Thursday, December 09, 2010

Wikileaks: ‘Green’ Pope co-opted to Global Warming lobby

The Catholic News Service has published details of a Wikileaks cable entitled “‘Green’ pope supports US path forward from Copenhagen.”

His Grace always thought His Holiness preferred purples and crimsons.

But this ‘Green’ Pope has apparently approved a 'Vatican commitment to accord on climate change’.

The cable discloses that the Holy See was ‘committed to getting countries aligned with the Copenhagen Accord on climate change’:
The confidential cable claimed a Vatican official at the Secretariat of State would support U.S. government 'efforts to have countries associate themselves with the Copenhagen Accord by the January 31 deadline' as well as 'encourage other countries discreetly to associate themselves with the Accord as opportunities arise'.
While His Grace agrees with His Holiness that it is incumbent upon us all to be good stewards of creation, it is interesting to hear that Pope Benedict shares with the US ‘the growing concern caused by economic and political resistance to combating the degradation of the environment’.

Economic and political resistance?

To a ‘comprehensive, binding accord on reducing global emissions’?

And for the US and the Vatican there can be no political or moral justification for such resistance?

What about the science, Your Holiness?

It is curious that in 2007 Pope Benedict was challenging the orthodoxy of the political aspects of the global warming movement around the world. He made a plea for the application of the scientific method to challenge the hysteria surrounding the half-baked theories of pseudo-scientists and ignoramuses like Al Gore. His Grace thought we had a pope who was prepared to confront head-on the climate change ‘prophets of doom’ with the warning that any solutions to global warming ‘must be based on firm evidence and not on dubious ideology’.

The Pope unequivocally dismissed talk of man-made emissions melting the ice caps as ‘scare-mongering’. He clearly and forthrightly demanded that assessment ‘be carried out prudently, in dialogue with experts and people of wisdom, uninhibited by ideological pressure to draw hasty conclusions, and above all with the aim of reaching agreement on a model of sustainable development capable of ensuring the well-being of all while respecting environmental balances’.

Yet now we read, according to this Wikileaks cable, that one Msgr. Reinert said: 'the profile of environmental issues in the Vatican is at an all-time high’.

And that the Copenhagen Accord was seen as the solution.

Is this just another case of minor bureaucrats having the temerity to contradict their supreme leader?

Do Vatican officials really have no more respect for Pope Benedict XVI than the FCO had for Gordon Brown?

A final comment by the cable's author said the Vatican's support must be treated discretely ‘because the Vatican is often reluctant to appear to compromise its independence and moral authority by associating itself with particular lobbying efforts.’

And then we get:
‘Even more important than the Vatican's lobbying assistance, however, is the influence the Pope's guidance can have on public opinion in countries with large Catholic majorities and beyond.’

Apparently, sources in Rome have said that Wikileaks is in possession of 850 documents concerning communications between the US State Department and the US Embassy to the Vatican.

And they have chosen to lead with this one?

His Grace looks forward to Wikileaks confirming that the Pope is, in fact, Catholic.


Blogger john in cheshire said...

If the Vatican is also contaminated with the madness, then God help us all.

9 December 2010 at 19:16  
Blogger Dave said...

The Vatican has always been anti-science.
Galileo- imprisoned by the Inquisition for supporting Copernicus'belief that the earth revolved around the sun.
His views were condemned as being "contrary to scripture".
And we all know how that turned out.

I'm a christian and I tend to ignore every Church leader, whether Archbishop or Pope, as they all have their own agenda, the first part being to ensure the survival of the organisation.
Vested interests.

Jesus yes. church no.

9 December 2010 at 20:41  
Anonymous Atlas Shrugged said...

If the Vatican is also contaminated with the madness, then God help us all.

Quite, God help us all please.

Although looking in the mirror is a helpfully good start on the way to salvation.

I have no personal doubt whatsoever that the Vatican has NOT been contaminated with this MADNESS.

Quite the opposite in fact, it is The Vatican that has ultimately contaminated the rest of the world with this particular, as well as most other forms of collective madness over much of the last 2 thousand years.

The evidence for my contention is manifestly compelling, easily available, goes back as far as recorded history itself, and therefore effectively conclusive in nature.

I believe the above not because I want to, not because I am stupid, and certainly not because I believe every thing I read on the internet or anywhere else. I believe it because the available evidence utterly compels me to come to no other conclusion.

This Pope has much in common with many if not all of his predecessors.

In that if this Pope has ever actually read and properly understood his Bible, which I doubt. He is either a dangerous liar, or a equally dangerous fall-guy.

I genuinely do not have more then an educated guess, as to which is closer to the truth.

What I do know is that The Pope does not control the Vatican, and certainly does not control its bank or its bank managers, however someone else certainly does.

As I am sure many of us over the age of 50 know as a truism, MONEY MAKES THE WORLD GO ROUND.

OK, holding massive gold reserves, large sections of various nations and very important City states, while also directly or indirectly owning large slices of most of the worlds multi-national conglomerates does not actually make the world go around.

