Thursday, November 11, 2010

‘The end of Britain as an independent nation state… the end of a thousand years of history.’

These were the words of Hugh Gaitskell at the 1962 Labour Party Conference, as he warned of the inevitability of surrendered sovereignty should the UK become a member of the EEC. He continued: ‘You may say “let it end” but, my goodness, it is a decision that needs a little care and thought.’

But with almost no care and very little thought, a decade later the UK acceded to the Treaty of Rome. The world didn’t end and British history continued. So Gaitskell’s speech must have seemed somewhat histrionic. But successive European treaties have shown that his fears clearly had foundation, and yesterday’s speech by President Herman Van Rompuy (made in Berlin, of all places) should leave us in no doubt.

As the EU’s auditors fail to approve the accounts the 16th consecutive year, our President told us that the age of nation states is over and the eurosceptism leads to war.

Funny, that.

His Grace thought it was a lack of democracy and the lust for power and geopolitical supremacy which led to war, and that the EU was shaping up perfectly to foment precisely the sort of oppression which leads to social breakdown and civil disorder.

President Van Romupy’s speech is really quite astonishingly hubristic: not since the Jesuitical Jacques Delors called for the creation of a country called Europe has a eurocrat been so audacious. He said:

The time of the homogenous nation-state is over…
The national and the European interest can no longer be separated; they coincide…
We have together to fight the danger of a new Euro-scepticism.
This is no longer the monopoly of a few countries.
In every Member State, there are people who believe their country can survive alone in the globalised world.
It is more than an illusion: it is a lie!

Franklin Roosevelt said: 'The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.'
The biggest enemy of Europe today is fear.
Fear leads to egoism, egoism leads to nationalism, and nationalism leads to war (“le nationalisme, c’est la guerre” (F. Mitterrand)). Today’s nationalism is often not a positive feeling of pride of one’s own identity, but a negative feeling of apprehension of the others.
Whilst accepting that extreme expressions of nationalism may indeed lead to conflict, and that our earthly survival is dependent on mutuality, cooperation and compromise, President Van Rompuy seems unable to conceive of a political model beyond his native Belgium or of spiritual virtue beyond that of his monthly monastic retreats.

Perhaps if His Grace were an ashamed Belgian with devout Catholic monkish tendencies, he might adopt the creed and doctrine of the President.

But he is not: His Grace is an Englishman of distinctly Anglican conviction, and his doctrine and creed made the United Kingdom what it is. It is the democratic nation state that has kept the peace; not advanced the cause of war. It is national identity that has created security; not precipitated fear. It is patriotism which manifests itself in Euro-scepticism; not bigotry, xenophobia or egoism.

As 25 Conservative backbenchers defied the Whip yesterday in rebellion over ‘European Union Economic Governance’, we await another Whiggish Non-Conformist to proclaim ‘No, no, no!’ to the Delorsian divine right.

God will speak through whom He wills, even a numb-skulled, money-grabbing seer, or his ass (Num 22-24). Whether sinner or saint, a believer in the one true God or not, Balaam was inspired to declare God’s will and was given a vision of his nation’s future destiny. From time to time, Britain has raised its own 'eccentrics' who have sounded the alarm. Hugh Gaitskell did it for Labour; Enoch Powell did it for the Conservatives. The following article from The Times (4 June 1975) may have been a word of Jeremiah-like prophecy, for which the author paid the inevitable price of being dismissed as a merchant of doom and derided in perpetuity for daring to philosophise on the eternal social consequences of short-term political policy. His arguments are more relevant now that they were a generation ago:

It is the old, old worry: will the British people perceive in time what is happening to them and where they are being taken? If they do, I am not afraid for the outcome. But will they?

