Saturday, December 18, 2010

ParliOut

Through the decision of the Deputy Speaker Nigel Evans to ‘come out’, His Grace has become aware of a new support group in Parliament.

It is being launched, courtesy of the taxpayer, at a reception in the Speaker’s official residence on Monday evening, where Mr Evans ‘will celebrate his decision to go public’.

His Grace is very much in favour of any initiative which alleviates the suffering, injustice, prejudice and irrational discrimination endured by any member of any minority group. It is incumbent upon all reasonable human beings to love their neighbour and to be Good Samaritans wherever they can and whenever the opportunity to do good presents itself.

But a tax-payer subsidised support group aimed specifically at the LGBT (that is lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered) community really is at the extreme of inclusivity.

How many transgendered people work in Parliament?

Or is it unknown because they are not ‘out’?

Could someone please explain to His Grace why lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered need their own taxpayer-subsidised network in the Houses of Parliament?

And why the Speaker in particular is lending his support to this?

He is the network’s president. But to how many other minority support groups in Westminster has he bestowed his patronage?

His Grace is loath to ‘bang on’ about this (as he will doubtless be accused of doing), but whilst he is undoubtedly appalled by all manner of appalling persecution and discrimination against people because of their gender, disability, race, sexuality or waist size, he remains at a loss to know how forcing minority agendas down the throats of the majority is supposed to mitigate: indeed, it rather inflames resentment of other groups.

We appear to be developing a politico-philosophical phenomenon which would have engaged JS Mill no end: the tyranny of the minority.

And one dare not question this (actually, His Grace dares, but, unlike the SAS, does not therefore win). To question is taboo: to question is to be hateful, phobic, bigoted, etc., etc.

So, His Grace will not question too much: he will do as David Cameron has done and join with the national chorus of harmony on the matter…

But ParliOut?

Could they not have thought of something a little more… umm…, well, a little bit… better?

It doesn’t even make sense: Parliament is where one parleys with others: to parley is to talk, confer and debate: Parliament is the parlement, où l’on faire parler.

So ParliOut is to ‘talk out’.

But that is to filibuster.

As opposed to come out.

That would be VenirOut.

But then you lose the link with Parliament, which Mr Speaker is so keen to emphasise.

ParliGay would be more hip, but the emphasis is disproportionately on the homosexual male; the lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered might feel a little hard done by, which defeats the objective.

HomoParl?

BiParli?

ParliTrans?

ParLesGaBiTran?

Clumsy.

How many other minority groups have support networks in the Palace of Westminster?

Is there one for disabled people?

ParliDis?

This is a genuine question.

Are there not more disabled people in Parliament than there are transgendered?

What other minorities might feel discriminated against?

ParliJew?

ParliMuz?

And lumping the subcontinental karma-samsara traditions together, how about ParliHinBudSik?

Let’s not forget the adherents of most persecuted faith of all, who, although they outnumber both Jews and Sikhs in the UK, have no formal recognition on the 2011 Census Form.

ParliJed?

Perhaps what exercises His Grace on this matter is that it is actually more difficult to be ‘out’ as a Christian in Parliament than it is to be lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgendered.

And Christians in politics certainly get a much tougher deal from the media.

And His Grace does not mean ‘out’ in the sense of a ‘fairly classic Church of England faith (which) grows hotter and colder by moments’. He means ‘out’ as a devout and committed Christian who might wish to support the institution of marriage as a union between one man and one woman; who might define certain behaviour as 'sin'; who might wish to abolish abortion or at least mitigate the abuse by a reduction in the upper limit; who might wish to retain bishops in the House of Lords; who might wish to sustain the tradition of prayers to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob before each session of Parliament; who vigorously supports church schools and educational autonomy; who might defend the Establishment of the Church of England, and retain the XXXIX Articles of Religion and the Act of Settlement.

How hard is it to be ‘out’ in these beliefs?

Homophobia (as it is defined in the vernacular) is a hateful and unacceptable prejudice.

But Christianophobia (which has not even entered the vernacular) is as real as any irrational phobia, and Pope Benedict XVI is right to draw our attention to it during Advent.

Mainly because the Archbishop of Canterbury dare not speak out, for fear of being mocked and misrepresented by the media, or lectured to by the Prime Minister.

76 Comments:

Blogger Mr Eman said...

Well said!

I will resist the temptation to repeat Roman Catholic (Christian?)teaching regarding homosexuality, divorce, abortion, euphanaisa etc. Or to remind your readers these postions are rooted in 2000 years of theology, not discriminatory attitudes. Indeed all these 'liberation' agendas reflect the 'culture of death' and 'secularisation spoken of by his Holiness.

God Bless you during this Holy Season.

18 December 2010 at 11:24  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

How about...

GayParliPinballist

...for those who are blind, deaf, dumb and Gay

and what about us atheists...

Parli( )ists


As phobia is an “irrational fear” it should not be used when that fear is justified, ie Islamophobia. No one would have coined the term Fascistiphobia in the 30’s

18 December 2010 at 11:45  
Anonymous IanVisits said...

You say that the support group is being subsidised by the taxpayer, but I can't find any evidence that it is.

Can you provide details of how much funding the group is receiving, and which division within Parliament is accounting for those funds?

I suspect what you will find is that the group is akin to most other "social groups" in organisations across the country - in that it is being managed by people as a voluntary effort and often in their own time.

Even if a few moments are spent on the group during work hours, how is that any different from "tax payer subsidised smoking breaks" as a person nips outside for a fag?

18 December 2010 at 11:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This piece is appalling, badly written and misses the point entirely. Housing Benefit is for those in need of housing. Job Seekers Allowance is for those seeking a job. Those who cannot have children still pay Child Tax Credit etc. These thigs are not paid by the tax payer for the benefit of all. However, they are paid without question. Different sectors in society require different kinds of support. I wholly endorse such a support group, which has a fundamentally Christian ethos and may indeed encourage those who are transgendered to appear in Parliament and be open about their true selves. It is not forcing an issue down the throats of others. It is solely for the people for whom it is intended and appears to have no other political agenda. Do not patronise the persecuted. Even the French is incorrect.

18 December 2010 at 11:59  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr IanVisits,

Who is paying for the reception?

Who is on the guest list?

How many guests will be attending?

Who has compiled the guest list?

If you have ever organised or hosted (or been invoiced for) such an event in the Palace of Westminster, you will know that a drinks and canapes reception even for a modest gathering costs thousands of pounds.

18 December 2010 at 12:00  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

"Parlez-Vous?" has more of a romantic ring about it.

18 December 2010 at 12:22  
Anonymous JayBee said...

How about ParliUp.
A support group for dissidents of all persuasions.
President Guido Fawkes.
Gunpowder at taxpayers expense.

18 December 2010 at 13:28  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Your Grace, ParliOut is precisely what I feel about the lot of 'em, with one or two notable exceptions.

18 December 2010 at 13:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will dear old Harier Harmon start a group, I wonder, in support of those sending state benefits 'home' to relatives abroad?

ParliNuts!

18 December 2010 at 14:24  
Blogger Crusader said...

Aaaaarrrrhhhhh ....

What on God's good earth is going on?

Love the sinner - hate the sin. Not promote and glorify it!

18 December 2010 at 14:35  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Homosexuality is not a minority group, they are members of our Nation.

Many in Parlaiment are foreigners though and need outing.

18 December 2010 at 14:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What about a support group for all those poor, hard suffering MP's facing financial hardship because they can't fiddle their expenses anymore?

Parli'Fag'in

18 December 2010 at 14:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Or, a group for those MP's who have committed euphanaisa?

18 December 2010 at 14:49  
Anonymous Oswin said...

It's all very, very silly.

18 December 2010 at 15:06  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Parliament is a country club for larcenists. It does not represent the nation, nor does it have any legislative function. It is simply an assembly of personages to sit in awe of the Majesty of Government and the arbitrary exercise of power without scrutiny or hindrance.

