Friday, October 22, 2010

Announcing the Society of Cardinal Cranmer

Inspired by the Blessed Vermin and founder of the Society of St Magnus for Orthodox Church Mice;

Mindful that His Holiness has appointed a further 24 eminences to his consistory, to ensure that his reforms outlast his earthly existence and that the Benedictine legacy will endure;

Recalling that sundry and diverse Anglican acronyms have sprung up over recent years, severally known as FiF, TAC, FCA, GAFCON and SSWSH, with no apparent purpose other than to further their own agendas;

Convinced that such branding and re-branding while, on the face of it, appears cordial and conducive to godly fellowship, is actually borne of bitter dispute and deep division;

Reaffirming the via media Catholic and Reformed foundation of the Church of England;

Deploring the unholy language used by those Princes of the Church who might be inclined to believe that if it be Catholic it may not be reformed and vice versa, especially of those who are buggering off to join His Holiness's Ordinariate;

Deeply disturbed by the despairing effects this dog's dinner is having on the flock (and vermin);

Despairing that the Archbishop of Canterbury is telling us that the Anglican Communion is doing just fine, thank you very much;

Convinced of the importance of preaching the Good News to save people from sin and hell;

Noting the efforts and important achievements of His Grace's august blog of educated and erudite comment upon matters religio-political;

Appealing to all individuals in all factions of the Church of England everywhere;

Taking into account that red clearly suits His Grace and that his personage is claimed by both Catholics and Protestant alike, and that he is considered simultaneously to be 'an heretick' and a Saint;

His Grace is proud to announce the formation and establishment of the Society of Cardinal Cranmer, which shall be conducive to all manner of mutually exclusive argumentations; combine disparate postmodern propositions; tolerate inescapable disjunctions and eclecticism; explore the meaninglessness of meaning and the framelessness of the framework; and which will embrace all theological spontaneity, ecclesial fragmentation and spiritual superficiality.

That's it: there is no need for any further Anglican groups, societies, organisations or fellowships. Anyone is welcome to join the Society of Cardinal Cranmer: there is room for all.

Given time, His Grace might even re-brand it 'The Church of England'.


Blogger Owl said...

YG, your society is intended to be as diverse as possible it seems. I, as a son of humble Irish Catholics, am perhaps diverse enough to join. Surely someone has to remind Mr. Singh now and then that there is also another view of Cromwell rather in contrast to his own.

22 October 2010 at 16:10  
Blogger Gawain Towler said...

I3m in, where do I sign?

22 October 2010 at 16:10  
Blogger Dr.D said...

Oh, barf! That bit of foolishness is truly worthless! Have you lost your mind?

22 October 2010 at 16:21  
Anonymous Michael said...

Cranmer: 'a name which deserves to be held in everlasting execration.' William Cobbett

22 October 2010 at 16:28  
Blogger Maureen said...

Not good at all ...

22 October 2010 at 16:36  
Anonymous Tony B said...

what are you on about?

22 October 2010 at 16:38  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Im in too, Your Grace; but why no mention of cucumber sandwiches, church fetes and the Women's Institute??? These bed-rocks of true, bumbling (NO criticism implied here!)Anglicanism are essential to the whole edifice!

22 October 2010 at 16:54  
Anonymous Gerard Tibercross said...

Your Grace

Or should we now address you as Your Eminence?

Like you I weep in the face of this infighting. Where is the via media, the broad church I joined as a considered, (Jesuit) educated alternative to the Roman straightjacket?

I am now actively working to establish the STFLOT. If you are puzzled at the acronym, LOT stand for "lot of them". Do you think my STFLOT might usefully have links with your SCC?

Gerard Tibercross

22 October 2010 at 17:06  
Anonymous philip walling said...

Far too post-modern YG.

22 October 2010 at 17:09  
Anonymous non mouse said...

I'm not sure, Your Grace. Your socc sounds a bit catholic to me...

22 October 2010 at 17:34  
Anonymous DT said...

Well I think it's Protestant and bigoted

22 October 2010 at 17:43  
Blogger Demetrius said...

Please, please, can I head up your Congregation Of The Faith with a brief to return to the tried methods of earlier centuries? I don't mind being called Ximines at all, people will just think I play for Real Madrid.

