Monday, December 06, 2010

Wikileaks and the imperative of secrecy

There has rarely been such a grim-visaged global conflict short of the battlefield that has so polarised world opinion: either Wikileaks is amoral and its founder Julian Assange is a terrorist and traitor worthy of summary execution; or Wikileaks is the incendiary of political corruption and Mr Assange the righteous expositor of hypocrisy.

He is the archetypal freedom-fighter-cum-terrorist, but the world has moved on from the bomb-and-bullet mentality of Mandela, Shamir, Arafat and Adams.

Julian Assange is a cyber terrorist: his objective is the sort of glorious revolution not seen since 1688.

Or he is a freedom fighter of noble and heroic virtue, risking his life to expose the malignancy and corruption in global politics.

David Cameron once said that sunlight is the best disinfectant.

That’s nice.

But a world in which all bacteria are exterminated is not conducive to human existence.

Those who walk in the light are exhorted not to commune with darkness (2Cor6:14). God is light, and in him is no darkness at all (1Jn1:5). Christians are instructed to ‘have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them’ (Eph5:11).

Julian assange sees himself as a reprover. The Greek word used by the Apostle Paul means to convict and rebuke; to expose.

And Mr Assange is certainly doing that, which ought to cohere with David Cameron’s quest for transparency, openness and accountability.

For why should the people not know the murky and muddled realities of UK and US foreign policy?

Why should they be kept in the dark about the systematic deception, corruption and hypocrisy of the politicians and bureaucrats who order our lives?

Is it not good to know that the US thinks David Cameron is ‘lightweight’; that George Osborne is 'inexperienced'; that the UK’s fawning ‘special relationship’ is viewed as paranoia; or that Saudi Arabia wants to bite the head off the Iranian snake?

Not necessarily.

What if David Cameron had shared his private marital concerns with Nick Clegg? Yes, His Grace knows this is not remotely likely, but bear with him on this. What if Mr Cameron had told his trusty deputy that his wife Samantha was ‘lightweight’ in her wifely and motherly capacities?

And to George Osborne he had said that she manifests a degree of paranoia?

And to Vince Cable he had said she was ‘inexperienced’?

What if he had told William Hague that he was thinking of divorcing her, while all the time Samantha Cameron believed that her husband was loyal and devoted?

And then along comes Julian Assange, who shows the whole Cabinet the indisputable evidence that David Cameron believes his wife to be frumpy and paranoid; an indifferent mother who so lacks the necessary experience that he has doubts their marriage can survive.

Mrs Cameron would, quite naturally, feel unloved, unappreciated and betrayed.

Not necessarily because her husband had thought such things, but because he had not discussed them with her.

But how could he?

How many husbands, when their wives ask them how they look in a certain dress, will respond ‘fat’?

Diplomacy, tact, secret thoughts and righteous lies are indispensible to normal human communication. Julian Assange manifests a degree of autism in his.

Openness and transparency are not synonymous with truth and integrity. And the acknowledgment of moral complexity is not the same as compromise, sell-out or surrender. Indeed, the maintenance of a higher truth may occasionally necessitate a ‘lower’ lie. The ‘white lie’ is intrinsic to global diplomacy and the art of politics: if a truth delayed or concealed may mitigate human suffering, then it is made righteous.

But Julian Assange would murder Moses and betray Israel: he would tell Pharaoh that Hebrew women give birth in exactly the same way as Egyptian women (Ex1:19); and he would tell the King of Jericho that Israelite spies are hiding on the roofs of houses (Josh2:4).

The Assange doctrine consists monochromatically, myopically and obsessively of divulgence and disclosure; of revelation and exposure regardless of the consequences for the lives of individuals and the security of nations.

He self-righteously shrouds his crusade in the vocabulary of virtue and goodness. But it is neither virtuous nor good.

For moral righteousness is not about black and white or darkness and light: it is a kaleidoscopic spectrum of all manner of shades and hues.

Wikileaks imperils the liberties of us all: the hitherto democratic and largely unregulated internet is likely now to become increasingly monitored and state controlled; the decision to disseminate a few thousand confidential US files is likely to diminish the billions of files of information to which the world has had unconditional access. France and the US are siding with China on this: the authoritarian oligarchs will become the information élites, and we will have Julian Assange to thank for it all.

Moses lived to free his people from slavery because of the midwives’ lie; the Israelites entered the Promised Land aided by Rahab’s lie. Partnerships and marriages survive as each learns when not to be entirely transparent, open and honest. If we are to avoid a breakdown in global relations and worldwide internet censorship, we must permit diplomats their discretions and poiticians their secrets.

This is manifestly the lesser evil.

59 Comments:

Blogger john in cheshire said...

I'm afraid that I can't agree with you. It is not clear to me why you should concude that what Julian Assange has done is wrong. We pay these people to protect us; and as far as I can see, they fail to do so. But they are good at protecting themselves. So, a little light thrown on their lives is not a bad thing. And what would you suggest that JA should have done, when presented with all this information? He's a conduit not an originator for this information; isn't there just a whiff of shooting the messenger in all the opprobrium directed towards the man?

6 December 2010 at 10:25  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr John in Cheshire,

The decision to publish key security sites for the benefit of Islamist terrorists is the action of a collaborator and an anarchist.

In this instance, the messenger had the option not to deliver the message. He made a moral choice. It is His Grace's opinion that this choice was profoundly wrong: it risks the lives of individuals and imperils national security. You are entitled to disagree. When these sites are bombed, doubtless you will maintain that Mr Assange contributed nothing to the atrocities.

