Friday, December 03, 2010

British foreign policy shifts 'to reflect Arab concerns on Middle East’

As the furore rages over FIFA’s decision to gift the 2018 World Cup to Russia, and that of 2022 to Qatar; as politicians debate whether they are children of Thatcher or sons of Brown; as the nation is enchanted by another Royal fairytale, a rather significant political development has been a little neglected by the YouTube-Blogspot-Twitter brand of politics.

It was announced a few weeks ago that British foreign policy is to shift significantly: the change is to ‘reflect Arab concerns on Middle East’.

It is William Hague's decision ‘to reach out to Gulf states in an effort to secure better diplomatic and trade ties meant Britain had to "take on board" Arab foreign policy goals’.

It goes without saying that a foreign policy which reflects Arab concerns and Arab goals cannot at the same time reflect Israeli concerns and goals.

Not least because the primary Arab foreign policy goal is to wipe Israel off the map.

The Israel lobby must be doing a pretty appalling job in the Foreign Office.

When William Hague called for a ‘durable resolution to the Gaza crisis’, he appeared not to realise that for the majority of Arab nations this means a one-state solution called Palestine with the inconsequential slaughter of the Jews: the ‘two-state’ compromise has been on offer for over a decade and has been consistently rejected by both the PLO and Hamas. They want one state with Jerusalem as their capital.

It might also be observed that there is not an awful lot of reciprocity from Arab countries, and they tend not to be overly tolerant of the Christian communities within their borders: indeed, their governments conveniently turn a blind eye to the appalling persecution and occasional wholesale slaughter endured by non-Muslims.

Yet the President of Israel might be an Arab.

How many Arab states permit a Jew or a Christian even to stand for parliament?

How many Arab states actually possess a parliament?

And yet, according to one British diplomat, ‘we have to respond to what Gulf States want’.

Do we?


Most of them practise and promote discrimination against particular religious or ethnic communities, yet there are no university debates or student protests given over to explore ‘the nature’ of these countries, and no demands by trades unions for boycotts or sanctions against them.

And no UN Resolution condemning them.

The United Kingdom declared the foundation of the the modern state of Israel in 1948. The 1917 Balfour Declaration said:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
It specifically referred to ‘the historical connections of the Jewish people with Palestine’ and to the moral validity of ‘reconstituting their National Home in that country’. The term ‘reconstituting’ evidences recognition of the fact that Palestine had been home to the Jews. Furthermore, the British were instructed to ‘use their best endeavors to facilitate’ Jewish immigration, to encourage settlement on the land and to ‘secure’ the Jewish National Home. The word ‘Arab’ does not appear in the Mandatory award at all.

Israel remains the only democracy in the region; the only free state; the solitary hope; the only light.

While bombs explode from within; missiles rain from without; her borders are breached by terrorists; her seas are besieged by enemy flotillas; and today the moon turns to red in a whirlwind of unprecedented forest fires.

Yet she is abandoned even by the nation which conceived her re-birth.

Have we really sold our soul for a few barrels of oil?

121 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

You really must grow out of this sixth form fantasy world naivety about conservative politics. Its entrenched in capitalist ethics based upon greed and consumption. Your persistence that it has anything to do with high morality is pure absurdity.

3 December 2010 at 10:11  
Blogger Weekend Yachtsman said...

"Have we really sold our soul for a few barrels of oil?"

Yes.

It's called either Realpolitik, or negotiating from a position of weakness, according to how brutally realistic you wish to be.

3 December 2010 at 10:17  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Anonymous @ 10.11, Good Morning, Sir Humphrey. Would your comments today reflect instructions from the Quai d'Orsay, or is it the Arab League? You may find the Israelis both socially non-u as well as annoyingly intelligent, but they are at least democrats with courts that follow English Common Law. The Israelis are therefore potential allies, which is more than can be said for the one bullet regimes of the Gulf, however generous their 'business gifts'. Surely the need to pay school fees should not have a bearing on British foreign policy.

3 December 2010 at 10:43  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

You wrote:

‘Yet she is abandoned even by the nation which conceived her re-birth’.

Send this message to our Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary: it is written that God says about Israel:

“And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."

Genesis 12:3

3 December 2010 at 11:12  
OpenID yokel said...

I have wondered over the years how it could possibly be that Israel, at the Valley of Megiddo (Armageddon), finds herself under attack from the whole world.

Its beginning to fall into place.

3 December 2010 at 11:44  
Blogger jdennis_99 said...

Your Grace,

I agree that we should be supportive of Israel as a democratic state, and one which we helped to create.

But this should not be to the total exclusion of our own principles.

Israel is not blameless in the Middle East crisis. Their continued efforts to displace Palestinians from the West Bank to settle Israeli nationals is unacceptable. And although several Arab nations have stated their intention to destroy Israel, Israel itself has, until recently, continually rejected the concept of a Palestinian State.

I support a free, self-determining, democratic Israel. But I also support a free, self-determining, democratic Palestine. The two need not be mutually exclusive, a fact which should be recognised by all parties.

3 December 2010 at 12:23  
Anonymous martin sewell said...

jdennis_99

If the Arab states had put 1/10 of the effort deployed in warfare into re-locating the displaced peoples throughout the Arab world, the Middle East would be a richer happier place.

The truth is, that for all the expressed concerns for the refugees, they love the grievance more than they desire to help.

3 December 2010 at 12:33  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

The Israelis do little to endear themselves to others, constantly referring to the holocaust as justification for their actions as though only the Jews have ever suffered. Many others have been victims of persecution. Would it not be better if Israel were to draw attention to the persecution of non-Muslims in Islamic states instead?

3 December 2010 at 12:39  
Blogger English Viking said...

@jdennis_99

We could put flowers in our hair, and skip, too.

Arafat was offered 97% of the land he demanded; he declined Israel's offer.

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000555.html

3 December 2010 at 13:37  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Your Grace, Britain’s domestic policy has also shifted to reflect Arab/Muslim concerns. When copies of the Qur’an are burned, in Gateshead and in Birmingham, the protestors are arrested. However, when Muslims burn a poppy on Remembrance Day while chanting ‘British soldiers burn in hell’, the police protect them and arrest one of the counter-demonstrators.

Just how far our freedom of speech has been eroded in deference to Muslim concerns can be judged from the case of an English Defence League supporter who, at an EDL protest, voiced his opinion of Allah. There were no Muslims close enough to hear but a police officer heard the remarks and arrested him. He was subsequently fined £200 for using words likely to cause ‘harassment, alarm or distress’. It would appear that our age-old formula—tolerating remarks that we find offensive as the price for our own freedom of speech—no longer applies, and we have multiculturalism and Islam to thank for it.

3 December 2010 at 14:01  
Anonymous John Thomas said...

The forces that rule Palestine (Hamas, with probably Iran in the background) will never ever accept anything that requires them to relinquish their only aim: the complete and permanent destruction of Israel, or any other Jewish state. People who claim otherwise ... either they are very naive (but probably nice, well-meaning Middle class people), or promoting deception, with an eye to helping along either Islamicisation, or the destruction of Western/Judeo-Christian civilisation (or both). Are their any other possibilities I've missed out? Well, maybe they just want to appease the Arabs for the commercial opportunities. I can't think of any more ...

3 December 2010 at 14:03  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

What a lot of partisan tosh Cranmer!

You have the audacity to quote from the Balfour Declaration, a document that plunged the Middle East into decades of conflict, as if it were the advocate of some benign and neutral foreign policy.

What is it about Christians and Jews? “Biblical Cousins” you may be but this uncritical sycophancy does you no credit. It is not just about realpolitik and oil but about fairness for the Palestinians. This is the problem with religion; all this God given nonsense is, and always will be a source of conflict until you all grow up and realise that it is all based myth and fallacy.

3 December 2010 at 15:25  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Nowt new to this, the F.O have been wedged-up some Arab orifice for donkey's years. The only difference being, that now the rest of the establishment are queuing-up to take their turn at brown-nosing too...following New-labour's 'this way >' sign...

3 December 2010 at 17:30  
Anonymous len said...

Who are the 'Palestinians'?

Are the Palestinians a separate and unique people, different from the other Arabs? When and why did the notion arise - of the Palestinians as a separate Arab people?

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.
But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

3 December 2010 at 18:49  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

GD 15:25

Are your politics to the left by any chance?

3 December 2010 at 21:04  
Anonymous Israel Africa Meretz said...

Send all of them (both the Arabs and the Jews) to the moon or mars... best place for them. Graham Davies is correct, but I am more blunt than he.

3 December 2010 at 22:31  
Anonymous Capstan Light said...

If the Wikileaks cables are anything to go by, these arab states will be trying to get us to bomb their arab 'brothers' for them. Hypocrites the lot of them.

My father spent much of his National Service in Palestine and spent just as much time being shot at by jews as by arabs. His view was that it was a complete shit hole and that they deserved each other. Since then of course, the state of Israel has flourished into an affluent, developed democracy which is something that would never has happened under arab rule. They have little oil or natural resources so current day Palestine would be a backward muslim state depending on tatty tourism and UN handouts. No wonder arab neighbors look at Israel with such envy.

Hague's foreign policy is one of appeasement. I wouldn't be surprised to see him grandstanding in North Korea if he thought it would make him look all nice and inclusive. Twerp.

4 December 2010 at 00:07  
Anonymous judith said...

Crumbs, Your Grace, you're either very brave or very bored to start up this subject again.

Writing as a non-Zionist Jewish Englishwoman, I'd be interested to know what my fellow commenters think would happen if the State of Israel were to disappear in some (hopefully non-nuclear) way?

Would there be peace and love and good health and education and economic prosperity and religious freedom across the Middle East, do you suppose?

4 December 2010 at 00:31  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

How long have the English been jewish?

4 December 2010 at 07:37  
Blogger Tony_E said...

@ Judith: No , they would just keep fighting amongst themselves until Doomsday!

The man fact here is that His Grace's article, though correct, is about 50 years too late. The FCO has always been an Arabist institution, at least in my lifetime.

4 December 2010 at 08:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems to me any justification for the 1948 declaration of independence by Israel has to be based on a Biblical mandate and the Abramic promise made 3000 years ago. What else could lie behind it? And, remember, ultimately this requires the construction of a third Temple in Israel.

The history of the rise of Zionism in the 19th century and support for the reestablishment of a Jewish state, is interesting - research it.

The Arab nations cannot and will never accept Israel. After USA, French, Israeli and British interference in Iran, Iraq and Suez following the war their resistance hardened. Their religion, a harsh and, in my opinion, a diabolic misrepresentation of God and the path to salvation, prevents this. Religon aside, the threat posed by a thriving liberal democacy in the middle east is too much for vested interests too.

So, bottom line,is the reestablishment of Israel a part of God's plan leading, as Christians think, to the conversion of Jews to Christianity, foreshadowing the 'Last Days'? Or, alternatively, to the rule of the long awaited and promised Jewish Messiah? Many think so. Or could it be the the foreshadowing of the Islamic Mahdi?

All a very complicated and messy cocktail of religion, economics, nationalism.

God help us all!

Mr.E.Man

4 December 2010 at 09:40  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

Maturecheese said...
GD 15:25

Are your politics to the left by any chance?

No

4 December 2010 at 10:22  
Anonymous Fran said...

Graham Davis

Forgive me if I am reading you incorrectly, but I assume that by 'fairness' for Palestinians you mean Arab and Jewish national states existing side by side.

On this assumption I'd suggest that if the Arabs had wanted 'Fairness' that could have been achieved (together with the first ever self-governing Arab state in the Holy Land) in 1937, any time between 1947-1967, 2000 and 2007.

Fairness means that Jews - indigenous to the region and with demonstrable historical connections to the Holy Land going back for at least 3,000 years - have every right to enjoy self determination on their ancient homeland along with Arabs.

It is not well enough known that half of Israel's Jewish population today are descended from Jews who either already lived in the Holy Land or from the 800,000 regional Jews forced from their homes by Arab pogroms in the 1930s, 40s and 50s.

Israel has shown time and again that she is prepared to cede land for peace. The latest withdrawal from Gaza has been a disaster for the region, demonstrating why Israel insists upon firm guarantees of (a) recognition and (b) non aggression from any Palestinian state.

There is nothing unfair about that.

4 December 2010 at 11:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Capstan Light

- er, the Iranians are not 'Arabs'- there're Persian. Please, please people try to develop a better understanding of the Islamic people. There are not homogenous, either as a race or in their politics or beliefs for that matter. Actually the Arabs are semetic brothers and sisters to Jews.

Fran

- umm, by your logic native indians and aboriginals should have seperate nation states too. It's well known the Jewish people left the Holy Land circa 70AD and were a minority there, up to and including the 1940's. And, following this logic, Eire and Irish Catholics most definitly have a stronger claim to the Ulster states than Britain even though Protestants were shipped in to bolster numbers.

Its a stretch of the imagination to lay claim to a land by arms where you've been in a minority for 2000 years, notwithstanding the Holocaust, the British mandate and UN resolutions!

The middle east 'nations' were an artificial carve-up following the withdrawal of various 'empires' after the collapse of the Ottoman empire and two world wars. Nomadic people became tied to national boundaries determined by Russia, the USA and Britain. An exception was made concerning the Palestinian people, who occupied the land for the intervening 2000 years, for some unknown reason. Similar tensions are fueling politics today in Turkey, the Balkans, the Caucuses and the Indian continent.

I really don't know the rights and wrongs of the unholy mess in the middle east today but it will not be resolved until or unless its roots are understood.

Mr E.Man

4 December 2010 at 13:45  
Anonymous len said...

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab nation . . . Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Eretz Yisrael with the express purpose of infuriating the Jews . . .

Nothing there [Jerusalem] to be seen but a little of the old walls which is yet remaining and all the rest is grass, moss and weeds. — English pilgrim in 1590
The country is in a considerable degree empty of inhabitants and therefore its greatest need is of a body of population — British consul in 1857
There is not a solitary village throughout its whole extent [valley of Jezreel] — not for 30 miles in either direction. . . . One may ride 10 miles hereabouts and not see 10 human beings.

For the sort of solitude to make one dreary, come to Galilee . . . Nazareth is forlorn . . . Jericho lies a moldering ruin . . . Bethlehem and Bethany, in their poverty and humiliation . . . untenanted by any living creature . . . .

A desolate country whose soil is rich enough, but is given over wholly to weeds . . a silent, mournful expanse . . . a desolation . . . . We never saw a human being on the whole route . . . . Hardly a tree or shrub anywhere. Even the olive tree and the cactus, those fast friends of a worthless soil, had almost deserted the country . . . .

Palestine sits in sackcloth and ashes . . . desolate and unlovely . . . . — Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad, 1867

....................
It was not until the Jews recovered their homeland and made the land fertile and became prosperous that Arabs suddenly became 'Palestinians' and demanded that Palestine was theirs!

4 December 2010 at 16:36  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Len .... spot-on!

4 December 2010 at 17:44  
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5 December 2010 at 07:03  
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5 December 2010 at 07:24  
Anonymous AtillaTheHun said...

Oswiecim and Oswin, what an odd match made in heaven!

5 December 2010 at 07:28  
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5 December 2010 at 08:05  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

His Grace is becoming weary of off-topic or gratuitously offensive posts. He refers his communicants to his 'Bottom Line' in the right-hand column.

