Friday, December 24, 2010

O Holy Night

The birth of the Son of God was heralded by the Angel of the Lord, accompanied by the Shekinah, the Glory of God, and was followed by a multitude of the Heavenly Host singing praises. Hallelujah!

And for whose benefit was this magnificent display?

Kings? Presidents? Politicians? Religious leaders?

No, it was all for a few lowly shepherds – humble, poor, obscure and unnamed rustics of whom nothing more is heard in Scripture thereafter. While today’s puffed-up prelates court the wealthy, famous and influential, so today’s wealthy, famous and influential seek out the privileged counsel, private chapels and grand palaces of those same prelates for displays of religiosity.

But not these shepherds. No, the Lord deemed them worthy because they were lowly. They were not body-beautiful celebrities, gifted communicators, powerful decision makers or authoritative opinion formers; they were simply ordinary men, and the Lord chose them to be among the first to know that the Christ was born; that the Messiah had entered history; that the Son of God had come to redeem mankind - Immanuel.

Hail the heav'n-born Prince of Peace!
Hail the Son of Righteousness!
Light and life to all He brings
Ris'n with healing in His wings
Mild He lays His glory by
Born that man no more may die
Born to raise the sons of earth
Born to give them second birth
Hark! The herald angels sing
"Glory to the newborn King!"

And as we spend the coming months praying that our Coalition Government would govern wisely and compassionately, it is apposite to reflect that one day the Government will be upon His shoulder.

The real deliverer and the real fulfillment of the needs of humanity is human, one of us, flesh of our flesh. He is born to rule, born to be a king, conceived of the house and lineage of David. His name is Wonderful – a mystery of divinity in humanity; Counsellor – the oracle of wisdom; the mighty God – the Word was not just with God, but was God; the Everlasting Father – not the same person as the Father, but of one substance with the Father; the Prince of Peace – bringing a peace that passes understanding.

Cranmer wishes all of his readers and communicants a blessed, joyful and peaceful Christmas.

198 Comments:

Blogger OldSlaughter said...

And to you your Grace.

24 December 2010 at 18:25  
Blogger John M Ward said...

As for "O Holy Night", I have what I believe to be one of the very versions of that wonderful carol here (third video, but do also watch the other two!) sung by our own Michael Crawford and some real angels.

24 December 2010 at 18:29  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

Season's greetings, Your Grace and may you know real peace in 2011.

24 December 2010 at 18:51  
Blogger Daddy said...

Happy Christmas, Your Grace.

It is indeed apposite to remind ourselves of the source of governance of the in day of days that is to come, when the Lord returns.

May we be ready. Happy Christmas, fellow communicants all.

24 December 2010 at 18:55  
Blogger OldSouth said...

A most Merry Christmas to you, Your Grace, with thanks for the wisdom you share with us throughout the year.

O God, who makest us glad with the yearly remembrance of the birth of thy only son, Jesus Christ: Grant that as we joyfully receive him for our redeemer, so we may with sure confidence behold him, when he shall come to be our judge; who liveth and reigneth with thee and the Holy Spirit, one God, world without end.

24 December 2010 at 18:56  
Blogger Chelliah Laity said...

Merry Xmas Your Grace. I pray for the day when the birth of Christ is celebrated at this time of the year rather than consumerism.

24 December 2010 at 19:16  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

A Merry Christmas to Your Grace and even to Professor Dawkins ➡

24 December 2010 at 19:33  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Your Grace

I thought the 'BBC Post' would be your last post today.

What a truly wonderful, thoughtful and surprising piece to present before us to remember that God is NOT like man but does things completely differently to US or how we, in our puffed up way, think He SHOULD do it.

'And as we spend the coming months praying that our Coalition Government would govern wisely and compassionately, it is apposite to reflect that one day the Government will be upon His shoulder. '

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN

Peace and Goodwill towards ALL Men.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

24 December 2010 at 19:41  
Anonymous len said...

The birth of The Son of God was announced to the shepherds who were tending the lambs who were to sacrificed in the Temple.
Jesus came as our sacrificial lamb to atone for the sins of Humanity,to be a mediator between fallen man and a Holy God.
This is God`s plan,God`s only plan to redeem Humanity for all who will accept Christ`s atonement and God`s Grace.

24 December 2010 at 19:48  
Blogger Angus said...

A Merry Christmas to you all;

And may God bless every one of us.

Yours in Dno,
Angus

24 December 2010 at 20:18  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Len Said 24 December 2010 19:48

A lovely little reflection on the Birth of Our Lord and His humble surroundings.

God's peace to you and your family, Len.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

24 December 2010 at 20:18  
Blogger Pinth_Garnell said...

Hope to avoid the unpleasantness of seeing shirtless acrobats running at all hours through St. Peter's.

24 December 2010 at 20:41  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Thanks Cranny. And the same to you, and all your readers.

24 December 2010 at 20:45  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Happy Christmas, Your Grace. Thank you for sharing your brilliance with us this year!

The best of Holy Days to all who post here.

24 December 2010 at 20:54  
Blogger William said...

Thank you for the light that you bring to bear Your Grace and happy Christmas to everyone. May the Light of the World shine on us all.

24 December 2010 at 20:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Blessed Christmas to all.

hg

24 December 2010 at 21:00  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Thank you for this wonderfully uplifting & edifying post. And for all your consistently thoughtful, challenging & erudite writing - which is often more meat & drink for my soul than what I receive from the pulpit.

A very joyous Christmas to you and yours, and to all the regular band of communicants.

"When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherds said to one another, “Let’s go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened, which the Lord has told us about ...
The shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things they had heard and seen, which were just as they had been told.”

24 December 2010 at 21:45  
Blogger Ariadne said...

From the sublime - to the ultramodern, not forgetting our Allied armed forces: Merry Christmas and Peace.

24 December 2010 at 23:33  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Mery Christmas to you and yours, Your Grace. God bless us one and all ... and srizals too!

24 December 2010 at 23:43  
Anonymous PJ said...

Some thoughtfull words as always.
Happy Christmas to Your Grace and all his communicants

25 December 2010 at 00:00  
Anonymous IanCad said...

'Cranmer wishes all of his readers and communicants a blessed, joyful and peaceful Christmas.'
Same to you YG.

25 December 2010 at 01:04  
Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

Just returned from Midnight Mass (where the snow lay round about, deep and crisp and absolutely freezing, lol) and discovered this post written by Cranmer. A serendipity indeed. A peaceful and joyful Christmas to you too Your Grace.

25 December 2010 at 01:14  
Anonymous not a machine said...

How strange this seeking christ is , on my way home I had to pass the very same pubs and clubs which were once my hallowed temples of christmas , or many other weekends come to that. I watched as the pubs churned out there stumbling occupents and worshippers , celebrating christmas , but not truely understanding or believeing .Some of my prayers went to them , for the story lives in us and christ is our mediator .

A good christmas to all.

25 December 2010 at 02:23  
Anonymous Hank said...

Merry Christmas, your Grace. Thank you for your ministry.

25 December 2010 at 02:26  
Anonymous Sydneysider said...

Wonderful
Counsellor
The Mighty God
The Everlasting Father
The Prince of Peace

Merry Xmas Your Grace

25 December 2010 at 04:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Merry Christmas and a Joyous New Year to you.

Thank you for your writings and may your troubles be minor and Christ be with you.

Chris

25 December 2010 at 07:40  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Merry Chrismas, Your Grace. And the same to all your communicants.

25 December 2010 at 08:51  
Anonymous len said...

A Blessed Christmas Your Grace and a special thanks for all the thought provoking articles you have presented during the Year.

25 December 2010 at 08:58  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Here's a Christmas message from the religion of peace.

On the side bar they give you a jolly Islamic rendition of the Twelve Days of Christmas with added bonus days.

The disclaimer at the bottom of the page is a hoot.

25 December 2010 at 09:45  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Sacrificial lamb?
Weren't many of the followers of Jesus vegetarian?

25 December 2010 at 11:08  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Your Grace.
May the Lord bless you for all you have achieved world wide for Him this year.
May the Lord keep ALL those who post, and your families safe & well this Christmas.
To my fellow believers, don't fall asleep at this time, the enemy is always at war & loves a chance for a surprise attack. Keep Praying!

Love & peace to you all.

Preacher.

25 December 2010 at 11:26  
Blogger Autonomous Mind said...

Just to wish Your Grace and your loved ones a very Merry Christmas and a Happy and peaceful New Year.

25 December 2010 at 11:50  
Blogger margaretkiaora said...

Filey Parish wishes you a blessed Christmas and looks forward to your posts in the next year.

25 December 2010 at 12:24  
Anonymous JayBee said...

Thanks for your Christmas message YG and for all your postings.

Happy Christmas to everyone.

25 December 2010 at 12:33  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Your Grace, again you show your considerable theological understanding. However have you ever considered that you may have almost completely missed the very real point of it ALL?

Jesus considered himself to be the king of kings, not a king of the poor.

Could it be that he was simply using the words of a revolutionary prince seeking what he had good reason to believe was his rightful place at the head of The Royal Families of Judea, and the surrounding area?

(For those who believe not, maybe you should try reading your Bible a little more attentively?)

A divinely inspired politician in other words, speaking the same types of words all other prospective leaders used at the time, and at all other times before and since.

Of course the words could have swiftly changed, as is the long held tradition with all other democratically elected, or otherwise, political leaders, shortly after they actually gain absolute power.

Oliver Cromwell, FDR, George Bush, Barack Obama, Fidel Castro, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, Adolf Hitler, Lenin, and now David Cameron, being just 10 more recent notable examples that spring to mind.

All royal families consider themselves to be of the House of David, which is in turn derived from the classical Egyptian/Greek/Roman ruling elite monarchies.

Our own Queen of England not in anyway being an exception to this golden rule. Indeed she believes herself to be a distant relative of Jesus Christ himself, therefore a Princes of Egypt.

I do not profess to know the whole truth concerning this matter, or any other matter come to that, I was not to my knowledge around at the time taking notes.

( Come to think about it, I must have been at least around, someone had to have been holding up this perfectly pointless lump of spinning rock. However I do remember having a rather bad hang-over for that particular few thousand years, so most of that time was a bit of a blur.)

I do however know for sure that the above is most certainly what the Royal families of Europe, and their priest-hoods believe to be the case.

The compelling evidence for this is so well documented and numerous that I can state the above as an absolute fact, without any fear of contradiction, alcohol induced fuzzy thinking or not.

25 December 2010 at 16:57  
Blogger DP111 said...

Oh Holy Night.

Cantique de Noël - Jonas Kaufmann

Here is an interesting example of a singer who sings in two languages, one after the other. He sings the first part in the original French (not his native language), then switches to his native German. His voice in the first part is good, and the words are clear. But listen to what happens when he changes language. Suddenly the tone is more plangent, more resonant, the words more heartfelt, the high notes thrilling.

Is this because he is more at ease in his native tongue, or because he wanted to build up in power as he progressed? (Or did the engineer turn up the volume on the second part?)

Kaufmann is one of today's best-known German tenors who sings in different languages. The video is from the 2008 Dresden Adventskonzert.

http://galliawatch.blogspot.com/

25 December 2010 at 17:56  
Anonymous len said...

Atlas,
I was going to reply to your post,but will probably leave it to a more appropriate time!.

25 December 2010 at 19:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A special Christmas wish to Graham Davies.

25 December 2010 at 19:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm sorry, correction: Davis

25 December 2010 at 19:57  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Anonymous said 25 December 2010 19:54

'A special Christmas wish to Graham Davis.'

AGREED. Even if the thought probably horrifies him.
Maybe he is truly seeking or why visit this blog?

He won't be the first or the last atheist to believe on the Lord Jesus and be saved. My favourite Bible teacher was Roger Price who was an atheist before he believed on Our Wonderful Lord and God. He made scripture come wonderfully alive.
Who Knows ?

Matthew 19:25-26
'
25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.'

May the Lord bless him with His greatest gift to Men..FAITH IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

25 December 2010 at 20:54  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Len I shall await your reply with great interest. Although replying to something after the rain has washed away the chalk, may be a little tricky.

The Bible both new, and old testaments are an interesting read, to say the very least.

It is very possible to take them both on both an almost entirely literal, as well as a wholly spiritual, or in other words cosmological, or scientific level.

This is not in any way surprising or indeed overly original. However The Bible is a master-piece in all sorts of ways, which easily surpasses all else from before or since.

The Bible was written by people who clearly possessed what would have been at the time, the very highest possible level of scientific understanding. The Bible is as much of a history of science, as it is also a history book, telling what turned out to be a very important story.

The manner by which these priest-hoods so cleverly interwove pagan cosmology with the life and times of Jesus is truly sublime.

The Bible either had direct divine, spiritual or extra-terrestrial influence, or the people who wrote it had the talents, and knowledge of the gods. Which of course could actually mean the same thing.

If we are to assume that Jesus was a historical character. Given that the available evident strongly suggests that he was. Then we should ask ourselves, who exactly was this Jesus Christ person? Should we not?

I mean, some of you may prefer not to bother, as is your right. This possibly incase you find out something that may not perfectly coincide with your priests, or Bishops propaganda or your own personal preferences.

However others may wish to know as much of the TRUTH as is humanly possible, as should be also their right.

For you can be as sure as eggs is most surely eggs, that our real masters know more of the truth then they ever had the intention of letting you or me on to. Thus, the creation and therefore existent of The RCC, and many, many others.

But we need not look very far to find out who Jesus was, what he was up to, and why he was up to it.

For the man himself tells us all of these things, and in often quite simple and straight forward ways, using his own reported words and actions. Where Jesus himself does not actually do so, his biblical biographers do so time, and time again.

The problem here is not Jesus, it is us.

We don't actually read the book, and often when we do, we either don't read it properly, or through very misty rose colored spectacles, or we totally rely on our self-interested priest-hoods to interpret it for us.

There is little point reading War and Peace, if your mind is barely up to understanding Janet and John. As my English teacher was so very fond of repeatedly stating.

My wife for example truly believes that she understands The Simpsons.

Yet I know she does not understand even half of it, otherwise she would not be laughing at all.

25 December 2010 at 21:46  
Anonymous Tony B said...

Merry Christmas, everyone.

25 December 2010 at 22:35  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

Happy Fault of Adam that we may become Sons of God.

25 December 2010 at 22:40  
Anonymous PJ said...

Atlas Shrugged, you have opened up a whole can of worms, and lead me to research I never though I would undertake before. Like Len, I will reply in a further post. In the meantime Happy Christmas

25 December 2010 at 22:43  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Atlas shrug

Such pride.

25 December 2010 at 22:46  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

KINGOFHIGHCR

Amen, brother pilgrim.

25 December 2010 at 22:50  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Atlas Shrugged said 25 December 2010 21:46

Part 1 response

LET'S GET THE BALL ROLLING FOR LEN, PJ AND OTHERS.

The Bible both new, and old testaments are an interesting read, to say the very least. ( 'are an interesting read, ' DEFINE WHAT YOU MEAN/COMPARED TO WHAT?. THEY ARE DIFFERENT FROM FICTION, NON FICTION AS THEY REVEAL WHAT MEN SAID AND DID AND WHAT GOD SAID AND DID IN RESPONSE TO THIS HISTORICALLY. THIS IS UNIQUE AND CANNOT BE SHOWN FROM OTHER LITERATURE , AGREED?)

It is very possible to take them both on both an almost entirely literal, as well as a wholly spiritual, or in other words cosmological, or scientific level. (DEFINE YOUR STATEMENT, HOW IS COSMOLOGY OR SCIENCE SPIRITUAL. IT IS A CREATED PHYSICAL STATE AND LAWS SET.)

This is not in any way surprising or indeed overly original. (HOW SO) However The Bible is a master-piece in all sorts of ways, ( YOU MAY NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU SAY IT, BUT IT IS. IF YOU DO, ELABORATE?) which easily surpasses all else from before or since.

The Bible was written by people who clearly possessed what would have been at the time, the very highest possible level of scientific understanding ( THEY DID NOT, THEY WERE SOME OF THE LOWLIEST PEOPLE IN TERMS OF LEARNING BUT THEY SPOKE THROUGH THE DIRECT INSPIRATION OF GOD. AS HE CREATED THE COSMOS, HOW COULD HE, GOD, SPEAK WRONGLY OF THE LAWS HE HIMSELF SET IN PLACE?). The Bible is as much of a history of science, as it is also a history book, telling what turned out to be a very important story. ( IT IS NOT A HISTORY OF SCIENCE, IT IS HIS DECLARATION OF HIMSELF AND HIS CREATION, NEITHER IS IT A HISTORY BOOK BUT DECLARES HIS HISTORICAL DEALINGS WITH STATED MEN AND EMPIRES SPECIFICALLY MENTIONED)

The manner by which these priest-hoods so cleverly interwove pagan cosmology with the life and times of Jesus is truly sublime. ( STATE WHAT YOU MEAN, THIS IS UNREASONABLE, UNDEFINED INFERENCE.)

The Bible either had direct divine (THIS IS WHAT ALL THE WRITERS OF THE HOLY BIBLE STATED INCLUDING PROPHETS AND APOSTLES DECLARED THROUGH THEIR WRITINGS), spiritual or extra-terrestrial influence, or the people who wrote it had the talents, and knowledge of the gods. (SEE ABOVE) Which of course could actually mean the same thing. ( WORSHIPPER OF VON DANIKEN,. I THOUGHT THIS RUBBISH WAS COMPLETELY DISCREDITED, OBVIOUSLY NOT?)

If we are to assume that Jesus was a historical character.( HE MOST DEFINITELY WAS) Given that the available evident strongly suggests that he was (AGREED). Then we should ask ourselves, who exactly was this Jesus Christ person? Should we not? (HE IS DECLARED THROUGHOUT THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS.HE WAS MESSIAH, FULLY GOD/FULLY MAN. THE BIBLE IS LITERALLY ALL ABOUT HIM FROM START TO FINISH AND OUR RELATIONSHIP TO HIM, WHETHER YOU ARE A BELIEVER OR AN UNBELIEVER !)

