Saturday, March 06, 2010

Geert Wilders interviewed on Newsnight

A combative performance.

But for all of Cranmer's communicants who jumped down his throat when he said some months ago that Mr Wilders wanted to ban the Qur'an outright, this interview puts paid to the lie that there were conditions, or that he was simply equating the proposal with the Dutch prohibition on Mein Kampf.


Anonymous DB said...

Is that how it appeared on Newsnight? The editing is so clunking it's like a spoof.

6 March 2010 at 17:30  
Anonymous Shaun Pilkington said...

I'd vote for him! Refusing to be tolerant of the religiously-inspired intolerant in order to say the tolerance of a nation - its light years ahead of the sectional pandering we get here!

6 March 2010 at 17:48  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Imagine a secular organization with a rule book that instructed its members to kill those who refused to join the organization (Qur’an 2:191) and to enslave Jews and Christians (9:29); a rule book that recognized marriage to prepubescent girls (65:4) and saw women as inferior beings who should suffer physical violence (4:34).

I rather think that the organization would be banned and those who ran it would be imprisoned.

Why, then, is Islam—with its rule book—allowed to flourish? Why do the Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat parties praise Islam? Why are those few politicians who speak out against Islam described as extreme? Why is Nick Griffin ‘filth’ to David Cameron and a ‘fascist’ to His Grace?

So many questions. One day, we may learn the answers.

6 March 2010 at 19:09  
Blogger OldSouth said...

His advocacy of banning the Koran can, in its own way, be understood, but fortunately, would be completely counterproductive. The best way to promote a book is to have it banned by the government.

Just as he has gained a huge platform for his views by being barred from entrance to the UK!

I read his speech to Lords, and posted a bit of it. He argues passionately for free speech, that is increasingly in danger of being suppressed by a strange alliance between Islamists and the political Left.

Compare what he has to say with the rantings of both the Islamists and the Left, who both seem to desire the death of the West.

Should the Koran be banned? No!!

Should this man be given a hearing, even if not completely embraced?


6 March 2010 at 19:32  
Blogger Frugal Dougal said...

I'm with OldSouth. Move over van Rompuy, Wilders for president!

6 March 2010 at 19:40  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

Why ban a rather amusing work of fiction? It's not the books fault that millions of loons want to follow it down to the last letter. But on the other hand, it does no harm to counter the loonss with a bit of Double Dutch. Hail Wilders!

6 March 2010 at 19:55  
Blogger Tommy 3 Lions said...

If only England had a politician like Geert with some good old fashioned backbone.

6 March 2010 at 20:09  
Blogger Alcuin said...

this interview puts paid to the lie that there were conditions, or that he was simply equating the proposal with the Dutch prohibition on Mein Kampf.

I am not entirely sure what His Grace means by this. Doe he aver that Wilders wants to ban the Koran, even if other books are not banned? I did not get that message from the interview, and he has stated in the past that his position is if we are to ban books on the grounds of incitement to violence, the we should ban both Mein Kampf and the Koran. The reasons for the ban on Mein Kampf are historical and was a visceral reaction to what the Dutch had suffered in WW2. Wilders did also say that he did not agree with banning any books.

I believe this remains his position (regardless of picking apart exactly what he said on Newsnight), and I believe that incitement to violence is a crime in both Britain and the Netherlands. You could take the position that the Koran may stay, but that anyone quoting a violent passage from it should be prosecuted, I suppose, but therein lies much legal difficulty.

6 March 2010 at 20:17  
Anonymous A. Moeba said...

If the Koran is banned, then what will happen to the ones already printed?

May I appeal to Your Grace's communicants to ensure that these surplus korans should not be used as a substitute for paper designed for the purpose. For a start they are not as soft and absorbant, but more seriously flushing them down the toilet may damage community cohesion.

That's why I and other members of our diverse community wish to denounce in the strongest possible terms the practice of flushing Korans down the toilet, as started by a certain Mr Stanislav Shmulevich [see ]

These Islamophobes think they are making a political or religious statement in sending this book into the sewers, but do they realise just what harm they're doing? Where do they think these soggy, smelly Korans go to? They don't just harmlessly dissappear, I can tell you!

I am a member of a diverse community of single celled organisms who work in the activitated sludge at a sewage treatment plant. Our community is composed of bacteria, amoebae, Spirotrichs, Peritrichs, Vorticellids etc who were all working happily side by side to process human wastes and render them harmless, until all this Koran-flushing business started.

Between us, we microbes can biodegrade any normal pee or poo. But these Korans have got us beat. They are toxic supershi'ite. We've never seen crap like it, not even the stuff that comes out of the toilets in government offices.