22 October 2010 at 18:00  
Anonymous len said...

I was pondering over the subject as to why are there so many Christian denominations the other day. All claim to 'be the right religion' and to have the Truth but as they have such diverse ideas they cannot all be right,so who has the truth? People who are bought up as Catholic or Protestant seem to adopt this as a stance regardless of the truth of the situation rather like football supporters with their Home team.
I don`t doubt that there are'born again' Catholics and unredeemed Protestants sitting in both Churches.
So I guess God will throw his net in the last days and keep the 'good fish' and discard the 'bad ones' so perhaps His Grace`s idea is not such a bad one.
The only proper revealer of Truth( to those with a genuine quest) is the Holy Spirit so in the meantime I will rely on Him to guide me.

22 October 2010 at 18:06  
Anonymous Gerard Tibercross said...

Mr Demetrius

You confuse the Holy Inquisition (now rebranded as the Congregation for the Doctirne and the Faith) with the Spanish Inquisition. The Holy Inquisition intimidated Catholic intellectuals (eg the late G. Gallilei), while the Spanish Inquisition robbed Spanish Muslims and Jews, for the benefit of the Spanish crown. Both Ximines and Torquemada were excomminicated by thr Vatican.

I do hope that this post demonstrates to His Grace that I am far better equipped and qualified to head his Inquisition than you are.

Gerard Tibercross

22 October 2010 at 18:18  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Nice try with the picture Cranny, but something's not quite right about the angle of the head in relation to the rest. Still, that's hardly a cardinal sin.

22 October 2010 at 19:06  
OpenID historymysteryliturgy said...

I would like to join if I may. Is it open to us Yanks who are increasingly part of the church of acronymns and acrimony?

22 October 2010 at 19:47  
Anonymous JayBee said...

His Grace appears to have mislaid his theological compass. It is not like him to be seduced by flattery and pose in a Cardinals plumage! I can only conclude that he has consumed more than a few bottles of Holy Water.

22 October 2010 at 19:58  
Anonymous Jim Haddock-Turbbut said...

Actually,I have always wondered why the Anglicans have Arch Bishops and Bishops, but not Cardinals? Cardinal Rowan Williams? Does sound grand doesn't it?

22 October 2010 at 20:03  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Your grace is as wonderfully creative as ever , although I fear the Thomas Moore society has union funding and refuses to discuss if payments for lessening ones stay in purgatory , is tax avoidence or tax evasion !

However for church life to become again what its apostollic formulation was for , would be a great joy , I very much doubt that people will understand that the heavenly realm is not the same as twitter .But that should be no excuse not to discerne what is good and godly .

22 October 2010 at 20:38  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...


I do not doubt that your quest for truth is anything but genuine, but maybe perfect truth is unattainable here. Maybe this is the nature of life this side of the Burning Bush. We are 'admonished' to love eachother as ourselves - and this will have to include significant amounts of give and take as we guide eachother forwards in the word.

The only perfect truth I can ever discern is that nobody has it. It hasn't been revealed in totality, and what we do know is rather debatable. Even with the grace of God and the guidance of the Holy Spirit we are always going to have to make sacrifices and concessions with eachother in order to attain peace, love and harmony.

22 October 2010 at 20:44  
Anonymous Indigo said...

Yay, when do we start banning stuff? Can we start with the awful Common Worship?

Can we benchmark stuff to keep lazy and uncaring clergy on the hop, such as having to take holy communion to at least five housebound people a week. Instead of trying to forget that they exist, as soon as they can't get to church on their own.

22 October 2010 at 21:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ah, those pesky house-bound types. Well, it is a club after all said and done.

22 October 2010 at 21:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@ingdio- yes bring back a good Mass in Latin !

22 October 2010 at 21:26  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

Good to see that you are enjoying the freedome of association that those of us are dissenters have fought for many years, usually in the teeth of opposition from the establishment.

I presume in the hierarchy of things the vermin will rank above the Conservative Party, demonstrating the truth of the blessed Nye's addage.

22 October 2010 at 22:35  
Anonymous len said...

Jared Gates ,"Maybe truth is unattainable here."

