Saturday, December 18, 2010

BBC: The Freedom Association is ‘a posher version of the BNP’

David Baddiel was interviewed earlier today by Alan Davies on BBC Radio 5, to talk about his new film The Norris McWhirter Chronicles, to be screened in the ‘Little Cracker’s season of festive films over the Christmas period.

The Norris McWhirter Chronicles covers a visit Norris made to David Baddiel’s school, the Haberdashers' Aske's Boys' School in Elstree, in 1978. Roy Castle’s Record Breakers was at the height of its popularity, and the latest guest speaker at teenage David Baddiel’s school is none other than editor of the Guinness Book of Records, Norris McWhirter, played (by all accounts very creditably) by Alistair McGowan.

But during the Radio 5 interview is an appalling misrepresentation by Baddiel of The Freedom Association, which Norris established in 1975 with his twin brother Ross and Viscount De L'Isle. The Association is at the forefront of campaigning in defence of personal and political freedom.

Yet Baddiel refers to it as ‘a very, very right-wing, kind of sub-BNP, slightly posher version of the BNP organisation’ (Radio 5 1h 23m in).

Alan Davies then proceeds to conjecture if Norris McWhirter was ‘a brown shirt with Mosley’

‘Brown-shirt’ is neo-Nazi vocabulary: Mosley’s British Union of Fascists instituted a corps of black-uniformed paramilitary stewards, nicknamed blackshirts, which is probably what Alan Davies meant.

Nazi brown or Fascist black, this slander of Norris McWhirter is quite outrageous.

But maybe it is quite unsurprising coming from the BBC which even its own Director General admits is guilty of ‘massive’ left-wing bias.

Perhaps in Luvviedom, TFA is akin to the BNP.

But Norris was in showbiz through three decades, working tirelessly for the BBC on Record Breakers until the death of Roy Castle in 1994.

One might expect the BBC at least to honour his memory and respect his magnificent contribution to the programme, not to mention show a little respect for his remarkable achievement in co-founding the Guinness Book of Records.

But here we have Alan Davies and David Baddiel trashing the honour and reputation of one of the nation’s finest.

It is easy to speak ill of the dead.

When he passed away, The Freedom Association was inundated with messages of sympathy and tributes to the man, his life and his work:

Baroness Thatcher: “…He was a man who cherished freedom and was never afraid to speak out when he felt that it was in danger. He championed its cause throughout his life, taking up alone the challenge which he and Ross had shared. Whether it was in defying over-mighty Soviet Communism or in trimming the power of local bureaucrats, Norris was tireless. He saw the dangers to the individual whenever the state, or other large institutions, intruded further into peoples lives – eroding responsibility and fostering dependency. Above all he was always on his guard against systems, and their proponents, who sought to lessen freedom. Truly, he was a valiant warrior, and life is diminished with his passing.”

Andrew Roberts: “The great 19th century historian Lord Acton was going to write A History of Liberty, but died before he completed the research. One day it shall be written, and when it is a golden, glorious chapter will be devoted to what Norris McWhirter did for all of us.”

Christopher Gill: “…Norris was a man of great courage, enormous integrity and a fearless campaigner for individual freedom and national independence. He was a man of principle, a truly honourable man but above all else, a committed and sincere patriot. As a champion of freedom he was a beacon of hope whose sudden and unexpected extinguishment will be an irreplaceable loss to the the cause for which he gave so much.”

Gerald Howarth MP: “…Norris's determined, unwavering and principled stand in defence of the ancient liberties of Her Majesty's subjects was an inspiration to all who shared his love of freedom. His campaign to protect the rights of the British people against those who would hand power to others on the Continent played a part in shifting public opinion.”

Robert Halfon MP: “A great and kind man who did so much for the cause of freedom and fought so hard to stop Britain being submerged into a European superstate.”

Professor Patrick Minford CBE: “…Norris was one of the earliest to understand the threat to the interests of the UK and indeed those of ordinary Europeans from the European Union and its burgeoning bureaucracy. He worked with others in the early 1990s to spread understanding among MPs and the general public about the economic and political threat. He took the government to court for its actions in betraying British sovereignty. He was a pioneer in the ongoing endeavour to turn the tide against this dangerous project, once thought ‘inevitable’ but now increasingly seen as seriously damaging in the absence of a massive change of EU policies.”