The use of Secondary Legislation as a form of Enabling Act and the Guillotine to curtail debate are symbols of a rubber-stamp assembly.

In 1642 Members of Parliament risked their lives and property to stand up to a monarch exercising arbitrary powers to tax after ruling without parliament for years.

Today, the larcenists cannot risk party disfavour or loss of travel perks and kickbacks to challenge an oppressive Leviathan which permitted over £1 TRILLION of guarantees to banks to be made without parliamentary scrutiny, and has EU Regulations enacted into UK law without debate BECAUSE that Parliament agreed the EU Commission was the Supreme Law-Making Body......and did so without once asking Voters for approval.

It is a House of Larcenists and they can be transgendered, adulterous, whatever they choose; but representative they are not. The institution is corrupt

18 December 2010 at 15:19  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

Parliodd? or Parlidevi sounds good to me. They are all various deviations of the norm after all.

The Tories must be the gayest party around!

18 December 2010 at 15:33  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

....he remains at a loss to know how forcing minority agendas down the throats of the majority is supposed to mitigate: indeed, it rather inflames resentment of other groups.

Your Grace. Are you absolutely certain that you remain at a loss, because I would have thought the reason was as simple as it is obvious?

I have little doubt that your viewpoint is shared by the vast majority, myself being one of them.

Therefore we have to ask ourselves why is this sort of thing on any political party's agenda, especially as we are still supposed to be existing within a democracy?

We could also ask ourselves the same question regarding many other issues. For example capital punishment, middle-eastern wars, and our all but complete subservience to a wholly fascist, completely unaccountable European Super-State.

The answer is as simple as simple gets, and as obvious as obvious gets. Indeed so simple and obvious that surely even the BBC should be able to work it out, if the BBC was in anyway independent of the establishment which created it. Which it most clearly could not possibly be.

For those who are still not playing with anywhere near a full pack, I will now state this simple and obvious truth.

WE HAVE NEVER LIVED IN A TRUE ANYTHING, NEVER MIND A TRUE DEMOCRACY.

No, really NEVER, not ever. Not, not since William Ist, Wilson, Thatcher, or Blair, but not even since our cousins were still effectively swinging in the trees.

The people who run, nay own the establishment run the whole damned so called civilized WORLD, and have been doing so since civilization first came down from the heavens countless thousands of years ago.

Perhaps instead of constantly asking very sensible questions, you may like to start answering one or two of them every now and again?

If not, then fair enough, but please try to indulge this poor sinner for trying his best to do so.

If you lot had been holding this glorified monkey home, up for as long as I have. You would be forgiven for wanting to shrug the pointlessly ignorant object straight down the nearest black hole, many thousand of years ago.

A short burning at the stake! Ha, you simply don't know how lucky you were.

When anything other then a clear act of God happens on this planet, do not bother asking what are we to do about it. Ask yourselves, What are the proverbial THEY up to now, and then start praying. Not because praying will make much difference to the situation, but simply because praying is just about all that you can, or should do about it.

18 December 2010 at 15:55  
Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

How about a support group for those people that want a return to honour, morals, decency, and truth, in those that claim to govern us?

Call it, I dunno - Parly-A-Ment.

18 December 2010 at 16:26  
Anonymous Dick the Prick said...

Your Grace

Hmm. If it's just a few quid to get some bunting or something fine but anything more than that is bang out of order.

What on earth do they think straight people do? Enrol somewhere? For crying out loud.

Regards

DtP

18 December 2010 at 17:02  
Anonymous len said...

Our Society is in decline,and the various minority groups scrabbling for their 'rights' to be acknowledged and accepted by the majority are merely indicators of this decline.
False ideas are bringing about the decline of western culture. Carl F. H. Henry, in his book Twilight of a Great Civilization, says:
"There is a new barbarism. This barbarism has embraced a new pagan mentality . . . not simply rejecting the legacy of the West, but embracing a new pagan mentality where there is no fixed truth."
Biblical truth and Biblical values have been attacked by a succession of 'intellectuals'and has lead to waves of apathy and Atheism.(Darwin,Marx,and the most prominent at the moment Dawkin`s)
As we move further and further away from God there seems to be a progression starting with idolatry where self is exalted,then unnatural sex,moving on towards anarchy,until finally God 'gives them over 'to a debased mind, because they had not a love of the truth.
This series of events is clearly described in the Bible( Romans 1)
And clearly describes our Society.

18 December 2010 at 17:18  
Blogger English Viking said...

Voyager,

Truth Sir.

What a disgrace. A den of thieves,

18 December 2010 at 17:47  
Anonymous BH1 said...

Dick the Prick? Exactly. At least you recognise it. I'm not sure people have counselling/commit suicide/suffer bullying at the workplace and constant battles within themselves because of their heterosexuality, which is constantly endorsed. Nor is it hidden. When people finally acknowledge anyone's sexuality is not a 'choice', we will finally move on. Meanwhile, such hurtful, thoughtless and ignorant comments do nothing to promote Christianity and the church in the minds of those who are already dissuaded by the archaic and prejudiced institution it is perceived to be. More fool you. Ask what Jesus would do, and turn the mirror.

18 December 2010 at 18:54  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Jesus IS weeping.

Has anyone troubled themselves to read the Secrets of Fatima?

18 December 2010 at 19:19  
Anonymous len said...

BH1,
God has given us a Spiritual'mirror'(the Bible) it reveals our true condition.
Now we can turn away from Gods Word not liking what we see or we can face reality and repent.
We(Christians )could present an'easy 'user friendly version of Christianity,ie God loves everyone regardless ,non judgemental, form of Christianity which would be a half-truth.
God does love everyone ,but he hates sin, because sin leads people into bondage corrupts,entangles and eventually destroys.
So God gave a solution to sin when Jesus Christ took the punishment for humanities sin in His Body on the Cross at Calvary.
All we have to do is repent and accept Christ.

18 December 2010 at 20:15  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

BH1 Said
'I'm not sure people have counselling ( depression is more than only Sexual)/commit suicide ( are they the only ones who contemplate this)/suffer bullying at the workplace ( Disabled, Introverts, Women, Men, Colour, Race ???) and constant battles within themselves because of their heterosexuality, which is constantly endorsed.'
A foolish, biased opinion as a statement, as if only Homosexuals suffered from the above.
Christianity is not a 'Club' to join that needs better marketing, sharper recruitment practice, mood music, comfy environment.
It is a declaration of what God expects of his creation to do, a Living Faith and Relationship, individually, with Him. Repent of our sins and turn to the only one able to reconcile Man to God, The Lord Jesus Christ.

We need less 'Modernist Christianity' and more Truth.
So what if there are only 2 million christians who truly believe His right to tell us how to live, instead of 20 million who call themselves christians but who are truly deluded, not caring what He wants from His faithful, as long as they can do what is right within their own eyes. Well then, be a humanist!.
God does NOT need man, man NEEDS God.

'Ask what Jesus would do, and turn the mirror.'

He would say
Isaiah 1:18
'Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.'

Finally, 'When people finally acknowledge anyone's sexuality is not a 'choice', we will finally move on.'
If I was bisexual and could therefore choose either a man or a woman, how if this not a 'choice' as a lifestyle?
All the Holy Bible is full of verses condemning any sexually perversion as 'Sinful' and is therefore against how He WANTS us to live.

As Crusader said earlier, Love the sinner - hate the sin. Not promote and glorify it!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

18 December 2010 at 21:07  
Anonymous non mouse said...

How do they expect us to react about this?

Are they so utterly witless that they think they have nothing to do and expect us to take their pronouncements at face value? [We are re-made into their mirror-image... And they want the minority vote come AV?]

Do they think we need distraction from Global Warming? [And the associated costs.]

Do they merely want us sit arguing with each other? [Yet more polarity and deconstruction.]

