Wednesday, April 28, 2010

The self-censoring of debate

Cranmer really does not know what to discuss today.

If he turns to immigration, he is racist.

If he queries issues of European Union, he is xenophobic.

If he expresses an opinion on the case of Philip Lardner, he is homophobic.

If he questions the Pope, he is a bigot.

If he expresses concerns over aspects of Islam, he is Islamophobic.

Thus is the level of political discourse in modern Britain: every contentious issue, no matter how worthy of scrutiny or debate, is swiftly closed down with threats of a fatwa or character assassination. In this age of hyper-sensitivity to offending anyone on any matter, discussion is suppressed and liberties are surrendered.

What do you call a liberal democracy which prohibits rational discourse?


Anonymous Anonymous said...

interesting arguments on iain dale's comments section - he doesn't address the issues of free speech when questioned by a poster

28 April 2010 at 12:02  
Anonymous James Miller said...

I'd call it a sick joke or a contradiction in terms.

28 April 2010 at 12:02  
Blogger English Viking said...

'What do you call a liberal democracy which prohibits rational discourse?'

The United Kingdom.

28 April 2010 at 12:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


28 April 2010 at 12:11  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Your Grace, silence on any or all of these subjects makes you a good little Cameroon drone. I hope you are so much better than that.

What would I call a liberal democracy which prohibits rational discourse?

A sick joke? An oxymoron? A complete misnomer? A Neu Arbeit utopia? A frigging trainwreck? An EU triumph? A reason to rise up and slaughter those responsible? Take your pick...

28 April 2010 at 12:13  
Anonymous Stop Common Purpose said...

Perhaps a discussion about Victoria Beckham's bunions?

28 April 2010 at 12:13  
Blogger Ian said...

But with all due respect Cranny you have been urging us to vote for just such a state of affairs for last few weeks now.

28 April 2010 at 12:13  
Blogger at frame said...

If I do vote Conservative at these elections, it will be with an even heavier heart now that Philip Lardner has been suspended. Who's being the most unreasonably "judgmental" and "offensive"?

28 April 2010 at 12:18  
Anonymous pedant said...

It used to be every Englishman's right to say what he damn well pleased, and every other Englishman's right to laugh at him for it.

Not any more. We cower in a neo-puritanical age. The sole consolation is that such periods never last. Then comes the exuberant release of libertarian excess.

There is one way forward. To describe someone as racist, homophobic, xenophobic etc clearly exposes him to hatred, ridicule and contempt, and lowers him in the eyes of right-thinking members of society. No doubt these phrases ring bells with Your Grace.

These contemptible insults and boo-words have been sprayed around for far too long. Their sole purpose, as Your Grace observes, is to shut down debate. A robust challenge through the courts would soon remind the insolent bullies who deploy them where their best interests really lie.

28 April 2010 at 12:22  
Blogger Peter said...

Sorry YG, but I concur with Ian.

Trying to "change things from the inside" has failed. The stifling, undemocratic, homogenous orthodoxy of party political 'debate' is well and truly buried.

Only the BNP - and to a lesser extent, UKIP - are willing to speak the truth plainly. Independents too are free to speak their minds.

Nick Griffin got the better of Paxman the other night because - like Ann Coulter on another occassion - he simply answered every question directly, plainly & truthfully. There is no tangled web of deceit that needs to constantly be spun & re-spun.

As a fellow former conservative, I urge you to cut your tribal ties. Become an indpendent free thinker. Leave old testament politics with it's party political high priests, and join the new testament politics of liberty & free thought.

28 April 2010 at 12:26  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

You racist, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamophic bigot, you!

Even your complaint identifies you as wanting to say things which could be so characterised. Tut, tut.

Instead, how about mentioning the humungous debt into which the Brown Monster has sunk us? Maybe you can identify what the Tory party plans to do seriously to reduce that debt? Maybe you can point to their political courage, their insistence on facing the electorate with the realities of this unimaginably dire state of affairs, and the highly-regarded people on their team who can be trusted to take the necessary actions.

Only then might your pleas to vote for the Tory shambles possibly gain some traction.

28 April 2010 at 12:27  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think it would be offensive to talk about Victoria B's bunions, she is a nice girl who does a lot for fashion and sometimes sings in a Vintage music combo. To pick out people like this is wrong. We should all accept we are all the same, but very different and we all have the right to have the same opinions as everyone else and that it is wrong to say stuff.......
You see what a Blairite education produces?