Roger Foster OBE: “…As a founder member of the Freedom Association, working with Norris to set up our own charter I remember so well his determination that the Magna Carta had to be the basis of our charter for the rights of the British people to live their own lives in the way they wanted and not be controlled by rules and regulations. His equal determination through the Association, was to try to bring the government closer to and more understanding of the people who had elected them to govern….”

John Redwood MP: “…he will best be remembered for his courageous fight to maintain real democracy in Britain. Norris was never too busy to take up a cause. He fought against abuses of power here in Britain and for the rights of Soviet dissidents. He fought against the signing of the Maastricht Treaty and against subliminal advertising. As the head of the National Association for Freedom, he supported parents who were desperately trying to keep grammar schools going and he took up the cases of workers who were sacked because they refused to join a union. Norris richly deserved the CBE awarded to him when Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister.”

And there are very many more tributes to Norris McWhirter on The Freedom Association website. He was not only a good man: he was tenacious for liberty, principled for freedom, a distinguished all-rounder; he was great.

Yet despite all this praise, respect and reverence, the BBC is content to broadcast an interview in which he is tarnished with neo-Nazi and fascist allusions, and in which The Freedom Association is portrayed as BNP-lite.

His Grace is really quite outraged, and would like to encourage his readers and communicants to make a formal complaint to the BBC, demanding a full apology for Alan Davies' slander of Norris McWhirter and David Baddiel's quite outrageous and unwarranted attack on The Freedom Association.

You may do so by clicking HERE.

Bless you.


Blogger English Viking said...

I'm sure he was a very nice chap.

18 December 2010 at 17:56  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Speaking of Sir Oswald let us not forget Mandelson's sidekick Benjamin Wegg-Prosser whose grandfather stood in the East End as a BUF candidate.

As for the Freedom Association it did some good but comparing it to a political party like the BNP which did not exist back then is fatuous....still we know what Labour looked like back then with Boris Ponamaryev of the Central Committee of the CPSU addressing Comrades

18 December 2010 at 17:56  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I always thought McWhirter was on another planet when it came to his political views. Not sure that the Freedom Association was fascist but a posh version of the BNP, yeah, that sounds about right actually!

18 December 2010 at 18:21  
Anonymous twizzler said...

Why do you think this has anything to do with the BBC? Surely Messrs Baddiel & Davies are allowed to say what they want, form their own (no matter how ill-judged) opinions and air them?
Or would His Grace rather have a Political Police monitor everything said by journalists & commentators to ensure it conformed with conservative views?
As it happens, the TFA were very controversial during apartheid South Africa and the mud from then still sticks.
There's been a lot of rumbling about BBC 'bias' from the conservative end of the spectrum recently and it's pure bunkum, the alternatives being a limit on journalists with their own opinions, or a fox-news style 'counterweight'.
As it is, I think the BBC are often guilty of a conservative bias, but I suppose the conservative complainants don't notice that do they?

18 December 2010 at 18:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree with much of this blog and perhaps these 'jokers; were cofusing the TFA with the EDA.

An area that cannot be hidden away though is the TFA's threat in 1988 to prevent the BBC broadcasting the Nelson Mandela concert - wathched by an audience of 600 million. A short sighted and mistaken position on South Africa discredited both Norris McWhirter, MBE, and the TFA.

Pity some will remember him for this and perhaps it's why he is viewed with suspicion.

18 December 2010 at 19:13  
Blogger English Viking said...

anon, 19:13

It is also a pity that the unthinking, such as yourself, revere Mandela as some kind of victim of racism and proponent of world peace, when he is nothing more than a common murderer and terrorist.

Google 'Church Street massacre' and learn.

He was in prison for a reason, and it wasn't because he was black.

18 December 2010 at 20:31  
OpenID gavindrake said...

Alan Davies merely asked the question in response to David Baddiel's comments; and David Baddiel said 'no' and added that would be defamatory - that's me memory of the piece.

