Thursday, April 29, 2010

"Gordon, what do you really think?"

That is the question with which David Cameron must interject at every available opportunity in today's Leaders' Debate.

It is on the economy, which ought to be a gift to the Conservative leader from the outset. With the Greek tragedy unfolding, the Euro in peril, and EU member states about to start falling like Icelandic banks, the fact that David Cameron has said 'Never' to joining the Euro places him firmly on the side of the people. If we had joined when the Liberal Democrats wanted us to, we would now be gripped by the very same crisis and turmoil unfolding in Greece. It is a card which Mr Cameron must play, and play often.

But the revelation yesterday that Gordon Brown thinks that anyone who holds a view contrary to his is a 'bigot' is manna from heaven for the Conservatives. Back in November, Gordon Brown said:

I have never agreed with the lazy elitism that dismisses immigration as an issue, or portrays anyone who has concerns about immigration as a racist. Immigration is not an issue for fringe parties nor a taboo subject.
Whatever Gordon Brown says tonight, whatever assurances he gives on taxation, however he explains away the recession and the UK's doleful performance since, David Cameron is able to perpetuate the doubts about the Prime Minister's integrity which already exist in people's minds: 'Is he telling us the truth?'

And the answer, as we now know, is 'No'.

Gordon Brown is content to say one thing on camera to reassure his audience, and then, in private, to assert a precisely contrary view. He is a hypocrite, a charlatan, a fraud and a liar. Even his 'penitent sinner' apology was faked. After his first conversation with Gillian Duffy, he was asked in the car what it was she said which so irked him. He clearly responded 'Everything - she's just a bigoted woman.'

It was 'everything'.

Yet, after delivering his heartfelt and sincere apology to Mrs Duffy (now 'Gillian'), Gordon Brown emerged from her house with that fake grin beaming across his face, assuring us that he had 'simply misunderstood some of the words she had used'.

David Cameron might drop that line into his presentation this evening. Whenever Gordon Brown dismisses what he says or attempts to smear Conservative policy, Mr Cameron simply has to say: "Gordon appears to have misunderstood some of the words I have used."

And there is no reason at all why a debate on the economy should not include the subject of immigration.

Perhaps, as we all dare to disagree with Gordon Brown and Nick Clegg, we might find out that we are all Mrs Duffy: we are all bigots. Mrs Duffy speaks for millions of the 'great ignored'.

If David Cameron deploys the 'I'm Spartacus' line tonight, he will win hands down.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, saying one thing to someone's face, then another privately, then apologising to the person makes an individual "a hypocrite, a charlatan, a fraud and a liar".

Count me in too, then. And pretty much everybody I know. But not you?

29 April 2010 at 11:33  
Blogger Chris Paul said...

Brown was clearly struggling for the right words in a private convo and ended up with the wrong ones. But he said "is a sort of bigoted woman" and not the oft reported "a bigot" or Julian Woricker claimed "very bigoted". He was clearly struggling for the right words.

But mainly, to these ears, he was disappointed that these encounters had not been better managed by his team. Some of whom regard press relations as a spectator sport not an activity for them.

He got the wrong words. He was eavesdroppe by Sky. Had they anticipated this possibility having given him a bug mic but having control of it? I have no idea. But he got the wrong words is true. And there but for the Grace of god, alas, go most of us.

Mrs Gillian Duffy made some generalisations, adverse ones at that, about immigration. These are not ideas that are peculiar to her or that are uncommon among supporters of all parties and none.

GB tried to explain how and why he disagreed with these. For example that there was/is a similar number of Brits living and working in Europe as other Europeans living and working here.

From my information, and Rochdale is one of my specialist subjects, there is a significant part of the community in the town which was pleased that Gordon attempted to answer Mrs Duffy's point with a positive answer about the benefits and balance of immigration.

Healey Ward is about 70% against Labour. Mostly Lib Dem supporting. This estate showed higher opposition than that the last time it was canvassed. The incumbent councillors include Phil Woolas's opponent in neighbouring O&S. This was a very poor choice IMO for a walkabout or even for a photo opp with a community payback scheme.

To err is human. To understand and forgive is divine.

29 April 2010 at 11:35  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

Mrs Bigot has done this election a huge service by raising the issue that dare not speak its name. Many if not most people think that there has been too much immigration over the last 25 years. The character of great swathes of this country has been changed by it and people whose families have lived in some of the northern towns or large parts of London for generations feel like strangers in their own land.

It is not unreasonable for people to object to the character of their neighbourhood changing without their consent. But how can they/we challenge the decisions that have led us to this situation without appearing to be racist?