5 December 2010 at 08:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

len,
Something to help you out.
http://www.iamthewitness.com/books/Israel.Shahak/Jewish.History.Jewish%20Religion-The.Weight.of.Three.Thousand.Years.pdf


bluedog,
Something about the Nobel.
http://orgtheory.wordpress.com/2010/10/17/whos-getting-screwed-on-the-nobel-thing-cognitive-science/

5 December 2010 at 09:58  
Blogger srizals said...

"While Moslems do not consider Jesus ­ God, they proclaim him as the Messiah, the Anointed one, the Paradise Dweller. This religious idea, familiar to Nestorians and other early churches, but rejected by mainstream Christianity, opened the gates for those Jews, who could not part with the notion of strict monotheism. That is why many Palestinian Jews and Christians of the 7th century accepted Islam and became Palestinian Moslems. They remained in their villages, they did not depart for Poland or England, they did not learn Yiddish, they did not study the Talmud, but they continued to shepherd their flocks and plant almond trees, they remained faithful to their land and to the great idea of the fraternity of men.

In the south of Hebron, in the ruins of Susiah, one can see how in the course of two centuries a synagogue slowly evolved into a mosque, as the population of nearby caves abandoned the exclusionary faith of Babylonian wizards and adopted Islam. These shepherds still live there, in the same caves. In the last year, the Israeli army has twice tried to expel them to provide more room for new settlers from Brooklyn."

By Israel Shamir, an Israeli writer and journalist.

http://www.themodernreligion.com/jihad/galilee.html

Len, they never left before Deir Yassin 1948.

5 December 2010 at 12:07  
Blogger srizals said...

The archives of the mainstream Zionist resistance group, Haganah, contain the names of 40 Jews killed by Menachem Begin's Irgun and Lehi. Yitzhak Shamir's personal assassination of a Lehi associate is a famous incident. The official Irgun history, while recalling with admiration many acts of terror against Arab civilians, also cites the murder of a Jewish member who, it was feared, would give information to the police if captured. Suspected collaborators were a particular target. The Haganah Special Actions Squads carried out "punitive actions" against Jewish informers. A Haganah prison in Haifa contained a torture chamber for interrogation of Jews suspected of collaboration with the British. In a 1988 interview, Dov Tsisis describes his work as a Haganah enforcer, "following orders, like the Nazis," to "eliminate" Jews interfering with the national struggle, "particularly informers."

International Terrorism: Image and Reality
Noam Chomsky

http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199112--02.htm

In case you're accusing me of citing biased sources.

5 December 2010 at 12:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Srizals said

You state Islam agrees that Jesus was the Messiah, The Anointed One?? What deceptive words you use!

Islam does NOT recognise Jesus as Messiah (The Old and New testament definition states only God can save and Messiah was God!) at all..Only as a great prophet.
Yet Mohammed claimed HE was the Messiah but was rejected by the Jews at Medina because he did not meet any of the necessary criteria, most importantly HE WAS NOT DESCENDED FROM DAVID!!!!!
Some prophet?

Also who are these Jews and Christians who accepted Islam and became (I laughed so loud) Palestinian Moslems?

Are these Jews like the Banu-Kuraiza Jews Mohammed had slain because they aided his enemies Abu Sufyan and the Quraish and would not accept him as a Prophet and revealer of a new revelation from God, then forced them to surrender with the choice to convert to Islam or die..They chose the latter fate!

Their 600 fighting men were slain and buried in the marketplace of medina with women and children sold into slavery.

I have read your blogs here and they are as twisted and deceitful as (a deluded, emotional rant and claimimg things HE believes Moslems believe about Jesus Christ which you happily refer people to, knowing these are not true as a true representation in your Quaran or Hadith about Jesus Christ so not based in fact) of the Israeli writer you have linked to.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 at 00:58  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Atilla the Hun @ 07.28

Have I missed something? You are associating me in some way with Auschwitz???

6 December 2010 at 01:04  
Anonymous len said...

Srizals,

Jesus Christ is either who he claimed to be(God)or He is not.
Muslims cannot say Jesus is a 'good'man or just a prophet because He claimed to be God so either He was a liar, a madman, or He was who He claimed to be ...God."When Jesus said 'I and the Father are one' didn't He just mean they are of one accord, they are merely like-minded?"

Considering the overall content of the Bible, this cannot be:

The Greek word he used, heis, is the word for the number one. It is a reference to the Shema, the core tenet of Judaism, "Sh'ma, Yisrael, Adonai Eloheynu Adonai echad," which, using Christian terminology is, "Hear, O Israel, Jehovah is our God. Jehovah is one."

Who do you Srizals say Jesus Christ is?

(www.godonthe.net/evidence/said_god.htm)

6 December 2010 at 01:39  
Blogger srizals said...

Hi Len, thank you for your response. Could I have the verses of the bible that you said as Jesus claiming he's god? Please include them all.

6 December 2010 at 01:45  
Blogger srizals said...

Another Jewish account in the time of the Prophet.

"I returned home and introduced Islam to my wife, my children and the rest of my household. They all accepted Islam including my aunt Khalidah who was then an old lady. However, I advised them then to conceal our acceptance of Islam from the Jews until I gave them permission. They agreed.

Subsequently, I went back to the Prophet (peace be upon him), and said: “O Messenger of God! The Jews are a people (inclined to) slander and falsehood. I want you to invite their most prominent men to meet you. (During the meeting however), you should keep me concealed from them in one of your rooms. Ask them then about my status among them before they find out of my acceptance of Islam. Then invite them to Islam. If they were to know that I have become a Muslim, they would denounce me and accuse me of everything base and slander me.”

The Prophet kept me in one of his rooms and invited the prominent Jewish personalities to visit him. He introduced Islam to them and urged them to have faith in God.

They began to dispute and argue with him about the Truth. When he realized that they were not inclined to accept Islam, he put the question to them:

“What is the status of Al-Husayn ibn Salam among you?”

“He is our sayyid (leader) and the son of our sayyid. He is our rabbi and our alim (scholar), the son of our rabbi and alim.”

“If you come to know that he has accepted Islam, would you accept Islam also?” asked the Prophet.

“God forbid! He would not accept Islam. May God protect him from accepting Islam,” they said, horrified.

At this point I came out in full view of them and announced: “O assembly of Jews! Be conscious of God and accept what Muhammad has brought. By God, you certainly know that he is the Messenger of God and you can find prophecies about him and mention of his name and characteristics in your Torah. I for my part declare that he is the Messenger of God. I have faith in him and believe that he is true. I know him.”

“You are a liar,” they shouted. “By God, you are evil and ignorant, the son of an evil and ignorant person.” And they continued to heap every conceivable abuse on me.

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/1692/

6 December 2010 at 02:22  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Srizals said.
As Len may have gone beddie byes its my Pleasure

Matthew 1:21
“Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
Psalm 110:1
The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Jeremiah 23:5-6
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 43:10-11
“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.”
Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
2 Peter 1:1
1 Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ,
To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:
Isaiah 44:24
24 Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, And He who formed you from the womb:
I am the LORD, who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;
uke 5:21
And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
John 1:3
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
Colossians 1:15
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Colossians 1:16
For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
Colossians 2:9
For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily;


So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 at 03:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Srizals said.
Again because Len may have gone beddie byes its my Pleasure

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 5:17-18
But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 5:23
that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
John 10:30-33
I and My Father are one.”
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
John 13:13
You call Me Teacher and Lord; and ye say well; for so I Am.
John 14:6-7
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
John 14:9-11
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Acts 4:12
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Acts 20:28
Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God[a] which He purchased with His own blood.
Philippians 2:5-7
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
1st Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God[a] was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,Received up in glory.
2 Timothy 4:1
I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 at 03:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Srizals said.
Finally because Len must have gone beddie byes its my Pleasure


Titus 2:13
looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Hebrews 1:8-9
But to the Son He says:“ Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
Revelation 1:8
“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,”says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.
Romans Chapters 3:21-26
But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[h] who believe. For there is no difference; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.
Romans 5:8-11
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.
Romans 5:21
so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.


May this lead you out of darkness and into the light by the ONLY NAME THAT MEN MUST BE SAVED BY.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 at 03:19  
Blogger srizals said...

"Historians also relate that the Jews came to Madinah because their sacred books mention it as the place where the last messenger from God was to establish his state."

And who establish his state in Madinah to this very day?

"Every time the Arabs of Madinah clashed with the Jews, the latter would say: "It will not be long before a new messenger shall be sent by God. We shall follow him and will kill you all in the same way as the peoples of Ad and Iram were killed." The six Khazrajis did not hesitate to accept what the Prophet said. They were Asad ibn Zurarah, Awf ibn al-Harith, Rafi ibn Malik, Qutbah ibn Amir ibn Hadidah, Uqbah ibn Amir ibn Zayd and Jabir ibn Abdullah ibn Riab."

http://www.whymuhammad.com/fr/contents.aspx?aid=4946

"As a fellow monotheist, Mohammed looked to the Jews as his natural allies; and he no doubt hoped they would accept him as their long-awaited Messiah. Some Jews did so at once and I quote an Arab historian's account of the first Jewish convert to Islam.

Many other Jews converted to Islam later and I am obliged to Naim Dangoor for his account of the Jewish ruler of Afghanistan visiting Mohammed at the peak of his power and accepting Islam.

The leading Afghan tribes, you may remember, still claim with pride to be descended from King Saul of the tribe of Benjamin - as again confirmed by Naim Dangoor's account of the meeting of Eliezer Kedourie and King of Afghanistan in 1925, and also by official guidebooks of the country."

http://www.dangoor.com/71page33.html

6 December 2010 at 03:24  
Blogger srizals said...

KINGOFHIGHCS,

Did Jesus said those things or someone reported to be said by him?

I didn't catch any phrases as, said Jesus to who and who.

Please be specific. Who said those things?

6 December 2010 at 03:33  
Blogger srizals said...

Some examples in the Koran, again your grace, with your kind permission.

The Story

[28:30]
So when he came to it, he was called by a voice coming from a side of the right valley in the blessed ground, from the tree, saying, “O Mūsā, I AM ALLAH, the Lord of the worlds,”

The Family of 'Imrân

[3:18]
Allah bears witness that there is no god but He - and (so do) the angels and the men of knowledge - being the One who maintains equity. There is no god but He, the Mighty, the Wise.

[3:19]
Truly, the (recognized) religion in the sight of Allah is Islām . Those who have been given the Book did not differ (among themselves) until after the knowledge had come to them, (and all this) due to envy against each other. Whoever denies the verses of Allah, then, Allah is swift at reckoning.

In order something to be comprehend, the message must be clear and not in parables. It must be easily understood to avoid misinterpretations and manipulations.

6 December 2010 at 03:58  
Anonymous TheObserver said...

Anon 00:58

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/jewish-mythson-islam/muhammad_900_jews_notkilled.htm

Something to help you out.

6 December 2010 at 06:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Srizals said.

Response Part 1

Firstly read them and you will see Jesus's declaration of himself before men as he walked the earth during his ministry and scriptures confirming by the Holy Prophets (who incidentally your Surah confirms as such in its early pages!) of who Messiah was and must be ie, Son of Man and Son Of God!

The Qu'ran states in Early parts that
Surah 3:48
3:48 And He will teach him the Scripture and wisdom, and the Torah and the Gospel
Surah 5:44
[5:44] We have sent down the Torah, containing guidance and light. Ruling in accordance with it were the Jewish prophets, as well as the rabbis and the priests, as dictated to them in GOD's scripture, and as witnessed by them.
Surah 5:46-47
[5:46] Subsequent to them, we sent Jesus, the son of Mary, confirming the previous scripture, the Torah. We gave him the Gospel, containing guidance and light, and confirming the previous scriptures, the Torah, and augmenting its guidance and light, and to enlighten the righteous.

[5:47] The people of the Gospel shall rule in accordance with GOD's revelations therein. Those who do not rule in accordance with GOD's revelations are the wicked.
Surah 5:48
Then we revealed to you this scripture, truthfully, confirming previous scriptures, and superseding them. You shall rule among them in accordance with GOD's revelations, and do not follow their wishes if they differ from the truth that came to you. For each of you, we have decreed laws and different rites. Had GOD willed, He could have made you one congregation. But He thus puts you to the test through the revelations He has given each of you. You shall compete in righteousness. To GOD is your final destiny - all of you - then He will inform you of everything you had disputed.
Surah 40:53
40:53 And We verily gave Moses the guidance, and We caused the Children of Israel to inherit the Scripture.

Muslims supposedly accept the Torah, Psalms and Four gospels yet this is the declaration of Christians that all these passages and other parts of Scripture reveal Prophecy of Jesus and his Messiahship (which Mohammed later rejected to avoid the obvious conflict between the Bible and Moslems as the Qu'ran contradicts itself and not only the Old and New Testament)Which the qu'ran states were perverted(by whom?) and were replaced by the new revelation recorded in the Qu'ran!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 at 12:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Srizals said.

Response Part 2

Allah is not YHWH as he is the Moon God of the Kaaba, an idol god amongst many chosen by Mohammed because he was the chief god of his tribe....Historical Fact!

The Old and New Testament call YHWH 'The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or The God of Israel' NEVER the God of Ishmael or Esau or any of Abraham's illegitimate sons including Zimran, Jokshan, Medan, Midian, Ishbak and Shuah.

You are not of the Abrahamic Covenant (through Ishmael) and neither are Christians as we are not of Racial descent of the promise of the Land nor of King David but our Faith and righteous is accorded to us through the same belief as Abraham revealed by YHWH in The Redeemer Jesus Christ (the one true sacrifice for sin). As Moslems believe they are racially descendent from Ishmael yet No scripture in the Old or New Testament states this to be the case what is your assumption made on?
Not so, then consider this

[5:20] Recall that Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember GOD's blessings upon you: He appointed prophets from among you, made you kings, and granted you what He never granted any other people.

God Gives the Holy Land to Israel
Surah 5:20-21
[5:20] Recall that Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember GOD's blessings upon you: He appointed prophets from among you, made you kings, and granted you what He never granted any other people.
[5:21] "O my people, enter the holy land that GOD has decreed for you, and do not rebel, lest you become losers."

Were not Moses 'people' The Children of Israel not Children of Ishmael?
Were there not Egyptians,Persians Akkadians,Babylonians, Assyrians, Hittites,Sumerians etc who lived before, during and after Abraham?
What tragedy happened to them , these millions of people who were not descendent of Abraham.
Where are they or where did they go?

It is not my job to read them for you but for you to do so and come to the correct conclusion..Agreed?

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 at 12:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Srizals said 6 December 2010 01:45

Did you need more?


John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 5:17-18
But Jesus answered them, “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.”
Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
John 5:23
that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
John 8:24
Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.”
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”
John 10:30-33
I and My Father are one.”
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”
John 10:36
what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?
John 13:13
You call Me Teacher and Lord; and ye say well; for so I Am.
John 14:6-7
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 at 12:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Srizals said 6 December 2010 01:45

What..EVEN MORE?

John 14:9-11
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
Acts 4:12
Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Acts 20:28
Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God[a] which He purchased with His own blood.
Philippians 2:5-7
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
1st Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God[a] was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,Received up in glory.
2 Timothy 4:1
I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:


Or are the Prophets and Apostles who spoke Prophecy and performed Miracles not to be believed whereas your faith shows no Prophecy or miracles that were viewed by Unbelievers and testified as true???

