Monday, November 22, 2010

Lt Col Allen West speaks out on the Islamist ‘perversion of Islam’



When you're asked an awkward question, you can either distract and deflect as the politician does; you can ruminate and reflect as the philosopher does; you can equivocate and obfuscate as the diplomat does.

Or you can answer the question explicitly and directly, as the soldier does.

When asked about the Islamist terrorists’ 'perversion of the religion of Islam', Lt Col Allen West replies:

Let me say this. I don’t care about being popular – whatever. The first thing you’ve got to do is you’ve got to study and understand who you’re up against. And you must realise that this is not a religion that you’re fighting against: you’re fighting against a theo-political belief system and construct; you’re fighting against something that has been doing this thing since AD 622 – since the seventh century, 1388 years. You want to dig up Charles Martel and ask him why he was fighting the Muslim army at the Battle of Tours in 732; you want to ask the Venetian fleet at Lepanto why they were fighting a Muslim fleet in 1571; you want to ask the Christian – I mean the Germanic and Austrian knights why they were fighting at the Gates of Vienna in 1683; you want to ask people why they fought at Constantinople and why today it’s called Istanbul because they lost that fight in 1453. You need to get into the Qur’an: you need to understand their precepts; you need to read the Sira; you need to read the Hadith, and then you can really understand that this is not a perversion: they are doing exactly what this book says.

I want to close by saying this. And I think we have said this all through this morning so far. Until you get principled leadership in the United States of America that is willing to say that, we will continue to chase our tail because we will never clearly define who this enemy is, and then understand their goals and objectives which is on any jihadist website, and then come up with the right and proper goals and objectives to not only secure our Republic, but to secure Western civilisation.
Lt Col Allen West is the third of four generations in his family to serve in the military. He retired from the US Army in 2004 and is the first African-American Republican Congressman from Florida since a former slave served two terms in the 1870s.

It remains to be seen if the soldier’s perspicuity will survive a term in Congress.

59 Comments:

Blogger Rebel Saint said...

This was highlighted ages ago at the excellent TheReligionOfPeace.com back in January. He became their first honorary Infidel from Hell!! (Scroll to the bottom of the linked page).

He got elected by a superb margin ... completely reversing the usual result. A superb result for him, the tea party and honest, plain speaking politics.

Palin for president :o)

22 November 2010 at 11:14  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Rebel Saint,

His Grace has no idea when it was recorded: he was sent it just a few days ago by a communicant.

Regretfully, your post above has been removed because His Grace takes a dim view of hyperlinks to sites which appear to be gratuitously provocative and/or offensive.

22 November 2010 at 11:21  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Rebel Saint,

On reflection, His Grace has decided to leave it up, mindful of his own 'Bottom Line'.

22 November 2010 at 11:23  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

The old soldier is telling the truth.

The American people will not evict truth from Congress.

22 November 2010 at 11:35  
Blogger Edward Spalton said...

Around ten years ago, I was campaigning to "Keep the pound" in the centre of Derby. A group of Muslim missionaries were further up the street, exercising their well-known cultural sensitivity outside the gate to St. Peter's Church.

I went to speak to them because I thought they might have votes and it looked as if we might soon have a referendum. It was not a meeting of minds. Their leader was a well-spoken young Asian with an Oxford accent.

Eventually I said, "If you come to a country you must expect to obey its laws".
"For a Muslim, that is oppression" he replied.

We talked some more and I made the point again. "Surely, if you come to our country..."
"It is not your country, it is Allah's"
he replied.

I went home, read the Koran and some of the authoritative Muslim scriptures (roughly analagous to the Church Fathers) and found that he was absolutely right in his own scriptural terms. There is no wriggle room because the prophet's message is the last word of Allah to Man this side of time. There can be no Muslim New Testament.

The evidence which the judge tried to suppress at the Geert Wilders trial could be summed up as "There are moderate Muslims but there is no such thing as moderate Islam".

I think that is true although there are some pacific sects which mainstream Muslims regard as heretical and whose members they will kill, given the right opportunity.

22 November 2010 at 11:38  
Anonymous Tony B said...

There is no such thing as principled leadership any more, unless the principle be "rob the poor to feed the rich".