I mean, some of you may prefer not to bother, as is your right. This possibly incase you find out something that may not perfectly coincide with your priests, or Bishops propaganda or your own personal preferences. (HAVE THE COURAGE TO DEFINE WHAT YOU MEAN, SO WE CAN ANSWER YOU PROPERLY!)

However others may wish to know as much of the TRUTH as is humanly possible, as should be also their right. (HAVE THE COURAGE TO DEFINE WHAT YOU MEAN, SO WE CAN ANSWER YOU PROPERLY!)

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

25 December 2010 at 23:36  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Atlas Shrugged said 25 December 2010 21:46

Part 2 response

For you can be as sure as eggs is most surely eggs, that our real masters ( DEFINE THEM, WHO DO YOU THINK THEY ARE?) know more of the truth then they ever had the intention of letting you or me on to. Thus, the creation and therefore existent of The RCC, and many, many others.(HAVE THE COURAGE TO DEFINE WHAT YOU MEAN, SO WE CAN ANSWER YOU PROPERLY!)

But we need not look very far to find out who Jesus was, what he was up to, and why he was up to it. (HE IS DECLARED THROUGHOUT THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS.HE WAS MESSIAH, FULLY GOD/FULLY MAN. THE BIBLE IS LITERALLY ALL ABOUT HIM FROM START TO FINISH AND OUR RELATIONSHIP TO HIM, WHETHER YOU ARE A BELIEVER OR AN UNBELIEVER !)

For the man himself tells us all of these things, and in often quite simple and straight forward ways, using his own reported words and actions. Where Jesus himself does not actually do so, his biblical biographers do so time, and time again. (HAVE THE COURAGE TO DEFINE WHAT YOU MEAN, SO WE CAN ANSWER YOU PROPERLY!)

The problem here is not Jesus, it is us.

We don't actually read the book, and often when we do, we either don't read it properly,(DEFINE HOW WE ARE SUPPOSED TO READ IT, IN YOUR OPINION?) or through very misty rose colored spectacles, (WHAT DOES THIS MEAN) or we totally rely on our self-interested priest-hoods to interpret it for us.( THE BIBLE IS THERE FOR ALL MEN TO READ AND MAKE A DECISION ABOUT AS IT RELATES TO THEIR ETERNAL DESTINY, AS GOD HOLDS US ALL INDIVIDUALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT WE BELIEVE AND WHAT WE DO, AND WE MUST GIVE AN ACCOUNT OF OURSELVES IF WE STAND BEFORE THE GREAT WHITE THRONE. THANKFULLY, BELIEVERS DO NOT HAVE TO GIVE AN ACCOUNT AT THIS JUDGMENT AS THEY ARE SAVED FULLY BY JESUS CHRIST..THERE IS NO CONDEMNATION IN CHRIST JESUS!!!!!!)

There is little point reading War and Peace, if your mind is barely up to understanding Janet and John. (THIS IS A FOOLISH STATEMENT AS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT A VERY LARGE NOVEL THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE ENJOYED READING, WHAT IS YOUR INFERENCE. ) As my English teacher was so very fond of repeatedly stating.

My wife for example truly believes that she understands The Simpsons. (IS THIS THE EPITOME OF YOUR COMPARISON)

Yet I know she does not understand even half of it, (HOW DO YOU ' KNOW' WHAT THE WRITERS OF THE SIMPSON SERIES ARE FULLY TRYING TO SHOW BY THE IRRELEVANT/IRREVERENT BEHAVIOUR OF CARTOON CHARACTERS) otherwise she would not be laughing at all. (SO YOU KNOW BETTER THAN YOUR WIFE YET YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE FULL INTENTIONS OF IT'S WRITERS ARE?)

SO, ANSWER MY QUESTIONS WHERE I HAVE ASKED YOU TO DEFINE/ELABORATE!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

25 December 2010 at 23:41  
Anonymous PJ said...

KINGOFHIGHCS, Atlas Shrugged does raise some interesting points, however you are right, he is not fully clear, makes vague statements, and doesn't back up his claims with evidence.

25 December 2010 at 23:50  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

PJ said 25 December 2010 23:50

This is the problem with a philosophical approach to the questions of Life.

They are vague, use unsubstantiated arguments, hence their need to be vague and are at odds with the revealed truth as I have stated. God Himself and the writers of the Bible declare ALL and answer ALL reasonable questions that men may have in their hearts. These answers are unfortunately NOT what most men WANT to hear?

Interesting points need a defined argument/s to be able to be discussed properly or it becomes gibberish? Agreed?

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

26 December 2010 at 00:07  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

KINGOFHIGHCS said...But we need not look very far to find out who Jesus was, what he was up to, and why he was up to it. (HE IS DECLARED THROUGHOUT THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS.HE WAS MESSIAH, FULLY GOD/FULLY MAN. THE BIBLE IS LITERALLY ALL ABOUT HIM FROM START TO FINISH AND OUR RELATIONSHIP TO HIM, WHETHER YOU ARE A BELIEVER OR AN UNBELIEVER !)

Yes but the terms believer and unbeliever are rather like the use of words such as Jew and Gentile or Muslim and Kafir, they only have meaning if you follow that particular Cult.

In that they fit neatly into the plan that you are either with us or with the terrorists as Bush put it.

In other words, accept we are having a New Order of the Age Dictatorship Government like it or not.

That is what this post says that a certain Cult claims the Divine right to a World Dictatorship!

Who is it you ask?

Its a Lineage Claim, a tribe that thinks it can rule every other, a tribe that thinks God gave them a piece of real estate and they can be a Corporate Sole King over a World of Debtors.

Let me think...

26 December 2010 at 00:20  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Oh wait, its come to me, yes its a fraudulant crime syndicate full of shit.

But I am naming no names since the mounting evidence is still only alleged at this point :-D

26 December 2010 at 00:27  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Yes but the terms believer and unbeliever ( Believer is a individual who places their trust in something, whereas an unbeliever disagrees in placing trust in that defined something, hence climate change believer or climate change unbeliever. The argument is defined by the full acceptance of that staement if it is TRUE and it be must be VERIFIABLE. The argument is verified by the object in QUESTION) are rather like the use of words such as Jew ( DEFINED AS a physical descendant of ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB) and Gentile (NOT OF RACIAL DESCENT OF JEWS!) or Muslim ( BELIEVER OF A MAN WHO CREATED HIS OWN RELIGION, SUPPOSEDLY BY ANGEL GABRIEL, DECLARING HIMSELF A PROPHET BUT NO SIGNS OF MIRACLES OR PROPHECY TO BACK IT UP!!) and Kafir (SOMEBODY WHO REFUSES TO ACCEPT THE CLAIM OF MOHAMMED AND THEREFORE ISLAM!,) they only have meaning if you follow that particular Cult. ( I HAVE DEFINED AND ANSWERED YOUR STATEMENT)

In that they fit neatly into the plan that you are either with us or with the terrorists as Bush put it. (WHAT HAS GEORGE W BUSH GOT TO DO WITH MY ANSWER?)

In other words, accept we are having a New Order of the Age Dictatorship Government like it or not.(PROBABLY BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS CHRIST AND HIS KINGDOM)

That is what this post says that a certain Cult claims the Divine right to a World Dictatorship! (IT SAYS NOTHING OF THE SORT AS YOU ARE WRONGLY INFERRING!)

Who is it you ask? (OH..DO TELL, WITHOUT USING INDIRECT REFERENCE)

Its a Lineage Claim, a tribe that thinks it can rule every other, a tribe that thinks God gave them a piece of real estate and they can be a Corporate Sole King over a World of Debtors. (OH...YOU DID!)

Let me think...(PLEASE FEEL FREE TO, BUT THINK HARDER AND MORE LOGICALLY TO BACK UP YOUR STATEMENTS)

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

26 December 2010 at 00:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Please sign a worldwide petition to free Asia Bibi. She should have been home with her family this Christmas. Remember her in your prayers and make calls to your politicans to help free this Christian woman.

26 December 2010 at 00:48  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

KINGOFHIGHCS said...
The argument is verified by the object in QUESTION) are rather like the use of words such as Jew ( DEFINED AS a physical descendant of ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB) and Gentile (NOT OF RACIAL DESCENT OF JEWS!)

So all other races are Gentiles whether they believe it or not because those who claim to be Jews say so and have convinced you to believe in their cult!

Where do the rest of us free minded folk fit into this Divine Right to have a World Dictator Government then?

Like you told Atlas Shrugged...
For you can be as sure as eggs is most surely eggs, that our real masters ( DEFINE THEM, WHO DO YOU THINK THEY ARE?)

Go do some thinking yourself and come back when you can name names because we want this criminal network to face trial :-D

26 December 2010 at 01:00  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Bred in the bone said 26 December 2010 01:00

Please read my statement again, the whole point is you are talking about things that are defineable as opposed to your wrong inference's. You are trying to define a square as round without considering the truth of what a square looks as opposed to a round shape. Your comment is WRONG and I have set out your wrongful references.

THIS IS HOW JEWS IS DEFINED OR GENTILES..I AM NOT DESCENDED FROM ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB..NO GENTILE CAN BE...DO YOU UNDERSTAND???????????

So all other races are Gentiles whether they believe it or not because those who claim to be Jews say so and have convinced you to believe in their cult!(YOU ARE TALKING UTTER FOOLISHNESS OR YOU TRULY DO NOT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH!!!)

MAYBE YOUR SUPPOSED "UNDEFINED BODY OF CRIMINALS" DO NEED TO FACE TRIAL, BUT FOR SANITY'S SAKE, STATE WHO ON EARTH YOU ARE SAYING THEY ARE, IN "PLAIN ENGLISH"

IT IS NOT POSSIBLE FOR ME TO SHOW YOU MORE CONCISELY, YOU ARE WRONG.!!!!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

26 December 2010 at 01:12  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Bred In The Bone said 26 December 2010 01:00

Alright, lets have one last stab at it, to help you understand'

Let me try and explain logically and legally what the term Jew relates to and how we are not Jews but Gentiles.

The Jews have 3 distinct relatives (ABRAHAM, ISAAC AND JACOB) that they can show relate to their heritage and ancestory..ALL JEWS ARE DESCENDED FROM THESE THREE, LEGALLY BY GENAOLOGY. THEY ARE THEIR GREAT,GREAT, GREAT, GREAT, ETC..You get the point, YES?

Let me, humbly, try to show you in a parable ( I am not the Lord Jesus but will try as best I can to lay this alongsides what I have already stated to you) OK.

You, MR BRED IN THE BONE, have an estate that has been in your family for 4 thousand years and you real name is John Foolishly.
I come along and claim I am also Foolishly and a member of the family.

You would rightly ask me to prove I am legally a member of the right of inheritance of this Ancestral Property and you rightly ask me to prove I am.

I must produce legal documents showing I am foolishly also and making a claim on your family inheritance. (THIS IS A COMMON REQUIREMENT UNDER EVERY LAW IN THE WORLD!!!!)

If I cannot prove this, So I am not a Foolishly member of your line of descendent, as such therefore, I am proved to be descended from someone else..

The Jews can prove this, I cannot, hence, they are Jews and the term used in English to define that I am not Jewish by DESCENDANCY is (yes, you've got it) GENTILE..

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND.????????

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

26 December 2010 at 01:46  
Anonymous bluedog said...

A very Merry Christmas to Your Grace and to each and every communicant and reader of these remarkable posts. Apologies for a belated message, other devotions intervened!

26 December 2010 at 01:53  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Eman said 25 December 2010 22:50

Sorry Eman, Busy responding to Atlas Shrugged and Bred in the bone..

May the peace of The Lord be with you this Christmas and the coming year..I feel certain it will be difficult times ahead in 2011 for our Nation.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

26 December 2010 at 02:41  
Anonymous len said...

Atlas,
The question you pose is so complex and so deep that I could write a book,or several books as a way of explanation.
The Truth about Jesus Christ is buried under heaps of Rubbish piled on by unscrupulous men who hijacked the simple Gospel of Jesus Christ for their own lust for power,wealth and control.
However if you dig deep and long enough you will find the Truth.
There are people throughout History who have searched for the Truth about Christ and found it,"You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all your heart(Jeremiah 29:13)

This also will mean discarding all the rubbish which can only be achieved with Divine help!
"But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come."

You can only hear the Spirits voice when you have a born again,revived Spirit in tune with God`s Spirit.
So the whole process of knowing the Truth is given by a Divine Revelation, revealed by God and not an intellectual process,because our soul is so contaminated by sin that we in our natural state are unable to know Spiritual Truth.

God gave us His Word(written and The Word made Flesh,Jesus Christ) and both will testify to the Truth. However you will find plenty to oppose the Word and to discredit it,a constant battle between Truth and lies, the Spirit of Truth and the Father of Lies.

26 December 2010 at 10:26  
Anonymous len said...

Atlas,
the Truth about God and Jesus Christ is revealed in Bible prophesy as this could only have been given by someone who lived outside time, and God has left a signature which is beyond dispute by anyone who studies Biblical prophesy in depth.
God`s Word has been revealed through humanity but the evidence of divine inspiration and guidance is evidenced through the substance.

26 December 2010 at 10:37  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

"Hear this, O foolish and senseless people, who have eyes, but see not, who have ears, but hear not."
Jeremiah 5:21

"And he said unto them, 'Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."

Mark 4:11-12

26 December 2010 at 12:05  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

A Simple Fool said 26 December 2010 12:05

How very true as you state from God's Word!

1 Cor. 1:18-31
“For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: That no flesh should glory in his presence. But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption: That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.”

Romans 1:18-23
“For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.”

Job 42:3
'Who [is] he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.'

Isaiah 55:8-9
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.”

If Man does not want to believe in God, he/she will find ways to support their belief. In order to do so one must reject the knowledge and wisdom of God for the knowledge and wisdom of man.
The differences between God and man’s knowledge and wisdom are vast.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

26 December 2010 at 12:30  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

KINGOFHIGHCS

That's a lot to digest all at once for a simple soul like me.

26 December 2010 at 12:51  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Yet my Paternal and Maternal lineage renders me neither Jew nor Gentile, as those terms are not belonging to my culture.

Indic culture knows only the concept of Aryan or fallen Aryan.

Spiritual or Worldly, the legal basis only refers to the Corporate Sole and so is a fallen state.

Corporate legal churchianity is therefore a system of enslavement because it recognises not the Word from the begining as a spiritual lineage but a racial one.

26 December 2010 at 13:03  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

A Simple Soul said
It is God's way of making the impossible to men, simple to Him and declaring it as such to fallen men who need salvation and reconciliation!

He is a respecter of NO MAN/STATUS as stated in The Bible. It is these very biblical tenets that the Law of GB is founded upon, irrespective that many Judges ignore it's Imperium as defined by GOD Himself. THIS IS HOW GOD JUDGES AND HE EXPECTS MEN TO DO LIKEWISE!

Acts 16: 30-33
30. And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31. And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32. And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33. And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway. (Not having to digest the whole of the Institutes of Christian Religion By Calvin before you can say,
'Lord I am a sinner, please forgive me. I believe on your Son, My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ'

"Such a small requirement for such an ETERNAL REWARD, do you not agree. Just to believe – to be saved!" SIMPLE!!

26 December 2010 at 13:18  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Bred in the bone said 26 December 2010 13:03

'Yet my Paternal and Maternal lineage renders me neither Jew nor Gentile, as those terms are not belonging to my culture.' THEN YOU ARE ACTING LIKE A FOOL..THIS IS LIKE DENYING THE SUN IS SHINING OUTSIDE BECAUSE YOU GO INTO YOUR HOUSE AND PUT A BLACK BIN-LINER OVER YOU HEAD, SO YOU CANNOT SEE AND ASSUME WRONGLY. HOWEVER, I CAN STAND OUTSIDE AND SAY' WHAT A LOVELY DAY, THE SUN IS SHINING GLORIOUSLY TODAY', BECAUSE IT IS.

'Indic culture knows only the concept of Aryan or fallen Aryan.' UTTER FOOLISHNESS, ARYANISM IS A BELIEF SYSTEM OF BELIEVED RACIAL SUPERIORITY WITH NO PROOF!

'Spiritual or Worldly, the legal basis only refers to the Corporate Sole and so is a fallen state.' YOU NOW FALL INTO THE ERROR OF IDIOCY.

'Corporate legal churchianity is therefore a system of enslavement because it recognises not the Word from the begining as a spiritual lineage but a racial one.'

NO, THIS IS ARYANISM..GO READ UP ON HISTORY AND THIS FOOLISH RACIAL BELIEF WITH NO HISTORICAL PROOF, WHICH MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY GAVE THEIR LIVES TO STOP ITS SPREAD FROM 1939-1945!!!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

26 December 2010 at 13:27  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

Why do you make it all so complicated? Why do so many people argue endlessly about the words of Jesus and their meaning?

I don't get if! Didn't Jesus tell his friends to stop quarelling? It all just mixes people up and puts them off.

26 December 2010 at 16:19  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

KINGOFHIGHCR

Do you mean that if I believe I'll go th Heaven no matter what I do?

I do believe but still break Jesus' rules about how to behave. Doesn't he mind?

26 December 2010 at 16:25  
Anonymous Oswin said...

A simple fool @ 16.19

Yes, sometimes we must learn to separate the simple, from the convoluted; even though the latter is interesting discourse too.

I suppose it helps if we ask specific questions, in order to get a specific answer; and then to proceed from there; whilst always bearing in mind the actual question/statement. It is all too easy to get lost amid a myriad protestations of this, that or the other.