What's worse is the danger of the development of militant cells. As you are no doubt all aware, if the Koran comes into contact with certain low and primitive life-forms it can turn them into virulent killers. I'm afraid this could happen to some members of our previously well-integrated microbial community. I and my fellow protozoans have got more sense than to be affected by this crap, but some of the previously harmless bacteria could turn pathogenic and escape from the sewage treatment plant to cause havoc. That's why flushing the koran is such a serious hate-crime.

So next time you're tempted to wipe your botty on Sura 5:33, spare a thought for all of us at the other end of the sewer. There are alternative environmentally acceptable ways to dispose of unwanted korans. Have you thought of using the pages as beer-mats, or as kitchen towels to absorb the excess fat from your fried bacon?

6 March 2010 at 20:22  
Blogger haddock said...

If only England had a politician like Geert with some good old fashioned backbone.

Lord Pearson is a politician, the leader of UKIP, it was he who invited Mr Wilders here to show the film.
I think Lord P has the backbone, and I believe him to be good and he is certainly a bit old-fashioned.....

6 March 2010 at 20:38  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

Mr Haddock

I like Lord Pearson, very much, I have a lot of respect for him and I believe we need UKIP in order to balance the whole situation. I also like Lord Monkton, I find him very refreshing and a little pleasantly eccentric. However, I am now at the point where I shit myself at the idea of Labour regaining control over my life and loves. I am not a lover of the Tories but I see no other way of removing this shower of bollocks other than a Tory win.

Dave made a good speech to the Welsh Conference, there was meat on the bone at last; some tangible policy that could actually work. I feel stuck between a rock and a hard place to be honest, but when it comes to the crunch, my main anxiety is to shed the snakes skin ASAP! I don't see how I will regret my decision because there is no other way around it at this time.

Having said all of this, I am a firm believer that UKIP has a real place in our politics, so it is a very difficult situation indeed.

6 March 2010 at 20:55  
Blogger Little Black Sambo said...

@Jared: David Cameron could so simply ensure that true conservatives would vote for him, so why doesn't he?
If he does badly in the election it will be entirely his own fault.

6 March 2010 at 21:10  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ A. Moeba (20:22)—There’s another use for surplus copies of the Qur’an. Marooned in his dingy lodging-house in Boulogne, Cranmer finds that his mitres (which he makes from Corn Flake packets) soon disintegrate in the sea air. A few thousand pages of the Qur’an, reduced to papier mâché, would make a set of the sturdiest mitres, ready to be decorated in liturgical colours.

6 March 2010 at 21:26  
Blogger English Viking said...

What a most impressive man. Eloquent, polite, incisive.

Perhaps the day will come again when we are led by people like him, instead of the PC dross that interviewed him.

Then again, perhaps we will carry on with the insane process of Islamisation and disappear up own backsides.

God Bless Wilders.

6 March 2010 at 21:28  
Blogger ultramontane grumpy old catholic said...

Your Grace

Geert Wilders comes across as honest and direct speaking. How different, how very very different from our own political class.

The interviewer went through her standard liberal list of objections. We have heard them so often before. I fell to thinking how much does this woman earn?

By the way, slightly off topic, I listened to the farce of the DG of the BBC being interviewed on the Today programme by John Humphries earlier this week. Of course Humphries was ever so incisive in his questioning. But it had still the element of unreality. After all isn't the DG his boss? I can imagine that afterwards they sat down together and congratulated each other on how well it all went.

6 March 2010 at 22:41  
Blogger King Athelstan said...

No wonder Jackboots tried to ban Geert Wilders from entering Britain. He speaks English better than most of our MP's, he can also argue his corner intelligently, without resorting to swivel-eyed hysteria and stops the interviewer from setting the agenda or leading the interview up an irrelevant cul-de-sac.

6 March 2010 at 23:26  
Blogger King Athelstan said...

True He's no filmmaker though.

6 March 2010 at 23:27  
Anonymous Jeff said...

As it turned out, those Jews who suppressed the Torah and Talmud and underwent drastic embourgeoisement became even more vulnerable to malign prejudice in post-Enlightenment Europe's secular nation-states. The persecution of Alfred Dreyfus in France convinced Theodore Herzl, the creator of modern Zionism, that "the Jew who tries to adapt himself to his environment, to speak its languages, to think its thoughts" would remain a potentially treacherous "alien" in the secular west. Reporting in the 1920s on Jewish communities exposed to a particularly vicious recrudescence of antisemitism, the novelist Joseph Roth denounced assimilation as a dangerous illusion, blaming its failure on the "habitual bias that governs the actions, decisions, and opinions of the average western European".

