Friday, December 31, 2010

2011 will be a year of constitutional reform



Just as the Conservative Party is having to deal with the economic mess bequeathed (again) by Labour, so too will they begin to grapple with the constitutional dog’s breakfast they inherited.

There will be a referendum on changing the voting system from FPTP to AV. No party proposed it in their manifestos, and almost no-one wants it: it is no more proportionate than FPTP and solves none of the irregularities thrown up by that system. It does not address the disconnect between the electorate and the elected, and neither does it address the crisis in our democracy.

The whole exercise will be a complete waste of money as everyone will be distracted by the Royal Wedding, which is a constitutional development of sorts, providing, as it does, the stable foundation for further royal progeny to inherit the Throne and lead the Church.

The House of Lords cannot be left as it is: having abolished the vast majority of hereditary peers, neither Tony Blair nor Gordon Brown were able to persuade Parliament towards a logical end-game. To leave it as it is would be bizarre, not to say a constitutional outrage: there is simply no rationale for retaining an ‘hereditary element’ when previous reforms were predicated upon the abolition of that principle on democratic grounds.

2011 sees the centenary of the 1911 Parliament Act by which the Liberal Government ended the power of the House of Lords to block the annual budget. The Liberal dimension is not lost on some, so it is conjectured that, having failed to convert the country to AV, and in order to sustain the Coalition, Nick Clegg will be given carte blanche to lead reform of the Upper Chamber.

Whether it is wholly elected (by PR) or some elected/appointed hybrid is sustained will determine the extent of Nick Clegg’s success, and even his continuing position as Liberal Democrat leader, for the hybrid would please neither his backbenchers nor his (rapidly-diminishing) supporters.

The thorny question of bishops in the House of Lords will need to be addressed, and Jim Hacker explains why. Again, Labour began a reform by insisting that the Prime Minister should no longer use the royal prerogative ‘to exercise choice in recommending appointments of senior ecclesiastical posts, including diocesan bishops, to the Queen’. This was one of the most significant (though underreported) changes to the relationship between Church and State for generations. Now the Church’s Crown Nominations Commission proposes just one name to the Prime Minister, who then conveys that recommendation to the Queen.

That, in itself, was a step towards disestablishment, which (atheist) Nick Clegg will be keen to build upon: he finds it unacceptable that the Church of England alone should be privileged to have 26 representatives in the Upper House. He wants all faiths represented (doubtless disproportionately), and unless there is some further fudge, this will lead to an almighty constitutional row involving even the Supreme Governor, for the privilege of the Bishops to sit in the Legislature is inherently part of the Establishment settlement, which she swore at her Coronation to preserve and sustain.

Will A Conservative-led coalition really move to disestablish the Church of England?

For if the Bishops be ejected from the Lords, why should the Head of State continue to be Supreme Governor of the Church of England?

There will be other constitutional tinkering, but the House of Lords and Church of England will be quite enough for the Coalition to chew on over the next year.

His Grace will now turn to his (metaphorical) crystal ball and make a few predictions for 2011:

The Coalition will survive, despite a LibDem meltdown in May.

There will be more wars and rumours of war, especially in North/South Korea.

Israel will continue to be portrayed as a pariah state.

There will be terrorist atrocities.

Taxes will rise, people will die.

Jesus will not return, so the Coalition can't dump the Government upon His shoulder.

This last prediction His Grace makes with a high degree of certainty, for there is no sign (yet) of the Tribulation or Rapture, even though the Antichrist is undoubtedly skulking around. There is a slight disclaimer on this prediction, for His Grace is not infallible. But it seems to him that 2011 is a fairly innocuous number which does not draw people to gather under the sky dressed in their Sunday best carrying their Bibles. The number 11 does not equal ‘atonement’ (that is 5), and 20 does not equal ‘completeness’ (that is 10). 2011 does not mean heaven (that is 17), and since Christ was executed on 1st April 33, the interval from that date to 2011 is exactly 1,978 years. If you multiply 1,978 by 365.2422 days (the average number of days in each solar year), you get 722,449 days. Add then an arbitrary 51 days we get the total days since Jesus' execution to 722,500. Now this means the Second Coming will not occur any time during 2011. Further, (5x10x17) x (5x10x17) = 722,500, which is (Atonement x Completeness x Heaven) squared. Unfortunately, the date of Jesus' execution by the Roman occupation army is not precisely known, though it was almost certainly between 29 to 33. If you take the cube root of the year of his death (cubed because he was a Trinity), and multiply it by the years his successor (Elizabeth II) has occupied the Throne of David (Stone of Destiny), you don’t get 2011.

His Grace wishes all of his readers and communicants a happy and blessed New Year.

54 Comments:

Blogger cymraeg said...

A masterly misrepresentation of virtually every mathematical formula known to man. I salute you!

A happy and Blessed New Year to you too Your Grace.

31 December 2010 at 12:42  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd imagine Israel will continue to be portrayed as a pariah state simply because it will continue to behave as one

31 December 2010 at 13:26  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

No, Israel will continue to be portrayed as a pariah state because Jerusalem is where the Lord's throne will be. Satan doesn't like it, see.