26 December 2010 at 17:00  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

A Simple Fool said 26 December 2010 16:19
I am uncertain if your statement refers to me and my discussions with others, so I will answer anyway.
Why do you make it all so complicated?
(It is not all complicated but if someone asks a series of complicated questions in a long statement and their questions are not clearly stated, you have to add your own answer based on their vague assertions or have not backed up their claims with evidence/ say where THEY need to be made clearer in a question or show some evidence, so you can see what they mean!)
Why do so many people argue endlessly about the words of Jesus and their meaning?
(They discuss what Jesus actually said or His Disciples heard him say, compared to what people assert He supposedly said.
THE ONLY REFERENCE CAN EVER BE GOING TO THE HOLY BIBLE AND SEEING YOURSELF WHAT IS SAID..
I have heard quite a few people state the Bible is full of errors, yet when I ask them to state them to me, it then becomes clear they have rarely, if ever, read the Bible but take for truth statements made by other people, who may also believe this because someone else said, etc, etc)
I don't get if! Didn't Jesus tell his friends to stop quarelling?
( I am unaware in The New Testament where this occurred, especially regarding the Truth of what Jesus said, please point to it, if you are sure?
Things are said or taken out of context and actually refer to something else..The only time I am aware of Jesus stating even anything remotely like this was to show James and John 'The Sons of Thunder' that to be the greatest in His Kingdom they had to first be the least. They must be servants first of all)
It all just mixes people up and puts them off.
(If you are mistaken in what you have just said regarding Jesus and His disciples, then you are right, it is confusing but is due to a lack of knowledge of His Word!)

Will answer your 2nd question shortly, as busy with my family.
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

26 December 2010 at 18:54  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

A Simple Fool said 26 December 2010 16:25

Response part 1

'I do believe but still break Jesus' rules about how to behave. Doesn't he mind?'
Let me answer your 2nd line first.

St Paul states exactly what ALL christians feel when they sin..Why Lord Why?
Why do we sin when it is the last thing we desire? Your old sinful nature is there, at war against The Holy Spirit, for you to go back to your old ways.You do NOT have to give in to it but we always do when we are out of fellowship with God!
Romans 17:14-25
'14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin. For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.
16 Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.
17 So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.
19 For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.
20 Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
21 So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand.
22 For I delight in the law of God,(I) in my inner being,
23 but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.
24 Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
25 Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

The solution is 1 John 1:6-10 (especially verse 9 and it is our daily solution in prayerful fellowship with Jesus Christ as how to behave as a saved believer!)

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

This is how we stay daily in fellowship with Him and learn obedience to Him. He has not saved us to say ' Right, off you go, I'll see you now and then, You are on your own.' He loves us and He NEEDS us to continually walk with Him each day for us to stay in fellowship.
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

26 December 2010 at 21:30  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

KINGOFHIGHCS

I am not a person who can read the Bible and remember who said what and where they said it. Its a long and compliucated book.

But didn't his friends fall out over who was the greatest among?

26 December 2010 at 21:39  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

A Simple Fool said 26 December 2010 16:25
Response part 2
Do you mean that if I believe I'll go th Heaven no matter what I do?

Why, what do you think you are capable of that could stop you going there if you truly believe on Him and are saved.
What part did you play in earning your salvation. He died on the Cross as a Full Payment FOR YOU, making it possible for you to be a new creation, 'A CHILD OF GOD'. How did you have any part in this? So how can you lose what was not yours in the first place to take or deserve? Do you think this is related to the unforgiveable sin?
Matthew 12:30-32

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
The Holy spirit's role is to convict US of sin and that Jesus was/is The Christ. If you believe, how is this stopping you going to heaven?

Romans 8:15-17
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Romans 8:32-38
' 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Does this mean The Lord allows us to live as we please. NEVER.
Hebrews 12:6
"For whom the Lord loveth, He chasteneth and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth" . Break His commandments and you will be punished--just as a human father who really loves his children will do when they disobey. But He desires you repent of these sins and come back to Him and abide with Him.

You need a full assurance you can never lose what is not yours..It is God's Grace towards us.

John 10:27-29
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

You have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, Christ says you are in His hands and the Father's hands are around Christ's hands with you inside. All Three are PROTECTING you..
Therefore I ask, HOW ARE YOU IN PERIL??
You may well stand before Christ and have all your rewards you think you earnt on this earth burnt before your very eyes if you stay out of fellowhip until you die but this is NOT related to your salvation!!!
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

26 December 2010 at 21:50  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

A Simple Fool said 26 December 2010 21:39

Sorry, as you quoted parts of The Bible I wrongly presumed you read it regularly.

I am not a person who can read the Bible and remember who said what and where they said it. (It only comes by having a Passion for God's Word and setting aside time to read it..Switch off the TV or put the paper down and spend 30 minutes or so reading it. It is a reward in itself!) Its a long and compliucated book.(It is not complicated, just a lot inside that God has to say to YOU! So spend some time with Him daily and understand what He wants for YOU))

But didn't his friends fall out over who was the greatest among? (Not at all, like all humans who are sinners, they thought they should have some special favour with God as He, Jesus, personally chose them. He showed them that to be first would be last and the greatest the least in His Kingdom. It only related to James and John and Jesus corrected their understanding that God does things DIFFERENTLY to man. We all need correction from God but it is important to take it in, then move forward WITH HIM)

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

26 December 2010 at 22:08  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

Still don't get it.

I do read the bible and try to look at what others say about it too. I think one thing and others think another.

This happens on how thinking about how we get to heaven, now that we can thanks to Jesus.

Some people say it's a free gift from God. Some say it's a gift to everyone or it might be given to some special people chosen before they were born. Others say you have to be good and help other people.

And when we do bad some say God forgives, others that I have to say sorry and ask God, others that I should go and tell a priest or vicar or minister. And who says what is right and wrong and what I should do? It's not all in the bible.

What happens if you don't understand because so many people tell you so many different things? Is that you, or is it that God hasn't chosen you to get faith, or is it because you don't accept faith?

All very complicated and confusing to me.

27 December 2010 at 00:25  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Simple Fool

The right questions but take care about the answers you recieve.

"So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." Luke 11:9

Jesus asked His church to teach His message. There are so many ways of reading the Bible and it is open to different interpretations. Men and fought and died over this.

Jesus asked St Peter to feed His lambs and feed His sheep. He told St Peter he would be tested by Satan but would keep his faith and then confirm the other Apostles in it.

He would build His church on St Peter's faith; he was the first Apostle. He gave to St Peter the authority to determine what was sin and was was not and to lead people to the truth and promised the oversight and guidance of the Holy Spirit in this. He also promised to protect this church, led by St Peter, against Satan's attacks.

Now 'Simple Mind', this understanding will be challenged by others because Christ's church has become divided in two great schisms. East is divided from West and then the West fragmented itself.

If you accept Jesus gave authority to St Peter to lead a church that would teach and interpret the Bible, and to pass this authority down to others throughout time, then your choices are limited.

If you think Jesus wants us all to interpret the bible the way we feel 'inspired' to do so, then your choices are wide.

"Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter it."

27 December 2010 at 01:06  
Anonymous srizals said...

Found a very, very interesting discourse on the net you might want to check out for yourself.

"Evidently, Prophet Muhammad's invitation to Yathrib came from a group of eminent Jews, and not from a few idolaters. Interestingly, various Jewish anecdotes still tell us that Prophet Muhammad's arrival in 622 C.E. was announced exuberantly from the rooftop of a Jewish dweller of Yathrib, saying: "here comes the Prophet." For about five years most Jewish people of Yathrib took Prophet Muhammad as their long awaited Messiah."

http://usa.mediamonitors.net/content/view/full/50249

This link is dedicated to Mr. D Singh that is so fond of Judeao-Christian heritage.

27 December 2010 at 01:19  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

A Simple Soul Said 27 December 2010 00:25
I understand it can be hard to comprehend the 'simplicity' that Jesus offers as so many contrasting opinions are spoken about which can be confusing but it takes your investigating to find out what is True and what is not and for you then to CHOOSE!.

Faith is like a tablet that you must take and swallow for it to do it's work.
It is your responsibility as YOU must give an account of yourself just as we all must.
'This happens on how thinking about how we get to heaven, now that we can thanks to Jesus.' I have told you everything you need to know that you are/can be saved TO THE UTTERMOST if you truly believe on Jesus as your Saviour!

'Some people say it's a free gift from God. (It Is)Some say it's a gift to everyone (It is available to everyone) or it might be given to some special people chosen before they were born. (God knew who would believe before the foundation of the world, He knows everything you will do and say before you do as He sees Eternity laid out before Him whereas we do not because we live in the 'present' only)' You are talking about predestination (decided before you were even born, before the foundation of the world) and this is TRUE, however you have to also choose to 'TAKE THE PILL' for it to work. You have to give up a little bit of your free will to accept that you are a sinner before God and the only way you can ever be saved is to believe Fully on Jesus Christ to accomplish this, by believing that He did achieved this for you on the Cross.
'And when we do bad some say God forgives (He does IF we repent and ask him to), others that I have to say sorry and ask God (again this is repenting), others that I should go and tell a priest or vicar or minister (You do not as Christ is our ONLY MEDIATOR AND HAS POWER TO FORGIVE OUR SINS'. And who says what is right and wrong and what I should do? It's not all in the bible.( Simple Soul, IT IS, IT ALL IS..READ AND SEE)'
1 Tim. 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1 John 2:1-2
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Hebrew 2:17
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
1 John 1:7
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
'What happens if you don't understand because so many people tell you so many different things? ( Ask the Lord to help you before you read His word. Then make up you own mind. It's your eternal destiny at stake so YOU must decide. He will help you because He has promise to.!!!

'Is that you, or is it that God hasn't chosen you to get faith, or is it because you don't accept faith?' (HE has fully provided everything that you need to be saved and for you to know this.It is then for you to answer as Peter and other disciples did after him once Jesus said;
Luke 9:20
'20 He said unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God.'
All very complicated and confusing to me. 'TRUST IN GOD TO HONOUR HIS PROMISES'
Proverbs 8:17
17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
At least Try, Simple Soul..Look for yourself' Good night.
So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

27 December 2010 at 01:20  
Anonymous srizals said...

Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS said in a quotation,
"1 Tim. 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

I'll repeat, For there is one God. I rest my case.

27 December 2010 at 01:29  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Eman
James,brother of Jesus,continued to lead the church in Jerusalem.

27 December 2010 at 01:36  
Anonymous TheObserver said...

srizals said,


"1 Tim. 2:5
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"

Was that plain simple English? the man and the one God? How could I be the mediator for someone else and myself. Odd.

27 December 2010 at 01:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are not God.

Deo Gratias.

27 December 2010 at 02:06  
Anonymous len said...

Simple Fool,
God is not the author of confusion and if anyone points you to a denomination or a person other than Christ I should be very careful!.
Christianity is Christ!.
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
–John 14:6
Jesus built his church not of wood and stone, but of people. Peter was one of them, a part of the church's "foundation of the apostles and prophets" (Eph 2:20). Peter, like the other apostles, became a part of the church's one foundation. But he did this only by preaching the truth about Jesus Christ, "the chief corner stone" (Eph 2:20) so that all who follow that truth may be a part of the church too. The church is not a hierarchy of bishops and priests. All who make Christ the foundation of their lives, and obey him in faith, become stones in the temple of God. All those people are the church of Christ. (Eph 2:19-21, 1Pe 2:4-8).

27 December 2010 at 09:54  
Anonymous len said...

Simple Fool.
The church is what Jesus built.

Jesus did not say to Peter, "I will build your church". He said, "I will build my church". It is not "the church of Saint Peter". It is the church of Christ. Jesus is the true rock, and the church has "no other foundation" and no other founder. (1Co 3:11). Many denominations exist, all built and founded by someone other than Jesus. The church is not one of these. The church existed before any of these denominations. It did not arise out of them, and they did not arise out of it. They are separate "buildings" which the Lord did not build.

The church is the bride Jesus purchased with his blood.

Only the church that Jesus built was "purchased with his own blood" (Acts 20:28), and is the "bride" he loves (Eph 5:25). Christ doesn't have a harem. He doesn't have several different brides. He did not purchase any denomination with his blood, nor take any denomination as his bride.

27 December 2010 at 09:56  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

srizals said

I am truly tired in repeating almost ad nausem, what a Christian believes regarding God and His Godhead and quoting God's Word, showing the scripture that DECLARES THIS, yet it cannot sink in. WHY. As it is spiritually discerned and as you are LOST in a Man Made religion it is foolishness to you. It is not known or understandable in Islam because ISLAM IS NOT FROM GOD HIMSELF, but the foolish imagination of a sinner called MOHAMMED!!!.

No man can understand God's Word unless He (GOD) makes our dead spirit's COME ALIVE by a New Creation through Jesus Christ.

It is like myself talking in a language you know nothing about, which is the same for all men, whether you are english, french italian, german, arabic, chinese, russian etc, etc. YOU NEED A TRANSLATOR for God's Word and He is called The Holy Spirit. To receive God's Spirit you must be searching for and answering God's command to SEEK Him..YOU DO NOT, SO YOU CANNOT RECEIVE/ UNDERSTAND GOD'S WORD because you are NOT searching for HIM. YOU ARE LOST IN FALSE, MAN-MADE RELIGION.

I have told you this many times but you still come here spreading MISCHIEF but as long as I follow this blog of Cranmer, myself and others such as Preacher, Len, Ariadne and others who believe IN GOD'S WORD will always be ready with an answer, DEFENDING OUR GOD AND HIS WORD, so you do not lead 'Babes in CHRIST' astray.

ONLY FOOLS BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY SEE ON THE INTERNET AS TRUTH.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

27 December 2010 at 10:35  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

KINGOFHIGHCS
lan

Can the bible give you, alone, lead you to a full comprehension of the Trinity and its dynamic?

Can the bible, alone, give you an understanding of the union between Christ's human nature and His Godhead?

Can the bible, alone, reveal the complexities of God' plan for salvation in a fallen world continally under assault from Hell and its agents?

Does the bible speak, alone, clearly so all can understand the physical death and resurrection of Jesus?

Does the bible tell us clearly about issues facing mankind today: divorce, abortion, homosexuality, a just war?

If so, why so many different interpretations from men of goodwill? The early church was beset with many false interpretations of God's Word, His plan and His Son.

Today, His church is divided on the great social and personal issues of our time. Again, by men of goodwill.

Humanism and individually are potentialy dangerous developments but necessary to allow free will.

As I advised Simple Soul:

"Jesus asked His church to teach His message. There are so many ways of reading the Bible and it is open to different interpretations.

"Jesus asked St Peter to feed His lambs and feed His sheep. He told St Peter he would be tested by Satan but would keep his faith and then confirm the other Apostles in it.

"Jesus asked St Peter to feed His lambs and feed His sheep. He told St Peter he would be tested by Satan but would keep his faith and then confirm the other Apostles in it.

"He would build His church on St Peter's faith; he was the first Apostle. He gave to St Peter the authority to determine what was sin and was was not and to lead people to the truth and promised the oversight and guidance of the Holy Spirit in this. He also promised to protect this church, led by St Peter, against Satan's attacks."

Catholics believe in submitting to and obeying the authoritive teachings of its leadership on matters of dogma and morals. Today its stands, notwithstanding its history, as a beacon in the world standing unshaken in its theology and its application to the social and individual evils confronting the world.

The Church of Rome believes in a fusion between faith and reason. It believes man has to be strengthened and sustained through the sacraments, instituted by Christ, in his journey and pilgrimage in this world.

MY reading of scripture is consistent with these precepts! YOURS isn't. I would never presume you are 'damned' if, in good conscience, you follow a different path.

However, I would contend that the Adversary spreds lies, confusion and dissent in order to turn man from God - in the Catholic church and between His church and others believers in Christ.

We share much in common. We differ on so much too.

Humbly Yours,
Mr.Eman

27 December 2010 at 13:16  
Anonymous len said...

Mr Eman,
To keep repeating error will never make it truth.
The Church of Rome is based on error, a misconception at best,deliberate deception at worst!

27 December 2010 at 13:36  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Mr Eman said 27 December 2010 13:16

I have continually answered EVERYTHING you have asked me to but never a reason to me from you. This is a blatant denial of the TRUTH from you and other catholics I have answered.

I cannot add more to what Len has stated.

Show, from Scripture and history, ALL you claim about Rome and it's dogma.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

27 December 2010 at 13:49  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Eman Said

'I would never presume you are 'damned' if, in good conscience, you follow a different path.'

Let me give you the benefit of the doubt that you REALLY believe this.

However, you then must be in IGNORANCE OF PAPAL BULLS that declare all seperated brethren are ANATHEMA BY THIS SEPARATION FROM THE ONE TRUE WORLDLY CHURCH AND THEREFORE EXCLUDED FROM THE SALVATION THE CHURCH OF ROME PROVIDES?.

OR ARE INFALLIBLE POPES MISTAKEN..STATE IT, YES OR NO.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

27 December 2010 at 13:56  
Anonymous len said...

MrEman,
You seem to deny the role of the Holy Spirit and would replace Him with a man, the Pope? Scripture: John 16:12-15
"I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

You deny the Authority of the Bible? "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (II Tim. 3:16,17)

You place Mary with the same authority as Christ in Catholic Tradition.

What does that leave you with,?Your traditions and the Pope.?
When you appear before God will you refer to theses as your instruments of salvation?
If so then you will be no better than anyone else,worse in fact!
Your 'house'is built on sand and will be swept away as so much useless rubbish!

27 December 2010 at 14:03  
Anonymous srizals said...

"No man can understand God's Word"
So says KINGOFHIGHCS.

Are you saying that god is a trickster?
Why would god make it so hard for us, simple limited creatures to understand his words? Are you saying this based on your understanding or just your assumptions?

Contohnya, walaupun saya berbicara dalam bahasa Melayu, sesiapapun boleh memahaminya jika mempunyai ilmu untuk mentafsirkannya. Kamus yang baik juga tentunya dapat membantu. Kebenaran sepatutnya jelas dan jitu. Kesamaran tiada dalam kebenaran.

Translated version, "For example, even though I'm talking in Malay, anyone could understand it if one has the knowledge to decipher it. A good dictionary would also help. The truth should be clear and solid. There is no ambiguity in the truth.

God as the Creator of His creations must have known the weaknesses and the strengths of us, don't you think so?

