Monday, April 26, 2010

UKIP to form coalition government with BNP

It is now almost universally accepted that the UK is heading inexorably towards a hung parliament. Even if the Conservatives win the most votes, Labour could still take the most seats, leaving the Liberal Democrats with a moral argument for bestowing the crown upon the head of the leader of whichever party offered them the most... which is likely to include a demand for PR, appointing Vince Cable as Chancellor and something very meaty indeed for Nick Clegg.

According to the received wisdom, the surge for the Liberal Democrats is due to them attracting the 'anti-politics' vote.

Cranmer is not so sure.

Why would the British people deposit their collective protest vote into the ballot box hands for another banal mediocrity who is promising even more of more-of-the-same? He may deride the Conservatives and Labour for being 'the old parties', but the Liberals have a heritage which predates Labour, and you couldn't get much older than yet another high-taxing, high-spending, centralising, statist, europhile party.

And that is what the Liberal Democrats are.

No. If the British people were to protest in revolutionary terms, with their customary 'glorious' and bloodless zeal, they would vote for real 'anti-political' outsiders - like millions did during the Euro elections last year. When UKIP came second, and the BNP vote soared in Labour heartlands, that ought to have sent a very clear message to all three 'mainstream' political parties: the electorate has concerns which you are failing to address.

It didn't.

Sadly, Screaming Lord Sutch and his Official Monster Raving Loony Party are no more. Perhaps that is a good thing, for if he were alive today, he would be in with as good a chance of entering Downing Street as H'Angus the monkey had of winning the mayoralty of Hartlepool.

Dissenting Tories tend to cast their protest vote for UKIP; in the Euro election, we saw tens of thousands of disaffected Labour supporters cast their votes for the BNP. The Liberal Democrats were not the beneficiaries of the 2009 anti-politics protest. And Dan Hannan is incredulous that they should be now.

He notes the exasperation of an electorate depressed by the omnipotence of the EU and despondent over uncontrollable immigration, and wonders why sensible, discerning and intelligent people would ever cast their votes for the most pro-Brussels party which also happens to want an amnesty for all illegal immigrants who have managed to evade deportation for ten years.

The only parties which are prioritising these policies are UKIP and the BNP. UKIP favour British withdrawal from the EU and have become increasingly vocal about Muslims and burkas; the BNP also favour British withdrawal from the EU and have a rather robust immigration policy of 'No more - we're full'. Frankly, the policies of these parties on health, education, transport, defence and criminal justice have never been scrutinised, but it's a fair bet that they wouldn't be too divergent. Since UKIP are of the 'right' and the BNP of the 'left', there are a few differences over taxation and the economy. But so there are between the Conservatives and the LibDems, and between Labour and the LibDems.

And yet neither Gordon Brown nor David Cameron has ruled out a coalition with Nick Clegg, however repulsed they may be by the very thought.

So, perhaps Lord Pearson and Nick Griffin should also set aside their ideological differences (which are nowhere near as diametrically opposed to each other as those of the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats) and prepare for a coalition government. Since the 'Cleggmania' phenomenon has been fabricated by the media, and since Mr Griffin and Lord Pearson have been denied their leaders' debates, they need to do something to garner the very considerable support both achieved last year, sidelined, as both are, by media conspiracy.

David Cameron is right to offer 'change'. But as long as the electorate don't quite 'get it', there is a risk that a plague of fatigue will descend upon both houses of the 'old parties'. Neither the BNP nor UKIP is palatable to millions for very many sound reasons, and only the misguided will vote for them in this General Election. But only a fool would cast their 'anti-politics' protest vote for the Liberal Democrats. A hung parliament may be a novelty, but there is no surer way of ensuring more of the same.


Anonymous A Democratic U.K. said...

I'm getting fed up with UKIP being constantly put in the same category as the appalling BNP just because they both want to say bye bye to the European Union - or whatever they are calling it these days!!!!!!!

26 April 2010 at 13:21  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr A Democrat UK,

Both UKIP and the BNP are political parties contesting seats in the British General Election of 2010.

They may both, therefore, be conveniently categorised as such.

26 April 2010 at 13:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interestingly the BNP and UKIP can not make real headway until we have proportional representation. When we have that, people will flock to the small parties just to get away from the Lib/Lab/Con axis which rules our miserable lives and produces such aweful corruption. As you imply, Clegg seems to be trying to reposition behind a thick smokescreen of pretending to be different.

26 April 2010 at 13:34  
Blogger English Viking said...

Mr A Democrat,

I'm getting fed up with people who agree with BNP policies prefacing their statements about anything with the words 'the appalling BNP', or some such similar. You'll soon be telling me that some of your best friends are black.