22 November 2010 at 11:43  
Blogger Johnny Norfolk said...

Thank God someone is saying it as it is. We all wish it was not so but it is. So we need to accept this and take action. The longer it is left the worse it will be.

22 November 2010 at 11:49  
Blogger Gnostic said...

It's about time someone spoke up and nailed the problem.

22 November 2010 at 12:02  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

Spot on!

22 November 2010 at 12:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace

The difficulty here is that if Lt Col Allen West’s views were expounded by politicians in the West as official doctrine and become orthodox… then?

Armageddon.

This is what I believe many posters have not yet contemplated.

22 November 2010 at 12:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It may well be that they want Armageddon.

22 November 2010 at 12:20  
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22 November 2010 at 12:29  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

@Anonymous 12:18

"if Lt Col Allen West’s views were expounded by politicians in the West". er ... he is a politician in the west!

Are you really saying you don't want politicians telling us the truth in case our enemies don't like it?

22 November 2010 at 12:53  
Blogger D. Singh said...

It is where it leads. Everything you touch is a product of Middle Eastern oil.

22 November 2010 at 13:07  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

Mr Singh I agree with you!!!!!

Saudi Arabia should be regarded as a pariah state. It tacitly (and sometimes overtly) encourages Islamic terror and distributes “educational” resources and “translated” copies of the Koran that contain revolting and contemptible references to Jews, homosexuals, not to mention us “regular” kafirs. Its stated aim is a global caliphate where the barbaric practices of Islamic that includes the absolute suppression of women’ rights can continue unabated.

Ruled by a clan of filthy rich hypocrites this sharia state should be regarded with the same disdain as North Korea or Zimbabwe, instead the western leaders suck up to them for one reason only, oil. Only after we can find viable alternatives to Middle Eastern oil will we be able to regard them and their cronies with the contempt that they deserve. But by then it may be too late as the spineless western leaders may have allowed Islam to get such a hold that to remove it will result in global conflict.

22 November 2010 at 13:56  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Your Grace, Geert Wilders will shortly be tried afresh in the Netherlands for telling the truth about Islam; the last trial was abandoned because the court was found to be biased against him. In Vienna, Elisabeth Sabiditsch-Wolff goes on trial tomorrow for ‘hate speech’ and ‘denigration of religious teachings’, charges brought as the result of seminars she gave that were critical of Islam. In Britain, Nick Griffin was brought to trial for speaking plainly about Islam.

Draw attention to the hate speech of Islam and the authorities react by protecting Islam and punishing you. The testimony that Wafa Sultan (an apostate from Islam) gave in support of Geert Wilders is a reminder of what the authorities are so keen to protect:

❛Islamic values do not match the Western values. Islam attaches no value to human life. Muslims are on earth to kill or be slain in the name of Allah, to the benefit of Allah, to spread Islam, and then you get a free ticket to heaven.

[I]n Syria I never heard of a moderate Islam or a strict Islam. There is only one Islam and that is the Islam I’m talking about. Recently, the Prime Minister of Turkey also said that. He said the ‘moderate Islam’ is an ugly phrase.

The Qur’an is worse than Mein Kampf, because Mein Kampf is a political book, the Qur’an is a mix of politics and religion. In my opinion, it is easier to overcome a political ideology than a political ideology that is packaged as a religious ideology.❜

22 November 2010 at 14:19  
Blogger Derek said...

Give a man a book he believes in, and he'll die for that belief.

Give an entity an inch . . . and in a man's eye he has the mile. The man will kill until he is killed for his belief in that entity.

What does this teach us about religion - that the books are wrong? That the entities are man made?

This leaves us with the only 'faith' we ever need - to be true to ourselves, to honour and respect all others and the ground we stand on and the air we breathe, and to wish or place no harm to any other.

Everything else comes from a book, supposedly written as the word of God or Allah or whoever. But who first wrote it? Who first made the parchment and ink to have written it? What existed before such things had been created by mankind if only word of mouth? How many errors might there have been made in translation?

The complexities of the religious world are set to battle forever, as they are man made entities, created by, and believed by man for man's control over fellow man.

A 'non-believer'? In some things, yes.

22 November 2010 at 14:25  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

Thank you for posting on this, Your Grace. The more who stand up for the truth the better.

Were my eyes deceiving me when I watched the BBC this morning? The BBC reported on Islam and exactly what it preaches in it's 'schools'. I was so shocked I almost choked on my porridge!