The Internet, the books, the newspapers and magazines are the same Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS. They are information open to manipulations and distortions for the interest of certain parties. Some are honest, most are lies. The wonderful thing about it, we can always double-check them, evaluating from both sides of the story, with a bonus, the availability of unbiased group that doesn't belong to any. I don't think we can afford to buy all the books in the stores or go to the libraries to find the books when we have the need to know, what more when it was written by biased writers. Do check out who wrote or said about the information in whatever medium of knowledge or media that we have and the reliability of the information and of course its truthfulness. We must not let anyone get the better of us by being lazy thinkers that only read things that are easy to our hearts and minds. What more if the stakes are actually our own body and soul. Not just in this short life of ours, but foremost, the eternity that lies ahead of us. We are nobody's fool.

Again I ask you, what is "lawlessness" according to the plain simple English?

27 December 2010 at 14:23  
Blogger Preacher said...

Mr Eman.
The answer to your questions about the Bible is Yes! It is sufficient to teach, explain, reprove and bring sinful man to repentance & salvation through the Blood of Christ.
This truth is recognised world wide by the enemies of the gospel, who seek to ban it.
Why do you think the communists & dictators of the World persecute Christians who wish to own a copy of Gods Word?
Why were the Popes so quick to burn Wycliffes Bibles & the man himself?
Why do you think they followed this murder with Hooper, Huss & countless others, including Cranmer?
If you wish to stay a child, safely cocooned in the arms of the Papal see, that is your choice. But if you wish to breathe the free, fresh air of the Spirit who blows where he likes.
Without fear of purgatory & the other traps that 'Religious' men would snare you with. Then follow KINGOFHIGHCS into the light of Gods grace & mercy.

27 December 2010 at 14:25  
Blogger Preacher said...

Srizals.
What evidence do YOU have for the verification of the Q'uoran, other than the word of ONE fallible man?.
I would suggest that you follow your own instructions & examine the evidence of the veracity of the Bible with its simple truths compared with any other 'Holy' books before talking of lies & distortions.
It's the simple truths that a child could understand blended with the deeper things of God that astound the wise that verify it as more than a religous work, but the Living Word of God.

27 December 2010 at 14:39  
Anonymous srizals said...

Len, regarding your quotation of the bible, "he will declare to you the things that are to come", do any of us knew that about 2,000 years ago, man had knowledge of geography and knew that the earth had seven layers? Care to share? Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS, I'm calling you out. Don't try to dodge this. Everyone is waiting for your guidance. Ignoring me would be demonstrating the obvious. I await you my king!

27 December 2010 at 14:50  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

HIGHOFCARDSCR
len

You have not answered my questions about the elaboration and claification by the authoritative Church of the great theological divides in the early church.

Papal infallibility concerns definitive statements 'ex cathedra', or through definitive decisions of Church Ecumenical Councils, on matters of dogma, doctrine and morals. And, yes, I know you will now throw seemingly contradictory statements at me in response to this.

CURRENT Catholic teaching is elaborated in 'Luman Gentium':

" ... the sole Church of Christ which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic, which our Saviour, after His Resurrection, commissioned Peter to shepherd, and him and the other apostles to extend and direct with authority, which He erected for all ages as 'the pillar and mainstay of the truth.' This Church, constituted and organized as a society in the present world, subsists in the Catholic Church, which is governed by the successor of Peter and by the bishops in communion with him"

"Nevertheless, many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside its visible confines."
(Lumen Gentium, 8)

In truth, I cannot answer your question HIGHOFCARDSCR. The mystery of salvation and how Christ will judge you or I is beyond me, a mere layman who claims no special knowlege of church history or theology. Instead I consent, internally and externally, to the teachings of Roman Catholicism and trust in the destination it leads me towards.

And lan the Church does NOT:

" ... place Mary with the same authority as Christ in Catholic Tradition."

Sheer nonsense and a great culumny sped by Romes enemies! Nor does it believe in 'worshiping' statues or relics! Nor does it 'worship' bread and wine whose substance remaiuns untransformed! Nor does it believe one can buy their way to salvation!

All errors in understanding of Church teaching, admittedly sometimes misunderstood by its own members.

27 December 2010 at 14:53  
Anonymous srizals said...

Preacher, you can help Mr. K too. This is one of the abundance of proof that I have of my beloved prophet. Please do not be elegantly silence after this. If this proof is true would you reconsider Mr. Preacher?

27 December 2010 at 14:53  
Anonymous len said...

Mr Eman,
Was the Church founded on Peter(As Catholics claim)or Christ?

Let us go to the man himself(Peter)and ask him!.

1 Peter 2:4-8 (King James Version)

To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
..................................
(This is so simple a child could understand it!We need no longer wonder who the 'Rock'is Peter himself gives us the explanation!)

(Last word Your Grace as this is becoming a tad tedious, thank you for your forbearance.)

27 December 2010 at 15:12  
Blogger Preacher said...

Srizals.
I was once an unbeliever in ANY religion. I scorned them ALL as 'scams' I was not raised as a Christian & had no time for man made religious cons (still haven't)
I presume that you have been raised as a Muslim from a child so you have never been in the same situation.
I was soundly converted in ONE night to the Christian faith by a Sovereign work of Gods Holy Spirit, not a creed or a religous programme, but by Experiencing the Living God personally.
I have found the Bible to be the true word of God, in perfect agreement with everything that I learned that night.
Now I ask You, in all honesty, man to man, do you think for one moment I would or could be reasoned or argued out of my belief in the one who loved me, a lost sinner on my way to Hell.
One who died & rose, Lives now & reaches other lost ones & sets them free from the fear of death & Hell by mere debate?.

27 December 2010 at 15:17  
Anonymous srizals said...

Mr. Preacher,
Man to man, we can't find the truth by ourselves. Beware of the devil. We need to communicate, debate, argue, reason, in order to understand the truth.

You said that you need some proof, so I'm offering you one. This is not a debate, I'm offering you the proof. The seven layers of the earth. Have you learned about them in geography Mr. Preacher? That is all I'm offering to you. The simple and modest proof. Open to all. I have no power to influence any of you. I'm not even in the safety of my domain. Anyone could have rebuked me easily with arrogance. I’m answering your request. Could you at least have the courtesy of replying to a simple me.

27 December 2010 at 15:31  
Anonymous srizals said...

Why are you running away from the light?

27 December 2010 at 15:53  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Len,

A tad tedious?

Your tenacity and patience are a constant inspiration to His Grace (and doubtless to many others who read this blog). Your polite but determined witness is a joy. Bless you.

27 December 2010 at 15:53  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

First of all, people refusing to call me by my blog name or being pretentious about it.
It refers to a documentary made by the BBC about Luciano Pavarotti and is the title of it and the album's name.
(I was trained as a Tenor)
I DO NOT HAVE ANY HIGH OR MIGHTY REASON FOR THIS TITLE EXCEPT AS STATED.
I love opera and classical music as explained on my blog.

Srizals said
'"No man can understand God's Word"
So says KINGOFHIGHCS. ' TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT AS USUAL!

'Matthew 12:30-32

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

The Holy spirit's role is to convict US of sin and that Jesus was/is The Christ.'

1 Corinthians 2:10
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

1 Corinthians 2:11
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

1 Corinthians 2:13
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the NATURAL man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually DISCERNED.

Natural - Pertaining to the secular life, physical or unspiritual
Discerned - Examine, judge, or inquire

John 16:13
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.

2 Pet 1:2-3
2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

Deu 29:29
29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

The unsaved man therefore cannot understand spiritual things because he does not possess the SPIRITUAL EARS. He has no ability to KNOW spiritual things. If God did not GIVE the unbeliever the HOLY SPIRIT, they are not privy to the deep things of God that the Holy Spirit can make available to the child of God. In fact, they are not made a participant in knowledge to any spiritual understanding of Scripture WITHOUT IT.
SRIZALS YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL DEAD IN THE SPIRIT BECAUSE OF ADAM'S SIN, REFUSING TO BELIEVE YOU NEED GOD'S HELP

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

27 December 2010 at 16:19  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Eman said.27 December 2010 14:53

Part 1

'And lan the Church does NOT:
" ... place Mary with the same authority as Christ in Catholic Tradition."
Really, what about THIS.

The Roman Catholic Church has historically taught two basic dogmas about Mary:
1. Mary is the Mother of God.
2. Perpetual Virginity: Mary was a virgin when Jesus was conceived; this state continued throughout her life. (MADNESS even though Mary gave Jesus half brothers and sisters!!!)

Two additional dogmas about Mary were infallibly proclaimed by two popes during the 19th and 20th centuries:

Immaculate Conception: Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary on 1854-DEC-8. Many Roman Catholics believe that this refers to Jesus' conception circa 5 to 7 BCE. In fact, it means that Mary herself was conceived free of sin before her birth circa 20 BCE.
Assumption of Mary: Pope Pius XII, in his Munificentissimus Deus (1st November 1950) defined that Mary, "after the completion of her earthly life was assumed body and soul into the glory of Heaven." That is, she was "taken up body and soul into heaven," at the time of her death. She is there "exalted as Queen of the Universe."

In addition, various popes and church councils have referred to Mary as co-redemptrix, mediatrix, and advocate:
Throughout ancient times:
St. Antonius (circa 250 - 350): "All graces that have ever been bestowed on men, all came through Mary."
St.Bernard (1090 - 1153): "[Mary is called] the gate of heaven, because no one can enter that blessed kingdom without passing through her."
St. Bonaventure (1221 - 1274): "As the moon, which stands between the sun and the earth, transmits to this latter whatever it receives from the former, so does Mary pour out upon us who are in this world the heavenly graces that she receives from the divine sun of justice."
1750: Alphonsus Mary de Liguori, canonized as Saint Alphonsus in 1839, wrote a book "The Glories of Mary." It continues to be published today, under various church imprimaturs. Various chapters in the book are titled: "Mary our Help," "Mary our Mediatress," "Mary our Advocate," etc.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

27 December 2010 at 16:37  
Anonymous srizals said...

"SRIZALS YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND THIS BECAUSE YOU ARE STILL DEAD IN THE SPIRIT BECAUSE OF ADAM'S SIN, REFUSING TO BELIEVE YOU NEED GOD'S HELP." So says KINGOFHIGHCS.

Adam a.s. was the first man, he couldn't have learnt from any man as a basis of comparison nor an example whatsoever. He was new to everything and vice versa. He made a mistake and repented and The God or Allah, the All Merciful forgave him and accepted his repentance without any blood-letting nor having to do anything except by saying the words of repentance and meaning them deep inside of the secret chambers of his heart. We only need to cleanse our sins with our tears and determination of not repeating them and do good, more. If blood is spilled by our hands, of course our own blood is forfeited, except if the family members affected by our murder forgive us. It's that simple. If this is "spiritual deadness" to you, I'm glad I'm not living in a living one that cannot distinguished lawlessness and peace on this earth. If a "living spiritual essence" cannot anguish on the death of so many, babies and children, women and the old ones, I'm very, very glad that I'm "spiritually dead".

But Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS, how do you know that you are not the others? Have you watched The Others starred by Nicole Kidman? Scary I tell you.

27 December 2010 at 16:43  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Eman said.27 December 2010 14:53

Part 2

'And lan the Church does NOT:
" ... place Mary with the same authority as Christ in Catholic Tradition."
Really, what about THIS as well.


1935: Pope Pius XI gave the title co-redemptrix to Mary during a radio broadcast.
21st November 1964: The Chapter 8 of the Dogmatic Constitution of the Church, passed by the Vatican Council II, and "Solemnly promulgated by Holiness Pope Paul VI" states, in part:
bullet "Rightly, therefore, the Fathers see Mary not merely as passively engaged by God, but as freely cooperating in the work of man’s salvation through faith and obedience. For as St. Irenaeus says, she being obedient, became the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race. Hence not a few of the early Fathers gladly assert with him in their preaching ...'death through Eve, life through Mary.' This union of the mother with the son in the work of salvation is made manifest from the time of Christ’s virginal conception up to his death".
"Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation. By her maternal charity, she cares for the brethren of her Son, who still journey on earth surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led into their blessed home. Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress and Mediatrix."
"...the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix. "
"For no creature could ever be counted as equal with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer. Just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by the ministers and by the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is really communicated in different ways to His creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source."
1985: Pope John Paul II recognized Mary as co-redemptrix" during a speech in Guayaquil, Ecuador. He said, in part, "Having suffered for the Church, Mary deserved to become the Mother of all the disciples of her Son, the Mother of their unity...In fact Mary’s role as Co-redemptrix did not cease with the glorification of her Son."
25th March 1987: In his encyclical Redemptoris Mater, Pope John Paul II "referred to Mary as 'Mediatrix' three times, and as 'Advocate' twice."
9th April 1997: During an audience Pope John-Paul II referred to the role of Mary during the crucifixion of Jesus: "Mary … co-operated during the event itself and in the role of mother; thus her co-operation embraces the whole of Christ’s saving work. She alone was associated in this way with the redemptive sacrifice that merited the salvation of all mankind. In union with Christ and in submission to him, she collaborated in obtaining the grace of salvation for all humanity...In God’s plan, Mary is the ‘woman’ (cf. John 2:4; John 19:26), the New Eve, united to the New Adam in restoring humanity to its original dignity. Her cooperation with her Son continues for all time in the universal motherhood which she enjoys in the order of grace. Trusting in this maternal cooperation, let us turn to Mary, imploring her help in all our needs."

JUST ON ONE REFERENCE YOU MENTION. STOP DELUDING YOURSELF AND OTHERS WHO DO NOT KNOW ABOUT ROME!
Please stop spouting things which are EASILY PROVED WRONG HISTORICALLY. I AM TIRED OF SHOWING YOU, AS AN EX CATHOLIC, YOU ARE MISTAKEN AND KNOWINGLY SO!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

27 December 2010 at 16:45  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals 27 December 2010 16:43

Congratulations..
You have decended into complete foolishness within 2 comments added to this blog, whereas it normally takes 3..

A NEW RECORD ?!

I will always respond properly IF you talk some serious sense.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

27 December 2010 at 17:01  
Anonymous srizals said...

My, I'm flattered. I take it as a compliment coming from the likes of you, you know. Where's the answer of my simple question?

What is "lawlessness" in the simple plain English?

Now I'm starting to feel like I'm Len! Glad I am not. Come on, come on, Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS, We don't have all day!

27 December 2010 at 17:06  
Anonymous srizals said...

And one more, please do not blame others, especially the holy prophets of God, that received the direct guidance from God, for our own shortcomings. It is unfitting. They are the truly and fully guided ones. They are incomparable to us. Or do you think that you are some kind of a prophet Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS?

My, the night wind is really blowing and whistling outside, wonder if it would be a rainstorm tonight.

27 December 2010 at 17:14  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Len

A tad tedious? The central issues behind the two great schisms of Christianity?

"And I say to you, that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it. "

Of course Jesus the Christ is all you say of Him!

Jesus did say, "upon this rock I will build my church" to St Peter. Jesus was not a "church". To carry His message to the world, some form of human organisation was required. An organisation that needed order in its structure and conformity in the message too.

Would people, being people, having a fallen nature and being subject to Satan's influences, not need shepharding?

“Feed my lambs” and “Feed my sheep" was a commission passed to Peter.

He was appointed leader too:

"And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatever you shall bind on earth shall be bound, even in heaven. And whatever you shall loose on earth shall be loosed, even in heaven.”

When He spoke to the Apostles, as His church:

“I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.”

The message of Christ, too much to be bourn, and still He had so much more to say, would be developed and more properly understood, not by individuals, but by His appointed representatives on earth.

Argue the 'Church' has failed, despite the promise of Jesus, or that the 'church' now consists of all those who believe, but do not dismiss the scriptural texts concerning Peter and Rome.

27 December 2010 at 17:20  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Lawlessness - a few definitions
Defiance of the law

1. Unrestrained by law; unruly:example, a lawless mob.
2. Contrary to the law; unlawful: example, the lawless slaughter of protected species.
3. Not governed by law: example, the lawless frontier.

I HAVE ANSWERED THIS FOR YOU BEFORE ON THE LONG CONVERSATION WE HAD BUT YOU WERE OBVIOUSLY NOT 'LISTENING'

So what IS your POINT again.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

27 December 2010 at 17:23  
Anonymous srizals said...

I thought the followers of Christ, the true ones of course, would not be so easily tire in explaining to the confused, what more in fighting for the truth. Am I that wrong? Snap out from the cold and march onwards crusaders!

27 December 2010 at 17:27  
Anonymous srizals said...

My, your command of English is impressive, now what about "lawlessness" in the Bible? Don't let me teach you about your Bible now Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS!

27 December 2010 at 17:29  
Anonymous srizals said...

Since you have a dictionary with you, might as well look up for the meaning "circumcise". Hope you have a good one. You didn't teach me about it yet. I'm sorry if I can't locate and relocate your definition of "lawlessness" before. It must have disappeared and reappeared past my limited observation.

27 December 2010 at 17:36  
Anonymous srizals said...

Slumber is grasping me tightly, please continue. I'll read up, as always.

27 December 2010 at 17:41  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said 27 December 2010 17:27

I thought the followers of Christ, the true ones of course, would not be so easily tire in explaining to the confused ( You are not confused, just acting in ignorance of the TRUTH), what more in fighting for the truth ( I have told you The TRUTH but '

Mark 4:11-12
11 "And he said unto them, 'Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them."

Am I that wrong? (YES!) Snap out from the cold and march onwards crusaders ( I AM NOT A ROMAN CATHOLIC!)
Are you a Muslim marauder (marauder - someone who attacks in search of booty) like your PROPHET MOHAMMED?

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

27 December 2010 at 17:41  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said 27 December 2010 17:29

'My, your command of English is impressive, now what about "lawlessness" in the Bible? Don't let me teach you about your Bible now Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS!'

I will always respond properly IF you talk some serious sense.
Go on, GIVE IT A TRY?

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

27 December 2010 at 17:46  
Anonymous srizals said...

No, I'm not like Blair, Obama, Bush, The Spanish Conquistadors, The VOC or the Dutch East India Company, The East India Company, Afonso de Albuquerque , Matthew C. Perry, British Opium traders in China and et cetera and et cetera. Sorry to have disappointed you. But war is expensive you know. Look at how much have you guys spent in Iraq and Afghanistan? How can you you keep up without any confiscation of oil, gold and things? Feed on the sand?

