Thursday, April 22, 2010

This General Election has become a by-election opportunity for a protest vote

To mark tonight’s Sky News Debate, Sky News projected the faces of the main party leaders - Gordon Brown, David Cameron and Nick Clegg - onto the iconic White Cliffs of Dover, echoing the famous American landmark Mount Rushmore. The Sky News Debate will be shown live on Sky channel 501 and, in high definition, on 517 tonight from 8pm.

The incongruity, of course, is that the colossi at Mount Rushmore are made up of the United States’ modern political greats: the postmodern shadows projected onto the White Cliffs of Dover are but reflections of mediocrity.

When David Cameron decided to run with the ‘change’ agenda, he could have had no idea that the people would take him quite literally so extremely: the pendulum swing should have been between red and blue; the resulting purple would have been a temporary infusion as the nation watched dozens of seats vote Cameron.

But yellow has entered the mix, and the murky grey is making an indelible stain.

Perhaps it should come as no surprise.

When every party decides to focus on the ‘middle ground’, preaching banal and generic identical mantras of ‘change’ and ‘fairness’ in the ‘future’; offering almost identical programmes for government; focusing more on the personality of postmodernity than the philosophy of modern political philosophy, it ought to come as no surprise that the electorate fancies all three slices of the cake in almost identical 30% portions.

What is there between New Labour and the Liberal Democrats? What divides the Liberal Democrats from Cameron’s liberal Conservatives?

Sure, the anoraks know: the ‘Westminster bubble’; the journalists, the bloggers, the politicos; those who hear the nuances of philosophy and can see the subtle shades of policy. But the majority of the electorate taste the flavours in the wind; they are blind and deaf to neo-classical economics, hundreds of billions of debt and the issue of European Union. Their antennae are attuned to personal taxation, education, health and the integrity and authenticity of the leader.

And so, after years of being fleeced by corrupt MPs, after the expenses scandal, after debasing the nation’s politics, it looks as though the 65 year-old Conservative-Labour hegemony of vested interests and a ruling élite is over.

The people are having an almost-glorious revolution as they cry a plague on all their houses in roughly equal proportions: 34%-30%-29%.

The lack of a decisive majority might push the UK into a Greek-style fiscal maelstrom, but voters are too disillusioned to care. The more anti-politics the message is, the more attractive it sounds. The more liberating from the status quo a message sounds, the more inspiring it seems.

In the mind’s eye.

Which can be more easily deceived; confused by illusions and fooled by the ghosts of imagined experience.

To want to treat this General Election as a by-election opportunity to cast a protest vote is understandable. But when the people wake up to the reality, they will yearn for the era when politics was about ideas and philosophy was debated.


Blogger Jared Gaites said...

"But when the people wake up to the reality, they will yearn for the era when politics was about ideas and philosophy was debated."

The problem is that yearning for such things is futile. Those days of ideology are finished. There is no body of politic that has any substantial ideology left that can be identified. So PROTEST I SHALL! And maybe them days will return after the great lesson is taken in? If not, then the lesson needs repeating until it sinks in.

22 April 2010 at 08:59  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

Cranmer I usually enjoy your comments even when I don’t agree with them but this time the result is empty rhetoric. As an experienced observer of the political scene you must realise that to say there is no difference between the parties is nonsense.

Lets take apart just one para:

The lack of a decisive majority might push the UK into a Greek-style fiscal maelstrom, but voters are too disillusioned to care.
No look to Germany where despite the colossal upheaval of reunification the government has been very successful.

The more anti-politics the message is, the more attractive it sounds.
Stating the bl**ding obvious after the expenses scandal.

The more liberating from the status quo a message sounds, the more inspiring it seems.
The LibDems have long had widespread support; the only thing that stopped their advance was the “wasted vote” syndrome. Clegg’s performance last week has changed that. For decades much of the electorate was turned off by politicians so the prospect of throwing it all up in the air and seeing where it lands is appealing to many.

You and many here are too wedded to your carbonised beliefs, both political and religious to see the future as anything but a repeat of the past. I say “bring it on”.

22 April 2010 at 09:00  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

Jared Gaites said...

Those days of ideology are finished.