The nation is being invited to confirm the surrender, and the permanent surrender, of its most precious possession: its political independence and parliamentary self-government, the right to live under laws and to pay taxes authorised only by Parliament and to be governed by policies for which the executive is fully accountable through Parliament to the electorate. Above and beyond all the arguments about butter mountains and Brussels bureaucrats there lies a stark fact, undenied and undeniable. It is undenied because that is what the European Communities Act of 1972 says; it is undeniable because that is why the advocates of British membership commend it. The difficulty is that to most British people the thing is inconceivable - as I remember that the idea of the Second World War was inconceivable to most of them during most of the 30s. “But surely,” they often say, “the French and the Germans and the other member states have not given up their independence and self-government, and don’t intend to.” The question - and the answer to it - are typical of the mutual incomprehension between Britain and the Continent in matters political.

The answer is, “Yes, they have given up their independence and self-government; they fully intended this and that to them is what the EEC is about.”

Let us take a closer look at the founder Six. The West Germans make no secret of not merely not desiring, but actually fearing to be an independent nation: the EEC is for them an insurance against themselves. For the Low Countries - Benelux - national independence was something never more than precariously secured to them by a balance of power in Western Europe in which, with good reason from experience, they have lost faith. Their position as provinces in a West European state, or as states in a West European federation, would represent no noticeable loss. In Belgium especially the pride of independence and distinctiveness and of self-government has belonged, since the Middle Ages, to the city and not to the territory.

About the strength and reality of the national pride of the French there is no manner of doubt, but it attaches neither to independence nor still less to democratic self-government. The Fifth Republic is nearer to an elective dictatorship than to parliamentary democracy. A Frenchman in the Council of Ministers, or the will of the French executive brought to bear through the institutions of the Community, is for France the reality of national power - the wider stage on which Louis XIV, Bonaparte or General de Gaulle perform the greater glory of France. Nothing could be more remote from French experience or conception than our British inability to understand liberty and nationhood apart from the supremacy and independence of Parliament.

Italian nationality owes even less to parliamentary self-government than does that of France. A federation of European states in which Italy was absorbed would seem but a natural extension of the process by which modern Italy was so recently assembled from its diverse component parts.

The case of Italy is a reminder too that all the founder states of the Community, in sharp contrast with ourselves, are historically familiar with the idea of a larger and European imperium exercising an acknowledged, if for long a shadowy, authority which oversteps national boundaries. The rule of an external law is nothing new or strange to them, whereas for close on 500 years - the whole of our history since the Middle Ages - the very notion has been totally repugnant to the English. When kings like Henry VIII, and Edward I before him, declared that ‘this realm is an empire of itself’, they were speaking the mind of the Englishman.

Even when the Community seems to our ears to be using the language of parliamentary sovereignty, it is really talking about something quite different. The directly elected European parliament, which is integral to the Treaty of Rome and which the other members of the Community are serious in envisaging for no more than two or three years ahead, has nothing but the name in common with what we mean by Parliament and what Parliament means to us. It is another instrument for creating a new artificial state, a delegate assembly perfectly intelligible and familiar to member states whose written constitutions, which brought them into existence, prescribed just such assemblies.

To us, a parliament not representing an electorate so homogeneous as to accept the majority as binding the minority and the institution as endowing with authority the outcome of debate, is an absurdity or a monstrosity, a device in our terms essentially undemocratic. Parliament for us does not produce unity: it is the expression of a pre-existing unity.

The British people have no notion of what the rest of the Community assumes that they are meaning by accepting membership. The mutual misunderstanding would only be heightened and rendered more dangerous if British membership appeared to be confirmed by a method which the rest would mistake for the equivalent of one of their own constitutional procedures.

Before and during the referendum campaign, the supporters of British membership, with a few honourable exceptions, have not only not endeavoured to make this clear to the electors, they have gone out of their way to soothe away any suspicion that the renunciation of nationhood through Community membership is fundamental, deliberate and relatively imminent. All the more bitter and damaging would be the revulsion on both sides when the realisation eventually dawned that each had been deceived. Albion Perfide is a slander; but it is a slander we have often courted, and never more recklessly than now.
When Enoch Powell confronted head-on the lies of the Heath government, he was dismissed as a bigoted eccentric. Those who dare may now acknowledge his dimensions of truth, but prophets are always easier to understand in retrospect. Whatever the future of the British may be, it is still God who ‘removeth kings and setteth up kings’ (Dan 2:21), and what he does for kings he doubtless also does for prime ministers. Let us pray, for the battle for the soul of Britain has never been so great, nor so subtle.