Well Truth is certainly difficult to find!.The different Christian religious Denominations are I believe all the different interpretations
(and distortions) of Gods Word.We can become lost in the maze of different theologies and lose sight of what the reality of the situation is.
However,there is One who knows the Truth ......God. Jesus is the Word of God ,the Word made flesh.
Jesus does not just tell us the truth; He is the Truth: “I am . . . the truth . . . . No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6 NIV).
So if we can lay hold of Jesus Christ, not a Denomination, not a Religion,then we will know the Truth and the Truth will set us free.
There are many snares and pitfalls to distract the searcher on his journey bit like Pilgrims Progress I suppose.

22 October 2010 at 23:12  
Anonymous Petronius The Pensive said...

I welcome the foundation of Your Grace's new, all-embracing Society. However, Protestantism BEING Protestantism, I wonder how long it will take before internal squabbles force this Society to split into several dissonant factions such as: The Evangelical Society of Cardinal Cranmer; The Traditionalist Society of Cardinal Cranmer; The Charismatic Society of Cardinal Cranmer; The Original Society of Cardinal Cranmer; The Reformed Society of Cardinal Cranmer, The Lutheran Society of Cardinal Cranmer; The Non-Conformist Society of Cardinal Cranmer, and the One And Only True Society of Cardinal Cranmer Despite What All Those Other Factions Claim...?

Do you begin to grasp the fundamental problem with such a way of thinking? How can a group of organs call itself "one body" when they're all in rebellion against each other, and when the answer to each new point of disagreement is to form yet another breakaway society?

23 October 2010 at 00:51  
Blogger Little Black Sambo said...

...with no apparent purpose other than to further their own agendas
Whose agendas do you think they ought to be furthering?

23 October 2010 at 00:54  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Len and Jared gates : I have to agree with you both , I have definitely discovered bits of it but yet there is both the personal building and the community aspect .
I am sure jesus is the truth .

Many of the things in the bible have developed totally different meanings over time particulary when you start to get a working idea of the old testament .

The real problem for me is wondering if there are those who are saved and those who are not , or if its more flexable . The memory of sin does not go away so what does this mean then if we seek forgiveness ?

The thing that amazes me most though is once you discerne god from the clutter , you then have to see the bible in a different light , I mean imagine being there at the ressurection or for that matter trying to live a more godly life .

Its very odd and I do not know what to think of a great deal of modernity once you question the bibles relevence .
There can only be personal belief in the end ,there was no church when jesus lived and yet he was the only begotten son of the father which is the example of faith .
Even then trying to work it all out is not the same as loving the lord .

23 October 2010 at 01:49  
Anonymous not a machine said...

I am greatfull to Berhser on another blog who pointed me in the direction of Russel Kirks ten principals of conservatism .

Cant do the link but search under russel kirk 10 principals, perhaps not society of cardianl cranmer but quite thought provoking

23 October 2010 at 03:39  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

NO Lenny

You're using excuses and selective blindness again - I said "Maybe PERFECT truth is unattainable here", but it is clear that you are locked into your own world of tantrums.

23 October 2010 at 08:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Little Black Sambo:

Jesus Christ's?

23 October 2010 at 10:31  
Blogger Caedmon's Cat said...

A goodly number of the commenting readers here seem to have missed the purpose of the article and its humour; I understand very well what Dr Cranmer is saying, and very much agree with it. The proliferation of separate groupings within the Anglican church mirror the parties referred to by St Paul in his first letter to the Corinthians - and has been evidenced in the Roman church through innumerable orders - each of which was established with the objective of reforming some aspect of the church's missionary emphasis or liturgy. And of course there are the multitudes of non-conformist denominations - some of which have their own internal parties (e.g. Strict, General and Particular Baptists and various Wesleyan groupings in Methodism).
To the devil they are a useful distraction - to deflect the church from its true and original mission..

23 October 2010 at 11:07  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

Cranmer said

His Grace is proud to announce the formation and establishment of the Society of Cardinal Cranmer, which shall be conducive to all manner of mutually exclusive argumentations; combine disparate postmodern propositions; tolerate inescapable disjunctions and eclecticism; explore the meaninglessness of meaning and the framelessness of the framework; and which will embrace all theological spontaneity, ecclesial fragmentation and spiritual superficiality.