The BBC telling the truth? Unbelievable!

What's going on?

22 November 2010 at 14:27  
Anonymous JayBee said...

We are well past the point where war on Islam would result in global conflict. Indeed, without massive conventional armies the West would even now have to resort to the use of nuclear weapons and irradiate its own oil suppliers. This is a fine mess we've been gotten into by appeasers and collaborators.
Armageddon is unthinkable, surrender unacceptable and containment might be unachievable.
The hero's of history fought the “enemy at the gates” but we've already got “gooks in the wire”.

22 November 2010 at 14:37  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Mr Davis

'... result in global conflict.'

That is inevitable.

Armageddon is thinkable.

22 November 2010 at 15:05  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

If the British people continue to apply Christian principles to Islam we are doomed. The know-it-all politically correct do-gooders are not interested in explanations.

Recently I attempted to explain something about Islam to well-educated, intelligent people. They clearly thought me a bigoted Christian, intolerant of other faiths. I await with interest their reaction to this evening's Panorama programme but I guess I shall have another wigging for the Crusades!

I fear Graham is correct. As long as we need oil the truth will not be deliberately exposed.

22 November 2010 at 15:19  
Blogger Span Ows said...

Would that there were many like him. Allen West will go a long way. Look at his speech after getting elected, he says quite clearly, several times, that he knows who the enemy is.

He was shoddily treated by the military because he decided he wanted to save many lives by making one man speak, he did this by dunking his head in water. That act was a correct one when the rights and wrongs were balanced but his own military made a pariah of him to sate the liberal outrage. You don't get to be parachute colonel by playing footsie with the enemy when your men's lives are at stake. He was Front Page Magazine's 2003 Man of the Year mainly for what he did.

22 November 2010 at 15:47  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

As usual tonight's expose on Panorama is playing catch-up as C4 Dispatches covered the same ground some 9 months ago

22 November 2010 at 15:58  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Check this lot out - look at the numbers in their mob - then look for the moderate Muslims' counter demo. Tiny minority My A**E.

http://newstime.co.nz/this-video-hidden-from-british-public.html

22 November 2010 at 16:37  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Ancient Britain @ 15.19 ... yep, I have that problem too. You can see it in their eyes as one speaks: the 'I'm talking to a nutter'' glaze, that simultaneously shuts down their brain too. (offered on a plate; feel free to say it!)

However, I discern that many more are joining our ranks; one day even the most die-hard of the self-deluded will open their eyes, ears and brain to reality.

In the meantime, keep up the good work!

22 November 2010 at 17:48  
Anonymous not a machine said...

It takes some considerable understanding to graps that Islam is not a religion as we understand religion/secularism in our more reason based/enlightend culture.
You simply do not find secularism in Islamic countries , indeed you find repression of anything other than Islam. The secularists who see it as weak as christianity are wrong , for it doesnt really tolerate secualrism , and the liberals would soon find there ideas getting stoned to death .

The recent awareness of some important differences is asking for some Islamic reform , the soufis of course interpret islam in more peaceful ways , but even then , you cannot deny it is different to judao/christian culture or secular culture and seems unable to reform to accepting anything in part because Mohammed is a prophet that came after the previous prophet "jesus" . It has often puzzled me why jesus does not tell Islam somthing , for what he said is very different (the new teastament was put together long before Mohammed was born) compared to some of the things Mohammed had concluded about jesus , indeed for Islam to diminish jesus and seek to put the judao/christian belief to inferior , is heresy if jesus is a prophet unto god as islam has come to believe with militancy.
Col West sounds like a man who takes conflict seriously or the reasons for it , to roll off the long history of conflict , perhaps poses Islam a question that it has differnces that it says are godly and yet is uanble to subject itself to western reason and enlightenment or even the theology that christian countires hold so dear as the truth.
Perhaps christian cultures that become secular/liberal have lost there need for god and so do not see that Islam may not conclude the same end .
The secularists and socilialists see it as merely two dogs fighting over one bone , they were both wrong about as god doesnt exist. Again I have always been puzzled why Islam and labour have had such political links , as it is a secular state party with promenant athiests .