Must we choose to become like their educational models, the 'franco-german filosofers,' because their claptrap says so, they pretend it's so much fun, and rainbows are so pretty? [Well b ...circuses, anyway.]

Or do they understand how utterly disgusted we are, and how their imagery degrades the erstwhile greatest of Parliaments? And, knowing that, do they goad us to further riots and revolts against their contemptible regime? [An excuse for them ... to do what?]

Or ... is something else important going on that we won't notice, because we're so distracted? [How's the ballot system getting along? How can we ensure that it's honest and reliable?]

Or which other bit of our national heritage are they giving away today?

18 December 2010 at 21:47  
Blogger Preacher said...

Your Grace.
Your comments serve to highlight the situation this country finds itself in. A hedonistic race to self destruct.
Self gratification without any thought of self control is their cry, "do as you please, eat drink & be merry for tomorrow we die."
"There is no God, no Heaven or Hell, even the Churches don't Preach it anymore."
Poor deluded fools.
And what of our responsibility?. I've been to many churches & sat through some wooly sermons. I've heard men of the cloth give p.c sermons, because they are afraid of offending or being prosecuted for calling it as it is, SIN.
I received information that sex education of an explicit nature is being considered, nay encouraged for 5-7year olds, the examples that were given would have led to arrest for corruption of a minor a few years ago.
It's heartbreaking that children are being denied the joys of their childhood & being catapulted into adulthood before their time.

What does it take before we stop living in a state of denial?.
This country is terminally ill, it needs the great physician to heal it.
Christians I call upon you to pray, beg, intercede & petition the Lord for a revival. It has to be a sovereign work of God, man cannot bring it about only the Lord can.
It will start with the Church & it will be painful for us, but surgery always is & it has to be endured fot the results it brings,
Health.
By Gods grace the country will be healed & delivered by the mercy of God.

18 December 2010 at 21:50  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Preacher

I've been attending Roman Catholic churches for over 50 years and have never heard a PC sermon yet. Some have flirted with 'Modernity' following Vatican II in the '60's. However, John Paul II curtailed the spread of this virus. In the main sermons I've heard have adhered to the constant teachings of the Catholic church.

Perhaps you should consider where your belief in God and His divine plan, can be best expressed and nurtured.

18 December 2010 at 23:36  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Preacher Said

'Christians I call upon you to pray, beg, intercede & petition the Lord for a revival.' If Only..I makes you wonder how bad it has got to get before we do.

'It will start with the Church & it will be painful for us, but surgery always is & it has to be endured fot the results it brings,
Health.' Will It or will it start with the whole nation called to repent like Nineveh?
The Church appears almost full of Priests and Pastors who sometimes preach as if there is No God or Saviour that we are called to Know and Love, just vain philosophy (words, words, words) and dry theology (knowing the ins and outs of the Word, greek, hebrew, latin but refusing to believe and live it).

'By Gods grace the country will be healed & delivered by the mercy of God.'

In our God can we confidently trust by His Promises that He ALWAYS gives Grace before Judgement. May our Nation hear His Voice when the time comes and Repent back to the Old Paths.

Eman said
'I've been attending Roman Catholic churches for over 50 years and have never heard a PC sermon yet' Most Definitely is the Church of Rome's motto 'semper eadem' Always The Same. It will allow some of its flock to flirt with catholic charisma, born again catholics etc but they are ALWAYS drawn back and held in check by The Church. It must give an impression by allowing these evangelical catholics (is there such a thing) that it is similar to Protestants but as Protestants doctrines ebb and flow, Catholicism by its doctrine shows it never changes as they are not biblically based but 'Inspired' by Church Fathers and Tradition (purgatory, indulgences, sacerdotal confession, infant baptism, etc!!

No, I think Preacher is much better and wiser for calling for Christians to repent rather than 'Going to Rome'.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

18 December 2010 at 23:49  
Anonymous srizals said...

Len said,
"So God gave a solution to sin when Jesus Christ took the punishment for humanities sin in His Body on the Cross at Calvary.
All we have to do is repent and accept Christ."

Couldn't he just forgive sins without any 'child abuse'?

18 December 2010 at 23:57  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals Said'

Question..Who was Hadrat Ayesha and how old was she when she married.

What has 'Child Abuse' got to do with Jesus Christ's dying for all sins and that forgiveness of ALL sins is Through Him as Len states.

I know what you are getting at (Catholic Priest were evil to behave like this with children, they deserve the full punishment of the Law) but is there not child abuse ( how can anyone marry a 9 yr old and believe it can ever be seen as acceptable within our western civilised society as YOUR ROLE MODEL, whereas we do NOT)in Islam by Muslims?.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

19 December 2010 at 00:19  
Anonymous srizals said...

Before engaging me with that paedophile bullet, I sincerely advise you to read up all about it and after you are ready to interact with me with that issue, do inform me.

What I mean by 'child abuse' is why did god punished his only begotten son for the sinning man? If this doctrine is fully believed by sinners, killers and mutilators, don't you realised how dangerous it would be to all those who dare not sin?

19 December 2010 at 00:48  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1339871/Off-head-Rushed-legislation-let-foreign-owner-privatised-Royal-Mail-remove-Queens-head-stamps.html

These politicians have nearly sold off all our national possessions and heritage.
Indeed 'Britain is the only country in the world allowed to use the head of state’s symbol on its stamps, with every other nation required to use an abbreviation of the country’s name.'

They ( politicians) cannot even organise a sale of the Post Office without causing damage to our State. Incompetent Morons!
Some of us would most definitely WANT our Sovereign's head on our Stamps..We are Great Britain!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS.

19 December 2010 at 00:55  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said.

Now WHICH Hadith should I accept as genuine then.

Your Religion's basis of truth is self reasoning and justifying!!
Mohammed wrote (he was Illiterate !!!) the Qu'ran from the words of the Angel Gabriel (He, Gabriel, is the Messianic Herald of Jesus, not Allah !!). Mohammed declares in the Qu'ran, he, Mohammed, is a man of the pinnacle of highest moral values. As The Qu'ran declares Mohammed to be of the highest morals, so then it MUST be true.
Yet, He, Mohammed wrote the Qu'ran, and Only him. Hmmm?? VERY WORRYING!

The Holy Bible is written by over 40 human writers, by The Authority of God Himself, throughout history who always agree, so we do not have to rely on the sole word of one Man/Writer, whereas Moslems MUST!!.

This is called self justification and circular reasoning in OUR SOCIETY.

Jesus was 33 years old when He died on the Cross for the sins of all men, including moslems like you, and you can be saved also IF you believe on Him.

He was not a child but a Man's age when He died for US.

HE WAS NOT PUNISHED!!!!
He was the ONLY PERSON who can/did EVER die to pay the penalty for sin IN FULL, FOR ALL MANKIND.
HE ,WILLINGLY CAME TO EARTH (His Decision), DIED FOR US, TO SAVE US, SO HOW IS GOD THE FATHER AN ABUSER??

Please brush up on OUR Old and New Testament, then try again!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

19 December 2010 at 01:22  
Anonymous john inman said...

WestMincer

19 December 2010 at 01:41  
Anonymous non mouse said...

KOHCs - thank you. You save the rest of us from attempting yet another explanation for pestiferati who have eyes to see....

As to the slime at what used to be Westminster: Why are they even selling the Post Office? Is that why we're all beset by rainbows - so that we don't notice one more insult to our independence?

Not that it makes much difference when all our foreign mail goes through germany anyway.

19 December 2010 at 02:18  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

non mouse said.

Thank you, 'Seeing, they cannot see and Hearing, they cannot hear because they are spiritually discerned' Verily, Verily!
It seems pointless, does it not?

You know, I have been stuck in freezing conditions like everyone else in our nation and have come to believe that God is mocking man with his climate change beliefs, especially our own Parliament, who have fervently incorporated it into a legally binding legislation against us and the ONLY nation to do this.