18 December 2010 at 21:23  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

This left, right stuff simply has to go.

David Baddiel is as stupid, as he is divisive, as he is dangerous to all of us including himself.

Ignorance may be bliss, it may even get you a few laughs and therefore also a bob or two. However in general profound ignorance on a Baddiel type scale, is a very bad idea indeed.

Could someone, anyone, please be so kind as to define what left or right wing actually means?

No, I knew not, however I will have a go anyway.

Right wing is defined as everything a person who prefers to describe themselves as left wing believes to be bad, ignorant, evil, or just plane wrong.

Left wing is defined as everything a person who prefers to describe themselves as right wing, believes to be bad, ignorant, evil, or just plane wrong.

As you can see any type of concept of individual freedom can very easily get permanently lost while this type of childish thinking is going on.

I am starting to believe that the general public fully deserve their imprisoned enslavement.


Fascism is both right, and left wing at the exact same time it is neither.

Fascism is the establishment controlled shit that ultimately comes out of the middle of both the right, and the left hand cheeks.

Fascism is the ruling elites temple that can only be established in strength supported by both a right and a left hand pillar.

Fascism is a double headed axe-head protected by many infinitely less dangerous wooden sticks.

Fascism is the establishments double-headed EAGLE that can only fly while both wings are rapidly flapping.

Freedom on the other hand certainly should be of the people as a whole, and should never go anywhere near double headed or otherwise axes or eagles. Still less party politics, or established religion.

18 December 2010 at 22:07  
Blogger jdennis_99 said...

The BBC only describe the BNP as 'far-right' because in their book, that means evil.

The BNP advocate authoritarian control of immigration, policing and justice, trade protectionism, and the nationalisation of utilities companies. That, to me, sounds very LEFT-wing, not right.

But the Beeb couldn't POSSIBLY accept such an association. Because left-wing people are nice.

18 December 2010 at 22:31  
Anonymous not a machine said...

I quite understand your graces outrage , and this trashing totally misses , what leaders came together under this banner , it may even be said that the soviet era dissolved because of it .
Still what would you expect from a lefty era comedy guru who moved into football . Perhaps not praise but this does not explain the Freedom asscoaition main thrust , nor it seems any belief why , if he had thought about it , a little more gratitude for a past stance that allowed a great freedom to happen .

18 December 2010 at 22:35  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

English Viking

Anonymous here.

When did I say I revered Mandela? You're jumping to conclusions. Whether I like Mandela and the ANC or not would you accept, in principle, that a freedom movement,
backed by the majority of a nation, can be legitimate? There are plenty of examples down through history - Google them!

In 1983, the time of the bombing, Mandela had been in prison for 20 years! The attack was authorised by Oliver Tambo.

Mandela has received more than 250 awards, including the 1993 Nobel Peace Prize.

Do try to get your basic facts right before you accuse someone of being unthinking!

18 December 2010 at 23:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh, and incidentally English Viking, the Truth and Reconciliation granted amnesty for this attack despite the fabrication of statistics by SAAF.

Or do you know better?

18 December 2010 at 23:18  
Blogger English Viking said...

ANON, 23:12

The attack WAS authorised by Mandela. I know this because he has proclaimed it so in his, ahem, 'autobiography'. Try to get your facts right before you accuse someone of not having their facts right.

Yasser Arafat also received the Nobel prize for peace, and he was a real nice guy too. Obama won as well, for doing precisely nothing, other than being what the left perceives as black. Leave it a few decades and Mssrs McGuinness and Adams will no doubt have one too.

It's true you never explicitly revered Mandela, I just deduced so from your waffle concerning his crappy concert. So I guess you'll join me in condemning this murderous criminal.

No? Thought not.

PS Why anon? Embarrassed?

18 December 2010 at 23:32  
Blogger English Viking said...


There is only one who can grant real amnesty, and it's not the Truth and Reconciliation Committee.

It is next to impossible to fabricate the statistics concerning the dead and maimed after the bombing. Visit the graves, or the amputees, or the brain-damaged.