22 November 2010 at 17:48  
Blogger Revd John P Richardson said...

You could also go back to Samuel Huntington's The Clash of Civilizations, which I thought pretty much nailed it, especially with its reference to Islam's "bloody borders".

22 November 2010 at 18:32  
Blogger Span Ows said...

@not a machine 17:48

Interesting in such a long post that you have written EVERY SINGLE mention of Jesus, Christian, Christianity, Judeo etc is without a capital letter.

Now one could presume that you wrote that way, however, I note that EVERY time you wrote Mohammed you had a capital letter and most of the times (bar one I think) that you wrote Islam it also had a capital letter.

odd that.

22 November 2010 at 19:10  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ not a machine (17:48)—Like you, I also wonder about the attraction of Islam for today’s Labour Party. It may be that they share a common enemy, Christianity, or perhaps the Labour Party, believing in a powerful, centralized state that orders our lives, sees common cause with a religion that demands submission.

22 November 2010 at 19:27  
Anonymous len said...

Lt Col Allen West is absolutely spot on!.
Times the illusions about Islam were swept away and the truth faced.

22 November 2010 at 19:52  
Anonymous Byrnsweord said...

A hugely insightful and refreshingly honest appraisal of the situation we find ourselves faced with.

22 November 2010 at 20:31  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

I perceive that the BBC only report the truth about Islam when it suits their purposes. Thing is, just what is their purpose?

22 November 2010 at 21:52  
Anonymous not a machine said...

My appolgies span ows , my thoughts are much more senseable than the word construction interface (fingers to key board) that I work with . I will try and improve

22 November 2010 at 23:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am sure Lt. Col.'s statement will help us usher in a much more harmonious era of understanding and peace for all.

23 November 2010 at 01:07  
Anonymous Atlas Shrugged said...

I have little doubt that Col West believes what he says is the truth. To a large extent he is historically correct, although I believe it is worth making the following points.

When the Islamic world has come up against the western world,at any time over the last 400 years, it is most surely the Islamic world that has lost big time. There is no reason whatsoever to believe that this will not also be the case this time, or any other time in the future, if the will be there.

It would seem self-apparent that Islam taking over any part of the western world by any means whatsoever is impossible without INSIDE ASSISTANCE from the highest of high places.

This current so called fight against Islam, is like using a small bucket to frantically trying to empty a bath while deliberately leaving both taps running.

Why would our ruling elites wish to be doing both at the same time?

What do the leaders of The Islamic world have to gain from this conflict, other then almost the exact same things as the REAL leaders of the western world?

For you can be absolutely assured that if the proverbial they wanted to turn the taps off, and/or start using one hell of a gigantic bucket, they would already be doing so.

One could be forgiven for thinking that our ruling class, as well as The Islamic ruling class, have something to gain from a seemingly never ending battle, while deliberately making their own down trodden populations as insecure as humanly possible.

Like for example, using this conflict as a convenient excuse to impose ever more restrictions on their respective populations civil and financial liberties, while finding a more profitable use for their own ARMS INDUSTRIES, and secret police services.

So convenient in fact, that one could also be forgiven for believing that it is ALL one great big conspiracy involving those at the very top of both the Islamic and western world.

Please be reminded.

The real rulers of this planet and relative lowlife scum such as elected prime ministers, or presidents still have far more in common with each other then they do with the unwitting serfs they rule over.

They are not only almost always directly RELATED to each other, they need each other, more then a pimp needs its whores.

23 November 2010 at 01:29  
Anonymous TheObserver said...

Derek,
"How many errors might there have been made in translation?"


Were you talking about the bible?

23 November 2010 at 04:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Which is which, what is what and who is who? No wonder atheism swept over all of the world.

23 November 2010 at 04:07  
Blogger Derek said...

Observer,
Anything that has been written down from the verbal stories as handed down. If they are not stories as handed down, then that asks us to believe an unseen diety had written them and handed them over, or left them by a rock on a mountain or some place.
By translation, certainly the Bible has been translated into many languages. But at what point in time did it begin to be translated, from what language to what others. For the Koran, I have little knowledge. Has it ever been translated from the original? Certainly we can view it online in English, but before the present interest and the present time - let's say 20th C - was it only in one language? And again, there is the question of who wrote it and when? And maybe why, as it appears to lack any description of Love, kindness and compassion. (So far from what I have understood, which may be little).

