Friday, October 29, 2010

Cameron’s EU betrayal

It gave no pleasure at all to write that headline, and even less to write the rest of this post.

And that intense heaviness of being is alleviated only very slightly by the undoubted reality that the Coalition is doing very much the right thing in prioritising repayment of the national debt, balancing the fiscal deficit, reforming education, confronting the welfare behemoth and localising a whole raft of previously centralised competences to give people real power over the way their communities are run.

But we come to the elephant.

It has been in the room since 1973.

And over four decades it has produced a mountain of dung the stench of which has reached the nostrils of God.

It is essentially about trade and Britain’s status in the world, which have been the polarising issues within the Conservative Party since its nineteenth-century inception. The Repeal of the Corn Laws (1846) and Tariff Reform (1903) were both fundamentally about free trade versus protectionism; whether imports of foreign or non-Empire goods should be taxed. These great splits kept the Party out of office for 28 years and 18 years respectively. But these schisms find their modern equivalent in the Party’s debates on ‘Britain’s future in Europe’, divisions about which contributed significantly to the party losing power in 1997.

And another lengthy period in the wilderness.

It hasn’t gone away.

Disraeli’s darkest days were re-lived through the successive leaderships of John Major, William Hague, Iain Duncan Smith and Michael Howard, during which time there was little unity or sense of political purpose. After the Single European Act, Margaret Thatcher’s stance in Bruges is widely perceived as a principal reason for her downfall; Maastricht bedevilled John Major and gave the enduring impression of a weak leader. The others scarcely had time to leave a fingerprint on the Party.

David Cameron won the leadership of the Conservative Party promising to remove his MEPs from the EPP – the federalist centre-right grouping in the European Parliament whose aims and objectives were and are antithetical to everything the Party professed to stand for. It wasn’t achieved ‘within weeks’, as he promised.

But he did fulfil his promise when the politics permitted.

And let us not pretend that the formation of the ECR group – the EU’s first ‘opposition’ party (that is one which is constitutionally opposed to the founding principle of ‘ever closer union’) – was not without political cost. It was a bold reform, and Mr Cameron delivered.

And then there was this his ‘cast-iron guarantee’: “If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations. No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum."

Often against the intense and unpleasant criticism of its readers, this blog defended Mr Cameron, agreeing with him that a post-ratification position changed the game; that you could not renegotiate a treaty which had been ratified.

And then came the idea of a Sovereignty Bill. It is such a piece of legislative nonsense that it stretches the patience of all intelligent and discerning people: to hear David Lidington, the ‘Europe Minister, talk of binding this government and all future governments into having to hold a referendum before further competences are ceded to the EU is either purposeful deception or appalling constitutional ignorance.

The British Parliament is and remains sovereign because its sovereignty rests with the people and you can’t bind them. Parliament therefore remains omnipotent in everything save the power to destroy its own omnipotence. Whatever Sovereignty Bill is enacted today can be repealed tomorrow, ergo there can be no ‘referendum lock’.

And so we come to the EU budget negotiations.

The Commission wanted a 5.9 per cent increase (some sources say 6.1).

The Council favoured a more modest increase at a time of such economic hardship.

And so Mr Cameron’s ‘victory’ is an increase of a mere 2.9 per cent.

Quite why we’re not slashing our EU contribution by 25 per cent, as we are doing in many government departments, is unknown.

David Cameron promised – he promised a wholesale shift in power ‘from the state to the citizen, from Whitehall to elected councillors, from Brussels to Westminster’.

Yet still half of our laws emanate from Brussels.

And the Coalition has carried on ceding.

David Cameron has now agreed an increase in the EU budget of 2.9 per cent which will cost Britain an additional £430 million. This is nothing short of a betrayal of the nation’s teachers, doctors, nurses, police, fire service and the armed forces.

Such a sum would put around 30 Harrier jump-jets on our presently aircraft-less aircraft carriers.

In EU negotiations, the UK has rarely been dealt such a strong hand to play: France and Germany want a new amendment to the Treaty of Rome to grant the EU ‘economic governance’; the UK wants a budget cut (or even a freeze, please) and the repatriation of certain competences in accordance with the subsidiarity provisions provided by Maastricht.

And what did Mr Cameron achieve?

More dung.

A 2.9 per cent increase in the EU budget is not as bad as 6.1, but it is still a very poor deal for Britain. It is unacceptable that Britain – a net contributor – should be forced by greedy net recipients to accept any increase in its contributions at a time of hardship and austerity.

And the most insulting part about this is that David Cameron will put this sell-out down to the cost of being in coalition.

It is not.

It is his personal conviction that the UK is best served by our continuing membership of the EU.

This blog expects this Conservative Prime Minister to act in the national interest.

He has failed.

Could someone please find the man a handbag?


Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

‘Whatever Sovereignty Bill is enacted today can be repealed tomorrow…’ If such a Bill were to become an Act of Parliament then tomorrow a new parliament could repeal Parliament’s sovereignty.

‘The British Parliament is and remains sovereign because its sovereignty rests with the people and you can’t bind them.’

I wonder what AV Dicey (1835-1922) would make of that? I agree with you: parliamentary sovereignty is nothing if it does not rest upon the shoulders of the people.

It is their ‘sacred treasure’. Truly, once more, if your doctrine gains currency we shall become: ‘We the People’.

29 October 2010 at 10:41  
Anonymous Delroy Oates said...

Cameron's moderation is to be applauded,afterall British interests are best served being at the heart of Europe. It is only the petty nationalistic little britons who don't agree.

