Wednesday, May 12, 2010

David Clegg and Nick Cameron

Cranmer is pondering...

He will speak anon.


Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

I’m pondered out. Good luck, Your Grace.

12 May 2010 at 18:16  
Anonymous Zach Johnstone said...

Your Grace,

The press conference earlier today was truly remarkable. Nothing avant-garde was said; nothing we didn't already expect was announced. Yet the symbolism was as pertinent as anything I've seen in politics.

Most strikingly, it had the feel of a partnership that may just stand the test of time. That is something I had not expected.

12 May 2010 at 18:16  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Johnny Rottenborough,

One can never do too much pondering.

Mr Zach Johnstone,

It is generational and cultural: David Cameron has much Liberal blood coursing through his veins and Nick Clegg has much Tory blood coursing through his. The fault line, as it has ever been, will be the issue of European Union.

12 May 2010 at 18:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with with you about the fault line but it wont be a problem as most Liberal Democrats are not as 'rabid' for Europe as many Tories are against it.

The idea of referendum on future agreements is a perfectly Lib Dem one - let the people decide. We may campaign for it and the Tories against but once the votes are counted the will of the people is clear and we will act accordingly (with even less likelyhood of copying Ireland and trying again).

I really think this can work. And work well for Britian.

12 May 2010 at 18:51  
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12 May 2010 at 19:06  
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12 May 2010 at 19:06  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

Yeah, it's all hunky dory and I am so excited. The system went bust so we have now got two new dudes. I don't know who to feel sorry for the most, me or them?

12 May 2010 at 19:13  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

I know this is one of those loopy conspiracy theories but my God it is all very convenient isn't it?

I guess we will never know. Bahhhh. It's a strange paradox that real sheep don't eat bullshit, yet we can't seem to devour enough of it.

12 May 2010 at 19:19  
Anonymous Mack said...

Actions speak louder than words. Given that many of the left-leaning punditerati have already written off the coalition we may be in for a big surprise. God knows that things could certainly not get worse; now that the Dear Leader has finally been forced to vacate No. 10 let's wish Cameron and Clegg a favourable wind.

12 May 2010 at 19:36  
Anonymous Zach Johnstone said...

Your Grace,

Indeed. As evidenced, I suppose, by the way in which Cameron has reneged on his promise to attempt the repatriation of powers from Brussels in order to secure political matrimony.

12 May 2010 at 19:44  
Blogger dmk said...

It's tempting to get quite amused at Conservative bloggers who have vilified Clegg now tying themselves in knots. But that's old politics. Humility on the one hand, grace on the other, seems a good way to do things.

12 May 2010 at 20:11  
Blogger Gnostic said...

It'll end in tears. Let's hope those tears aren't ours because the first thing these creatures are doing is attempting to consolidate their hold over us until 2015 by further trampling on whats left of our bent and battered constitution. We didn't vote for this, not that it matters to them.

Hello new dictators same as the old dictator.

I wish there was a god because we sure need his bloody help right now.

12 May 2010 at 21:06  
Anonymous antipodean said...

We in the Antipodies have been experiencing coalitions of various sorts and hues for the last 15 or so years.
If the parties to a coalition have an understanding or agreement setting out the areas of commonality and areas where there are differences, then matters can progress successfuly.
If Mr Cameron and Clegg, and their parties have that agreement reduced to writing then matters should progress successfully for the term of the parliament.

12 May 2010 at 21:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace

You wrote:

'The fault line, as it has ever been, will be the issue of European Union.'


For the glory of our country!

Thank you, Lord God.

12 May 2010 at 21:22  
Anonymous Gay Anglican said...

Your Grace, still 'swinging both ways' so to speak on this deal. Half of me thinks let them have a chance, the other half wants to say 'oh no, not another 5 years of nick clegg as deputy pm'.

But there is chemistry between the 2 men. I am sure any of the other gay bloggers will notice that.they are a nice couple (politically of course!).

12 May 2010 at 21:38  
Anonymous Zach Johnstone said...

Mr Singh,

His Grace's position has always been one which acknowledges the capacious disparity in European policy between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives. Indeed, in saying 'as it has ever been', he demonstrates his belief that it is rather axiomatic.

Why the apparent surprise?