22 April 2010 at 09:02  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...


It may seem 'Great' at the moment because we have been raked by years of flim flam. But the days will come when someone stands up and speaks and the people will hear.

22 April 2010 at 09:07  
Blogger Little Black Sambo said...

"You and many here are too wedded to your carbonised beliefs ...

Not exactly lacking in self-esteem, are we?

22 April 2010 at 09:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From David Lonsdale

The nation has turned its back on God. He will give them the government they deserve. We are heading for inexorable decline and subsummation into a Federal Europe.
When God was in the hearts of our people Britain was the mightiest nation in the world. We are now a vassal state of Europe. The beer will flow and the circuses will perform as the chains of servitude enmesh us, until, like the children of Israel in Egypt, the people cry out to God.
In the meantime, sit back, relax and watch the show.

22 April 2010 at 09:14  
Blogger Ingenieur said...

GD said, "to say there is no difference between the parties is nonsense".

But ....
Vote Cameron, get Rumpoy,
Vote Brown, get Rumpoy,
Vote Clegg, get Rumpoy.

All three main parties are sold out to Brussels and are jointly responsible for denying the British people the referendum we were promised and are owed.

Sorry GD, but there is no difference.

The only way to make a difference in this election is to vote for the candidate in your consituency most likely to succeed from among Ukip, BNP, English Democrats and eurosceptic Independents.

22 April 2010 at 09:17  
Anonymous graham Wood said...

The Conservative Party once had an identifiable ideology, but that no longer exists under DC, and the electorate are consequently at a loss to know what the party stands for.
I cannot do better than quote Gerald Warner of the DT:

(he lists potential election winning policies, and continues:

".....include the abolition of 90 per cent of quangos; the repeal by a single-clause Bill of all PC laws passed by Labour since 1997 as listed in an annexed schedule; an end of tinkering with the constitution but a Draconian crack-down instead on financial fraud by members of both Houses of Parliament with all offences criminalised; the scrapping of all proposed taxes, subsidies and other measures relating to the global warming myth; a referendum on the restoration of capital punishment; and the imposition of punitive sentencing for criminals, with victim status restored to the person against whom the offence was committed, instead of the perpetrator.

The tragedy is that any moderately competent Conservative leader offering such policies would now be within a couple of weeks of being swept to power on a landslide. Instead, Cameron and his clowns are fighting desperately for survival, after 13 years of the worst misrule Britain has ever experienced. They cannot organise a “fight-back” because they have no real policies beyond toy-town socialist fantasies such as “Big Society” (dear God!), no principles, no grounding in basic Conservative philosophy, no genuinely Tory instincts, no understanding of the people of this country and how they think and live.

The Vichy Tories live in a metropolitan cocoon, sharing a comfort zone of liberal-left political correctness with their supposed opponents in the other two main parties. They have used consensual complicity for half a century to frustrate the wishes of the nation on such issues as capital punishment and immigration. Mesmerised by the Great Charlatan Tony Blair, they imagined they could use the same marketing techniques to sell themselves into government. Dave has a masterly blueprint for winning the 1997 general election: in the 2010 contest he is hardly any longer a contender.

22 April 2010 at 09:20  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

Your analysis is correct. The mass of the people are ‘blind and deaf to neo-classical economics, hundreds of billions of debt and the issue of the European Union…’ and ‘Their antennae are attuned to personal taxation, education, health and the integrity and authenticity of the leader.’

When I speak to people who work in the public sector they seem unaware that their salaries are funded by taxation. They see the money as, oddly, somehow ‘washed’ as it is money from the Government.

They complain (some of them black and Asian) that they are having to move their children to another school because they fear their children’s education is being damaged because the mother tongue of other new pupils is not English – and yet they do not see that the issue of immigration is tied to European Union law: Britain’s borders stretch from Dublin in the west to Bucharest in the east; from Helsinki in the north to Athens in the south.

The females, I have spoken to, are voting for Clegg as ‘he’s a dishy looking bloke’ and the men feel that the Lib-Dems should be given a chance. When speaking with the women and asking them if they would vote for Cameron, oddly, they say ‘No’ because he ‘lied’ about having a referendum over membership of the European Union – and yet they do not even know (nor care) a thing about the European Union – it’s as if they feel Cameron has betrayed them personally (but none of them have had a relationship with Cameron).