23 November 2010 at 07:11  
Blogger Wallenstein said...

you want to ask the Christian – I mean the Germanic and Austrian knights why they were fighting at the Gates of Vienna in 1683

Hmm.. why the evasion? So much for being a "straight-talking soldier"! The weasel words are presumably because he's trying to frame Islamic conquest as a religio-political programme (with the emphasis on religion), but is reluctant to acknowledge that the same equally applies to the Christian faith since its inception.

Why not just be honest and say that the arguments for Islam being a theo-political belief system apply equally to Christianity (and applies especially today to the USA)? I see nothing particularly objectionable about that.

The Siege of Vienna, which West mentions, was not about religion, it was about mundane political control over trade routes (just as our current "Christian" wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are).

23 November 2010 at 11:30  
Blogger Preacher said...

Observer @ 07.11
As the old saying goes 'The proof of the pudding is in the eating'.
The Bible is more of a library than a single volume. Written over thousands of years by a cross section of different people, from Kings to commoners it speaks of the historical struggles of the good the bad & the downright evil & God's view of it all.
It gives the origin of the universe & the why & how of its creation, also how the disobedience & greed of humanity led to the present state the world is in.

It is also a book of prophesy that history has proven correct again & again, including prophecy about the coming of a unique person who would reveal Gods will & prove His authority by many signs & wonders, even raising the dead back to life & being raised Himself after being publicly rejected & executed.

The Jewish race was entrusted with recording these revelations & they were very strict & careful to be sure of their accuracy

the unique one promised in the early books arrived in the fullness of time & fulfilled all that was promised of Him. He came to the Jews as promised & all the first 'Christians' were actually Jewish.

I know that it's been a bit long but even this is a brief summary of the Bible.
There is no comparison with any other so called religous work, it is as stated the revealed Word of God. It stands alone Towering above all others. It reveals Gods Love, Mercy & Justice & how humanity should live & treat one another.
Because of its uniqueness it has been attacked, villified & suppressed by evil men, but rises from the ashes of its detractors like a phoenix.

It is not a so called 'revelation' to one man. Any man can claim to be anything , the King of England or Emperor of the World. but to complete the circle - 'The proof of the pudding is in the eating'.
Test all things, prove all things.

23 November 2010 at 11:45  
Blogger Preacher said...

Apologies to Observer, the above was intended for Derek @ 07.11.

23 November 2010 at 11:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just a thought - would not Islam have been the ideal state religion for nazi Germany?

23 November 2010 at 12:03  
Blogger srizals said...

Nope, the black crescent wouldn't match Hitler's short moustache.

Dear Derek, browse the internet and read the Koran yourself before you make any assumptions, especially in the WWW. Everyone is watching.

23 November 2010 at 13:01  
Anonymous TheObserver said...

Blogger Rebel Saint said...

This was highlighted ages ago at the excellent TheReligionOfPeace.com back in January. He became their first honorary Infidel from Hell!! (Scroll to the bottom of the linked page).

Deja vu. The Zionist Jews have their SHIT list, or Self Hating Jews, Now the Christian Zionist too? Nice.

http://www.masada2000.org/shit-list.html

23 November 2010 at 14:44  
Blogger Derek said...

Thank you Srizals and Observer (I did read your comment as appertaining to mine).

I make no assumptions, and did write in answer to you both at length. However, the 'system' beat me and it was lost. Too busy to re-write.

23 November 2010 at 19:37  
Blogger srizals said...

Derek, Jesus was saved from the humiliating torture from the Romans and Jews and 12 of his disciples disperse and being hunted down and persecuted. Hundred years later, things got worse. Christians been killing and fighting each other over which Christianity is the most correct, and its not just the Huguenots, there are more ancient Christians that had extinct because of other Christians.

The Koran has been translated in many languages, yes, so does the bible, the big different, the original of the later, in its original language, is nowhere to be found. One more fact, they are written in dead languages. Fragments of it are being discovered, but are not the same of the current bible.

Before, Christians kept to themselves, not all Christians can have and keep and read the bible. The religion was exclusive and secretive. The layman didn't know the bible, only the clerics. And none of the bible were endorsed by a lineage of Jesus' companions. They were on the run. Saint Paul didn't even met Jesus, and he wasn't a prophet, instead, he was the persecutor of Christians.