Or do you know better?

18 December 2010 at 23:40  
Anonymous srizals said...

English Viking said,
"Obama won as well, for doing precisely nothing, other than being what the left perceives as black."

Wrong again. He increased more tension and spread wider aggression overtly and had to swallow his own words about the illegal 'exclusive for the ex- slaves of the Pharoah' housing in Palestine when Netanyahu gave him the Chosen People's frown.

19 December 2010 at 00:17  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

English Viking said 18 December 2010 23:32

You beat me to it with the reference to Yasser Arafat.

A terrorist is a terrorist.

Next, give it several years, it will be Adams or McGuiness receiving a nobel for peace in N Ireland, irrespective of atrocities committed there by them and others they authorised?.

You cannot speak truth without being condemned sometimes? Oh Well.


19 December 2010 at 03:16  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Fantasy football, fantasy politics, fantasy impartiality. Can anyone else spot a trend here?

19 December 2010 at 08:11  
Blogger johnpaul said...

Yes Mandela did authorise Bombings, But as John Redwood praised Mcwqirter for Democracy, remember the Freedom assocation was against Mandela and the ANC, who were fighting for democracy that Mcquirter was agaisnt, so maybe compairing the Freeedom Assoc to the fascists isn't that far off

19 December 2010 at 08:47  
Anonymous jones said...

Complaint sent.

'Whilst understanding the ideological slant within the BBC could I please be made to understand the basis of Baddiels comments on the probity of Mr Mc Whirter with reference to an assumption that he was a 'nazi/blackshirt etc etc ad-nauseum....(and presumably, therefore, a racist god forbid etc ad-nauseum.)

It could legitimately be said that one mans' nazi is another mans' hero( to paraphrase) after all wasn't good old 'uncle Joe' Stalin just such a nice chappie (well, not a nazi of course but just as murderous) according to the BBC during the Second World War in the fight against Hitler?. Time's Man of the Year 1942 indeed to prove it.

As was Hitler the Time's Man of the Year for 1938 but move along, nothing to see here.

I say the above in full recognition of the absolutely essential role 'uncle' Joe played in the defeat of the very ideology that Baddiel is suggesting Norris McWhirter was allied to.

This is a scurrilous attack on a fine man and is grossly offensive in it's nature.

How much did the Baddiel 'earn' from this outrage?'

19 December 2010 at 08:47  
Blogger Chancellor More said...

Having reflected overnight on the dilema's about civil protest and 'freedom fighters', a new phenomena to me, I have to say it is difficult to justify killing and maiming innocent victims even if it a consequence of fighting for a just cause. The ends can never justify the means.

In South Africa the cause seems to me to have been just but, perhaps, not the means. However, if a regime is wilfully repressing and killing its people, instead of serving its populace, leaving no avenues open for change, what are its people to do?

I have not read Mr Mandela's auto biology but on release from prison did he renounce violence? Did he not adopt another route to achieve justice?

How is the world to achieve peace and justice? I'm not sure it ever can. Nevertheless it is the responsibility of its leaders and everyone to strive towards this in the face of evil. So much evil abounds today and so few people appear concerned.

It was the same four centuries ago when the Church emroiled itself in the politics of Europe thinking this was to route to salvation.

Armed 'revolution' is not God's way as Saint Peter was advised when an act of injustice was perpetrated against Christ by Rome and Israel. Sometimes one cannot render under to Ceasar the things that belong to God. The early martyrs testify to this.

I was judged a traitor because I refused to sign an oath of allegiance requiring me to surrender body and soul to the Crown. Rising against my King, Henry, never occurred to me. He was placed in a position of lawful authority over his subjects and is answerable to God for his actions.

19 December 2010 at 09:50  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Norris McWhirter was a noble and honourable man and a servant of truth as he saw it.

Like any mortal man he may or may not have been right about everything, who knows, but he stood up for what he believed and used legitimate channels to promote his arguments. So far as I am aware he was a gentleman and a scholar, using reason and persuasion as his method.

May he rest in peace.

19 December 2010 at 10:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The only way to change the BBC is to hit them where it hurts - namely by organizing and participating in a mass boycott of the TV Licence.