One message from the voters is consistent: ‘They are all the same.’

I am unsure whether a hung parliament ‘might push the UK into a Greek-style fiscal maelstrom.’ Unlike Greece and Ireland we can devalue our currency. The Irish and the Greeks have a rope around their necks: the Euro. It is ‘not their currency’. They can no longer be referred to as ‘the Irish people’ or ‘the Greek people’. 'Full' membership of the European Union has ‘unpeopled’ them.

22 April 2010 at 09:27  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

Little Black Sambo

I have always been curious about your moniker and why you chose it. Is it a stand against political correctness?

As for self esteem, most here are confident of their own opinions but it is a blog and the cut and thrust of debate sometimes makes me seem rude as well as arrogant. Apologies if it offends. Face to face I am a more tolerant fellow.

22 April 2010 at 09:29  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

Ingenieur said...

Vote Cameron, get Rumpoy,

Rumpoy = Belgium = first country in EU to ban burkha = good?

22 April 2010 at 09:43  
Blogger Gnostic said...

I'll certainly be protesting with my vote, Your Grace. Hopefully the 7th May fallout will see conservatives reclaiming their party when Cameron and his band of Labour-lite, political pygmies get the boot.

The good ship HMS UK is heading to the Isle of Bankruptcy with billowing sails and a strong following wind, shipping water as it goes. All three so called "leaders" are acting like the rudder's fallen off and seem incapable of steering the ship away from the rocks. They have charts, oh yes we see plenty of them, but they have titles such as "Big Society", "EU" and "AGW". All these need shoving off a plank. What's missing is the chart to get us out of this sea of sh*t we're sailing before we hit the rocks and become a repeat of the recent Greek tragedy. Not one of the Big Three (hah!) have this chart.

Therefore I'll vote for the people who are actually representing something akin to the true conservative ideal and are not afraid to talk the necessary talk and point to the herd of noisy elephants in the room. Which is UKIP of course.

Unless Cameron experiences a Damascene moment and sees sense, which is unlikely this close to the election, I cannot and will not vote Tory, a party that has wilfully disenfranchised its core voters in order to embrace socialist ideals. I mean, Your Grace, what else is this "Big Society" BS all about? Where is "Big Axe" to cut all that wasteful spending? And I'm not talking about the 12 billion pound penknife Cameron is currently wielding.

Gerald Warner got it right yesterday. He understands. Why can't Cameron?

22 April 2010 at 09:47  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

The only way to make a difference in this election is to vote for the candidate in your consituency most likely to succeed from among Ukip, BNP, English Democrats and eurosceptic Independents

Or The Christian Party of Wales

Check out their manifesto

22 April 2010 at 09:58  
Blogger English Viking said...

Graham Davis,

You said 'Vichy Tories'.


22 April 2010 at 10:14  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Your Grace, it seems you have friends in high places in the Conservative court. It's too late to school Dave on questions but here are two that he should ask of Clegg:
a) would you consider returning Gibraltar to Spain?
b) how do you see the economic hegemony of Germany within the EU affecting the UK's position in Europe?

Dave will blows the debate if he is trapped by his own duplicity regarding the treaty of Lisbon referendum, but I guess Oliver Letwin has gamed the likely questions.

What does concern me is the aftermath if Dave fails on 6th May. In my view there is only one electable Old Etonian in the UK, Boris Johnson. His appearance on 'Who do you think you are' seems to have won him support even in the white working class. They consider him PM material.

And yet I hear voices calling for Soames if Dave deflates. Great Scott, are they completely mad? Draft Boris quick if les Cons can't live without the security blanket of an OE.

22 April 2010 at 10:16  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

Clegg has promised an ‘in or out’ referendum on the EU. It appears that he has a (C)leg(g) up on Cameron?

22 April 2010 at 10:30  
Anonymous Rebel Saint said...

YG, I'm not the only one who has picked up on the contradiction within your writing.