26 April 2010 at 13:34  
Anonymous Zach Johnstone said...

Your Grace,

You highlight the fact that the BNP and UKIP were the main beneficiaries of the 'anti-politics' mood at the Euro election, and this is undoubtedly accurate. My personal opinion is, however, that the Lib Dems have gained ground owing precisely to this same sentiment. But I would make one point...

It is true that one can scarcely imagine a more ‘Establishment’ party than the Lib Dems. But their surge was never about policy; it is about projecting the image of a party with integrity and candour to an audience disenchanted by the perceived duplicity of both the Conservatives and Labour over the past thirty or so years. For this, the Lib Dems owe much to the Leaders’ debates – in the absence of these, I think Cameron would have battled on to a majority, with protests limited (as has been the case in recent years) to a slight influx in the BNP/UKIP/Green vote. Instead, what people have seen in the Lib Dems is a party of which they previously knew little, with a real chance of holding the balance of power in the next Parliament. The fact that many of the Lib Dems’ policies go against the grain of public opinion matters little in a climate in which nobody expects politicians to act upon their pledges anyway. To you and I, ‘Establishment’ has an historical context; but to those for whom politics is of little consequence save for one day every five years, it means ‘what I’m used to seeing’. And what the public are used to seeing is two parties seemingly regaling on their pledges left, right and centre. The current manifestation of the Liberals are untested in government, and to the detriment of both our two-party system and to our country’s best interests, this superficial purity looks like it will be enough to condemn us to a government of compromise and concession.

26 April 2010 at 13:49  
Blogger Peter said...

Archbishop Cranmer said..."Neither the BNP nor UKIP is palatable to millions for very many sound reasons, and only the misguided will vote for them in this General Election"

YG, on this your are both patronising and completely wrong. Only the misguided will vote for another ride on the Lib/Lab/Con merry-go-round.

One definition of a fool is someone who keeps trying exactly the same thing but expecting different results. Voting Lib/Lab/Con is destroying our nation, our economy, our heritage, our freedom, our democracy. Voting the same way again isn't going to produce different results.

This man is spot on for my money.

And if you're in Bradford East, this particularly handsome man, is your best bet ;o)

Looking forward to the return of your normal erudite self!

26 April 2010 at 13:51  
Anonymous Elliot Kane said...

I think the real problem is that most people are so completely disaffected by the Conservative and Labour parties that they'll vote Lib Dem simply because it will give the 'big two' a bloody nose and hopefully shake up the political system. Because let's be honest, it NEEDS a huge shake up. Parliament is vastly too complacent and self-satisfied. The expenses scandals were a symptom of far deeper rot, not a cause in and of themselves.

If no party that can get even the slightest whiff of power pays any attention at all to the electorate (And let's face it, they don't) then the choice is either to vote for the lesser of two evils (Whichever each voter may perceive it to be) or to lob the biggest grenade you can find at the system.

Nick Clegg has managed to reinvent the Lib Dems as the biggest available grenade. It's as simple as that, for most.

The appeal is not really for Clegg or the Lib Dems, but for any escape from the system as it currently stands; anything that may actually get the main parties to listen.

26 April 2010 at 13:57  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

Cranmer said...
Since the 'Cleggmania' phenomenon has been fabricated by the media...

Oh come on Cranny, the polls along with personal anecdotal evidence showed that Clegg “won” the first debate by a mile. Nothing was fabricated by the media except perhaps the Tory press slurs on Clegg.

But only a fool would cast their 'anti-politics' protest vote for the Liberal Democrats

You have an endearing regard for the British voter. Whilst perhaps not fools, most will happily give their vote to any of the parties based on a scant amount of knowledge of their policies. The “protest” vote is a just reward for a party that has been kept out of government by a blatantly unfair system. The electorate fools or not are now giving the Tories and Labour the kicking that they deserve.

PS I am not a LibDem supporter

26 April 2010 at 14:03  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

A thoughtful and dispassionate summary, Your Grace. Regarding your categorization of the BNP as left-wing, Iain Dale made a similar point to Nick Griffin in this interview. Griffin replied:

❛You can’t place us on the political spectrum. That’s quite often been the case with nationalism. On traditional social things, we’re on the old traditional right wing of the Conservative Party. On the other hand, on some economic things, on the railways, or natural monopolies, such as the Post Office, we think they should remain in the hands of the state. So that puts us well on the left. We’re certainly not state capitalists or Marxists.❜

Having read a summary of the BNP manifesto and looked at the full document, it strikes me as a right-wing programme (capital punishment and a penal colony on South Georgia being obvious examples) but it’s the anti-globalization stance of putting Britain and her people first that differentiates the BNP from mainstream politics.