Psalm 119:89
'LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven'.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 at 12:39  
Anonymous srizals said...

Len, about your claim that Islam followed pagan rituals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_God

Interestingly the pagan rituals that you have said followed by Muslims were vanquished by Muslims themselves. That the pagan Arabs were corrected of their mistake of worshipping false gods never been decreed by Allah Himself was never brought up. Yes, the pagans went astray after hundred years past by since the time of Prophet Abraham and his first born son, Prophet Ismail. That is why Muhammad, a man one of their own was sent to purify them. Correcting them and leading them to the right way to God. All the idols were destroyed in and around Kaabah when Muslims entered the city. If they are said to be blood thirsty, they could have waged war previously if not for the Hudaibiya treaty which showed historically the true nature of Muslims, since then until now. They prefer peace instead of war. The fact that they were surrounded by enemies mightier and wealthier than them has been distorted to show Muslims are maligned creatures. The fact that they were considered slaves by two super powers at that time never got any mention. The fact that the pagans had tortured, confiscated their belongings and oppressed them inhumanely was not known. Threaten with annihilation, strangely today Christians, some, are questioning why Muhammad and Muslims had to fight. Maybe if the Muslims perished at that time, this issue won’t be brought up and it would be cleared by a mighty pagan emperor in some arranged council for the sake of men, sorry, God.

The ones that said Allah was a moon god or He had daughters were pagans, mislead by their own whims. The Prophet corrected them and saved them. Islam is continuum since Adam a.s. remains the fact denied by many. The corruptions was corrected.

Strangely, the pagans' likeliness to use the term son of god still exists in a faith I'm not entitled to disclose here. Why Len?

8 December 2010 at 03:58  
Anonymous srizals said...

Matt. 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord," will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."

Someone in the bible didn't think so Mr. KNIGHTOFHIGHCS

John 4:19
"Sir," the woman said, "I can see that you are a prophet."

Matt. 22:37
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." This is the first and greatest commandment."

Why didn't he just said love me your god or the son of god?

THE Bible teaching that God is one is called monotheism. And L. L. Paine, professor of ecclesiastical history, indicates that monotheism in its purest form does not allow for a Trinity: "The Old Testament is strictly monotheistic. God is a single personal being. The idea that a trinity is to be found there . . . is utterly without foundation."

8 December 2010 at 04:11  
Anonymous srizals said...

Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS,
If not for the council of Nicaea and the fact there are so many writers of the bible, and I don't recall any of them as the companions of Jesus, I would have accept evertyhing in the Bible as genuine. Christianity developed in a secretive and exclusive manner just like Judaism. Not everyone can recite and know and memorise those holy books. That is how they got corrupted. Not everyone knew about them. Those who dared were considered heretics, burnt and destroyed like the Ebionites and Cathars, to name a few. Not to mention that more Chritians went instinct under Roman's presecution before and after the council.

For instance, how many verses you can read precisely without looking at the bible? Do you dare to ask any common Muslim? The first verse is recited daily in their 5 times a day prayer. How could anyone corrupted and changed them?

8 December 2010 at 04:30  
Anonymous srizals said...

Is this the proof of a Judaeo-Christian heritage Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS?

John 10:30-33
I and My Father are one.”
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

8 December 2010 at 04:48  
Anonymous srizals said...

Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may also glorify you…. This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.” — John 17:1,3

Was Jesus praying to himself or a part of separate entity of himself?
Or should we say something has been tampered with?

The definition of son and father in the bible is also controversial as it is translated from different languages.

8 December 2010 at 04:57  
Anonymous srizals said...

With your kind permission your grace,
Kingofhighcs, allow me to finish what you have quoted incompletely.

[3:45]
(Remember the time) when the angels said: “O Maryam, Allah gives you the good news of a Word from Him whose name is MasīH ‘Īsā , the son of Maryam (the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary) a man of status in this world and in the Hereafter, and one of those who are near (to Allah).

[3:46]
He shall speak to people while (he is still) in the cradle, and also later, when he is of mature age; and he shall be one of the righteous.”

[3:47]
She said: “O my Lord, how shall I have a son while no human has ever touched me?” Said He: “That is how Allah creates what He wills. When He decides a matter, He simply says to it ‘Be’, and it comes to be.

[3:48]
He shall teach him the Book and the Wisdom, and the Torah and the Injīl,

[3:49]
and (shall make him) a messenger to the Children of Isrā’īl (who will say to them): “I have come to you with a sign from your Lord, that is, I create for you from clay something in the shape of a bird, then I blow in it, and it becomes a living bird by the will of Allah; and I cure the born-blind and the leper, and I cause the dead to become alive by the will of Allah; and I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your homes. In this there is surely a sign for you, if you are (truly) believers.

[3:50]
(I have come to you) confirming that (book) which is (sent down) prior to me, that is, the Torah, and to make permissible for you some of what was prohibited to you. I have come to you with a sign from your Lord. So, fear Allah and obey me.

[3:51]
Allah is surely my Lord and your Lord. So, worship Him. This is the straight path.”

[3:52]
So, when ‘Īsā sensed disbelief in them, he said: “Who are my helpers in the way of Allah?” The disciples said: “We are helpers of Allah. We believe in Allah; so be our witness that we are Muslims.”

[3:53]
“Our Lord, we have believed in what You have revealed, and we have followed the messenger. So, record us with those who bear witness (to the Truth).”

[3:54]
They (the opponents of ‘Īsā) devised a plan, and Allah devised a plan. And Allah is the best of all planners.

[3:55]
When Allah said: “O ‘Īsā , I am to take you in full and to raise you towards Myself, and to cleanse you of those who disbelieve, and to place those who follow you above those who disbelieve up to the Day of Doom. Then to Me is your return, whereupon I shall judge between you in that over which you have differed.

[3:56]
As for those who disbelieve, I shall punish them a severe punishment in this world and in the Hereafter; and for them there are no helpers.”

[3:57]
As for those who believe and do good deeds, He (Allah) will give them their rewards in full. Allah does not like transgressors.

[3:58]
This We recite to you of the Verses and the Message that is full of wisdom.

[3:59]
Surely, the case of ‘Īsā , in the sight of Allah, is like the case of ’Edam . He created him from dust, then He said to him, “Be”, and he came to be.

[3:60]
The truth is from your Lord. So, do not be of those who doubt.

[3:61]
If someone argues with you (O Prophet) over this after the knowledge that has come to you, say (to him), “Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves, then (let us) pray and invoke the curse of Allah upon the liars.”

[3:62]
This is, indeed, the true narration. There exists no god but Allah. Allah is surely the Almighty, the All-Wise.

[3:63]
So, should they turn back, Allah is fully aware of the mischievous people.

[3:64]
Say, “O people of the Book, come to a word common between us and between you, that we worship none but Allah, that we associate nothing with Him and that some of us do not take others as Lords instead of Allah.” Then, should they turn back, say, “Bear witness that we are Muslims.”

[3:65]
O people of the Book, why do you argue about Ibrāhīm, while the Torah and the Injīl were not revealed until after him? Have you, then, no sense?

8 December 2010 at 05:09  
Anonymous srizals said...

Another context from your quotes of the Koran. Pardon me your grace.

[5:12]
Allah has made the Children of Israel take a pledge. We appointed twelve chiefs from among them. Allah said, “I am surely with you. If you establish Salāh, and pay Zakāh, and believe in My Messengers, and hold them in reverence, and advance to Allah a goodly loan, I shall certainly write off your evil deeds, and I shall certainly admit you into Gardens beneath which rivers flow. So, whoever from you disbelieves after that has lost the straight path.”

[5:13]
So, because they broke their pledge, We cursed them and made their hearts hardened. They change words from their places, and they have overlooked a good deal of the Advice they were given. Every now and then you come across a certain treachery from all of them, except a few. So, forgive them and forego. Indeed, Allah loves those who are good in deeds.

[5:14]
And from those who say, “We are Christians,” We took a pledge. So, they have overlooked a good deal of the Advice they were given. So, We had them stuck with enmity and malice among them right through the Day of Doom, and (then) Allah will tell them what they were doing.

[5:15]
O people of the Book, there has come to you Our Messenger disclosing to you much of what you have been concealing of the Book, while He overlooks much. There has come to you, from Allah, a Light and a clear Book;

[5:16]
with it Allah guides those who follow His pleasure to the pathways of peace, and brings them out, by His will, from the depths of darkness into the light, and guides them to a straight path.

[5:17]
Certainly, infidels are those who say, “God is the MasīH, son of Maryam (Jesus son of Mary).” Say, “Who then has the power to do anything against Allah, if He wills to eliminate the MasīH son of Maryam and his mother and all those on earth?” Unto Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what lies between them. He creates what He wills. Allah is powerful over everything.

[5:18]
The Jews and the Christians say, “We are the sons of Allah and His favourites.” Say, “Why then would He punish you for your sins? In fact, you are just human, among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills and punishes whom He wills.” Unto Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what lies between them, and unto Him is the return.

8 December 2010 at 05:21  
Anonymous srizals said...

[5:19]
O people of the Book, Our Messenger has come to you making things clear to you after a gap between Messengers, lest you were to say, “There has not come to us a bearer of good news, and a warner.” So, now there has come to you a bearer of good news, and a warner. Allah is powerful over everything.

[5:20]
(Recall) when Mūsā said to his people, “O my people, remember the blessing of Allah upon you when He made prophets from among you, made you kings and gave you what He did not give to anyone in the worlds.

[5:21]
O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has destined for you, and do not turn back, lest you should turn losers.”

[5:22]
They said, “O Mūsā, there is a nation of tyrants over there, and we shall never enter it until they get out of it. If they do get out of it, we are ready to go in.”

[5:23]
Said two men from among the God-fearing, on whom Allah had bestowed His favour, “Enter the gate (charging) upon them. Once you have entered it, you will be the ones who will prevail. In Allah you must place your trust, if you are believers.”

[5:24]
They said, “O Mūsā, we shall never enter it, in any case, so long as they are there. So go, you and your Lord, and fight. As for us, we are sitting right here.”

[5:25]
He said, “O my Lord, I have no control except over myself and my brother. So, make a distinction between us and the sinning people.”

[5:26]
He (Allah) said, “This (land) is prohibited to them for forty years. They shall be wandering around the earth. So, do not grieve for the sinning people.”

8 December 2010 at 05:24  
Anonymous srizals said...

[40:34]
And Yūsuf had already come to you earlier with clear signs, but you remained in suspicion about what he brought to you - until when he died, you said, ‘Allah will never send a messenger after him.’ That is how Allah lets go astray anyone who crosses limits and lives in doubt, -

[40:35]
those who quarrel in Allah’s verses without any authority having reached them. It is terribly hateful with Allah and with those who believe. That is how Allah stamps a seal on the entire heart of an arrogant tyrant.”

[40:36]
And Fir‘aun (Pharaoh) said, “O Hāmān, make a tower for me, perhaps I could reach the ways -

[40:37]
the ways to the heavens, and peek towards the God of Mūsā. And indeed I deem him a liar.” That is how his evil deeds were made attractive to Fir‘aun, and (how) he was held back from the way. The evil design of Fir‘aun was (to end) in nothing but ruin.

[40:38]
And said he who had believed, “O my people, follow me, I will show you the path of guidance.

[40:39]
O my people, this life of the world is only a (momentary) benefit, while the Hereafter is, indeed, the place of permanent living.

[40:40]
The one who does something evil will not be punished but in its equal proportion, but the one who does a righteous deed, be he male or female, while he is a believer, then, such people will enter the Jannah (Paradise) where they will be provided with bounties beyond reckoning.

[40:41]
And O my people, what is wrong with me that I call you to salvation and you call me to the Fire?

[40:42]
You invite me to reject my belief in Allah and ascribe to Him partners about whom I have no knowledge, while I invite you to (Him who is) the Mighty, the Most-Forgiving.

[40:43]
It is obvious that those (gods) to whom you are inviting me are not worth calling, neither in this world nor in the world to come, and that we have to return back to Allah, and that the transgressors are indeed the people of the Fire.

[40:44]
Soon you will remember what I am saying to you. And I entrust my matter with Allah. Surely, Allah has all (His) servants in sight.”

[40:45]
Then Allah saved him from the evils of what they designed, and the House of Pharaoh was encircled by an evil punishment.

[40:46]
It is the Fire before which they are presented morning and evening. And on the day when the Hour (of final judgment) will take place, (the order will be released,): “Admit the family of Pharaoh into the most severe punishment.”

[40:47]
And (worth remembering is the time) when they (the infidels) will argue with each other in the Fire. So, the weak will say to those who were arrogant, “Surely, we used to be your followers, would you, then, stand for us in (suffering at least a) part of the (punishment of) Fire?”

8 December 2010 at 06:10  
Anonymous srizals said...

[40:48]
Those who were arrogant will say, “We all are in it. Allah has already passed the judgment between (His) servants.

[40:49]
And those in the Fire will say to the keepers of Jahannam (Hell), “Pray to your Lord to lighten the punishment for us some day.”

[40:50]
They will say, “Had your messengers not been coming to you with open signs?” They will say, “Of course, (they had come).” They (the keepers) will say, “Then, keep praying” - but praying of disbelievers (in the Hereafter) is only in vain.

[40:51]
Surely, We do help Our messengers and the believers, in the worldly life, as well as (we will help them) on the day in which witnesses will stand (to give their testimony)-

[40:52]
a day when apology of the unjust will bring them no benefit, and on them shall be the curse, and for them will be the evil abode.

[40:53]
We gave Guidance to Mūsā, while We made the children of Isrā’īl inherit the Book -

[40:54]
as a guide and advice for people of understanding.

[40:55]
So, be patient - surely the promise of Allah is true - and seek forgiveness for your sins, and proclaim the purity and praise of your Lord in the afternoon and at dawn.

[40:56]
Surely, those who quarrel in Allah’s verses without any authority having reached them, there is nothing in their hearts but pride of greatness that they are not (able) to reach. So, seek refuge with Allah. Surely, He is the All-Hearing, the All-Seeing.

[40:57]
Certainly, the creation of the heavens and the earth is greater than the creation of human beings, but most human beings do not know.

[40:58]
The blind one and the sighted one are not equal, and those who believed and did good deeds and the evil ones are not (equal) either. Little you heed to the advice!

[40:59]
Certainly, the Hour is bound to come. There is no doubt in it, but most of the people do not believe.

[40:60]
Your Lord has said, “Call Me, I will respond to you. Definitely those who show arrogance against worshipping Me shall enter Jahannam (Hell) with disgrace.

[40:61]
Allah is the One who made for you the night, so that you may have rest in it, and the day to let you see. Surely, Allah is most kind to people, but most of the people do not offer gratitude.

[40:62]
This is Allah, your Lord, the Creator of everything. There is no god but He. Then, from where are you being reversed (by your selfish desires)?

8 December 2010 at 06:14  
Anonymous srizals said...

Mr. Kingofhighcs, regarding the quotation 5:46 to 48, again your grace, beg your pardon,

[5:44]
Surely We revealed the Torah, wherein is guidance, and light by which the prophets, who had submitted, judged for those of Jewry, as did the rabbis, and the priests, according to that which they were bidden to observe of God's Scripture and were witnesses to. So do not fear men, but fear Me, and do not sell My signs for a small price. Whoever does not judge according to what God has revealed - such are the disbelievers.