31 December 2010 at 13:51  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

'For if the Bishops be ejected from the Lords, why should the Head of State continue to be Supreme Governor of the Church of England?'

Why, indeed.

31 December 2010 at 14:30  
Blogger Paul said...

The AV of 1611 had a far greater impact on our nation than AV of 2011 ever will. If only we would return to trusting the words of God rather than the words of men who refuse to acknowledge him.

31 December 2010 at 14:51  
Anonymous JayBee said...

For if the Bishops be ejected from the Lords, why should the Head of State continue to be Supreme Governor of the Church of England?

The CofE would do well to disestablish so that it can appoint those who God leads it to choose and before it is suffocated by secularism.

The Church's Crown Nominations Commission is choosing the Bishops, the PM and HM just nod them through. Ask yourself this YG: what is to stop the Commission infiltrating Muslim sympathisers into these senior ecclesiastical posts and subverting the Church Of England into the Mosque of England?

And if that seems a little far fetched ask yourself if you should continue to associate with a political class that has trashed democracy, lies habitually, and has handed England over to a supranational foreign power?

The State no longer upholds Christian values, it has turned its back on God. Will you collaborate with deceivers and charlatans? Come out of it I say, separate yourselves and enthrone Jesus Christ as the Supreme Head of your Denomination.

31 December 2010 at 15:27  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

So far, David Cameron has bound us further to the EU dictatorship while describing supporters of democracy as ‘fruit cakes, loonies and racists’ (UKIP) and ‘a ghastly piece of filth’ (Nick Griffin), and he has continued to appease Islam while describing its opponents as ‘terrible people’ (the English Defence League).

How will he betray us in 2011?

31 December 2010 at 15:33  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO5zvVARqhc

I predict a more grass roots led reform, this barbariic cult that wants the World ruling from Israel with David de Rothschild need challenging.

I don't follow religions based on being taxed to high heaven, let the spoilt rich boy get a real job.

31 December 2010 at 15:36  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Paul said

'The AV of 1611 had a far greater impact on our nation than AV of 2011 ever will. If only we would return to trusting the words of God rather than the words of men who refuse to acknowledge him.'

I Utterly Agree.. Lets hope the anniversary of OUR NATIONS MOST BELOVED BIBLE MOVES OUR GOD TO DECLARE HE LIVES, REIGNS AND STILL DEALS, FOR HIS BELOVED'S SAKE, AGAINST THE MACHINATIONS OF MEN AND IS THE MOST HIGH GOD!.

WILL A NATION REPENT IF HE DOES?

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

31 December 2010 at 16:17  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Your Grace, to say I am impressed, is a massive understatement.

I am speechless with admiration.

Dear Mr Bone

No one really knows quite how deep the rabbit hole goes, not even the rabbits.

Evelyn de Rothschild may be top of the tree, but there again he may not be. Who knows for sure? Certainly not myself, and I have been studying these things for a long amount of time.

The best way to understand the power structures of the world is through the study of history from at least classical times. As a general rule, who or what was running the entire show 2-3-4-5 thousand years ago, is still running it today.

The priest-hoods, not kings, queens or popes where running the show then, and to a very large extent, the priest-hoods with much help from their bank managers, and financial advisors, are still running the show today.

Always baring in mind that the priest-hoods where in older times represented all of the, financial or otherwise administrators, military experts, astrologers, theologians, scientists, and other great thinkers of the time.

Nothing, or virtually nothing has really changed, other then the technological methods by which our owners control their respective flocks.

Democracy of course being one of their grandest and most successful illusions up to date.

On a close par with established religion, so called free-markets, which are in reality anything but free, or indeed markets, Communism, Socialism, fractional reserve central banking, trades unions, establishment control of the entire education system from nursery to Oxbridge, all wonderfully helped along with all but total control of all agents of the Mass Media.

It stands to reason that controlling all of these things can not possibly have been achieved by just one family over such a short period of time.

Therefore it is clear that a massive conspiracy between what may at first appear to be opposing forces must have taken place, and is still going strong, however much it may seem to be falling apart.

However we know simply by studying our main stream history books that not only have Zionist forces been conspiring, on and sometimes off, with The RCC for at least 1500 years, we know that Zionism is as much, if not a whole lot more powerful force within the RCC, and the Christian faith as a whole, then it has ever been within The Jewish community.

Having said that, E de R, is said to have converted to The ROMAN religion many years ago. It is perfectly possible that his entire family are now Roman Catholics, and have been so for some considerable time.

As I have said the rabbit hole is deep, very deep. So deep in fact that it is impossible to get to the bottom of it. However there is most surely a hole that most are far to scared to even consider looking into.

After all the realization that there are elements within the American government that would knowing sacrifice 3 thousand of there own citizens simply to make a fast buck is very scary.

However there is absolutely nothing new here. I give as my evidence 1914-1918. Where more young men were needlessly sacrificed in less then 5 seconds then the whole of 9/11.

31 December 2010 at 16:39  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Your Grace

I am sure that many of your readers are more then a little confused concerning your above numerology, and cannot quite understand why this should make any difference to what they may believe are random or uncontrollable events.