27 December 2010 at 18:01  
Anonymous srizals said...

Ok, I'll try my best my king, if I humbly may ask, what is the meaning of "circumcise" in the Authorized English Dictionary and in the Bible.

And if I may also know, what is the meaning of "lawlessness" in the Bible. What people are mentioned repeatedly so closely to it? Thank you my king. Your sleepy subject awaits your kingly replies. Please excuse any delays.

27 December 2010 at 18:06  
Anonymous srizals said...

Forgot the question mark my king, but you as king, should have known where is its rightful place. Thank you, me lord!

27 December 2010 at 18:10  
Blogger srizals said...

marauder

Pronunciation:/məˈrɔːdə(r)/
noun
a person who marauds; a raider:
a band of English marauders were surprised and overcome

Funny how certain dictionaries have a very distinct clear sentences to make things clearer for us.

27 December 2010 at 18:24  
Blogger srizals said...

Omit the indefinite article my king, I'm getting careless it seems.

27 December 2010 at 18:31  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

KINGOFHIGHCR
Len

No response to my outline of the primacy of St Peter and the commission given him and the Church by Jesus?

27 December 2010 at 18:47  
Anonymous srizals said...

"I have told you this many times but you still come here spreading MISCHIEF but as long as I follow this blog of Cranmer, myself and others such as Preacher, Len, Ariadne and others who believe IN GOD'S WORD will always be ready with an answer, DEFENDING OUR GOD AND HIS WORD, so you do not lead 'Babes in CHRIST' astray.

ONLY FOOLS BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY SEE ON THE INTERNET AS TRUTH".

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS on 27 December 2010 10:35

I have to repeat for greater emphasis, "will always be ready with an answer, DEFENDING OUR GOD AND HIS WORD, so you do not lead 'Babes in CHRIST' astray".

Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS is not up to it ladies and gents. He's got better things to do then defending, er, what was that again?

And what ever do you mean by "Babes in CHRIST" Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS?

27 December 2010 at 23:30  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

HIGHCARDCR

So self assurred, bordering on arrogance. And so patronising!

Thank you for the quotes. As an ex-catholic, you must surely know that Popes and theologians may express personal opinions without these being binding on the members of the church? Much of what you quote is, in fact, unauthoriyive teaching, but teachings which resonate with Roman Catholics.

Mary was the Mother of God. Yes? Mary was the first christian. Yes? She willing submitted to God's will even though she did not fully comprehend it. Yes? She was aware of the struggle Jesus would face in His humanity. Yes? She had an emerging awareness of His mission as God made man. Yes? She witnessed the awful events in Jesus' crucifixtion and death without despair. Yes?

Just as Mary's kindness and compassion caused Jesus to perform the miracle at Canan, before 'His time has come', is it unreasonable to suppose she advocates our case to Christ, her son? Is it so hard to accept that her intervention will carry some influence on our behalf? She receives devotion because of her spoecial role in salvation. If Mary had refused God's request, despite her misgivings, Jesus would not have been conceived or born. Yes?

Given the commission and authority given Peter and His successors to devolop His message and reach a fuller understanding, it seems acceptable for doctrines on Mary, the Mother of God, Blessed amongst women, to be expanded authoritively.

I have no problems with the doctrine of Mary's perpetual virinity, the immaculate conceptiion (and I do understand this!) and Mary's assumption into Heaven. Radio broadcasts, theological opinion and individual Pope's teachings are not the same as definitive statements of doctrine. You shoukld know this! In fact, Vatican II made no statements of dctrine as specifically stated by the two Popes when it was convened and concluded.

Do read what I've said above above about the church, the role of Peter and now the church's actual teachings about the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God and our Advocate with Christ the King.

I've read your statements with an open mind - now read mine!

28 December 2010 at 02:33  
Anonymous Oswin said...

srizals old chap, you're becoming overly excited again ... take a few deep breaths and lay off the cooking sherry.

28 December 2010 at 02:57  
Anonymous srizals said...

http://wakeupfromyourslumber.blogspot.com/2010/12/jesus-is-palestinian-and-why-it-matters.html

My Christmas gift for you. And a warning from the Bible Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS,

Luke 12:10
World English Bible

"Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but those who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven".

Awaiting your answer on the people who were mentioned so closely, so many times to "lawlessness" in the Bible. 3 days Mr. KINGOFHIGCS.

28 December 2010 at 02:58  
Anonymous srizals said...

Sorry Oswin, perhaps it's the cold. Should I let him off the hook? Well, I gave him three days. I am being generous for a king such as he. And I never drink since 0 to 38.

28 December 2010 at 03:07  
Anonymous srizals said...

Matthew 20
29 As Jesus and his disciples were leaving Jericho, a large crowd followed him. 30 Two blind men were sitting by the roadside, and when they heard that Jesus was going by, they shouted, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us!”
31 The crowd rebuked them and told them to be quiet, but they shouted all the louder, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on us!”

32 Jesus stopped and called them. “What do you want me to do for you?” he asked.

33 “Lord,” they answered, “we want our sight.”

34 Jesus had compassion on them and touched their eyes. Immediately they received their sight and followed him.

Matthew 21
6 The disciples went and did as Jesus had instructed them. 7 They brought the donkey and the colt and placed their cloaks on them for Jesus to sit on. 8 A very large crowd spread their cloaks on the road, while others cut branches from the trees and spread them on the road. 9 The crowds that went ahead of him and those that followed shouted,

“Hosanna[b] to the Son of David!”

“Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!”[c]

“Hosanna[d] in the highest heaven!”

10 When Jesus entered Jerusalem, the whole city was stirred and asked, “Who is this?”

11 The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”

What is "lord" in English Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS? I wanted to ask you about "prophet" but I'll saved it for a next time.

28 December 2010 at 09:42  
Anonymous len said...

It has become apparent to me ( and probably to others too!)that there is a 'ploy' being used by some posters here.These posters are more concerned with the appearance of winning an argument than arriving at the truth !.
The 'ploy' goes like this;
1, Ask a question,
2, Refuse any answer,

This merely exposes the true intentions(and the ego) of the poster.
Looking through the postings will reveal who these people are.
God brings good out of all things and as we are'playing before a wider audience the Truth will be revealed to all who have a mind to receive the Truth.

A blessing to all who seek the Truth about Jesus Christ and the Gospel.

28 December 2010 at 09:50  
Anonymous srizals said...

It won't work Len, many that read us will eventually wanted to know more and hopefully truly read the Bible and the information themselves. Give them time to digest all that they care to read.

An answer to a question must be relevant. For instance if I ask you who was Jesus, you can't present to me three answers; he was the son of man, the son of David and the son of god. Which is the most correct one? I know that I am a son of man, son of my father and son of my mother. But man is not God, Len.

Truly I pray thee would see the truth that has been polluted by lies someday.

What I'm trying to highlight is highly relevant Len, since most of us are approving, worst, supporting the current vicious inhuman atrocities by the "chosen" people, the same people that were banished "twice" from their own holy land to confirm the Bible's prophecy. They were enslaved by the Pharaoh for hundreds of years to make them submit to the will of God and realized their mistakes of bowing to man and their own selves. How can we be sure that they are not repeating history? I'm glad my truth does not require the slaughter(s) of the innocents to be proven as true.

My luxury of free time had come to an end. May our path cross again in a friendlier manner in the future, Insya Allah.

As a parting gift, since I am not sure if we ever will meet again in the matrix, I leave you with some links as a food for thought.

http://www.islamuncovered.com/ebooks/ebookfiles/quranmodernscience.pdf

Since some are book believers,

http://www.scribd.com/doc/28748861/Maurice-Bucaille-the-Pharaoh-Ramses-II

True, we have to decide and think for ourselves. After all, our fate lies in our own hands. God does not guide the proud sinners. Cheerio.

28 December 2010 at 11:05  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

srizals
post: 28/12 @ 2:58

What is sin against the Holy Spirit and has anyone committed this?

28 December 2010 at 11:12  
Anonymous JayBee said...

Well said Len. (28/12 09:50)

A thread that began with a theme of joy, peace and messages of seasonal goodwill has degenerated into a religious brawl.

Perhaps it was inevitable.

Jesus said:-
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." (Matthew 10:34)

His Grace must despair of us at times.

28 December 2010 at 11:20  
Anonymous len said...

Simple Fool,
Best not to go there! Re Srizels!
However,

The only sin(unforgivable) you can commit against the Holy Spirit is to deny Him!
Which is what Muslims do!
Muslims think that Mohammed is the Holy Spirit.
Don`t ask me how they come to that conclusion!A case of muddled theology I guess.

To deny the Truth about the Holy Spirit is to cut yourself off from any chance of salvation because salvation is effected through the Holy Spirit!

28 December 2010 at 11:27  
Anonymous len said...

Simple Fool,
Jesus said the parakletos (Holy Spirit) is not a human being:(John 14;16)
14:16: "he will be with you for ever" (a human doesn't live forever)
14:17: "he will be the spirit of truth" (a human is distinct from spirit)
14:17: "the world neither sees him..." (a human is visible)
14:17: "...nor knows him" (a human would be known by others)
14:17: "and he will be in you" (a human cannot be within others)
Jesus said that the parakletos has a specific mission; to point to Jesus:
14:26: "whom the Father will send in my (Jesus') name"
14:26: "will remind you everything I (Jesus) have said to you"
16:8: "he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin..."
16:14: "He will bring glory to me (Jesus)..."
Finally, Jesus said that the parakletos is a spirit:
14:17: "the Spirit of Truth"
14:26: "the Counsellor (parakletos), the Holy Spirit"

It is clear from the context that no human prophet or angelic being can qualify as the parakletos. Consider what these verses say: He will be with them forever, not seen, nor known, yet within others, and will set about reminding the people of what Jesus did, while bringing glory to Jesus. There is only one being who qualifies in all these areas, the Holy Spirit of the Injil(Gospel), whom Jesus pointedly identifies as the parakletos. He fulfills all the above requirements.

28 December 2010 at 12:04  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

KINGOFHIGHCS said...
NO, THIS IS ARYANISM..GO READ UP ON HISTORY AND THIS FOOLISH RACIAL BELIEF WITH NO HISTORICAL PROOF, WHICH MEMBERS OF MY FAMILY GAVE THEIR LIVES TO STOP ITS SPREAD FROM 1939-1945!!!

Don't corrupt my Culture with your ill conceived understanding about the perpetual wars of International Bankers, anyone in their right mind knows the difference between culture and fascism.

Study the Wars of the Roses if you want to know about my Culture being wiped out.

By the way the archaic meaning of the rose was to keep something private and secret, sounds almost fascist does it not.

You offer rhetoric but no real knowledge of our ancient culture in a multi-cultural age, seeking to right the wrongs done to us.

28 December 2010 at 13:30  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Mr Eman said

'Len

A tad tedious? The central issues behind the two great schisms of Christianity?'

The two geat schisms of christianity you are referring to nothing of the sort. This was the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE seperated into Byzantine (ORTHODOXY)and Roman rule (ROMAN CATHOLISM)..What about the TRUE BELIEVERS WHO HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AND CONTINUED FROM PENTECOST UNTIL THE PRESENT..CHRISTIANITY IN NOT DEFINED BY 'ONLY THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE'. THIS IS NOT HISTORICAL CORRECT.

I am busy at present, as I do have a life away from Cranmer, but will give you a FULL answer as you obviously NEED to hear the TRUTH.

Srizals.. I have answered all your questions before that you keep RE-STATING BUT ALTERING CERTAIN WORDS...THE ANSWERS ARE THE SAME, but YOU REFUSE TO LISTEN AND UNDERSTAND..IT IS FRUITLESS.

I answer all statements in my own 'STYLE' taught to me by my English Professor Peter White. This is how HE corrected statements so THERE WAS NO CONFUSION AS TO WHAT HE WAS REFERRING TO.

I offer no apology for it even if people presume otherwise.

No man can guarantee he has the next minute, hour, day, month or year to consider THE TRUE GOSPEL so I declare it boldly and forthrightly to those who NEED to hear the GOOD NEWS THAT GOD DECLARES TO MAN..( LEN, PREACHER AND OTHERS HAVE THEIR 'OWN' STYLE AND I HAVE MINE..I LOVE ALL SINNERS ALSO, NEVERTHELESS) PEACE AND GOODWILL TOWARDS MEN FROM THE MOST HIGH.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

28 December 2010 at 13:45  
Anonymous len said...

The seem to be a lot of talk about cultures and races which I don`t even pretend to understand,(or wish to)
.....
In Paul’s understanding, all men who are not in union with Christ are sinners, whether they are Jew or Gentile. “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Rom 3:23). This sinful state is traced back to Adam and the fall of mankind (Gen 3). Adam and Christ are presented by Paul as the heads of two contrasting groups of humanity, in which Adam represents all of fallen mankind, while Christ represents all of redeemed mankind. Although Paul only makes a limited number of references to Adam, this contrast with Christ lies at the heart of his theology. For Paul, redemption is being transferred between two realms of existence, salvation from being “in Adam”, to being “in Christ”.
...........

Simples.

28 December 2010 at 13:55  
Blogger Chancellor More said...

len

Wise counsell to A Simple Fool!
However, as you answered him I feel compelled to join the debate in all modesty.

Based on scripture, there can be little doubt as to what Our Lord was refering to. Matthew 12:22-32 is perhaps the clearest and most complete of the synoptics.

To sin against the Holy Spirit is to deny and act against, from pure malice, the Divine. The sin against the Son of man, committed against Him as a man, i.e. the wrong done to Him as a man, might be excused as a result of ignorance. Not sin against Him as a Person of the Trinity.

The Fathers of the Church contemplated this complex matter and arrived at a number of explanations. For some it was uttering an insult to God in one or all His Three Persons.

St Augustine, whom I believe offered a fuller treatise, explained it in terms of a final impenitance, a perseverance to death, in a state of grievious sin.

Several Fathers apply the sin to downright malice, by depising or rejecting the inspirations and impulses stirred in ones soul by the Holy Spirit, sending Him away.

As to final impenitence (Augustine) it is absolute; and this is easily understood, for even God cannot pardon where there is no repentance, and the moment of death is the fatal instant after which no mortal sin is remitted.

St. Thomas' idea is more complex to grasp. For him the sin against the Holy Spirit may be remissable. He who, from pure and deliberate malice, refuses to recognize the manifest work of God, or rejects the necessary means of salvation, acts exactly like a sick man who not only refuses all medicine and all food, but who does all in his power to increase his illness, and whose malady becomes incurable, due to his own action. God could, by a miracle, overcome the evil; He could, by His omnipotent intervention, either nullify the natural causes of bodily death, or radically change the will of the stubborn sinner; but this is not in accord with His providence; and if he allows the person to act, if He offers free human will sufficient grace, who can complain? In a word, the irremissableness of the sins against the Holy Spirit is exclusively on the part of the sinner, on account of the sinner's act.

Complicated? Essentially, it seems to me, the sin against the Holy Spirit is to act wilfully and with full knowledge, against God's Plan for humanity or for oneself, and to stubbornly hold onto this sin until death.

Who can tell if any human person has committed such a sin?

Caiphas and Judas spring to mind. Did either, or both, know, beyond doubt. Jesus was the promised Christ and wilfully, through malice and envy, deliberately seek to obstruct His mission and God's plan? Could they, did either one, repent before death and, if so, would God forgive?

As individuals, do we know God's revelation and the means to salvation and wilfully, with malice aforethought, turn our back on Him - Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

We can only be certain that one being and those who chose to follow, committed this final and irrevocable sin.

For people - who knows, but God?

28 December 2010 at 15:17  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

Chancellor More

Are you saying is it about someone who offends God seriously knowing what there're doing is wrong and doesn't say sorry before they die? And also if someone tries to stop His plan because they hate Him or are jealous or envious of Him?

28 December 2010 at 17:33  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Eman said
HIGHCARDCR

Response Part 1

So self assurred, bordering on arrogance. And so patronising!(THIS TACTIC IS USELESS ON ME AND WILL NOT INDUCE GUILT, I WAS TAUGHT AT A JESUIT GRAMMAR SCHOOL FOR BOYS)

Thank you for the quotes. As an ex-catholic, you must surely know that Popes and theologians may express personal opinions without these being binding on the members of the church? (OH' I THOUGHT THEY WERE DECLARED AS INFALLIBLE FOR A REASON WHEN DECLARING THE THINGS OF GOD OR ELSE WHAT DOES 'VICARIOUS CHRISTI' MEAN or EX CATHEDRA'??) LET ME HELP YOU!

VICARIOUS CHRISTI (When a man sits in the Chair of Peter the Holy Spirit makes him Vicarius Christi (Latin: Vicar of Christ), just as he makes ordinary bread and wine into Christ’s Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. The man’s outer appearance is unchanged, but his substance, his teaching of true faith and morals, is completely transformed. AM I CORRECT, YES)

EX CATHEDRA (Latin: from the chair), the Chair of Peter. When a Pope speaks from the chair (cathedra) of authority as the visible head of all Christians, his teaching is infallibly Christ’s true teaching.

Much of what you quote is, in fact, unauthoriyive teaching, (SO WHAT AUTHORITY EXACTLY DOES A POPE HAVE TO SPEAK) but teachings which resonate with Roman Catholics.(WHY SHOULD THEY RESONATE..DOES THE INQUISITION AND MURDER OF THOUSANDS OF JEWS AND MILLIONS OF BIBLE-BELIEVING CHRISTIANS (NON ROMAN CATHOLIC) RESONATE ALSO?)