Besides which, what rights does Cameron have,as the head of a mere province,in attempting to veto the democratic will of the European Parliament and therefore the European people?

29 October 2010 at 10:41  
Blogger Ingenieur said...

Cameron is only the most recent, in a long line of quislings.

For fifty years this nation's political leaders (of all parties) have gone into European negotiations with much huffing and puffing about defending our interests, and then have meekly sold us out, again and again.

We are never going to forget that Traitor Heath lied to the nation, knowingly and deliberately (as he subsequently admitted) in order to get the "right" result in our vote on remaining in the EEC, and his successors have been doing the same thing ever since.

The nuEU was created by stealth and lies, and is being sustained the same way. Behind all the self-serving and corrupt politicians of Europe we detect the filthy hand of the father of lies.

It will all end in tears.

29 October 2010 at 10:43  
Anonymous graham Wood said...

"David Cameron has now agreed an increase in the EU budget of 2.9 per cent which will cost Britain an additional £430 million. This is nothing short of a betrayal of the nation’s teachers, doctors, nurses, police, fire service and the armed forces."

Well said Cranmer. The 'sceptic troops were marchedto the top of the hill and are now marching down again under the grand strategy of 'Cave in Dave'.
His verdict on the Lisbon Treaty - "We will not let it rest there" is now blown completely out of the water.
Never can this man be trusted again

29 October 2010 at 10:47  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

Your Grace,

With all due respect, what did you expect from Cameron? Even since his climbdown on Lisbon,it has been clear that Cameron is Pro-EU.

29 October 2010 at 10:49  
Anonymous martin sewell said...

Delroy Oates

I think you will find that it is a majority of Britons who are tired of the ever growing State of Europe and its unaccountable spending departments who never manage to provide a properly audited account of what has happened to the money. No other Organisation would be allowed to carry on with such fiscal irresponsibility - in both senses of the term.

29 October 2010 at 10:50  
Blogger Caedmon's Cat said...

Ingenieur -

I fully agree with you. The contempt in which the electorate is held is (and has been) breathtaking. At no time were we presented with the true vision and purpose of the EU (erstwhile 'Common Market') - as a people we were deceived in a fashion that can only be described as vile and treacherous. This is why a good number of people have taken out affidavits against the Queen and withdrawn their loyalty, since treason has been committed. As for me - I am and will remain an anarchist. The EU is one of the principal reasons why.

29 October 2010 at 10:51  
Anonymous Ghost of De Gaulle said...

What's WRONG with people? Cameron is the newest Prime Minister in the EU and should show respect to his more experienced colleagues. Threatening to cut the EU is not the way to make friends in Europe- which is what the bankrupt English need right now!

29 October 2010 at 10:53  
Blogger Willie said...

I have pondered often why any politician would ever cede the one thing he allegedly enjoys and flaunts, that is power over his fellow man, to some other body thereby reducing his status and influence.
It seems to me that simple an argument yet in order to make this peverse move, presumably with the intent that what is being given up will bring greater rewards to the governed in terms of treasure security and justice, there must be some other force at work unseen and most likely evil.
I can see the beast, but why does it hold those in its gaze in thrall? I cannot identify anything that is better in any form since we joined the EEC. Yet we are told we need more unity before we can see the benefits.
For example, the absurdity of being forced to put up a plaque to show the generosity of the EU's funding largesse by recipients of the same should be replaced with plaque showing that without the EU's handling charge, the funding could be 10% greater.
I would be grateful for Your Grace's help in seeing the truth through this "vision thing".

29 October 2010 at 11:02  
Anonymous Karl Von Clausewitz said...

Look at all the benefits that being part of Europe bring.It was a worry with Cameron, but if he agrees to return the Conservatives to the EPP fold, then he might turn out to be a good European. I think we have our Liberal Democratic friends to thank for moderating Cameron's anti-european views. Hopefully if you get PR, then the liberals will always be in government in England and therefore stop any potential problems for the EU.

29 October 2010 at 11:02  
Blogger Autonomous Mind said...

Your Grace, your communicant Lord Lavendon, above, gets to the heart of the issue.

Cameron is only in Number 10 because the Tories are not Labour. The vote for the Conservatives was not a positive one, rather an 'anyone but Brown' protest. Enough British subjects recognised the deception being conducted by Team Cameron and the ideology-free Steve Hilton.

Conservatives in name only is the true identity of Cameron's party.

29 October 2010 at 11:02  
Blogger Bob Gibson said...

Fully agree with the comment about 'Traitor Heath' - along with Brown, the most incompetent PM of recent history. Heath was utterly deceitful in his message to the British people - far worse than Blair on Iraq

29 October 2010 at 11:03  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

Mr Oates

‘British interests are best served being at the heart of Europe.’

Please advise where this heart of Europe is so that a stake can be hammered through it.

‘It is only the petty nationalistic little britons who don't agree.’

To my mate Archie in Hamilton: stop being a petty nationalistic Scot who doesn’t agree with the Scottish Executive.

‘Besides which, what rights does Cameron have,as the head of a mere province,…’

Er… to sell the British people’s sovereignty.

‘… in attempting to veto the democratic will of the European Parliament….’

A parliament that is elected but runs on methane gas. Compared to the Commission, unelected. with all the power: fascism.

‘… and therefore the European people?’

Where is this ‘European people’? There are real people called the Irish. The English, the French, the Dutch… but where does this ‘European people’ reside?

29 October 2010 at 11:03  
Blogger Preacher said...

One feels that there are some postings today that are designed to inflame. Or perhaps they are tongue in cheek attempts at humour. Well we all like a laugh but to be laughing at being mugged by an unscrupulous bunch of scammers is not comedy, it's stupidity.
Dr Cranmer, I take my hat off to your honesty & integrity sir.