12 May 2010 at 21:58  
Anonymous PJ said...

Conspiracy Theorists are having a field day. I mean a coalition of two parties (moving closer to a one party state), a cabinet full of Euro fanatical Lib-Dems, Nick Clegg has Russia Aristotic ancestory and apprently owns a Pyramid in Egypt and Cameron is related to King George oh yeah and a fixed-term parliament! Hmm

12 May 2010 at 22:41  
Anonymous Voyager said...

A Survival Pact. Had Cameron failed to gain office he would, like Clegg, have been removed as party leader. ALL the parties had a disastrous election and not one of the leaders should have survived for the re-run.

Without this marriage of convenience the future of all three main political parties would have been precarious, and may yet prove to be so.

Cameron wagers he can absorb the LibDems and shed his Conservative Right which is why he has retained the LibDem spinner Steve Hilton and why Theresa May is Home Secretary with David Davis left as King across the Water.

Cameron hopes to offload the Conservative Core through changes to the voting system and absorb LibDems just as the National Government did in 1935.

Whatever happens there will be a place for a Right Party opposed to the EU and for national sovereignty, but whether it can flourish against the Cameron version of Ulbricht's SED Party in the GDR is another.

Just as Blair hoped to absorb LibDems by enticing Ashdown into coalition, so now Cameron hopes to consummate the trick.

Whether the electorate will meekly follow is another matter. There is the potential for great violence ahead if people feel things promised at the election - a threadbare few promises indeed - are being reneged upon just as in 2005 over the Lisbon Treaty, or in Nov 2009 over the Referendum, or even on National Insurance increases, IHT limit increases, or schools reform.

The presence of Caroline Spelman, Michael Gove, Oliver Letwin, George Osborne and other expense-fiddlers at the heart of government reflects a cynicism felt by the electorate.

12 May 2010 at 22:52  
Blogger Owl said...

I have been having this terrible gut feeling for some time now that YG is going to be sorely disappointed with NuGov.

12 May 2010 at 22:55  
Anonymous no nonny said...

On Conspiracy Theory ...

Funny how the marxist theorists are still sneering and posturing about Conspiracy Theory - While the facts of the conspiracy are standing up and hitting us in the face.

Is that what's called a double whammy?

13 May 2010 at 03:21  
Blogger Ayrdale said...

I expect Your Grace to examine all the implications of the differing types of proportional voting; and to condemn the abomination that is MMP - mixed member proportional representation.

MMP gives power to small parties to elect members on a list, members who in many cases would be unelectable radicals if the public could have a say.

Here in NZ we hope to have a referendum on the future of our MMP system and many of us hope to throw it out, and replace it with the Aussie version; STV. Single Transferable Voting.

13 May 2010 at 04:01  
Anonymous GTGTWG said...

Right now it's all friendly and jovial...and we're feeling that energy. But there is an undertone that is no different. Already we're seeing policies being reneged upon, and what of proportional representation? It's now being put to the vote? Do they believe the system won't change then? That the public will vote for more of the same? Of course! The three parties are but one and the same. I'd give anything for a government that represents the people. But we'll never have that. It's the same all over the world. Power and greed prevail...but I'll keep looking for the good in all because it is actually there somewhere. Myself included.

13 May 2010 at 04:07  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

These two scoundrels seem to be joined at the libido,each desperate to impregnate the other and sire a monster.Above someone said,"It can not get any worse"but we all know that it can,do we not?

13 May 2010 at 08:01  
Anonymous no nonny said...

Yes, Englishman - in my experience it always does, whenever I think that!!

Again, Lear bears it out-

Edgar: [Aside] O gods! Who is't can say "I am at the worst"?
I am worse than e'er I was.

Old Man: 'Tis poor mad Tom.

Edgar: [Aside] And worse I may be yet: the worst is not
So long as we can say "This is the worst." (KL: 4.1.24-18)

13 May 2010 at 08:24  
Blogger Mrs Proudie of Barchester said...

Is that a photograph of Zaphod Beeblebrox by any chance?

Ah well, two heads are better than one, as Henry VIII used to say.

13 May 2010 at 10:22  
Anonymous sixtypoundsaweekcleaner said...

Single sex marriage, Your Grace? Let's hope the Lord Almighty is not trying to tell us something.

13 May 2010 at 15:13  
Blogger Weirdmonger said...

There is a real Maggie Clegg from British TV:

13 May 2010 at 22:24  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Mrs. Proudie DON'T PANIC!

14 May 2010 at 20:31  
Anonymous alaric said...

I wonder if the Conservatives should change their logo to a tree with a big yellow bird perching in it, crapping in the eye of all those who stand beneath.

18 May 2010 at 20:19  

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