Mary was the Mother of God. Yes (NO, SHE IS THE EARTHLY MOTHER OF JESUS..GOD IS SPIRIT..YES)? Mary was the first christian. Yes? (NO, THE TERM WAS NOT USED OR KNOWN UNTIL ANTIOCH WHEN PAUL AND OTHER DISCIPLES WERE CALLED AS SUCH) She willing submitted to God's will even though she did not fully comprehend it. Yes? (LIKE WE ALL, FORGIVEN SINNERS, TRY TO) She was aware of the struggle Jesus would face in His humanity. Yes? (WHERE DOES IT STATE THIS.. I am always willing to learn new things, SHOW ME) She had an emerging awareness of His mission as God made man. Yes? (NO, SHOW ME FROM SCRIPTURE) She witnessed the awful events in Jesus' crucifixtion and death without despair. Yes? (NO..SHOW ME WHERE MARY SAID TO THE DISCIPLES OR OTHERS..'DON'T WORRY, ALL YOU DISCIPLES WHO HAVE NOW LOST FAITH IN MY SON AND SCATTERED, IT WAS FORETOLD IN SCRIPTURE, HE WILL RISE AGAIN ON THE 3RD DAY, ETC')

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

28 December 2010 at 18:39  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Eman said

Response part 2

Just as Mary's kindness and compassion caused Jesus to perform the miracle at Canan,(HE WAS A LOVING SON AS YOU WOULD EXPECT OUR WONDERFUL SAVIOUR TO BE!!) before 'His time has come', is it unreasonable to suppose she advocates our case to Christ, her son? (NO.NONE WHATSOEVER, SHOW ME IN SCRIPTURE WHERE SHE DOES THIS AND GOD DOES IT ON HER APPEAL) Is it so hard to accept that her intervention will carry some influence on our behalf?(YES) She receives devotion because of her spoecial role in salvation.( SHE DECLARED HERSELF BLESSED THAT GOD COULD HAVE CHOSEN HER ABOVE OTHER EARTHLY WOMEN) If Mary had refused God's request, despite her misgivings, Jesus would not have been conceived or born. Yes?( FOOLISH STATEMENT. GOD's PLANS ARE NEVER THWARTED..HE IS ETERNAL AND OMNISCIENT AND WHAT PROCEEDS FROM HIM IS ALWAYS RETURNED COMPLETED)

Given the commission and authority given Peter and His successors to devolop His message and reach a fuller understanding,( PETER WAS NOT EVEN THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH IN JERUSALEM, JUST AN ELDER. JAMES, JESUS'S BROTHER WAS GIVEN THIS TASK..HOW IS HE THEREFORE THE 'HEAD' ON EARTH) it seems acceptable (IT IS NEVER ACCEPTABLE) for doctrines( THERE IS NO DOCTRINE ABOUT MARY IN THE BIBLE ANYWHERE...SHOW ME) on Mary, the Mother of God,(GOD IS SPIRIT AND HAS NO MOTHER) Blessed amongst women,(YES SHE WAS ,BY GOD'S CHOOSING ONLY) to be expanded authoritively.(MARY WILL BE HORRIFIED BY THIS BLASPHEMY IN HEAVEN AS A REDEEMED SINNER.)

I have no problems with the doctrine of Mary's perpetual virinity, the immaculate conceptiion (and I do understand this!) (SAYS IT ALL REALLY) and Mary's assumption into Heaven (WHERE, SHOW ME). Radio broadcasts, theological opinion and individual Pope's teachings are not the same as definitive statements of doctrine. (VICARIOUS CHRISTI EX CATHEDRA???)
You shoukld know this! In fact, Vatican II made no statements of dctrine as specifically stated by the two Popes when it was convened and concluded.( THESE STATEMENTS ARE ALL IN PAPAL BULLS AND BECAUSE OF INFALLIBILITY CANNOT BE ALTERED OR ELSE ALL IS UNDERMINED)

Do read what I've said above above about the church, the role of Peter and now the church's actual teachings about the Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of God and our Advocate with Christ the King.( I DID AND REJECTED THEM AS HERETICAL AND AGAINST GOD THE FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT AND LEFT ROME FOREVER..AMEN)

I've read your statements with an open mind - now read mine!( HAVING AN OPEN MIND DOES NOT MEAN BELIEVING LIES AS TRUTH AS I HAVE JUST SHOWN YOU ABOVE)

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

28 December 2010 at 18:44  
Anonymous len said...

A Simple Fool.
Jesus came to give us Life, His Life,Eternal Life!
There are two great forces in the World,1,The Law of Sin and Death.
2,The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. "because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death."(Romans 8;2)
We are connected to either one or the other!

1 John 5:6-13
"This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only but with the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the witness, because the Spirit is the truth. There are three witnesses, the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree. If we receive the testimony of men, the testimony of God is greater; for this is the testimony of God that he has borne witness to his Son. He who believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. He who does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne to his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He who has the Son has life; he who has not the Son of God has not life."
...............................
It is a simple matter of either accepting God`s offer or rejecting it!
There can be very few people who have not heard the Gospel so very few can claim ignorance.
Romans 1 claims the knowledge of God is obvious for all to see in His Creation.

28 December 2010 at 18:50  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Len Said

I am moving towards the opinion that some people who leave statements on here are actually one person, using multiple blog signs..What do you think?

How Sad..However, I will still respond, as anyone who states error about My Saviour and the wonderful things He has accomplished for His Beloved must be challenged;

Jude 1:3-4

3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should EARNESTLY CONTEND FOR THE FAITH which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

28 December 2010 at 19:23  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Bred in the bone

'Don't corrupt my Culture with your ill conceived understanding about the perpetual wars of International Bankers, anyone in their right mind knows the difference between culture and fascism.(COMPLETE AND UTTER GIBBERISH. CAN YOU NOT SAY IN PLAIN ENGLISH THE PEOPLE YOU ARE REFERRING TO OR ARE YOU SCARED?

Study the Wars of the Roses if you want to know about my Culture being wiped out.(MORE GIBBERISH...SEE BELOW;

The Wars of the Roses were a series of dynastic civil wars for the throne of England, fought between supporters of two rival branches of the Royal House of Plantagenet: the houses of Lancaster and York (the "red" and the "white" rose, respectively). They were fought in several spasmodic episodes between 1455 and 1485, although there was related fighting both before and after this period. The final victory went to a relatively remote Lancastrian claimant, Henry Tudor, Earl of Richmond, who married Elizabeth of York, the daughter of the late Yorkist king Edward IV, to reconcile the two factions and founded the House of Tudor, which subsequently ruled England and Wales for 117 years, until the accession by the Scottish House of Stuart in 1603.'
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I HAVE SAID YOU ARE TALKING COMPLETE GIBBERISH, ARE YOU EVEN OF ENGLISH DESCENT?????????

By the way the archaic meaning of the rose was to keep something private and secret, sounds almost fascist does it not.

SEE ABOVE..WHAT ON EARTH ARE YOU SMOKING..(A FOOL IS EASILY PLEASED WITH HIMSELF!)

'You offer rhetoric but no real knowledge of our ancient culture in a multi-cultural age, seeking to right the wrongs done to us.'

MY LORD JESUS, I HONESTLY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE EDUCATED TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REAL HISTORY AND THE VIVID IMAGINATIONS OF THE SERIOUSLY DELUDED WHO HATE EVERYONE.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

28 December 2010 at 21:42  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

KINGOFHIGHCS

Are you really suggesting that Jesus was not fully human as well as fully God?!!!! As a human He would need to be born of woman. As part of the Trinity He was God - but God made man. The Gospel falls without accepting this!

You are really very ignorant of Catholic teaching on Papal authority. Taught by Jesuits? Did you listen?

As you well know infallibility is restricted to doctrinal statements from the Chair of Peter. Where on earth did you get the notion that as Christ's Vicar the Pope takes on the nature of Christ. Nonsense!

Popes can and do sin. Popes, when they express personal insights, can and do err. The protection promised pertained to binding teachings. Not to everyday actions and thoughts - regardless of pecability.

Similarly you are fundamentally wrong concerning Mary. It was not Mary who declared herself Blessed amongst all women. Read your scripture!

Are you ruling out free will? Of course Mary, chosen by God, had to consent freely. Jesus as man had to consent too. His temptations speak to this. Mary was the first Christian even though the human term hadn't been constructed. She was the first to receive the Good News. God's Plan is of course never twarted but it depends on the cooperation of mankind. Foreknown is not the same as predetermined!

Is all comprehended that is written in scripture? Jesus said it wasn't! He references truths too difficult for them to bear and said He had many other things to teach them. The Church, led by the Holy Spirit, founded on Peter's faith, was entrusted with this.

Trinity? Hypostatic union? The role of men and woman in God's plan? These and other doctrines emerged over 2000 years under the guidance of the Holy Spirit through the Church and the Pope. Similarly doctrines and teachings have developed about Mary.

Were our Church Fathers wrong?? Wrong in resisting the heresies of the day? Wrong in clarifying the complexities of scripture? Get real!

Who am I to stubbornly refuse to accept these teachings? Scripture clearly points to the function of His Church and the leadership and authority of Peter's successors. You're stating that individuals can arrive at the fullest of truth on their own! As teachers and leaders, the Church has to explain and clarify. This requires going beyond acceptance of Christ and through Faith and Reason, attempting to comprehend God better and His workings.

Really, do expound Catholic teaching honestly. If you've rejected it, that's your choice. Do not pretend to have some deep inside knowledge simply because you were raised as a Catholic and taught by Jesuits. Instead, thank God that He led you into questioning your faith and seeking Him out. Many Catholics only accept on a more superficial level - as God intended. Pray that He brings you to Truth.

Desist from spreading confusion and half truths about Roman Catholism, its organbisation, beliefs and practices.

28 December 2010 at 23:14  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

KINGOFHIGHCS

Are you really suggesting that Jesus was not fully human as well as fully God?!!!! As a human He would need to be born of woman. As part of the Trinity He was God - but God made man. The Gospel falls without accepting this!

You are really very ignorant of Catholic teaching on Papal authority. Taught by Jesuits? Did you listen?

As you well know infallibility is restricted to doctrinal statements from the Chair of Peter. Where on earth did you get the notion that as Christ's Vicar the Pope takes on the nature of Christ. Nonsense!

Popes can and do sin. Popes, when they express personal insights, can and do err. The protection promised pertained to binding teachings. Not to everyday actions and thoughts - regardless of pecability.

Similarly you are fundamentally wrong concerning Mary. It was not Mary who declared herself Blessed amongst all women. Read your scripture!

Are you ruling out free will? Of course Mary, chosen by God, had to consent freely. Jesus as man had to consent too. His temptations speak to this. Mary was the first Christian even though the human term hadn't been constructed. She was the first to receive the Good News. God's Plan is of course never twarted but it depends on the cooperation of mankind. Foreknown is not the same as predetermined!

Is all comprehended that is written in scripture? Jesus said it wasn't! He references truths too difficult for them to bear and said He had many other things to teach them. The Church, led by the Holy Spirit, founded on Peter's faith, was entrusted with this.

Trinity? Hypostatic union? The role of men and woman in God's plan? These and other doctrines emerged over 2000 years under the guidance of the Holy Spirit through the Church and the Pope. Similarly doctrines and teachings have developed about Mary.

Were our Church Fathers wrong?? Wrong in resisting the heresies of the day? Wrong in clarifying the complexities of scripture? Get real!

Who am I to stubbornly refuse to accept these teachings? Scripture clearly points to the function of His Church and the leadership and authority of Peter's successors. You're stating that individuals can arrive at the fullest of truth on their own! As teachers and leaders, the Church has to explain and clarify. This requires going beyond acceptance of Christ and through Faith and Reason, attempting to comprehend God better and His workings.

Really, do expound Catholic teaching honestly. If you've rejected it, that's your choice. Do not pretend to have some deep inside knowledge simply because you were raised as a Catholic and taught by Jesuits. Instead, thank God that He led you into questioning your faith and seeking Him out. Many Catholics only accept on a more superficial level - as God intended. Pray that He brings you to Truth.

Desist from spreading confusion and half truths about Roman Catholism, its organbisation, beliefs and practices.

28 December 2010 at 23:14  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

“The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God."

“I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May your word to me be fulfilled.” Then the angel left her.

In a loud voice she (Elizabeth)exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? ... Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”

And Mary said:
“My soul glorifies the Lord
and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant.
From now on all generations will call me blessed, for the Mighty One has done great things for me—holy is his name.
His mercy extends to those who fear him, from generation to generation.
He has performed mighty deeds with his arm; he has scattered those who are proud in their inmost thoughts.
He has brought down rulers from their thrones but has lifted up the humble.
He has filled the hungry with good things but has sent the rich away empty.
He has helped his servant Israel,
remembering to be merciful
to Abraham and his descendants forever, just as he promised our ancestors.”

"He went down with them and came to Nazareth and lived under their authority. His mother stored up all these things in her heart."

Sounds like Divine revelation to me!

29 December 2010 at 00:42  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Mr Eman said 28 December 2010 23:14

Response Part 1
Are you really suggesting that Jesus was not fully human as well as fully God?!!!! As a human He would need to be born of woman. As part of the Trinity He was God - but God made man. The Gospel falls without accepting this! (TYPICAL MISDIRECTION. WHERE HAVE I SAID THIS, SHOW ME)

You are really very ignorant of Catholic teaching on Papal authority. Taught by Jesuits? Did you listen? (DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHO THE JESUIT'S REALLY ARE)

As you well know infallibility is restricted to doctrinal statements from the Chair of Peter. Where on earth did you get the notion that as Christ's Vicar the Pope takes on the nature of Christ. Nonsense! ( I AM AN EX CATHOLIC AND WHAT IS STATED BY THE CHURCH IS TAUGHT TO IT'S FAITHFUL..OR MUST WE KEEP UP A PRETENSE FOR THE SAKE OF 'SEPERATED BRETHREN'?)

Popes can and do sin.(IN ABUNDANCE AND BEYOND THE IMAGINATIONS OF NORMAL SINNERS..THE MAKE THE CLAIM THEY ARE HERE IN PLACE OF CHRIST AN ABSOLUTE ATROCITY AND ABOMINATION) Popes, when they express personal insights,(WHEN HAVE THEY EVER DONE THIS FROM THE WORD OF GOD?? can and do err. (CONTINUALLY WITHOUT STOPPING) The protection promised pertained to binding teachings.( HOW VERY OPPORTUNE!) Not to everyday actions and thoughts - regardless of pecability. (PLEASE, I WAS TAUGHT CATHOLIC DOGMA, YOU ARE KNOWINGLY WRONG)

Similarly you are fundamentally wrong concerning Mary. It was not Mary who declared herself Blessed amongst all women. Read your scripture! ........I DO
(Luke 1:46-48
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me BLESSED. )

Are you ruling out free will? (WHAT ARE YOU IMPLYING ABOUT FREE WILL?) Of course Mary, chosen by God, had to consent freely. Jesus as man had to consent too. His temptations speak to this. Mary was the first Christian even though the human term hadn't been constructed. (FOOLISH/GIBBERISH) She was the first to receive the Good News.( WRONG ...LUKE 1;5-25 it was Zacharias and Elizabeth, BY GABRIEL'S DECLARATION OF THE FORE-RUNNER, JOHN THE BAPTIST'S BEING CONCEIVED PRIOR TO JESUS) God's Plan is of course never twarted but it depends on the cooperation of mankind. Foreknown is not the same as predetermined! (THEY ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE AS YOU WELL KNOW AS DECLARED IN SCRIPTURE)

Is all comprehended that is written in scripture? (YES...ALL THAT GOD DECLARES FOR BELIEVERS TO KNOW IS DECLARED, REVEALED AND COMPREHENDED BY SCRIPTURE) Jesus said it wasn't! He references truths too difficult for them to bear and said He had many other things to teach them.( THESE ARE THROUGH THE EMPOWERING OF THE HOLY SPIRIT AS DECLARED BY JESUS HIMSELF BEFORE HE ASCENDED TO THE FATHER, THEN IMPARTED TO APOSTLES AND CHURCH AT PENTECOST..HOW IS IT HIDDEN) The Church, led by the Holy Spirit, founded on Peter's faith, was entrusted with this. (LIES..LEN HAS ALREADY DEBUNKED THIS CLAIM, SHOW ME FROM SCRIPTURE) .THERE REALLY IS NO DEPTH OF MISLEADING YOU WILL NOT GO TO IN PROTECTING THE RCC, IS THERE?