May I suggest some marketing collateral suited to the promotion of your new society?

Inflatable worshipers so as to give the impression that the churches are full again.

“Popeopoly” board game with a special “Get out of Hell” free card.

A state-of-the-art incinerator with full carbon capture, for atheists, heretics and the like.

10 fings wat maek yer good. Ten Commandments app suited to most mobile devices.

Sponsor a chair at Oxford University for the dissemination of Gibberish.

Create a new talent show, “The + Factor” for aspiring clergy.

Turin Shroud duvet cover.

Mortal Sin video game.

Tickets to blockbuster movie “The Life of Allan”. (I laughed my burka off, Time Out)

Reprint the unforgettable “My life as a Sex Slave” by Malcolm Muggeridge

23 October 2010 at 11:45  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Mr Graham Davis, if you thought up all those things yourself you are a genuine wit. Which presumably means that if you thought up half of them, you must be a half wit.

BTW, shouldn't that Chair be for The Public Understanding of Gibberish?

CTMQ* from the Anabaptist (who, as an heretick, would be in the incinerator along with the atheists).

[*chuckled to myself quietly]

23 October 2010 at 12:18  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

Caedmon's cat

We didn't miss the purpose of the article, it's just that 'meaning' and 'framework' are always going to be relative. I have just let my dog out in the yard so as to avoid any cleaning up operations that could result in all-day confinement in doors. Meaning, to my wonderful hound, could not be more simple and obvious: it's about checking the ground for the presence of cats, and scanning for pesky blackbirds and their ilk, and strategically marking the garden with urine - not to mention eating, scratching and licking. My dog seems to have scant regard for eternal life, which for her does not transpose into meaning of life. This reminds me of the story of Sisyphus.

In Greek mythology Sisyphus is punished by the gods for cheating death by being forced to roll a heavy stone to the top of a hill. Just as the stone is about to reach the top of the hill, it rolls back down to the plain. Sisyphus is doomed to repeat this meaningless activity for eternity. The duration of our lives has nothing to do with their meaningfulness. It is ironic that so many people have missed this point given that The Myth of Sisyphus presents Sisyphus' eternal punishment as the archetype of meaningless existence. You could say like Len and his genuine quest for truth.

While I cannot fault Len in his quest, I do think that there is a danger in missing the point about human life and what gives it meaning. In Len's (and in my own) case, the idea of a higher purpose and plan provide a great deal of encouragement and meaning to our existence. An important part of this meaning is mystery and the role of faith: Faith in the knowledge that God has a plan for us and that we have been given a life on this planet to live out and develop. We must create our own meaning for our lives though regardless of whether or not our lives serve some higher purpose. Whether our lives are meaningful to us depends on how we judge them.

I am not sure what truth the Holy Spirit is giving Len, or what meaning his life takes on, but in the time scale of the history of the Earth an individual human lifetime is a mere blink of an eye, and the idea of spending eternity rolling a stone up and down a hill seems like a scary place to be. We are not like dogs, happy with little if any meaning in life, we are humans created in the image of God. What makes our lives meaningful is that we find the activities we engage in to be worthwhile. Our determination to carry out projects we have created for ourselves gives our lives meaning. We feel that life is meaningless when most of our desires which we regard as important are frustrated. Whether we regard life as meaningful or meaningless depends on the degree to which our important desires are frustrated. The judgments that we make about our lives on these points are the same regardless of whether one's life is eternal or not or whether it is part of a greater purpose or not. Perhaps the secret to a meaningful life is to focus on those desires which we can fulfill and diminish those which we cannot--provided that we know the difference between the two.

Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
- Macbeth, Act 5, Scene 5, lines 22-31

23 October 2010 at 12:55  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Your Grace.
Nice try, but I think that first step should be to jettison all the Greek philosophy that was foisted on us by Plato & Co via Constantine & look more closely at our Jewish heritage & Jesus' teaching.
If it's all the same to you I will remain a maverick. God Bless!