Roth, who trusted Europe's old "fear of God" more than its "so-called modern humanism", bluntly questioned the "civilising missions" of European empires in Asia and Africa in a preface he wrote to his book in 1937: "What is it," he asked, "that allows European states to go spreading civilisation and ethics in foreign parts but not at home?" Joan Wallach Scott's account of France's colonial history reveals that violent prejudice against religious and racial "others" was also an intrinsic part of spreading European civilisation and ethics abroad. The veil, fixed in the 19th century by the French as a symbol of Islam's primitive backwardness, was used to justify the brutal pacification of north African Muslims and to exclude them from full citizenship. Geoffrey Brahm Levey and Tariq Modood, the editors of Secularism, Religion and Multicultural Citizenship, write: "How Muslims are perceived today is connected to how they have been perceived and treated by European empires and their racial hierarchies."

7 March 2010 at 00:08  
Anonymous Happyness Stan said...

Why ban a rather amusing work of fiction? It's not the books fault that millions of loons want to follow it down to the last letter.

I agree. Banning things especially books is a dangerous road to even think about travelling, not at all practical, and usually highly counter-productive.

The laws regarding incitement to violence, is where it is at, and where it should stay.

Books written hundreds of years ago, are far more about history, redundant propaganda, or indeed fiction as they are about direct incitement to violence, and therefore should left well alone.


Europe is being set up by the exact same establishment owning powers that well and truly set it up for a VERY big fall back in the 1920's to 1940's. Have these people not learnt any new tricks since then?

While we have been set up to squabble amongst ourselves, some people some where are having a laugh, preparing the camps, and counting their perfectly gigantic potential profits.

If this Dutch chap is being wholly honest, then good for him, but he is still a dangerous fool, especially regarding the issue of banning the Koran.

The only message worth giving to anyone is that of LOVE. We do not need deliberately created division leading inevitably to blood on our streets.

For surly it is clear that we have an ever growing amount of Muslims in European countries wholly because of careful DESIGN, not at all because of any type of accident.

Therefore the best way to resist the powers of darkness is to first find them, and then challenge them.

The DEVIL moves in mysterious ways, but ALWAYS functions best working from the HIGHEST of high places.

Find, and identify these very high places and you will swiftly know for absolute certain who is behind just about everything. Including just about everything you can not possibly make any logical sense of any other way, and do not at all like.

Also please remember that power from, and at the top extends world-wide, and that includes many if not all Islamic countries as much as it does Christian, Jewish or Hindu ones.

7 March 2010 at 00:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The editing was terrible, no doubt they were only trying to show parts of the interview where Geert was under the most pressure.

I hope there is another Wilders in the Wind on our shores.

Your Grace,

Mein Kampf is banned in The Netherlands because of it's past and because of it's ability to incite violence. Wilders said he does not like to ban books but that is the red line of free speach so I believe he is being consistent with Dutch law in this matter.

7 March 2010 at 01:18  
Anonymous william Wallace said...

Banning the Koran is unworkable and silly.

Two years hence Wilders will either be in political limbo or will have compromised.

7 March 2010 at 02:08  
Anonymous no nonny said...

I thought he came across very well. I'd vote for him too.

It's the interviewer I'm ashamed of - what a hate-filled, aggressive, rude contrast she is to him. No amount of gold paint can hide it!

7 March 2010 at 03:18  
Anonymous philip walling said...

You can't win with the BBC if you try to say something or be something the left/liberal establishment disagrees with you don't get a fair hearing.
She's very seductive, Emily Maitliss, but very dangerous, rather like a Mossad honeytrap.

Just one point, I don't think any books should be banned; it gives them too much importance. If they banned Mein Kampf they should have banned the Communist Manifesto, but what would be the point? To ban them makes them attractive because of the ban. Few people are influenced to change their behaviour by books. Most of the people who might be fellow travellers with those who cause trouble in Britain can barely read anyway.

No, it's the liberal ban on laughing at Islam and forcing us to take it seriously that gives it most power. If it was subject to the kind of self-hating onslaught that has been directed at Christianity over the last century (and gaining momentum) it wouldn't be taken seriously at all. The response of the strain of Islam we are dealing with at the moment to criticism and satire? Violence, vicious cruelty and a puritanical frenzy of desire to kill - its adherents (as suicide bombers) and its opponents (with suicide bombers).

Gert Wilders is brave and right (except banning) and is cruelly undermined by many in his own nation (and ours) yet he feels compelled to keep on trying to save us from the consequences of our own folly.

7 March 2010 at 10:19  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The interviewer went through her standard liberal list of objections. We have heard them so often before. I fell to thinking how much does this woman earn?