The contradictions were so obvious, one being the foundation of Christianity, whether Jesus is the son of god or the son of man.

You can read on the links I've provided, they are not Muslim's resources.
behind
Radical thoughts
Timeline
The Problem with Paul

With the council of Nicaea, under Emperor Constantine, which was a pagan, a decree of death and destruction to all Christians and bible was issued, except the four considered canonical to Christians.

Bear in mind the Protestants' version. Don't give up Derek. The Internet is here. Everything is at our fingertips. Evaluate with a clear mind and honesty. You'll see the light.

24 November 2010 at 00:06  
Blogger srizals said...

Derek, put it simply this way, the Koran was written by the Prophet companions and endorsed by every single one of them, including his wife, Aishah r.a. that would outlived many of his companions. They safeguarded Islam and the Koran when some of the Arabs tried to change the basis of Islam or misinterpreted them.

The Bible in the other hand was not endorsed by Jesus' companions, it was introduced by a Christians' persecutor cum saviour and Constantine the pagan endorsed it by death to the Christians that opposed it. Read about Constantine and the Council of Nicaea. They are all over the Internet. Some of the reliable sources in the internet, hopes this got through,
Issue
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/maccoby2.htm
INot a Nobody
http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/

Well, John took it too far and rejected some truth in Christianity. Read up and good luck.

24 November 2010 at 08:55  
Anonymous greg tingey said...

Just like christianity, in other words.
Kill, oppress, toture, blackmail anyone whos religious opinions differ from yours, whether heretic or unbeliever.
There's plenty in the "bible" about killing and (etc) opponents of "true religion".
Where do you think the religion of communism got the idea from, after all?

24 November 2010 at 09:18  
Blogger srizals said...

Who was Jesus Christ?

Mark: He was the son of man.

Matthew and Luke: He was the Son of God.

John: He was God himself.

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/rmsbrg08.htm#EBIONITES

Islam: He was one of the holy prophet of God as was Muhammad.

More Christians were killed by the so called Christians after the Council. Open up your eyes.

More Christians were killed (by other Christians!) in the first century after the Council of Nicea than had been killed by pagans in the century before Nicea. Constantine, only one year after convening the Council of Nicea, had his own son (Crispus) put to death. Later he suffocated Fausta (his wife) in an overheated bath. Then he had his sister’s son flogged to death and her husband strangled. (1) It was also during the reign of Constantine that the cross became a sacred symbol in Christianity, just as it had been in pagan religions.(2) Throughout his reign, Constantine treated the bishops as political aides. He agreed to enforce whatever opinion the majority of the bishops formulated (Chaimberlin RA. Anti-Judiasm and the Council of Nicea. From Petah Tikvah Magazine Vol. 14, No. 3, http://www.yashanet.com/library/antisem.htm 4/28/04).

http://www.cogwriter.com/news/church-history/constantine-is-why-christians-war/

24 November 2010 at 09:26  
Anonymous TheObserver said...

Where's Len when you need him? What should we assume now? Shouldn't their 'fruits' revealed their true identities?

http://www.rhodesforum.org/round-table--1-middle-east/35-translating-the-bible-into-hebrew-or-how-we-can-upset-the-elders-of-zion-conspiracy

24 November 2010 at 09:37  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Constantine was not a Christian.
Like many before & since he used the religon to promote his own adenda. He was a Sun worshiper who came to power by a military coup & sought to protect himself from being overthrown & murdered by uniting the different religions under a flag of false unity. This meant that the Greek philosiphies of Socrates, Plato & Aristotle were introduced into the mainline Church, Rather like the 'official' Church in present day Communist China.

The true 'Religion of peace' is only to be found under the rule of the one who holds the title of "Prince of Peace", not by any usurper regardless of origin who chooses to name himself as Pope, Ceasar, Prophet, or Emperor.
History is clear on the deeds of sinful men & one day EVERY knee will bow & EVERY tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

24 November 2010 at 11:16  
Blogger srizals said...

Preacher, I agree with you, Constantine was not a Christian. Now what about Paul?

24 November 2010 at 11:37  
Blogger srizals said...

Oswin is nowhere to be seen. I wonder.