So please indulge myself, while I try my best to explain how this stuff actually works, using as much brevity as I can muster. Also trying my hardest not to offend anyone.

As is above, so it must be below.

There are also certain natural laws that must be obeyed if the ultimate outcome is to be 'successful,' for want of a better word. As we surely know nature is science, and science is based on astrology as well as simple as well as highly complicated maths, and therefore words and numbers.

There has long existed very powerful people who's basic job it is to make perfectly sure that Gods natural laws are obeyed both to the letter as well as the number of this natural law.

Therefore if the numbers, as well as the words are right, the event is made to happen, as well as seen to happen, if they are not, the event either does not happen at all, or is virtually ignored if it does.

Some call these 'events' Acts of God, some the inevitable evolution of mankind, some conspiracies, however they could indeed be all, or at least some of these things at the same time.

One thing is certain IMO. They are most surely conspiracies far more then most people have the wits to imagine. I hope I have gone some way in explaining why this is so.

31 December 2010 at 17:30  
Blogger Simon Harley said...

Your Grace. A key reason for the Liberals to pass the Parliament Act was to finally pass a Home Rule Bill for Ireland, thus buying the support of the Irish Nationalists in the Commons upon whom the Liberals relied on to remain in power after 1910.

31 December 2010 at 17:32  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Atlas shrugged said 31 December 2010 16:39

Words, Words, Words..False suppositions and illogical arguments with unfounded statements.
'Evelyn de Rothschild may be top of the tree, but there again he may not be. Who knows for sure? Certainly not myself, and I have been studying these things for a long amount of time.' Is there Illuminati..possibly but what is your reasoning based on or evidence?

'Democracy of course being one of their grandest and most successful illusions up to date.' No, the people have LOST Control of democracy by ALLOWING it to go unchallenged!

'It stands to reason that controlling all of these things can not possibly have been achieved by just one family over such a short period of time.

'Therefore it is clear that a massive conspiracy between what may at first appear to be opposing forces must have taken place, and is still going strong, however much it may seem to be falling apart.'

SOMEBODY ELSE IS IN CONTROL, STEERING THE HEARTS AND DESIRES OF MEN!

John 12:31
'31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
or
2 corinthians 4:4
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
oe
Ephesians 2:2
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience.'

You state 'However we know simply by studying our main stream history books that not only have Zionist forces been conspiring, on and sometimes off, with The RCC for at least 1500 years, we know that Zionism is as much, if not a whole lot more powerful force within the RCC, and the Christian faith as a whole, then it has ever been within The Jewish community.'

THEY ARE COMPLETELY OPPOSED TO EACH OTHER, ZIONISM (JERUSALEM) AND ROMAN CATHOLICISM (ROME). HOW CAN THEY COLLUDE TOGETHER AS YOU STATE..IT TOOK ROME NEARLY 50 YEARS TO RECOGNISE ISRAEL..SPEAK SENSE NOT HATRED ( IT IS VISIBLE THROUGH YOUR WORDS, EVEN IF NOT CLEARLY SAID), YOUR ARGUMENTS ARE NOT BASED ON FACTS!

'However there is absolutely nothing new here. I give as my evidence 1914-1918. Where more young men were needlessly sacrificed in less then 5 seconds then the whole of 9/11.'

What sort of evidence is this based on a wrong, unfounded argument?

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

31 December 2010 at 17:38  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Atlas shrugged said...
Your Grace, to say I am impressed, is a massive understatement.

I am speechless with admiration.

Dear Mr Bone

No one really knows quite how deep the rabbit hole goes, not even the rabbits.

Where I come from we just cover all the exits and send the ferrets down. Flat caps and Whippets, us commoners have our uses :-D

31 December 2010 at 19:06  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Predictions are a tricky business , especially in world of the power of knowledge and trends.
I think 2010 will perhaps be best placed as when an important battle was won and scales fell from all too leaden eyelids . It perhaps doesnt seem signifcant at the moment , but I have at least noted some deep questions begining to filter down . We have to put up with the useual retrograde attempts to shore up the idealogically "lite" lines of the spin that was once heralded as a triumph of politics , but none the less there is now a deterioration in Labours "wall of succes" (more like a wailing wall in some respects) . The libs perhaps have a lot of repenting to do , despite a brief seduction by Labour since the election , they at least have shown some knowledge of where a life raft may be located if unable to speak properly that idealogically they were heading in the wrong direction , speaking from script rather than conviction .
I expect this idealogical battle to have a few more huffs and puffs before it sinks in that the British people have been used like kitchen towel in the sourcers apprentice , when they couldnt stop the buckets of cash going to waste based on a rather bad spell of juvenile eutopia.
There are a few weakneses which seem to drag , fifedoms facing embaresment or loss , but the reform of the main aspects of our culture is at least in the gym with some intentions, if not quite ready for the marathon .
Will the lord return in 2011? well he certainly seems to have returned to few hearts in this country . The bit in revelation where it describes "men will become lovers of men" strikes me in age of pop and sports superstars as well as corprorate selling , defines a certain sort of persecution of belief . The dilemma of God and mamon is not immediately soluble in world of big corporations as they seem to fulfill the desires they implant .
I just hope that god enables our church or churches to offer authentic and realiable teaching and message for god to abode in our lives once more.