Oh, you mean Emily Maitlis, daughter of Prof Peter Maitlis, married to a Banker and described on Wikipedia as Ethnicity British Zionist

Can't imagine she checks what people have posted about her on Wikipedia......still she still has a job at the BBC

7 March 2010 at 10:27  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

I don't think Wilders really wants the Koran to be banned. I think he wants to point out the ridiculous, contradictory, repressive notion of having laws intended to prevent freedom of expression on the grounds of stirring up hatred or violence, whilst at the same time allowing the Koran to be published. He is deploying reductio ad absurdum.

@Mr Jared Gaites: I understand your pain, but I think you should vote for the people and ideas you believe in, rather than trying to take part in electoral tactics. Every person who wants UKIP, but votes Tory, is helping to diminish UKIP's confidence for the future.

Furthermore, there is little evidence that Cameron's Conservatives will give us anything substantially different from Brown. And why shouldn't Labour be left to clear up the mess they have created?

7 March 2010 at 12:30  
Anonymous Atlas Shrugged said...

Oh, you mean Emily Maitlis, daughter of Prof Peter Maitlis, married to a Banker and described on Wikipedia as Ethnicity British Zionist.

Then good for Wikipedia, the truth will out.

The BBC is Orwellian double-speak in overdrive.

The BBC does its best to hide its covert Zionism, by constantly attributing Zionism with the actions of the State of Israel and this socialist State solely to Jews or Judaism.

The BBC is a ZIONIST organisation, and always has been from its very conception. Not only this it has always been overtly and covertly run and controlled by Zionists.

Zionists are sometimes ethnic Jews, but are far more often devout Roman Catholics, or indeed members of Jesuit Orders.

What is more this country is run and controlled by Zionists and wholly committed to Zionism. The Jewish people who reside in the State of Israel are now what they have always been. Which are helplessly small and highly expendable pawn sized pieces, being utterly used in a very nasty game of world sized chess. As are of course The Arabs in the region, and also all of us.

7 March 2010 at 13:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you want to mention sick, disgusting, murderous religious texts, you could do no better than to refer to the Bible. Glass houses is the phrase that applies here [and so many more than this] -
If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down.'

Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." [The child dies seven days later.]
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.

7 March 2010 at 14:47  
Anonymous Septimus said...

What's all this crap! I have news for you anonymous.Christians follow the new testament.

7 March 2010 at 15:20  
Anonymous Atlas Shrugged said...

And why shouldn't Labour be left to clear up the mess they have created?

Good point.

However, can we wait another 5 years?

I think not. We don't have another 5 years of pretend democracy left. Some may rightly argue we no longer even have pretend democracy.

Which why we should at least give Cameron's lot a chance. If for no other reason but to punish wrong doers as best we can, and to answer certain other questions.

Like for example.

Is there such a thing as a useful but small degree of British or indeed European democracy still remaining?


We need as a people ( which means so called left, as well as so called right ) to unite at least in some part against our own establishment.

This will plainly not take place during an establishments Labour Government. Who self-evidently have the forces of protest well and truly in their pockets, and wholly under their command, as per usual. As well as the entire main stream press, The BBC and SKY TV, whether this seems an obvious fact, or not.

The Establishments Conservative Party have never had this degree of control over the minds and therefore actions of the people as a whole. Which goes a long way in explaining the main reason why the establishment as well as the Queen of England have always much favoured Labour PM's and their governments to Conservative ones.

Which also goes a long way in explaining why socialists are very good at talking the anti-establishment talk, especially when in opposition. With absolutely no possible intention of, or indeed power to, even start to walk the anti-establishment walk.

7 March 2010 at 15:25  
Anonymous not a machine said...

I just hope the socialists that created this mess , realise what they have done .

7 March 2010 at 16:47  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

Houston we have consensus! I am almost disappointed! The fans of multiculturalism have tried to attach the far right label to Wilders but it just doesn’t stick His ban from entering the UK last year was an outrage perpetrated by a supine government that kowtows to all religions but especially Islam.

I agree with his description of the threat from Islam and most of his responses too it, except as others have said, banning the Koran. We must not be afraid to assert our values and their superiority over the totalitarianism inherent in Islam. However this is where I part company with many here as I regard those values as essentially secular. I acknowledge that they were forged during a millennia when Christianity held sway in these islands but its roots lay in humanism as well as the particular character of the British people. Secularism is the bulwark against all religious interference in the state. Islam with its morality of the dark ages embodied in Sharia may be at the extreme but the church of Rome comes a close second with its intolerance towards gays and its utterly immoral policies on contraception.

8 March 2010 at 09:43  
Anonymous len said...

Since the power behind Islam is a spiritual one secularists are not only blind to the true nature of Islam but impotent as well as regards resistance to Islam.
Secularism is not the bulwark but rather the gateway to Islam .By rejecting God you( secularists) have created a spiritual vacuum that hostile spiritual forces are eager to fill.

9 March 2010 at 23:25  

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