6 December 2010 at 10:35  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Your Grace, it's taken some time to think through the implications of what Julian Assange has done, but what you say is correct. As more information is released it is becoming clearer that Assange is putting lives at risk, although there will be those that debate that point. Putting lives and possibly nations at risk has to be recognised as being wrong. Putting your own life at risk in the process, as he may be doing, is not an excuse for this fundamentally irresponsible behaviour. To illustrate the point, how would Assange deal with discovery of witness protection records? Would he gleefully publish and be dammed? What Assange is doing is much the same thing.

It is also true that the information that Assange puts on the internet is stolen. He is not a reporter of events in the public domain, he is a thief of intellectual property belonging to the United States.

Because Assange acts pro bono at some risk to himself, he has fooled a lot of people into thinking that he is doing good. In reality he seems to be a selfish man who may only act out of self-indulgence.

6 December 2010 at 10:58  
Blogger Gnostic said...

To be honest, Your Grace, so far Mr Assange has delivered little more than what we already knew or suspected. National security aside, stones need lifting to see what slimy horrors lurk beneath them. These are the same slimy horrors that shoved national security into the current political cesspit in which it flounders.

As John said, it's not the messenger we should be attacking, we should be going after the bastard politicians who created the mess.

6 December 2010 at 11:01  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Oh and that SamCam straw man, Your Grace - I believed you to be above such drivel.

6 December 2010 at 11:07  
Blogger gadfly said...

The most important virtue of a Christian, on whom God bestowed the gift of freedom, is to be discerning.

So far, in what concerns the Wikileaks scandal, I have seen discernment on neither side.

Of course, white lies and tactful omissions are acceptable - everybody knows that. That, however, does not mean covering up wrongful acts or conspiracies to commit them, just because the number of accomplices is too large.

Diplomacy without secrecy is obviously impossible, but calling for the assassination of the person who compromised such secrecy is, by far, the greater evil.

6 December 2010 at 11:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Plans for radical control and censoring of the internet to protect the NWO have been afoot for longer than Wikileaks has been in existence. Who knows, perhaps Mr. Assange has just been a patsy. Globalism cannot be allowed to fail. We must never be allowed to learn the truth about the traitors that rule over us, and if we do discover it and protest, it will be no defence in the EU show courts.

6 December 2010 at 11:36  
Anonymous JayBee said...

I don't know if Assange is being manipulated by enemies of the West, or if there is some other dark organised plot underpinning the revelations. My guess is that he is a vandal rather than a terrorist. A hacker and anarchist by instinct, who does it because he can do it and enjoys the notoriety.

Assange has obtained information to which he is not entitled. It has been stolen from others, and he has seen fit to recklessly disclose it regardless of unpredictable consequences. It is very tempting as we rejoice at the discomfiture of our despised political masters to lose sight of this. The unbridled glee of many will evaporate if their own credit ratings, tax affairs and benefit claims are “shouted from the rooftops” or their personal security is compromised.

The Lord hates a man who stirs up dissension amongst brothers (Proverbs 6v19). This precisely what Assange has done, London against Washington, Tehran against Riyadh. Assange is a Cyber-gossip, a chattering idiot who has exposed his own folly and increased international tensions.

6 December 2010 at 12:14  
Anonymous berserker-nkl said...

Assange, I believe loves his fame. Nothing interests him other than publicity. The real question is: Is he an Agent Provacateur?

Is it a devious plot to control the Online World and keep Globalisation going?

If it is so apparently easy for him to get hold of all these so called incriminating files and information what about Russia and China who have superior cyber spying techniques and vastly more money devoted to this end?

What about the English hacker who the Americans are trying to prosecute? If it was so easy for an amateur to infiltrate the Pentagon then again what about the capabilities of vastly more powerful organisations etc ...

You see my drift. Nothing is really secret. But the ones that know the secrets don't let on.

6 December 2010 at 12:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gadfly said

Completely agree with your statement.

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So Says KINGOFHIGHCS

6 December 2010 at 12:26  
Blogger Scary Biscuits said...

I am afraid you have missed the point. The biggest revelation from Wikileaks was not the detail of any particular cable or cables; it is the fact that this much information and more was stored on a single database available to 2.5 million people. It is the revelation that the US post 9/11 had abandoned principles of data protection and security. It had flip-flopped from not sharing any information to sharing it all almost indiscriminently.

Whoever leaked it to Assange shouldn't be arrested but given a medal. He has exposed a critical weakness in America's security. So much information available to so many people was bound to leak sooner or later. US and indeed world citizens are now much safer as a direct result of these leaks.

And, once again, the true motive of the bureaucrats who seek to censor the net, is not to protect worthy secrets but to hide their incompetence, in this case bravely exposed by Assange.

6 December 2010 at 13:38  
OpenID waddell said...

1. David Cameron (and husbands everywhere) should know better than to speak ill of his wife behind her back. It's an inevitable risk that she might find out.

2. What about the commandment not to bear false witness? Shia Islam allows for lies to be told in certain circumstances. Christianity does not.