29 October 2010 at 11:05  
Blogger Autonomous Mind said...

In response to Karl Von Clausewitz - assuming his comment is not intentionally ironic - may I suggest a glance at this posting which includes a link to the stated 'benefits' of EU membership.

They are far from legion...

29 October 2010 at 11:06  
Anonymous English Braveheart said...

When will we be free of the EU tyranny? This started with the traitor Heath 40 years ago.

29 October 2010 at 11:09  
Anonymous Elliot Kane said...

I have always felt that there is something distinctly untrustworthy about David Cameron. He speaks well of decentralising power and returning it to the people, yet he runs his own party in a very top-down fashion. His 'cast iron guarantees' rust far too easily and his description of himself as the 'heir to Blair' rings all too true.

I would like to be wrong. In fact, I would LOVE to be wrong! I wish for my deep distrust of the man to be comprehensively and utterly cast into ruin by a clear nobility of spirit and action, and by a robust defence of Britain and her interests.

I fear, however, that I will be proved correct in my lack of trust, which makes me very sad indeed.

Britain needs a great Prime Minister who will put the interests of Britain first. How sad it is that we do not seem to have one.

29 October 2010 at 11:48  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Willie (11:02)—I have pondered often why any politician would ever cede the one thing he allegedly enjoys and flaunts, that is power over his fellow man, to some other body thereby reducing his status and influence.

The answer lies partly in this speech by David Miliband, made to the International Institute for Strategic Studies when he was Foreign Secretary...

❛As we move into a multipolar world, power is coalescing around a few regional centres. Not just the USA, but China, India, Brazil. With a nod to Woodrow Wilson’s 1919 Age of Nations, people are starting to talk about an Age of Continents.❜

…and in this speech by Pascal Lamy of the WTO:

❛And yet there is a place on earth where new forms of global governance have been tried following World War II: in Europe. More than half a century ago Jean Monet said: ‘The sovereign nations of the past can no longer provide a framework for the resolution of our present problems: And the European Community itself is no more than a step towards the organizational forms of tomorrow’s world.’ This was as valid then as it is now.
Among the many regional integration attempts, the European Union remains the laboratory of international governance—the place where the new technological frontier of international governance is being tested.❜

The world’s political élites have decided to do away with the nation state for the supranational state. Cameron’s desire for Britain to remain in the European Union is clear evidence that he, too, sees the nation state as having outlived its usefulness.

The nation state, though, is the people’s best hope of remaining free. Continental government can only mean more of what we have at present here in Britain: dictatorship by Brussels disguised by a veneer of sham democracy at Westminster.

29 October 2010 at 11:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johnny R,says it like it is - the future is a few regional zones, of which the EU will be one. Anyone who is anti-eu is just being a ludite.

29 October 2010 at 12:10  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Don't say you weren't warned.

In the meantime, Cranny, will you please have a word with the blog's techies or administrators about the difficulties experienced by some of us when we want to make comments, viz. word verification doesn't show, being replaced instead by a square with a red X in it; passwords not accepted first time. I hope there will soon be an improvement in the service. Thank you.

29 October 2010 at 12:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A bag is required for Mr Cameron, but not a handbag. Let him have one of the bags reserved for servicemen and women killed on active service. After all some of those bags will surely come into use following his government's cancellation of Chinook helicopter procurement.

29 October 2010 at 13:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

UKIP is the only way to achieve a real change in "politics as usual".

You would not need to write of betrayal were Nigel Farage the Prime Minister.

29 October 2010 at 13:57  
Anonymous iain said...

Would it have been too much for a journalist to have asked Cameron ion his press conference...'on what exactly, to the last penny, will the additional £400million of British money be spent?

29 October 2010 at 14:18  
Blogger Little Black Sambo said...

Delroy Oates said...

"Cameron's moderation is to be applauded, after all British interests are best served being at the heart of Europe. It is only the petty nationalistic little britons who don't agree.

Besides which, what rights does Cameron have,as the head of a mere province,in attempting to veto the democratic will of the European Parliament and therefore the European people?"

Delroy, you have exactly caught the tone of our subjugators. But what can we do about it?

29 October 2010 at 14:34  
Blogger Willie said...

Johnny Rottenborough @11:38
Thank you for taking the time to enlighten.
I have read much of the founding fathers' pious meanderings, although in 1945 Europe was a very different place and I understand the wish for a solid peace. This was provided by NATO and the Marshall Plan and the EEC/ EU had no part in it.
If anyone can believe that vapid nonsense Monet spouted, they do not deserve to be placed over us. Empires rise and fall as history teaches us and this one will be no different.
I would like to be able to destroy it. Mind you the UN is no better but that's another target!
It is enough to make you think that NWO and Bilderberg is more than a conspiracy.

29 October 2010 at 15:05  
Anonymous graham Wood said...

Ian asks on what will the extra £450 million of British taxpayer's money be spent?

Ian. Here are just a few examples, there are many more which could be quoted. When did you or I vote for OUR money to be disposed of by the looters in this way?

Although it is a private company, the EU travel agency will next year enjoy a public subsidy topping £1.7million to make sure its politicians and their families fully enjoy their holidays.

Some £26.4million has been pledged for the Euroscola programme, which allows MEPs to pay people to visit them in Brussels on fact-finding trips. Web TV, the European parliamentary channel watched almost exclusively by eurocrats and MEPs, will enjoy an £8million grant next year.

A further £850,000 has been set aside to promote cross-border tourism.