28 April 2010 at 12:47  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

We live in an unelected dictatorship and the "election" in a few days makes as much difference as the UK parish council. Welcome to the eu.

Additional censorship by the "liberal" and "equality" brigades complete the picture of Orwellspeak.

I look forward to another 600,000 new and "useful citizens" joining us shortly. Did I say "failed asylum seekers?" or "economic migrants?" Sorry.

28 April 2010 at 12:48  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A tweet from Penn Jillette said "The most damning thing you can say about Muslims is you're afraid to say anything".

28 April 2010 at 12:49  
Anonymous Loren Forest Outlaw said...

I agree with Anabaptist, Your Grace; your guilt is presaged by your overweening desire to resist temptation and utter self-condemnatory heresy. Personally, I just carry on thinking uncensored thoughts, as it drives 'them' crazy knowing that like Citizen Winston Smith they can force me eventually to agree to make the pain go away but they can never change my view. No, speak up I say. If you have something to say, say on. Do not let us stand in your way.

28 April 2010 at 12:54  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

YG - you could do worse than to talk about Greek debt. (Funny that the industrious Germans are reluctant to bale out the fun-loving Greeks, when push comes to shove. Or maybe not, of course)

With Greece's debt having been downgraded to junk bond status, it won;t be long before the pack of cards reaches our shores.

For now, none of the principal parties dare not speak the worst, for if they do, they won;t get elected. Just as John smith, all those years ago, made it plain how bad things were, so people naturally voted for someone else.

It's the same today, except that nobody will dare tell the electorate just how bad things are out there.

The world today is controlled by Standard and Poor, it seems.

28 April 2010 at 12:56  
Anonymous graham Wood said...

"What do you call a liberal democracy which prohibits rational discourse?"

A dictatorship, or a Lib/Lab/Con Cabal.

28 April 2010 at 13:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tell the immigrants to stay away, tell the EU its morally, intellectually and financially bankrupt, tell the queers that they practice unhygenic sex, tell the pope he is a Nazi and tell the Moslems they are a load of murdering bastards.

Publish and be damned.

28 April 2010 at 13:08  
Anonymous Stewart Cowan said...

I tried to comment three times on that ConHome post, but I have obviously been banned due to my comments on a previous thread which Tim M closed down because he couldn't cope with free speech.

Your Grace, there is nothing left in the Tory Party for Christians. If there is, maybe you could make a list and we could write down the negatives in the comments.

The mainstream parties are all controlled by the Wreckers: the Elite/global cabal/NWO, whatever you want to call them, who are intent on destroying national sovereignty and induce moral decay in order to create a single world government.

They even think they have the power to redefine the laws of nature and most of the politicians go along with it, repeating the mantra that being 'gay' is normal, and so children must be taught this.

The Tories should be miles ahead in the polls, but they don't care about the majority or what is good and right, so they are vying with the Lib Dems who they are now very close to politically.

28 April 2010 at 13:13  
Anonymous I'm a bigot according to Gordon Brown said...

Are you a Brown bigot though?

28 April 2010 at 13:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace

This is what the Conservative candidate Mr Phillip Lander said and for what in consequence he was suspended for:

“I will always support the rights of homosexuals to be treated within concepts of (common-sense) equality and respect, and defend their rights to choose to live the way they want in private, but I will not accept that their behaviour is ‘normal’ or encourage children to indulge in it. The promotion of homosexuality by public bodies (as per clause 28/ Section 2a in Scotland), was correctly outlawed by Mrs Thatcher’s government.

“Toleration and understanding is one thing, but state-promotion of homosexuality is quite another. Why should Christian churches be forced by the government to employ homosexuals as ‘ministers’ against all that the Bible teaches? They are being forced by the government to betray their mission – would the Equality and Human Rights Commission be fined for refusing a job to Nick Griffin? Christians (and most of the population) believe homosexuality to be somewhere between ‘unfortunate’ and simply ‘wrong’ and they should not be penalised for politely saying so – good manners count too, of course. The current ‘law’ is wrong and must be overturned in the interests of freedom as well as Christian values.”

Your Grace, there is no room for the Judaeo-Christian in the Conservative party.