He shows that man is deceiving himself and yet people are still duped and blinded to the glaringly obvious.

God declares HE will bring all things to a conclusion, not man.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

19 December 2010 at 02:39  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Yes -- I've recently begun to think retrospectively about the assassinations of JFK and MLK. One, RC and a successful fighter of communism; the other a successful mobilizer of Christians.

It does make one wonder... about the traction their opposition presently has.

Here we are, all alone out here on this little pebble: not even a fit footstool for God! And all they can do is misrepresent everything from snow, to rainbows, joy, and Archbishops.

Monty Python had it right in the Galaxy song, at least:))

19 December 2010 at 03:52  
Anonymous srizals said...

Why do you keep on canceling your own argument Mr. K? You know that Muhammad was an illiterate and yet you said he wrote the Koran? Is this an example of the so-called circular reasoning Mr. K?

God had chosen him, an illiterate so that no one can accused him as being the author of the Koran and abuse it as he pleased. Then and even now. Clear?

You should have read about him in the first place for having hating him so much. We do not hate anything out of ignorance Mr. K. The higher beings of the snub entity might look down on you. You know that humility isn't one of their best traits.

Ok, now, where is in the bible that said Jesus came to be killed on the cross. Careful now. Don't repeat your mistake thrice. Do inform me when you have done your research on paedophilia and marriages in the world, present and past. My brain cells are getting itchy. Maybe it's the spirit of ice you're having.

19 December 2010 at 05:46  
Blogger Gnostic said...

LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

How about a support group for those people that want a return to honour, morals, decency, and truth, in those that claim to govern us?

Call it, I dunno - Parly-A-Ment.


Mr L, that is is an excellent question.

19 December 2010 at 08:17  
Blogger Chancellor More said...

I'm truly shocked by the bitterness, lack of respect and hatred evidenced in some of these comments. And by the disrepect shown towards towards the Paliament. There are many men and women of goodwill in this institution.

As for Muhommed, he was a poor torured soul suffering from physical and mental and spiritual infirmities. He succumbed to the temters vain promises.

The evil one's purpose is to spread lies and division. I can smell his odious influence throughout this world as he grows stronger.

In the name of God, Christians learn to listen and respect one an other. Show some agape towards all your brothers and sisters.

I once asked Henry if, like his Saviour, he would be willing to wash the feet of his Counsellors. My path to death started there.

Would you wash one anothers feet?

19 December 2010 at 10:21  
Anonymous len said...

Mr More,
Less is more,(More or less)

How can two walk together unless they are in accord?

19 December 2010 at 10:27  
Anonymous srizals said...

Mr. K is away fending frost bite, maybe Len can enlighten me why is the so merciful god can't just forgive the sins of the mortal man without having his only son, only son I repeat die horribly for sins not committed by him. Len, show me the meaning of being lonely.

19 December 2010 at 11:09  
Anonymous srizals said...

Can't help it. Do you know what is the meaning of 'circumcise' Len?

19 December 2010 at 11:12  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Chancellor More said 19 December 2010 10:21

'There are many men and women of goodwill in this institution.'
The pathway to hell is strewn with 'the goodwill/intentions of men. We are called to follow Christ, not men.

Mohammed was a tribal warfarer who invented the Qu'ran to JUSTIFY his behaviour and murder, obtaining followers by declaring only HE was inspired by Allah (False pagan Moon God) and men should follow his religion.

'In the name of God, Christians learn to listen and respect one an other.'
I love ALL MEN, not JUST Christians, as Christ COMMANDED me to.

'Show some agape towards all your brothers and sisters.' WE DO, WHO LOVE CHRIST AND HIS COMMANDMENTS, by telling you/them that you are lost in a false gospel that saves NO MAN. How is this Not Love?.

No POPE or False Prophet has EVER died for me, No Archbishop or Cardinal, Priest or Politician either. ONLY JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR ALL MEN so Believe and worship Him as he died to fully pay the price for sin so Where He now IS , You may be also..Not trapped in Purgatory, awaiting goodness knows how many masses or indulgences, lit candles etc, that can Never tell you even if the lost soul is saved by these man-made heresies.

As Len correctly states 'How can two walk together unless they are in accord?'.

Let go of your 'Romish Dogma' whereby no man is Saved but turn to Him who has bought you by His PRECIOUS BLOOD.. I state this as an Ex Catholic.

As if Henry was a Christian ?, 'By their friuts are they known'..Verily Verily

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

19 December 2010 at 11:51  
Anonymous len said...

Sizals
Until you understand the nature of God and the nature of man you will be unable to understand the bible(or God)
Man (through the fall)inherited a sin nature,he can do nothing to change this! Being good, praying three times a day ,doing good deeds does nothing but make one a 'good' sinner (and who wants to be the 'best sinner' who ever went to Hell?)
So God clad in human flesh came to Earth (Himself) and took this sin nature on Himself(He who knew no sin became sin)and that sin nature died with Him)He them rose again perfect.
This is Gods solution for sinners to die with Him and rise again, sharing the same Spirit.Leaving the old corrupted nature in the grave.This is the exchange God made with sinners through the cross of Jesus Christ.

Man`s solution to sin is to clean up your act,become 'good'but God says this is pointless you are still a sinner and deserve death!.
How can a righteous God condone sin by pretending it doesn`t exist and turn a 'blind eye 'to it?
If you say you are without sin you make God to be a liar.
(For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Romans 3:23)

19 December 2010 at 12:02  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals said
'Why do you keep on canceling your own argument Mr. K? You know that Muhammad was an illiterate and yet you said he wrote the Koran? Is this an example of the so-called circular reasoning Mr. K?'

IT IS CALLED 'IRONY' and you show by your responses that you are beyond understanding this.

'God had chosen him, an illiterate so that no one can accused him as being the author of the Koran and abuse it as he pleased. Then and even now. Clear? ' IRONY?!!!!!!!!!


And WHO ONLY was this declaration from Allah given to...IRONY

Definition of IRONY
'an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.' Or 'an objectively sardonic (disdainfully humorous) style of speech or writing. '

I have spent hours taking you through Holy Scripture, only for you NEVER to comprehend the answers, as you do not search for THE TRUTH. You are unable to know the Spiritual Things of God as you are LOST in Islam.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

19 December 2010 at 12:08  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Len said. 19 December 2010 12:02

You speak the Truth.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

19 December 2010 at 12:11  
Blogger srizals said...

The call to pray for the fifth and the last time for today is in the cool night air. We'll resume afterwards Gents.

19 December 2010 at 12:21  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals Said
What more is there to discuss?
Why Sacrifice is NEEDED ??.

Hebrews 9:22
22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Jesus was a sacrifice because - when God tore the veil in two from top to bottom when Jesus died - it meant that Christ's death opened an unobstructed way to God (Matthew 27:51)
'51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;'.

Before, only the high priest could enter the Holy of Holies (only once a year), and never without blood to cover his personal and national sins.
Hebrews 9:7 says,
"7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:"

Jesus was a sacrifice because God honored it alone - of all the sacrifices ever offered - with the victory of bodily resurrection.

That's why Paul states that Christ's death made a spectacle of all opposition to God (Colossians 2:15).
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

No further sacrifice was needed. Christ's own perfect sacrifice forty years before not only eliminated the temple's relevance, but received God's imprimatur (Official Approval) three days later.

Christ's resurrection guaranteed our freedom from sin while it legally and morally bound us to his grace. Since His sacrifice was all sufficient, there is nothing we can do to deserve it.
Since His resurrection verified His sacrifice's sufficiency, there is NOTHING we won't do for Him in appreciation.

Revelation 5:12
12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

19 December 2010 at 12:45  
Anonymous Oswin said...

srizals @23.57

You, of all people, of all faiths, would dare to raise the subject of 'child-abuse' ??? Are you not familiar with the concept of irony?

I have not yet read the comments following your gaff, but I'd wager I could guess at them!