If I may commend Peter Hitchens latest colum in the DM , not so much because he bats off his useually crowd of athiest posters , but because there are a couple of pure gems of theology , which he may not be aware of.

31 December 2010 at 19:28  
Anonymous len said...

One thing is certain the kingdom of man(with its satanic headship) moves ever closer to collision with the Kingdom of God( under the headship of Jesus Christ).
These two Kingdoms are diametrically opposed each reflecting the attributes of its spiritual head.
The 'prophetic clock'started ticking with the rebirth of Israel as a Nation(against all odds)and we cannot be far from the end.

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."(Matthew 24;14)
Never in the History of the World could the Gospel be preached to so many people simultaneously.

31 December 2010 at 19:47  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Wonderful, Your Grace. Your predictions are just blot on - at least according to my own 'clearsight'!

Must say I hadn't realized Clegg The Alien was also an atheist.. no wonder he wants disestablishment. It is, of course, the next step in euro-establishment; which is doubtless why the brainwashed young are daft enough to favour it.

Also appreciate Your Grace's concept of the 'lurking antichrist': he who has no invisibility cloak, because of Christ's revelations. But the commies have their hands so firmly clenched together in worship, that they use left and right together. They now denigrate Christ consistently, too, so perhaps they're trying also to conflate images of Christ and antiChrist - so that the hoi polloi can't tell the difference there, either.

The trick after polarization is apparently conflation: according to their hall of mirrors.

Which brings me to Harry Potter references in the previous strand. I bought the last books so as to trace any HP/Chi-Rho parallels; and there are references to 'killing death,' but also there's doubt as to whether the Fatherless boy had done so.

Haven't time to resurrect the tomes from the 'for sale' box and re-read - they're so long. Perhaps I should keep them though, in case Beowulf parallels are more apposite; for the real epic is surely more prescient. The Dragon will attack us when we try to retrieve our treasure from its hoard.

Happy NEU Year, to all.

31 December 2010 at 20:15  
Anonymous RJ said...

No parliament can bind its successors. Why should the intention of one parliament to attack the peerage of the realm and public right of representation through the traditionally constituted House of Lords mean that another parliament has to pursue the same agenda?

If you attack the peers, you attack the bishops, and vice versa. You also attack the monarchy. Crown, church, and peerage, are all interrelated and should all be defended by any Tory worthy of the name.

31 December 2010 at 21:00  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

RJ

No reason in particular, however don't worry yourself about the well being of our monarchy, or its Lords as I am sure they can take care of themselves.

However the future of the C of E as we know it is quite a different matter, as in the medium to long term it would appear it does not have one.

31 December 2010 at 22:05  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

31 December 2010 17:38

I cannot be bothered to source my information. Your job is to find out the FACTS for yourself. In doing so try you best to completely ignore anything that comes from The BBC.

The BBC is a Zionist organization, headed up by jesuits and many other Zionists, which loves to present itself as anything but, for OBVIOUS reasons. The Lady doth protest too much.

You are deceived, it really is that simple. You live in a world of lies and falsehoods, and have done so since the day you were conceived.

The RCC is said to currently own around 40% of the land mass of The State of Israel. However even if it was 5%, surely this should tell you something. It makes no difference when who did what to whom, your owners think LONG TERM, and have many tried and tested methods with which to hind their dirty finger prints.

May I suggest you first work out what Zionism is before spouting off your mouth?

Your own ignorance may be bliss, however ignorance it most surely is.

I do not enjoy being like the little boy having to tell the world that the Emperor has no cloths. It is a thankless task which I do not get payed to perform.

Again, I am not asking you to take my word for anything, please be so kind as to properly research the subject yourself.

31 December 2010 at 22:33  
Blogger srizals said...

"The terrorist will continue to be portrayed as a pariah".

"There will be Israel atrocities".

Sorry, for twisting your words your grace, well, that's what they have been doing since the bombing of King David Hotel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

http://guardian.150m.com/palestine/jewish-terrorism.htm

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm

Hope the current terrorists won't copy the most successful terrorist organisations in the world that are able to terrorize Great Britain with religious prophecy to be fulfilled, into submission. Glad my truth doesn't require the killings and oppressions of the innocents.

Happy New Year.

31 December 2010 at 23:27  
Blogger srizals said...

"The hanging of the two British spies is not a retaliatory act for the murder of Hebrew prisoners-of-war, but it is an ordinary legal action of the court of the Underground which has sentenced will sentence the criminals who belong to the criminal Nazi British army of occupation.

We shall revenge the blood of the prisoners war who have been murdered by actions of war against the enemy.

The Court of Irgun Zvai Leumi
In Eretz Israel".

I repeat, "the criminal Nazi British army of occupation".

Maybe they haven't known about Islamofascist back then. I wonder.

1 January 2011 at 00:39  
Blogger Oblong said...

"...you don’t get 2011."