Alfred of Wessex

19 December 2010 at 10:52  
Anonymous berserker-nkl said...

Has their ever been a poll of the newspapers BBC employees read? My guess is that the "Guardian' would get about 80%.

19 December 2010 at 11:35  
Anonymous Hoover said...

Obiter on the topic of Acton, of whom Roberts said "The great 19th century historian Lord Acton was going to write A History of Liberty, but died before he completed the research."

"It is possible to take too many notes; the task of sorting, filing andassimilating them can take for ever, so that nothing gets written. The awful warning is Lord Acton, whose enormous learning never resulted in the greatwork the world expected of him. An unforgettable description of Acton's Shropshire study after his death in 1902 was given by Sir Charles Oman.

There were shelves and shelves of books, many of them with pencilled notes in the margin. `There were pigeonholed desks and cabinets with literally thousands of compartments into each of which were sorted little white slips with references to some particular topic, so drawn up (so far as I could see) that no one but the compiler could easily make out the drift.' And there were piles of unopened parcels of books, which kept arriving, even after his death. `For years apparently he had been endeavouring to keep up with everything that had been written, and to work their results into his vast thesis.' `I never saw a sight,' Oman writes, `that more impressed on me the vanity of human life and learning.'"

19 December 2010 at 14:21  
Blogger Little Black Sambo said...

"There's been a lot of rumbling about BBC 'bias' from the conservative end of the spectrum recently and it's pure bunkum, the alternatives being a limit on journalists with their own opinions, or a fox-news style 'counterweight'."
There is a much better alternative: simply abolish the licence fee and leave the BBC to make its own way.

19 December 2010 at 14:38  
Blogger Claire Khaw said...

It will create more interest, Your Grace. The TFA should be proud of its association with Britain's bravest political party who will not run and hide under their beds whenever some smug stinking hypocritical liberal whispers "racist" in their ear, unlike the lily-livered Tories and UKIP.

Let us face the fact that middle class activists are almost without exception feeble of spirit and feeble of mind.

The TFA and UKIP are mainly made up of the elderly while the BNP membership remains youthful and energetic, and are not too stuck up to do the bread and butter work of political activism, ie leafleting.

The strength of the British proletariat to fight the disgusting and evil LibLabCon is required when so many members of the bourgeoisie are are so easily contemptibly easily to intimidate.

The strength of the BNP lies in the fact that the typical member has already crossed the Rubicon of refusing to shut up even when they are intimidated socially and politically for speaking what they believe to be the truth.

No other party has this quality of courage and determination.

What good are these so-called libertarians and UKIP for when they don't even recognise totalitarian thoughtcrime legislation even after it has repeatedly kicked them in the head?

Is it because they are stupid or because they are scared?

How typical of the easily-frightened middle classes to start talking about "BNP scum" the moment they are accused of having similar policies.

Pathetic, dishonorable and contemptible.

The truth is that the white middle classes hate the BNP much much more than the BNP are said to hate non-whites.

It would appear that those who like to think of themselves as Traditional Conservatives are more than prepared to let their nation die of the class divisions they are so apparently proud to live under.

Is this yet another disgusting example of Christian hypocrisy?

The spinelessness, snobbery and stupidity of British men who wish to fight the LibLabCon has to be experienced to be believed.

I am, Your Grace, BNP and proud.

19 December 2010 at 15:24  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Claire Kwah @15:24

Regardless of whatever you are proud to be, yet again you exhibit a certain schizophrenia purporting to be a political rationale! I cannot believe, even momentarilly, that the BNP would welcome your support, on anything!

Further, the British middle-classes are increasingly of a mind, with the BNP ... and when the day comes, there will be NO room for your torturous, and bizarre anti-Christian allegiances!

19 December 2010 at 16:21  
Blogger Claire Khaw said...

Oswin, I will have you know that my Voice of Reason blog is featured at a website run by BNP members.

There are ways that Islam can be Anglicised so that its rituals and forms can be kept while its divisive and incoherent doctrine of the Trinity dumped.