The answer is that we probably can’t and that is why the politicians tip toe around it. The influx of “temporary” workers from the EU might actually help the debate as comments from some of the long established Asian and Afro-Caribbean communities show that they too are concerned.

Britain is full is currently a slogan used only by UKIP and the BNP but how long before the three main parties start recognising that that you don’t have to be a bigot to think that way?

29 April 2010 at 11:41  
Blogger Cyberdoyle said...

I think the reason the other two parties aren't lashing into Gordon today is that they know they are guilty of the same thing... if the boot was on the other foot and Dave had made the same gaff you could bet your sweet bippy that #mandelbot would have been on every news channel this morning rubbing it in... whereas he can't do much when the proof was there for all to hear. I feel sorry for gordon actually, it was a mean trick to pull on him, but the fact remains that all politicos are guilty of this two faced animal farm hypocrisy.
It is also a warning that nothing is private, certainly if labour get their way with the Digital Economy Act... four legs good, two legs bad. A taste of their own medicine will do them no harm ;)

29 April 2010 at 11:44  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

I don’t understand.

There is something that my perception is blind to.

Brown’s exchange with Mrs Duffy went well. She even praised him on some subjects. She is a life-long Labour voter. There was nothing remarkable about their conversation.

He then gets into his car; the doors are slammed shut. Then he makes a most remarkable comment. He describes the meeting with Mrs Duffy a ‘disaster’ when it clearly wasn’t.

He calls her a bigot.

Either there is something deeply wrong or God has permitted this to happen for some purpose.

29 April 2010 at 11:56  
Blogger Preacher said...

It seems to me that all three want to desperately be all things to all men, or to please all of the people all of the time. Oh to be a fly on the wall, or more to the point a bug in the car of all the men who would be King, it could change politics as we know it for ever & be a big improvement on the spin, hypocrisy & lies that we have so long been accustomed to.

29 April 2010 at 11:59  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

Take a look at this; I think many here will agree with the theme that our democracy is in peril. Although Pat Condell is a well know atheist this is his first strictly political offering and he doesn’t mince words!

29 April 2010 at 12:09  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Mr C Paul said:-

...(using)the right words in a private convo and ended up with the wrong ones

Not good for a man who wishes to speak on behalf of our Country.
They were what he thought and what he used; in exasperation as a result of being confronted in a most civil manner and hearing things he did not wish to hear.

Struggling for words ‘my arse’.

Brown was showing his true colours regarding his authoritarian persona.
He is an initiator of an immigration policy that has cost the majority population of this Country to lose belief their sense of identity and trust in the integrity of their representatives in Parliament.

For example that there was/is a similar number of Brits living and working in Europe as other Europeans living and working here

This Sir is Bull shit.
Comparing the ‘exchange’ of migrants between the continent of Europe with a densely populated island such as the UK is to treat the British people as ignorant fools.

The UK is second only to Netherlands in population/landmass density. Who knows how the the figures stack up in comparison to the total EU member countries.

Brown is a career politician like all the rest. Has proved he is not even worthy of fulfilling the role as an MP let alone in the role of Prime Minister.

29 April 2010 at 12:52  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Chris Paul

You assert (without supporting evidence) in defence of Mr Brown:

‘He got the wrong words.’

From whom did he get the wrong words from?

29 April 2010 at 13:06  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Chris Paul (11:35)—…there is a significant part of the community in the town which was pleased that Gordon attempted to answer Mrs Duffy’s point with a positive answer about the benefits and balance of immigration.

Would Labour’s new voters be that significant part of the community, by any chance?

❛Government research last year showed more than a quarter of primary school pupils in Rochdale spoke English as a foreign language—and named one school, Heybrook Primary, where every single one of the 453 pupils spoke English as a second language.
The mills have now gone, but the Pakistani and Bangladeshi Muslims who came to work in them have remained, along with their children and grandchildren. And census figures have shown that while the white population is actually falling by 2·3 per cent a decade, thanks to high birth rates the Asian population is doubling every 20 years. One church has reacted by offering services in Urdu and Punjabi. Statistics produced in 2006 counted 16,000 people of Pakistani-origin in Rochdale, one in twelve of the population, along with 3,100 Bangladeshis, and another 8,000 non-Whites.❜—Daily Mail