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

29 December 2010 at 00:55  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Mr Eman said 28 December 2010 23:14

Response Part 2

Trinity? Hypostatic union? The role of men and woman in God's plan? These and other doctrines emerged over 2000 years under the guidance of the Holy Spirit through the Church and the Pope. Similarly doctrines and teachings have developed about Mary.(YOU ARE ADDING TO GOD'S WORD WHICH IS FORBIDDEN BY JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF [Matt 5:18] AND SCRIPTURE
Deuteronomy 4:2
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you
Deuteromony 12:32
32 What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
Proverbs 30:5-6,
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Matthew 24:35,
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."
Galatians 1:6-12
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Pet. 1:25
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you."
Revelation 22:18
18 If any man shall add unto these things [those written in Scripture] God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

29 December 2010 at 00:58  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Mr Eman said 28 December 2010 23:14

Response Part 3

Were our Church Fathers wrong??(YES, SHOW ME THE EPISTLE OF AUGUSTINE TO BYZANTIA, OR ERASMUS TO ANTIOCH..SO THEY ARE NOT INSPIRED WRITERS, ARE THEY??) Wrong in resisting the heresies of the day? (NO BUT THEY INTRODUCED MUCH GREATER AND DEADLIER HERESIES THAT TAKE MILLIONS OF SOULS TO HELL WITH THEM) Wrong in clarifying the complexities of scripture?(WHERE DID THEY DO THIS..THEY ADDED BLASPHEMIES AND GREATER CONFUSION TO PROMOTE THE WORLDLY AIMS OF THE ROMAN CHURCH TO RULE OVER THE LIVES OF MEN AND WOMEN) Get real! ( HOW SHALLOW THIS SOUNDS AFTER ALL I HAVE DECLARED TO YOU)

Who am I to stubbornly refuse to accept these teachings? (YOU WORSHIP MEN, SO IT SEEMS RIGHT TO YOU BUT YOU DENY GOD HIS SUPREMACY IN AUTHORITY OVER MEN AND THROUGH HIS HOLY, PERFECT WORD) Scripture clearly points to the function of His Church and the leadership and authority of Peter's successors. (NEVER, YOU ARE IN ERROR AND IT IS NOT IN SCRIPTURE ANYWHERE) You're stating that individuals can arrive at the fullest of truth on their own! (HE IS CALLED THE HOLY SPIRIT AND IT IS BLASPHEMY AND UNFORGIVEABLE BEFORE CHRIST AT HIS GREAT WHITE THRONE IF YOU HAVE DENIED HIM) As teachers and leaders, the Church has to explain and clarify. (LEAD FURTHER ASTRAY) This requires going beyond acceptance of Christ (CAN YOU REALLY HEAR YOURSELF??) and through Faith and Reason, attempting to comprehend God better and His workings.( FAITH ONLY COMES FROM GOD..IT IS AN ACT OF GRACE..NOT MERITED).YOU ARE ADDING TO GOD'S WORD WHICH IS FORBIDDEN BY JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF AND SCRIPTURE

Really, do expound Catholic teaching honestly.( I ALWAYS DO, YOU LIE ABOUT THE TRUTH OF WHAT CATHOLIC'S BELIEF) If you've rejected it, that's your choice. Do not pretend to have some deep inside knowledge simply because you were raised as a Catholic and taught by Jesuits.( IT IS THE BASIC CATHOLIC DOGMA OF DOUBLE FACED MEANING..ONE THING TO THE 'FAITHFUL', ANOTHER TO OUTSIDERS) Instead, thank God that He led you into questioning your faith and seeking Him out.(SO WHY SHOULD OTHERS NOT RECEIVE HIS GRACIOUS LEADING AWAY FROM ERROR AND THEREFORE PERDITION) Many Catholics only accept on a more superficial level - as God intended.( UTTER HYPOCRISY, GOD NEVER INTENDS ANYTHING TO BE SUPERFICIAL) Pray that He brings you to Truth. (HE MOST ASSUREDLY HAS, PRAISE HIS GLORIOUS NAME)!!!!!!!)

Desist from spreading confusion and half truths (I TELL THE TRUTH) about Roman Catholism, its organbisation, beliefs and practices. (IT IS THE TRUTH AS YOU WELL KNOW IT..STAY IN LIES IF YOU WISH BUT TAKE NO-ONE ELSE WITH YOU TO THE ETERNAL LAKE OF FIRE, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS FALLEN))

28 December 2010 23:14

29 December 2010 at 01:08  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Eman Said 29 December 2010 00:42

MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT BELOW

( SHE DECLARED HERSELF BLESSED THAT GOD COULD HAVE CHOSEN HER ABOVE OTHER EARTHLY WOMEN)

Your mistaken declaration below

Sounds like Divine revelation to me!

MY REPONSE TO YOUR ERROR.

(SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE WRONG TO ME, SEE BELOW)

Similarly you are fundamentally wrong concerning Mary. It was not Mary who declared herself Blessed amongst all women. Read your scripture! ........I DO
(Luke 1:46-48
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me BLESSED. )

IS THERE NOTHING YOU WILL NOT TWIST OR MIS-REPRESENT TO PLY CATHOLIC DOGMA.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

29 December 2010 at 01:18  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

BY THE WAY, ITS CALLED THE MAGNIFICAT

Magnificat: anima mea Dominum.
Et exultavit spiritus meus: in Deo salutari meo.
Quia respexit humilitatem ancillae suae:
ecce enim ex hoc BEATUM (BEATUS:BLESSED MODERN LATIN) me dicent omnes generationes.
Quia fecit mihi magna, qui potens est:
et sanctum nomen eius.
Et misericordia eius, a progenie et progenies:
timentibus eum.
Fecit potentiam in brachio suo:
dispersit superbos mente cordis sui.
Deposuit potentes de sede:
et exaltavit humiles.
Esurientes implevit bonis:
et divites dimisit inanes.
Suscepit Israel puerum suum:
recordatus misericordiae suae.
Sicut locutus est ad patres nostros:
Abraham, et semini eius in saecula.

SO SAYS KINGOFHIGHCS

29 December 2010 at 01:37  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

kingofhighcs

You really should read through your blogs and you will detect your rather illogical answers and the side-stepping of issues you wish to avoid.

I read yours, why not read and digest mine without a knee-jerk response?

As for me, I will continue in truth and honesty to protect the Catholic Church from lies and double talk.

And, yes, I do know about the Jesuits! Such arrogance on your part - unsufferable!

29 December 2010 at 01:38  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Mr Eman said

I have answered you thoroughly/comprehensively.
I have never lied or been illiogical but answered you from the dogma I was taught also.
I have read your statements throughly and answered accordingly (MORE THAN YOU HAVE EVER GIVEN ME, AS ALL CAN SEE FROM MY REQUESTS FOR ANSWERS ABOVE AND ON OTHER COMMENT SECTIONS)

Continue if you must but I have declared why you are wrong and the way to correct this and be AT COMPLETE PEACE WITH GOD, FULLY FORGIVEN THROUGH HIS SON JESUS CHRIST.THE ONLY FORGIVER OF SINS and MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD AND MAN.

'And, yes, I do know about the Jesuits! Such arrogance on your part - unsufferable!'

(THIS TACTIC IS USELESS ON ME AND WILL NOT INDUCE GUILT, I WAS TAUGHT AT A JESUIT GRAMMAR SCHOOL FOR BOYS)

29 December 2010 at 01:55  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Mr Eman said

Just a small point regarding below;

Immaculate Conception: Pope Pius IX proclaimed the dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Mary on 1854-DEC-8. Many Roman Catholics believe that this refers to Jesus' conception circa 5 to 7 BCE. In fact, it means that Mary herself was conceived free of sin before her birth circa 20 BCE.


Yet Mary declares in the Magnificat

Et exultavit spiritus meus:in Deo salutari meo.
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

Mary calls HER son HER SAVIOUR (MESSIAH)..I THOUGHT SHE WAS FREE OF SIN??

Just a small point!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

29 December 2010 at 02:11  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

KINGOFHIGHCS
On the Wars of the Roses, you forget the granting of Colour of Law!

You forget all the Commoners involved and as for my hate, I ever expressed hate for anyone, thats just a political correct losers arguement against someone who has the cheek to show loyalty to anything other than your legal Jew/Gentile deal.

Does God fit your legal paramiters, if there is any God left over when you finished making his box let us all have some eh.

29 December 2010 at 12:10  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

kingofhighcr

Think you'll find Elizabeth called Mary Blessed first!

"In a loud voice she (Elizabeth)exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? ... Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”"


Also I would suggest it was the Holy Spirit acting in Mary when she brought forth her truly magnificent prayer.

According to Church teaching Mary was consceived without sin due to a special grace given by God. She experienced seven sorrows and seven joys, but never sinned.

"'Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favour with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.'”

Mother of Jesus, the man, and Mother of God, the Son of the Most High.

I think you'll find no such revelation was given to Zechariah and he failed to believe. Mary simply responded:

'“I am the Lord’s servant, ... May your word to me be fulfilled.”'

“My soul glorifies the Lord
and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant."

Without the arrival of the Christ none would be saved - Mary included!

To me this evidences you really do twist scripture to suit your own ends and leave out pertinent sections.

Surely you would accept the First and New Testaments exist as a whole and one needs to be understood in the light the other. In addition, it needs to be understood in the historical context of the times so the text and the metaphor, analogy and parables are comprehensible. Also, to the innocent eye, much can appear as ambiguous at best and contradictory at worse.

I believe Christ in His wisdom established a visible churc with structures, common worship and to elaborate those things 'hidden'.

Is there really any point in continuing this endless and unproductive discussion?

Do you suppose when we stand before Christ, when He seperates the goats from the sheep, He will ask us deep theological questions? No, He will ask us how we lived our lives according to the free will given us.

29 December 2010 at 12:54  
Blogger Preacher said...

Mr Eman.
I agree that their is nothing to be gained from endless debate. That's why I stopped participating earlier.
Doctor Cranmer shows great forebearance & liberality to his communicants. But in the words of an old preacher ( not myself ) "If you don't strike oil in twenty minutes, stop boring!".
Thus I leave the floor here to Mr Srizals & various others to sort out the tangled skein they have produced in their rejection of the salvation provided by the Lord Jesus's grace- "by grace we have been saved, not works, lest any man should boast".

29 December 2010 at 13:16  
Anonymous srizals said...

Simple Fool,

The Holy Spirit is not Muhammad, nor a part of God. He is Gabriel, the angel that delivers God's command to His Prophets since the beginning of the Prophethood to the seal of the Prophet, Prophet Muhammad s.a.w., a man, living all aspects of our current life. He married, bleeds in wars, became a father, a husband, a leader, a commander, and thus became the basis of comparison for us. And he died a mortal man as we all will. True, not all of his ways are applicable to us, since we cannot bear it as a man without the strength of a Prophet, we are given our rights fitting our strength as a man.

[16:101]
And when We put a revelation in place of (another) revelation, - and Allah knoweth best what He revealeth - they say: Lo! thou art but inventing. Most of them know not.

[16:102]
Say: The holy Spirit hath delivered it from thy Lord with truth, that it may confirm (the faith of) those who believe, and as guidance and good tidings for those who have surrendered (to Allah).

Simple Fool,
I think I'll call you Simple Soul, may I?

It is known through the scriptures that God sent His angel to deliver His message to the chosen ones, the Prophets and the Messengers of God. Only Moses a.s. was addressed directly by Him. It is the nature of God to send messengers to mankind, to guide them on how to live. Without this guidance, man would self-terminate and turned into an imaginable beast, the deadliest of all beasts. Current and historical events are our best references to what man can do without adhering to God's guidance.

The Holy Spirit is Gabriel, Simple Soul.

He ascended to Muhammad s.a.w., whose name was written in the Bible, but in the translated version in English, got translated to its meaning, the praised one or all together lovely which is Muhammad.

All prophets would be prophesied by the prophets before him. Moses had mentioned the coming of Jesus, son of Mary. And Jesus had foretold the coming of Muhammad.

But some slandered against the Holy Spirit that came to Muhammad s.a.w. The warning is still intact in the Bible.

God's chosen ones, or the Prophets are not men of misdeed or a witness to tyranny. Only the sublime would have this privileged.

"If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever." John (14-15)

Muhammad s.a.w. in the flesh is no longer with us. But his sayings, the Hadith and the Koran remained intact, in the original language it was revealed, guarded by those who had it in their hearts, the Hafiz or the ones that could memorised it letter to letter, then and even now. Memorised and recited daily, five times a day in prayers, all over the globe.

Some links for you,

http://www.islamuncovered.com/ebooks/ebookfiles/quranmodernscience.pdf

There’s more in the internet. You’re welcome to my blog. Search for the truth. No discussions for the truth are ever in vain. The choice is ours. Don't blame anyone for our mistake.

29 December 2010 at 13:31  
Blogger Preacher said...

Footnote:
Simple Fool.
No Baloney. Listen not to the vain religous rantings of unlearned men.
Seek the Lord while He may be found.
The Blood of Christ cleanses us from all sin.
I know, it did it for me.
No Religion or religous observances or rites are able to save. Only Jesus. Pray to him in your own words, repent of all your sins & ask Him to be your Lord & Saviour. Invite Him to come & live within you by His Holy Spirit.

JOB DONE! God Bless You. Preacher.

29 December 2010 at 14:05  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Preacher

Yes, but you're another who pours scorn on the Church of Rome - so hardly unbiased advice!

I will stop circular 'debates' and from now on simply state Catholic teaching as I understand it. I've not been blessed with a 'moment' of Truth opening my eyes to all that is in scripture or what God expects of me. Just a humble worker in the vineyard who came late! A prodigal returned to be welcomed by Our Father.

For me it has been, and will continue to be, until I die, a search for a better understanding of God and His purpose, through scripture, through prayer that the Holy Spirit will enlighten further and strengten me and through obedience to His Will. I admit I comprehend only in my limited way and am directed and will follow my my conscience. A conscience formed and developed through informed and gentle conversation.

A mortal man can do no more and patiently wait as he knocks on the door.

I was taught as a child that our purpose in life is to Know God, to Love God and to Serve God.

May God Bless you and strengthen you on this common journey.

29 December 2010 at 14:26  
Blogger Preacher said...

Mr Eman.
It seems that my presence is so alluring that none will let me go.
I speak as I find my friend, to some this may be a little to strong, but if honesty is a sin, then I am the chief of sinners.
History will settle the cases of human religous error & please try to remember that many of the saints pursued to a fiery death by the vanity of men, were followers & clergy, even bishops in the church that you defend so rigourosly until they found the truth & sealed their faith with their lives.
I hope that you will find the truth that they found, but without the price they paid. Although death is a small thing to endure, & all must meet it sooner or later.

I take no pleasure in winning an argument or debate. But only in seeing souls saved & the Lords will done.
May God bless you & sustain you.

Preacher.

29 December 2010 at 14:58  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Preacher

Thank you for your kind wishes. Just to note that many men and women of Romaqn Catholic faith went to their deaths too.

Among the honourable men and wome, giving their lives for their faith in the reformation era we should not forget the 40 martyrs of England and Wales, and the countless other brave souls who suffered for their faith during the time it was outlawed in this nation.

Politics, power and faith is a strange, unstable brew but then God does work in mysterious ways.

God Bless.

29 December 2010 at 17:02  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

Srizals

Thank you but no.

I read the Koran once and it made me feel very wierd and stopped me sleeping. I like to see God as loving not hateful who wants war and heads and limbs chopped off because people don't believe.

Do you really believe it was dictacted by an angel? And how can you be sure it wasn't a bad one?

I've noticed you are very sarcastic on here and wind people up. Not my cup of tea.

I may be a fool but I'm not stupid

29 December 2010 at 17:13  
Blogger Preacher said...

Simple Fool.
A misnomer if ever I heard one.
You are no fool my friend.
Please find another title to use.

Blessings. Preacher.

29 December 2010 at 18:24  
Anonymous srizals said...

Yes, the idea of a loving god that loves everyone, include unrepentant sinners is very alluring indeed.

The limbs that were being chopped are not the hands of the innocents. They were the hands of killers and robbers. And the value of the stolen items is the same value of a body armour at that time. What is the equivalent of a body armour nowadays, can you imagine?

Justice is for all. Humans tend to treat his fellow humans inhumanely. Others human could be killed, tortured, taken advantage of and humiliated. Could God love these hideous sinners that destroyed the lives of the innocents? This is where Islam draws the lines. Criminals must not get away with crimes. Others must not be lured to the dark side.

But you're also just a liar Mr. Simple Fool. There's no verses of cutting of the heads of disbelievers simply because they disbielievd. If the verses of war in self-defense is quoted, I hardly can believe a war can be won by not killing the combatants. Your co-religionists and civilisations had demonstrated that in a war, everything goes. Even those who can't even kill their killers. Aren't there any violent verses regarding wars in the Bible? Then I have only have to say that you are a hypocrite Mr. Simple Soul.

"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God..." (Deuteronomy 13: 5)

"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;" (Deuteronomy 13: 6)

"Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people." (Deuteronomy 13:8-9)

"Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword." (Deuteronomy 13:15)

"And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under the axes of iron, and made them pass through the brickkiln: and thus did he unto all the cities of the children of Ammon. So David and all the people returned unto Jerusalem." (II Samuel 12:31)

29 December 2010 at 23:33  
Anonymous srizals said...

"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)

"And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and woman: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house." (Ezekiel 9:5-6)

"The righteous shall rejoice when he sees the vengeance. He shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked." (Psalms 58:10)



"Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." (Numbers 31:16-18)

"Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you." (Deuteronomy 22:24)

There's more.
I wish I could praise you Mr. Simple Soul, but I can't. You are no bible reader.

"The Koran often urges believers to fight, yet it also commands that enemies be shown mercy when they surrender. Some frightful portions of the Bible, by contrast, go much further in ordering the total extermination of enemies, of whole families and races - of men, women, and children, and even their livestock, with no quarter granted. One cherished psalm (137) begins with the lovely line, "By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept"; it ends by blessing anyone who would seize Babylon's infants and smash their skulls against the rocks".

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/03/08/dark_passages/

29 December 2010 at 23:34  
Anonymous srizals said...

"...texts from the source we call Holy Scripture have been used in the past to defend the divine right of kings and to oppose the Magna Carta; to condemn Galileo and to assert that the sun does indeed rotate around the earth; to justify slavery, segregation and apartheid; to keep women from being educated, entering the professions, voting or being ordained; to justify war, to persecute and kill Jews; to condemn other world religions; and to continue the oppression and rejection of gay and lesbian people." Bishop John Shelby Spong

http://www.religioustolerance.org/imm_bibl.htm

But of course, don't believe me. Read the Bible yourself. That is if you really actually read it. Hope it would make you sleep better at night. Don't weep for the wicked. They won't weep for you if they got you under their mercy. You've never encountered a violent robber, rapist and killer. I pray you won't have to endure them, ever.

29 December 2010 at 23:45  
Anonymous srizals said...

Sorry for any typo errors, need to hurry up for a big meeting this morning. What say you Mr. Simple Soul?

29 December 2010 at 23:51  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

srizals

You are very rude calling me a liar. All I know is how I feel when I read different books.

I thought God promised a land to his chosen people so that his son could be born. He also wanted to show he was a real God not like the others. God can do what he wants.

I don't think God promised the earth to Muhammed or told him to get rid of anyone who didn't accept him.

Have you looked at the Gospels about Jesus and what he said about sinners?

I say - "Speech is silver; silence is golden"

30 December 2010 at 00:45  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

srizals

You are very rude calling me a liar. All I know is how I feel when I read different books.

I thought God promised a land to his chosen people so that his son could be born. He also wanted to show he was a real God not like the others. God can do what he wants.

I don't think God promised the earth to Muhammed or told him to get rid of anyone who didn't accept him.