19 December 2010 at 16:40  
Anonymous srizals said...

I was worried about you Oswin, I thought the blizzard had caught you trapped and dying somewhere, oh, well, glad you're still ticking, as always.

How do I get over with this high class British Irony?

You said that there were over 40 writers, all humans as the writers of the gospels. I'm not sure whether you are referring to the OT or NT, or both, but you have forgotten the 'editors'.

While self-editing is evident, major one was done at Nicaea, a council was forged by the pagan Emperor Constantine. They have decided that Jesus was the son of god, omission or addition of verses can't be assumed of not happening at all, and the outcome was only the four gospels to be canonized as the foundation of the Christian faith, and the irony, not all bishops had attended, most importantly, any companions of Jesus that could have counter check any error. The continuity was broken.

That is why you're dodging my simple question asking the definition of the word 'circumcise' which would have proof glaringly that the bible have been tampered with, what more would the 4 gospels. Instead of using the word 'purify', strangely the word 'circumcise' was used, and knowingly, to highlight the circumcision of Abraham as an important part of the covenant.

Dear readers, even the book of Revelation was not written by anyone who knew Jesus Christ nor his disciples, and yet somehow he was granted 'the apostle', so how can you believed firmly what you believe?

There are so many uncertainties, for instance, Paul was said to be a crucifier of Christians, and then some said he was not. So which is which?

19 December 2010 at 17:34  
Anonymous len said...

Srizels,
Why don`t you read the Bible?

All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,(2Timothy 3:16)

19 December 2010 at 17:43  
Anonymous srizals said...

Deuteronomy 30:6 (King James Version)

"6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live."

Note the word 'circumcise'.

Please don't dodge this. It is unbecoming of you Mr. K.
Maybe Oswin or Non Mouse have a clue. They may assist you if they want to. I won't be offended.

Len's sincerity is most welcomed.
That is why I am angry Len, I can't determine which in the Bible is God's and which is not. Someone has to bear my wrath. Because of this 'misunderstanding' many have gone astray and ended up being zombies of the 'higher beings', a self-cleaning people that sinned beyond Sodom and Gommorah and killed his fellow humans with ease as if they were flies. And yet they glaringly declared that Jesus had never done the hideous things they had done and are doing now.

19 December 2010 at 18:00  
Anonymous len said...

Srizels,
Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God?

19 December 2010 at 18:00  
Anonymous srizals said...

Yes Len, in the sense of the uncorrupted bible or the Injil brought by the holy Prophet Jesus a.s. or known to you as the Old Testament. You see, one of the noble 6 pillars of Faith for Muslims, being the third is believing in the books revealed by God to His prophets. We revered Jesus son of Mary as one of the holy Prophets of God, among a series of Prophets to mankind since the beginning of Adam a.s. and awaits for his second coming before the end of days to lead the good against evil. He was betrayed by the Israelite then, and outnumbered by the Romans. He won't be alone at that time.

19 December 2010 at 18:21  
Anonymous len said...

To say Jesus is merely a prophet makes no sense because Jesus claimed to be God.
So He either was a liar or God.There is no other explanation!


"He was baptized as a man -- but He remitted sins as God...He was tempted as man, but he conquered as God...He hungered -- but He fed thousands...He was wearied, but He is the rest of them that are weary and heavy-laden. He was heavy with sleep, but He walked lightly over the sea...He pays tribute, but it is out of a fish; yea He is the king of those who demanded it...He prays, but he hears prayer. He weeps, but He causes tears to cease. He asks where Lazarus was laid, for He was man; but He raises Lazarus, for He was God. He is sold, and very cheap, for it is only for thirty pieces of silver; but He redeems the world, and that at a great price, for the price was His blood. As a sheep he is led to the slaughter, but He is the shepherd of Israel, and now of the whole world also...He is bruised and wounded, but He heals every disease and every infirmity. He is lifted up and nailed to the tree, but by the tree of life He restores us. He dies, but he gives life, and by His death He destroys death."

I know Muslims and Mormons, Christian Scientists, Jehovah Witnesses, Unitarians, Scientologists, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Seventh Day Adventists -and many others - will not want to hear this, but the Bible declares that Jesus was the FINAL revelation of God to man (Hebrews 1:1-3). There have been no others.

19 December 2010 at 19:06  
Blogger Chancellor More said...

KINGOFHIGHRC

Friend

You appear to have misunderstood me. Christ, of course is our Redeemer. However, His message has to be interpreted and applied by man in humility. The Apostles were commissioned to spread Our Lord's message and warned they would face many trials.

Are you questioning the servants who gave their lives for Christ? Starting with Saint Stephen countless men and women have given their lives to promote the message of Christ, and still continue to do so.

Now, I am no theologian, prefering to leave this to those dedicated brethen who devote their lives to this. Times change and Christ's message has to be applied in these changing times.

You are clearly a man of passion and conviction and, dare I say, somewhat proud of your ability. You turn away from Catholism and the protestantism, deciding you are capable, alone, of understanding God's word. So many heretics have troden you path and strayed from the straight and narrow.

Tradition and the works of men? All rejected and secondary to your own personal understanding! You reject Apostolic succession. You reject Church Councils. I am unclear just what you do believe!

In my experience men of passion, unless this is tempered by humility, are prone to error. In your profile you appear to reject teaching or instruction. You also appear to reject St Paul's teaching - or is this not in your New Testament?

In your profession were you taught and instructed? Did you awake one day with all the knowledge and skills necessay to ply you trade?

So, friend, tread cautiously less you lead yourself astray.

God Bless
God's Servant First

19 December 2010 at 20:47  
Blogger Preacher said...

Srizals.
In answer to your question about why God sent His son to die for sinful man, which you claim is child abuse. You obviously have a Bible, I would suggest you look up the word incarnation.
If nothing is impossible for God then if He so desires can He not become a human being? & if our sins are so reprehensible to Him that in His righteous judgement He says "The wages of sin is death" will you contradict Him?. If He decrees that a sinless substitute will be an acceptable offering because of His great love & mercy- for you will you reject His offer?. If the only person that could live without sinning for 33 years was God incarnate who voluntarily gave His sinless life for you & offered you redemption for eternity that all the religions or good deeds or pilgrimages were unable to attain for you would you laugh him to scorn?. Throughout the Old & New testaments the law is the same- "without the shedding of Blood there is NO remission (cancelling out) of sin". Think carefully my friend. A lot depewnds on it!.

19 December 2010 at 21:13  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

At least he had the wit and the decency to vote against the further extension of the dangerously low age of consent at 16, to vote against the civil partnerships arbitrarily restricted to unrelated same-sex couples, and to vote against the pantomime repeal of Section 28, under which no prosecution had ever been brought, and which had never been known to cause a single case of the much-trumpeted school bullying, any form of which is exactly as unacceptable as any other form, as anyone knows who deserves to hold any position in a school.

19 December 2010 at 21:49  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Chancellor More said
Part 1
'You appear to have misunderstood me. Christ, of course is our Redeemer..
I am an ex catholic, I have NOT misunderstood you. He is NOT accepted as a Full Redeemer or of completing a full redemptive act on the Cross by the Church of Rome and Anathema is pronounced against any who proclaim this!! DO YOU NOT EVEN KNOW THE BELIEFS OF OUR CHURCH?
Mary, his earthly mother, is even added as a Co-Redemptrix and Co Mediatrix between God and Men by The Church..BLASPHEMY!!!
It is an anathema to believe that Christ Fully Paid the price for sin when died as a 'once and for all sacrifice' on the Cross at Calvary as declared by God's Word whereas Church tradition and dogma declares we, must ADD to HIS work (BLASPHEMY) by endless paid masses, indulgences, prayers, charitable works, scapulars, lit candles, self flaggellation etc, AND EVEN THEN, NOT KNOWING IF ENOUGH HAS BEEN DONE TO BE SAVED.