I wish UKIP well next week—I’ll be voting for it in the absence of a BNP candidate—but I believe it’s only the BNP that has the bloody-mindedness to do whatever is needed to defend the British way of life, particularly against Islam. Between the gentlemanly Lord Pearson and the rough-and-ready Nick Griffin, it’s the latter who would deliver.

26 April 2010 at 14:08  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Graham Davies,

You have an uncanny ability for inferring the most skewed meaning from His Grace's words.

Of course Nick Clegg 'won' the first debate: that is not in dispute and nowhere denied in this post. The 'Cleggmania' phenomenon was fabricated to the extent that it was a media decision to permit him to participate in the first place. In fact, the effect of this will make it very difficult for the media to argue against including the leaders of UKIP and the BNP in future debates: there is no minimum threshold of voter support or number of elected representatives.

And as for your sarcasm about His Grace's views on the electorate, it is difficult to see how an 'anti-politics' vote could reasonably be given to a mainstream political party: it defies logic.

26 April 2010 at 14:12  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Spiegel magazine has an article about Nick Griffin in Barking and how the Establishment betrayed the local populace. The Class Politicis which states Conservatives vote UKIP and Labour voters choose BNP is wishful thinking and reflects the limited intellectual grasp of the British mind.

There is simply nothing about the Establishment parties that appeals - they have done their deals on tuition fees, EU, taxation, immigration - before the election.

The only parties favouring Grammar Schools are BNP and UKIP; the only ones believing the country to be congested are BNP and UKIP. Bradford has a higher population density than the Gaza Strip...but not one of the Labour MPs there has done anything to get more roads, more funding, more facilities.

The simple truth is that Politics is irrelevant, a busted 1960s love affair of privileged youth which has run into the sands of despair.

The Greek Tragedy is unfolding and will lead to the collapse of Portugal and Italy...there is nothing politicians can is inexorable. They can cut spending and means-test state pensions, but they cannot halt the tide of bankruptcy or the meltdown of banks. They have used their powder.

So BNP, UKIP, New Con, Old Con, LibDem, Labour, SNP. PC, UUP, DUP, SF, are all irrelevant...the problems are far far bigger and there is no prospect of a general war to submerge the culpability of politicians for bringing the world to the edge of ruin as in the 1920s.

26 April 2010 at 14:17  
Blogger Defender of Liberty said...

Your grace,

The old Left / Right Paradigm is dead.

New Labour started an Oil Imperialism war, whilst the Tories now have scrapped meritocracy and imposed politically correct Cameronite Affirmative Action plans for his token tory ethnics, lesbians, women and gays.

The Tories are now PC anti-white racists and New Labour accomplices to US oil imperialism and genocide.

Today you are either Nationalists who put the British people, British workers, British companies and British culture first or you are a globalist.

UKIP want us out of the EU and subservient to the US - which as the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles show us, is not a good place to be.

What is the point of saving the pound but making us slaves to the dollar ?

On political correctness and immigration and cringing before the 'anti-racist Red Guards' UKIP are as weak as all the others.

Only the BNP are immune to the poison of political correctness.

The BNP will keep their promises, as only the BNP are not indebted to the Liberal Establishment or wish to join it.

UKIP want to BECOME the Establishment, whilst the BNP want to eradicate it and the vile Liberal Social Consensus that dominates it.

If you want change you have to vote for those outside the system - voting for those within it cannot change a thing.

All that happens is that the government stays in power, regardless of whatever political party is elected.

26 April 2010 at 14:25  
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26 April 2010 at 15:22  
Blogger David Wheeler said...

This election is about who not to vote for. That is becoming obvious. I started ABL, because of their lies and corruption. Then it was ABC for much the same reasons. The Lib Dems are too wet to consider.
Together with much of the thinking electorate I am violently anti-EU. Many people are waking up to the terrifying potential of that horrible monster.
That leaves UKIP and the BNP, and my preference is for UKIP.
One of the advantages of UKIP has been the complete media blackout. All the other parties have been hurling mud at each other, and most of it has stuck!

But watch the media - all of them. They are part of much bigger far more evil empire - to be found here. and these are also the people behind the EU.

David Wheeler.

26 April 2010 at 15:26  
Anonymous Jonny Rose said...

Archbishop - we'd be honoured if you raise the profile our hastily-formed party in anyway you see fit...

VOTE HAPPY CHURCH and big up yourself in Christ x

26 April 2010 at 15:27  
Anonymous Graham Davis said...

Archbishop Cranmer said...

Of course Nick Clegg 'won' the first debate: that is not in dispute and nowhere denied in this post. The 'Cleggmania' phenomenon was fabricated to the extent that it was a media decision to permit him to participate in the first place. In fact, the effect of this will make it very difficult for the media to argue against including the leaders of UKIP and the BNP in future debates: there is no minimum threshold of voter support or number of elected representatives.