23 October 2010 at 13:22  
Anonymous len said...

Jared Gates,you seem to be somewhat of a Nihilist. Many people spend their lives sleepwalking towards the grave.We could( and many do )live our lives being only aware of our five senses and not seeking anything beyond that.
However if Jesus said the truth could set us free, conversely deception must keep us in bondage!
Macbeth speaks very much like the Preacher in Ecclesiastes which seems to me to be one of the only part of there Bible which speaks in Humanistic terms, it really points to the futility and lack of meaning of existence.
Now I am sure, in fact I know ,that God didn`t create this World people it with Humans to live meaningless lives and then to die!.
Unless we seek the truth about ourselves and our condition we remain compelled to live forever in spiritual darkness.

23 October 2010 at 13:39  
Anonymous len said...

And can it be that I should gain
An interest in the Saviour’s blood?
Died He for me, who caused His pain—
For me, who Him to death pursued?
Amazing love! How can it be,
That Thou, my God, shouldst die for me?
Amazing love! How can it be,
That Thou, my God, shouldst die for me?
‘Tis mystery all: th’Immortal dies:
Who can explore His strange design?
In vain the firstborn seraph tries
To sound the depths of love divine.
‘Tis mercy all! Let earth adore,
Let angel minds inquire no more.
‘Tis mercy all! Let earth adore;
Let angel minds inquire no more.
Long my imprisoned spirit lay,
Fast bound in sin and nature’s night;
Thine eye diffused a quickening ray—
I woke, the dungeon flamed with light;
My chains fell off, my heart was free,
I rose, went forth, and followed Thee.
My chains fell off, my heart was free,
I rose, went forth, and followed Thee.
No condemnation now I dread;
Jesus, and all in Him, is mine;
Alive in Him, my living Head,
And clothed in righteousness divine,
Bold I approach th’eternal throne,
And claim the crown, through Christ my own.
Bold I approach th’eternal throne,
And claim the crown, through Christ my own.
Music: Thomas Campbell (1777 - 1844)
Words: Charles Wesley (1707 - 1788)

23 October 2010 at 13:47  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

Neither the Left-liberals nor the ‘Right’ of the church want division. But division will come because the Left-liberals have made it clear there is room for the ‘Right’ in the church.

I attend every Sunday my local Church of England service. I have listened patiently to my faith being questioned from the pulpit; St Paul’s teachings on sexuality rubbished; his authority questioned and blamed for disputes that rumble on down through the centuries to this day. I have even listened to a sermon that justified polygamy. Through all this I have sat and listened in silence.

Children are permitted to run around, shriek and wail to the point where I cannot even hear what the preacher is saying. We are often asked (Harvest Sunday was a prime example) to sing songs that do not even mention God (to whom then are we singing in praise of?): it infantilises us.

I am sure you understand why men’s patience snaps and they walk away.

The congregation is elderly; every two months a death is announced. The youngsters out in the public square do not want to come into church because what is preached from the pulpit they can read in the Guardian and listen to on the street corner. I often see some of them secretly drinking in the concealed alleyways of the village (as undergraduates at university they will take drugs). Their hearts long to hear someone tell them that life is worth living because Someone died for them. It is unlikely that they will hear that from the pulpit: because we are modernising to attract the young. Right? Right.

They long to hear something different to that which is being blared out from the pulpit; the TV, the CD and the DVD. They eat hamburgers like there is no tomorrow; and yet they are still hungry. They drink cans of larger until they are stupefied; and yet they are still thirsty. They have sex frequently with one girl after another and like Mick Jagger they can’t get satisfaction. They have freedom – but they are enslaved by ‘isms’

I am sure you understand why men’s patience snaps and they walk away.

‘The various moral and theological and sociological disputes of the day, however progressively resolved with ecclesiastical connivance, have nothing to say to this spiritual hunger, which is not assuaged by legalized abortion and homosexuality, solaced by contraception, or relieved by majority rule. Nor will it take comfort in the thought that God is dead, or that mankind has come of age, or even in ecumenical negotiations for writing off Papal Infallibility against the validity of Anglican Orders. The only means of satisfying it remains that bread of life which Jesus offered, with the promise that those who are of it should never hunger again. The promise stands.’

Malcolm Muggeridge

I am sure you understand why men’s patience snaps and they walk away.

