Saturday, February 27, 2010

MPAC: ‘What type of idiot Muslim are you’?

It is axiomatic that one may mock one’s fellow countrymen: if an Irishman tells a joke about the Irish, it is funny; if a rabbi mocks Jews, it is hilarious; if a Pakistani refers to ‘Pakis’, it is certainly not racist. And so Muslims are at liberty to berate their co-religionists: to do so is neither insult nor prejudice.

The Muslim Public Affairs Committee (MPAC) sometimes comes out with utter rubbish, but more often than not, their observations are thoughtful and intelligent.

Consider this piece: ‘What type of idiot Muslim are you?

They say:

The problem with Muslims when it comes to election time is that they fall into three categories of idiot:

1) The 'I am an idiot and too lazy to vote' Muslim
2) The 'I am an idiot and always vote Labour no matter how they treat me afterwards' Muslim
3) The 'I am an idiot and think I will go to hell by voting against a war' Muslim.

After 10 years of teaching Muslims to vote intelligently and, better still, join all political parties to make a difference (not to mention being the first group to make this a national Muslim issue) we couldn’t help but hold our heads in our hands in despair when we read this report in the Guardian that the dumb Muslims are still as stupid as ever.

If you want to break the psychological chains that made your friends idiots, why not come to a local branch discussion in your local area and let us make you clever again?

MPACUK : Operation Muslim Vote coming soon to an area near you.

It is refreshing that a dedicated Muslim site is prepared to say something as forthright as ‘the dumb Muslims are as stupid as ever’, not, of course, because they believe that all Muslims are dumb and stupid (presumably, they at least exempt themselves), but because it is the considered view of MPAC that the herd mentality and traditional tribal loyalties are proving insurmountable obstacles to religio-political enlightenment.

The Guardian piece which so grieved them was concerned with the Theos/ComRes research which showed that Muslims are attracted to Labour like a moth to a flame, Pooh Bear to honey, or (considering the perverted essence of the present Government) blue-bottles to faeces. Even when the moth has been singed (Iraq, Afghanistan), the bear made sick with sweetness (Tony Blair’s love-in with George Bush) or the flies gorged on a surfeit of excrement (rafts of ‘anti-terror’ legislation), the ‘dumb’ and ‘stupid’ Muslims just will not do what MPAC believe they should.

The Theos/ComRes poll established that if there were a general election tomorrow, 35 per cent of voting Muslims (meaning those Muslims who claim they are more likely than not to vote) would vote Labour. This compares with 22 per cent of voting Christians and 23 per cent of the entire voting population. By comparison, whereas 30 per cent of the voting population would tick the Conservative box, only 13 per cent of voting Muslims would do so.

Astonishingly, 49 per cent of Muslims claim they feel that the Labour party has been most friendly towards the Muslim faith over recent years, compared with 6 per cent who think that the Conservatives have been.

Or perhaps it is not so astonishing, since ‘over recent years’ the Conservatives have not been in a position to be ‘friendly’ in ways that many Muslims might like, especially with regard to foreign policy.

And so MPAC despair that ‘Labour appears to remain the natural home for British Muslims’.

The mistake, of course, is to presume that Muslims vote a particular way because they are Muslim. There are demographic and socio-economic reasons which might explain their voting intentions, as the The Guardian observes: ‘British Muslims are disproportionately younger and more urban. They come from lower-income households and experience higher levels of unemployment. These factors traditionally edge voters to the left.’

If Muslims vote Labour because they are young, urban, poor or unemployed rather than because they are Muslim, ‘it would mean that attempts to court the Muslim vote, or even engage with the Muslim community, are misguided’.

And when one reads the self-righteous waffle of Inayat Bunglawala, one may see the wisdom of this observation.

In another Guardian piece (about which MPAC have been uncharacteristically silent), Mr Bunglawala, who is the media secretary of the Muslim Council of Britain, berates David Cameron and the Conservative Party for failing to attend their ‘gala dinner’.

He reminds us that the MCB is ‘the UK's largest Islamic umbrella body’, and points out that Labour sent the Justice Secretary, Jack Straw and the Communities Secretary, John Denham. And the Liberal Democrats sent their party leader, no less, Nick Clegg.

But he bemoans the fact that ‘no frontbencher from the Conservative party deemed it worthwhile attending this event, which brought together more than 400 key figures from the UK's diverse Muslim communities’.

He then reasons why they should have done:

‘The Theos research appears to confirm that UK Muslim support for Labour is on the increase once again after a torrid few years under the Blairite former cabinet ministers Ruth Kelly and her successor at the Communities and Local Government (CLG) department, Hazel Blears.’

Actually, Hazel Blears (rightly) severed links with the MCB following the revelation that Dr Daud Abdullah, the organisation’s deputy secretary-general, advocated attacks on British armed forces (specifically the Royal Navy) if they attempted to halt arms intended for Hamas being smuggled into Gaza. Dr Abdullah put his name to the ‘Istanbul Declaration’ along with 90 other Muslim leaders, because he supports the right of the Palestinian people ‘to resist the ongoing illegal and brutal occupation of their land’. The declaration includes the statement that ‘foreign warships in Muslim waters, claiming to control the borders and prevent the smuggling of arms to Gaza’ was a declaration of war.