Anonymous Anonymous said...

From David Lonsdale


11 November 2010 at 10:34  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Your Grace, once again the great lie that Britain cannot survive alone.

Of course it can.

There are many nations of comparable size that do, Turkey and South Korea to name but two. The great Commonwealth democracies of Canada and australia, with a combined population equal to that of the UK, both survive independently.

Herman Van Rompuy is the former leader of one failed state, Belgium, and current leader of another, the EU. His advice can be ignored, safely.

11 November 2010 at 11:02  
Blogger Gnostic said...

And iDave still thinks he knows best about our membership of the EU?

Note to Cameron:

Give us our referendum you vacuous, scumbag traitor!

11 November 2010 at 11:02  
Anonymous Kiwi said...

EU dictator in waiting, Rumpy Pumpy, seems not to have noticed that the rest of the world functions quite well outside of the EU.

11 November 2010 at 11:06  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

Students demonstrating against increased tuition fees=30,000+,electorate demonstrating on st stevens green for the right to a referendum=500+,it seems that pockets are more important than principles,the right political attitude,more important than proficiency and democracy meerly an inconvience,and the soul has not been heard of since we were an homogenous nation,but until my countrymen can be bothered to get up off thier arses and travel to westminster to DEMAND thier rights,we have no future.

11 November 2010 at 11:15  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

6 months ago we had a chance to show our disdain. In most - probably all - constituencies there was a UKIP or BNP or an Independent who would have brought us out of the EU. But even your good self Cranmer - perpetuated the myth that these would be wasted votes. So you advocated the Conservative party as offering the best re-arrangement of the deck chairs on this Titanic nation.

Treaty 'locks' and 'negotiations' will not do. Only complete cessation of political ties will do.

Maybe next time - if there is one - people might listen. Yet I doubt it - the fear of being called a bigot or an extremist is all it takes to intimidate most people. The fear of man is indeed a deadly snare.

11 November 2010 at 11:16  
Blogger ukipwebmaster said...

The Con-Dem party:

The Tea party:

11 November 2010 at 11:21  
Anonymous JayBee said...

Rumpy's running scared. Euroscepticism is multiplying across the continent and might fight back big time. His assertion that independent nation states cannot survive in a globalized world is rubbish. Try telling that to Norway or better still Switzerland. It is he that is deluded and lying through his teeth.

It is the EU whose survival is in doubt for it is and empire built on sand. Its foundations of stealth and deception are already being undermined by its own corruption, bloated legislation and a dodgy currency. In these times of fragile global economics one good kick by a united front of Euroscepticism and the whole rotten edifice could collapse under the weight of its own bureacracy.

And good riddance.

In the meantime we are lumbered with Cameron. Who will wield a political hatchet and rid us of this traitorous europhile?

11 November 2010 at 11:49  
Blogger defender said...

I find it very hard to understand what your point is Cranmer.
Those of us who have been banging on about this EU invasion for years have been ridiculed and made out to be absolute scum, but now you see a chink of the truth its all acceptable to utter words of horror at what must be a sudden relevation to you.
There are those who have been harrased, menanced, beaten, suffered loss of employment, financial loss, loss of freedom and more and you have not recoginised those sacrifices.
IMO, you have rendered to Ceasar and not to the flock.
I am nothing more than a loyal commoner of very humble means but I am a man in honour, as equal to any other man in the land.

11 November 2010 at 12:08  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

I find it difficult to disagree with Mr defender. We who kept warning against voting for Cameron did so for this very reason. He had already reneged on his cast-iron referendum guarantee (the ratification issue is a red herring, as Cranny knows: parliament could simply have de-ratified following a referendum result). It was obvious which way he was leaning.