[5:45]
And therein We prescribed for them that a life for a life, and an eye for an eye, and a nose for a nose, and an ear for an ear, and a tooth for a tooth; and for wounds retaliation; but whoever forgoes it out of charity, then that shall be an expiation for him. Whoever does not judges according to what God has revealed, those are the evildoers.

[5:46]
And We caused Jesus son of Mary to follow in their footsteps, confirming the Torah before him; and We gave to him the Gospel, wherein is guidance and light, confirming the Torah before it, and as a guidance and an admonition to the God-fearing.

[5:47]
So let the People of the Gospel judge according to what God has revealed therein. Whoever does not judge according to what God has revealed - those are the wicked.

[5:48]
And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth confirming the Book that was before it and watching over it. So judge between them, according to what God has revealed, and do not follow their whims away from the truth that has come to you. To every one of you, We have appointed a divine law and a way. If God had willed, He would have made you one community, but that He may try you in what He has given to you. So vie with one another in good works; to God you shall all return, and He will then inform you of that in which you differed.

9 December 2010 at 00:39  
Anonymous srizals said...

[5:49]
And judge between them according to what God has revealed, and do not follow their whims, and beware of them lest they seduce you from part of what God has revealed to you. But if they turn away, then know that God desires to smite them for some of their sins; surely, many of mankind are wicked.

[5:50]
Do they desire the judgement of paganism. Yet who is better in judgement than God for a people knowing with certainty?

[5:51]
O you who believe, do not take Jews and Christians as patrons; they are patrons of each other. Whoever amongst you affiliates with them, he is one of them. God does not guide the folk who do wrong.

[5:52]
And you see those in whose hearts is sickness, vying with one another for them, saying: 'We fear lest we suffer a turn of fortune'. But it may be that God will bring victory, or some commandment from Him; and then they will end up, for what they kept secret within themselves, remorseful.

[5:53]
And they say, those who believe: 'Are these the ones who swore by God their most earnest oaths that they were surely with you? Their works have failed; and they have become the losers'.

[5:54]
O you who believe, whoever of you apostatises from his religion, God will assuredly bring a people whom He loves and who love Him: humble, towards believers, stern towards disbelievers, struggling in the way of God, and fearing not the reproach of any reproacher. That is God's bounty; He gives it to whom He will; and God is Embracing, Knowing.

9 December 2010 at 00:40  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals.

Answers Prt 1
After looking at your blog http://answering-questioning.blogspot.com/
I have now a greater insight into the working of your thinking, which I find quite scary.

Your site is full of rants against the Jewish people, a book review accusing Jews of debasing America and the introduction of Pornography?? as it's on your blog you must agree with it's statements and conclusions? Who can truly know and understand the Moslem hatred for the Jew???. It can only be SATANIC!

Your Blog should instead say 'Introducing Lies n Hate!

On a previous comment on Cranmer 3 October 2010 20:44 you said

'The early followers of Christ, and I don't think they are even Christians,

Acts 11:26, "and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And it came about that for an entire year they met with the church, and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch."
They were called CHRISTIANS by the Greeks in Antioch, the Greek word Χριστιανός (christianos)—meaning "follower of Christ"—comes from Χριστός (christos)—meaning "anointed one"
In the Greek Septuagint (written between 280-270 BC), christos was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed."

since Paul was not even born yet at that time,

Despite the agreement achieved at the Council of Jerusalem as understood by Paul, Paul recounts how he later publicly confronted Peter, also called the "Incident at Antioch" over Peter's reluctance to share a meal with Gentile Christians in Antioch.
YES, THE SAME PETER WHO WAS CHRIST' S DISCIPLE, SO HOW COULD PAUL HAVE NOT BEEN BORN YET!

Writing later of the incident, Paul recounts: "I opposed [Peter] to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong". Paul reports that he told Peter: "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?"[Gal. 2:11–14] Paul also mentions that even Barnabas (his traveling companion and fellow apostle until that time) sided with Peter.
Around 50-52AD Paul spent 18 months in Corinth. The reference in The Book of Acts to proconsul Gallio helps ascertain this date
Paul arrived in Jerusalem in 57 AD with a collection of money for the congregation there. The Book of Acts reports that the church welcomed Paul gladly, but it was apparently a proposal of James that led to his arrest.Paul caused a stir when he appeared at the Temple, and he escaped being killed by the crowd by being taken into custody.He was held as a prisoner for two years in Caesarea until a new governor reopened his case in 59 AD. When accused of treason, he appealed to Caesar, claiming his right as a citizen of Rome to appear there before a proper court and to defend himself of the charges.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

9 December 2010 at 00:45  
Anonymous srizals said...

[5:55]
Your patron is God only, and His Messenger, and the believers who establish prayer and pay the alms, bowing down.

[5:56]
Whoever affiliates with God and His Messenger and the believers; for verily the party of God, they are the victors.

[5:57]
O you who believe, do not take as patrons those who take your religion in mockery, and as a game, from among those who were given the Scripture before you and [from among] the disbelievers and fear God if you are believers.


Thank you your grace, you have been gracious to your student. I'm obliged. As for the gremlins, if I recalled correctly through experience, the "higher beings" are tapping in to our friendly conversation. But I could be wrong. Some options, browse anonymously.

Mr. Kingofhighcs, I'm waiting.

9 December 2010 at 00:46  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals.

Answers Prt 2

comment continued
' had no option to fight since there were only 12 of them against so many'.

Matthew 51 And, behold, one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant of the high priest's, and smote off his ear.
Matthew 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Matthew 53 Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
Matthew 54 But how then shall the scriptures be fulfilled, that thus it must be?

Luke 22:49 When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword?
Luke 22:50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
Luke 22:51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

Do you not understand anything about Christ and what he said?. His Followers WRONGLY thought they should fight. You see, Christ corrected his disciples to NOT think like men but as He commanded them to be!

This is SO typical of Moslems (especially Mohammed, as you give by your statement's a vivid depiction of how the contradictions in your Qu'ran came about through Mohammed listening to stories as told by monks?. Hear a few stories from the Bible, (as you are not really paying attention to the events, people involved or what was said by the characters involved, etc).

Then. hey presto, a new narrative is given, perverted from the original event written down on paper which can be verified as true and show the new narrative as false, put together by the vivid imagination and interpretation of the listener .

I disagree with Islam and for me it is no different from Mormonism, that preach another prophet ( Joseph Smith or Muhammed) and another Book (Book Of Mormon or Quaran). The least of the Prophets in the Bible is greater than any of the above mentioned. Where is their authentication of/by prophecy or miracles?? None!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Joseph Smith did exactly the same thing..Again the poor Angels are blamed for spreading another GOSPEL? Why should Mohammed be let off from the same accusation of making up his own religion for personal gain and to be worshipped as a Prophet of God, like Joseph Smith wanted to be and is by Mormons?..

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

9 December 2010 at 00:50  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Lets try again as my comments keep disappearing YG

Dear Srizals.

Answers Prt 1 (a)
After looking at your blog http://answering-questioning.blogspot.com/
I have now a greater insight into the working of your thinking, which I find quite scary.

Your site is full of rants against the Jewish people, a book review accusing Jews of debasing America and the introduction of Pornography?? as it's on your blog you must agree with it's statements and conclusions? Who can truly know and understand the Moslem hatred for the Jew???. It can only be SATANIC!

Your Blog should instead say 'Introducing Lies n Hate!

On a previous comment on Cranmer 3 October 2010 20:44 you said

'The early followers of Christ, and I don't think they are even Christians,

Acts 11:26, "and when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. And it came about that for an entire year they met with the church, and taught considerable numbers; and the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch."
They were called CHRISTIANS by the Greeks in Antioch, the Greek word Χριστιανός (christianos)—meaning "follower of Christ"—comes from Χριστός (christos)—meaning "anointed one"
In the Greek Septuagint (written between 280-270 BC), christos was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ, messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed."

since Paul was not even born yet at that time,

Despite the agreement achieved at the Council of Jerusalem as understood by Paul, Paul recounts how he later publicly confronted Peter, also called the "Incident at Antioch" over Peter's reluctance to share a meal with Gentile Christians in Antioch.
YES, THE SAME PETER WHO WAS CHRIST' S DISCIPLE, SO HOW COULD PAUL HAVE NOT BEEN BORN YET!

9 December 2010 at 01:08  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals

Answers Prt 1 (b)

Writing later of the incident, Paul recounts: "I opposed [Peter] to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong". Paul reports that he told Peter: "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?"[Gal. 2:11–14] Paul also mentions that even Barnabas (his traveling companion and fellow apostle until that time) sided with Peter.
Around 50-52AD Paul spent 18 months in Corinth. The reference in The Book of Acts to proconsul Gallio helps ascertain this date
Paul arrived in Jerusalem in 57 AD with a collection of money for the congregation there. The Book of Acts reports that the church welcomed Paul gladly, but it was apparently a proposal of James that led to his arrest.Paul caused a stir when he appeared at the Temple, and he escaped being killed by the crowd by being taken into custody.He was held as a prisoner for two years in Caesarea until a new governor reopened his case in 59 AD. When accused of treason, he appealed to Caesar, claiming his right as a citizen of Rome to appear there before a proper court and to defend himself of the charges.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

9 December 2010 at 01:12  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals

You keep saying Prophet Abraham yet you are not descended from him, WHY DO YOU DO THIS.
You (Moslems) are not descendent from Ishmael(show me the geneologies that proof this)as were called Ishmaelites who intermarried with other tribes! Midianites (He was an illegitimate child through HAGAR The handmaiden of Sarah..Isaac is the true Legitimate Son and Heir)!

I have asked you previously You are not of the Abrahamic Covenant (through Ishmael) and neither are Christians as we are not of Racial descent of the promise of the Land nor of King David but our Faith and righteous is accorded to us through the same belief as Abraham revealed by YHWH in The Redeemer Jesus Christ (the one true sacrifice for sin). As Moslems believe they are racially descendent from Ishmael yet No scripture in the Old or New Testament states this to be the case what is your assumption made on?

Were not Moses 'people' The Children of Israel not Children of Ishmael?
Were there not Egyptians,Persians Akkadians,Babylonians, Assyrians, Hittites,Sumerians etc who lived before, during and after Abraham?
What tragedy happened to them , these millions of people who were not descendent of Abraham.
Where are they or where did they go?
It appears that every Arab in the world is descendent from Ishmael..
Yet again I ask you how can this be so that all Arabs in the world are descendedt from Ishmael, What happened to all the other tribes in the region before during and after Abraham? What happened to them?????

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

9 December 2010 at 01:36  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals Said

Part 3 a)
Let me ask you a question?

If each prophet who dies is succeeded by another prophet, how is Mohammed a prophet. Your Qu'ran states Jesus as a geat prophet but he is not dead! as your qu'ran even states he was taken to Heaven and did not die on the cross, it is a christian lie (I OBVIOUSLY do not believe this but quote your own Book to you)!

Mohammed cannot be a prophet as Jesus did not die..agreed? Jesus's body cannot be found as he LIVES but Mohammed Died and was buried, so he cannot have succeeded Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS NOT A PROPHET THEREFORE!

Again You state 'If not for the council of Nicaea and the fact there are so many writers of the bible, and I don't recall any of them as the companions of Jesus',
WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, IF YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF ENGLISH IS BASIC, PLEASE TRY TO FORMULATE A STATEMENT OR QUESTION BASICALLY,

a) Nicea was not to write down the books of the Old Or New Testaments but to determine what all the Churches throughout Christianity accepted as GENUINELY INSPIRED LETTERS THAT THEY ALREADY HAD IN THEIR POSSESION and not false letters being foisted on Churches to cause confusion and bring heresy into the Church. Do you now understand?.

b) the fact there are so many writers of the bible. THE REASON THERE ARE SO MANY WRITERS OF THE BIBLE IS THAT IT IS GODS WORD, REVEALED TO HIS PEOPLE THROUGHOUT HISTORY (real history) AND NO ONE MAN CAN LIVE FOR 4 THOUSAND YEARS.
I cannot believe I am having to explain this simple fact!!!

c) 'and I don't recall any of them as the companions of Jesus',
WHAT ABOUT MATTHEW, MARK, JOHN, PETER, (JUDE AND JAMES WERE HIS HALF BROTHERS BY MARY AND JOSEPH, FOR GOODNESS SAKE, do you know anything about the people you are talking about )!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was going to answer other things that you wrote but I am not going to even waste my time, If you are that unknowledgable about the very basics, what is the point in having a discussion with you?.

You really have no clue what you are talking about, do you? Just the ramblings of words strung together, not based on an interpretation of the original words written down.

Please brush up on the things you want to write statements about!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

9 December 2010 at 01:44  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals
PS..Copy and pasting a large section from the Qu'ran may look impressive but it is an empty gesture on a blog as you have done above in response to my taking sections from the Qu'ran that agree with the Bible in one part then disagree by contradicting itself a later. This this only proves your lack of understanding at what I have placed beside my argument, to show you were wrong in the first place! You ask foolish questions;

'Is this the proof of a Judaeo-Christian heritage Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS?

John 10:30-33
I and My Father are one.”
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”
The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”

8 December 2010 04:48 '

'Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may also glorify you…. This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.” — John 17:1,3

Was Jesus praying to himself or a part of separate entity of himself?
Or should we say something has been tampered with?

The definition of son and father in the bible is also controversial as it is translated from different languages.'

Purely as if to show you do not understand how to make an argument and it falls into complete idiocy

Sorry, You are not impressing me!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

9 December 2010 at 02:03  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals

You and other Moslems appear to have a problem dealing with the concept of Triune Godhead, so let me pose a question for you?

I place a cube of Iced Water into a kettle.
As it boils, the ice melts to liquid and as it reaches boiling point, it lets off steam.

In which part of the process did the 3 forms stop being water (H2O)?

Do you understand the analogy (inference)?

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

9 December 2010 at 02:32  
Anonymous srizals said...

Trying, can you give another? Thanks.

9 December 2010 at 03:32  
Anonymous srizals said...

I provide the verses to give a background of the verses you've quoted. If possible, please quote a few verses related to the verses in the bible you've quoted to help my understanding. Delay is to be expected but if say our conversation gets interrupted. You know where to find me.

9 December 2010 at 03:53  
Anonymous srizals said...

1st response.

[5:14]
And from those who say, “We are Christians,” We took a pledge. So, they have overlooked a good deal of the Advice they were given. So, We had them stuck with enmity and malice among them right through the Day of Doom, and (then) Allah will tell them what they were doing.

This is the proof that the Koran is a word of God. Muhammad couldn't have known the inhumane atrocities and oppressions by the Christians among themselves, hundreds of years after his death, in millions!

[5:18]
The Jews and the Christians say, “We are the sons of Allah and His favourites.” Say, “Why then would He punish you for your sins? In fact, you are just human, among those He has created. He forgives whom He wills and punishes whom He wills.” Unto Allah belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what lies between them, and unto Him is the return.

The Jews repeatedly suffered throughout history, so do Christians in the hands of their own. What more proof do you need?