However, His message has to be interpreted and applied by man in humility....'I MUST ACCEPT FALLIBLE MEN'S (Infallible popes and their church council's) INTERPRETATION OF THE HOLY WORD OF GOD...BUT IN HUMILITY OF COURSE? Two 'infallible' ? Popes are declared as Holy See at the same time, cursing anaethema at each other. some of the most vile people who ever lived are called infallible popes yet I am supposed to see this and say, MY GOD IS A LIAR AND A HYPOCRITE, ASKING ME TO BE HOLY, YET THESE DEVIL WORSHIPPERS ARE HIS INFALLIBLE VESSELS..YOU ARE MOST DELUDED, AS WE ARE IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH TO BELIEVE THIS.
I CAN SEE ERROR AND KNOW IT, CAN YOU? I reject this and all erroneous catholic teaching, hence my being an ex catholic.

'Are you questioning the servants who gave their lives for Christ? Starting with Saint Stephen' NEVER but your definition is different from Mine. All believers are called SAINTS by God not just people Catholics want to Canonise and Beatify.

'Times change and Christ's message has to be applied in these changing times.' WRONG, CHRIST MESSAGE IS ETERNAL AND NEVER CHANGES, OR NEEDS TO BE RE-INTERPRETED FOR FALLEN MEN..

'You turn away from Catholism and the protestantism, deciding you are capable, alone, of understanding God's word.'
Catholicism is MANS attempt to integrate Paganism with Christianity. An Abomination before God.
Where does God declare I must worship Statues, of Christ, Mary, Apostles etc..
Where does God declare I must say confession my sins to fallible men whereas He, Christ, is the only Mediator and Forgiver of sins.
Where does God declare I must work out my OWN salvation.

Some Protestants still cling to catholic dogma because they WERE Catholics, hence the name 'Protest'ants, (Cal;vin or Luther) they were protesting as Catholics???!!! I REJECT ALL CATHOLIC TRADITION AND DOGMA.. ONLY CHRIST AND GOD'S HOLY WORD IS SUFFICIENT IN ALL THINGS FOR ME.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

20 December 2010 at 04:12  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Chancellor More said

Part 2
''You reject Apostolic succession. You reject Church Councils.' WHERE IS THIS APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION??? SEE my statement above re POPES and their councils!!! GOD WOULD USE THESE VILE PEOPLE AS HIS HOLY VESSELS..Only Catholics could be so deluded to refuse to SEE REASON AND TRUTH as we are expected to accept BLINDLY any rubbish throw at US.

'You also appear to reject St Paul's teaching - or is this not in your New Testament? Seriously..The Epistles of St Paul condemn the heresies of Catholicism more than ANY other writer of the Bible..Why do you believe WE accept Peter instead of Paul as the 1st BISHOP OF ROME. HE WAS THE APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES, NOT PETER and set up, through HIS preaching of the Gospel, the early church of believers in Rome!!! but his epistles condemn US (CATHOLICISM) !!!!!!!

'In your profession were you taught and instructed? Did you awake one day with all the knowledge and skills necessay to ply you trade?'n your profession were you taught and instructed? Did you awake one day with all the knowledge and skills necessay to ply you trade?'..
HMMM, He is called THE HOLY SPIRIT AND OUR COMFORTER AND LEADS IS INTO THE THINGS OF GOD THE FATHER AND HIS CHRIST, DECLARED BY GOD'S WORD IN THE HOLY BIBLE. YOU TOO CAN RECEIVE HIM AND RECEIVE HIS GUIDANCE IF YOU BELIEVE FULLY THAT THE LORD HAS PAID FOR YOUR SINS FULLY AND YOU CAN BE ALSO WHERE HE IS, FULLY FORGIVEN!!! Or is God a Liar and cannot accomplish the things or promises He declares in His Word.

May God Bless you too BUT, more importantly, may he open your eyes to see the WONDERFUL GOD, WHO BY COMING AND LAYING DOWN HIS LIFE FOR YOU, HAS PAID FOR YOUR REDEMPTION IN FULL, SO WHERE HE IS NOW, YOU MAY BE WITH HIM ALSO!!!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

20 December 2010 at 04:21  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Chancellor More said

Do you want to know where the FOOLISH Dogma of Catholicism leads??

My father is an Atheistic Catholic (he is not unique and therefore not the only one who thinks like this in Catholicism).

He does Not Believe in God (if he dies it does not matter, as there is nothing) yet he thinks IF there IS A GOD, some Catholic Pope will be at the pearly gates, waving him through because he was once baptised into the Church Of Rome, went to a few masses..and maybe people will by endless paid masses, indulgences, prayers, charitable works on his behalf,light candles for him etc, may just help get him through purgatory.He is STILL certain however, there is No God!

This is where folly leads to and is condemned by Gods Word.

NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY I REJECT CATHOLICISM BY MY DECLARING ALL THE ABOVE.

IT LEADS TO DEATH AND PERDITION.YET THERE IS NO NEED IF YOU BELIEVE THE TRUTH'

John 18:38
'Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault [at all].'
Reply
John 3:16
'16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

20 December 2010 at 04:39  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals Said
That is why you're dodging my simple question asking the definition of the word 'circumcise' which would have proof glaringly that the bible have been tampered with, what more would the 4 gospels. Instead of using the word 'purify', strangely the word 'circumcise' was used, and knowingly, to highlight the circumcision of Abraham as an important part of the covenant.


I have told you REPEATEDLY Christians in large part REJECT THE NESTORIAN BIBLE TEXTS AS CORRUPT, We accept Textus Receptus, Septugaint and Hebrew as the ONLY GENUINE text, uncorrupted unlike heretical authors at Alexandria, who obviously you LOVE TO QUOTE FROM.

You are obviously trying to state Why did Abraham Circumcise Ishmael and he, Ishmael, is therefore of Gods Promise.

Wrong see;
Genesis 17:10-21
10This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised.

11And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.

12And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

13He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.

14And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.

15And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be.

16And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her.

17Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?

18And Abraham said unto God, O that Ishmael might live before thee!

19And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.

20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.

21BUT MY COVENANT WILL I ESTABLISH WITH ISAAC, WHICH SARAH SHALL BEAR UNTO THEE AT THIS SET TIME IN THE NEXT YEAR.

SO HOW CAN WE KNOW THAT ISHMAEL IS NOT OF GODS PROMISE?

Genesis 15:3-8
3And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.

4And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir.

5And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.

6And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

7And he said unto him, I am the LORD that brought thee out of Ur of the Chaldees, to give thee this land to inherit it.

8And he said, LORD God, whereby shall I know that I shall inherit it?

GOD GIVES ABRAHAM HIS ,GOD'S, HOLY ETERNAL PROMISE!!!

Genesis 15:13

13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

14And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.

WHEN WERE THE CHILDREN OF ISHMAEL EVER SLAVES OF PHAROAH??

YOU QUESTION IS RIGHTLY ANSWERED!!!!

SO SAYS KINGOFHIGHCS

20 December 2010 at 05:13  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals Said 19 December 2010 17:34

It is becoming fruitless explaining over and over historical fact to you as you REFUSE to investigate it yourself..Lets try again.