The ‘torrid few years’ to which Mr Bunglawala refers were as a result of Labour’s refusal to do business with an organisation which advocates betrayal and treason.

The Conservative Party is not interested in associating with those who reject parliamentary democracy, dismiss the rule of law and promote intolerance and discrimination on the basis of race, faith, ethnicity, gender or sexuality. The Conservative Party is not interested in being as popular as John Denham (who, along with Robin Cook, resigned over the Iraq war) if that popularity comes at the expense of national security.

Apparently, at the gala dinner, Mr Denham made it clear that ‘the government no longer wishes all UK Muslims to be viewed through the prism of terrorism and the security threat’.

The Conservative Party never has and never would do this: to do so would be akin to viewing all Roman Catholics through the prism of Gerry Adams’ blood-stained spectacles.

The Conservative Party is as concerned with jobs, housing and education as any Muslim; it is as alarmed by family breakdown and the pervasive lack of respect for authority and tradition as any Muslim; it is as disturbed by poverty and prejudice as any Muslim; it is as motivated towards self-improvement and social advancement as any Muslim.

That is why Muslims would find a natural political home within the Conservative family.

So when Inayat Bunglawala rebukes the Conservatives for a ‘needlessly offensive snub’, he might consider that the MCB is a self-appointed, self-perpetuating, self-important and self-indulgent organisation which no more speaks for the ‘Muslim community’ of Great Britain than Stephen Green speaks the 'Christian Voice’ for all Christians; it is the MCB which continually snubs the foundations of our liberal democracy; and it is Inayat Bunglawala who offends by perpetually falling into MPAC’s second category of Muslim idiot.


Anonymous TheGlovner said...

Completely unrelated topic.

But it appears that one of your February articles has dropped off the edge into the cyber ether.

27 February 2010 at 11:33  
Blogger Gnostic said...

If this is true, Your Grace, at least we'll be spared the embarassment of seeing Cameron hug a jihadi when he finally works out why his popularity struck an iceberg...

27 February 2010 at 12:27  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Or indeed IF he works it out...

27 February 2010 at 12:30  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

It makes me laugh when you try to sometimes spout the line that not all Muslims are radical, and then you berate them because they have had their fingers burnt over Iraq and Afghanistan and still support Labour. Iraq and Afghanistan are about fighting radical Muslims? So what you seem to be suggesting is that all Muslims are against the two wars, which would indicate that they support the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, and Saddam's reign of terror, which would make them all radical Muslims.

It just doesn't wash really, and they are not as daft as you seem to think they are. Insulting people is the new Tory way forward is it? They have basically got the measure of the Tories because they are not raised on the usual diet of soap operas and cheap newspapers like we can be, which makes them less susceptible to spin and propaganda. They know full well what to expect from a Tory Government,,,,as do I.

27 February 2010 at 12:37  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Jared Gaites,

Unless you are being purposely obtuse, your contribution appears inexplicable for it bears no relation at all to His Grace's post.

27 February 2010 at 12:44  
Blogger Ivan said...

Muslims know instinctively that the Left works for them. It doesn't matter to them if the Left supports homosexuality, and undermines the family at every turn, for they correctly perceive that it is the Christians who are most affected by it. In their communities they have the mullahs, the in-laws and toughs to keep everything in check. The are content to let Labour to do its utmost. After all a confident Christian populace able to call them to account, is the last thing any sensible Muslims would want.

27 February 2010 at 13:16  
Anonymous Jewish Bag Lady said...

wouldn't listen to Jared Gaites, he has a picture of the UK on his website, which has the labour and conservative party slogans. Underneath there are 2 turds. The Tory turd is bigger. There is a caption, before and after.

Given this incredible intelligent view of politics on his own site,I would suggest readers switch off to his post on this one.

27 February 2010 at 13:18  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

In fairness to His Grace, I was being obtuse/mischievous. Now I will tell you what I really think.

Labour's plan (Neather) to replace the core voter block with immigrants is now paying dividends. What do you think is attracting Muslims to Labour? FREE HANDOUTS!

Of course they have had their fingers burnt over Iraq and Afghanistan, and of course they are pissed off about Tony Blair and George bush, but they know full well which side their bread is buttered. The Tories are now stuck between a rock and a hard place, and it is largely their own fault. All the time while Labour have been plotting and scheming, the Tories have been busy doing nothing. They have been no kind of opposition to any of it. And this is the crux of what is pissing people off at the moment. You would think that by now everyone would be falling over themselves to vote Conservative, but there is nothing of any significant difference to vote for. This new slogan "vote for change" is an absolute joke! It is fooling nobody. We seem to be in the same position as the USA was last year. We have the joke party or much of the same.

Nice try I suppose but you will never get immigrants to vote Tory, why the hell do you think they are here?

27 February 2010 at 13:21  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

Jewish bag idiot

Thank you for the traffic!

27 February 2010 at 13:21  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

Here you are, straight from the horse's mouth: Nick Griffin is Right.