“The profligacy of the European elite and their projects is astonishing. Cars, trips, wine, social clubs, all paid for out of our taxes and of virtually no benefit to anyone bar themselves.”

The revelations came as the Open Europe think tank published research showing that while 192 quangos in Britain face the axe, quango-land in Brussels is thriving.

The cost of EU quangos has tripled over the past five years and will top £2.1billion in 2011, of which £300million is funded by Britain’s hard pressed taxpayers.

The draft budget outlines an eight per cent increase in quango costs, including the creation of five new agencies and support for the existing 47 quangos.

They include the European Institute for Gender Equality, which will receive £46million next year.

29 October 2010 at 15:34  
Blogger Gnostic said...

iDave's dismal failure to get to grips with the enemy (whom he insists we should all be in bed with) comes as no surprise, Your Grace. I guess he shouldn't have reneged on that referendum, should he. But then, what else would we expect from such a twineless spat?

I've said it before and I'll say it again: BETTER OFF OUT!

29 October 2010 at 15:37  
Blogger Caedmon's Cat said...

Anonymous 13:57

Nigel Farage is not the Great White Hope for the anti-EU lobby. For all his rhetoric and posturing, he has done more to legitimise and dignify the EU by appearing at Strasbourg/Brussels in the first place. He - and all fellow-travellers - should stay away.

29 October 2010 at 15:46  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Better off out! ha

Look out of your windows, watch the skies
Read all the instructions with bright blue eyes
Were W.A.S.P.s, proud American sons
We know how to clean our teeth and how to strip down a gun
We're the 51st state of America

Our star-spangled Union Jack flutters so proud
Over the dancing heads of the merry patriotic crowd
Tip your hat to the Yankee conqueror
We've got no reds under the bed with guns under our pillows
We're the 51st state of America

Here in the land of opportunity
Watch US revel in our liberty
You can say what you like
But it doesn't change anything
'Cos the corridors of power
Are an ocean away
We're the 51st state of America


29 October 2010 at 15:57  
Anonymous Christian Socialist said...

This is rich! The Conservatives have long argued that the EU does not listen to its citizens, that it's all behind-the-scenes wheeling and dealing between politicians and officials, etc. But now, when democratically elected representatives of EU citizens, i.e. the European Parliament put forward a proposal to increase the budget, Mr Cameron is using the very strategy that he has criticized and is scheming with other leaders to supress the will of the EU citizens expressed through their democratically elected representatives!

29 October 2010 at 16:18  
Anonymous Colonel Blimpy said...

Look, we don't want the bloody foreigners running us- let's just get out whilst we can!

29 October 2010 at 16:19  
Blogger oldmaid said...


Your belief in conservative principles is well known, but they do not exist in these career politicians that have made a claim on the political beliefs you adhere to.

All 'cast iron' has ever done since at the time of and since the leadership challenge, is strut the rostrum and emit hand-wringing soundbites. Lies to you, I and everyone else.

I remember the leadership challenge well, as I still had a TV and watched it. My children remarked he sounded better than David Davies. My response was yes he says a lot and with panache but tells me nothing. I asked them if they could tell me anything of what he wanted to do?

They couldn't answer, that is no critisim of my children, indeed it was a damning indictment of Cameron.

In contrast they could tell me what Davies wanted to do. I told them not everyone can deliver a good speech, but that does not mean they don't have good intentions. And that sometimes the ability to deliver a good speech is not about style, but about commitment that is tangible to the listener.

Cameron has not changed. He did not call himself 'heir to blair' for nothing.

Now in power, all he has done and intends to do is tinker around the edges, but not dismantle any of the awful State intrusiveness, surveillance, the taxes or the politicians spending on their pet projects.

He will not and refuses to listen to the people. He will like the last lot worj to hidden agendas that meet the requirements of his masters.

I do not call him one of the triumvate for nothing.

He along with Clegg are traitors to this realm and its people, just like Blair & Co.

29 October 2010 at 16:53  
Blogger oldmaid said...

Oops, should have done a spell check first :-/

29 October 2010 at 16:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well done Cast Iron Dave. Maybe only 2.9% is a victory for him. The people like Dave who are 'democratically' elected have had quite an easy ride to get where they are now. I include a large number of those who sit in the House of Commons and are in Government or HM Loyal Opposition. How many have had to really fight to get where they are now? Not many I suppose. That is why Dave and his ilk have no spine. Another excellent opportunity has been wasted when we could have stood, possibly alone, and told our unelected masters that we are not going to pay any increase at all.

Isn't it about time that those eurosceptics who are concerned about the independant future of the UK form a new political party, absorbing UKIP on the way. It could be called The Real Conservative Party (or NuCon or EasyCon). They would have real conservative policies along with a desire to get out of the EU. With the possible advent of the referrendum on the AV voting system it might give undecided conservative or others to at least put TRCP as a second preference.

29 October 2010 at 17:06  
OpenID doctorhuw said...

Your Grace

I find myself disagreeing with you on a point of history.

In 1846, following the repeal of the Corn Laws, the Conservatives returned to office in 1857 (as a minority government). They had further spells in office in 1859 and from 1866-68.

In 1903, they were in government. They remained in government until Balfour resigned in December 1905. After that they were in the wilderness until returning to office as part of a coalition in 1915, and they continued in office in one form or another from then until 1924.

I think you mean 'they could not achieve a parliamentary majority for X years after the event' - which is true. However, that is a question of power, rather than office. The former would lead to the latter, but the latter does not necessarily require the former.