3. God rescued the Israelites through Moses. He would have found a way if Moses had not been available.

6 December 2010 at 13:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fact: Secrets are hard to keep. Cork out of the bottle. post-it-all 1-to:world. Problem ? Just as much the printed book once was. Main question: what’s next: E-Power to the people. Maybe it is good thing, because together we can control what no government can (ie. the global society we need to survive) Technology is a thread, it always was.. it always was unstoppable, so live with this and let's discuss

6 December 2010 at 14:02  
Blogger Kip Hop... It don't stop said...

One of the most telling lines in your post is that

"Partnerships and marriages survive as each learns when not to be entirely transparent, open and honest."

How sad coming from such an esteemed clergyman as yourself and I feel saddened that me a mere curate is having to remind you of the marriage liturgy of our great Church where we are told that

Marriage is a sign of unity and loyalty which all should uphold and honour.

and where we vow that

all that I am I give to you,
and all that I have I share with you, within the love of God,
Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Now how does that fit with your un-Christian view that marriages are a place where transparency, openness and truth can sometimes be abandoned?

Rev GK Chelashaw

6 December 2010 at 14:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I trust no one. Not Assange, not the US government or any government. It all stinks.

No, you can't let someone like Bradley Manning off the hook and call him a hero. He was a military soldier and was trusted to keep secrets. The fact that he had access to such information is a problem and the fact that he was allowed to carry in recording devices into a secured area is a huge problem. However he is a traitor and now he is being defended by an attorney who does pro bono work for Soros.

Our government knew about these leaks for over five months and yet Holder has done nothing. Why? It shouldn't be too hard to pick up Assange, his lawyer knows where he is and it isn't like he is hiding out in a cave. Yet he remains at large. Why?

The more chaos that is created and the more governments and people are pitted against each other the more justification the government needs to take over the internet. The government must come in and save everyone from this danger, right? This is about power and control. Who will benefit from it? Who are the baddies? Are they altogether or is it separate evil forces using each other?

It all stinks and what I do know is the average Joe will be on the losing end.

6 December 2010 at 14:15  
Anonymous Martin Sewell said...

Mr Assange will never understand that when a mother lovingly reassures her child in the night that all is well,she is not lying.

6 December 2010 at 14:41  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Wot Anonymous sed at 14:15.

Anyone with any sense has known from the outset that the Internet and email could not possibly be secure. For anyone involved in government security to think otherwise would be .... well, you name it.

But they're even more stupid if they don't know how hacked info will be twisted, turned, plagiarised, and de-contextualized to suit the highest bidder.

Oh - and what else is going on while we're being thus distracted...? If it matters any more.

After all, 'National Security' is obsolete if the concept 'National' is invalid, and if no individual anywhere has a right to privacy.

6 December 2010 at 14:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well said indeed Cranmer!

Didn't Jesus tell a small lie to His disciples to protect them when he was intent on heading to Jerusalem? Intent matters, although one has to be uncomfortable with the theological morality of 'lesser evil' as opposed to 'double effect'. Mind you, isn't this a distinction Episcopalians neglect?

Mr. E.Man

6 December 2010 at 15:56  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

I suspect that the enemies who we are supposed to allow our masters to protect us from, already know what these releases tell us. The only people who don't know what is going on are those who are paying these bodies to protect us. I am not content to allow these people to operate in the darkness, and trust that they are serving us well. So, when someone throws some light on what is being done in our name, I applaud them, regardless of what is perceived to be their ultimate purpose.

6 December 2010 at 16:05  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

I suspect that the enemies who we are supposed to allow our masters to protect us from, already know what these releases tell us. The only people who don't know what is going on are those who are paying these bodies to protect us. I am not content to allow these people to operate in the darkness, and trust that they are serving us well. So, when someone throws some light on what is being done in our name, I applaud them, regardless of what is perceived to be their ultimate purpose.

6 December 2010 at 16:06  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Dear Rev GK Chelashaw,

You clearly miss the point.

If, however, you have not, and there is a particular dress which your wife likes to wear but which you honestly think makes her look rather fat and unbecoming, please be open and transparent enough to tell her so. And the next time she spends hours cooking a meal you find disgusting, please tell her so. And the next time she irons a shirt or sews on a button incorrectly, please tell her so.

And by her response, you may just discover His Grace's meaning.

6 December 2010 at 16:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

John, you do not like government operating in the dark? How do you feel about the government shutting down sites like Cranmer and not allowing people to post opinions? Be careful about who or which side you root for. Personally I do not think there are any good guys and certainly not heroes in any of this.

If JA creates chaos due to leaked secrets than our government has a crisis to contain, even if it is fake and manufactured. As Rahm Emmanuel states, "Never let a crisis go to waste." The government now steps in and controls and censors the internet. You do not like the darkness, then I can assure you that you will not like an internet where only government approved, one-sided information will be allowed.

Second thing to consider.
It would be very lovely to have an open, honest, fair world. That will never completely happen. We are all different and see things from different perspectives. Muslims, Jews, Christians for example will view life and death differently. That is where diplomacy comes in. Diplomacy is about lies and toleration. For example, one may loathe another but they will sit at a table, smile sweetly, exchange pleasantries and wish them well, even when they don't mean it. That is diplomacy and that is what is needed to have people work together.

This is exactly why I do not put my faith in people the way humanists do. People are fallible and always will be.

