Sunday, February 07, 2010

Aaqil Ahmed: The Church of England is ‘living in the past’

It appears to be open season on the Church of England: first came the Pope, then David Cameron, now the BBC...

The Corporation's new Head of Religion (and Ethics), Aaqil Ahmed, has accused the Established Church of 'living in the past'.

Cranmer has nothing to say, except to observe that if the BBC's Head of Religion (and Ethics) believes the Church of England - which is fully engaged with and bearing the costs of the debates surrounding gender equality and sexual orientation - is 'living in the past', he must be persuaded that the Roman Catholic Church is at the very least antediluvian.

And if the Roman Catholic Church is antediluvian, he must be of the opinion that Islam is positively Jurassic.

Why does he not say this?

Just wondering.


Anonymous Martin Sewell said...

One wonders if he might care to venture an opinion on the modernising successes of Islam?

7 February 2010 at 09:29  
Anonymous 被リンク said...

Martin, we have the same opinion.

7 February 2010 at 09:42  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

A muslim denigrating a Christian church, what a surprise. Why isn't anyone calling for him to be sacked?

7 February 2010 at 09:43  
Anonymous Stewart Cowan said...

From the LGBT History Month's ‘Tool Kit for Schools‘:

Assertions that normal people are white, able bodied, young, middle class, heterosexual, male and Christian are endemic in so-called western societies. This results in subtle or declared barriers that affect/disadvantage people on the grounds of prejudice against anyone outside the norm (with regard to gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, race, age, religion and belief, class and/or disability). Any disadvantage accrued by those ‘outside the norm’ is blamed on the person the ‘normal’ people see as ‘different’, that is, different from them or not ‘normal’.

7 February 2010 at 09:50  
Anonymous Kiwi said...

Christian churches, of all denominations, have come such a long,long way since their founding some 2,000 years ago. Whereas, Islam has not budged one iota in 1,400 years, as is not likely to in the foreseeable future. Mr Aaqil Ahmed should know that, and his comments are pure mischief. In any case, what is a Moslem doing heading up the BBC's department of Religion & Ethics. We're still a Christian majority country - and one would think the BBC, funded by the British public, would be obliged to represent that majority - this man, and those who hired him, should be removed immediately. Fat chance of that, another example of Britain on it's way to cultural suicide!

7 February 2010 at 10:09  
Blogger Bishop Alan Wilson said...

The particular "living in the past" being complained about (and slightly hammed up by the Telegraph) appears to be the awful anachronism of counting how many hours of religious programming the BBC put out 20 years ago and comparing it with the figure for today. But how are we supposed to know what the BBC is doing with our licence fee in any field of endeavour without such "living in the past?" Is it a purely intuitive thing?

The fact is Mr Ahmed's department seems to have been caught with its pants down, which nobody likes, and much as I understand that reaction and sympathise, I hope he will be taking some action to hoist his organisation's pants again. Then those of us who pay his salary will be happier bunnies.

7 February 2010 at 10:18  
Blogger John.D said...

When he says this, what he means is that Islam has now taken over - his remarks have nothing to do with the church's teachings, it's just that we now live in an Islamic nation and the church needs to wipe the sleep from its eyes and a bend to allah. Duh!

7 February 2010 at 10:21  
Blogger trencherbone said...

The BBC is totally dominated by Islam, even to the extent of imposing a total news blackout on the Geert Wilders Trial.

7 February 2010 at 10:32  
Blogger John.D said...


I have just been to your blog and read your post.

‘White Girl’ illustrated this attitude to the extent that the programme virtually became a parody of itself. It was a crude exercise in Da’wa, Dhimmitude and Taqiyya. It started with the inevitable ‘It’s grim oop north’ opening cliché and then went steadily, tediously and predictably downhill for the next 90 minutes."

You then go on to say:

The Northern English were portrayed as squalid, drunken, junk-food eating, smoking, gambling, child-abusing, sex-mad, illiterate, intolerant, wife-beating, drug-dealing chavs....

Unfortunately, in many instances it's hard to defend this.

I like what Norman Tebbit has to say today in the Telegraph:

It's time to close the door. Britain must move towards a policy of zero net immigration

Finally someone has said it!

7 February 2010 at 10:42  
Anonymous Northerner who escaped the North said...

"The Northern English were portrayed as squalid, drunken, junk-food eating, smoking, gambling, child-abusing, sex-mad, illiterate, intolerant, wife-beating, drug-dealing chavs...."

How true.....

7 February 2010 at 11:18  
Blogger Gnostic said...

More publicly funded, hubristic shite from the BBC. It's beyond parody...

7 February 2010 at 12:27  
Blogger Tory Totty Online said...

You really couldn't make it up!
I entirely agree with Gnostic - it's beyond parody.
I wonder, if I were to go and make such a comment about Islam on Al Jazeera, how long my head would remain on my shoulders!