As an aside, were you perhaps inspired in your parallel by EHH Green's 'The Crisis of Conservatism', which drew a very similar conclusion?

As it happens, I agree with you that the EU needs to be cut, and fast. But it's difficult to see how to do it in the present set up without rupturing our trade relations with the continent at the same time, which would cost far more than £430 million.

How to change the set up? That's the conundrum, given that it would require co-operation by other nation states and the EU system itself. As a result I daresay Cameron will wheel and squeal on it without actually achieving much. He's a politician and it's what they're good at.

Oh dear, I do sound cynical don't I?

29 October 2010 at 17:15  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

There is a lot of bluster here and although I am no fan of the EU I would like to know what were the options open to Dave?

29 October 2010 at 17:15  
Anonymous not a machine said...

It should have been 0% increase and if anything cuts glaore , very odd despite hearing early on there was a compromise figure I didnt believe it. There may be some budget reasons for this as the EU is till spending our money in our country for there own purposes .

Your right your grace it doesnt scan well particulary as so many of us had given the new leadership the benefit of the doubt on the cast iron guarentee damp squib .

This is however a big subject and perhaps politically more difficult to change as the troughing is gold plated .One Scam neeted one MEP millions and we dont see the accounts indeed for 13yrs the accounts have not been signed off , hardly castiron club we should be in.

I can only hope that he can hold the eurosceptic band (who have been very trusting) , however if he isnt finding the right politics both in the EU and at home then our choices will be limited .

29 October 2010 at 17:26  
Anonymous IanCad said...

Oh Dear! Have to say we told you so.

29 October 2010 at 17:32  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Cameron's deceit continues, as he now claims 'a spectacular vicotory' by restricting the budget increase to 2.9 percent.

First, the 2.9 percent figure is only preliminary; it is open to detailed discussion and modification and will almost certainly rise. It is really no more than a pretence.

Second, 2.9 percent is considerably more than no increase and even more than a decrease, both of which were Cameron's stated aims.

Third, the pretend 2.9 percent was already on the table without Cameron's involvement.

It all sounds rather like Napoleon's spectacular victory at Waterloo.

29 October 2010 at 17:35  
Blogger Lord Lavendon said...

"There is a lot of bluster here and although I am no fan of the EU I would like to know what were the options open to Dave?"

Graham Davies, the options were:

1.Refuse to pay a penny to the EU and tell Merkel and Sarkosy to stuff any further transfer of power to the unelect.

2.Act in the UK interest, not the EU/Lib Dem one.

3.Send in a battleship with a 1,000 marines,if all else failed!

29 October 2010 at 17:50  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Lordy Lav...

'...Send in a battleship with a 1,000 marines,if all else failed!'

Or possibly an aircraft carrier with fifty French aircraft on it.

29 October 2010 at 18:05  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

Happy day!

29 October 2010 at 18:16  
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29 October 2010 at 18:22  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

Excellent post Your Grace. Not only is the EU monster ruled by a unelected, overpaid bunch of self-serving egoists. The millions which have gone through their books are entirely unaudited. Don't we have any rights?

29 October 2010 at 18:24  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Delroy Oates @ 10.41 ...your opinion, like your name choice, is silly, facile and shallow...or is it a 'wind-up'?

Britain is indeed 'little' but its greatness has been in overcoming such paucity of thought as you exhibit; or perhaps 'pretend' to exhibit?

29 October 2010 at 18:40  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Bob Gibson @ 11.03 ... NEVER a truer word said!

29 October 2010 at 18:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I admire Your Grace's tenacity in sticking up for Cameron. But this outcome was utterly inevitable. Cameron is relishing the cover of coalition to continue the betrayal of Britain.

You say he has failed, but to him, ensuring the continued subservience to the EU politburo will feel like a success.

He makes me sick to the pit of my stomach.

29 October 2010 at 18:48  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

Anonymous said...

UKIP is the only way to achieve a real change in "politics as usual".

You would not need to write of betrayal were Nigel Farage the Prime Minister.

29 October 2010 13:57

Should Nigel Farage have voted for this?

29 October 2010 at 21:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Besides which, what rights does Cameron have,as the head of a mere province,in attempting to veto the democratic will of the European Parliament and therefore the European people?"

Delroy Oates,

What right did the political classes have to bring about this unconsitutional and unsolicited state of affairs?

29 October 2010 at 22:28  
Blogger ukipwebmaster said...

Herman Van Rompuy, the EU president is later to have said in a meeting of MEPs that 2.9 per cent was "an opinion, not a decision":

29 October 2010 at 23:04  
Anonymous len said...

David Cameron sold out!
And by doing so he joined the ranks of the grasping, self serving ,mediocre band who'rule'our Country.

The E U throws Cameron a 'bone' to make him look good for his public image.

What a farce!

29 October 2010 at 23:11  
Anonymous PaganPride said...

Isn't it strange - all these politicians who are going to hold the EU to account prior to their election ... then do a spectacular back flip when they get elected!

It's almost as if they were bought and sold !!

30 October 2010 at 00:35  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

He's still done better than any other party leader would have done. Remember he still has to compromise with the libs. This is not to say that the EU's request for more money to burn is even remotely inoffensive of course.

Nice to see you're back in the tubes YG, I have to admit I haven't been checking for a while.

30 October 2010 at 01:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's hard to believe that even over-protected aristos can act in such total disregard of a still sophisticated majority.

Indeed, however impermeable their insulation, someone perceives the feeling against them. Otherwise they wouldn't have set up a military police force and developed its air-arm. Perhaps even our own armed forces will be turned against us - once the foreigners infiltrate those strongholds.

wv: uncsingl

30 October 2010 at 04:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace,I assume your lack of pleasure you express in writing the article is tempered by the foreknowledge that it was
quite inevitable?

