Thursday, April 01, 2010

Gordon Brown: Roman Catholics are the 'conscience of the nation'

Cranmer was about to retire, but this was flagged up from The Guardian.

It is quoted verbatim, and merits a damned good fisking. But it is rather late, and His Grace's ashes are in need of repose.

Enjoy (or not):

Gordon Brown has praised Catholicism for often being the "conscience of the nation" as the three party leaders addressed faith in the runup to the general election.

In interviews for a new magazine, Faith Today, Brown uses the religious language of his upbringing to describe his government as the "good Samaritan" who will not "pass by on the other side".

The magazine asked the party leaders how their policies would benefit the common good as the Catholic church issued a guide to principles that should inform its 5 million followers in Britain when voting.

The Catholic bishops' conference of England and Wales this week published a list of questions for the UK's Catholics to put to candidates, including advice that Catholics should vote for a party that will serve more than just them individually.

The conference also said voters should ask candidates how their policies would benefit marriage, a recommendation that could end up helping the Tories.

In Faith Today's questionnaire, David Cameron repeats his commitment to marriage but stops short of mentioning recognising it in the tax system. He says: "I back marriage and I believe that rewarding and encouraging commitment has such a key part to play in mending our broken society."

Brown says: "Getting married has certainly made a massive difference to my own life. So I am committed to giving support for family finances and having the right policies for work-life balance that make it easier for couples to have a rich family life."

Asked if religious faith is essentially "a private, personal pursuit" or has a role in the wider community, he says: "Our common realm is not and cannot be stripped of values – I absolutely reject the idea that religion should somehow be tolerated but not encouraged in public life. Our equality bill is specifically designed to protect religion and belief on exactly the same terms as race or gender or sexuality.

"I welcome the role that people of faith play in building Britain's future – and the Catholic communion in particular is to be congratulated for so often being the conscience of our country, for helping 'the least of these' even when bearing witness to the truth is hard or unpopular."

The Liberal Democrats' Nick Clegg, who has said he does not believe in God, says: "I do believe in the separation of church and state – but that doesn't mean keeping faith out of public life. People of faith have an extremely valuable contribution to make to public debate and often challenge our consciences on a whole host of issues."

The three party leaders also state their priorities should they win power. Cameron says his first priority is a "new strategy" for Afghanistan alongside "cutting public spending in a fair and reasonable way"; Brown says the economy; and Clegg says a fairer tax system.

After all that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown have done for Christian liberties and the historic foundation of the nation, if Roman Catholics fall for this, we risk another five years of purgatory. There will be no redemption. The 'conscience of the nation' indeed. It makes His Grace want to vomit.


Blogger UKViewer said...

Sadly, GB seems to believe his own hype.

This government has done more to divide the country than any before in history.

It is so far removed from life, that it might as well be on another planet.

1 April 2010 at 23:03  
Blogger English Viking said...

Isaiah 29 v 13 KJV

'Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:'

That a Son of the Manse (Presbyterian) should honour the Papists (Catholics) is beyond ridiculous, especially when one considers the anti-Christian agenda so vigorously pursued by this drug addled, lying, thieving, deceiving, illegitimate PM.

Am I clear?

1 April 2010 at 23:27  
Anonymous The recusant said...

And yet no doubt you will return to it!

1 April 2010 at 23:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh dear, I could see why this would rankle. It does sound very clunky though, and more than a little contrived. I'd be more inclined to see this as a crude attempt at reaching out to a certain voting constituency, though, rather than any great pronouncement on the relevance, or otherwise, of the Established Church.

1 April 2010 at 23:43  
Anonymous not a machine said...

How would a compulsive liar know about concience of the nation ?

2 April 2010 at 00:17  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

The Catholic bishops' conference of England and Wales this week published a list of questions for the UK's Catholics to put to candidates, including advice that Catholics should vote for a party that will serve more than just them individually.

This is not only a stupid proposition it is a highly dangerous one for many reasons.

For if it is hard enough to decide what is always in ones own interests, it is virtually impossible to decide or even have a useful clue what is in the interests of others.