The parties have indeed decided "to focus on the ‘middle ground’, preaching banal and generic identical mantras of ‘change’ and ‘fairness’ in the ‘future’; offering almost identical programmes for government" So why shall we wake up and 'yearn' for something we cannot have. It is because we yearn that we are voting for something other than the usual suspects or not voting at all.

There is no other choice for those of us who wish to see ideas & philosphy being outworked but to vote for someone other than the lib/lab/con merry-go-round.

It is not the electorate who need to wake up as much as the politicians. The BNP & UKIP & Respect have a radical, philospical ideas - but anything outside the narrow confines of the 'middle ground' is daubed 'extreme' and starved of discussion or debate.

And the party system stifles all debate & discussion even within the party's.

So I'm voting for myself.

22 April 2010 at 10:46  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

The tories destroyed themselves years ago because they refused to address the issue of the eussr,it has haunted them ever since and pervented any evolution because the elephant is always for cleg offering a referendum,whats new ,every other party does and renegs once they have your vote,with all of them it is just more of the same.This whole fiasco is only a council election at best,with just different sticky fingers in the till,none of them can make any changes,having assumed a power that does not belong to them but to the British people,and given it to "foreign princes"against thier oath as privy councilors,they can not now plead "it wasnt me guv"

22 April 2010 at 11:04  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

Rebel Saint

With the advent of the internet Direct Democracy has become a real possibility but has also exposed the logical flaw in democracy itself. It will always end in the lowest common denominator. Representative democracy denies the most brutal and stupid opinions by electing a representative who will broadly follow the will of those who elected him but filtering out the extremes.

The advance of civilisation has depended on great thinkers and great doers guiding, cajoling and sometimes forcing the “people” to accept what in the long term may be in their best interests. What you offer is dangerous there are no checks and balances only the brute force of the majority.

22 April 2010 at 11:09  
Anonymous A Democratic U.K. said...

The LibDems are neither liberal or democratic and if the public continue to be gulled by the "saint" they will very quickly see the baleful influence of the aforementioned on daily life in this country. Libdem policies are even more intrusive on personal freedoms than Labour's.

22 April 2010 at 11:17  
Blogger Peter said...

Graham Davis said..."The advance of civilisation has depended on great thinkers and great doers guiding, cajoling and sometimes forcing the “people” to accept what in the long term may be in their best interests. What you offer is dangerous there are no checks and balances only the brute force of the majority."

I hope Your Grace will excuse a little self-indulgent diversion...

Mr Davis, what you say is succour to the political class (and the Eurocrats inparticular). They see themselves as "guiding, cajoling and sometimes forcing" us ignorant peasents to do what is right "for our own good".

You object to the brute force of the majority but presumably not to the brute force of the "great, benevolent" party whips or eurocrats?

If my proposal swings the pendulum too far in one direction it is only as a correcting measure for the pendulum being too far in the other.

22 April 2010 at 11:33  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...


It is always a question of degree but where are the checks and balances in what You/Rebel Saint propose?

22 April 2010 at 11:44  
Blogger Peter said...

Graham Davis said... "It is always a question of degree but where are the checks and balances in what You/Rebel Saint propose?"

The checks and balances are in the dilution of power. When power is concentrated in one person or one very small, elect group of people as it is at prestent their is real danger. When power is dispersed the checks and balances come because you have to convince a majority of people to think & act like you. You have to carry people with you.

22 April 2010 at 11:59  
Anonymous g said...


The classic example of your proposal is hanging. If the majority of people voted for it and it became law would you be happy with that?

22 April 2010 at 12:33  
Anonymous pedant said...

A trifle unfair to call all three mediocrities, Your Grace. Mr Cameron may grow in office: men often do, and so far in the election he has shown unexpected energy, readiness and courage which may indicate qualities of character of which he himself may be but dimly aware. Let's not rush to judgement.

Mr Clegg certainly appears to have many of the attributes of heaven-born mediocrity. But we can afford to wait and see. If he evicts Labour as one of the two main parties (which he might) he will have achieved something important for his country after all.