Cameron is an appalling little man.
Pragmatism is one thing.
Deception and cowardice are quite another.

30 October 2010 at 07:37  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

I have been waiting patiently, in bed, with brutally sore Achilles tendons, for His Grace's Saturday post. The notion of giving Dave a handbag has been circulating through my mediocre brain. While I can appreciate His Grace's intended meaning here, I have to say that I don't think a handbag will make the necessary transformation. But a Holy Bible?

I have been reading about Dante's Divine Comedy this morning, which brought me onto the qualities of Grace. "No one with eyes to see can sit impassively at the vision of God’s love". From the disordered state in which Dante had fallen at the beginning of his poem, he becomes progressively cleansed of his disordered affections through the grace of God and the intercession of Beatrice until finally he is able to pass through the heavens and stand in the presence of God. But Dante only sees God’s depths after he has been interiorly transformed. Assuming the retreatant has devoted himself to meditation and the internal promptings of the Holy Spirit, a transformation has taken place which allows one to see the world anew, because he sees God anew. Like Dante, we struggle to find words adequately to describe this experience. It only opens up to the one who has been transformed. Therefore, we will simply describe the prayer as St. Ignatius outlines it and leave it to the retreatant to experience it individually.

This brings me onto the Four Cardinal Virtues:

Prudence - able to judge between actions with regard to appropriate actions at a given time.

Justice - proper moderation between self-interest and the rights and needs of others.

Restraint or Temperance - practicing self-control, abstention, and moderation.

Courage or Fortitude - forbearance, endurance, and ability to confront fear and uncertainty, or intimidation.

AND The Three Theological virtues

Faith - steadfastness in belief.

Hope - expectation of and desire of receiving; refraining from despair and capability of not giving up.

Charity - selfless, unconditional, and voluntary loving-kindness such as helping one's neighbors.

I don't think the 'old handbag' even came close.

30 October 2010 at 11:27  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...


For some weird reason I omitted a paragraph about St Ignatius and the Contemplatio - that is the prayer I was referring to. So much for projecting and air of spontaneity.

30 October 2010 at 11:42  
Anonymous cast iron said...

Lord Lavendon said..

" 1.Refuse to pay a penny to the EU and tell Merkel and Sarkosy to stuff any further transfer of power to the unelect."

That's not an option. They don't need us to agree to pay. If we don't pay then they will just take the money anyway. Under the Lisbon Treaty there is no veto. They will get the money by stopping the release of payments to the UK for other projects.
No further transfer of power is necessary. The Lisbon Treaty allows powers to be increased without the need for a troublesome vote.

30 October 2010 at 12:07  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Let us not lose hope

Part 1 of 2: from The Journal of the Unknown Prophet

These fires, God said were kindling fires – they were very small – hardly noticeable on the map – but they burned furiously – and had fiercely burning blue flames – and then I saw that some kind of NET was being loosed from the heavenlies down to earth – and I heard the Lord say – “THIS IS THE SNARE OF HEAVEN” – and I saw a great angelic host – the warring host of Heaven being dispatched across Great Britain and Europe and other Northern-most and Middle-Eastern parts of the earth with swords that glistened like flaming fires – And the Lord said – “As in the ancient of times – so as My people humble themselves and pray – a great and mighty roar of battle shall be unleashed from the heavenlies – and My mighty warring angels shall go forth – for I shall send them from the North and from the South.” God was saying these were the fires of wicked men and organisations across Great Britain and Europe and beyond…

Then I saw prayer start to rise – first from small pockets of intercessors across the British Isles – these were not just prayer movements and organisations – but they were the heartfelt prayers of the saints from towns and villages all across Great Britain – these were the praying mothers and grandmothers and grandfathers – these were the prayers of the intercessors across great Britain – and yes – they were mostly women in their homes and in tiny prayer and home groups – fallen on their knees and on their faces – and I could see that they had the full attention of the Lord – and then I saw the men – and the men were the ministers of God – and the pastors and the ministers from all across Britain rose and joined their prayers in the Spirit with the prayers of the handmaidens – and the prophets started to prophesy – and join with the apostles and the intercessors – and then they were joined by the praying saints from across pockets in Europe and then from the North, East, South and West – and I saw a great hand arise from the North and the South and the East and the West – And the Lord said “Because of the heartfelt prayers of My saints – I shall send my Angelic Host and the sound of their battle cry shall resound through the four corners of the earth as they prepare to meet the Princes of Darkness – For I tell you My children – A great and terrible darkness has been unleashed upon the earth in these days – BUT I am raising up an army – I am raising up a mighty army of My people who will gird themselves up for battle – and as the sound of their voices rises up to me – and as the sound of their prayers – of their supplications comes before my throne – so in turn – My mighty warring angels be unleashed to do battle in the heavenlies…

Then the Lord showed me a large lion – and He said – “This lion represents the nation of Great Britain” – And it was a shocking sight – for where the lion should have been filled out and sleek and gleaming – it was almost a skeleton – and its mane was barely visible – and its coat was covered in mange – and its roar which should have shaken the nations in its power and in its ferocity was strangled and barely audible. And the Lord said “This represents both the glory of this nation at present and the state of My church as a whole in Great Britain. And I saw in great letters – the words – “THE GLORY HAS DEPARTED FROM THE LION – BUT THE GLORY OF THE LORD OF HOSTS SHALL RETURN AND THE LION SHALL ROAR AGAIN…”