The miseries and death experienced by Jews and Christians were horrible, inflicted not by Muslims. What say you?

You said you can't accept other prophets, are you saying Jesus was also a prophet? What about Paul? Why didn't God Himself appeared to him?

The 4 gospels, who wrote them? The disciples of Paul or the disciples of Jesus?

Two of Jesus followers, Peter and Barnabas, disagree with Paul, what does that tell you?

9 December 2010 at 04:59  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said 9 December 2010 04:59

This is the proof that the Koran is a word of God. Muhammad couldn't have known the inhumane atrocities and oppressions by the Christians among themselves, hundreds of years after his death, in millions!

Answer: This is no proof at all of the Qu'ran being the revealed word of god..All men kill whether against their own kind (race or religion..even atheist delight in slaughtering each other) or others, where did you get the figure, millions from ..

'The Jews repeatedly suffered throughout history, so do Christians in the hands of their own. What more proof do you need?'

Answer:Do not Moslems kill each other in the millions i.e Sh'ite and Sunni? Does this not show the Hatred in the human heart and why Jesus Christ said 'Matthew 52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.'

You said you can't accept other prophets, are you saying Jesus was also a prophet?


Answer:

I HAVE ANSWERED YOU SUCCINCTLY, THEY ARE FALSE PROPHETS, BELIEVING THEMSELVES TO BE PROPHETS BUT NO VALIDATION FROM GOD HIMSELF THEY ARE GOD'S PROPHETS. PROPHECY/MIRACLES ?

What about Paul? Why didn't God Himself appeared to him?

Seriously?
Book of Acts 9:3-9
As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"

"Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked.

"I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied. "Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."

The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing. So they led him by the hand into Damascus. For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything.


The 4 gospels, who wrote them? The disciples of Paul or the disciples of Jesus?

Answer: Sorry but this is just too stupid a question to give a full answer to, showing and confirming my other statement, that you imagine but do not read the thing you question to know yourself or you would not write this question..Matthew, Mark, John walked With Jesus Christ as Chosen Disciples of Christ Himself.

'Two of Jesus followers, Peter and Barnabas, disagree with Paul, what does that tell you?'
Answer:
They disagreed!............ but Paul was confirmed correct later as shown in Peter's Epistle's...The Apostle's could disagree and not be hated or wanted killed by each other as the love they had for Jesus Christ united them!

Where are my Questions answered, Just one then if you are unable and need to get help elsewhere before you respond
That ALL Moslems say they are descended from Abraham and this is your claim to the Covenant? How is this possible as you state you are descended by race from Ishmael? Show me?

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

9 December 2010 at 10:53  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said.

You must understand, I hate no man/woman, what ever their race or belief, however I tell you that Jesus Christ is GOD/Messiah and that all men need to be saved as all men sin against God and each other.

I have tried to help you as an ex catholic who examined everything he believed the church told him but came through this examination that Christ was God and that his death cleanses men of their sin IF THEY BELIEVE ON HIM AS MESSIAH. I am now a committed Christian but no longer a Catholic as they, like Mohammed with Islam, preach another Gospel!

Mohammed is no different to me compared to all the Popes throughout Roman Catholic history who have claimed infallability but their actions and words prove them wrong. They were making it up to suit them as Head of a man-made religion just as Mohammed did.

Be like me and truly examine what you believe and once you have, Turn to Jesus Christ and be fully saved and at peace with GOD!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

9 December 2010 at 11:09  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals Said

Part 1 a)
Let me respond to your questions
but I will ask you this question first.

If each prophet who dies is succeeded by another prophet, how is Mohammed a prophet. Your Qu'ran states Jesus as a geat prophet but he is not dead! as your qu'ran even states he was taken to Heaven and did not die on the cross, it is a christian lie (I OBVIOUSLY do not believe this but quote your own Book to you)!

Mohammed cannot be a prophet as Jesus did not die..agreed? Jesus's body cannot be found as he LIVES but Mohammed Died and was buried, so he cannot have succeeded Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE IS NOT A PROPHET THEREFORE!

Again You state 'If not for the council of Nicaea and the fact there are so many writers of the bible, and I don't recall any of them as the companions of Jesus',

a) Nicea was not to write down the books of the Old Or New Testaments but to determine what all the Churches throughout Christianity accepted as GENUINELY INSPIRED LETTERS THAT THEY ALREADY HAD IN THEIR POSSESION and not false letters being foisted on Churches to cause confusion and bring heresy into the Church. Do you now understand?.

b) the fact there are so many writers of the bible. THE REASON THERE ARE SO MANY WRITERS OF THE BIBLE IS THAT IT IS GODS WORD, REVEALED TO HIS PEOPLE THROUGHOUT HISTORY (real history) AND NO ONE MAN CAN LIVE FOR 4 THOUSAND YEARS.
I cannot believe I am having to explain this simple fact!!!


So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

9 December 2010 at 14:06  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals
Finally
Part 1 B

c) 'and I don't recall any of them as the companions of Jesus',
WHAT ABOUT MATTHEW, MARK, JOHN, PETER, (JUDE AND JAMES WERE HIS HALF BROTHERS BY MARY AND JOSEPH, FOR GOODNESS SAKE, do you honestly know anything about the people you are talking about)!!!!!!

I was going to answer other things that you wrote but I am not going to even waste my time because if you are that unknowledgable about the very basics, what is the point in having a discussion with you?.

You seem to have no clue (real research) what you are talking about, do you? Just the ramblings of words strung together from opinions of other people, not based on an interpretation of the original words written down.

Please brush up on the things you want to write statements about!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

9 December 2010 at 14:12  
Anonymous srizals said...

2nd response,

As for the porn or sex things on my blog, about the people involved were written by the respective writers, not me.You can research about them yourself to prove them wrong.

And I quote from his grace,

"Even Disney characters have conformed to the sexualised zeitgeist: have you compared Little Mermaid’s skimpy clothes and the cleavage of Pocahontas with the modesty of Snow White and Cinderella?"

Who owns Disney?

3rd response,

You said the gospels were written by Jesus' disciples.

You were wrong!

Only The Gospel of John was said written by John, one of the twelve disciples of Jesus.

http://www.abideinchrist.com/messages/lk1v1.html

Care to share a link or info of why you said the four gospels were all written by Jesus' companions?

3rd response,

my, you are a fast talker ain't you. Hope I can keep up.

The question you asked about the children of Ishmael and about the legitimacy according to your faith, the land of Palestine. I knew where those questions came from. And it's not originally from you.

http://www.journeytojesus.com/AreTheArabsDescendantsOfIshmael.pdf

So who's the parrot now?

I'll answer it in due time. Some are already in the verses of the Koran if you'd care to look. Have patience. Correct your mistake first.I'm parroting it below in case you've lost track of our plain discourse.

Me: The 4 gospels, who wrote them? The disciples of Paul or the disciples of Jesus?

You Answer: "Sorry but this is just 'too stupid' a question to give a full answer to, showing and confirming my other statement, that you 'imagine' but do not read the thing you question to know yourself or you would not write this question..Matthew, Mark, John walked With Jesus Christ as Chosen Disciples of Christ Himself." {Forgetting Luke, my emphasis}

"Mark was not one of the 12 disciples, but he was an eyewitness to many of the events surrounding Jesus’ life and was part of the wider circle of Jesus’ followers."
http://www.thestoryofjesus.com/authors.html

9 December 2010 at 16:45  
Anonymous srizals said...

Dear Kingofhighcs,

we do not retreat from a discussion by saying our forum members as stupider and we as 'holier than thou'. It's so typical. We discuss and compare facts, seek conclusions, that's the way it should be done.

But it's entirely up to you."You may say I'm a dreamer. But I'm not the only one."

Was Matthew, Matthew himself or Levi?

"The Gospel according to Matthew is credited to have been written by Matthew the disciple of Jesus. The account of the calling of Matthew stated Jesus saw a man named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom (tax office) and told Matthew to follow Him. The next verse says Jesus sat at meat in the house."

"Mark reports the same instance as Jesus calling Levi, the son of Alphaeus, sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him. Jesus sat at meat in his house. Matthew and James were both the sons of Alphaeus.(Matthew 9: 9-10; Mark 2:14-15)."

http://www.guidedbiblestudies.com/topics/matthewpublican.htm

Luke was a Greek physician. He did not witness the life of Jesus personally.
http://www.thestoryofjesus.com/authors.html

One of the problem with Luke,

"Another way in which 'Luke' destroys her historical credibility is her propensity for plagiarism; in no less than three places, 'Luke' directly plagiarizes from a Greek play, written around 406BCE, known as the Bacchae. The famous 'conversion' of Paul is a good example. In ACTS, it is said that Paul hears the voice of Jesus say:

"Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you, this kicking against the goads [pros kentra laktizein]" (ACTS 26:15).

"In the Bacchae, which is approximately five hundred years older than ACTS, the situation is parallel. Dionysis, the persecuted God, says to King Pentheus, his persecutor:

"You disregard my words of warning... and kick against the goads [pros kentra laktizoimi]" (line 794)."

http://www.harrington-sites.com/History.htm

I'm hoping that I can learn Christianity first hand from a Christian. Please give me that chance.

You said god himself revealed himself to Paul, was he Jesus, the son of god, or the father? Why the third person rarely shown himself to man?

Is it the nature of god to sent prophets and messengers to man or he has to come down all the way from up there and meet us, his humble creation down on earth?

What happened at the Council of Nicaea? Answer me this and I'll give my answer to you about the children of Ishmael and Palestine.

9 December 2010 at 16:49  
Anonymous srizals said...

As for the monks that you claimed had told Muhammad s.a.w. about the bible, I hoped they weren't like the monks of Broxley and the wooden Jesus on the famous cross that moved by itself upon prayers, depending on the intention of those who prayed.

Why didn't they claimed prophethood instead? Were they scared of the pagans?

9 December 2010 at 17:01  
Anonymous srizals said...

4th response,
The millions that perished, some of them can be found here,
http://rissc.jo/docs/bodycount_final.pdf
Copy and paste it in the address bar and click the arrow.

The conflict between Shia and Sunni are politically motivated. Who provide the ammo and the right atmosphere for them to slaughter each other? The Bosnians didn't get any. The millions casualties, could you provide a source?

As for the Great Britain's civil wars and expansion, Catholics vs. Protestants wars, (the medieval torture machines),(sawing humans alive with ropes), The crusades against fellow Christians, 100 years war between France and Britain, (Joan of Arc), , Britain against Spain and the Dutch and each other for the wealth of the world, Napoleon, US independence and civil wars , 2 World Wars, Croats vs. Serbs , Hutu vs. Tutsi, and etc. I admit, I'm still in the process of gathering the information and the reasons behind them.

Could you give your opinion on them, were they political or religious inspired? Were the churches involved in any of these conflicts? Thanks.

10 December 2010 at 13:04  
Anonymous srizals said...

Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS,
4th response,
The millions that perished, some of them can be found here,
http://rissc.jo/docs/bodycount_final.pdf
Copy and paste it in the address bar and click the arrow.

The conflict between Shia and Sunni are politically motivated. Who provide the ammo and the right atmosphere for them to slaughter each other? The Bosnians didn't get any. The millions casualties, could you provide a source? We know that we would have to fight each other. Muslims are not angels you know. Some are very un-Islamic. There is even a verse in the Koran about why Muslims have to fight each other.

As for the Great Britain's civil wars and expansion, Catholics vs. Protestants wars, (the medieval torture machines),(sawing humans alive with ropes), The crusades against fellow Christians, 100 years war between France and Britain, (Joan of Arc), , Britain against Spain and the Dutch and each other for the wealth of the world, Napoleon, US independence and civil wars , 2 World Wars, Croats vs. Serbs , Hutu vs. Tutsi, and etc. I admit, I'm still in the process of gathering the information and the reasons behind them.

Could you give your opinion on them, were they political or religious inspired? Were the churches involved in any of these conflicts? Thanks.

10 December 2010 at 13:09  
Anonymous srizals said...

Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS,

Regarding Jesus and Muhammad.

I qoute a hadith,
"Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 654:
Narrated 'Umar:
I heard the Prophet saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle." End quote.

Another one,
"4. Christ Jesus is the promised Redeemer, “the Servant of the LORD.” What is our response to the truth of God’s Word? Jesus had a word of rebuke for those who would not believe the witnesses (Luke 24:25-27). We will be held accountable to the truth we have received."
http://www.abideinchrist.com/messages/lk1v1.html

My confusion, was Jesus the son of god or the servant of God?

We Muslims knew and know until now who Muhammad is and was. Thanks.

A video link for you, since you like Hebrew,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cur_6aYs_7k

11 December 2010 at 00:11  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals Said

So your blog; http://answering-questioning.blogspot.com/ (other Christians on Cranmer should visit to see what you Truly believe!) states
The Progeny of Abraham vs. The Progeny of Adam. The Progeny of The Apes. (Not Included)..The Poor Jews I Presume?? (Hate n Lies??)

HA HA HA

So I am the progeny of Adam am I (even though my association is through BELIEVING in Jesus Christ WHO IS THE KING OF THE JEWS DESCENDENT FROM ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB AND THE ROYAL LINE OF KING DAVID AND IS THE PROMISED MESSIAH, just like Abraham believed and was accounted RIGHTEOUS BY GOD HIMSELF) whereas you are the progeny of Abraham (EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN SHOW NO PROOF OF RACIAL DESCENT THROUGH ISHMAEL,see my previous questions to you, WHEREAS JEWS ARE DESCENDED BY ISAAC AND JACOB through geneaology and can prove it!!).

YOU (Muslims) ARE NOT OF ABRAHAM!!

NO Srizals, Muslims are Not a Witness of Christ, it is YOUR version of Christ, not OURS.
This is WHY Christians do not agree with you and REJECT ISLAM AS NOT REVEALED BY GOD! A MAN MADE RELIGION!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

11 December 2010 at 04:46  
Anonymous srizals said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoFODk_Mdo8

Gaza Made Simple For Christians By Ted Pike 2009 (rev.)

Do watch it first.
The Muslims, Christians and Jews themselves are saying the Zionist Jews are rebelling against God. The Jews said only the Messiah can bring the children of Israel home. Not before and rebel again against God.

"Deuteronomy 4
25 After you have had children and grandchildren and have lived in the land a long time—if you then become corrupt and make any kind of idol, doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God and arousing his anger, 26 I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you this day that you will quickly perish from the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess. You will not live there long but will certainly be destroyed.

27 The LORD will scatter you among the peoples, and only a few of you will survive among the nations to which the LORD will drive you.

28 There you will worship man-made gods of wood and stone, which cannot see or hear or eat or smell. 29 But if from there you seek the LORD your God, you will find him if you seek him with all your heart and with all your soul. 30 When you are in distress and all these things have happened to you, then in later days you will return to the LORD your God and obey him. 31 For the LORD your God is a merciful God; he will not abandon or destroy you or forget the covenant with your ancestors, which he confirmed to them by oath."

Their salvation.

"Deuteronomy 30
1 When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come on you and you take them to heart wherever the LORD your God disperses you among the nations,

2 and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today,

3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you.

4 Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back. 5 He will bring you to the land that belonged to your ancestors, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your ancestors. 6 The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live. 7 The LORD your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you. 8 You will again obey the LORD and follow all his commands I am giving you today."