6 December 2010 at 16:38  
Blogger Kip Hop... It don't stop said...

As a matter of fact, I do tell my wife when I'm displeased with her clothing or cooking. Often, this will lead to her getting a bit upset (for a while) but on the whole it usually works for the good (Genesis 50:20) for the next she time she knows what not to wear/cook and now we've got to the stage where I mostly find myself saying "you look splendid darling" and truly meaning it. I think though that to take your suggested advice of sharing the concerns one has about their spouse to another is most unbecoming and even un-Christian. I wonder if you've forgotten that Scriptures compare Christian marriage to the relationship Christ has with the Church. Now, does Christ speak the truth to His beloved Bride even when it hurts - yes - just read Revelation 2-3. In fact wasn't it him who said that if you hold to his teaching, you really are a disciple and that you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. Again I am saddened that me a mere curate is having to remind you His grace of this key basics of the faith.

KC+

6 December 2010 at 17:51  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Dear KC+,

Could you please advise His Grace where he has "suggested advice of sharing the concerns one has about their spouse to another"?

Grateful thanks.

6 December 2010 at 18:10  
Blogger Kip Hop... It don't stop said...

It is implied by your hypothetical illustration citing no less the Hon PM and given more beef by your concluding paragraph that "Partnerships and marriages survive as each learns when not to be entirely transparent, open and honest." Most disappointing your Grace.

KC+

6 December 2010 at 18:18  
Anonymous not a machine said...

The politics aside on this (although I now do think it is political) Diplomats and diplomacy often has necessary but gossip type conversations , in vital communications conversations can often start from one position and arrive at another , coalitions are made by these communiques and help in agreeing positions on countires that are trouble or in distress .
That is what is wrong with these leaks , as it goes beyond the useual good jouralists approach in showing where leaders are not really playing the proper game .It is highlighting important links and now intelligence with things that have had a general approach to some good .
It would have been easier to like wikileaks had it exposed (and not merely lifted diplomatic communiques ) somthing to do with bad governance .I can quite see why the USA is angry as it is there information and not gleaned from wikileaks own journalisitic work , it doesnt really work for them being some sort of neutral avenger either saving the world by disclosure as the effects are so scattergun like and have put well meaning conversations in the same box .

Re the missing comments : I can definietly say they were posted and on the blogg ergo blogger has captured them , it is more than a glitch to remove them without administartor actions . Although quite why your graces would be under some sort of cyber attack is beyond me .

6 December 2010 at 18:26  
Anonymous Judith said...

Perhaps what His Grace is referring to in his marriage analogy is 'tact'?

And 'tact' is what is also often needed when dealing with those we may not like but have to work with.

6 December 2010 at 18:32  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Dear KC+,

Beef?

You appear to have inferred an entire bovine herd from the mere mention of a shank.

To refer to a hypothetical scenario is not necessarily condone. And Miss Judith's point above is precisely what His Grace meant.

If every word must mean to you exactly what it says, your exposition of Scripture must be very interesting.

His Grace thanks you for pointing out that you find him most disappointing, which he regrets. He will enquire of his successor as to whether he ought voluntarily to offer himself for the same rebuke as that endured by the Bishop of Willesden

6 December 2010 at 19:11  
Blogger Jess The Dog said...

Like the Bishop of Southwark, Assange is doing what he does, but in doing so he's destroyed Wikileaks, which was, in general, of public benefit as a way of telling truth over lies when necessary. Now it's another tinfoil hat anti-American conspiracy site, far less interesting than most but with unquestionable authenticity.

The airman who leaked this tranche of information to Wikileaks bears ultimate responsibility and he has acted in bad faith. He can't claim that conscience has driven him to make such wide-ranging disclosures, the majority of which are beyond his ken. This is an act of betrayal and sabotage with no mitigation. And it is a greater tragedy because it undermines those who are prompted by conscience, rather than by mischief, to tell the truth.

6 December 2010 at 19:25  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Perhaps your right , history is full of deals done sweetly smiling under compromise rather than what is right , but some acts are more right than others , or there would be no progress.
Made in his own image ! is perhaps the good we are meant to be , I doubt if you could censure that.

6 December 2010 at 23:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

IMO this chap has all the hallmarks of an MI6 operative. I am not saying he is one, only stating this as an odds on possibility. Disinformation is king especially if it comes from a seemingly reliable anti-establishment source.

I am not saying that the information he has made available is not essentially or wholly accurate. However highly selective information however propagated, especially when it is given such wide coverage by the MSM/BBC should always be treated with as much critical thinking as possible.

This latest so called confrontation between the South-Koreans and the North-Koreans along with their supposed Communist Chinese allies being a current example of the establishment busy at work.

We are officially informed that the Chinese government is somehow allied to the North Koreans, and so a potentially dangerous threat to the interests of The South Koreans and by inference that of the USA and the western world in general.

This nonsense may have held a grain of believable truth back in the 50's, The very partial Communist Chinese involvement in the last Korean War giving this utter lie some degree of credibility. However now days it simply cannot in any way be sustained by our modern day interconnected globalist reality.

IMO, the same powers that effectively control the western world have been controlling the Communist one since communism first claimed its first national victim, namely Russia, later to be known as The USSR. This after all but all of Russia's nationalists had been ruthlessly, hunted down and slaughtered, or simply starved to death in their countless millions. The EXACT same thing happened in China, not so long afterwards. Like it or know it or not, the British Empire have been running the international trading part of the Chinese economy through Hong Kong using such institutions as The HSBC since before, during and after the Chinese revolution. The Hong Kong $ is still issued by The British establishments HSBC to this very day, a situation which is not about to chance.