Ah, you've not been watching http://www.wecanknow.com/

"...WE CAN KNOW from the Bible alone that the date of the rapture of believers will take place on May 21, 2011 and that God will destroy this world on October 21, 2011."

Not that I believe them.

1 January 2011 at 01:35  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Cranmer

Britain is a multicultural nation and you have overlooked several groups in your numerical calculations.

Alan shrugged has missed the fact that Pope Gregory XIII introduced our current calendar in 1582 by way of a Papal Bull (afraid so, Kinghighcr). This replaced the Julian calendar, in place since 45 BC - or 753 BC if we stick with the initial Roman calendar.

Maybe this change in 1582 (or whatever date it was depending ...) was a Zionist- Roman Catholic plot to confuse the masses in case they noticed the machinations of the Illuminati!

But in our multicultural age we must mention the Islam calendar too. This is based on the year Muhammed reportedly emigrated, without a passport, from Mecca to Medina. Thus we are in the year 1432 AH.

Then there's the Hindu calendar which, like their 'gods' is legion. Like trying to comprehend their 'theology', or 'demonology', I've given up!

Must not forget the Chinese calendar dating from 2600 BC (our Gregorian calendar) Their New Year falls somewhere between January and mid-February!

Then, last but not least, the Mayan calendar dating from 400 BC. Don't ask ...

So, return to your calculator, if you still have the will to live, and let us known if the Rapture might actually be upon us in 2011.

One never knows!

Happy New Year - it might be our last!

1 January 2011 at 01:56  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Non Mouse
"Must say I hadn't realized Clegg The Alien was also an atheist.. no wonder he wants disestablishment."

Clegg has not made any calls for disestablishment(something which would result in many Protestants joining the national church)

Arch
AV was in the 2010 Labour Party manifesto.

A very happy and prosperous Year of the Rabbit to you all.

1 January 2011 at 02:01  
Blogger srizals said...

Yes, the rapture, but then again, was it divinely inspired? Was it written by yet another writers of the gospels or was it just another hoax? I can't help it but wonder, again.

1 January 2011 at 04:32  
Anonymous len said...

Srizel,s doubting the Word of God seems to be part and Parcel of your appearances on this blog.It is merely a sign to us Christians as to who you owe your allegiance to!
True Christians are founded on the Rock(Christ) and no amount of shaking will move them!
So all your'doubting does'is confirm the faith of genuine Christians!.

Thank you.

And may you find the true Christ during this New Year

1 January 2011 at 08:55  
Blogger Gnostic said...

...and as bears continue to defecate in sylvan surroundings the pope will most likely remain Catholic.

1 January 2011 at 11:11  
Blogger Ronald said...

If we had an elected lords could the bishops not stand for election?

It would be facinating to see how many votes, if any, they could get from the general population.

1 January 2011 at 11:20  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

When it comes to numerological scrying heres a quote for you...

The most ancient utterance of the mind of man is a statement of numerology, inscribed on the back of a tortoise in China-the Eight Trigrams taken from Numerology by Austin Coates.

It was as a youth, when the problems of the World seemed too Great to ovecome I used to go atop the hills off the penines to star gaze at night.

When you picture yourself spinning on this speck of dust looking out at the most ancient utterance of the mind of God, winking back at you from above, it reminds you the Worlds problems are down to the fact Earth is nothing more than a nursery for Souls.

It was then I knew I could never trust my spiritual development to a snot nosed shit covered brat who thought he was cock of the sand pit.

The year is whatever year we need it to be, in order to give us the time to grow up.

It is a year you lived and not a year you didn't so now is your chance, take it!

Happy New Year all

1 January 2011 at 11:40  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

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1 January 2011 at 12:04  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Gnostic

Doesn't Sylvan, mean an association with the woods - someone who lives in the wood?

Pennsylvania = "Penn's woods".

The Founding Fathers of the United States convened in Philadelphia in 1774, with 12 colonies sending representatives to the First Continental Congress.
It was also the site where the Declaration of Independence was signed. Interestingly, its state tree is hemlock.

I do hope 'bear' returns to the Sylvan with its 'prostestant ethic', and stays there leaving the Pope residing in the Vatican City, out of its way, to continue offering the universal message of Christ from the city founded originally on seven hills!

"Be as wise as serpents and as harmless as doves"

1 January 2011 at 13:18  
Blogger srizals said...

So tell me Len, what is the rapture? In case I got it all wrong again. When and who would be a good start.

1 January 2011 at 14:40  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said 1 January 2011 14:40

The Rapture is where the Lord removes His people from the earth as He now brings the desires of wicked men to a conclusion and the TIME OF HIS GREAT WRATH.

He declares this time as The Wrath Of God, His judgement of the wicked and of Satan and His emissaries, The Antichrist and False Prophet, who delude the world into worshipping him.

God never punishes HIS PEOPLE during His WRATH against men.

YOU MUST NOT CONFUSE PERSECUTION WITH TRIBULATION, one is mens wrath against believers, the other is GOD'S WRATH against unbelievers who commit wickedness.

He removes them as He did Noah and Lot.