His claim to be eurosceptic was a blatant ploy and clearly without substance. He had the opportunity to substantiate it by keeping his promise (which, by the way, would have resulted in a majority Conservative government).

Those of us who warned about him were vilified before and after the general election.

I voted for UKIP. It will take an awful lot to get me to vote Tory ever again.

11 November 2010 at 12:55  
Anonymous PJ said...

Where is Cranmer's analysis of the student riots?

11 November 2010 at 13:07  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

@pj, I think you're mistaking this blog for a rolling news service. You may well ask where's Cramner's religio-political analysis of all the other newsworthy items?

11 November 2010 at 13:10  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

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11 November 2010 at 13:59  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

From time to time, Britain has raised its own ‘eccentrics’ who have sounded the alarm.

Judging by what Mr Cameron says, he may well be the eccentric who will save us from Euro-dictatorship. He shamelessly parades his Euro-scepticism; if we were to cut him in two, we would find ‘the national interest’ written on him like a stick of rock; in China, he has lauded parliamentary democracy.

And, when asked by Kate Hoey if there were any chance of a referendum on our membership of the EU, Mr Cameron replied: I do not believe in an in-out referendum for many reasons. I think we are better off in the European Union…

Praising democracy abroad while strangling it at home: eccentric ✔
Euro-scepticism combined with a refusal to leave the EU: eccentric ✔
Wrapping himself in the flag/stick of rock while betraying us: eccentric ✔

11 November 2010 at 14:02  
Blogger steve said...

I can never ever remember his name.

Actually I forget that his post of EU President actually exists!

11 November 2010 at 14:40  
Anonymous Tony B said...

blimey, you do go on.

Either we are part of Europe, and stronger together, or we stand alone against the big boys. Russia, China, the USA. One of them will gobble us up. Simple.

Word Verification: bless

very apt.

11 November 2010 at 15:09  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

We don't have to belong to the eu. There are other choices. (apart from from being the much-maligned Little Englanders) How about NAFTA? It's free, they speak English (of sorts) and we get to keep feet pounds and Fahrenheit as a bonus

11 November 2010 at 15:15  
Anonymous Tony B said...

Grumpy - as I said, the USA will gobble us up.

11 November 2010 at 15:35  
Anonymous Andrew Lilico said...

Herman Van Rompuy:
The biggest enemy of Europe today is fear. Fear leads to egoism, egoism leads to nationalism, and nationalism leads to war

Master Yoda:
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering

Do you suppose that Herman actually put on a Master Yoda accent as he said it?

11 November 2010 at 15:40  
Blogger Rory the Tory said...

sooner or later we will hit the streets over this. My suggestion is give up this decision over fees to the EU. Then you will see Brussels ransacked for good

11 November 2010 at 15:48  
Anonymous Michael Fowke said...

How will the EU fight the eurosceptics? By rounding them up and putting them in camps?

11 November 2010 at 16:01  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Mr Andrew Lilico:
'Do you suppose that Herman actually put on a Master Yoda accent as he said it?'

Well spotted. But not need did he the accent to put on. That way speaks he already.

11 November 2010 at 16:03  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

To be fair to some people here Your Grace, you do suffer from tunnel vision when it comes to the conservative party. I remember one certain comment where you told us that you had sat next to Dave once and had a good old chin wag, and you attempted to reassure us that he was the man for the job. Certain people on here warned you, in a manner not unlike a prophet, that Dave was full of shit, but your tunnel vision was thus that you cannot see outside of it, and here you now quote prophets of old, and we are supposed to be suddenly awakened to the truth - what old bollocks, I very little time for it.

11 November 2010 at 16:08  
Anonymous Bede said...

England (and Britain) is geographically, historically and culturally a part of Europe. We need to have close cooperation with our continental neighbours - perhaps some form of association.

But the present EU is not fit for purpose. It is a top-down autocracy, undemocratic, highly bureaucratic and financially very corrupt.