As we surely know without Hong Kong along with the international, especially US market for the enormously vast amounts of cheep Chinese goods and insurance and financial services to legally and profitably export same, that everyday flow through Hong Kong, the Chinese economy and therefore the Chinese establishment would be terminally bankrupted of foreign exchange.

What is more if the powers that control the US government had any kind of REAL or more accurately genuine military conflict with the Communist Chinese, they could in theory simply confiscate the several tens of trillions of US $'s Communist China has deposited in The Federal Reserve System, and inflict massive trading sanctions and/or punitive import duties.

Put another way The Chinese are as reliant on The US/UK/European Federal Reserve system as we are all reliant on the cheep slave labour so generously indirectly supplied to The System by the Communist Chinese government.

This unfortunately does not mean there will not be a World War originating from the far-east, or anywhere else.

It does however mean that there will not be one unless the covert powers that control both the Chinese and US governments decide to have a reasonably limited, possibly nuclear war, for one very nasty reason or another.

Why would any individual or group of individuals sane or very much otherwise, wish to have any kind of war with there largest trading partner, as well as their most cash rich investor for any reason whatsoever other then to create even more wealth and therefore power for themselves?

7 December 2010 at 00:27  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Anon 00.27 that is worthy of Mr Atlas shrugged .

I take the view that some hold power by all means that is until they fail , useually by running there country into the ground by dire poltics . On the otherhand north korea is thought to have 1 in 10 of its adult male population in prison which is perhaps one way of ensuring you remain in power .

7 December 2010 at 01:28  
Anonymous Atlas Shrugged said...

Anon 00.27 that is worthy of Mr Atlas shrugged .

Well observed.

Atlas unfortunately messed up while posting. I would never go deliberately anonymous on such an important issue.

I would like to take this time to appeal to your common sense.

It is most helpful when considering how things actually work in this world of theirs to regard national politics as just that, almost entirely national.

World sized politics is several times more subversive and almost infinitely more expensive to properly operate. Bribing or threatening countries or indeed whole continents is an expensive business, and takes many decades of years of advanced planning and several hundreds of years of tried and tested experience.

Dominating the ENTIRE world while pretending that you don't even effectively exist, is an expensive operation, not at all designed for the squeamish, or uninitiated.

Where as murdering, intimidating, and generally ripping off your own nations people is a relative walk in the park, for any budding wannabe psychopath.

Ask Mugabe or Castro, if you don't trust me on that one.

Firstly all one needs to do is sell your nations sole to the world establishments central banking system, and you can quite literally get away with murder, national, mass or otherwise. Then hit the likes of the Paris, London or New York casino's with a $2000 whore on your arm, and more Cash stuffed into your bodyguards pockets then most people could ever earn during several lifetimes.

Failing that easily available option, simply enslave your entire people into a more straight forward form of corporatism, namely Marxist Communism and then watch the foreign exchange swiftly start rolling into your own personal swiss bank account. The dubious advantage here is that you likely will become a pin-up boy for virtually every leftist collage boy and girl this side of Moscow, and a rather odd elected Mayor of London may pay you regular boot licking homage.

It ultimately makes little or no difference to the people running the entire show, which side of the Monopoly board the dictator sits, as all of the cash comes from the same place, which is thin air, and eventually ends up back where it came from.

All that matters to the elite is that the murderously evil scum-bag does exactly what the proverbial THEY want him to, usually while voting in the UN or EU, if or when required to do so.

Or maybe I am completely wrong, and the world is not at all like I have described. It is best that you decide yourself, given the evidence you can plainly detect using your own eyes and ears, as you always should have done in the first place.

7 December 2010 at 05:12  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Mr Anonymous @ 007, who are 'the covert powers that control both the Chinese and US governments'?

Perhaps you should tell His Grace and the assembled host of communicants. This disclosure seems to be critically important in establishing the credibility of your argument.

7 December 2010 at 08:15  
Anonymous Open and honest in public said...

Where is the line to be drawn, though? Your analogy with the private affairs of Mr&Mrs PM is spurious, Mr Hilton.

Affairs of state must perforce be conducted openly by democratic societies, must they not? If we are to give a considered mandate to our elected representatives, we must have confidence that they will carry out our wishes without hypocrisy.

This is not the same as keeping unfavourable opinions about our better halves to ourselves. That is called love. Diplomacy is not akin to loving spousal relationships.

7 December 2010 at 09:38  
Blogger D. Singh said...

‘Affairs of state must perforce be conducted openly by democratic societies, must they not?’

Then Operation Mincemeat would have failed.

7 December 2010 at 10:01  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The German Government paid a leaker to supply a DVD listing tax affairs of persons with a Liechtenstein bank account in breach of local law...then sold access to HMRC and other tax authorities.

That same German Government is upset that Wikileaks revealed its Foreign Minister to be vain, incompetent, and obsessive about US nuclear weapons. That this Minister is gay, corrupt, and incompetent was already suspected of Herr Schwesterwelle.

Julian Assange is the Tom Paine for our time. We are seeing The Matrix - Assange is Morpheus looking for Neo and we are clear where Agent Smith is to be found.

As John Naughton writes in The Guardian, our democracies have been hollowed out by marketing deceit, like 1984 we wage perpetual meaningless wars - Blair still holds a record here - and have Huxley's "soma" to lkeep the populace docile.

7 December 2010 at 10:13  
Anonymous Voyager said...

We have experienced the greatest larceny in the history of the planet without any punishment. The political class chatter to each other but lie to their citizens. They treat voters as sheep to be fleeced.