'You said that there were over 40 writers, all humans as the writers of the gospels. I'm not sure whether you are referring to the OT or NT, or both, 'MY ANSWER PREVIOUSLY IS SELF EXPLANATORY 'The Holy Bible is written by over 40 human writers, by The Authority of God Himself, TRHROUGHOUT HISTORY who always agree'..THE HOLY BIBLE IS BOTH OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT..OPEN ONE AND SEE, ITS DECLARED ON THE FRONT..OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE NEVER DONE THIS!!!

but you have forgotten the 'editors' WHAT EDITORS?? WHO ARE THEY YOU CLAIM?
'While self-editing is evident' WHERE?
'major one was done at Nicaea, a council was forged by the pagan Emperor Constantine. ' WRONG, I HAVE TOLD YOU BEFORE, THIS COUNCIL WAS DECLARED TO REMOVE HERETICAL FALSE LETTERS OR INSPIRED LETTERS OUT OF CIRCULATION, THAT WERE PROMOTING HERESY CONTRARY TO THE GENUINE INSPIRED DOCUMENTS!
'They have decided that Jesus was the son of god, (THE TRUE DOCUMENTS DECLARED THIS AS SO) omission or addition of verses can't be assumed of not happening at all, and the outcome was only the four gospels to be canonized as the foundation of the Christian faith, and the irony,( OH..YOU MENTION IRONY THEN) not all bishops had attended, most importantly, any companions of Jesus that could have counter check any error.(IT WAS IRRELEVANT IF THERE WERE 50 OR 500 BISHOPS THERE, THEY HAD THE GENUINE LETTERS ETC TO EXAMINE AND REJECT THE FALSIFIED ONES) The continuity was broken.THE INSPIRED LETTERS AND DOCUMENT WERE IN EXISTENCE, THERE WAS NO NEED TO RE-WRITE ANYTHING AND BY RE-WRITING THEM, IT WOULD ONLY HAVE SHOWN THESE TO BE FALSE AS THE ORIGINALS WERE ALREADY KNOW AND HELD BY THE CHURCHES.
OR DO YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HOW JEWS OR CHRISTIANS COPIED THEIR DOCUMENTS THROUGH PAINSTAKINGLY BEING LOOKED AT OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY OTHER SCHOLARS FOR ERROR IN COPYING!!!
'Dear readers, even the book of Revelation was not written by anyone who knew Jesus Christ nor his disciples, and yet somehow he was granted 'the apostle', so how can you believed firmly what you believe?'
HE WAS THE 'BELOVED DISCIPLE OF JESUS CALLED JOHN, AUTHOR OF JOHN'S GOSPEL AND JOHN'S LETTERS 1 & 2, IMPRISONED ON PATMOS BY DOMITIAN, RELEASED AFTER HE, CAESAR, DIED.JOHN DIED IN EPHESUS SURROUNDED BY THE PEOPLE HE LOVED AND WHO LOVED HIM!

ANSWERED AGAIN IN FULL.

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

20 December 2010 at 07:33  
Anonymous srizals said...

Mr. Kingofhighcs,

I'm not interested in the question of the legitimacy of Palestine according to the covenant based on your logic as God is on a weak part of the covenant, bound to fulfill His part of the promise whereas His creations held the upper hand, always. They could ignore their responsibilities and duties to God and get away with it. It doesn't ring too well in a relationship between the Creator and the weak creations that depends on Him, not the otherwise. Thank God, my sons and daughter aren't reading any of this, if they do, I'm a dead meat! It doesn't make any sense at all.

God is the most merciful. He forgives and punishes whom He wills according to His law as He is the Creator of everything that exist in this universe, not just earth. The only rule of the thumb is humility before God. It only requires us asking for His forgiveness only as the Creator and repenting by not doing the sins again and follow them with good deeds if it doesn't involved any living souls. If it does, then repentance is not sufficient. The right and loss of others must be attended to.

Like I said earlier if any of you've noticed, I couldn't have believed a persecutor cum saviour and has many issues as a trustworthy nor without any endorsement by the pious and well-known religious figures and proof from the scriptures and the abundance of truth proven in time and even at that time. Muhammad was known as Al Amin (The Trustworthy) by the pagan Arabs, not by Muslims.

Among the proof that the West still cannot comprehend is the marriage of a 9 year old girl which was the norm then, it is even a norm now, I mean they are no longer little children since they are able to conceive and function as a woman. This is the very fact that none of Muhammad's critic can ever escape from reason. The very fact that early bride age was a norm hundred years after Muhammad s.a.w. marriage is ignored. The fact that even nowadays, the girls are reaching puberty earlier and able to carry a child in their womb and deliver a life has purposely been ignored as proven in Thailand. There are many more. Children stop to be children when they can perform adult bodily function. Our civilisation stop them from fending on their own. Their biological clock do not change according to our civilisation. It remained naturally the same. Browse for youngest mother and you'll be dead surprise. Even scientists in Britain is worried of the 'new' phenomena of early puberty which of course means sexual maturity. The fact that it is not written in fancy books by fancy writers doesn't mean they don't exist Non Mouse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7824699/Girls-now-reaching-puberty-before-10-a-year-sooner-than-20-years-ago.html

20 December 2010 at 07:43  
Anonymous srizals said...

We knew about it 1,400 years ago.
Anyway, the moral standing of some of us that indulge ourselves in the sex revolution which know no boundaries questioned our very essence as persecutor. What more in fighting the nature of man and woman from the need of sex, which is quite natural for an organism that depends on new blood for future existence. Bound in holy matrimony, not like the chickens.

The very essence of paganism which worship earthly figures whether they are man-made or created beings or animals or man himself is why I can't accept any other religion than what I have. On the contrary of popular belief that it is easy for me since I'm a Muslim in understanding the foundation of my faith is mostly untrue. Each Muslim must go on his own journey of understanding himself and Islam and eventually Allah. Seeing so many injustices and the prowess of the dominant evil ones and how evil eluded justice around us or in a global event, test our very faith on daily basis. Salman Rushdie is a manifest example that not all Muslims can survive the journey.

It is never easy to retain the goodness in oneself. The test never stops as the gifts do not either. And all this will end with Heaven and Hell. All the sufferings, confusions of 0 - 120 years of life that we have is nothing compared to the everlasting life promised by God, both in Hell or Heaven. We do not go away as Science would have told you. But I leave it to the smart atheists to figure it out.

Could you quote your authoritative bible regarding the verse in question Mr. K?

Deuteronomy 30:6. If you said you don't recognise it, then there is no such thing as a Judeao-Christian foundation that we have believed all this while. Thanks.

20 December 2010 at 07:44  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals Said

Thank God, my sons and daughter aren't reading any of this, if they do, I'm a dead meat! It doesn't make any sense at all.

EXACTLY, SO WHY DO YOU COME HERE TO THIS BLOG..TO TRY AND GIVE OTHERS WHO ARE LESS KNOWLEDGEABLE DOUBTS??
WELL THERE IS ALWAYS MYSELF AND OTHERS HERE WHO WILL COUNTER YOUR DECEPTIVE QUESTIONS WITH THE TRUTH..YOU CALL YOURSELF A TRUTHSEEKER BUT YOU CANNOT DISCERN SPIRITUAL THINGS BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE A LIE.!!!

ARE YOU SERIOUS..IT IS AN ABOMINATION THAT AN ADULT WOULD WANT SEX WITH A 9 YR OLD BECAUSE SHE IS REACHING PUBERTY.
EVEN YOUR OWN QU'RAN CONDEMNS SEX WITH IMMATURE CHILDREN..UNLESS OF COURSE IT WAS MOHAMMED!!! ONE RULE FOR ONE, ONE FOR ANOTHER??

Could you quote your authoritative bible regarding the verse in question Mr. K?

EVEN ATHEISTS WOULD CONDEMN THIS, LET ALONE CHRISTIANS...
ITS CALLED A CIVILISED SOCIETY AND IT'S RESPONSIBILITIES!!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

20 December 2010 at 08:02  
Blogger srizals said...

EVEN YOUR OWN QU'RAN CONDEMNS SEX WITH IMMATURE CHILDREN.

Where? Do you know the verses of the bible that touch the same issue?

John of Patmos is a different person Mr. K.