23 October 2010 at 13:49  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...


You complain about denominations and churches and then you quote hymns at me and tell me my life is meaningless because I am unable to fathom exactly what the heck it is that you are trying to say. You sound self righteous to me, like some dog-in-a-manger who has not the capacity to share the human experience.

If I am to join in in this quest, then pray tell, what exactly am I to do that will enable me to sing with joy from your mysterious hymnbook?

What is it that you have figured out that the rest of the world sits in darkness with and "spends their lives sleepwalking towards the grave"?

What special privilege have you been granted, and what key formula have you to share that will enable us all to unlock this mystery?

23 October 2010 at 14:10  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

Nice one Anabaptist.

BTW, shouldn't that Chair be for The Public Understanding of Gibberish
Yes I’m sure that is what I meant to say, but I do hope that is not an ironic reference to the post recently vacated by Richard Dawkins (peace be upon him).

23 October 2010 at 14:49  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

'I do hope that is not an ironic reference to the post recently vacated by Richard Dawkins (peace be upon him).'

As if I would do such a thing...

23 October 2010 at 14:53  
Anonymous non mouse said...

... On consideration, I think true glory lies in the disctinction between grace and eminence. Unless we support causes like wrp and pnl,* perhaps turning the flock to a socc is more holistic than goodly.

*whiting red people and pounding neu lefty-lib'rals.

23 October 2010 at 16:04  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Owl at 16.10

‘Surely someone has to remind Mr. Singh now and then that there is also another view of Cromwell rather in contrast to his own.’

I have nothing against Catholics.

You may believe that Cromwell was a bad man.

Cromwell leading a military expedition to Ireland in 1649 did speak about spreading the gospel and to address the ‘barbarous and blood thirsty Irish’ who had massacred Protestants in 1641.

A few days later after that declaration he issued a solemn declaration to his soldiers not to ‘do any wrong or violence’ to any persons of any kind ‘unless they be actually in arms or office with the enemy’.

A few days after that solemn declaration, he ordered the execution of two of his own soldiers for stealing some hens from a farmer. On 3 September he reached Drogheda.

The Duke of Ormonde’s (under the orders of Charles II) military plan was to tie down Cromwell with a long-drawn out siege – so that during the winter hunger and sickness would decimate Cromwell’s men.

Cromwell invited Sir Arthur Aston the experienced royalist commander to surrender ‘to the end (that) effusion of blood may be prevented’. Aston ignored the invitation. He knew precisely what his rejection of the invitation to surrender meant: under the laws of war Cromwell had the right to kill without mercy all Drogheda’s armed defenders.

This was because in those days armies did not have the logistical support and medical resources to sustain long-drawn out sieges – hence the right to kill without mercy in such a situation.

It is illogical to accuse him of a war crime since he obeyed the rules of war (as did Ormonde and Aston with their policy of ‘no surrender’).

You can accuse him of inconsistency in that he applied the rules flexibly during the civil war: a war between English gentlemen.

23 October 2010 at 16:07  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Mr. Singh @ 13.49

I recognise only too well the substance of your opening paragraphs, indeed of its entirety.

A visit to any of my local churches is akin to that of our local public libraries: wee children screeching and hurtling aboot the place, annoying the elderly and causing disaffection amongst those few who are held to leash.

Milk-sop hymns (?) and the facile 'Laura Ashley' Order of Service, together with the wan, prescribed responses, all serve as a palid, bloodless effusion that irks, rather than satisfies.

Our part-time syndicus churches/parishes are organised like our eco-refuse collections - 'doubt as to which bin appears on which day? However, unlike our colour-coded, pre-sorted, timetabeled refuse collection, our church attendance is defined, as much as anything, in my particular strewn-out rural parish, by distance.

As with the 'National Curriculum' we are fed a 'one size fits all' uniform drab mismash of meagre fare. We are neither challenged, enlightened or inspired.

For me, a typical attendance is marked by degrees of irritation, annoyance, grumpiness, down-right anger, lip-curling cynicism and the occasional inclination to do actual bodily harm to other communicants!

In my own defence, I do not recall feeling thus in my earlier years ... at times a wee smidgin of boredom perhaps; but that in its self, is character-forming, yes?