29 April 2010 at 13:42  
Anonymous William said...

D. Singh: "Either there is something deeply wrong or God has permitted this to happen for some purpose."

Quem Deus vult perdere …

29 April 2010 at 15:05  
Blogger David said...

It's official then: anyone concerned about immigration’s effect on housing, services & crime since 1997 is just a 'bigot'. So much for Brown's desire for tonight's TV debate to focus on policy. Probably just as well given the mess Labour have got the country into. Again.
This government instigated a secret policy of mass immigration ('Don't listen to the whingers-London needs immigrants' which could potentially, and regardless of whatever we do now, have catastrophic consequences for the UK's ability to provide for its population in decades to come according to a report produced by the Government Actuary's Department ('Rising immigration could double population of Britain by 2081'
Members of this Labour government have been enriching themselves for years whilst driving down UK labour rates at the expense of their own traditional supporters, who they privately despise, and all to the decitful message of 'British jobs for British workers'. Perhaps this is really a case of the government projecting onto the general public its own reverse bigotry.
It would be a great mistake for the media and the public to assume that Gordon Brown's latest gaff means he alone is to blame. He was isolated for years in Blair's cabinet when the secret policy was enacted, members of which will surely oust him soon, win or lose, and continue as before.
I once heard a revered spiritual teacher describe such gross hypocisy as being like the smell of an open sewer or that of rotting flesh on the hottest day of the year. I said the same about the Tories in 1997 and it applies equally now: this Labour government really must be dismissed forthwith.

29 April 2010 at 15:10  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Wallace at 3.05 pm: welcome.

And this is the inscription that was written (on the wall):


This is the interpretation of each word.

MENE: God has numbered your kingdom, and finished it;

TEKEL: You have been weighed in the balances, and found wanting;

PERES: Your kingdom has been divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

29 April 2010 at 15:32  
Blogger English Viking said...

Your Grace,

I don't understand the implication in your assertions that it was a very good thing to stay out of the euro (I agree), namely that because Great Britain did stay out, we are now sitting in economic paradise.

Our figures are close to, and will soon be worse than Greece's.

The economic ruin wrought on this nation by numerous incompetents, most of whom were of the blue variety, is going to bring disorder the likes of which have never been seen before.

How sad that a man as obviously intelligent as yourself cannot see that blue or red or yellow, they are all to blame, as are the idiots that vote for them.

29 April 2010 at 15:52  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr English Viking,

His Grace has neither said nor alluded to the UK being in an 'economic paradise'.

It is simply that she remains sovereign to sort out her own economic problems: Greece does not. And it is David Cameron alone who has given the assurance that, for as long as he is Prime Minister, the UK will retain that sovereignty.

29 April 2010 at 16:07  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

You’re right Cranmer this is Cameron’s best/last chance. Broon has his goolies firmly in the grasp of Mrs Bigot and Clegg is very vulnerable to the Euro and immigration so if Cameron cannot score some blows tonight then he never will. The wild card may be Dimbleby who likes to get stuck in the way the other two didn’t, strict impartiality of course but perhaps with some questions that will unsettle all three candidates.

The IFS report will no doubt figure prominently, the winner could be the one to tell all so that the whole ghastly mess that awaits us is not such a surprise as it might have been. Rather than a pre-election give away it could even be a pre-election take away “wot won it”.

29 April 2010 at 16:23  
Blogger English Viking said...

Your Grace,

When you talk of this nation's sovereignty, do you mean the 15% that the EU have left us?

If it wasn't so serious, I'd laugh.

PS You need to be careful with Dave and his 'promises', particularly EU ones, he's got a bit of form on that.

PPS Greece is still 'sovereign', if it chose to be; it could simply withdraw from the Euro, as is being suggested by the Germans.

29 April 2010 at 16:40  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

English Viking said...

Greece is still 'sovereign', if it chose to be; it could simply withdraw from the Euro, as is being suggested by the Germans.

I don’t think the German government are suggesting that course as they are terrified of the domino effect on Portugal and Spain and the devastating shock it would have on the financial markets, some have suggested it would be as bad as the financial crisis from which we are still emerging.

29 April 2010 at 16:50  
Blogger English Viking said...

Mr Davis,

Just saying what Merkel was reported to have mooted today, on BBC World.

Still, you know what liars they are.

29 April 2010 at 16:52  
Blogger English Viking said...

Mr Davis,

PS We are not emerging from the crisis, it is getting worse, by about £4500.00 per second. I'm not joking.

29 April 2010 at 16:54  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Cris are farting into a head-wind! Do yourself, and your under-pants, a big favour - and give it up! You have enough to contend with the 'Brown-job' you would call 'leader', without recourse to further soiling.

Apropos of English Viking's comments: he's right! Further still, if Greece, Portugal and Spain have to be bailed-out; then from whence do WE borrow; and at what rate of interest???

29 April 2010 at 19:52  

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