Therefore when one is instructed to do so there is a vacuum of understanding that is then filled by completely self-interested elements that entirely control the media, politicians, and other assorted priesthoods.

On the positive side people do in fact almost always vote for what they perceive to be their own personal best interests anyway.

At least 40% of the population is now significantly dependant on ever bigger and more intrusive government hand outs. Which is essential good news for government in general and the Labour, and The Illiberal/Anti-Democrat Party's in particular. If this were not the case it would be impossible for these two to count on notably more then 10% of the vote between them. Which would of course approximately equate to the actual amount of real authoritarians that inhabit these Islands.

Many of which would be people like Doctors, theologians, intellectually devout Nazis and other high graduates that simply can't resist the temptation of thinking they have a god given right to run every ones else's lives for them.

Roman Catholics are in many cases the conscience of this and many other nations, never the less. It is The Roman Catholic Church itself, and especially the sorts of people who head it up that is perhaps the biggest problem of our age. In fact many other ages, if not all other ages of man.

2 April 2010 at 01:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"even when bearing witness to the truth is hard or unpopular."

And believing the big lie is the order of the day!

I know his game, he is trying to tickle me pink, look at the muck in here, shut that door, how tatty fillarious :D

Yes and four feathers right back at ya, from the end of my stick.

Or poll as you call it and that comes from the hoi poloit of us.

signed : non compos mentus

2 April 2010 at 03:19  
Anonymous アダルトSEO said...

Yes, maybe he's right.

2 April 2010 at 03:21  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

That a Son of the Manse (Presbyterian) should honour the Papists (Catholics) is beyond ridiculous, especially when one considers the anti-Christian agenda so vigorously pursued by this drug addled, lying, thieving, deceiving, illegitimate PM.

Am I clear?

1 April 2010 23:27

Apparently not as ridiculous as it may first appear to be. Gordon Brown is said to be very high Scottish Rite Freemason.

Much against common knowledge freemasonry at the highest level is answerable to The Pope in Rome. Of course the vast majority of Freemason are unaware of his fact, and for obvious reasons. The most important one being that most free masons are not Roman Catholics and do not wish to be answerable to anyone but possibly there transient WM and there infinitely less transient God.

Roman Catholicism like high and low freemasonry is perfectly riddled with overt Paganism. In many ways the RCC at the highest level has as much to do with the word and mission of Jesus Christ as that well known master of the dark arts and highest of high free masons Alistair Crowley.

Tony Blair is confidently reported to be a Knight of Malta, and therefore made a blood signed blood-oath to defend the interests of the Pope, and The Roman Empires Church above even that of his own family or indeed nation. Most if not all of our secret services big wigs and high civil-servants are also either Knights of Malta or signed up permanently to some other Jesuit order such as the Order of Columbia. The queen herself is also said to be, in fact very obviously is a Knight of Malta. Very possibly the only women that has ever been such.

Come to your own conclusions based on the above, or try your best to disprove my assertions. I have no way of knowing this for sure although this information has been confirmed by countless independent sources over many decades. None of which being the MSM of course, and especially not The BBC. Which is also said to be run by two high masons, one of which is also a Knight of Malta, as well as a Roman Catholic. The other an ethnic Jew.

Now I don't know about you lot but I think I can detect at least a serious conflict of interests at play within the very heart of our own establishment.

It would after all explain many strange things including the UK being frog-marched kicking and screaming into EU dictatorship. As well as the deafening silence from the Royal Family over the matter, and that of The BBC and MSM in general.

Come to think about it, this does indeed explain just about everything that up to now did not make any real sense at all.

2 April 2010 at 04:14  
Blogger Gnostic said...

The conscience of the nation covers up paedophilia.

Cyclops thinks this is a paragon.

No wonder his moral compass is screwed...

2 April 2010 at 07:28  
Blogger Ronald said...


Does the word paranoid mean anything to you.

How many mutualy incompatable conspirasy theories can you believe before breakfast?

Gordon Brown has cosied up to the Muslims as well. The list of things Gordon Brown would NOT do to get votes would be a short list.