We need to assert our sovereignty in order to build a system of genuine cooperation.

11 November 2010 at 16:09  
Blogger Preacher said...

Dr Cranmer.
What a surprise that the EU have failed to pass the annual audit for the sixteenth consecutive year.
This sabre rattling speech by a so called 'president' has undertones of threat (war) if other nations do not comply with the dictates of this illegal organisation. All the 'member states' have all the justification that is needed to leave the un-fairyland that is the EU to the posturing & antics of this strange dwarfish little man & his disciples of greed.
For heavens sake Cameron grow up to the stature of a Prime Minister & a British One at that, LEAVE the EU & start to repair the damage that the last two decades have resulted from joining in the first place. The Nation turns its eyes to you. This is why you were given office, unrest & anarchy are already growling at the door, 'Cometh the hour, cometh the man' are you him or should we look elsewhere?.
W.V bowaxes.

11 November 2010 at 16:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Enoch Powell was a true prophet, not just about Europe but about immigration too.

11 November 2010 at 16:37  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

Cranmer said

it is still God who ‘removeth kings and setteth up kings’ (Dan 2:21), and what he does for kings he doubtless also does for prime ministers. Let us pray, for the battle for the soul of Britain has never been so great, nor so subtle.

Do you really mean “pray” or is it just a figure of speech?

Thwarting the likes of Von Rumpy Tumpy will require sitting on our parliamentary representatives rather than pews.

But it may have to get worse before it gets better, if Ireland defaults on its sovereign debt, as now seems possible, the domino effect on Greece and Spain will send the whole of Euroland into another financial crisis, dragging us with it as we have considerable exposure to Irish banks. The turmoil could mean some countries leaving the Euro and perhaps forcing them to leave the EU as well.

In the coalition the LibDems have demonstrated pragmatism or betrayal depending on your view and I predict that they too will become Eurosceptic by the next election. Perhaps then there will be a political consensus that our terms of membership of the EU will have to be completely rewritten with our complete withdrawal being a serious option.

11 November 2010 at 16:58  
Anonymous not a machine said...

I dont know wether Herman van Rumpouy has offended my human rights , but your graces post warms me from tip to toe .I liked your paragraph "an Englishman of distinct Anglican conviction" lest we forget our countrys long worked attempt at that aspect.
It is perhaps best to imagine two vessels , one is draining into the other , it is tranfusion of the lifeblood of nation states ,without much care for the donar all too Darwinian for my liking .
The EU has been one long luxury unaccountable gravy train quite distinct from the rebuilding of post war europe . It perhaps has played a necessary role in being an instrument of post stalin europe reform , however it has conflated a peace time era with some sort of fabian idea of living in some futristic city like Logans run . An EU that just enabled free markets/trade would be about its limit of success , for beyond that it beomes a sort of fake self fullfilling prophecy relieing on forgetfullness of national history and undervaluing it, slightly mocking it.
It has lost its consenual meaninings/desires of soveriegn goverments who had seen destruction and loss , it is perpetually modern and fabian , a ringing rhyme without error.
It is both universal translator and omnipresent benfactor useually its own cause with others money .
It is corrupt , indeed it has to corrupt/deny to grow .

Perhaps it can reform , but it is failing , the euro has been badly run and capital projects all too expensive and wastefull , its ambitions of free movement of people economically rather than tourist totally misguided.

We could manage on our own , there would no doubt be period of punative reaction , but it is entering the realm of fantasy ecnomics anyhow until we can get back to soveriegn goverments spending there own money , to effect there own particular economies , run on accountable democratic guidelines , it will caese to be an instrument for good.

11 November 2010 at 17:33  
Anonymous jeremy hyatt said...

Well I'm shocked and horrified and ready to faint.



11 November 2010 at 17:36  
Anonymous Anguised Soul said...

To think of the lives lost in WWII to win our freedom from one dictator...and yet it's been given away again with one stroke of a politician's pen.