I see in Your Grace's posting a generational gap. You are too bound to the institutions and structures though they are flimsy and discredited. Not a single institution in the UK is credible.

The Ancien Regime is rocking. Already Wikileaks has 500 Mirrors and is getting backing of some very well-heeled backers. The corporate Internet may suffer disastrous consequences if it tries to control the Internet - it was designed to be cellular and morph.

Currently most servers are in the USA and most routing, but that can change as China showed by re-routing for 14 minutes.

If Obamatron tries to interfere he will watch data flows migrate from the US towards other regions and the FBI will rage at losing access to data.

Inside the EU the British Govt pushes hardest to store all Emails, retain phone numbers, intercept mobile phone data - indeed the USA funds GCHQ and Menwith Hill just for this purpose transferring files to Langley, VA.

Watergate was about National Security - it was The Pentagon Papers that started it, yet never do we hear pious journalists condemn The Washington Post and Bernstein and Woodward......

but where today are these scoops ? where is the Sunday Times Insight Team ? Where is the BBC telling us about the Climate Warming Scam, the
Russian agents in Parliament, the hedge fund owners funding Cameron and Clegg; the Morgan Stanley Director funding David Miliband ?

Why do we have a "System Press" like Pravda ? Why do we have a State Broadcasting Corporation funded by taxes ? Why did the Conservatives nationalise the BBC in 1926 ?

Why did noone reveal HBOS had secret loans of £60 billion from the Bank of England or that the Treasury had been hawking it to US hedge funds since March 2008 ? Why did noone reveal how Lloyds repaid the £60 billion the day after the merger without it being ever mentioned in the documentation or the press ?

False Market in shares !

Why don't we hear about the secret backdoor deals the British are concocting with Taliban ? How far the British are using their troops to engage in futile action while negotiations continue with Taliban on a separate British deal to cut and run ?

This should be made known.

I think we have reached a Ship Money Moment and should seriously consider overthrowing a corrupt and incompetent elite. Christopher Lasch wrote a brilliant book - Revolt of The Elites - which describes how we would eventually get here, but this is not a time to slide silently and sullenly into sovietisation to emerge in a Putinesque World as the British have been conditioned to do.

Martin Luther was uncomfortable for Roman Orthodoxy especially as The Peasants Revolt followed and the Thirty Years War....and The Whig Glorious Revolution was simply the moneyed elite fearful of returning their farmlands to the Church of Rome and an Army Commander John Churchill turning over his army to a foreign prince.

It is not unusual for a social elite to invite invasion to protect its status. That is exactly what happened in Czechoslovakia in 1968, Germany in 1953 and Hungary in 1956.

What the Glorious Revolution did was to entrench Parliament as Sovereign but not The People which is why we were betrayed by a self-serving elite selling our birthright to a foreign Republic in the form of the European Union

7 December 2010 at 10:14  
Anonymous Voyager said...

We have experienced the greatest larceny in the history of the planet without any punishment. The political class chatter to each other but lie to their citizens. They treat voters as sheep to be fleeced.

I see in Your Grace's posting a generational gap. You are too bound to the institutions and structures though they are flimsy and discredited. Not a single institution in the UK is credible.

The Ancien Regime is rocking. Already Wikileaks has 500 Mirrors and is getting backing of some very well-heeled backers. The corporate Internet may suffer disastrous consequences if it tries to control the Internet - it was designed to be cellular and morph.

7 December 2010 at 10:15  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Currently most servers are in the USA and most routing, but that can change as China showed by re-routing for 14 minutes.

If Obamatron tries to interfere he will watch data flows migrate from the US towards other regions and the FBI will rage at losing access to data.

Inside the EU the British Govt pushes hardest to store all Emails, retain phone numbers, intercept mobile phone data - indeed the USA funds GCHQ and Menwith Hill just for this purpose transferring files to Langley, VA.

Watergate was about National Security - it was The Pentagon Papers that started it, yet never do we hear pious journalists condemn The Washington Post and Bernstein and Woodward......

but where today are these scoops ? where is the Sunday Times Insight Team ? Where is the BBC telling us about the Climate Warming Scam, the
Russian agents in Parliament, the hedge fund owners funding Cameron and Clegg; the Morgan Stanley Director funding David Miliband ?

Why do we have a "System Press" like Pravda ? Why do we have a State Broadcasting Corporation funded by taxes ? Why did the Conservatives nationalise the BBC in 1926 ?

Why did noone reveal HBOS had secret loans of £60 billion from the Bank of England or that the Treasury had been hawking it to US hedge funds since March 2008 ? Why did noone reveal how Lloyds repaid the £60 billion the day after the merger without it being ever mentioned in the documentation or the press ?

False Market in shares !

Why don't we hear about the secret backdoor deals the British are concocting with Taliban ? How far the British are using their troops to engage in futile action while negotiations continue with Taliban on a separate British deal to cut and run ?

This should be made known.

I think we have reached a Ship Money Moment and should seriously consider overthrowing a corrupt and incompetent elite. Christopher Lasch wrote a brilliant book - Revolt of The Elites - which describes how we would eventually get here, but this is not a time to slide silently and sullenly into sovietisation to emerge in a Putinesque World as the British have been conditioned to do.

Martin Luther was uncomfortable for Roman Orthodoxy especially as The Peasants Revolt followed and the Thirty Years War....and The Whig Glorious Revolution was simply the moneyed elite fearful of returning their farmlands to the Church of Rome and an Army Commander John Churchill turning over his army to a foreign prince.