28 April 2010 at 13:17  
Anonymous circus monkey said...

In answer to your question: New Labour's "New Britain", of course.

28 April 2010 at 13:23  
Anonymous Mark Blades said...

'Cranmer really does not know what to discuss today.'


Well, instead of bleating that you'll be called 'homophobic' why don't you discuss Philip Lardner's sacking properly?

Instead of lionising David Cameron and his Not-the-Conservative Party ad nauseum, as you have been doing recently, why don't you speak up and call that decision to sack Mr Lardner a disgrace?

Why won't you write about Cameron's betrayal of the conservative, or even the Christian concept of freedom of conscience?

There are plenty of things to discuss, Mr. Cranmer. The only thing lacking seems to me to be the willingness, courage, or perhaps the conviction or the time, to do so candidly.

28 April 2010 at 13:25  
Anonymous len said...

Y G, Political correctness has done its job then, which is to put you (and me) into a straight jacket,gagged and rendered harmless.
Or has it?

28 April 2010 at 13:26  
Blogger Ian said...

pedant @ 12.22.
As Phillip Lardner is not English, you opening comment is not really applicable.

As it stands, the Postal Ballots have already been issued, the Freeposts have been delivered. What do the Tories in North Ayrhsire and Arran do (membership must be about 300-400) and which way do those who are Tory vote- The separatist SNP, the bigoted Labour Party or the opportunistic Lib Dems??

28 April 2010 at 13:28  
Blogger Peter said...

Len said ... "Y G, Political correctness has done its job then, which is to put you (and me) into a straight jacket

Careful, that's homophobic. Don't you mean a gay jacket?! ;o)

28 April 2010 at 13:39  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

While Cranmer is having a think let me pass on to all an email that I received recently.

Oxford University researchers have discovered the heaviest element yet known
to science. Called Governmentium (symbol=Gv), it has one neutron,
25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons and 198 assistant deputy neutrons,
giving it an atomic mass of 312.

These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are
surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called pillocks.
Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert. However, it can be
detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into

A tiny amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would normally take
less than a second, to take from 4 days to 4 years to complete.

Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2 to 6 years. It does not decay, but
instead undergoes a reorganisation in which a portion of the assistant
neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.

In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over time, since each
reorganisation will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes.
This characteristic of moron promotion leads some scientists to believe that
Governmentium is formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration. This
hypothetical quantity is referred to as a critical morass. When catalysed
with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium (symbol=Ad), an element
that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium, since it has half as
many pillocks but twice as many morons.

28 April 2010 at 14:11  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace

All right. Men now practise self-censorship for fear of losing their jobs. What happens to freedom? It is diminished. And what of our security? That too is diminished. What about trust in government? That too is diminished. What about trust in the official? That too is diminished. What about trust in the law? On the issue of transgender, birth certificates are being changed. So trust in official documents diminishes. All things that are noble, right and truthful are scorned to the point where we will no longer know what is right or left; up or down. Still, what will happen to our courage? That too will diminish; and when that diminishes history shows that a nation collapses into anarchy for a short time and then into a brutal tyranny.

Many reading this will conclude what I have written as too far fetched. But how many would have thought ten years ago that Christians in 21st century Britain would be brought before the civil and criminal law courts?

It was inconceivable.

It is now reality.

28 April 2010 at 15:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's what happens when the Left takes over the narrative.

28 April 2010 at 15:17  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

How true this post is. Very well observed YG.

28 April 2010 at 16:18  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Messrs Peter and Len, between you you wrote:

'Len said ... "Y G, Political correctness has done its job then, which is to put you (and me) into a straight jacket

Careful, that's homophobic. Don't you mean a gay jacket?! ;o)

Hate to spoil your otherwise fine witticism, Peter, but it should be 'straitjacket'.

'Strait' is a different word from 'straight'. It means restriction or restrictive. As in 'Strait of Gibraltar' (which isn't some really macho guy living on the Rock).

28 April 2010 at 16:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What will prevent people voting for Mr Philip Lardner (since his name cannot be erased from the pre-printed voting papers) and what will stop him from standing as an Independent if he garners more votes than anyone else?

Beryl Polden

28 April 2010 at 17:45  
Anonymous no nonny said...

Anabaptist @ 16:34 - Oh dear. Does that mean that paronomasia and homophones are banished as well?