I do not share your sentimental attachment to a religion that has so clearly failed society because it is now rotten with feminism and liberalism.

19 December 2010 at 17:01  
Anonymous len said...

Islam is a religion that offers no salvation, no means of redemption,no guarantee of salvation,

What exactly does Islam have to offer?

19 December 2010 at 17:48  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Clare Khaw

What lovely eyes you have.

I find your writing very sexy both here and on the BNP website.

An admirer

19 December 2010 at 19:48  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

Only "slightly" posher? They should sue. And how many other known National Front donors did the BBC allow on air at all, never mind on children's television?

The Freedom Association was openly funded by apartheid South Africa, as much as anything else about as anti-British ideologically as it is possible to imagine. Just as the sectarian Left that is now a key part of our Political Class should have been made to move to a Communist country in order to see how their views on drug legalisation and the abolition of the age of consent went down there, so this sectarian Right that is now a key part of our Political Class should have been made to move to South Africa or to Pinochet's Chile in order to see how their views on drug legalisation and the abolition of the age of consent went down there, either.

Neither of them ever was, which may be why their views have never changed, and have now very largely been given effect. Roll on electoral reform, and primaries for the candidates to be submitted to the voters under the reformed electoral system.

19 December 2010 at 21:50  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Claire Khaw @ 17.01

I'll have you know'' that if ever the BNP came to any sort of power, you'd be oot on yer lug toot sweet bonnie lass!

Study history for suitable counterparts to your circumstance; you're a gonna!

19 December 2010 at 22:26  
Anonymous He's Spartacus said...

I've done my bit, Your Grace, by retweeting your story and several from other blogs, and writing a strongly worded complaint to the BBC.

Neither Baddiel nor the self-proclaimed "comedian", Davies have shown their faces on Twitter since this story began to break.

One can hardly blame them, I suppose.

20 December 2010 at 05:49  
Anonymous He's Spartacus said...

Wrong, johnpaul.

The TFA (or the National Association for Freedom as it was then known) was not against democracy in South Africa, but against sanctions which, rightly or wrongly, it saw as counter-productive, and terrorism, which one hopes we all agree is wrong.

To tag McWhirter as a fascist is ignorant and lazy, and demonstrates a meek acceptance of the Fabian propaganda that has been the stock in trade of the BBC for decades, and for which it should be called out loudly and often.

Clare Khaw, if you believe the BNP, with its whole raft of statist, interventionist, authoritarian policies, will protect us from "totalitarian thoughtcrime legislation", I have a bridge you may want to buy.

I am, Your Grace, a patriot, middle class, white, a libertarian and proud.

20 December 2010 at 06:23  
Blogger Claire Khaw said...

Let us be clear about this, "Oswin" and "He's Spartacus": I do not expect there ever to be a BNP government. The most it can hope to do is put its policies on display so that eventually the ruling party will avail themselves of its more sensible ones, chief of which is to withdraw from the EU. is an interesting example of this phenomenon.

The other policies I approve of are

1. grammar schools

2. capital punishment

3. corporal punishment

4. government by referenda

5. the repeal of all totalitarain liberal THOUGHTCRIME anti-discrimination legislation (which I had naively imagined that all Libertarians would wish to repeal but which they are in fact either too scared or stupid to protest against)

While not having a racist bone in my body, I wish to make a principled stand for the right any group of people to exclude me (in the name of freedom of association) and the right of any group of people to discriminate against me (in the name of freedom of contract).

You will understand that I am in the course of establishing my reputation for being the first non-white Libertarian Nationalist (in the sense of supporting an ideology crafted to further the National Interest) who not only knows what the problems are, but the solutions too.

20 December 2010 at 07:37  
Blogger Caedmon's Cat said...

I remember the McWhirter twins from years ago; Ross was - if I remember correctly - assassinated by the IRA or some similar outfit from NI. He must have posed a terrible threat to them..

As for whether these gentlemen and the Freedom Association were fascists or not - well, if it comes from the BBC - and from some vacuous sleb, then it must be false, for precious little that is wholesome, fair or truthful is known to proceed from the halitosis-infected mouth of either the BBC or slebs, who delight to wallow in their formidable ignorance and employ it at every opportunity to platform their venal prejudices. Oops - I'm using ad hominem, aren't I? - Silly me. But I'm only a moggy..