As for Mr Brown, he is anything but mediocre. He is truly awful. He has earned not only a place in history but in the psychology textbooks too. Generations yet unborn will look at their tax deductions and curse Kirkaldy's booming, boasting Salvator Mundi. Ecce homo! Is he not a tragic monster, a monument to the pathetic inadequacy of good intentions and to the imbecility of desperate ambition without a shred of self-knowledge, compared with whom Mr Blair was and is a mere mincing permatanned pigmy?

"Hush my baby," mothers will coo a hundred years from now, "hush or GORDON will come and smile at you!"

22 April 2010 at 12:33  
Blogger Peter said...

g said..."Peter... The classic example of your proposal is hanging. If the majority of people voted for it and it became law would you be happy with that?

Yes! Not a contencious one at all as far as I'm concerned.

More problematic for me - and far more likely given the constituency - is issues regarding sharia law. But if people can't be arsed to vote against it then we get what we deserve.

The main objection to Direct Democracy appears to be, "What if people vote in favour of things I think are wrong"? Well, if you're convinced they're wrong convince enough people and get them to vote against it. At leat this way you get some opportunity to do something. If a political party decides they want to introduce something that is 'wrong' you can do sod all about it.

22 April 2010 at 12:42  
Blogger The Merry Man said...

Your grace said-But when the people wake up to the reality, they will yearn for the era when politics was about ideas and philosophy was debated.

No your grace,most voters believed politics was about ideas and philosophy,it was a rude awakening when we realized it was about lies,theft,fraud, spin,greed,and worse.

22 April 2010 at 13:07  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...


So without the checks and balances we could have:

Age of consent for sex lowered to 14
Right to carry knives for protection
Trial without a jury
Abortion on demand
Free air travel paid for by the State
Dog fighting
Adopt the Euro
Right for vigilantes to kill sex offenders

Any of these sound good to you?

22 April 2010 at 14:00  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

How did a non-entity like Nick Clegg (whom most people could not recognise) suddenly rise to become the people’s knight in shining armour? Let’s face it, the television debate was carefully manipulated; the audience was told to shut its collective gob, all three leaders sprayed the audience with utter vacuous nonsense without being challenged and not a single issue was explored in depth.

So, from now on the great British public are no longer to challenge and carefully examine parties’ political ideas, and are instead simply to receive political slogans and sound bites.

Even the fascist Eurocrats would not dare to have dreamed to transform political dialogue between a people and their leaders into a situation where the people are not only effectively silenced – but only allowed to ‘speak’ once every five years.

It is the fascist Eurocrats who want to eliminate democracy. That is why we have EU Commissioners with all the power and elected Members of the European Parliament with no power.

This is madness. It cannot be sustained. Its like observing an insect which has burrowed into the body of an animal and is eating the animal from the inside.

22 April 2010 at 14:10  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Graham Davis said... "So without the checks and balances we could have: ... [list of things unacceptable to you] ... Any of these sound good to you?"

None of them sound good to me. So I would vote against them. So would lots of people - probably the majority.

Your problem is you think that you have a very low opinion of voters other than yourself. Other people are stupid & ignorant whereas you are clever and smart &and well informed.

If a political party wants to introduce them - or, more likely, the EU - you're stuffed. There's NOTHING you can do about it. With direct democracy you can.

What if someone wants to print more money?
What if someone wants to let criminals out of prison early?
What is someone wants to be able to detain you without trial for 3 months?
What is someone wants to open up our borders to anyone who wants to come?
What if someone wants to force you to accomodate a gay couple in your bedroom?
What if someone wants to teach your 7 year old child about intimate sexual acts?
What if someone wants to give our right to self-goverment to an unelected foreign body?

... oh yeh, that's what we already have. Where are the checks and balances in your system? What can you do about it?

22 April 2010 at 14:26  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

Rebel Saint

None of them sound good to me. So I would vote against them

But your system could not stop them whereas representative democracy can.

You surely would concede that yours is an extremists charter?

22 April 2010 at 14:47  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Graham Davis : re' Belgium and the burkha....yes, 'brave little Belgium' has done, or about to do, the right thing. I for one am not interested in being tolerant towards the wholly intollerant. Let's not kid ourselves, eventually it will be 'us' or 'them'.....and it ain't going to be me or mine!