Have you looked at the Gospels about Jesus and what he said about sinners?

I say - "Speech is silver; silence is golden"

30 December 2010 at 00:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Those of you here entangled in guff -- may like to check out a blogspot, which replicates your arguments. I'll leave you to research the links yourselves, as I don't want to advertise them. The writer exhibits unwonted modesty about them too, nowadays.

The blogger also extends no credits to His Grace.

30 December 2010 at 03:44  
Anonymous srizals said...

Simple Fool, then don't lie or say about things you do not know about. Simple isn't it Simple Fool? Be silent as you said, 'silence is golden' if only lies and assumptions are your main "utterances". Hope you won't end up with a mute. There is always time for everything Simple Fool!

Your blasphemy about God that He can do whatever He want to is also a lie. God is just, He had forbidden tyranny and unjustness from Himself. Stop lying if you don't want to be call a liar. Only goodness, peace, law and order are attributed to Him. All evil, misdeeds and lawlessness are attributed to the proudly arrogant little temporal us.

Anon, this is the Internet, anyone can replicate whatever on the Internet. I give credits to His Grace. Not all, especially current ones, to avoid unnecessary "help" from my blog readers. I even had His Grace blog on my blogrolls before his sudden disappearance. Not all Muslims and Agnostics nor Atheists have the stomach to dwell in blogs rather than their own you know. That is if you're referring to me Mr. Anonymously annoying! If there are any other than me, I sincerely hope they credited His Grace for it.

And you're wrong to say that God had promised the "chosen" people (that suffered countless time in the hands of themselves and the "Judeo-Christian" believers) Palestine to have his son born there. God is not human and all the creatures alive or dead here in our world Mr. Simple Fool. God does not have the attributes of His weak creations. What's the point? If not, what's stopping you from worshiping a man that also claimed that he is the son of god? How would you denounce him? There was one who was accepted a son of god, and no I'm not referring to the Greek mythology.

30 December 2010 at 05:59  
Anonymous srizals said...

As for the "chosen" people, read your bible, Leviticus 26,


26:15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, [but] that ye break my covenant:

26:16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

26:17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.

26:18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

26:19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:

26:20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.

26:21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.

26:22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your [high] ways shall be desolate.

26:23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;

26:24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.

26:25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of [my] covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

They have not accepted Yeshua or Jesus, so how? Are you going to cancel God's decree?

30 December 2010 at 06:04  
Anonymous srizals said...

"13. The next time Israel did evil the Lord sold them into the slavery of Philistines and Ammonites for eighteen years (Judges 10:7-9).

14. The people of Israel did again what the Lord forbade them from doing, the Lord again gave them into the hands of Philistines for forty years (Judges 13:1).

15. God brought destruction upon Bani Israel by the hands of Chaldeans and Prophet Habakkuk cried to the Lord (Hab 1:1-17). The God of Bani Israel declared Himself to be a jealous God and wrathful (Nahum 1:2, 2:13 and 3:5).

16. When Bani Israel performed the rituals, they were free of sincerity and they despised God-given food (Malachi 1:14, 2:2-3), God cursed them (Malachi 2:7-9) and declared that their offerings were not acceptable (Malachi 2:13 and chapter 4).

The fate of Bani Israel is sealed

Finally, God's decision was announced in the Bible:

"Behold, I will make you small among the nations, you will be utterly despised.

The pride of your heart has deceived …" (Obadiah verses 2-4). We find that in our time, Jews are only fifteen million out of the world population of over six billion. Also Jews are despised and no gentile likes to be called a Jew or Jew-like because he will take it as an insult.

"The house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau stubble; they shall burn them and consume them and there shall be no survivor to the house of Esau; for the Lord has spoken." (Obadiah verse 118)

Jesus said, "Therefore, I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation producing the fruits of it." (Matt 11:43). Evidently, Muslims fulfilled the prophecy of Jesus Christ.

http://www.ilaam.net/Opinions/GodsCovenant.html

30 December 2010 at 06:11  
Anonymous srizals said...

Don't you believe in Jesus, Mr Simple Soul? Why are you disobeying him by making his statement void in Matt 11:43?

Mr. KINGOFHIGHCS, the defender of the truth is always welcome to assist a "babe in Christ".

30 December 2010 at 06:16  
Anonymous srizals said...

And about the everlasting covenant, since you won't listen to me, maybe you'll listen to your co-religionists,

"God’s conditional terms of covenant could not be more clearly stated than in Deuteronomy 7:12.

Then it shall come about, because you listen to these judgments and keep and do them, that the Lord your God will keep with you His covenant and His lovingkindness which He swore to your forefathers". - Rev. Ted Pike.

http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/whoareabrahamschildren.htm

30 December 2010 at 06:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You're wrong srizals!

It's not in Matt 11:43,

It's in Matt 21:43

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
That is why I can guarantee that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce what God wants.

King James Bible
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

30 December 2010 at 06:52  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

srizals

You nasty a nasty person making all these threats.

When I was young my dad told me that God wanted a place to put a candle and he wanted people to get this place ready and make the candle for him. Once the candle was there he would light it.

He also told me that sometimes God lets people cut food with their left hand even though they should use their right hand. He also said that cutting meat sometimes needs a hard cut and sometimes a soft one.

I never really understood all this but I think I'm beginning to.

30 December 2010 at 11:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

srizals

Are you really a christian masquerading as a muslim to warn people who have abandoned Christ that a judgement is coming?

If not, you sound like one!

30 December 2010 at 11:28  
Anonymous srizals said...

Thank you anon at 06:52 for correcting me. I can't be right all the time, can I?

Anon at 11:28, you're new to all this. Better read back to understand me.

Simple Fool, you have a very wise father. Hope you'll be one too, one day.

I’m sorry if I have hurt your feelings. But you shouldn’t have said things like playing a guessing game. I can't seem to understand why people that mock and scorn with such ease can be so easily offended?

People had accused and said more nasty things about Muslims and yet they seem to demonstrate allergic reactions to what they are so fond of doing, in a much, much worse manner, when they are at the receiving end that is.

Anon at 11:28, it is true the Christians have abandoned Christ, a long time ago and true, the prophecy is coming, the Israelis are back en masse in Palestine without God's consent, somebody is daringly playing with things he shouldn’t have. What do you think will happen?

But don't worry, as long as some Muslims are in disunity and loyal to their "false patrons", which is also the covenant that they have failed to live up on their part to God, the evil ones will keep on demonstrating how evil they really can be, without any hesitations or shyness. At least, people will realise how hideous they really are. Until then.

Sorry if I'm being too harsh on you. I didn't mean it.

30 December 2010 at 13:47  
Blogger Preacher said...

Srizals.
You really are an old windbag, I can almost hear you frothing at the mouth.
Can you not see that your rabid pursuit of peaceful contributors
drives them away from the faith that you espouse? (Thank God).

Although debates about religion can get heated, they soon expose the true colours of the debater's faith.

Everyone has a God given right to choose his or her faith & beliefs. Although this is often denied them by men who call themselves 'Men of God', strange isn't it that God allows us free will to choose or refuse, but then He IS perfect & His judgement is Always right?.

30 December 2010 at 13:54  
Anonymous srizals said...

Well, Preacher, I am not here to preach anyone to Islam or become a Muslim. I'm just stating my case. Only God can make anyone a true servant of His. Not me. I thought you knew about that.

I'm here defending my faith from mockery. God gave us everything and what price does He ask of us? None, accept for the acknowledgement that He is the sole Creator and defending the truth against lies and tyranny, that's too much for you? I hope you won't have an ungrateful son one day. And you are not even the giver of his life.

We are given enough apparatus to seek the truth and distinguish evil and lies. Everyone is on their own. I can offer only advice. Whether you want to accept it or not, it won't matter to me. How do I help someone from himself?

30 December 2010 at 14:07  
Anonymous srizals said...

except, not accept, sorry..

30 December 2010 at 14:10  
Blogger Preacher said...

Srizals.
The point I'm making is that no one has the right to force his opinions on another, whether it be verbal or physical force.
This would be to deny them the God given right of free choice.
By all means defend your chosen faith & give your opinions, but please be more caring & gentle if you wish to share your faith with others.
Not all of Dr Cranmers communicants are as seasoned in the field of religous debate as others, but they have as much right to speak or opine as any of us, without receiving a verbal blast of force 12 ferocity.

Preacher

30 December 2010 at 14:37  
Anonymous srizals said...

True, and I'm deeply sorry if I have offended anyone. I'm just replying to allegations. You have live up to your name Mr. Preacher. Thank you for reminding me. I'm indebted to you. Cheerio.

30 December 2010 at 14:46  
Blogger Preacher said...

God Bless you Srizals.

30 December 2010 at 15:07  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

srizals

Thank you for saying sorry. I accept this.

How did you choose your name and what does it mean?

30 December 2010 at 15:47  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Eman said 29 December 2010 12:54
Response part1

kingofhighcr

Think you'll find Elizabeth called Mary Blessed first!( THINK YOU WILL FIND YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN IN YOUR INFERENCE, IT WAS THE HERALD OF CHRIST, ANGEL GABRIEL
Luke 1:28
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Anyway, I ORIGINALLY stated Mary's OWN response to God's Announcemement not anybody else's, see your question again, my response in capitals!

'She receives devotion because of her spoecial role in salvation.( SHE DECLARED HERSELF BLESSED THAT GOD COULD HAVE CHOSEN HER ABOVE OTHER EARTHLY WOMEN)

"In a loud voice she (Elizabeth)exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? ... Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!”"(SHE DID BUT I WAS NOT ASKED THIS QUESTION...SEE ABOVE. YOU ARE THE PERSON TWISTING YOUR STATEMENTS, I NEVER DO!!!)


Also I would suggest it was the Holy Spirit acting in Mary when she brought forth her truly magnificent prayer. (I THINK YOU WILL FIND THE ONLY PERSON MENTIONED AS BEING SPECIFICALLY FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT WAS ELIZABETH!! Read scripture to see FOR YOURSELF?
Luke 1:41-45
'
41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the HOLY GHOST
42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord. '

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

30 December 2010 at 18:28  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Eman said 29 December 2010 12:54
Response part2

According to Church teaching Mary was consceived without sin due to a special grace given by God. She experienced seven sorrows and seven joys, but never sinned.(WHERE DOES IT STATE THIS BLASPHEMY IN ANY SCRIPTURE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE BIBLE, except Catholic Dogma/Mysticism)

"'Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favour with God. You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever; his kingdom will never end.'”

Mother of Jesus, the man, and Mother of God, the Son of the Most High.(SHOW ME FROM SCRIPTURE AS I HAVE ASKED BEFORE, RATHER THAN ASSUME. OR ELSE YOU MAKE AN ASS of U and ME by what you state)

I think you'll find no such revelation was given to Zechariah and he failed to believe. Mary simply responded: ( BIT OF A DIFFERENCE, HE AND ELIZABETH WERE EXCEEDINGLY OLD TO NATURALLY HAVE CHILDREN {HENCE ZECHARIAH'S UNBELIEF}. ELIZABETH HAD ALWAYS BEEN BARREN UNTIL THIS TIME. JOHN THE BAPTIST IS NOT PROMISED TO ANYONE, HE WAS BORN AS GOD CHOSE HIM AS CHRIST'S FORE-RUNNER.
WHEREAS MESSIAH 'MUST' BE BORN OF A VIRGIN, BETHLEHEM, LINEAGE OF DAVID etc)

'“I am the Lord’s servant, ... May your word to me be fulfilled.”'

“My soul glorifies the Lord
and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior, for he has been mindful
of the humble state of his servant."

Without the arrival of the Christ none would be saved - Mary included! ( WHAT IS YOUR POINT AS I HAVE ANSWERED THIS BEFORE BUT YOU DO NOT LISTEN. GOD IS NEVER THWARTED BY ANYONE OR THING)

To me this evidences you really do twist scripture to suit your own ends and leave out pertinent sections. YOU TWIST AND THEN ADD THINGS IN NEVER PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED OR COMMENTED ON BY ME!)

Surely you would accept the First and New Testaments exist as a whole and one needs to be understood in the light the other. (WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THIS, STATE CLEARLY?) In addition, it needs to be understood in the historical context of the times so the text and the metaphor, analogy and parables are comprehensible. Also, to the innocent eye, much can appear as ambiguous at best and contradictory at worse. (WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THIS, STATE CLEARLY AS YOU SOUND VERY UNSURE YOURSELF. BE SPECIFIC?)

I believe Christ in His wisdom established a visible churc with structures, common worship and to elaborate those things 'hidden'. (SHOW ME FROM SCRIPTURE WHERE ROME OR ANY DENOMINATION IS MENTIONED)

Is there really any point in continuing this endless and unproductive discussion? (SO WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO QUOTE FROM QUESTIONS YOU HAVE NEVER RAISED IN RELATION TO ANSWERS GIVEN BY MYSELF TO YOU?

Do you suppose when we stand before Christ, when He seperates the goats from the sheep, He will ask us deep theological questions? (HE WILL ASK NOTHING OF ME AS I HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT INDWELLING ME AS CHRIST PROMISED AND I AM FORGIVEN AND SAVED TO THE UTTERMOST) No, He will ask us how we lived our lives according to the free will given us.(HE WILL NEVER STATE THIS TO BELIEVERS, HOWEVER IT IS THE VERY QUESTION HE ASKS AS GOD THE CREATOR, BEFORE UNBELIEVERS ARE JUDGED BY THEIR OWN WORDS!!!)

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

30 December 2010 at 18:39  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Anonymous Said 30 December 2010 03:44

'Those of you here entangled in guff -- may like to check out a blogspot, which replicates your arguments. I'll leave you to research the links yourselves, as I don't want to advertise them. The writer exhibits unwonted modesty about them too, nowadays.
The blogger also extends no credits to His Grace.'

Yes I Know and stated it on previous comment section with link shown.

However, no one seems to read it or comment on it. It goes by unviewed and therefore only appears to massage the EGO of the BLOG OWNER...BLESS.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

30 December 2010 at 20:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for the response, KOHCs. So long as you all know, then you're acting according to your lights.
All best.
Anonymous of 03:44

30 December 2010 at 21:17  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Anonymous said 30 December 2010 21:17

'Thanks for the response, KOHCs. So long as you all know, then you're acting according to your lights.
All best.
Anonymous of 03:44'

Thank you for being so observant for US.
Hope you have had a peaceful christmas and send my best wishes to you for 2011 with Love in The Lord.

KEEP WATCHING!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

30 December 2010 at 21:37  
Anonymous srizals said...

Simple Fool,

I derived it from my real name and my father's. But I can't reveal it here, since anonymity is relevant in the internet. Someone with malicious intent might be watching. Good luck, may you find your own name fitting for your true self. You're still young and the journey is still far ahead of you.

As for those who are so proud and full of themselves. Your childish play is nothing to me. The world has seen your ability. As for my blog, I'm still waiting for a worthy adversary, like Lancelot maybe. Waiting for those who dares win. A word of advice, no coward is ever respected, in the real life, what more in the matrix. Stop making up excuses to shield yourself from an argument or a challenge. You're not fooling anyone except yourself.

30 December 2010 at 23:28  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

KINGOFHIGHC

This is fruitless and, in both our interests, it is best to end this dispute about the Gospel and the Roman Catholic Church.

I am new here and I was shocked by the hostility shown to my faith. The mixture of sarcasm, threats of damnation and sheer hatred directed towards it caused me anger and distress.

In truth, I overlooked:

"Inter-religious dialogue is not about conversion; it is about understanding. The aim is to encounter people of different faiths with sensitivity and respect in order to discern in the meeting the movement of God's Spirit which 'blows where it wills'".

What concerns me most about the concept of the Holy Spirit revealing the mysteries of God in a moment is that, to me, it is inconsistent with St Pauls teaching.

"Now you are the body of Christ and members of member. And God indeed has set some in the church; first apostles, secondly prophets, thirdly doctors: after that miracles: then the graces of healings, helps, governments, kinds of tongues, interpretations of speeches. Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all doctors? Are all workers of miracles? Have all the grace of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?"

It also seems to me to conflict with the Acts of the Apostles.

“And they were persevering in the DOCTRINE of the apostles and in the communication of the breaking of bread and in prayers.”

Now, doctrine means the act of "teaching" and "the knowledge imparted by teaching" - CATECHESIS or CATECHISM. Often doctrine specifically connotes a corpus of religious dogma as promulgated.

Of course the Holy Spirit is necessary for all of us, goes where He will and we have to embrace Him to comprehend the Father through His Son. However, we are cautioned by Christ:

"Not every one that says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that does the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in your name, and cast out devils in your name, and done many miracles in your name? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity."

You will probably say this applies to Catholicism. For me, being unconverted in a moment and desiring fuller knowledge of the deep mysteries of God, sufficient to reach our Heavenly destiny, I look to Rome and its 2000 years of Tradition and study by men of great faith filled with the Spirit of God.

My faith in Catholicism is strong. Traditional Catholics and Protestants alike besiege it following Vatican II - but I take seriously the following:

"Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved."

To my mind, despite your protestations to the contrary, you may not understand the Faith you left and are so opposed to now. If nothing else, do read
Lumen Gentium, the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church. For some this conceeded too much. Indeed, some see it as the beginning of a great apostasy.

One thing we can agree on is that the power of Satan is stronger than ever today. Maybe mankind is at a crossroads, it's really idle to speculate about the 'end times'. But I'm sure the 'prince of this world' takes great delight in the confusion he spreads.

Take care and I'm sure we will encounter one another again.

May God Bless you.

31 December 2010 at 01:16  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Mr Eman 31 December 2010 01:16

'Take care and I'm sure we will encounter one another again.'

Yes my wily friend, I am certain we JUST HAVE. I am wiser than you can possibly know and a astute discerner of people.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

31 December 2010 at 02:25  
Blogger A Simple Fool said...

Kingofhighcs

I don't know if I want to be friends with you just yet.

What does 'wily', 'wisdom' and 'astute discerner of people' mean?

I don't like difficult words.

1 January 2011 at 03:36  

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