"Norman Perrin makes the following comments (The New Testament: An Introduction, pp. 81-2):
That John of Patmos can be identified as a prophet is more important to understanding his work than identifying him with some other individual named John in the New Testament. Traditionally it has been claimed that he is the John, son of Zebedee, known to us from the gospel stories, but this is most unlikely. It has also been claimed that he is the "John" of the fourth gospel, but the difference in language and style alone makes this identification quite impossible. However, that he is able to identify himself, and as a prophet (in sharp contrast to the pseudonymity and practice of apocalyptic writers in general), speaks volumes for the vitality, power, and self-confidence of New Testament Christianity.
Another most unusual aspect of the book of Revelation is its letters to seven churches in Asia Minor: Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea (see chapters 2 and 3). This is unparalleled in apocalyptic writing and has to be due ultimately to the impact that Paul's letter writing made on the New Testament church. Paul's letters had become so important that the literary form was imitated even by an apocalyptic writer. The book of Revelation as a whole has the external form of a letter in that it begins with an opening salutation (1:4-6) and closes with a benediction (22:21). The contrast in literary form between the direct address of the letters and the symbolic drama of the remainder of the book is startling, but no more so than the fact that an apocalyptic writer identifies himself and calls his work a prophecy."
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/revelation.html

20 December 2010 at 10:35  
Blogger srizals said...

some more,
http://www.enotes.com/classical-medieval-criticism/revelation-john-patmos

http://www.4enoch.org/wiki/index.php?title=John_of_Patmos

"The first few centuries, most of the early writers on Christianity assume John is the apostle of Christ, the same author as the Gospel of John. Perhaps they assume that he is the last surviving apostle of Christ who was exiled to Patmos by Domitian’s minions. In fact, it appears that John needs a history so one is created for him."
http://bookoflife.org/history/apocalypse/jop/index.htm

Everyone knew and sure who was the companions of Muhammad and Aisyah r.a. that would outlived many of the Prophets' companions. She even had a complete Koran in her possession.

20 December 2010 at 10:37  
Blogger srizals said...

Abomination to have same sex marriages, to kill and steal other's home and lands. Abomination of manipulating God's words, to have aborted babies in the millions Mr. K as a norm. Abomination to have men of god abused so many. Abomination to have gay priests. If this is what the civilised claimed as civilisation, I am very, very sorry for them.

20 December 2010 at 10:44  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals Said.20 December 2010 10:35

Is this the same Professor Norman Perrin (1920-1976 Who was Associate Professor of New Testament, at the Divinity School, University of Chicago. and known for his work on Redaction Criticism of the New Testament and devoted student of Rudolf Karl Bultmann Form Criticist. Who taking only faith, refusing the evidence of known historical facts in Documention and Archaelogical Evidence.

Redaction/Form criticism is refuted by the evidence of the reliability of the historic documents.This fact that All the prophecies were indeed made and fulfilled, and that the Bible is archaeologically accurate. Due to the science of Textual Criticism, the original texts of the Bible can be reconstructed with a great deal of accuracy, their prophetic nature verified, and their inspiration maintained. JOHN OF PATMOS WAS JOHN THE BELOVED DISCIPLE OF JESUS!!!

Quote Another? What next..Quotes from Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses denying that Christ was God??

Abomination to have same sex marriages, AGREED!
to kill and steal other's home and lands...GOODNESS ME, DOES THIS NOT OCCUR IN MUSLIM COUNTRIES WITH MUSLIM AGAINST MUSLIM..OR WHAT WAS SADDAM HUSSEIN DOING IN KUWAIT?

Abomination of manipulating God's words, YOU HAVE JUST QUOTED ONE SUCH AUTHOR, PROFESSOR PERRIN..IT HAPPENS BUT WE DISCOVER THE TRUTH!!

Abomination to have gay priests.IS THERE NO SECRET GAY IMAMS?

If this is what the civilised claimed as civilisation, I am very, very sorry for them. YOUR CIVILISATION IS RULED THROUGH TERROR AND INJUSTICE TO WOMEN AND CHILDREN. YOUR JUSTICE INVOLVES BEHEADING CHILDREN WHO STEAL BREAD, CUTTING OFF LIMBS, HANGING, ETC.

WHATEVER THE FAILING OF THE WESTERN CIVILISED WORLD, YOURS IS TRULY BARBARIC AND BRINGING THIS 6TH CENTURY CRUEL PRACTICE INTO THE 21st CENTURY IS ABHORRENT TO US.
LETS HOPE YOU OR YOUR FAMILY NEVER SUFFER FROM SIN!!

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

20 December 2010 at 14:05  
Anonymous srizals said...

Mr. K said.
"YOUR JUSTICE INVOLVES BEHEADING CHILDREN WHO STEAL BREAD"

This is the.. I've lost count of your wild accusations, oh, well. I know I shouldn't have ask, but, where is the proof?

"IS THERE NO SECRET GAY IMAMS?"
You gotta be kidding me! I know a gay politician, but you really must be specific. Is he an Imam at Sodom and Gommorah or somewhere?

Cutting off limbs, how many? In a millions like your abortions? In the thousands? How many?

Hanging? How in the "tut" did you guys deal with killers in your civilisation? Burnt at the stake?

You treat criminals in luxurious prisons and starving the poor. It's civilised.

You built your civilisation on others' resources through colonisation and plunder, not to mention the opium trade that destroyed China. Civilised.

Baath is no Islamic party. And you've seen that God is not with them. The US was very, very 'friendly' with Iraq you know. Proof.

Mr. K, undoubtedly, not all of the West is bad. The good ones, among the true gentlemen and ladies of the West suffered and disagreed too. So let's cut this childish play and answer my question on 'circumcise'. Is this the intended meaning of the writer(s) of the bible or is it God's inspired? Can we refer to the original bible in the tongue of Jesus? Or do we need to look at Greek or Latin? I know what it meant, I even undergone it. How about Christians that believed in the Old Testament?

20 December 2010 at 14:45  
Anonymous Oswin said...

srizals ... thank you for your concern. We are at this very moment attempting to survive the blizzard(s)... although I begin to weary of appearing in my very own traditional 'Christmas-card' scene ... enough is enough!

How's your Malay weather faring?

20 December 2010 at 14:53  
Blogger KINGOFHIGHCS said...

Srizals Said

"YOUR JUSTICE INVOLVES BEHEADING CHILDREN WHO STEAL BREAD"
'where is the proof?' Look on the internet and you will see these things done under the enforcement of Sharia Law..Correct?

Cutting off limbs, how many? In a millions like your abortions? (Agreed, it is an abomination that Christians abhor but we speak out against it) In the thousands? How many?
But 'Cutting off limbs' Done under the enforcement of Sharia Law..Correct?

You built your civilisation on others' resources through colonisation and plunder, MOHAMMED's CAREER AND A ROLE MODEL THROUGHOUT ISLAMIC HISTORY, OR IS YOUR HISTORY ABOVE EXAMINATION.
HOW CAN EITHER BE CORRECT BUT YOUR PROPHET ABOVE INVESTIGATION AND CONDEMNING.CORRECT?

Baath is no Islamic party. SO ALL THE SOLDIERS INVADING KUWAIT WERE NOT MUSLIMs. CORRECT?

So let's cut this childish play and answer my question on 'circumcise'.'Is this the intended meaning of the writer(s) of the bible or is it God's inspired? '
I HAVE ANSWERED YOU THIS BEFORE..LOOK ABOVE.
Can we refer to the original bible in the tongue of Jesus? KOINE GREEK. ( PISHITTA IS A NESTORIAN FRAUD)'I HAVE ANSWERED YOU THIS BEFORE..LOOK ABOVE.

'How about Christians that believed in the Old Testament?' I GENUINELY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ON EARTH THIS MEANS?????????

So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

20 December 2010 at 15:15  
Anonymous srizals said...

Sadly, you have blown your chance of redemption Mr. K. I have to admit defeat to your style of fighting, in my country, the boys were taught to fight in the way of the empty hands. Your way of the empty head doesn't suit my appetite.

For Oswin, I'll retreat humbly. The weather is quite cold with rain from time to time. But it's good for my mangoes and star fruits. Hope that you'll be happy with your loved ones for your coming holiday and festival. Cheerio.

20 December 2010 at 15:25  

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