We can explain getting dragged into Europe by polticians desire for power without accountability and some countries fears of loosing influence in a post colonial word dominated by the USA Russia and China.

Do you realy thing that blood oath or not that Tony Blair would ever put his self interest second to anything?

'has been confirmed by countless independent sources over many decades'

The confidence of a source often has little to do with its accuracy.

Name one of them and let the rest of us judge its reliability.

'The BBC. Which is also said...'

Said by who? You or a trusted source that could be expected to know about the BBC?

2 April 2010 at 07:48  
Blogger Ronald said...

And one more question.

Your conspiracy theories would have to involve a huge number of people. Do you think that people are so good at keeping secrets that only you have ever discovered the whole truth?

And why (ok that is a second question) if they are so powerful and control the secret services have they not been able to discover your real name and have you scilenced?

2 April 2010 at 07:55  
Anonymous len said...

The facts about the powers behind Government are known to many on the web.

2 April 2010 at 08:02  
Anonymous martin sewell said...

I thought this was the April Fool joke.

2 April 2010 at 08:04  
Anonymous len said...

I wouldn`t write off Mr Atlas Shrugged as a 'conspiracy nut'but look at what he is saying.

2 April 2010 at 08:13  
Anonymous len said...

The history of Europe is one of wars( forces?) fighting for consolidation.The acts of aggression against individual countries provoked feelings of Patriotism as their sovereignty and national identity was attacked and they resisted.
So tactics were changed,stealth was initiated instead of force, sovereignty was undermined and National identity was undermined,the family unit was undermined,Religion was undermined,Bible believing Christianity was undermined,finances were undermined, with all these pillars that held up society undermined the very glue that held society together is coming apart.

Now we can be led(like sheep)into The New World Order,The New world Religion.

2 April 2010 at 08:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look, Blair took the Catholic faith because he knows that most of the European establishment is Catholic, not Anglican.

At the time Blair said something about not being able to be a Catholic in Britain, which is not true. It was to get a job, and it failed.

Brown detests things English. He is not tolerant of English things and would happily disestablish the Church of England and destroy the Monarchy because he's more bothered about perceived wrongs from the past than the future. He's been in a position to do quite unpleasant things in a rather underhand way.

Brown is trying to do the statesman thing and give some sort of religious message at Easter, which is weird.

Brown is seeking to curry favour elsewhere, that's all.

Oh, and he's a prat if he thinks anybody will believe what he's written.

2 April 2010 at 11:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was Brown trying to be clever and hint that, because of the old kiddy fiddling that's been in the media, Britain's conscience is a bit bankrupt?

2 April 2010 at 11:58  
Blogger Ronald said...


The facts about the powers behind Government are known to many on the web.

Who on the web name one of them. Cite their sources.

Do you take being on the web as an indicator of reliability?

The more we know about the world the more religion all religions will be undermined. the increase of knowledge and greater freedom for the individual (and yes I know new labour has to some degree undermined this) will explain lack of religion better than any grand conspirasy theory.

Notice that it is the least educated countries and the most represive that are also the most religious.

2 April 2010 at 13:02  
Anonymous Sandy Jamieson said...

This statement has the same credibility with me as the one claiming his favourite goal was Paul Gascoyne's against Scotland in Euro 1996

At least Tony Blair switched to the Church of the IRA

2 April 2010 at 14:02  
Anonymous Oswin said...

English are clear!

God bless all here.

2 April 2010 at 17:55  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Gnostic (7:28)—The conscience of the nation covers up paedophilia.

Is this what you have in mind?

2 April 2010 at 23:01  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

I do not believe in many or in incompatible conspiracy theories. There is only one real conspiracy, which means it is all highly compatible. Please let me explain why only one, and why very few people indeed need to be wholly or substantively in on it. The secret is in the pyramid structure of corporate power.If you work for a large corporation it is very likely that you do not have the slightest clue who you are ultimately work for.

Still less do you know which corporation owns your corporation or indeed which multi-national conglomerate owns that. Even more you have no idea even if you are close to top management who is really financing the whole show.

Surly not ordinary share holders that generally don't have a clue about anything other then how to buy shares in something they truly do not know anything whatsoever about.