I could weep Your Grace.

11 November 2010 at 17:49  
Anonymous Pat said...

The EU will over-reach- and then be killed. By the British? possibly- but I would not take it for granted that the inhabitants of other European countries support it- they mostly tolerate it as we do.
As for being gobbled up by China- a very long way away and nowhere near as powerful as their government figures show, Russia, with an economy the size of Italy's, a falling population and the need to suppress internal dissent don't make me laugh. And if the US wanted to gobble up Britain itself (as against its empire) they could have done that any time since 1942- I think a 58 year record of mostly benign activity should give us some assurance as to their bona fides.

11 November 2010 at 18:29  
Blogger Autonomous Mind said...

It is this kind of defeatist nonsense from Tony B that explains why so many in this country lack confidence.

Try this reality for size... Either we are part of the EU and abandon democracy, accountability and self determination; or we stand independent and self determining, able to elect and remove our representatives, free to create or strike down our own laws, trade with whosoever we wish and establish partnerships to cooperate on matters of interest to us.

The only thing being gobbled up is our ability to run our own affairs and preserve our liberty. The EU needs us, we do not need it. The EU is sleepwalking us towards an avoidable disaster.

11 November 2010 at 18:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace
All is not lost in Europe as the Ancient Christian States of east central Europe realise that the've joined an EUSSR the nationalism that enabled countries like Poland to survive as a culture and Nation despite being partitioned between powerful neighbours for 200 years will be a valuable allie. For these nation states the wartime occupation occupation lasted from 1939 until 1989.They are Britains natural allies having experienced the Germans as enemies and the French ( Napoleon) as allies they know them both.

11 November 2010 at 18:53  
Anonymous Antony said...

Thank heaven for the EU. It cannot dismantle England soon enough. Presumably you feel the same way, for you are obviously English, and it appears to be the notoriously gutless modern English who wish a swift end to their existence.

'Britain as a nation state'? '1000 years of history'? I’m not sure what it is you claim to know about these islands but where history’s concerned my guess would be not very much at all on this evidence.
Britain is NOT a nation state. It never has been in any meaningful sense of the word. If those those anxious to peddle the ahistorical unionist swill you deal in choose to disagree they should understand that the facts are agin ‘em.

Of course a pound to a penny you change your tune where the neighbours are concerned. I bet you suck up to scotchmen for all your worth - flattering them, endorsing scottish claims to nationhood, even to independence, responding to their interminable effrontery (not to mention insults) with de rigueur smiles and limp-wristed recollections of an 'Auntie Doris who's scotch on my Uncle Brian's side'.

DH Lawrence described the English as having egg-white in their veins. He was right. Spineless the lot of them. Let us usher in the age of Auberon Waugh’s ‘Belgian ticket-collector’ and save everyone further embarrassment.

11 November 2010 at 22:26  
Anonymous PaganPride said...

Britain can dissolve into the abyss for all I care - and Britain as a political entitly only goes back to 1707 - so to hell with it I say.

Now England! - well that's a different matter; England's history does go back somewhat earlier, about the same if not longer than that of the so called semi-independant country Scotland - you know, the one that is a proud nation of history etc etc etc (people who make that statement with a straight face have obviously never read a real account of their true history!)

So stuff Britain - give me back my nation, and let the EU go to hell in a hand basket - it's inevitable it's going to implode and I don't want any part of it.

wv - surexplo - honest!!

12 November 2010 at 01:01  
Anonymous Atlas Shrugged said...

Please note.

The last world war, was exactly that, A WORLD WAR, it was not a war wholly between individual European nations but one between continental sized alliances, and other competing Imperial interests.

If the creation of a European Superstate was to prevent wars between European nations, then it will succeed in its mission.

What the EU is not designed to do is lessen the chances of another WORLD WAR, anything but. Otherwise why would the EU still require a European Army of any more then of a completely defensive nature?

To fight who exactly?

It would seem that there are clearly only 2 credible candidates, one of which is the USA, the other China.