It is not unusual for a social elite to invite invasion to protect its status. That is exactly what happened in Czechoslovakia in 1968, Germany in 1953 and Hungary in 1956.

What the Glorious Revolution did was to entrench Parliament as Sovereign but not The People which is why we were betrayed by a self-serving elite selling our birthright to a foreign Republic in the form of the European Union

7 December 2010 at 10:15  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

Cranmer said

Openness and transparency are not synonymous with truth and integrity...... The ‘white lie’ is intrinsic to global diplomacy and the art of politics: if a truth delayed or concealed may mitigate human suffering, then it is made righteous.

The problem with the “white” lie is than it can very easily be compounded into a “black” one. Politicians are invariably vain and egotistical and their instinct will always be towards secrecy. Transparency, openness and exposure are prerequisites of a modern democratic society. In the internet age the assumption should always be that you are always speaking on the record and that your remarks will be recorded.

Politics will have to change to reflect this new reality and I for one applaud that fact.


Voyager I have just read your post and it is spot on

7 December 2010 at 10:16  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Politicians are invariably vain and egotistical and their instinct will always be towards secrecy

In 1906 a radical Liberal Government was elected after decades of Conservative rule and Isolationism. It actively sought cooperation with France against Germany from c. 1912.

The talks were so secret that only a small cabal in Cabinet knew of them - Parliament did not, but Lloyd George, Earl Grey and W S Churchill did.

The Liberal Imperialists pledged the British Empire to war with Germany allied to France but NEVER informed Germany or Parliament or Cabinet.

This secret diplomacy destroyed the British Empire. most monarchies in Europe, wiped out the male population of towns with Pals Battalions, brought Communism to Russia, and destroyed Faith in God on a massive scale before ushering in global Depression; and Starvation across Central Europe.

This was Deceit on a massive scale far exceeding Blair and his Dossier....but the Age of Deference meant millions died

7 December 2010 at 11:21  
Anonymous Oswin said...

JayBee @ 12.14:

I agree wholeheartedly with your comments; to which I would add (as suggested by 'berserker-nkl' @ 12.25) that Assange is a self-publicity 'junky' who now appears to have decided to 'martyr himself' to his own cause.

His self-righteous bleatings will now serve to pile-up the faggots around his feet ... the question now being: will the wood prove to be dry, or will it be damp?

7 December 2010 at 11:46  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

Alas, state monitoring and control of the internet is inevitable regardless of Julian Assange. If they don't use this as an excuse it would be something else.

Freedom, it seems, is frowned upon by the Establishment. They single out various groups and causes and seek to control them. Salami tactics.

7 December 2010 at 12:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

the government has been spying on all our emails and electronic communications for years, good for wikileaks that they now get a little taste of how the rest of us should feel about their intrusion into out private conversations.

as for assange himself, if not him then someone else, he's doing the whole world a service by not only as you claim aiding terrorists but in fact showing everyone that its not only the terrorists who are doing evil things, maybe it will open the eyes of the american people themselves and they will dispose through democratic means the worst offenders and by doing that improve the lives of everyone.

as to the current legal difficulties that mr assange find himself in, is there anyone on the planet who seriously believes that this is anything other than a state sponsored reprisal for him daring to make public details of their thoughts and crimes?

7 December 2010 at 15:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I feel like I'm watching a tennis match with my head looking side to side at government/Assange, government/Assange, government/Assange. I don't like either side. I'm angry at the ruling elites in government and business and I'm angry at the disclosure of secrets that have put countries and people at risk.

I don't trust politicians but neither do I trust Julian Assange. He is creepy to me and he goes on about wanting the truth. Yet when he gets the truth he plays the same games that politicans play. He gets corrupted. He becomes the keeper of secrets using them as blackmail, releasing them when it becomes the right opportunity. Choosing who his target will be. I wonder how much info he has on people or corporations who he doesn't want to hurt. Is that info being with held?
We don't know. Only Julian decides what will be released and when. He know controls the so-called truth.

I guess I am someone on the planet who does think his rape charges may have some merit. Julian Assange fits the profile of a rapist. He likes control and power. And he likes to use it to get his way. You also see it in interviews he has done where he tries to control the interviewer. Turning the tables asking her the questions and then he states in a creepy monotone voice that he WILL walk off if the interviewer asks about his charges. He likes to control his situation.

I do not know if he is guilty or not of these rape charges but for his supporters who profess to want to know the truth, shouldn't we allow his potential victims to have their say and their day in court?

7 December 2010 at 16:19  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"he's doing the world a service by not only aiding terrorists"

WTF?

That is definately a service I can do without.

7 December 2010 at 16:23  
Anonymous Tarka the Rotter said...

When Herr Hitler wanted an excuse to invade Poland, he created a situation thus providing the excuse and justification:
"According to the Germans, Polish soldiers attacked and occupied the radio station in Gleiwitz on or about August 31, 1939, and broadcast inflammatory statements summoning the Polish minority in eastern Germany to take up arms against Hitler. This act of "Polish aggression" justified the Nazi invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939.

In fact, the attack was staged by SS troops specifically to provide a pretext for the German invasion. SD chief Reinhard Heydrich had been put in charge of Operation Himmler in which SS troops dressed in Polish uniforms attacked the station and broadcast the aforementioned statements. The bodies of several concentration camp inmates, also wearing Polish uniforms, were left behind to display to foreign correspondents".
Could it be that those who wish to control and monitor the Internet have provided themselves with the perfect excuse? Is Assange a patsy, as someone suggested?