30 October 2010 at 12:17  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Part 2

The Lord said – “These are the deep roots of secularism and humanism that have taken deep root in this nation – these are the roots that are eroding this nation’s faith! – And I saw thousands upon thousands of people bowing in obedience to this tree and the roots were tightly twisted around their ankles – but they seemed totally unaware of this – that they were bound – and so they rejected the faith of their fathers – and I saw a great scoffing and a great decline in the traditions and the foundations of the past – and this mass of people was divided into two camps – the first huge mass of people whose ankles were bound by the gnarling roots of the green tree from Europe were younger and seemed more modern in their approach – and I saw written over their head – ‘UNBELIEF’ – ‘CYNICISM’ – ‘HUMANISM’ – and the foliage and green leaves seemed to shadow their heads – and I sensed that they were being attacked at a cerebral level…

But the second group seemed to be those whose roots and foundations were from the established traditional denominations of Britain – yet they were just as affected as this first group – but I saw written over their head – ‘PRIDE’ – ‘SKEPTICISM’ – ‘CLOSED MINDEDNESS’ and I sensed that the roots around their ankles had bound them in a different manner – that even if they heard the call of the Spirit in these days that the spiritual forces had them so bound that they could not move with the tide and the times of God – and I saw the green foliage literally cover and shadow their foreheads and eyes and I saw the word blinding…

Then as people dropped to their knees all over Britain from every walk of life and denomination – the lion started to change – and He grew strong and sleek and his roar grew stronger. And I saw written in the spirit – “Create in me a clean heart O God – and renew a right spirit within me”. And as the people started to seek the face of the Lord I saw the word ‘COURAGE’ – and I knew that in the spirit realm that Great Britain had been endowed from the beginning of time with the mantle ‘COURAGE’ – and the Lord said ‘LIONHEART’ …

And God said Britain has yet to move into her end time destiny in the nations - And I saw again in great letters – the words – “THE GLORY HAS DEPARTED FROM THE LION – BUT THE GLORY OF THE LORD OF HOSTS SHALL RETURN”. And the lion’s roar by now had gained strength…


“And like Wilberforce – My apostolic voices shall rise in the Houses of Parliament – they shall arise in London – they shall arise in Edinburgh – they shall arise in the North of England – and even as the unions had a voice in past years that was strident and rose above the crowds and became the voice of the masses – so in like manner shall My Church’s voice start to be heard in a manner far above and beyond this present days…

30 October 2010 at 12:18  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

D Singh

I hope part 3 mentions the Prphet of Dignity & Respect.

Poor woman is having a mental breakdown for sure.

30 October 2010 at 12:45  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Mr D Singh:
'...from The Journal of the Unknown Prophet...'

What complete tosh.

(P.S. Word verification and password working perfectly today. Let's hope it has been fixed permanently, and thanks to whoever did it.)

30 October 2010 at 13:11  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Anabaptist of course her identity is now known but 'tosh'?

The history of empires teaches us that a power constructed on the continental scale, such as the EU, will eventually commission a series of actions that will break the will of a people.

When you rob a man of the will to act freely in a righteous manner you rob the man of everything that he holds dear. Once a power has done that, the remarkable paradox is this: he is free again.

30 October 2010 at 13:22  
Anonymous len said...

Babylon is being re-built in Europe it has taken several Centuries,countless wars, millions of deaths,but finally the empire of Man is being re-erected on the plains of Brussels.
Any Religion will be accepted in our European Empire as long as God(by God I mean the God of Abraham ,Isaac and Jacob) is not involved in it.Just let them have their religious rituals and ceremonies they are no threat to us,unless they start with that radical Jesus thing, that would never do, far too extreme! Political Correctness should silence anyone who actually dares speak the True Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Atheists will be welcome for without knowledge of the reality of what is going on they will easily be taken in .Indoctrinate the children in Evolution and ridicule God and in a few generations they will not even know He exists.Strip Nations of any real power,of their sovereignty, of their identity, and give them the illusion that they actually Govern themselves.

Yes,its all coming along nicely,by the time people wake up and realise what is happening it will be too late,probably too late already.

30 October 2010 at 15:15  
Blogger English Pensioner said...

He's worse than Ted Heath.
At least Ted Heath left us in no doubt as to his aims, Cameron on the other hand pretends to be a Euro Sceptic and lies through his teeth.
My wife's view "Cameron's not a real man" is explained in my own blog.

30 October 2010 at 16:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

English Penshioner

How does one access your own blog? There is no mention of it on your Profile.

30 October 2010 at 17:14  
Blogger SoupWaiter said...

It may be true that "half of all our laws" come from Brussels but it is still Parliament that enacts them. Many, probably most, member states are less cooperative - as is their right. The British have only themselves to blame, at least their politicians.

30 October 2010 at 17:31  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

Your Grace

I hope you do not sink into another depression over this. Might I suggest a visit to the SoupWaiter's blog (above comment), in order to cheer you up.

30 October 2010 at 18:02  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

He's worse than Ted Heath.
At least Ted Heath left us in no doubt as to his aims, Cameron on the other hand pretends to be a Euro Sceptic and lies through his teeth.
My wife's view "Cameron's not a real man" is explained in my own blog.

Not at all, Heath left us in plenty of doubt as to many things very much including his aims regarding the future of the then EEC.

For the sake of any better consensual idea as to what is really motivating Camerons actions, I think we can call it a tie.

Having said that, I do indeed know EXACTLY what motivated Heath, Healy Blair, Brown, and now motivates Cameron. The Bilderberg Group apart from many other such establishment inspired, financed, and promoted organizations.