Of course The EU will always require an army of some sorts to carry on its as yet cold war towards its own people, but it would seem that no one has any plans on attacking China or The USA any time soon.

However there is a 3rd option, for a future credible enemy, one which will seem to originate from outer-space.

Whatever the truth turns out to be, please think on this. How many more despots do we need to tell us that the next war will end all wars, before we starting thinking for ourselves?

Peace is defined as the gap between wars. If it is not then is most surely should be. Hitler promised peace before being elected to office, and we all know what happened shortly afterwards. Come to think about it, SO DID F.D.R.

Trust politicians at your own risk, I prefer to buy myself a metaphorical tin-hat. It will not in any way help of course, but there again very little on this particular part of the universe will.

My advice would be carry on being very nice to absolutely everyone. Make your own personal peace, with yourself, your family, friends and maker. For this is the only type of peace on which you can rely, as well as the only type of peace that ultimately matters anyway.

12 November 2010 at 01:21  
Anonymous Bernicia said...

DH Lawrence was a traitor who had a dirty mind and hated his own country. Most of that lot were: horrible people who wrote vicious, inciteful, books that still feed the American-Irish/American-German hatred of those who come from what is presently called England.

As for the poster above: who knows what his heritage is, obviously he doesn't. Otherwise he'd understand that the Kermits killed most of the Anglo-Saxons somewhere between 1066 and 1069.

Ever since then some north-of-the-border-marchers have been either abetting them, or abetting the Irish (who subsumed the Picts in the area), or they've just abetted silly games of divide and conquer. All of which would explain why the euros are quietly depriving Scots, too, of their own culture. And it's Scots who've told me that.

It's a pity Celts can't take sides with their own kind, instead of supporting aliens. But I guess old habits die hard.

12 November 2010 at 01:22  
Blogger Alan Douglas said...

You Grace, why are you illustrating this speech by our great President with a picture of Mr Punch ?

Alan Douglas

12 November 2010 at 07:23  
Anonymous graham Wood said...

Rumpy claims:

"the age of nation states is over"

Try telling that to the All Blacks, or to any national Olympic competitor!
BTW a couple of small test question for Mr Rumpy:
How many volunteers would he be able to muster to play for the European Union FA?
How would the EU fare as the seventh in the 'Six Nations Rugby event?
Discussion over.

12 November 2010 at 10:56  
Anonymous Stewart Cowan said...

Trials for traitors - the time is right.

12 November 2010 at 11:03  
Blogger St. Nikao said...

This morning, I read:

"...your iniquities have separated
you from your God;
your sins have hidden his face from you,
so that he will not hear.
3 For your hands are stained with blood,
your fingers with guilt.
Your lips have spoken falsely,
and your tongue mutters wicked things.
4 No one calls for justice;
no one pleads a case with integrity.
They rely on empty arguments, they utter lies;
they conceive trouble and give birth to evil.
5 They hatch the eggs of vipers
and spin a spider’s web.
Whoever eats their eggs will die,
and when one is broken, an adder is hatched.
6 Their cobwebs are useless for clothing;
they cannot cover themselves with what they make.
Their deeds are evil deeds,
and acts of violence are in their hands.
7 Their feet rush into sin;
they are swift to shed innocent blood.
They pursue evil schemes;
acts of violence mark their ways.
8 The way of peace they do not know;
there is no justice in their paths.
They have turned them into crooked roads;
no one who walks along them will know peace.
9 So justice is far from us,
and righteousness does not reach us.
We look for light, but all is darkness;
for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows.
10 Like the blind we grope along the wall,
feeling our way like people without eyes.
At midday we stumble as if it were twilight;
among the strong, we are like the dead.
11 We all growl like bears;
we moan mournfully like doves.
We look for justice, but find none;
for deliverance, but it is far away.
12 For our offenses are many in your sight,
and our sins testify against us.
Our offenses are ever with us,
and we acknowledge our iniquities:
13 rebellion and treachery against the LORD,
turning our backs on our God,
inciting revolt and oppression,
uttering lies our hearts have conceived.
14 So justice is driven back,
and righteousness stands at a distance;
truth has stumbled in the streets,
honesty cannot enter.
15 Truth is nowhere to be found,
and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey."
Isaiah 59:1-15