(I vote UKIP not BNP just to clarify)

27 February 2010 at 13:29  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Most Muslims in the UK are from Kashmir or Pakistan. The Labour Government created Pakistan in 1947....

27 February 2010 at 13:36  
Anonymous Jewish Bag Lady said...

Jared Gaites, how well you show yourself up. I suppose the politics of the gutter must lead to a sewer somewhere.

27 February 2010 at 13:42  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

Jewish bag idiot

I am blushing with shame!

27 February 2010 at 13:51  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Cranny, I think your moderators should enforce some basic courtesy amongst posters. Repeated references to other correspondents as idiots (I'm not talking about 'idiot Muslims') do nothing to advance discourse, cheapening and lowering the tone of the conversation to that of playground insults.

Even members of the House of Commons are not allowed to call each other such names.

27 February 2010 at 14:12  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

The mistake, of course, is to presume that Muslims vote a particular way because they are Muslim.

Last year, a group of American apostates from Islam established an organization called Former Muslims United. The Washington Times recently reported a meeting the group held on Capitol Hill:

❛[Amil] Imani and the panel's two other speakers, authors Nonie Darwish and Wafa Sultan, told the audience that ingrained American religious and ethnic tolerance and myths about Islam are combining to gravely threaten the West.
Westerners ‘don’t want to judge anybody based on their [religion],’ Sultan said, ‘[But] Islam is not a religion. Islam is a very dangerous political ideology…There is no such thing as radical Islam and regular Islam or spiritual Islam...There is only one Islam.’❜

I’d suggest to Your Grace that Muslims in Britain will use whichever political party treats them best until they have sufficient numbers to warrant establishing their own party or parties, whereupon the excrement will truly hit the fan.

27 February 2010 at 14:24  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

"Cranny", lowering conversation, playground.

What a pillock!

27 February 2010 at 14:26  
Blogger Kenpachi said...

I second Mr. Rottenborough's sentiments.

Most of the Muslims living in the U.K. who follow any of the mainstream sects of Islam, in any serious way, will vote for whichever party is least resistant to their plans for a future Islamic state in Britain.

27 February 2010 at 14:37  
Blogger Kenpachi said...

And of course in Labour's case in particular they have a party which offers no resistance at all, but which is rather complict and abjectly Dhimmi.

27 February 2010 at 14:40  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

Your Grace, I agree with Mr Anabaptist, there is room for discourse, but not at the point of cheap insults. The particular poster who has been banding around insults deserves no attention.

27 February 2010 at 16:15  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

Lord Lavatory

What ever it is that I am doing is getting me more attention than the proverbial Soft Mick.

27 February 2010 at 16:37  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

I will, at this point, interject by saying that my initial comments were on thread, and since then, all I am doing is defending myself aginst an attempt to shut me up. If I deserve no attention, then please will you shut up harping on and say something on topic.

27 February 2010 at 16:40  
Anonymous Lucifer said...

My new pupil is doing well.....

27 February 2010 at 17:03  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Didn't George Osborne's younger brother, Adam, recently convert to Islam prior to marrying a muslim woman? (He of the 'fiddled' prescriptions?) Perhaps it is an attempt to infiltrate the Tory Party at another level other than Your Grace's own suggestion?

27 February 2010 at 18:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Islam is not in Britain to learn how to vote. Not believing the burden Allah lays on his adherents is fine for non Muslims but all good Muslims are aware. Has his Grace actually not made serious inquiry into the dark poetry of the Qur'an? Ignorance in this circumstance is far short of blissful, it is fatal. The Conservatives will cater to and coddle any block of Muslim voters it can. You cannot vote your way out of the cultural pit that Britain has dug for itself and denying Islams mandate to consume its host has no validity if you understand Islam. Darkness comes your Grace and politics has little to offer to cure Britains tumors.


27 February 2010 at 22:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Labour party infiltrated and subverted

28 February 2010 at 01:14  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

Would the mcb also uphold my right to resist the forces occupying my country?The muslims are only interested in muslim power,in whatever way it takes to achieve it,they are not democrats,they will support any-one who advances thier agenda,they are not immigrants,they are an occupying army,they come here not for a better life,but to rule,we are at war,we have been since islams inception and they will continue to wage it until they destroy us ,or we destroy them.

28 February 2010 at 09:45  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

I'm sorry YG but most of these 'Muslims' shouldn't even have the vote. That precious right of Citizenship to this ancient Nation is given away far too cheaply. For people that are basically foreign to this country and our values to be able to influence the outcome of the leadership is wrong.

28 February 2010 at 10:51  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Maturecheese,

Your unreasoned assertion shames you and exposes your irrational intolerance. A Musliom may be British and patriotic and very many are. But doubtless you would not even befriend one.

28 February 2010 at 11:10  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Your Grace, I do not contradict you; but I would suggest that whereas a muslim may well be British, and indeed patriotic; the entity known as a 'British Muslim' cannot be either of those things...British first, second and third, and be damned to any other consideration! Semantics are sometimes important.

28 February 2010 at 16:33  

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