20 December 2010 at 09:40  
Anonymous berserker-nkl said...

Len said that...

Islam is a religion that offers no salvation, no means of redemption,no guarantee of salvation,

What exactly does Islam have to offer?

Virgins, mate!

72 dark-eyed houris, exhausting what?

20 December 2010 at 10:26  
Blogger johnpaul said...

the freedom assoc was not against democracy in south africa, they must have secretly for it and just thoughtthat any one without a vote even peacefull ANC members were wrong to publicly want democracy

20 December 2010 at 10:32  
Blogger Claire Khaw said...

"berseker-nkl" has clearly not read the Koran and is therefore not in a position to comment.

Is he not aware that a Christian is not properly a Christian if he does not believe that Christ is God and that Mary is Mother of God?

Many Christians have terrible difficulty believing in this. In fact, I suspect that His Grace himself occasionally doubts the truth of this assertion.

The Koran denies the Trinity but accepts the virgin birth, perfectly illustrating what a political and pragmatic religion Islam is once you look at it more closely.

It would certainly assist in discouraging the drunkenness, depravity and promiscuity of the average 21st century Briton after so many decades of liberal extremism.

Indeed, it is the only ideology that would be radical enough to effect any sort of change at all.

If anyone will take the trouble to absorb the main principles of Secular Koranism I think they will like it.

The most important points to grasp about it are:

1. It is in fact secular.

2. Its principles are based on the Koran.

3. There is no requirement to convert to Islam.

4. There is no requirement to even believe in God.

20 December 2010 at 10:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh English Viking, I am fed up of telling people this, I live in London where the diversity mafia have spoon fed the masses to believe that old nelson mandella was a lovely man who was locked up for his skin colour, I remind them he was locked up for being a member of a terrorist organisation whom was involved in train bombings, he is stained in the blood of innocents, unlike martin luther king who was a man of peace. Thanks for pointing this out about mandella, it sickens me to see people especially these celebs falling over in worship when they meet him.

20 December 2010 at 11:13  
Blogger Caedmon's Cat said...

Madame Khaw --

Since you seem to be so authoritative in your knowledge of Christian theology, I'll have to bow to your superior knowledge and forsake the historical theologians like Augustine, Luther, Calvin et alia and beat a path to your door instead. I'll bring my pals along too - we'll have a party. Incidentally, where in Holy Writ (ie the Bible) does it tell us that Mary was the Mother of God? Does the fact that she gave birth to the Christ mean that she had/has some stake in the Godhead? Sounds like some 'theotokos' heresy from the Council of Chalcedon to me..

20 December 2010 at 12:32  
Blogger Little Black Sambo said...

"some 'theotokos' heresy from the Council of Chalcedon"
Since the term was accepted by the Council (of Ephesus) it is by definition orthodox and not heretical, whatever it sounds like to you.

20 December 2010 at 13:19  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Claire Khaw @ 0.7:37

If you stick to your last few paragraphs (5), and never mention 'Islam' ever again, in any shape or form, you just might make it through ...

20 December 2010 at 14:36  
Anonymous Edmund Berk said...

The comments by these luvvie cretins are steeped in the incoherence that is at the heart of liberal left rhetoric.

The Freedom Association is in fact opposite of BNP on every policy position, and yet they are both somehow 'right wing'.

In fact, TFA are a useful yardstick for pointing out the obvious - if TFA are of the right, then the BNP are very clearly of the left.

And so they are; nationalism or racism do not define right or left wing thought; they are present and absent on both sides.

However, the BNP, and nationalist forms of socialism generally, are very much part of the spectrum of socialist disorders; the BNP are left wing.

20 December 2010 at 14:53  
Anonymous He's Spartacus said...

Claire Khaw,

If you support capital punishment and the birch you are not a libertarian, and therefore, if you espouse the other values you mention, you are in the wrong party.