"The nation that will not serve God shall be utterly ruined." Isaiah 60:12

God is speaking to our time in Isaiah - read it and weep!!! We must return to God and live according to His word.
We now have laws that enable us to break all of God's Commandments and some that force us to do so.
We must repent with our whole heart, soul, mind and strength, and return to Jerusalem, to true worship, fear, awe of the Living God before Assyria and Babylon (always His intruments to punish His errant children) utterly overtake us. God's Word, not our feelings, passions and desires, must be our law. We must rediscover the Book and the Word of God and let it tear our hardened that we may repent, return and be reconciled to the Lord of Love, Truth and Life. We must love, obey, submit and commit to live it, marry/unite ourselves to it and to the Lord our God. This is the only way to rest, peace, freedom and joy. (II Kings 22, II Chronicles 34, Psalm 19, Psalm 119, John 14:15-21)

12 November 2010 at 11:10  
Blogger Preacher said...

St Nikao.

12 November 2010 at 17:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

st Nikao
Amen too. But the Lord impressed such a passage on me jsut before the LA riots years ago. And the level of povery and the way the needy are despised and written off by many including in the churhes has got worse. Our Lord cares deeply about the poor. And the practical effect of the changes in the UK to welfre will unleash a tide of suffering and much of it unfairly.
We need to be concerned about all people, but the Lord has a special concern about the afflicted. Charities including church charities in the US include helpers who despise the poor and inflict suffering on them. Many in and outside the churches nee repent of their attitude towards the poor and disabled which is often ignorant and arrogant. When Paul was sent out to preach to the gentiles he was admonished in Acts to remember the poor. As indiviuals who profess to know our Lord we all need to be there for the afflicted in practical ways. Charities often have tick-box burocracies which mean that people slip throught cracks. I hope that the UK does not take the worst side of the US charities. Poor people do not have the enrergy or money ging from food pantry to food pantry for their daily bread. It is a myth, for example, that food pantries supply enough for families to live on and sadly many who help in them are more concerned about feeling that they help than in analysing in truth whether or not they do. We need in the churches to be honest. Do we want to help the needy or just feel that we are - the feel good factor. Some are in chariites to build resumes and some mistreat them, thinking the needy dont deserve to be treated with respect, integrity, fairness, kindness. That is what goes on. That won't pass the spin test on the Day of Judgement. In between, real people for shom Christ died suffer needlessly and God cares. The Bible says there will always be poor people. That is not an excuse to overlook the poor, mistreat them or increase their indiviual suffering or the numbers of poor people. Those of us in the church who profess Jesus name can choose to spend some time money energy where we have it to assist the lonely, the poor, the afflicted (whether rich or poor) or not. On the Day of Judgement it will matter to God as it does now.Moving people out of better off neighbourhoods will increase the number of people ignorant of the poor and suffering. Is that one reason why the change in Hosuing Benefits is being done (I am not saying IDS is doing that for that reason - those who secretly despise the poor often come up with policies which others not familiar with the poor may not realise theeffects of)? Hiding the poor away even more does not work - God still sees them and we will all be held accountable one day.

13 November 2010 at 01:59  
Anonymous Byrnsweord said...

Your Grace, I firstly applaud your quoting of Enoch Powell- never in our history has a visionary been so derided. Secondly, I have blogged today on Magna Carta, an area of sovereignty which shares some similarities with this blog:

13 November 2010 at 14:07  
Anonymous len said...

Man is building a new version( or is it a continuation of the old?)Babylon in Europe.
This is being engineered mostly by deception because because it is being carried out by a small group of people without the awareness or consent of the majority of the masses.

13 November 2010 at 18:47  

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