11 December 2010 at 14:30  
Anonymous srizals said...

5th response.

Ha (3x only), funny right? Ok. Now that we got it out of our system, allow me to explain as the original writer of my own blog and mind, not based on ‘your’ interpretation and understanding. The progeny of the apes weren't Jews. The ones that claimed 'evolution' as their god or they themselves are gods, since the nothingness was too powerful and then, quoting you 'walla' everything exist because the nothingness was too strong to keep on existing solely based on nothing. And then things decided for themselves of what they wanted to be and evolve, constantly changing their shapes and sizes, according to their whims. Strangely, no zebras ever evolved into an eating-lion horse, enduring millions of years being harassed by the lions. As with homosexuals and free-sex advocates who until now haven't evolved to an extent, enabling them to conceive without the opposite sex nor make themselves somewhat immune from STD or control their pregnancy without outside help. What were they thinking? Why didn’t they start evolving and make things better for themselves. Isn’t that what evolution is all about? That's why I can't get ‘evolution’. Why not we just evolve and evolve and quit the cycle of life and death? It was we all along that made the decision that put where we are now right? So why stop now?

Just like when one of their 'prophets' claimed 'homosexual genes' survived in a very weird sense and that ‘ET’ exist without any physical proof as they have demanded the proof of a physical body-like god! The role of the father in determining the self-concept of children was never even considered.

And I thought you ‘get’ that since you said you are a critical Christian, when you read the title ‘the progeny of the apes’. Anyway, it is supposed to be a reminder of those who believe they were descendent of the first man, Adam a.s. We are all intertwined and inter-connected, whether we like it or not. Don’t you know about the research that proves the climate that has changed the colour and physical appearance of man? Not they themselves, on their own.

Ok, now back to our discussion. Since you keep on insisting about the progeny of Abraham, the descendent of Ishmael and Isaac to legitimise the claim of the Jews on Palestine. I will tell you this. Palestine issue is not about ancestry heritage or the promise made by God. The Jews themselves, at that time, over and over again, failed to live up to it on their part. They failed themselves and broke the covenant, for being so proud that God needed them. Even the Pope said that the Chosen People no longer exist. And I’m sure the incident about the golden calf, among other things, (which resemble the faith of the Pharaoh and the Egyptians that have the same calf or cow-like god) surely nullified the promise on their behalf. Moses saved them by God’s will and yet they worshipped a thing made by their own hands. And you expect God to keep His promise to them? The promise is not one-sided. You don’t break your promise and expect the other party to live up to it. What law and logic are you following?

11 December 2010 at 14:36  
Anonymous srizals said...

One more thing, don’t you find it’s quite odd that the son of a wise man that have learnt the nature of man, through man’s experience, so dear to God would have such a son like Ishmael? Is it an attempt of ‘parroting’ the sons of Adam, Cain and Abel in a very twisted way? Can I have the descriptions of Ishmael in the bible from you that have made his progeny so despised by his own cousins to this very day?

Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS,
What made you so sure about the geneaology? Who wrote them? Who double-checked them? Aren’t they man-made? They are man-made without any DNA sampling. And again, on whose account? They are not absolute. They are prone to error. They could have easily been manipulated by interested parties without outside parties as ‘observers’. Or do they have an imperial endorsement by any pagan king? Do you know about the research on the DNA profiles of the People in the Middle East? Again you are diverting from the real issue. The thing is the Jews killed and robbed the Palestinians, whoever descendents they maybe. I also know about the prophecy you’re waiting for when Jesus was said to have a sword in his mouth and the Jews have either to accept him or be slaughtered. You wanted to fulfil this prophecy so that Jesus would walk back on earth.

11 December 2010 at 14:38  
Anonymous srizals said...

I have given the proof about the writers of the 4 gospels from Christian sites themselves. Now my questions, why did the said disciple of Jesus be the last person to write the gospel? Why should he be relying or waiting for the non-disciple to write the gospel first? What about the rest of his disciple, do they wrote any?

Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS,
Please do not use elegant silence and arrogance as your proof and counter-arguments against mine. Only this I ask of you. Thank you.

And I quote, Luke 24:25-27 (New International Version, ©2010)
25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
Only Muhammad fits this description. From suffering besiegement and alienation, oppression and assassination plot and even wars against larger and formidable forces, almost eliminated, to a successful leader (to his glory). Both in the religious and secular level until now. No Muslim is above him. Go to my blog and click the video ‘the last prophet’. Not even one quotation was made by Muslims as far as I know in it.
One more, if you care to see. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q75jZDjG6JQ&feature=fvw

11 December 2010 at 14:39  
Anonymous srizals said...

The Cow
[2:27]
- those who break the Covenant of Allah after it has been made binding, and cut off the relations Allah has commanded to be joined, and spread disorder on the earth - it is these who are the losers.

What have the Christians and Jews been doing for the past 63 years? And you can only remember two dates to commemorate the terrorist attack. What a shame.

11 December 2010 at 15:06  
Blogger srizals said...

Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS,
Have to go the highlands. Do excuse any delay on my behalf. I'll read up when I have any Internet connection. I leave you with my quotation,

"The fool would not ceased being one unless he is able to face his own arrogant self."

And I'm not referring to anyone. It's just a quotation I used regularly in my daily live as a reminder to myself.

11 December 2010 at 23:30  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said:

'The killing between moslems is political not religious' Part 1

During the Iraq Iran war alone, estimates of the number of dead range up to 1.5 million. Sunni vs Shia!

Iraq War:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi%27a%E2%80%93Sunni_relations ( A RARE BLOG REF)

Some of the worst Shia-Sunni sectarian strife ever has occurred after the start of the Iraq War, steadily building up to present.[12] Deaths from American and allied military collateral damage[62] have become overshadowed by the cycle of Sunni-Shia revenge killing—Sunni often using car bombs,with Shia favoring death squads.[63]

According to one estimate, as of early 2008, 1,121 Muslim suicide bombers have blown themselves up in Iraq.[64] Sunni suicide bombers have targeted not only thousands of civilians,[65] but mosques, shrines,[66] wedding and funeral processions,[67] markets, hospitals, offices, and streets.[68] Sunni insurgent organizations include Ansar al-Islam.[69] Radical groups include Al-Tawhid Wal-Jihad, Jeish al-Taiifa al-Mansoura, Jeish Muhammad, and Black Banner Organization.[70]

Takfir motivation for many of these killings may come from Sunni insurgent leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi. Before his death Zarqawi was one to quote Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, especially his infamous statement urging followers to kill the Shia of Iraq,[71] and calling the Shias "snakes".[72] An al-Qaeda-affiliated website posted a call for "a full-scale war on Shiites all over Iraq, whenever and wherever they are found."[73] Wahhabi suicide bombers continue to attack Iraqi Shia civilians,[74] and the Shia ulama have in response declared suicide bombing as haraam:

12 December 2010 at 03:13  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said:

'The killing between moslems is political not religious' Part 2

حتي كساني كه با انتحار مي‌‏آيند و مي‌‏زنند عده‌‏اي را مي‌‏كشند، آن هم به عنوان عمليات انتحاري، اينها در قعر جهنم هستند
Even those who kill people with suicide bombing, these shall meet the flames of hell.
—Ayatollah Yousef Saanei[75]

Some believe the war has strengthened the takfir thinking and may spread Sunni-Shia strife elsewhere.[76]

On the Shia side, in early February 2006 militia-dominated government death squads were reportedly "tortur[ing] to death or summarily" executing "hundreds" of Sunnis "every month in Baghdad alone," many arrested at random.[77][78][79] According to the British television Channel 4, from 2005 through early 2006, commandos of the Ministry of the Interior which is controlled by the Badr Organization, and

...who are almost exclusively Shia Muslims — have been implicated in rounding up and killing thousands of ordinary Sunni civilians.[80]

The violence shows little sign of getting opposite sides to back down. Iran's Shia leaders, some of whom have strong ties with Iraqi Shia, are said to become "more determined" the more violent the anti-Shia attacks in Iraq become.[81] One Shia Grand Ayatollah, Yousef Saanei, who has been described as a moderate, reacted to the 2005 suicide bombings of Shia targets in Iraq by saying the bombers were "wolves without pity" and that "sooner rather than later, Iran will have to put them down".

12 December 2010 at 03:14  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said:
Your Question; Can I have the descriptions of Ishmael in the bible from you that have made his progeny so despised by his own cousins to this very day?
Answer; There is no such description of Ishmael being despised, However, he is not a legitimate heir to GODS COVENANT but even so, again I say, YOU (Moslems) are not racially descendent from Abraham, anymore than I am! Sorry but this is the TRUTH!!
Your Question; I also know about the prophecy you’re waiting for when Jesus was said to have a sword in his mouth and the Jews have either to accept him or be slaughtered. You wanted to fulfil this prophecy so that Jesus would walk back on earth.
You are wrong on Christian interpretation of OUR PROPHECY!!!
JESUS RETURNS TO SAVE THE JEWS FROM ANTICHRIST AND ALL OTHERS LIKE YOURSELF. HE SLAUGHTERS NO JEWS, ONLY UNBELIEVERS BY 'A WORD' FROM HIS MOUTH.!! JEWS BELIEVE AND MOURN WHEN THEY SEE HIM AS THEIR MESSIAH, WHO THEY REJECTED.
'We Muslims knew and know until now who Muhammad is and was. Thanks.'
WE ALSO KNOW WHAT MUSLIMS BELIEVE ABOUT JEWS AND CHRISTIANS FROM BLOGS LIKE YOURS AND THE QU'RAN, THANKS.

I only look at BLOGS for knowledge about the BLOG' I never recommend, as you do, to prove points out of context. I READ BOOKS BY ESTABLISHED HISTORIANS AND ONLY QUOTE THEM!

TOO FOOLISH TO RESPOND TO FULLY..'And I quote, Luke 24:25-27 (New International Version, ©2010)
25 He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” 27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
Only Muhammad fits this description. From suffering besiegement and alienation, oppression and assassination plot and even wars against larger and formidable forces, almost eliminated, to a successful leader (to his glory).'
MUHAMMAD IS NOT OF THE LINEAGE OF KING DAVID..THAT IS WHY JEWS IN MEDINA REJECTED HIM!!!!!!!!!!! HE CAN NEVER BE MESSIAH. HE WAS NOT BORN IN BETHLEHEM, OF A VIRGIN, KING DAVID DESCENDENT, HEAL THE CRIPPLES, SIGHT TO THE BLIND, CURE LEPROSY,RAISE THE DEAD,CAST OUT DEMONS, FORGIVE SINS, etc , etc. STOP DELUDING YOURSELF! MUHAMMED WAS A MAN

12 December 2010 at 03:20  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said:
'I have given the proof about the writers of the 4 gospels from Christian sites themselves.'

AGAIN I SAY 'I only look at BLOGS for knowledge about the BLOG' I never recommend, as you do, to prove points out of context. I READ BOOKS BY ESTABLISHED HISTORIANS AND ONLY QUOTE THEM!'

Finally 'The progeny of the apes weren't Jews.'

RUBBISH. One thing I pride myself on is discerning People! Your Blog is especially directed towards MOSLEMS in particular..This does not bother me, however your deceitful way to try and impress on your 'READERS' that I am the progeny of ADAM, Whereas you, the Enlightened 'Abrahamic One', is enlighteninging me by your statements is LUDICROUS! HA HA HA HA (4 X)

Even If I had a Blog, I could and would not use it to belittle anyone..You don't understand..I hate NO-ONE, MUSLIM, JEW, ATHIEST ETC, other than to say YOU ARE WRONG. SIMPLE.

PS
THE REASON LUKE IS NOT MENTIONED IS THAT LUKE WAS NOT A DISCIPLE WHO FOLLOWED CHRIST WHILE CHRIST WAS ON HIS EARTHLY MINISTRY (HE WAS A DISCIPLE OF PAUL)! SEE, I answered you previous questions accurately as there was a TRUTHFUL reason for omitting LUKE as I answered your question exactly as YOU ASKED IT!

FACTS ABOUT LUKE!
Archaeologist Sir William Ramsay wrote that "Luke is a historian of the first rank; not merely are his statements of fact trustworthy...[he] should be placed along with the very greatest of historians." Ramsay, BRDTNT, 222.
Professor of classics at Auckland University, E.M. Blaiklock, wrote: "For accuracy of detail, and for evocation of atmosphere, Luke stands, in fact, with Thucydides. The Acts of the Apostles is not shoddy product of pious imagining, but a trustworthy record...it was the spadework of archaeology which first revealed the truth." Blaiklock, The Archaeology of the New Testament, page 96, Zondervan Publishing Houst, Grand Rapids, Michigan, 1970.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

12 December 2010 at 03:27  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said
'Ok, now back to our discussion. Since you keep on insisting about the progeny of Abraham, the descendent of Ishmael and Isaac to legitimise the claim of the Jews on Palestine. I will tell you this. Palestine issue is not about ancestry heritage or the promise made by God. The Jews themselves, at that time, over and over again, failed to live up to it on their part. They failed themselves and broke the covenant, for being so proud that God needed them. Even the Pope said that the Chosen People no longer exist. And I’m sure the incident about the golden calf, among other things, (which resemble the faith of the Pharaoh and the Egyptians that have the same calf or cow-like god) surely nullified the promise on their behalf. Moses saved them by God’s will and yet they worshipped a thing made by their own hands. And you expect God to keep His promise to them? The promise is not one-sided. You don’t break your promise and expect the other party to live up to it. What law and logic are you following?

11 December 2010 14:36'

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG...HERE (HEAR) IS THE PROMISE!

'1 “And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
2 “And I will make MY COVENANT between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly.
3 “And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying,
4 “As for me, behold, MY COVENANT is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
5 “Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 “And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
7 “And I will establish MY COVENANT between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an EVERLASTING COVENANT, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
8 “And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an EVERLASTING POSSESSION; and I will be their God.
9 “And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep MY COVENANT therefore, thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10 “This is MY COVENANT, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee ...” (Genesis 17:1-10).'

1. MY COVENANT..GOD not ABRAHAM honours this covenant..IT IS NOT CALLED 'OUR COVENANT'. ABRAHAM OR HIS SEED CANNOT BREAK IT OR LOSE IT, BUT THEY CAN BE DISPELLED FROM THE LAND FOR UNBELIEF.. HOWEVER THE LAND IS ALWAYS THEIR'S, IRRESPECTIVE OF FOREIGN EMPIRES OR PEOPLE CLAIMING TO BE PALESTINIAN....OR ARE YOU SAYING THIS IS NOT GODS LAND, TO GIVE TO WHO HE CHOOSES??? !!!!!
2. EVERLASTING COVENANT means FOREVER..UNTIL TIME ENDS
3 an EVERLASTING POSSESSION means FOREVER..UNTIL TIME ENDS.

SEE, YOU HAVE NOT UNDERSTOOD WHAT GOD DECLARED!!! IT IS CALLED PLAIN ENGLISH IN OUR COUNTRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

12 December 2010 at 03:47  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said
'The Jews themselves, at that time, over and over again, failed to live up to it on their part. They failed themselves and broke the covenant, for being so proud that God needed them. Even the Pope said that the Chosen People no longer exist. And I’m sure the incident about the golden calf, among other things, (which resemble the faith of the Pharaoh and the Egyptians that have the same calf or cow-like god) surely nullified the promise on their behalf. Moses saved them by God’s will and yet they worshipped a thing made by their own hands.