22 April 2010 at 15:43  
Anonymous Oswin said...

that's just the one 't' ....

22 April 2010 at 15:45  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Graham Davis said..."But your system could not stop them whereas representative democracy can."

No it can't - as I think I illustrated. And is that the role of democatic process, to stop people getting what they want?

"You surely would concede that yours is an extremists charter?"

No I don't. Look at the #10 petition site ... you don't see many extreme proposals on it. Most things are incredibly sensible.

Direct democracy simply swings the pendulum of power to the antipodean
point of where it is now.

What we have now is also an extremeist's charter. Who can stop the EU commissioners doing whatever the hell they like? Who can stop any of the 2,500 laws that Labour have introduced by statory instrument (i.e. without 'debate' or vote)?

22 April 2010 at 15:58  
Blogger English Viking said...


Nor me or mine.

PS your 't's' are fine, it's your 'l's!

22 April 2010 at 16:16  
Anonymous Voyager said...

If there is a hung Parliament there will be a second election...and if the LibDems fight that under FPTP they will be discredited.

It will keep politicians anxious less any subtle shifts reduce their parties to insignificance.

Cameron is advised by LibDem voter Steve Hilton and has sounded like a LibDem Green for the past 4 years.

Fortunately I have an excellent local MP and shall vote for him next week, but not for any of the Councillors.....

I am relaxed abut the LibDems doing well probably because I do not think Osborne or Cameron suited to govern us...too much Blair....and that was the root of so many of our current problems.

22 April 2010 at 16:54  
Anonymous Oswin said...

English Viking it it, ta!
Don't know me t's from me l's...tut...I'll be dribbling next!

22 April 2010 at 17:02  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Gawd, that's wrong too....I'm giving up!

22 April 2010 at 17:03  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Look chaps this is madness; all we are doing is sub-dividing the right-of-centre vote.

Cameron is going to halt further integration into the EU's federal structure.

No other party is going to do that. Think about it: we risk five more years of Socialism and the importation of the new European Evidence Warrant. The Conservatives' Bill of Rights will stop that.

Cameron is the lesser of all evils.

If the Socialists get in provisions in the EU's Charter of Fundamental Rights will close this website down if it publishes anyhing that is critical of the EU.

The Conservatives are far less ideologically driven than the other parties: that means they are more vunerable to criticism triggering change.

Don't burn our country lads by voting for the other parties. Don't do this.

Put your country first rather than revenge.

Recall now what the great Roman philosopher Seneca said: 'Anger is madness.'

22 April 2010 at 17:08  
Blogger D. Singh said...

‘Vengeance is mine’: saith the Lord.

22 April 2010 at 17:28  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Your grace takes a view on part of the process , Mr graham davies hoots with joy at the end of ideaology , free to do whatever he wants .Of course he supports choice , or the choice that is offered at any rate and there in lies Mr Davies Dilemma , for if the ideaologies are not indoctrinating you what is ?? fuzzy leftest collectivism , social networks , the desire to have the most magic orbs on world of warcraft , teaching sex to children .
At best it is displacement rather than end .

But to tonights gripping version of saturday wrestling , i am still waiting for an old lady to appear waving her umberella in rage, as one of the contestents is being punched out of sight of the ref , or the special iron cluker move , or tag team events . The forces of good and evil are at play, will kendo cleggasaki be unmasked as a barry who sells political icecreams in the summer , will the debt leviathon crush his opponents with his feigning weakness , or will the deft witney warrior get a full nelson on and a submission .

lets just hope the poor voter actually gets to see , whos telling the truth and who can see who has sent this country into ruin , bankcruptcy and moral decay while they enjoyed expenses .

A protest vote does not work to remove the corruption , labour must be treated to the justice of wasting our future and tangaible wealth and the libs offer nothing different , so i hope at least there is protest on both of there socialist houses .

We do not need a hung parliament , or nurse clegg , we want the party that knows how we have been duped and will put all the errors of running a corpratist banking society , with a parliament inconveiently attached to it.

22 April 2010 at 17:39  
Anonymous Caroline Thompson said...

Why has Cramner spent the last week on articles about clegg and the liberals? Is Tory high command that worried about the liberal surge? At the start of the election his grace was suggesting that the liberals were not worthy of note because it was a tory/labour fight?