You will not find the Rapture in Roman Catholicism as they are Amillenial (NO PHYSICAL REIGN ON EARTH FROM CHRIST, His 'CHURCH' reigns in His place, WHICH IS AGAINST ALL BIBLICAL TEACHING!).
Neither in Protestantism as most are Amillenial, as the remnant of Catholic Teaching brought through after seperating from Rome'

IF SATAN REALLY HAS BEEN CAST INTO THE ABYSS, IT MUST BE LIKE AN OPEN PRISON WHERE HE IS FREE TO ROAM AT WILL. SOME ABYSS, SOME CHAINS??

However it has been believed and been the HOPE of All Believers WHO BELIEVE CHRIST WILL RETURN FIRST FOR US, TO SNATCH US AWAY, WHO BELIEVE HE WILL DO THIS PRIOR TO HIS WRATH AS HIS WRATH IS 'NEVER' FOR HIS PEOPLE!!!.
HE RETURNS WITH US FROM HEAVEN TO FINISH MEN'S REIGN AND RULE FOREVER FROM THE THRONE OF KING DAVID IN ISRAEL AS GABRIEL DECLARED IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT.GABRIEL IS HIS HERALD AND SPEAKS ALWAYS ABOUT CHRIST.

Luke 1:31-33
1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.

1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

1:33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

However I wonder WHY you ask this.

MISCHIEF??

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

1 January 2011 at 15:13  
Blogger srizals said...

Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS,
Nope, honest desire to learn. I can't just be reading about them from books and the net. I need someone learned to tell me directly.

What about the sheep of Israel? What would happen to them if they refused to obey the lord?

1 January 2011 at 15:24  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Atlas Said

'I cannot be bothered to source my information. Your job is to find out the FACTS for yourself.

(IT IS NOT MY JOB TO GO SEARCHING FOR THE VAIN IMAGINATIONS OF MEN FROM CRANMER'S BLOG, YOU STATE YOU HAVE KNOWLEDGE, SO STATE IT. I SEVERELY DOUBT YOU HAVE ANY OR ELSE WHY NOT GIVE IT AND 'SAVE' YOUR FELLOW SUFFERERS?).

'The RCC is said to currently own around 40% of the land mass of The State of Israel. However even if it was 5%, surely this should tell you something. It makes no difference when who did what to whom, your owners think LONG TERM, and have many tried and tested methods with which to hind their dirty finger prints.'

WHERE, ARE YOU COMPLETELY DELUDED, SHOW FROM ANY RECORDS THAT THIS IS THE CASE?)

In doing so try you best to completely ignore anything that comes from The BBC.

(THIS IS A VERY BIASED ORGANISATION RUN BY LEFT WING LUUVIES..WE KNOW, BUT YOU IMPLIED THEY WERE ZIONIST..WHERE..THE JEWISH PEOPLE YOU REFER TO AT THE BBC ARE SECULAR, UNBELIEVING JEWS).

'May I suggest you first work out what Zionism is before spouting off your mouth?'
BEFORE I TELL YOU WHAT ZIONISM IS, LET ME HEAR 'YOU' SAY WHAT IT IS..IN PLAIN ENGLISH, SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND!

'Again, I am not asking you to take my word for anything (I DON'T OR EXPECT OTHERS TO TAKE MY WORD EITHER), please be so kind as to properly research the subject yourself.
(YOU DO NOT EVEN KNOW NOR CAN EXPLAIN WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TO OR WHY IT IS IMPORTANT. I WILL NOT WASTE THE PRECIOUS TIME MY LORD HAS GIVEN ME ON THIS FOLLY...OH, BY THE WAY, YOU HAVE NO CLOTHES ON!!)

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

1 January 2011 at 15:34  
Blogger srizals said...

Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS,

May I ask who came up with this concept and when did this doctrine came to be? The relocated ones, are they alive or dead when they were taken to heaven? Thanks.

1 January 2011 at 15:35  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said

State the scripture you quote from so I can answer you properly. IF YOU ARE TRULY AFTER UNDERSTANDING.

TELL ME IF YOU UNDERSTAND THE RAPTURE NOW OR IS IT STILL A MYSTERY TO YOU. WHAT DO YOU THINK.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU.
WHERE IS ISLAM OR MUSLIMS STATED IN RELATION TO THIS DURING GOD'S WRATH. WHERE ARE THEY, WHOSE SIDE ARE THEY ON. SHOW FROM THE HOLY BIBLE WHERE THIS IS MENTIONED?

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

1 January 2011 at 15:39  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said

'Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS,

May I ask who came up with this concept and when did this doctrine came to be? The relocated ones, are they alive or dead when they were taken to heaven? Thanks.'

ANSWER MY QUESTIONS FIRST, THEN I WILL TELL YOU..FAIR?

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

1 January 2011 at 15:42  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

KINGOFHIGHCR

If you truely believe in evangelism why not mexplain this?

I would be interested too in the scriptural basis and evidence for your INTERPRETATION of God's word.

"Be as wise as serpents and as pure as doves"

1 January 2011 at 17:37  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Mr Eman said 1 January 2011 17:37

Let Srizals respond first, then I will be HAPPY to answer your question as you obviously need EVANGELISING.