As you pointed out the Liberal tradition is older than that of Labour and the current LibDem party has consistently received a far greater percentage of the popular vote than UKIP or BNP and so it seams reasonable that they should be included in any Leaders debate.

And as for your sarcasm about His Grace's views on the electorate, it is difficult to see how an 'anti-politics' vote could reasonably be given to a mainstream political party: it defies logic.

I agree that my comment was not well expressed. However either the electorate are fools to regard a LibDem vote as ‘anti political’ or they are astute enough to realise that it is not and I am not sure which view you are advancing. My point is that the unfairness of the current system is conflated with an ‘anti political’ agenda and as the LibDems have been the ones to be disadvantaged by the current electoral system they have received the support.

26 April 2010 at 16:04  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

And fellow posters. Cameron will form a coalition government with the Lib-Dems. He will be a tenant at 10 Downing Street on an Assured Short-hold Tenancy.

Soon a man will emerge who will go on to rule this country with a ‘rod of iron’.

That is what we deserve and that is what we will get.

Still, it needn't be like this; if only the Conservative party had been: conservative.

26 April 2010 at 16:39  
Blogger D. Singh said...

'Then the Lord showed me a large lion – and He said – “This lion represents the nation of Great Britain” – And it was a shocking sight – for where the lion should have been filled out and sleek and gleaming – it was almost a skeleton – and its mane was barely visible – and its coat was covered in mange – and its roar which should have shaken the nations in its power and in its ferocity was strangled and barely audible. And the Lord said “This represents both the glory of this nation at present and the state of My church as a whole in Great Britain. And I saw in great letters – the words –


The Journal of the Unknown Prophet

26 April 2010 at 17:00  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

A most enjoyable comment thread - the last two are slightly unhinged as usual but all in all quite good.

I live in Wales and the BNP and UKIP are both very thin on the ground. I have been looking at Plaid Cymru who seem to have some good ideas and a fairly good track record of looking after things here in Wales. So, all though I am still not 100%, it does seem that I will put my X in Plaid's box. As for the rest of the Tossers, well they can rot in hell in the big arshole party they all deserve.

26 April 2010 at 17:16  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Gaites

You are a man that the King died for.



Write like a knight of faith upon this chequered board of nights and days.

26 April 2010 at 17:35  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...


26 April 2010 at 17:40  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

BTW Your Grace, I love it when a plan comes together, it's like the sweet smell of napalm in the morning!

26 April 2010 at 17:43  
Blogger Gnostic said...

A theoretical UKIP/BNP alliance? Your Grace, may I suggest you imbibe a less robust wine with your meal? Or at least refrain from offering outrageous speculation to us dissenters who are extremely piddled off with the Cameronistas.


26 April 2010 at 17:44  
Blogger D. Singh said...

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26 April 2010 at 17:48  
Blogger D. Singh said...

"I love the smell of napalm in the morning, you know one time we had a hill bomb, 12 hours. When it was all over I walked up, we didn't find one of them, not one stinking dink body. Smell, that gasoline smell, smells like... Victory."

Col. Kilgore, Apocalypse Now!

26 April 2010 at 17:51  
Anonymous Truthseeker said...

D Singh, do you know much about the background of the "Journal of the Unknown Prophet"? Can you read it online, or do you have to buy it?

26 April 2010 at 17:57  
Anonymous not a machine said...

your quite right ,in my view a protest vote for the lib dems , is no protest vote at all , yet while all the PR nonsense is being bandied about in a desperate bid to cover up for one of the most corrupt parliaments I have seen , it is worth pointing out that PR may deliver a Lib dem collabrative view (where soveriegnity is subverted) , but it may also propell UKIP and the BNP if the mood turns against the inabilities of a political class to understand the problems .
To some extent if the conservatives do win power they will inherit not only a debt producing economy , but an extraordinary asymetrical one , brought about by globalisation policies .
It is quite alarming that Labour have stacked the economy in such a way , that a prolonged recession is creating debt that will require a regenerative growth figure ,that is as unbelieveable as the debt figures themselves .
100,000 jobs in wind turbines and then what ?? 2.5 mn people are unemployed some from work sectors that have disaapeared . WE have a hardwired economy taking from a feeble producer side at an high rate , which is a stagnation at best , at worst a continuing high level of unemployment and services being priced out peoples pockets , and a fermeted benefit underclass.

The Labour ecnomic policy and legacy deserves them to be put out of office , it is a tradegy beyond this election , for which they have squirmed and spun foolish words to the electorate about an engineered fake boom , that was behind the scenes stripping out the productive economy of the working class and encourageing them into a credit boom debt to beautify the national economy .