24 November 2010 at 11:41  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Srizals.
Fine now we have got religion out of the way please consider the words & teaching of the Prince of peace Jesus Christ, before making any further comments, as I make a point of avoiding disputes. They do not have any positive results, & having studied many claims of different faiths & sifted the so called evidence I stand on the testimony of Jesus Christ as the one true Messiah, promised by God, prophesied in the Old Testament, revealed in the New.

He is the One saviour, by His own volition He came to be a sacrifice for our sin - yours & mine, he was crucified entombed & three days later rose back to life.

He appeared to His disciples & to several hundred other followers. They were convinced of the truth enough to sacrifice their lives rather than deny Him & His teaching.

He ascended into Heaven, witnessed by His followers & will come again to judge all who have ever lived on earth.

Those that have accepted Him as their redeemer will be saved. those that have rejected Him will be responsible for their own fate.
All mankind have a choice to make, This is what I know & all the chat & histrionics will not change a thing. That is why I will speak with true seekers but will not waste time with those that just want to debate.
Apologies if I sound curt but the eternal destiny of yourself & others is not a matter to be taken lightly.

Preacher.

24 November 2010 at 13:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Saudis are at the top of the Islamic heap. All non saudi muslims are inferior slaves. they hold mecca and Medina and through their unimaginable wealth, brought to them by the oil junkies of the west, they enslave the worlds muslims through wahabism which they spread accross the globe and in every nook and cranny of the western world.They purchase western politicains and journalists and univesity intellectuals. They totally reject any less supremacist forms of Islam and only when this gorgan's head is severed will there be some form of temporary peace within Islam and with the west.
the world domination they crave is one in which Saudis rule the world thorugh their own inferior islamic footsoldiers and the rest of us are recuced to sub human working slaves.
When the Islamic world turns on them there will be some respite but it is doubtfull that the west would let that happen.

24 November 2010 at 14:52  
Anonymous Oswin said...

srizals @ 11.41 .... I do have duties other than swatting flies.

25 November 2010 at 02:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Srizals.
My reply to you yesterday seems to have vanished. Basically forget about Paul or the man across the road. Or you will spend your life orbiting but never arriving the person you should be investigating is Jesus Christ, His words & teaching. Set aside your preconcieved ideas & search for the truth.
Unless of course you are content to remain an urban spaceman, which is your perogative, but travelling in circles leads nowhere & soon becomes boring.

Preacher.

25 November 2010 at 12:43  
Anonymous melodius said...

Three points:

1. It's disingenuous to pretend not to notice that jihadis attack western targets mainly because the West shores up pretty much every dictatorship in the Middle East. We have no trouble recognizing that Ben Laden's references to the European Middle Ages (the crusades) are completely irrelevant to understand US policy in the Middle East. References to Poitiers and Vienna are about as useful to understand jihadis, i.e. they serve the same purpose.

2. Whether or not we like islam, there is simply no doubt about the fact that jihadis do not represent the whole of islam, just like US heretics do not represent the whole of christianity (phew !) The trouble of course is that "christian" heretics have the same approach to scripture as the jihadis do: they think they are endowed with the gift of understanding it without the help of tradition, i.e. without taking into account the wisdom of other people who put some thought into the subject. That's the reason why every US simpleton thinks he only has to read the Koran, and hey presto ! he knows everything there is to know about Islam and can bludgeon people who do know better with any quote taken out of context. We used to burn this type of bore before, sadly we now have to mind CO2 emissions.

3. Only idiots think that "the truth" has to be said. If the truth really was that islam is some kind of evil ideology bent on provoking Armageddon, the smart thing to do certainly wouldn't be to explicitly put that concept at the heart of your foreign policy, unless of course you want to provoke Armageddon. But wait a minute, isn't that exactly what US heretics want ? So maybe the crusades are relevant to understand current US foreign policy ???

27 November 2010 at 06:37  
Blogger srizals said...

Preacher,

The planets, the solar system, the galaxies, they all did and do that too, since ages. Well almost in a perfect circle. The Muslims do that too, yearly in Mecca.

You're a preacher. You should know that we have to preach those who would not listen to us. It's our job. The lineage of Prophets and Messengers of God has ended. Mankind has been given enough guidance. Now it is up to us. We have no control of others. However, our mind and body are ours at our disposal.

28 November 2010 at 00:10  

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