I am increasing inclined towards solitary visits; it is less fraught, and less likely to end in my eventual arrest!

Come to think of it, it is not too dissimilar from my experience of village pubs these days; wherever one might go, the same sub-standard beer, sold to a dwindling and irksome clientele ... oh Lord, have mercy!

23 October 2010 at 17:31  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Thank the Lord that I am not alone in my dislike of the rubbish that often appears as a sermon/message.
In an effort to fill the pews we witness in many cases the truth of the gospel being jettisoned so as not to offend people, so a weak & gutless message is given that does not challenge, enlighten or even comfort the listener. Then we wonder why the churches are fast emptying & more militant faiths are becoming a threat.
Take heart men, a lot of this transatlantic garbage will soon pass IF the church & its leaders repent of their errors & seek the Lord once more with all their hearts.

23 October 2010 at 20:07  
Blogger Archdruid Eileen said...

That's good enough for us, Your Grace. We're in. But is it time for your Society to break down in unavoidable schism? After all, it's been going for a day now.

23 October 2010 at 20:16  
Anonymous len said...

Jared Gates,
I did laugh (ironically) when I read your post.Self righteous? I certainly was 10 yrs ago but now? quite the opposite is true.
The Key to the Christian life? well the first thing is humility, but as space prevents a comprehensive list here is a link,
(All these truths are only valid if you are genuinely born again)

23 October 2010 at 23:20  
Anonymous len said...

The problem with many of our churches today is that they function without the Power of the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit brings life.

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.(Genesis 2;7)

God imparted Life,(His Life) into Adam.

Our Churches, (many of them )have become like the Valley of Dry bones devoid of Life,without the Holy Spirit the Church will remain dead.
The Welsh revival is especially interesting with reference to the Power of the Holy Spirit.

'Wales has periodically been a land of revivals. It experienced spiritual renewal in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. The Welsh revival of 1904-05 was a divine intervention that drastically changed life in churches, homes, mines, factories, schools and even places of leisure and entertainment.

God used young Evan Roberts to spark the new fires of revival. He was not the human leader of the revival, however. In fact, no one human leader directed it. Evan was extremely conscious of divine leadership during the momentous events of the Welsh revival. He said, "This movement is not of me, it is of God. I would not dare direct it...It is the Spirit alone which is leading us" (Ellis, Living Echoes, Delyn Press).

23 October 2010 at 23:56  
Blogger oldmaid said...

I have just read the following in the Mail.

I am assuming your article is the result of this.

I'm in.

24 October 2010 at 10:15  
Blogger Owl said...

Mr. Singh, Glad to see that you are on form. I did not think for one moment that you had anything against catholics. Where did you get that idea?
Rather than get into a pre 1641 plantation discussion or Wexford discussion, I was referring more to the sometimes expressed idea that we need a "strong" man/woman to sort things out. For example a modern Cromwell which you once suggested. This can be very dangerous especially if you happen to be on the "wrong" side. Post 1652ish even England wasn't quite sure about him either.
I would rather see the strength of Christian diversity, with a good drop of Atheist rationalism to keep us on our toes, as a way forward.
The planned destruction of society by our Green/Socialist/Marxist opponents has to be challenged by a very "broad church".

24 October 2010 at 16:01  
Anonymous Septimus said...

I've been away. The Church of England? When did that happen?

24 October 2010 at 16:22  
Anonymous Gerard Tibercross said...

Mr Singh, Mr Owl

There were many deaths at Drogheda. The defending army, Ormond's army, and protestants to a man, defended the catholic city of Drogheda to the death. There are few reliable accounts of misconduct by Cromwell's troops in Drogheda.

Ross was a different story. The city surrendered, the troops "took" the city. Cromwell had the officers shot.

There are all sorts of lessons to be learnt, but both sieges remind us that truth is the first casualty.

Gerard Tibercross

26 October 2010 at 01:34  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Tibercross

'Ross was a different story. The city surrendered, the troops "took" the city. Cromwell had the officers shot.'

If you are suggesting Cromwell breached the rules of war (17th century) and therefore committed a war crime then present your evidence.

26 October 2010 at 08:24  
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