I FOREVER ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS BUT NEVER ANY ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS..JUST LIKE THE SCRIBES AND PHARISSE'S. WHY SHOULD I BOTHER?.

Mark 11:27-33
27And they come again to Jerusalem: and as he was walking in the temple, there come to him the chief priests, and the scribes, and the elders,

28And say unto him, By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority to do these things?

29And Jesus answered and said unto them, I will also ask of you one question, and answer me, and I will tell you by what authority I do these things.

30The baptism of John, was it from heaven, or of men? answer me.

31And they reasoned with themselves, saying, If we shall say, From heaven; he will say, Why then did ye not believe him?

32But if we shall say, Of men; they feared the people: for all men counted John, that he was a prophet indeed.

33And they answered and said unto Jesus, We cannot tell. And Jesus answering saith unto them, Neither do I tell you by what authority I do these things.

YOU PROVE BY YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF ROME AND UNFAULTERING BLIND BELIEF, YOU NEED HELP AND URGENTLY.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

1 January 2011 at 20:00  
Blogger srizals said...

1. I can find only these,

1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thess 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1 Thess 4:18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

2. Rapture is still a mystery to me.

3. I don't think any Muslims are involved in the rapture and if the good and the bad should meet, eventually, they would be on the good side against the overwhelming bad, as always. Many would die though, but death comes to us all. Either we want to die as slaves and cowards or the opposite, is the ultimate question. We can't escape it when the time comes. Even when we are lying safely on soft luxurious beds. How and why are all that matters. The pain of death for the patient that have the strength to endure pain and temptation counts. And the manners of the angel of death differs accordingly. The good and the evil differ greatly. They won't be treated the same by him.

2 January 2011 at 00:43  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

kingofhighcs
Srizals

Srizals - as you know I don't share your faith (and never can) but I'm developing a respect for the manner in which you respond to the hatred thrown your way. I also appreciate your tempered and thoughtful use of scripture.

Kingofhighcs - insults and shouting aside, I'm still awaiting your your comments on the biblical texts indicating Apostolic succession. And your biblical references for the 'rapture'.

2 January 2011 at 02:37  
Anonymous len said...

Srizels,
The more important question for muslim`s should be....the Islamic 'Isa' or the Biblical Jesus (or Yesua)
Because knowing the truth about Yeshua will determine your Eternal destiny.
There is too much material to put here regarding the Rapture but here is a link.

www.oxfordbiblechurch
Follow=
Teachings...End Time Prophesy....Rapture of the Church.

2 January 2011 at 09:09  
Anonymous non mouse said...

"Rapture" is here used in an older sense of the word, which means: "a seizing and carrying away ," [cf. Chambers].

This derives from the Latin rapio, rapere, rapui, raptum - to seize, snatch, tear away - and also from its relatives: rapto, raptare to seize and carry away; and raptus, raptus, m. 1) a tearing off, rending away 2) a carrying off, abduction (also rape).

All the above explain why some birds are 'raptors' - and why verses like Matt 24:31 describes a 'rapture':

"And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other,"
which is similar to Thess.4:16-17, as quoted above.

2 January 2011 at 12:03  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Yes, I know; sorry: ...why a verse/describes; or verses/describe.

2 January 2011 at 12:13  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

non mouse said...

"Rapture" is here used in an older sense of the word, which means: "a seizing and carrying away ,"

This derives from the Latin rapio, rapere, rapui, raptum - to seize, snatch, tear away - and also from its relatives: rapto, raptare to seize and carry away; and raptus, raptus, m. 1) a tearing off, rending away 2) a carrying off, abduction (also rape).

Metaphoric or literal?
Requiring prayerful meditation and spiritual understanding or not?

Awful lot of speculation in the 'theory' and very considerable interpretation. By what authority do you claim this understanding? By whose authority do you claim 'infallibity' in proclaiming this as correct?

St Paul clearly states different gifts and roles are given within the Mystical, Universal Church. Indeed, didn't Paul stay with Peter after his meeting with Christ? Why so?

2 January 2011 at 14:59  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Mr. Eman @ 14:59

Etymology: The science of or investigation of the derivation and original signification of words.
You fail to acknowledge that, above, I offer you the authority of Chambers. Perhaps it was oversight, or perhaps you are unaware of this Dictionary as a long-respected and respectable source of reference for etymology in English. For double verification of Latin, I habitually resort to Cassell's Latin Dictionary, and did so in this case.

Your response also suggests the possibility that your studies exclude use of dictionaries in Latin and English. Said use is, nevertheless, a scholarly tool: it informs and enhances not only the application of literacy, but also the practice of any formal study in language, literature, or writing. That is common knowledge; if you deny it, then you and I have no further grounds for considering this discussion 'erudite.'