' THE JEWS, AFTER RECEIVING GOD's LAWS MADE THEMSELVES LIKE THE PEOPLE(ARABS) AROUND THEM THAT WORSHIPPED IDOL GODS(ALLAH ALSO BEING AN IDOL GOD !!). AS GOD HAD FORBIDDEN THEM NOT TO BE LIKE OTHER GENTILE NATIONS WHO DO THIS FORBIDDEN WORSHIP (ARABS ETC,) HE REMOVED HIS PROTECTION AND ALLOWED THEM TO BE SCATTERED BY THEIR ENEMIES)..AGAIN, ALLAH IS THE MOON GOD, HOW IS THIS IDOL DIFFERENT FROM A GOLDEN CALF???, SO MOSLEMS ARE CONDEMNED ALSO BY YOUR OWN WORDS!!!

'Even the Pope said that the Chosen People no longer exist.'

CATHOLICS ARE IDOL WORSHIPPERS TOO(I HAVE TOLD YOU I AM AN EX CATHOLIC).
HE IS WRONG, THEY ARE GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE. THE CHURCH IS NOT A CHOSEN NATION OF RACIAL DESCENT!!!!!BUT JEW AND GENTILES RECONCILED TO GOD AS INDIVIDUALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE JEWS ARE GODS ONLY CHOSEN NATION!!!! HE WILL RECONCILE TO HIMSELF BEFORE ALL THEIR ENEMIES!!!!!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

12 December 2010 at 04:10  
Anonymous srizals said...

Mr. Kingofhighcs,
I'm referring to blogs or websites as not everyone can refer, buy, seek the books of the highly established writers. They are still man-made. They are not absolute and they are not even God's inspired. Anyway, all of us can double check the information themselves.

You kept on saying that Allah is a moon god. Can you quote any of your sources? Is there any in the Koran? Strange. If Allah is a moon god, why didn't He told the Muslims about it?

“Our Arab Christian brothers and sisters use the name "Allah" for the God of the Bible. Once again, Allah is simply the Arab word for god. In the Arabic Bible, the Word Elohim (Hebrew for God) or Theos (Greek for God) is always translated as Allah. Incidentally, the Arab Christians called God "Allah" LONG BEFORE THE BIRTH OF MUHAMMAD AND ISLAM!”
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/bibleallah.htm

“We need to address a topic that is sure to come up when using ArabBible. The textual foundation for ArabBible is the venerable Van Dyck translation, completed in Lebanon in March of 1860. You are probably aware that the term used for “God” in the Van Dyck version is “Allah”.
http://www.arabbible.com/t-Allah.aspx

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%201:1&version=ALAB
ﺗﻜﻮﻳﻦ 1:1(Arabic Life Application Bible)
ﺗﻜﻮﻳﻦ 1
1فِي الْبَدْءِ خَلَقَ اللهُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْض
Genesis 1:1(New King James Version)
Genesis 1The History of Creation
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

14 December 2010 at 11:05  
Anonymous srizals said...

Mr. K: It is called plain english in our country!

Me: I ask you to clarify the meaning of the word "circumcise" as a true native speaker of the British English.
Deuteronomy 30:6 (King James Version)
6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
Deuteronomy 30:6(New King James Version)
6 And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.
Deuteronomy 30:6(New International Version - UK)
6 The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.

Mr. K: muhammed was a man.

Me: Why do you think that Muslims are worshipping Muhammad? Of course he's a man. Where did I said he was god? Is there any reference in the Koran or the Hadith or from the ulama' that I didn't know about?
Sorry for any typos. Got to pray.

14 December 2010 at 11:09  
Anonymous srizals said...

"Jews and Arabs are all really children of Abraham," says Harry Ostrer, M.D., Director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, an author of the new study by an international team of researchers in the United States, Europe, and Israel. "And all have preserved their Middle Eastern genetic roots over 4,000 years," he says.

The researchers analyzed the Y chromosome, which is usually passed unchanged from father to son, of more than 1,000 men worldwide. Throughout human history, alterations have occurred in the sequence of chemical bases that make up the DNA in this so-called male chromosome, leaving variations that can be pinpointed with modern genetic techniques. Related populations carry the same specific variations. In this way, scientists can track descendants of large populations and determine their common ancestors.

http://www.jews-for-allah.org/israel/jews_arabs_genetic_brothers.htm

Harry Ostrer, M.D., Director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, an author of the new study by an international team of researchers in the United States, Europe, and Israel. Ok with you? He's a book writer/an author.

14 December 2010 at 11:40  
Anonymous srizals said...

The Jews are rebelling against God not according to me, but according to themselves.

In 1826, when Mordecai Noah proposed to found an all-Jewish state or colony on Grand Island near Buffalo, New York, and send letters to the rabbis of Europe asking them to be leaders in the new state, here is the answer he got from Abraham de Cologna, Chief Rabbi of Paris:

"The venerable Messrs. Herschell and Mendola, Chief Rabbis at London, and myself, thank him, but positively refuse the appointments he has been pleased to confer upon us. We declare that according to our dogmas, God alone knows the epoch of the Israelitish restoration, that he alone will make it known to the whole universe by signs entirely unequivocal, and that every attempt on our part to reassemble with any politico-national design is forbidden, as an act of high treason against the Divine Majesty."
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/currentarticle.cfm?id=218

'with any politico-national design is forbidden, as an act of high treason against the Divine Majesty.'- my emphasis.

They are supposed to wait for their Messiah. Not any 'man-made' organisation. What say you?

14 December 2010 at 12:32  
Anonymous srizals said...

What is "Lawlessness" according to the simple plain English?

21“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

Matthew 7
New American Standard Bible

Is it related to murder, theft and forgery?

14 December 2010 at 12:47  
Anonymous srizals said...

"In non-Jewish populations, the SNP clusters confirmed a close relationship among Bedouins, Jordanians, Palestinians and Saudi Arabians. The patterns in Egyptians, Moroccan, Berber and Yemenite samples, though, were more similar to populations south of the Sahara."
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/06/dna-study-confirms-geographical-origin-of-jews/

Books are not that up-to-date. The Internet is updated almost hourly. The DNA study strangely used the Arabs of the Middle East as their basis of comparison, don't you think that it is quite odd? I mean the significance of the Arab people to the finding.

14 December 2010 at 13:11  
Anonymous srizals said...

One more interesting fact I hope you would find in a book.

" The evidence is that this idea gained a firm hold amongst second and third century church leaders. Hippolytus (said to have died about A.D. 235) refined it in a work entitled Treatise on Christ and Antichrist. His idea was that this "vessel of Satan" would:

* Gather the Hebrew people from their dispersion
* Promise to restore their country.
* Establish again their kingdom and nation.
* Will be worshiped by them as a God.

http://www.bibleinthenews.com/home/view_print.php?id_pag=260

Are you sure which side are you on Mr. K?

14 December 2010 at 13:28  
Anonymous srizals said...

Mr. K, in the Koran, the prophets, the angels were shown to be wise and sure of themselves. In the bible, they were shown to be not that wise, confused, hasty and unsure of themselves. Some descriptions of god are also likewise. How could this be? Can we rely on those who are easily confused, quite wicked and not even taken seriously by those who are close to them?

Genesis 19 (New International Version, ©2010)
14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry[a] his daughters. He said, “Hurry and get out of this place, because the LORD is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking.

Even more confusing for me, in order to avoid a sin (which is a norm these days), he was said to do this-

4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.”

6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.”

All the men, young and old, and his two virgin daughters. Does this make any sense? Plain English Mr. K. Thanks.

14 December 2010 at 18:42  
Anonymous srizals said...

34 The next day the older daughter said to the younger, “Last night I slept with my father. Let’s get him to drink wine again tonight, and you go in and sleep with him so we can preserve our family line through our father.” 35 So they got their father to drink wine that night also, and the younger daughter went in and slept with him. Again he was not aware of it when she lay down or when she got up.

36 So both of Lot’s daughters became pregnant by their father. 37 The older daughter had a son, and she named him Moab[g]; he is the father of the Moabites of today. 38 The younger daughter also had a son, and she named him Ben-Ammi[h]; he is the father of the Ammonites[i] of today.

Maybe some gaenology information that you asked for from me is here Mr. K.

14 December 2010 at 18:51  
Anonymous srizals said...

Last but not least for tonight, since it is related your grace, who was Abraham only son? Ishmael or Isaac?

Genesis 22 (New International Version, ©2010)
2 Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”

14 December 2010 at 19:08  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals 14 December 2010 11:05

You kept on saying that Allah is a moon god. Can you quote any of your sources? Is there any in the Koran? Strange. If Allah is a moon god, why didn't He told the Muslims about it?

1..There is SO MUCH ARCHEALOGICAL EVIDENCE to show who ALLAH The Moon GOD WAS.

During the nineteenth century, Amaud, Halevy and Glaser went to Southern Arabia and dug up thousands of Sabean, Minaean, and Qatabanian inscriptions which were subsequently translated. In the 1940's, the archeologists G. Caton Thompson and Carleton S. Coon made some amazing discoveries in Arabia. During the 1950's, Wendell Phillips, W.F. Albright, Richard Bower and others excavated sites at Qataban, Timna, and Marib (the ancient capital of Sheba). Thousands of inscriptions from walls and rocks in Northern Arabia have also been collected. Reliefs and votive bowls used in worship of the "daughters of Allah" have also been discovered. The three daughters, al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat are sometimes depicted together with Allah the Moon-god represented by a crescent moon above them. The archeological evidence demonstrates that the dominant religion of Arabia was the cult of the Moon-god.

Al-Kindi, one of the early Christian apologists against Islam, pointed out that Islam and its god Allah did not come from the Bible but from the paganism of the Sabeans. They did not worship the God of the Bible but the Moon-god and his daughters al-Uzza, al-Lat and Manat. Dr. Newman concludes his study of the early Christian-Muslim debates by stating, "Islam proved itself to be...a separate and antagonistic religion which had sprung up from idolatry." Islamic scholar Caesar Farah concluded "There is no reason, therefore, to accept the idea that Allah passed to the Muslims from the Christians and Jews." The Arabs worshipped the Moon-god as a supreme deity. But this was not biblical monotheism. While the Moon-god was greater than all other gods and goddesses, this was still a polytheistic pantheon of deities. Now that we have the actual idols of the Moon-god, it is no longer possible to avoid the fact that Allah was a pagan god in pre-Islamic times. Is it any wonder then that the symbol of Islam is the crescent moon? That a crescent moon sits on top of their mosques and minarets? That a crescent moon is found on the flags of Islamic nations? That the Muslims fast during the month which begins and ends with the appearance of the crescent moon in the sky?


If Allah is a moon god, why didn't He told the Muslims about it?

2.." This is seen from the fact that the first point of the Muslim creed is not, "Allah is great" but "Allah is the greatest," i.e., he is the greatest among the gods. Why would Muhammad say that Allah is the "greatest" except in a polytheistic context? The Arabic word is used to contrast the greater from the lesser. That this is true is seen from the fact that the pagan Arabs never accused Muhammad of preaching a different Allah than the one they already worshipped. This "Allah" was the Moon-god according to the archeological evidence.
The evidence reveals that the temple of the Moon-god was active even in the Christian era. Evidence gathered from both North and South Arabia demonstrate that Moon-god worship was clearly active even in Muhammad's day and was still the dominant cult. According to numerous inscriptions, while the name of the Moon-god was Sin, his title was al- ilah, i.e. "the deity," meaning that he was the chief or high god among the gods. As Coon pointed out, "The god Il or Ilah was originally a phase of the Moon God." The Moon-god was called al- ilah, i.e. the god, which was shortened to Allah in pre-Islamic times. The pagan Arabs even used Allah in the names they gave to their children. For example, both Muhammad's father and uncle had Allah as part of their names.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

15 December 2010 at 01:24  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals 14 December 2010 11:05

'“Our Arab Christian brothers and sisters use the name "Allah" for the God of the Bible. Once again, Allah is simply the Arab word for god. In the Arabic Bible, the Word Elohim (Hebrew for God) or Theos (Greek for God) is always translated as Allah. Incidentally, the Arab Christians called God "Allah" LONG BEFORE THE BIRTH OF MUHAMMAD AND ISLAM!”
http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Saifullah/bibleallah.htm

“We need to address a topic that is sure to come up when using ArabBible. The textual foundation for ArabBible is the venerable Van Dyck translation, completed in Lebanon in March of 1860. You are probably aware that the term used for “God” in the Van Dyck version is “Allah”.

Answer...The Aramaic Peshitta is from the Corrupt heretics called Nestorians (gnostics) after Nestorius.
He was Nestorius, bishop of Constantinople (428-31). He was deposed as Bishop and sent to Antioch. This is WHY Moslems quote HIM.
Nestorianism is REJECTED BY NEARLY ALL CHRISTIANS.
I ONLY ACCEPT TEXTUS RECEPTICUS AS GENUINE.

Lets settle the matter in Jesus's Own Words On The Cross

Matthew 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
47 Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.

The 1st Proof In verse 46. 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani'. This language is not pure Hebrew, nor Syriac, but a mixture of both, called commonly Syro-Chaldaic. This was probably the language which he commonly spoke.
The words are taken from Psalm 22:1. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?

Jesus was speaking a combined use of Aramaic and Syriac, which is the alleged foundation of the Aramaic from Chaldea where the present day Baith Catholic Church is located, in Syria and in Iraq. Jesus used the Hebrew name for God, El, and he added the possessive suffix, i. Thus, Eli, or "My God."

The 2nd Proof in the Matthew text above is found in verse 47 where the people standing by thought Jesus was calling to Elias, or Elijah, whose name means, Eli-Jah, or "My God, Yaweh." If Jesus had said, "Allah, Allah, etc etc" the bystanders would not have been able to make the association with Elias in any way, shape, or form!.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

15 December 2010 at 01:29  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals 14 December 2010 12:47

"Jews and Arabs are all really children of Abraham," says Harry Ostrer, M.D., Director of the Human Genetics Program at New York University School of Medicine, an author of the new study by an international team of researchers in the United States, Europe, and Israel. "And all have preserved their Middle Eastern genetic roots over 4,000 years," he says.

This is just complete rubbish and he should be ashamed to have stated such an unscientific statement.

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TELLING ME THAT EVERY JEW AND ARAB ONLY HAVE DESCENDANCY THROUGH ABRAHAM. JUST ONE QUESTION, WHAT ABOUT LOT'S (ABRAHAM'S NEPHEW) DESCENDENTS. HE WAS NOT BORN OF ABRAHAM.
THIS IS TOO STUPID TO ANSWER. YOU ARE TALKING UNSCIENTIFIC RUBBISH AND SO IS HE!