The cost of the EU doesnt seem to be diminishing , so there is a turn against the Labour polices and its lies about a how a huge state clientel economy works , whilst the producer side suffers the withering ecnomics of globalisation and its goverment fed deal brokers .

Many are perhaps are angry ,at the Labour economic model , where it seems some people have made millions in overseeing a financial bust and in the end the tax payer has not only enabled the carve up , but will be asked to pay for the realignment due to its obvious failings .

Labour using tax payers money to create a bust, a massive debt and a benefits underclass will hopefully go down in history as one of the greatest frauds ever commited , I say fraud as it is beyond incompetance to have overseen this by a government .

A UKIP BNP coalition is one of those things that is pointing to a future question , the increase in there fortunes depends on those who still wish to peddle political fairy tales , for a living or are trembling infront of the oncomming trains headlights .

The basic right to earn is badly damaged , and our reserves and taxes have/are been spent propping up a decietful and failed economic model , and are being requested to sort it out , so it is no mistake that some people are not keen to trust anything that is spin or non reality measured , or the people that have talked rubbish as we all walked/were led up this tragic garden path, and that includes the Lib dems who even now are toying with Labour , like a child poking a rotting cow pat

26 April 2010 at 18:02  
Anonymous Adrian Peirson said...

We will never know of course but I wonder what effect the racist slur has on voting preferences.
How many people, fed up of the Marxist multi culti social engineering would like to vote British National Party but are afraid of the racist slurs and so vote UKIP.

Perhaps more importantly,
Has UKIP been set up precisely to do this, they appear oblivious to the demographic timebomb, they are civic Nationalists as opposed to ethnic Nationalists, IE as far as UKIP are concerned, anyone can come here and be British.
Their policy of Banning the Burkha will only make the demographics problem harder to see.

Lord Pearson recently offered to disban UKIP in return for a referendum on the EU.

My understanding on the EU is that under our Constitution, the surrender of Sovereighty is unlawfull and an act of treason.
A referendum would be like voting to legalize murder, except in this case the murder of a nation and a people.
Ukip seem not to understand what being British is about, it mean the British must survive.

26 April 2010 at 18:03  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Truthseeker

Ask and you shall receive.

Seek and you shall find.

Knock and it shall be opened.

Good hunting.

26 April 2010 at 18:07  
Anonymous Truthseeker said...

Mr Singh, no help at all, but thanks anyway

26 April 2010 at 18:15  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Truthseeker

Don't become a Judaeo-Christian.

Until you have assessed the cost. Until then, stay well away from it.

26 April 2010 at 18:19  
Anonymous len said...

Journal of the unknown prophet, author Wendy Alec,God channel, don`t seem to be able to read online.

26 April 2010 at 18:28  
Blogger Anglichan said...

Mr Truthseeker,
I have seen the so called 'journal of an unknown prophet' and it is full of apocalyptic mumbo-jumbo.

The Bible says that many false prophets have come into the world and Christians are to beware of them.

If you truly are a truthseeker, then I can recommend a website called Be careful though with anything on the internet. The Bible, rightly exegeted, is our only reliable guide into truth.

26 April 2010 at 18:29  
Anonymous Truthseeker said...

Mr Singh, who's to say that I'm not already a Judaeo-Christian?

26 April 2010 at 18:29  
Blogger Anglichan said...

That settles it for me. Wendy or Rory Alec/ God channel-definitely something to avoid.

Don't say I didn't warn you.

26 April 2010 at 18:31  
Anonymous Truthseeker said...

Mr Anglichan, thankyou

26 April 2010 at 18:33  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Truthseeker

I know this reads 'irregular'; you are not my responsibility. There may be a Judaeo-Christian, whom you do not yet know, praying for you.

The odd thing is this: Gaites is in my prayers and yet I don't even know him. And as I do not know him, why should his welfare be in my heart?

I wish I could be like Mr Preacher - I wish I could go home. But He won't let me.

26 April 2010 at 18:36  
Anonymous len said...

Good Advice from Mr Anglican,

Andrew Murray,and Watchman nee are particularly good.

26 April 2010 at 18:44  
Blogger fraser said...

What utter crap!

Your just another tory with you back against the wall trying to work out why Camaroon hasn't got the GE in the bag yet.

26 April 2010 at 18:46  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

But only a fool would cast their 'anti-politics' protest vote for the Liberal Democrats. A hung parliament may be a novelty, but there is no surer way of ensuring more of the same.

Not so much, more of the same. More, more of even worse.

We know I hope what the price of a Lib/Dem alliance would actually be. It would be none of the more popular Lib/Dem policies but all of the unpopular ones. Including such things as The Euro, losing what little remains of British independence to a EU unelectable dictatorship, and ever higher taxes of all kinds.