For you can be absolutely certain that our leaders have a very important reason to fear their real bosses, infinitely more then they do completely powerless ordinary voters.

Namely if they do as they are told, they will go down in the establishments history books as being great statesmen, while quickly becoming Tony blair type rich.

If they do not, they may become heros of the people in some respects, but they will most surely become JFK type dead, or more metaphorically stabbed in the back in true Thatcher stile.

As a general rule.

Saying NO NO NO to the establishment gets you either politically or actually DEAD DEAD DEAD.

30 October 2010 at 20:40  
Anonymous not a machine said...

There would seem to be little value in pointing out how many of us are a little confused on how to ensure some more success on the eurosceptic argument . You have to have conviction that the EU will not behave in a satisfactory way and never really has politically.

What did no the euro on Camerons watch mean ? never or just until no one is bothered .Are the some aspects of the euro projects his cabinet like , or wondering if they could bat away the scare stroies ?

It is perhaps the first time Cameron has been caught so precison like on the EU . I dont particulary see Boris being anything different , and clearly Labour are not able to to put any problems across , the lib dems will of course deny any problems until it really doesnt work .

The strange thing is how some of the once instant unquestionable support will be looking on and wondering not just on Cameron but on some his team , the lack of message may cause more problems further on . But you cannot be looking across the Atlantic and not hearing the Tea party , some rants come from a different time , but some are making the point that it is the people who are being robbed of democracy , some even are asking questions about manfestos and bills .

The one thing this has done is pose the complex mechanics of pulling out of the EU , it may help if its uk expenditure budget was put under control of our parliament for the investment that we may need , but I doubt even that is do able.

Powerful unelected people intend to rule , I am searching for the fairness , somewhat in vain.

31 October 2010 at 01:08  
Blogger ZAROVE said...

In my ideal world, the Crown woudl be given real power, the Hereditary peers restoree, and new Life Peers selected by the Lords or the Queen, NOT Politicians.

The Commons woudl remain elected but woud no longer be free to do anythign it pelased and a proper set of checks and balanced woudl exist.

The Cmmonwealth would become a conederacy, and the UK indeoendant of the EU.

But today we se the world in the clintches of Liberalism and the EU is seen as the ONLY way forward, so other options aren't considered.

I am not at all surprised by Camerons betrayal, he is a modenr politician after all.

31 October 2010 at 06:26  
Anonymous len said...

Looking at the World today I see how little things have changed from the days of Isaiah in the Bible.We have advanced technologically in leaps and bounds but human nature is basically unchanged.Man cannot change himself and the Humanistic error that man is basically good is a lie proved by the evidence to the contrary.Only God can change a man from the inside out.

31 October 2010 at 07:38  
Anonymous len said...

Isaiah 59 (Does this not describe us?)

Surely the arm of the LORD is not too short to save,
nor his ear too dull to hear.
But your iniquities have separated
you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you,
so that he will not hear.

For your hands are stained with blood,
your fingers with guilt.
Your lips have spoken lies,
and your tongue mutters wicked things.

No one calls for justice;
no one pleads his case with integrity.
They rely on empty arguments and speak lies;
they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.

They hatch the eggs of vipers
and spin a spider's web.
Whoever eats their eggs will die,
and when one is broken, an adder is hatched.

Their cobwebs are useless for clothing;
they cannot cover themselves with what they make.
Their deeds are evil deeds,
and acts of violence are in their hands.

Their feet rush into sin;
they are swift to shed innocent blood.
Their thoughts are evil thoughts;
ruin and destruction mark their ways.

The way of peace they do not know;
there is no justice in their paths.
They have turned them into crooked roads;
no one who walks in them will know peace.

So justice is far from us,
and righteousness does not reach us.
We look for light, but all is darkness;
for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows.

Like the blind we grope along the wall,
feeling our way like men without eyes.
At midday we stumble as if it were twilight;
among the strong, we are like the dead.

We all growl like bears;
we moan mournfully like doves.
We look for justice, but find none;
for deliverance, but it is far away.

For our offenses are many in your sight,
and our sins testify against us.
Our offenses are ever with us,
and we acknowledge our iniquities:

rebellion and treachery against the LORD,
turning our backs on our God,
fomenting oppression and revolt,
uttering lies our hearts have conceived.

So justice is driven back,
and righteousness stands at a distance;
truth has stumbled in the streets,
honesty cannot enter.

Truth is nowhere to be found,
and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey.
The LORD looked and was displeased
that there was no justice.

He saw that there was no one,
he was appalled that there was no one to intervene;
so his own arm worked salvation for him,
and his own righteousness sustained him.

He put on righteousness as his breastplate,
and the helmet of salvation on his head;
he put on the garments of vengeance
and wrapped himself in zeal as in a cloak.

According to what they have done,
so will he repay
wrath to his enemies
and retribution to his foes;
he will repay the islands their due.

From the west, men will fear the name of the LORD,
and from the rising of the sun, they will revere his glory.
For he will come like a pent-up flood
that the breath of the LORD drives along.

"The Redeemer will come to Zion,
to those in Jacob who repent of their sins,"
declares the LORD.

"As for me, this is my covenant with them," says the LORD. "My Spirit, who is on you, and my words that I have put in your mouth will not depart from your mouth, or from the mouths of your children, or from the mouths of their descendants from this time on and forever," says the LORD.

31 October 2010 at 07:44  
Anonymous Ade said...

H G Wells wrote, millions will die protesting against the New World Order.

H G Wells was a member of the Fabian Society, Just like a few of our recent politicians.

7 November 2010 at 21:44  

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