Remember the lie is different at every level of the pyramid. As you go up the levels things become a little clearer but by then the individual is so within the system they could not possibly break free, or indeed would wish to do so. This structure has been in place for a very long time. So long in fact, and so interwoven into the very fabric of society, industry, the banking and education system, world trade, the media, and of course religion that hardly anyone wearing its cloth has any type of interest in unpicking it. The pyramid holds all within its structure. From radical left to reactionary right. From Catholic to Jew, to Muslim, to Hindu, and back again. From the guy on the dole to the small time billionair driving his Roller.

I could go on forever, however I have a question for you. We are told time and time again that people like Gates, Soros, Buffet and Branson are among the riches people on earth. We are also repeatedly assured by our media that people like Brown, and above all Obama are the most powerful people currently living on planet earth.

I have much evidence, in fact utterly conclusive proof to strongly suggest to say the very least, that this is a lie and a very big one at that.

The more research I have done on these sort of issues the more, self-evidently incredible the lies are.

In that you do not need to do much research at all before you find what your own common sense should have told you. Which is that the above people can not possibly be anywhere near the richest or most powerful people on earth, by even the longest stretch of the greatest imaginations.

Buffet, Soros, Branson and any one else ever mentioned on the TV are relatively bums living in card-board boxes compared with the really rich. As for the likes of Brown and Obama.

To seriously be told and then believe that these chaps are notably and ultimately more powerful then their own tea-ladies, would be laughable if it was not such an utter piss take.

My question is. If these people are not effectively and ultimately running your world then who do you imagine is?

However please do not take my word for anything whatsoever. The truth is out there and been there for a very long time, so please be so kind as to go and get it. Nothing I have said above is not without several mountains of very real evidence to back it ALL up. With plenty more besides. So much so I can do no more then scratch the surface for you.

As for your second question.

They don't need to because they know; you can tell the nasty truth a million times, but a nice lie is always far more believable. This especially when the vast majority either believe the nice lie, are part of the nice lie, or basically don't give a damn one way or another. Not withstanding the fact that by far and away the majority of the secret services don't know what the bugger is going on. As is the nature of highly departmentalised secret services.

2 April 2010 at 23:17  
Blogger Marie-Therese O' Loughlin said...

When The Ryan/Laffoy Report came out in Ireland, Britain was mostly caught up with its own internal - fees scandal affair - to pay too much heed.

And, by hook or by crook, nothing like the recent Vatican child abuse debacle (which above report was one of the main instigators of the dreadful outing) is going to interfere and come between the coming of Christ's vicar on earth to Great Britain and the forthcoming British election.

Methinks too that the British government is afraid of a Pandora's box being widely opened on its shores - vis-à-vis child abuse, hence all the spin-doctoring and promotion of Catholicism.

Notwithstanding the Catholic votes with which it would doubtless hope to gain with all this mouthing off about its citizens being its conscience

The following links will give you a foretaste of a day in the life, in the past, of a survivor of Irish institutional child abuse. Sexual abuse of children is but one element of abuse that occurred to thousands upon thousands of child detainees held illegally in industrial schools - throughout the most of their childhoods. There is a multiplicity of abuses that occurred - nevertheless sex naturally sells best.

2 April 2010 at 23:52  
Anonymous Adrian P said...


What would be the point of Killing Atlas, that would only arouse suspicion, besides they would only then have to kill me too, and the Growing Tsunami of people all over the world waking up to the truth.
Atlas is right, Bill Gates is not the richest man in the World, his few Billion are Nothing compared to the $500 TRILLION owned by the family who reside at the very tip of the Pyramid.
You want Proof, Absolute undeniable proof.

Ask yourself why we as a nation, in fact any nation would Borrow money ( worthless bits of paper ) rather than Print it themselves.
There is your absolute and undeniable proof that there is something above Cameron, Brown, Clegg, Obama, the United States and the European Union, even the UN.

'The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes'

Benjamin Disraeli

Here's another Quote, not from Disraeli this time.

Give me control of a nations money supply, and I care not who makes her laws.

4 April 2010 at 10:19  

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