Matthew 7 21-23 KING JAMES VERSION

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Iniquity means ; an absence of moral or spiritual values;

SO SAYS KING OF HIGHCS

15 December 2010 at 01:45  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals 4 December 2010 13:28

'The evidence is that this idea gained a firm hold amongst second and third century church leaders. Hippolytus (said to have died about A.D. 235) refined it in a work entitled Treatise on Christ and Antichrist. His idea was that this "vessel of Satan" would:

This is Non Biblical and if Hippolytus stated this ( you paraphrase in your own words 'His Idea' or is this the interpretation of 'http://www.bibleinthenews.com/home/view_print.php?id_pag=260') he was WRONG..He is NOT Inspired or any other men as all SCRIPTURE CLOSED WITH REVELATION 22;21
21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Nowhere in the Holy Bible is Antichrist even stated as '* Gather the Hebrew people from their dispersion, Promise to restore their country, Establish again their kingdom and nation. ONLY GOD STATES HE WILL DO THIS THING!

ANTICHRIST IS WORSHIPPED BY ALL MEN ON EARTH WHO DO NOT BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST AS MESSIAH/GOD (MOSLEMS ETC,) BUT THE JEWS DO NOT WORSHIP HIM AS GOD. THEY REJECT HIM AS HE SETS UP HIMSELF AS GOD IN THE FUTURE TEMPLE AND FORCES THEM TO WORSHIP AN IMAGE OF HIMSELF AS GOD. HE IS YOUR AWAITED MADHI, IS HE NOT?

YOU SEE, HOW CAN YOU ASK ME TO SEE MOSLEMS AS BELIEVERS WHEN YOU WILL WORSHIP SATAN'S EMISSARY AS YOUR MESSIAH.
WE, JEWS AND CHRISTIANS ARE NOT LINKED IN ANYWAY TO ISLAM!!!

SO SAYS KINGOFHIGHCS

15 December 2010 at 02:00  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals 14 December 2010 18:42

Mr. K, in the Koran, the prophets, the angels were shown to be wise and sure of themselves. In the bible, they were shown to be not that wise, confused, hasty and unsure of themselves. Some descriptions of god are also likewise. How could this be? Can we rely on those who are easily confused, quite wicked and not even taken seriously by those who are close to them?

THE BIBLE STATES GOD'S DEALINGS WITH SPECIFIC MEN/WOMEN THROUGHOUT HISTORY..WHAT THEY SAID AND DID. WHAT GOD SAID AND DID.
IT DOES NOT MEAN THESE PEOPLE WERE RIGHT!!

SO SAYS KINGOFHIGHCS

15 December 2010 at 02:04  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals 14 December 2010 19:08

Genesis 22:2
2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.”

Genesis 18;1-19
1: And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
2: And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
3: And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
4: Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
5: And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
6: And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
7: And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
8: And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
9: And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.
10: And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.
11: Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.
12: Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?
13: And the LORD said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?
14: Is any thing too hard for the LORD? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.
15: Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.
16: And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom: and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
17: And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
18: Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
19: For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the LORD, to do justice and judgment; that the LORD may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.

Isaac was THE PROMISED SON, not Ishmael but as God is a JUST GOD he still Blessed ISHMAEL as his birth was not of his own choosing but the fault of ABRAHAM AND SARAH FOR NOT TRUSTING THE LORD TO HONOUR HIS PROMISE.

SO SAYS KINGOFHIGHCS

Rather than ANNOY HIS GRACE by our taking up HIS BLOG, I hope we can now bring our DISCOURSE to an end as you appear to still not understand that Jews and Christians believe most conclusively in a DIFFERENT GOD than ALLAH. HE IS NOT OUR GOD WE TRUST IN.
It Appears Fruitless and Neverending!

Best Wishes to you in the Highlands of MALAY and I hope I have helped correct some confusion about what Christians Believe?

KINGOFHIGHCS

15 December 2010 at 02:25  
Anonymous srizals said...

"while the name of the Moon-god was Sin."

And 'sin' in English would be? Isn't is obvious?

'Al' in Arabic is like the definite article 'the', 'Lah' would be God, so just like in the bible, 'the God, your Lord'. A coincidence Mr. K?

Ok, this is an archeological discovery of a paganism deviation from the true Creator as far as I'm concerned. Now, please quote any Islamic text, based on the Koran or 'Al Qur'an' or the saying of the Prophet indicating the attributes of God, His true nature and attributes that resembles the moon or the moon god to confirm those discoveries.

Man, through time and time has shown tendency to 'elect' or 'erect' gods of their own, most of the time other 'humans' as 'gods'. The Greek done it, the Romans, the sons and daughters of gods are the manifestation of paganism. That is why Muhammad was sent to purify the Arabs and mankind in general from submitting themselves to false gods. Look at what happened at the people who chose to submit themselves to man in Russia, China and Cambodia.

'The God' is specific. The God is unseen, not of earthly bound nor as same as His creations nor created by the hands of His creations, what more has offspring which is the major attribute of all creations, weaken by this need, at the same time being blessed by this need.

'The God' or Allah does not possess any of His creations' attributes. This is what makes Islam different from any other. Like you said 'idol worshipers'.

Not unless you could provide some Islamic sources confirming the ugly stone statue with tattooed chest as Allah or 'The God' that was worshiped by Adam a.s. and his progeny of prophethood. Thanks.

15 December 2010 at 02:28  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals Said 15 December 2010 02:28

My Friend, I will try and answer you kindly as a final comment for you.

1.All my evidence (archeological, etc) I present to you will in no way make you reconsider WHY you believe Muhammed was Not Inspired By God, He had NO miracles or Prophecy to back up his claim as a PROPHET OF GOD, He took the Chief Diety of the Quairish Tribe (ALLAH) and made it GOD ONLY etc, etc.

All False worship is FORBIDDEN BY GOD if it is NOT directed TO HIM and HIM ONLY..Greeks, Romans, Arabs etc.FALSE IDOL GODS ARE FALSE IDOL GODS NO MATTER WHO ERECTS THEM.

''The God' or Allah does not possess any of His creations' attributes. This is what makes Islam different from any other. Like you said 'idol worshipers'. ' A FALSE GOD, ALLAH, IS AN IDOL AS IT IS NOT THE TRUE GOD..HE IS CALLED THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISACC AND JACOB..SIMPLE !!!!!!!!!

'Not unless you could provide some Islamic sources confirming the ugly stone statue with tattooed chest as Allah or 'The God' that was worshiped by Adam a.s. and his progeny of prophethood. Thanks.'

Foolish question..Analogy..Do you thing that the Roman Catholic Church has Catholic Sources confirming it is BLASPHEMY to WORSHIP STATUES.. GET REAL SRIZALS..A False Faith tries to preserve its existence not END IT by declaring its Declarations FALSE.???
SO WHY WOULD MUHAMMED AND THE KORAN BE ANY DIFFERENT..

I have declared my WORKMANSHIP BEFORE MY LORD AND GOD, JESUS CHRIST, TO YOU, THAT I KNOW HIM AND more importantly, I KNOW WHY I KNOW AND TRUST IN HIM AND HIM ONLY!!!
GOOD NIGHT NOW..

KINGOFHIGHCS

15 December 2010 at 02:51  
Anonymous srizals said...

Thank you Mr. K, you have endured me and your patience is a virtue, it will be proven helpful one day for you.

Even though most of my questions were unanswered, I'm deeply grateful for the new insight you have given me. You have my respect. Others would have used elegant silence in dealing with the likes of me, most, sheer arrogance.

One last question if I may if not so much of a trounble, if the Palestinian Muslims were considered as the followers of Satan and thus condemned to maltreatment by the Beloved Chosen People of god, what about the Christian Palestinians? Are they considered as heretics too for not bowing to the Chosen People as they should have? Only this I ask of you. We will never cross path again. This is my promise if you willingly answer my final question. Thank you very much.

15 December 2010 at 08:50  
Anonymous srizals said...

As for the proof of Allah was and is the God of Adam a.s. I only have these verses from the Koran as my proof.

The Cow
With the name of Allah, the All-Merciful, the Very-Merciful.
[2:25]
And give good news to those who believe and do righteous deeds that for them there are gardens beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are given a fruit from there to eat, they will say, “This is what we have been given before”; and they will be given (fruits) resembling one another. And for them there shall be wives purified; and there they will live forever.
[2:26]
Indeed, Allah does not feel shy in citing any parable, be it that of a gnat or of something above it (in meanness). Now, as for those who believe, they know it is the truth from their Lord; while those who disbelieve say, “What could Allah have meant by this parable?” By this He lets many go astray, and by this He makes many find guidance. But He does not let anyone go astray thereby except those who are sinful
[2:27]
- those who break the Covenant of Allah after it has been made binding, and cut off the relations Allah has commanded to be joined, and spread disorder on the earth - it is these who are the losers.
[2:28]
“How is it that you deny Allah, while you were lifeless and He gave you life; then He will make you die, and then He will make you live again, and then to Him you will be returned?
[2:29]
It is He who created for you all that the earth contains; then He turned to the heavens and made them seven skies - and He is the knower of all things.
[2:30]
(Remember) when your Lord said to the angels, “I am going to create a deputy on the earth!” They said, “Will You create there one who will spread disorder on the earth and cause bloodshed, while we proclaim Your purity, along with your praise, and sanctify Your name?” He said, “Certainly, I know what you know not.”
[2:31]
And He taught ’Ādam the names, all of them; then presented them before the angels, and said, “Tell me their names, if you are right.”
[2:32]
They said, “To You belongs all purity! We have no knowledge except what You have given us. Surely, You alone are the All-knowing, All-wise.”
[2:33]
He said, “O ’Ādam, tell them the names of all these.” When he told them their names, Allah said, “Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of the skies and of the earth, and that I know what you disclose and what you conceal.
[2:34]
And when We said to the angels: “Prostrate yourselves before ’Ādam!” So, they prostrated themselves, all but Iblīs (Satan). He refused, and became one of the infidels.

15 December 2010 at 09:15  
Anonymous srizals said...

[2:35]
And We said, “O ’Ādam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise; and eat at pleasure wherever you like, but do not go near this tree, otherwise you will be (counted) among the transgressors.”
[2:36]
Then, Satan caused them to slip from it, and brought them out of where they had been. And We said, “Go down, all of you, some of you the enemies of others; and on the earth there will be for you a dwelling place and enjoyment for a time.”
[2:37]
Then ’Ādam learned certain words (to pray with) from his Lord; so, Allah accepted his repentance. No doubt, He is the Most-Relenting, the Very-Merciful.
[2:38]
We said, “Go down from here, all of you. Then, should some guidance come to you from Me, those who follow My guidance shall have no fear, nor shall they grieve.
[2:39]
As for those who disbelieve, and deny Our signs, they are the people of the Fire. They shall dwell in it forever.”
[2:40]
O Children of Isrā’īl (the Israelites), remember My blessing that I conferred upon you, and fulfill the covenant with Me, and I shall fulfill your covenant, and have awe of Me alone.
[2:41]
And have faith in what I have revealed, confirming what is already with you, and do not be the first to deny it, nor take a paltry price for My verses. Fear Me alone.
[2:42]
and do not confound truth with falsehood, and do not hide the truth when you know (it).
[2:43]
And be steadfast in Salāh (prayer), and pay Zakāh, and bow down with those who bow down.
[2:44]
Do you enjoin righteousness upon others while you ignore your own selves, although you keep reciting the Book? Have you then no sense?
[2:45]
Seek help through patience and prayer. It is indeed exacting, but not for those who are humble in their hearts,
[2:46]
who bear in mind that they are to meet their Lord, and that to Him they are to return.

15 December 2010 at 09:17  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Dear Srizals 15 December 2010 08:50

You state 'Even though most of my questions were unanswered ( I answered them but you REFUSE to SEE OR HEAR THEM),'
One last question if I may if not so much of a trounble, if the Palestinian Muslims were considered as the followers of Satan and thus condemned to maltreatment by the Beloved Chosen People of god, what about the Christian Palestinians? Are they considered as heretics too for not bowing to the Chosen People as they should have? Only this I ask of you. We will never cross path again. This is my promise if you willingly answer my final question. Thank you very much.

1.Not all people who say they are Christians are Christians. Most Arab Christians are Nestorians who deny Christ is Messiah' TRULY GOD, TRULY MAN, God's Only Redeemer/Saviour'. How is this Different from Roman Catholicism who believe in a Different Christ? If a 'Christian?' states this, how can THEY be a 'Follower of Christ' because you must believe ALL that Christ declares about himself or The Holy Bible declares of HIM! Two Must Be in Agreement to Walk Together!!!
Irrespective of you calling them Christians,it is irrelevant you say 'Christians' as All men should be free from persecution.

Tariq Aziz claims to be Christian yet was complicit (knew and said nothing) in the murder of Muslims, Shia and Sunni,Kurds etc by Sadam Hussein as his right hand man, and his regime..How can he be a Christian.?

The real question is, Are not the Christian Palestinians treated poorly by Palestinian Muslims also as revealed by our Western Media..They are treated then, no differently as you claim by Israel. ALL people should be peaceful and kind towards each other but Israel/Palestinians problem is a complex problem that can not just be detailed and solved, glibbly, in one paragraph.!

This problem we all suffer Regarding Land in Israel/Palestine was created by the Arab's hatred for the Jewish people, (Arabs believe they are 'The Chosen through Ishmael now, not Isaac as stated in the Qu'ran, A New Revelation From God). Arabs should have let them have THEIR piece of Land as given them by League of Nations and UN after removing the Turkish Ottoman Empire after World War 1.. Land was given to Arabs too but still Arabs even refused to accept this massive land asssigned specifically to them under International Law!. Remember That The Ottoman Empire controlled all the Middle East as IT'S Provinces and NOT Sovereign Arab States!!)

Sorry Srizals, the problems are solveable but Arabs hate the Jews too much to ever agree to this..This is why most Christians know it to be near impossible. A solution involves COMPROMISE which Arabs ( or muslims everywhere) will never agree to, SO THE PROBLEM CONTINUES?

Be in Peace

SO SAYS KINGOFHIGHCS

15 December 2010 at 14:17  
Anonymous srizals said...

Thank you Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS, I'm indebted to you. Thank you also your grace for allowing me a space for my quest of understanding the West.

As for Iraq, sadly they haven't learnt their lesson. No Muslim can kill his fellow human unjustly and expect no punishment will befall him in this worldly life. What more a nation. Their solution instead is more killings as if Allah is with them. But like a Somali pirate said in an interview with a brave Denmark journalist, one does not think much of religion when one is a villain.

For this I understand how one has earned his place in the Fire for a time or eternity.

As for Palestine, the same rules apply. Some Muslims then, had abandoned the brotherhood and fell to the deceptions of the British and forgotten the reminder from Allah in the Koran that they read daily. With unity that turned to hostility between the Turks and Arabs back then, the covenant was broken and Muslims were alone against so many without God on their side. So we are stuck with it unless we can remedy the obvious mistake of reading the Koran without understanding and with it, implementation. With all the luxuries that still blinded some of them, I'm afraid the solution is not in a near future. It is the same old story of the haves and have-nots. Only Muslims themselves can remedy the wrongs of their past. The only question is, are they willing to suffer for it and pleases God instead of dishonest men and regain their honour once more. But the grudges will fuel more hatred and peace cannot be expected for all of us, what more of those who got their hands dirty in the first place.

But make no mistake. The true believers among them will endure and Insya Allah, be stronger than ever. As for the not so true, hopefully they'll come to their senses.

As for me, overturning lies n hate is a path that I have to take.
Thank you for your time.

15 December 2010 at 18:44  

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