As for the BNP and UKIP.

PR could ultimately be a big problem for the establishment and their big 3, if we actually get any kind of fully democratic version of it.

Nationalism is on the rise and rise all over Europe. Most Conservative members and voters are deeply anti-EU. Therefore the chances of a big anti-EU alliance forming under PR is certainly on the cards.

However I know the establishment too well to believe for even a moment that they have not already planned well in advance for this almost inevitable reaction.

Therefore it seems that either the EU has some very nasty tricks up its sleeve I have not yet worked out, or British as well as all other European national elections, are planned to be effectively eradicated in the not so distant future. Which is of course exactly what IS PLANNED to happen, whether it actually happens during our life times or not.

A European police and defence force is to be created, even though it would seem that there is not ANYTHING whatsoever terrestrial to defend Europe from. However there will be much to defend the European establishment from in the future, which will as usual be the European people, Especially if they start getting any nationalistic ideas above their systematically belittled station.

Spanish police/troops will be sent to control any German nationalism. German police/troops will be sent to control any British nationalism. Italian police/troops will be sent to control any Irish nationalism and so on and so forth.

A sort of later day Papal inquisition minus a few of the old slower forms of torture, with the addition of many more high-tech ones.

This will/could very well have one of two outcomes.

Either the peoples of Europe will win their freedom from their respective oppressors, resulting also in many deaths along with medium-long term economic stagnation.


The peoples of Europe will lose their freedom entirely. Resulting in many deaths along with economic stagnation, along with a whole lot of other very nasty things which are best not thought about by any one suffering from a nervous disposition.

I could be wrong, although a rare event, such a thing has been know to happen. For example I once bet on a horse and lost all of my stake money. I have never made that type of mistake again. Also I once trusted a politicians to deliver what they promised concerning something to do with the EU. It goes without saying I will NEVER make that type of mistake ever again.

26 April 2010 at 19:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

26 April 2010 at 19:07  
Anonymous Truthseeker said...

Len, only just saw your comment, thanks aswell.

26 April 2010 at 19:08  
Blogger Anglichan said...

Yes, Len, I agree with you about Andrew Murray. 'With Christ in the school of Prayer' is a very good book that I read some time ago and found very helpful and stimulating.

Not sure about Watchman Nee, though. I read his 'the Normal Christian Life' many years ago and I thought, at the time, that it was good, but I haven't read it since I was a bit more 'mature in the faith', if you know what I mean. I vaguely remember somebody writing something critical about something he wrote, but I can't remember what it was, though.

Of the more contemporary preachers on the site, I find David Silversides from Northern Ireland to be a very good bible expositor, if a little 'dry' sometimes, and also John Greer is very good.

26 April 2010 at 19:14  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

In a unbecoming outburst of gratified moral outrage.

Aye lest ye forget!

The most popular anti-eu and immigration nationalist party has an MEP for its chairman, I am sure there be some archaic saying about serving two masters.

It goes a little like this folks

"I'd rather be a dog and bay at the moon, than such a Roman."

Signed G. Rowlin

26 April 2010 at 19:20  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Your just another Tory with you back against the wall trying to work out why Camaron hasn't got the GE in the bag yet.

26 April 2010 18:46

That is as maybe, but to my knowledge being a Tory is not yet illegal. Although maybe for not much longer judging by the way the BBC have so far been reporting this election campaign.

It would seem self-apparent that no party has got this particular election ever near the bag, never mind in it. The fact that Cameron is even as close as he is, from where he started could be said to be some kind of victory what ever the eventual result. I am sure that for the Conservative Party to still be in a possible position to gain an overall majority, would have been gladly taken by conservative members back in 2005.

Never mind the fact that only an idiot like Cameron, Clegg, or indeed Brown would positively want to be a British PM only a few weeks before the British economy is planned to fall straight over the Cliffs of Dover, into the deep deep dark abyss.

Why would a Conservative voter in particular want to take the responsibility for pulling the broken wreak back up again?

Been there, seen that, don't really want to go there, or see it again, why should they, and who can blame them?

Perhaps it is simply better to let some one else have a go this time, lay back and have a laugh. After all I have got all my personal wealth where not even I know where it is, any one with any real sense would have already done the same.

26 April 2010 at 19:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Die! dsingh! die!

26 April 2010 at 19:40  
Anonymous Oswin said...

English Viking - I have a black friend who says he intends to vote for the they are the only party who might help to rid his area of the well-organised muslim gangs, and Islamic fundamentalists. (Remember the black backlash against muslim encroachment in Birmingham?).

I am further reminded that many of Enoch Powell's constituents, AND voters, were Indian....they knew he was right, and agreed that enough was indeed enough. They understood that their 'lot' was made worse by further, uncontrolled immigration. What year was that; 1968? That's forty-two years of blindingly, criminal stupidity from the three main political parties!