Whatever's next for the the chop? Polyptoton?

28 April 2010 at 18:00  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Homophones are bigots.

28 April 2010 at 18:32  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Well, only the other day I overheard the bishop and Mr Slope arguing in the cloisters at Barchester. The bishop, I have to say, was red in the face. 'Take out the homonyms, Mr. Slope, take them out I say!' I had no idea my lord and Mr Slope were now in the business of contract-killing, but the cathedral roof doesn't repair itself, does it? Gathering my crinoline in both hands I rushed up to protest. Alas, how foolish I felt when it was explained to me that my Lord was not referring to our whoopsie brethren but to Mr. Slope's Sunday sermon. I felt such a bigot...

28 April 2010 at 18:53  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Just let rip Your Grace. By your example so shall we follow!

28 April 2010 at 19:10  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

His Grace should be more like me and not give a shite. Get it off your chest man/woman.

28 April 2010 at 19:20  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

HG Cranny said:-
What do you call a liberal democracy which prohibits rational discourse?


28 April 2010 at 20:38  
Blogger Young Mr. Brown said...

What do you call a liberal democracy which prohibits rational discourse?


Completely and utterly politically correct, to be precise.

The truth of the matter is that some people think this election is about the economy, and some think that it is about the EU, and some think it is about climate change.

In actual fact, it is about freedom. And it looks suspiciously like the main parties are all on the same side. The freedoms that we have known for the past few hundred years are slowly being strangled. And those who value these freedoms enough to contend for them are few.

28 April 2010 at 23:13  
Anonymous len said...

Political Correctness is socialist mind control.
This is a means of distorting truth, to alter perceptions of morality, to bring about a totally new order based on the religion of man.
When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of integrity . To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.
Christians are warned not to conform to this World to its morals and its ways of thinking.

29 April 2010 at 00:09  
Anonymous Pageantmaster said...

Hmm - David Cameron apparently made a decision "within minutes" to suspend Mr Lardner. Remarkably short period of time in which to investigate the facts, engage due disciplinary process, put the claims to Mr Lardner and consider his response and all the facts before coming to a decision.


29 April 2010 at 09:05  
Blogger Owl said...

Young Mr. brown and Len have hit the nail on the head.
Freedom and thruth are the real issues at stake here.
Concepts that Lib/Lab/Con have forsaken.

29 April 2010 at 11:09  
Blogger Preacher said...

Philip Lardner should stand as an independant candidate. There is nothing, repeat nothing that should offend anyone in his statement. If the suppression of truth is all the conservative party can offer, then they don't deserve to win. The last thing we want is a whining, PC pseudo Labour party running the country for the next five years. It might bring some party faithfuls to heal if he were to occupy a seat in Westminster. I'm voting UKIP, they seem to be the only party that represent the majority of the electorate without toadying up to 'minority' groups, as long as UKIP continue to hold the wishes of the general electorate in mind, I shall continue to vote for them. I make up my own mind & refuse to listen to the 'wasted vote' propaganda of the Big Three who look to be running scared of both BNP & UKIP. I would not vote BNP for ethical & moral reasons, but each must decide for themselves. I would encourage all readers of Your Grace's blog to make their own minds up & vote accordingly.
To the leaders of the Big Three my advice would be listen to the mass of the people, your policies affect us all! & there are some gargantuan things to be tackled. The gun being held to your head by vocal minorities will turn out to be a water pistol. Mr Lardner,
Stand up & be counted by all the electorate, irrespective of race, creed, religion or sexual orientation, you may be surprised by the support you get.

29 April 2010 at 11:26  
Blogger AndrewWS said...

What do you call a liberal democracy which prohibits rational discourse? Doomed.

29 April 2010 at 16:25  
Anonymous Adrian Peirson said...

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30 April 2010 at 14:05  
Anonymous JC Fremont said...

Having been born in Rhode Island, I'm rather fond of a line of the character Stephen Hopkins from the movie "1776"...

"Well, in all my years I ain't never heard, seen nor smelled an issue that was so dangerous it couldn't be talked about. Hell yeah! I'm for debating anything. Rhode Island says yea!"

It's always a struggle to maintain free speech, and it's always worth fighting for. The circumstances may be different in different countries, but we need to keep the faith.

4 May 2010 at 17:07  

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