7 February 2010 at 12:51  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Your Grace

you will recall that the Greeks before the fall of Constantinople said 'better the turban than the mitre'.

They got their wish.

Now that the BBC is going down the same path. So what will be next?

Prayer for the - day 5 times a day?

Songs of Praise - replaced by Hamd sung by Ca'at Stevens?

Poetry Please - replaced by Naat recited by Abu Hamza?

Strictly come nautsch dancing?
(This should bring the viewers in!)

7 February 2010 at 13:41  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

Mr Aaqil Ahmed said: ‘I think all the faiths should be treated in the same way. I don’t believe in treating any faith differently.’

In other words, there is no ultimate truth. All truth is relative. Of course that would leave Mr Ahmed vulnerable to challenge from all quarters - including his own position. But Mr Ahmed being the new type of Muslim (a Muslim without a chest) really believes in the BBC’s philosophy: the Absolutism of Moral Relativism.

He states, revealing his new found faith: "We'll listen to what they say [the Church], but we're clear that we know what we're doing and we'll stick to that."

Given that Ahmed holds to the relativistic position: how does he know what he is doing? In order, to know what one is doing, one needs fixed standards to judge decline and progress.

It is clear that he does not know what he is doing.

‘We all want progress, but if you are on the wrong road, progress means doing an about-turn and walking back to the right road; in that case, the man who turns back soonest is the most progressive.’ (C.S. Lewis 1898 - 1963)

Mr Ahmed could do no better than re-visit Lord Reith’s vision.

Broadcasting House was opened in 1932 by the Judaeo-Christian Sir John Reith, he unveiled a plaque on which the following words were inscribed:

'This Temple of the Arts and Muses is dedicated to Almighty God by the first Governors of Broadcasting in the year 1931, Sir John Reith being Director-General. It is their prayer that good seed sown may bring forth a good harvest, that all things hostile to peace and purity may be banished from this house, and that the people, inclining their ear to whatsoever things are beautiful and honest and of good report, may tread the path of wisdom and uprightness.'

7 February 2010 at 13:43  
Blogger Demetrius said...

All of us have lived in the immediate past, some of us for longer than others. Some of had contact with people born as long ago as the 1860's and they could recall earlier generations. Some of the past was bad, some of it was good and to have a degree of continuity can inform our thinking. Given how grim the future is looking at present perhaps we need more reference to the past to enable us to face its challenges.

7 February 2010 at 13:44  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Good post D Singh , Lord Rieth must be spinning in his grave .

Treating all faiths the same ! now where I have heard that before .

7 February 2010 at 14:35  
Blogger David said...

Now here is a chap who would know all about primitive, medieval desert religions!

7 February 2010 at 14:47  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Living in the past! From a person whose point of reference is a massive rock in the desert, and a religion founded by a 7th century war lord! Dumb.

7 February 2010 at 15:15  
Blogger srizals said...

Jurassic! Now I feel a little bit older than before, hope wiser if not much grumpier than old grumpy, definitely not like David, which seems to know more about medieval days at a desert far, far away from the land that burnt his grace on the stake for being himself.

7 February 2010 at 15:15  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

Thank you, Srizals, good to hear from you, too. Certainly I feel seriously grumpy about this. Could Mr Ahmed be persuaded to volunteer his august opinion on The Church of Rome, The Eastern Orthodox Churches, Judaism, and, as has been mentioned, Islam? Or is it simply that the CofE is such a soft target? Come along, BBC, let's see what we're getting for our license money....don't be shy.

7 February 2010 at 16:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was going to suggest this was like the pot calling the kettle black but we musn't offend the new state religion now must we!

7 February 2010 at 16:41  
Anonymous len said...

Living in the past maybe not such a bad thing nowadays.
I have seen vast changes in my lifetime not always for the best.

7 February 2010 at 16:57  
Anonymous Mike Stallard said...

I just wish people would stop treating islam as if it were Christianity.
If you believe that God has laid down a special law which you have to follow in detail if you want to avoid eternal damnation (cp St Paul), if you believe that Jesus was pretty unimportant as a prophet really (cp St John), and if you believe that Islam, (obedience to the Law of God), is the universal religion for everyone on earth which can, if necessary, be imposed by force of arms, then go for it!
Mulitculturalism cannot accept these truths. And the BBC is nothing if not popularist.

7 February 2010 at 17:43  
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7 February 2010 at 17:55  
Blogger adrian said...

All sadly predictable as we are shoehorned into the Caliphate by

The Euromed Agreement

7 February 2010 at 18:23  
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7 February 2010 at 19:07  
Blogger OldSouth said...