7 December 2010 at 18:42  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Voyager @ 11.23, could not agree more, but sadly Dave has fallen for the same trick.

The governing treaty for Anglo-French defence co-operation has been the Treaty of Dunkirk, negotiated by Duff Cooper in 1948. Quite what the new treaty adds is not really disclosed. One thing is certain, its general thrust is anti-German. Now that democratic Germany is the hegemonial power in Europe, this communicant questions the wisdom of taking sides with Paris against Berlin. Surely the UK would be better served by finding its own peace with the Hegemon rather than through the agency of France.

The blinkered francophiles in the FCO will never see it this way, of course.

7 December 2010 at 19:52  
Anonymous Tony B said...

YG, I assume you have watched the helicopter assault video previously released by wikileaks? Everyone should. Except perhaps children. Vile acts of butchery like this can carry on largely because we are usually kept pretty much in ignorance of them. The greatest threat to the militarisation of the west and the furtherance of warfare is people finding out what is really going on. It's a lesson learned by our forefathers during and after world war one; we've forgotten it.

7 December 2010 at 20:53  
Anonymous Jonathan Stuart_Brown said...

When is Your Grace going to investigate conspiracies hidden in plain sight ?
A plan to expand London in every direction concreting all in its path by smashing the greenbelt barrier around The M25 built to fence London in and protect the South-East beauty and way of life.

http://www.stopprojectpinewood.webeden.co.uk/

and
http://www.stopprojectpinewood.webeden.co.uk/#/why-oppose-it/4529994155

and
http://www.stopprojectpinewood.webeden.co.uk/#/letter-of-support/4536323438

and
http://www.stopprojectpinewood.webeden.co.uk/#/statement-on-refusal/4537224011

and
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/189003/How-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richerHow-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richerHow-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richerHow-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richerHow-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richerHow-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richerHow-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richerHow-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richerHow-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richerHow-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richerHow-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richerHow-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richerHow-BBC-s-move-to-Salford-will-make-tycoon-richer

and


http://www.savethebritishfilmindustry.com/2010/12/why-dr-richard-a-e-north-is-sadly-right-about-the-telegraph-who-just-do-not-know-who-or-what-007-james-bond-is-nor-what-pinewood-shepperton-plc-actually-is-and-why-it-matters-to-the-uk/

and

http://www.savethebritishfilmindustry.com/

7 December 2010 at 21:37  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Jonathan Stuart-Brown,

His Grace is immensely favourable towards the British film industry and will do all he can to assist it. If you have any suggestions, apart from posting graffiti upon His Grace's blog (with links that don't work), he would be delighted to hear about them.

7 December 2010 at 22:14  
Blogger Death Bredon said...

The State has an inalienable, God-given right to lie to its own people, to other states, and to the people of other states. Anyone who publicizes the lies of the State is an anarchist, a terrorist, and and an anti-Christ--even if most intelligent people had already seen through the State's lies.

The State has an inalienable, God-given right to kill, without justification or due process of law, its own people, those of other states ....

8 December 2010 at 03:52  
Anonymous len said...

There seem to be two different aspects of'reality'.One is the Politically Correct one where people and Governments respond to each other in the 'correct ' fashion.
And then there is the 'other' reality where true intentions and feelings are manifested.

Now I am not about to tell my wife she looks fat in a dress as this would be counter productive, but I would perceive this!

But how can we make value judgements on important issues if we do not know both aspects of 'reality?'

8 December 2010 at 08:48  
Anonymous anon anon said...

Why do so many men on here seem to have wives who want to hear lies about their dresses?

I need a man I can trust, who'll let me know when I'm not producing the best appearance I can for us. I can't, however, trust someone who 'tells her what [he thinks] she wants to hear.' That attitude insults my approach to appearance and my intellect, to say nothing of my love.

8 December 2010 at 16:20  
Anonymous Oswin said...

anon anon:

Alas, I always told my wife the truth ... no longer has a wife ... sobs ... :}

8 December 2010 at 18:34  
Blogger Ariadne said...

Voyager @ 11.21

I am sorry that this is not on topic but I am interested in the claim that the decline of the British Empire began in Edwardian times. I wonder if you could suggest a readable source for the history you outline.

Many thanks, and to Your Grace for the forbearance.

8 December 2010 at 21:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We NEED transparency for our global society to survive.
To many crises, our steering mechanism/leadership cannot switch fast enough.
We'd never gone to Iraq if we read the cables first?
How can a few wise leaders understand complex global issues and explain why to ?
China outcompetes us. Small bad countries drain our resourses.
We can redesign our economies and win.
If democracy fails, the only solution is More democracy.
WL to much Change for Obama?
Believe your core values, xx harder for our totalitarian enemies.

People need to be involved/need same info.
It's your Duty to spread your thoughts.
just lazy vote, won't save your world this time.
Tech changes the world and WWW is the biggest change ever.

DAMAGE cyber WW3 result: 500k hurt diplomats worldwide,
final 200 nations restuctured. Left is only 1 global transparent free society survives ..... never thought WW3 as a joke. Yeah all wars are surprises.
The only way is UP.
greets from citzen WL232.
read my book!

12 December 2010 at 07:52  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Hmmmm ...

12 December 2010 at 11:24  

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