Your studies clearly have not included "History of the English Language," which is usually a postgraduate course. It requires the use of dictionaries and also teaches the history of their development. We can, in that respect, access collections of Old English glosses, which were most frequently concerned with translation of Biblical and Christian texts from Latin. It is reasonable to regard these hand-written glosses as our earliest English dictionaries, and also to view the later (print) OED as a venerable progression from that history. If you have access to an online edition of the latter, you can easily trace a reliable timeline of any English word -- though the Medieval English Dictionary from Michigan University often adds further detail. The project for producing an online dictionary of Old English was incomplete when I checked earlier in 2010, but Bosworth Toller is a classic print work of reference there.

Figurative, "mystical," or literal application of words depends on users, and it would be ignorant to deny the figurative dimensions of Scriptural texts. My points are that the English words "rapt," "rapture," etc. have the origin cited, and that this sense is valid in the contexts under discussion. I now add that franco-german deconstructionists and post-modernists are free to re-inscribe the word and limit it as an hysterical/emotional/psychological construct, if they choose; but their practice neither eliminates historical fact, nor prevents scholars from recognising it.

Oh --- and I claim no infallibility. My loyalty is to the Word (Author of all words) and the Truth (Judge of all our truths).

3 January 2011 at 02:07  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Your Grace

Your instincts and reasoning are faultless, as usual. The British constitution has been grievously weakened by unprincipled tinkerers and charlatans. What they have done cannot be easily undone and the clock cannot be wound back. The only way is forward.

The best constitution in Europe is arguably that of the Federal Republic of Germany. British constitutional reformers could do worse than to pick up that model and apply it to the UK, with the Monarch rather than a President. The change from unitary to federal constitutional structure has already been started by Blair, without either explanation or understanding. It merely requires a British politician of real comprehension to complete the job. No sign of him/her as yet. Those who have inhibitions about adopting something as important as the national constitution from Germany should think again. The German constitution is the most recent developed world application of the US Constitution and its Commonwealth progeny such as the Australian constitution.

The aim of British constitutional reform should be to strengthen the UK in all respects, thus preparing for a relatively painless departure from the EU.

3 January 2011 at 10:05  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

RECOVERED POST (mysteriously deleted...?)

non mouse has left a new comment on your post "2011 will be a year of constitutional reform":

Mr. Eman @ 14:59

Etymology: The science of or investigation of the derivation and original signification of words.
You fail to acknowledge that, above, I offer you the authority of Chambers. Perhaps it was oversight, or perhaps you are unaware of this Dictionary as a long-respected and respectable source of reference for etymology in English. For double verification of Latin, I habitually resort to Cassell's Latin Dictionary, and did so in this case.

Your response also suggests the possibility that your studies exclude use of dictionaries in Latin and English. Said use is, nevertheless, a scholarly tool: it informs and enhances not only the application of literacy, but also the practice of any formal study in language, literature, or writing. That is common knowledge; if you deny it, then you and I have no further grounds for considering this discussion 'erudite.'

Your studies clearly have not included "History of the English Language," which is usually a postgraduate course. It requires the use of dictionaries and also teaches the history of their development. We can, in that respect, access collections of Old English glosses, which were most frequently concerned with translation of Biblical and Christian texts from Latin. It is reasonable to regard these hand-written glosses as our earliest English dictionaries, and also to view the later (print) OED as a venerable progression from that history. If you have access to an online edition of the latter, you can easily trace a reliable timeline of any English word -- though the Medieval English Dictionary from Michigan University often adds further detail. The project for producing an online dictionary of Old English was incomplete when I checked earlier in 2010, but Bosworth Toller is a classic print work of reference there.

Figurative, "mystical," or literal application of words depends on users, and it would be ignorant to deny the figurative dimensions of Scriptural texts. My points are that the English words "rapt," "rapture," etc. have the origin cited, and that this sense is valid in the contexts under discussion. I now add that franco-german deconstructionists and post-modernists are free to re-inscribe the word and limit it as an hysterical/emotional/psychological construct, if they choose; but their practice neither eliminates historical fact, nor prevents scholars from recognising it.

3 January 2011 at 11:54  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Many thanks Your Grace! I've never been quite that badly afflicted before. We'll see if this message holds.

3 January 2011 at 12:38  
Blogger srizals said...

Non mouse, is it true that in the KJV stated that Judas was on the cross and not Jesus? Can I have an access of this original version of KJV? Is it available in the library?

3 January 2011 at 14:56  
Anonymous len said...

Srizels,
I realise there may not be many Bible shops in you neck of the woods but there are online versions you can read for yourself.

3 January 2011 at 15:56  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

non mouse has left a new comment on your post "2011 will be a year of constitutional reform":

Mr. Eman @ 14:59

Sir, I bow to your superior education. I attended a lowly secondary modern school and was therefore not privileged to receive instuction in the classics or languages. Indeed, though written in English, I barely understood this post!

Ever heard of the 'Plain English Society'?

However, we talk cross purposes. I fully accept your definition. My reference to allegory v's literal was directed at those who believe we will be snatched from the planet some day soon with just 144,000 remaining here.

I am interesting in knowing the basis for this belief - which may or may not be true. I don't know as Roman Catholics are discouraged from vain attempts at comprehending Revelations. Indeed, the Church has avoided any doctrinal position although some Church Fathers have offered insights.

3 January 2011 at 21:43  

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