Personally, were I Anglican (and I'm not), I'd take this attempted insult from Mr. Ahmed as a compliment.

If our recent experience in Massachusetts has any lesson to offer, it is that enough voices speaking in concert can quickly change the cultural and political landscape.


7 February 2010 at 19:34  
Anonymous len said...

The BBC is insulated from the realities of life by the licence fee payers it holds in contempt.
It appears to be run by marxists, gays and liberals with a strong anti- Christian bias.
Appointing a muslim as head of religious programming can come as no surprise.
Perhaps it should be renamed The British Brainwashing Corporation?

7 February 2010 at 22:21  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...

The British Brainwashing Corporation?

But of course if it was brainwashing with good old christian "truths" that would be just all hunky dory now wouldn't it.

Meh, just means more shite on the idiot box I won't watch.

7 February 2010 at 23:53  
Anonymous len said...

What is truth Mr Glovner?
I guess it is whatever Mr Glovner decides it is?

If so your perception of truth is limited to whatever resides in your cranium.

8 February 2010 at 00:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe the truth is more truthful according to you len. But on what basis of comparison I wonder, of all our truth. The truth behind it I mean. Could it be just a misunderstanding or a grievious error of a sincere heart looking for the truth?

8 February 2010 at 05:27  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He was the final straw.

I no longer have the apparatus to watch TV, therefore under no obligation to pay for him, or indeed any of the political and PC social engineering propaganda that is infesting the programmes and adverts now.

I then wrote to them and told them why they can expect no more propaganda tax from me.

I really enjoyed writng that letter

8 February 2010 at 10:00  
Blogger Roger Pearse said...

It means nothing. All he is doing is issuing a coded demand for the Church to conform to the religious policies of the establishment as quickly as possible. That he is a moslem is merely a detail.

I wish I could believe that Call-me-Dave will purge the BBC of all these bigots.

8 February 2010 at 13:27  
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8 February 2010 at 18:40  
Anonymous len said...

Anon 05:27,

What is truth?
If I wanted to know the truth I would carefully examine what a person had said And see if it was based on fact.
The Bible has hundreds if not thousands of prophesies in it, lets examine some,

Jesus Christ fulfilled every prophecy written about the coming Messiah --- over three hundred of them! Would that have been possible had He not been the Son of God?

Here is a short listing of some of the hundreds of prophecies concerning Christ:

Linage Genesis 3:15; 9:26: 22:18; 26:4; 28:14; 49:10; 2 & Samuel 7:12-16

Son of God Psalm 2:6-7

Virgin birth Isaiah 7:14

Birthplace Micah 5:2

Piercing of side Zechariah 12:10

Darkness Psalm 22:2

Vinegar Psalm 69:21

Mocking Psalm 22:6-8

Nakedness Psalm 22:17

Gambling for clothes Psalm 22:18

Unbroken bones Psalm 34:20

Burial Isaiah 53:9

Resurrection Psalm 16:10; Hosea 6:2; Psalm 30:3,9; Isaiah 53:10

Assention to right hand of God Psalm 110:1; 68:18; Proverbs 30:4; 24:3-10

9 February 2010 at 00:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks Len, I will check them out.

9 February 2010 at 05:52  
Anonymous TheGlovner said...


"What is truth Mr Glovner?
I guess it is whatever Mr Glovner decides it is?

If so your perception of truth is limited to whatever resides in your cranium."

But that can't be true, after all you have already made it clear that the truth is your interpretation of what you read in a book about something that maybe happened 2000 years ago that nobody could prove. So whatever truth I may believe in could clearly not be correct.

12 February 2010 at 13:31  
Anonymous len said...

Mr Glovner, as I have said before if you are serious about finding the truth check out bible prophesy.
You will find bible prophesy could only have been written by someone who lived outside of time.There are literally hundreds of specific prophesies.

I will add( predicting your response)that there have been people like Nostradamus who have made predictions about events.Most of these are only fitted to an event in retrospect,Nostradamus`s reference to 'Hister' is somewhat puzzling,, but the devil is known to give 'lying signs'.

For man searching for truth with a fallen , carnal, corrupted, deceived mind is like searching for truth in a computer with corrupt data!

Truth can only come from a uncorrupted source = God. God gave us a record of His word so we could know the Truth.

Satan, known as 'the deceiver, the father of lies,who deceives the whole word,has woven a web of deception which so entangles and blinds people to the truth that truth can only burst through our false sense of reality with the help of the Holy Spirit and a revelation given by the Grace of God.

I pray with all sincerity that you and others will find the narrow path that leads to Life.

13 February 2010 at 09:56  
Blogger Oswin said...

My brave lads, get out your shields emblazoned with the red cross, for Outremer calls again!

Cry God for Harry/William, England and St.George!

14 February 2010 at 16:30  

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