22 April 2010 at 18:28  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

D. Singh said ... "Look chaps this is madness; all we are doing is sub-dividing the right-of-centre vote ... Cameron is the lesser of all evils."

Is that it? Is that the best we can do? He'll thrown away less liberties than the rest of them. He'll support less immorality than the rest of them.

The whole system is broken. Who we vote for is merely rearranging the political deckchairs on the Titanic. If we're going anyway there's some sense almost in saying let's get it over and done with.

Don't vote conservative because they're not quite as bad as the others. Vote for a party who you believe in, who are offering not just to slow down the rate of decay but to turn aorund and go in a differnt direction altogether - political repentence.

Vote for someone you believe in or don't vote at all. "Tactical" voting is merely a wasted vote.

22 April 2010 at 18:28  
Anonymous J. Michael Straczynski said...

Hmmm, I might vote liberal because there is something which is nagging at me about letting Cameron in with a majority. There is something which I cannot put my finger on, which makes me distrustful of him. Even though I don't like Brown or Clegg.

Does anyone else feel the same way?

22 April 2010 at 18:30  
Anonymous The Naughty Step said...

"Look chaps this is madness; all we are doing is sub-dividing the right-of-centre vote."

What a load of patronising rot. Cameron is a career politician, who is no better than the rest. His campaign has fallen flat on its face. And this from the man, who the tories thought would be another tony blair....

22 April 2010 at 18:32  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

Your Grace - as I think several other communicants have already mentioned variously, the outcome of the "general election" is of little consequence in the real world since the eu is still there, making 80% of our law. Why doesn't the BBC mention this (silly, question, since everyone on this blog must surely know the answer to that)

Admittedly I'd be miffed to have a Liberal government, because the eurofanatic party will be wanting the euro immediately, and they will also give us another 600,000 UK citizens in the shape of the illegals and failed asylum seekers (what message does that send out, for heavens sakes, apart from the UK PLC is a soft touch...break the law, and get to stay on here anyway, plus benefits....) but apart from such petty annoyances, nothing will change.

But as someone said, we could even get to ban the burqa if we agree to let Belgium take us over. Seems a high price, though

22 April 2010 at 19:12  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Old Maggie brought the poll tax back from the days of Chaucer, now Cameron calls for a 'BIG' Society, strange since in Watt Tylers age the call went out for a 'GREAT' Society.

Today you can sign up for a Crusade, in medieval times you could sign up for a Crusade.

Talk about running out of ideas, we have had a millenia of the same policies being rehashed.

I drove through an area the other day, I know from old as a rather affluent, traditional tory stronghold, only to be shocked at the vote labour signs outside.

Then the local school poured out and I was witness to multitudes of muslim children. Piling into the front doors of this once affluent white tory stronghold.

This Country is done for your Grace, its a memory until the generation who knew it are lost forever.

Middle of a downturn and desperate white tories had for sale signs up, clammering to escape the area.

I enjoy reading your death rattle posts though.

Signed: Freda Payne

22 April 2010 at 19:36  
Anonymous len said...

Power has been transferred to Brussels,I don`t think we have got the hang of that yet.
All we need are some bureaucrats to rubber stamp whatever their masters send them.
This transfer of power is being done by stealth by a small group of elites who are slowly gaining control.
Multiculturalism, mass immigration, restrictions on freedom of speech, are used to break down the old order so the EUrocrats can rebuild their empire
in their image.
Newspeak is the language of the E U, positively Orwellian.

22 April 2010 at 20:27  
Anonymous no nonny said...

Yes, Len.

Meanwhile henchmen in the media debase both the strength of character that we exported to the US - and that which we associate with the White Cliffs.

May perpetual squadrons of bluebirds fly over: and may they drop their ammunition in the appropriate areas.

22 April 2010 at 21:39  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Len, with respect, power initially transferred to Brussels but has since moved to Berlin. You will note that all decisions relating to the Greek debt crisis are referred to the German government. No rescue plan for Greece is effective without German support - so far witheld. Germany is the undisputed economic power in Europe and is in the process of translating that economic power into political power.