It may also surprise you to learn that you are far from being the first non-white libertarian nationalist, which in no way diminishes my respect for you for having adopted such a position.

Just go easy on the hanging and flogging and we're in business.

20 December 2010 at 15:03  
Anonymous len said...

Clair Khaw,
Where do you get your 'Christian 'Theology from?

Mary Mother of God???
What part of the Bible is that from?

The Koran takes its authority from the Torah and the Bible but denies the truth contained in either.

Surah 5:68 - Say: "O People of the Book! ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law (Torah), the Gospel (Injeel), and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord."

Surah 29:46 Muslims are told by Allah, not to question the authority of the scriptures of the Christians, saying, "And dispute ye not with the People of the Book, but say, "We believe in the revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you; Our Allah and your Allah is one;"(end of quote)

(Even the briefest glimpse of the Bible and the Koran will tell you that the Allah of Islam and the God of the Bible are not the same person!)

The scriptures bear witness that Christ is God!
(See below)
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20 December 2010 at 22:51  
Blogger Edward Spalton said...

Sent on behalf of MR RODNEY ATKINSON

As a long time collaborator and friend of the late Norris McWhirter I am appalled but not surprised at the vicious lies about a good democratic Briton by the cowardly fascist left, personified by David Baddiel.

Norris and Ross fought against fascism and national socialism both during and after the war - whereas the BBC was one of the leading appeasers of the 1930s. Ross McWhirter was murdered by the National Socialists of the IRA - Norris referred to the loss of his twin as feeling "like an amputation".

Despite this, when I wrote to the Guardian arguing against an early form of the European Arrest Warrant which sought to take the IRA's Roisin MacCaliskey for trial in Germany without due process of British law, Norris joined me in signing the letter in her defence.

Norris's final years were devoted to fighting the destruction of our country,parliament and democracy on the altar of that European Union to which leading fascists and national socialists after the second world war gave their unswerving support (see my cd "The Nazis and Fascists who founded the European Union)

I think we all know where the true fascists operate in Britain - and those media outlets who give them free rein. But they would not have dared to slander Norris if he had been alive. That is the measure of this cowardly little journalist!

Rodney Atkinson, Northumberland

21 December 2010 at 11:43  
Blogger Claire Khaw said...

I sat at the same time table as that Rodney Atkinson at a dinner once.

26 December 2010 at 13:48  
Blogger Claire Khaw said...

"(Even the briefest glimpse of the Bible and the Koran will tell you that the Allah of Islam and the God of the Bible are not the same person!)"

Len, if you asked a Muslim or a Jew whether the God that Christians worship is the same as the God that Muslims and Jews worship, what do you think they would say?

I suggest you try this and see what sort of answer you receive, to cure you of your ignorance.

26 December 2010 at 13:53  
Blogger Claire Khaw said...

"If you support capital punishment and the birch you are not a libertarian, and therefore, if you espouse the other values you mention, you are in the wrong party."

He's Spartacus:

I support lower taxes and fewer laws as long as it is in the national interest.

Unlike you, I am not an anarchist and do not propose returning to the law of the jungle where crime is not punished properly.

26 December 2010 at 13:56  
Blogger Claire Khaw said...

Edmund Berk:

The most sensible way forward is for the BNP and UKIP to merge and promise

1. to have a referendum on the EU

2. to have a referendum on whether to have a government that supports free market or socialist and/or protectionist policies after withdrawal.

I suppose this idea is just too obvious and commonsensical to be widely adopted or even understood amongst the Dad's Army activists who make up Eurosceptic movement.

Now what is the name of that Vicar in Dad's Army?

Does His Grace remember?

26 December 2010 at 14:00  
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28 December 2010 at 06:10  
Anonymous John Sullivan said...

That is exactly what the grotesquely inappropriately named Freedom Association were and are. They are not interested in the freedom of the individual from the tyranny of the corporatocracy or the freedom of individuals to engage in democratic trade unionism. They exist only the preserve the wealth of the narrowest section of society, the elite that parasitically feeds off the rest and they dress it up as some noble act of freedom fighting. Repulsive.

4 January 2011 at 12:18  

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