If only that benighted fool Heath had listened; if only that Europe-loving fool had never been! That man did more harm to Britain than any opposing army, or foreign dictator, since the Roman Occupation!

26 April 2010 at 19:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ta Dreadnought

26 April 2010 at 19:50  
Blogger Anglichan said...

Further to my comment about Watchman Nee. I mentioned that I'd read onetime 'something critical' about him.

Well, I've found out where I read it. It's on

The concluding paragraph says, 'When a Christian begins to see Nee as a guide in determining the value of other Christian writers, or sees Nee's writings as a key to spirituality, that person is headed for trouble. Nee's presuppositions are suspect in light of the Word of God. ..... The astute believer should watch out for Watchman Nee.'

26 April 2010 at 20:06  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Miss Oswin at 7.44 pm: it takes a Geordie to detect a Geordie.

Sleep well.

26 April 2010 at 20:42  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Miss Oswin-Dreadnaught

Confess thy sin.

And all Judaeo-Christians are likely to forgive.

26 April 2010 at 21:00  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Miss Oswin-Dreadnaught

If thou confesses thy sin - thou has a chance to gain respect.

If thou dost not, men shall abuse thee.

Thou knowest men.

After all, thou hast abused our patience.

26 April 2010 at 21:09  
Blogger English Viking said...


I was not disagreeing with BNP policy, I was expressing my fatigue with those who clearly agree with the policies of a legally constituted, democratic and transparent party prefacing their comments with gems such as 'the vile BNP', 'Nick Griffin is a racist', 'Nazi scum, off our streets', and other suchlike.

I believe that Nick Griffin is under the impression that London is capital of England and Paris is the capital of France. I agree with him. That does not make me a Nazi and do not feel the need to try to explain away why I agree with him on these matters.

If a person believes something, then just come right out and say it, and everybody else can take a running jump.

PS. Nick Griffin also thinks that the UK is full and would halt all immigration and withdraw from the EU. I agree with him on that as well.

PPS Some of my best friends are white.

26 April 2010 at 21:10  
Anonymous Oswin said...

English Viking...I wasn't making that 'sort' of a point; merely adding to yours. I agree with you!

Mr.Singh... I'm a Northumbrian!!!

26 April 2010 at 22:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vote small - think big.
60,000 views now and counting:

26 April 2010 at 22:36  
Anonymous Philip said...

Dan Hannan wonders why "discerning and intelligent people would ever cast their votes for the most pro-Brussels party which also happens to want an amnesty for all illegal immigrants who have managed to evade deportation for ten years."

Answer (despite the adjectives "sensible", "discerning" and "intelligent"):

Because Clegg came over well in the TV debates. It's the way he 'came across' the way he 'projected himself' . That's what matters these days. Not policies.

26 April 2010 at 23:13  
Anonymous no nonny said...

Oswin - then you'll not forget about the original and ancient Northumbria of your fornames? When Lindisfarne became a daughter house of Iona, and the diocese stretched across Scotland from Bamburgh, and Whitby, Monkwearmouth and Jarrow? Via Melrose and Yeavering, and Hexham, and Ripon, and York, and Bewcastle, etc.** When Northumbrians worked with Adomnan and the people from Whithorn, to create unity while retaining diversity?

And between them they produced all manner of wonderful things, like scriptoria, libraries, and schools, and illuminated manuscripts, and Bede, and Alcuin of York, and Willibrord, and Wilfred, and stone crosses, and translation into English, and The Dream of the Rood...

And then there was the Danelaw, and the Hiberno-Vikings ruled across Northumbria; and then the Irish swept across Scotland... And the things of Cuthbert's world made a southerly home at Durham; yet still a few Northumbrians near Bamburgh seem to have worked with Alfed. Your comment reflects that balkanization won, though.

But maybe our perceptive Mr. Singh sees something that remains constant - in the layers of our wonderful shared heritage.

**cf. M. Gilbert. The Routledge Atlas of British History. 4th ed. New York: Routledge, 2007.

27 April 2010 at 01:19  
Anonymous Asian Colonial Subject said...

Your Grace,

I know this does not have anything to do with your post, but I wonder if I might covet your approbation to add your blog to my blogroll?

27 April 2010 at 05:54  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Adrian Peirson, UKIP say they intend to control immigration rather radically. This is from the UKIP manifesto:

End uncontrolled mass immigration

Introduce an immediate five-year freeze on immigration for permanent settlement

Regain control of Britain’s borders to stop foreign criminals from entering our country

End abuse of the UK asylum system and expel Islamic extremists

Introduce a strict new points-based visa system and time-limited work permits

Triple the number of UK Borders Agency staff engaged in controlling immigration (to 30,000)

Why aren't we already seeing these common sense policies in action? Oh wait, we're all being subjected to a huge Marxist social engineering experiment aren't we...