Germany requires British support on the international stage because British foreign policy is configured on a global basis. Post world War 2, Germany foreign policy has been parochial. Hence the appointment of Baroness Ashton as EU foreign minister. The German press is now running a campaign against Ashton on the basis of her incompetence. It is proposed that David Miliband replace her.

All German moves are done within the umbrella of the EU, which provides the cloak of respectability. Continued British membership of the EU implies complete trust in Germany. One thing may become clear, the Germans are not too keen on Third World immigration. They believe in ius sanguinis.

Did our fathers and grandfathers fight for this?

22 April 2010 at 22:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

both yougov and comres are showing different results!

22 April 2010 at 22:29  
OpenID manicbeancounter said...

We have too many pharisees in our public life. Too many who create the rules and make great play in demonstrating our need for even greater rules. There is no party that had the compassionate dogmas of love, forgiveness and understanding that will heal our nation.
This Nation has been greviously sinned against by its politicians - not through the expenses scandal, but through pretending that debt was not a problem. They have also encouraged hatred and boasting and making misleading the public an artform.

22 April 2010 at 23:25  
Anonymous no nonny said...

Well said, bluedog. I've been asking for ages why all our international mail has to go through Germany.

And Miliband, of course, isn't really British. His loyalties are informed by euro communists.

22 April 2010 at 23:29  
Anonymous John Knox said...

Decline. It is quite interesting to note that from the time David Cameron began to court the homolobby, the conservative lead has dropped dramatically. New Torry presents a bit more tolerant towards Christianity than New Labour, but the public waited in vain for a return to a conservative ethos that reflects values that would make a lasting difference to England.

Most people are just plain disillusioned with politics. Just like everywhere at the moment.

Most European populations voted against Europe, but it continues in greater force despite the will of the people.

In America hardly anyone trusts the federal government. Many are outraged. Response of people like Clinton and Obama: extend the powers of federal governement even further and crack down on possible unrest. Propose another pro-abortionist for the supreme court. Yes take our eyes from the real causes: you politicians, not the disgruntled. There might be a reason most people over there think the federal government 'stinks'. Rather do something about it instead of reviving senator McCarthy's strategies and grabbing even more power for your incompentency to thrive on.

Democracy has been replaced by a totalitarian system of secular humanism. Are orthodox protestants and roman catholics going to be excluded from the cabinet because they disapprove of homosexual practice or abortion? Welcome in the EU with governor Cameron under president Van Rompaay!?...

David Cameron will have to prove to his voters that his appraoch isn't just a cheap right wing variant of the same thing. A power grab of another politician who rides the tide, gaining power and status and making a buck.

23 April 2010 at 01:12  
Anonymous Geoff M said...

If the outcome is a hung Parliament then we have the opportunity to rid ourselves of Scotland and its Labour MP's, get a thorough review of the voting mix that is currently gerrymandered to favour Labour and allow the rise of other Parties who, as a result of the current duopoly, are excluded - along with their supporters.

If we can break the mould then there is a chance that the British people can be heard again; that the minorities cannot dominate the majority. New political forces can rise up and receive their full measure of power rather than, as at present, be stifled by the "first past the post" system which causes people to vote against, rather than for, Parties..

That prospect is causing the "Establishment" to crap itself.

23 April 2010 at 07:05  
Anonymous len said...

Imagin a small group of men who wanted to impose a collection of totally undemocratic laws on the population,there would be an outcry and opposition.
But this is what is happening in the E U.
It is done under the cover of 'newspeak'.
A Totalitarian state is being built in Europe by stealth.
What is your vote actually worth?

23 April 2010 at 07:21  
Anonymous Oswin said...

If there has to be a 'protest' vote; then for Gawd's sake let it be UKIP! Any protesting that leads to an 'X' for the Lib-Dems is a suicidal vote, hurtling us all into something worse than the 'unknown' - as some of us have a fair idea of the hell that would await us! These latter-day 'commies' would sell our collective souls to the devil and call it progress!

I know that many regard a 'UKIP' vote as being potentially divisive re' the Tory vote....but where else might a true patriot go???

23 April 2010 at 18:59  

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