27 April 2010 at 07:58  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

Forgive me YG as I am posting this comment without reading the rest due to time constraints.

I get the distinct feeling that the Liberal Democrats are the 'officially sanctioned' protest vote party. The gushing coverage they are getting on the MSM is almost unbelievable and so perhaps it is to steer away any protest vote from the BNP or UKIP. It would be just typical of the type of spin and control we have become used to from our Politicos.

27 April 2010 at 08:42  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

We have peace Mr Singh - I did not make the post.

27 April 2010 at 09:33  
Anonymous FramedMan said...

It is still possible to vote for the Monster Raving Loony Party in John Redwood's constituency...

27 April 2010 at 10:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having watched the British National Party’s election broadcast on BBC last night, and taken the trouble to visit their website and read their manifesto in full, I’ve decided to vote for them at the general election for the first time ever after a lifetime of voting Tory.

UKIP might have been an option but after having seen Lord Pearson’s hopeless performance on the BBC’s Campaign Show where he couldn’t even remember his party’s own manifesto I’m absolutely decided.

Cameron, you’ve lost my vote!

27 April 2010 at 10:44  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Asian Colonial Subject,

Of course.

27 April 2010 at 11:02  
Blogger Preacher said...

Is it not possible that with the prospect of a hung parliament, the two main parties have allowed the Lib Dems to appear with them on the debates in an effort to confuse the electorate & thus to minimise the votes for the 'other' parties, that by the number of postings here seem to be riding a wave of popularity. A damage limitation excercise to try & 'keep it in the family is surely possible & would explain the lukewarm attitudes of the 'Big Two'. Having read the Lib Dem manifesto it's obvious that if they were elected with a majority, they would administer the coup de grace to Britain. Remember Pandora's box, once opened it can never be shut. But then 'Power corrupts' etc.

27 April 2010 at 11:29  
Anonymous Oswin said...

no nonny - you've been peeking at my CV!

Both you and La Senorita Singh have confused me somewhat; as I'm not at all sure what either of you are about? You must excuse my tired and ancient brain; I haven't yet come to terms with that great perfidy, the Synod of Whitby!

My, perhaps too oblique point was, that like many Tories, I find that I no longer have a recognisable 'home'...I do not find myself welcome in the house of my fathers. As waif and stray I am obliged therefore, to scrat-about for my welfare and shelter. Does one necessarily blame the abandoned child for the faults of his erring, and negligent parent?

27 April 2010 at 14:34  
Anonymous Adrian Peirson said...

Vlams Belang Triumphant in Belgium.

Pst, anyone know where I can buy contraband British Flags for when we get a Nationalist ( as opposed to Globalist, which are the only two options really )
Government in Britain.

Vlams Beland recapture Belgium and establish a European Beachhead

27 April 2010 at 18:34  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Adrian .....get ye to ebay!

27 April 2010 at 18:56  
Anonymous no nonny said...

@ 14:34 Oswin, with a monniker like that who who needs a CV? [Oswin(e): ? 641-651, Deira and Bernicia!]

My apologies. You had differentiated between Geordies and Northumbrians, and I presumed to recall who we northerners are! In light of the next thread, though, I suspect you lads are sorting out the banter within your masculine traditions anyway.

btw - yes, that Synod was perfidious. I think Oswiu must have been a mass of conflicting loyalties, kow-towing to Rome like that. Unless he was more like modern politicians than I can credit....

Still, Northumbrians (and other Englishmen?) continued to work with the Irish, who 'Romanized' later. Pity they had to change their hairstyles to boot; but isn't that just typical euro micro-control? Those old leopards never change their spots. So much for retaining individuality under their control.

Which brings this closer to Topic: If we all share your predicament of displacement from "the house of our fathers," perhaps we share the need to re-assert ourselves and re-claim our heritage? I think that's part of my own oblique thinking; and I wish this election were providing the options more clearly.

28 April 2010 at 01:36  
Anonymous Oswin said...

no nonny....I think in re-asserting ourselves, we need to frighten our own party back on to the 'straight and narrow(er)' - and I'm not sure how that can be achieved, without recourse our brother Ukipians?

As for that two-faced, double-dealing bastard Oswiu, the family have still not forgiven him!

Re' the offending 'e' - Oswin(e) - we grew tired of forever being mistaken for Oirish pig-farmers - the O'Swines! That particular spelling was wholly down to the effette Saxons. We Angles employed no such lazy, southern drawl...

29 April 2010 at 00:59  

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