The available evidence tends to suggest that gravity is mainly if not wholly responsible for the earths apparent disposition to perpetually rotate. However hard cash, as well as the richest of assets going as far back as the Roman Empire and beyond, most surely does make the World go round, metaphorically speaking.

9 December 2010 at 21:03  
Anonymous Linus said...

Dave said: "The Vatican has always been anti-science"

That particular fact must have been witheld from Georges Lemaître, who became a member of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 1936, becoming it's president in 1960. As well as being a Catholic priest he was also the first person to propose what became known as the Big Bang Theory. Quite an achievement for a clergy man of a church which is supposedly "anti-science".

9 December 2010 at 21:33  
Anonymous Atlas Shrugged said...

Dave said...
The Vatican has always been anti-science.

Sorry Dave I know you genuinely believe that statement to be the truth. However it is one of the most profoundly ignorant statements I have ever read.

The Vatican is not anti-science in any way shape or form. What the vatican is, is anti-truth. Or more accurately anti allowing the common people to have any understandable, therefore useful, or freely profitable access to it.

Which is why it is The Vatican, and its church that virtually invented modern as well as medieval science, simply so it could control whatever truth was discovered by it, for the exclusive benefit of The RCC itself.

Galileo of course was a scientist.

He did not get fried because of his scientific discoveries, he got what he got because he did not do what the Vatican told him to do with the information he obtained. Which was to tell them, and no one else.

There is more original science smuggled away within the walls of Vatican City, then ALL of our top universities put together. Which may I add were set up by The RCC over a thousand years ago, as well as being largely controlled by them to this very day.

The ONLY reason why the Vatican wanted to be seen to have banned astrology and astrologists was because the RCC did not want their profane flock (customers) to know the full truth about anything at all if possible.

Which was that large sections of the words and actions of God and his son (or SUN as they prefer to believe ) Jesus Christ, namely the Bible, had been utterly corrupted by Roman, Greek and many other classical as well as almost pre-historic mystical forms of pagan Astro-Theology, by the founders fathers of The RCC.

Get it? Ok never mind.

EXCLUSIVE Information (which can only be obtained by the use, or corruption of science and scientists) is as valuable today as it was back then. The possession of which inevitably leads to vast wealth and also ultimately God like, seemingly magical power over the lives and minds of others.

There was not then, as there is not now, anything more terrestrially and materially powerful then The Roman Catholic Church. As The Pope himself will be only too happy to tell you. The trick is to know when the Pope is telling the truth, AS WELL AS WHEN HE IS MEARLY BEING MORE ECONOMICAL WITH IT.

9 December 2010 at 21:54  
Blogger Preacher said...

It would seem Your Grace that certain religous elements are
content to run with the hare or the hounds.

9 December 2010 at 22:25  
Anonymous not a machine said...

The christian faiths relationship with science has been hot or cold since ww2 and ever more awful forms of destruction have been invented , and perhaps thank god , not really used .
I dont think as a Christian I can be detached from care or stewardship ofthe enviroment as it provides all the basics of what we term as life .
I have had to eat some humble pie as it became clear that the so called science emmanating from the mouths of so called top scientists ,turned out to be all too special relationships working as cogs within a powerful group dtermining the future via a little too much sophistry and disires of wealth and power .
The malthusian aspects of damaging the natural enviroment are important , water and pollution perhaps being the most pressing , but even then we are now at a point where things like fisheries have to be controlled and understood in a more sustaianable way.
If his holiness has bought into CO2 my view is that it misses the point as drinking the waters of the Indus and Yangsei would probebely kill you quicker than this one gases effects . Corrupt/wreckless industrialisation is still the main cause of ecodamage we can really measure and this of course realtes to population .
As we are not in a period of decling world population then some values from the church would be welcome , but it should stay clear of what the markets want , as i doubt they will not see the problem until theres no money in it . They after all have not been exactly blameless in the spin fest as it was new markets and investors to them , rather than some divinination of the truth .
In the end this is both a biological (in the natural ecosystems sense) and a maths question and us having the sense to look after the thing we originate from and live within , which isnt really that far from what the holy see understands .
St Francis would have been encamped outside st peters basillica in peacful protest for many years by now if he were still with us , asking why we are so seperate from gods works

10 December 2010 at 01:02  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

In the past a case could be made for the confidentiality of administration business,but now since those "in power"seek to thwart and abuse every honest request consonant with democracy,that the electorate might make,in our own defence,we must embrace the principle of publish and be dammned,whatever the dammage.

10 December 2010 at 07:25  
Blogger Gnostic said...

So the Vatican has its very own a Monsigneur Humphrey perhaps?

10 December 2010 at 08:14  
Anonymous len said...

Why are the N W O proponents'pushing' the Global Warming Theory?.
And more interestingly why does the Vatican want to be involved?.
Global Warming believers seem to have reverted to something akin to Gaia worship,the 'green religion'.

Al Gore's book "Earth in the Balance" is just one of many books that unabashedly proclaims the deity of Earth and blames the falling away from this Pagan God on the environmentally unfriendly followers of Jesus Christ.

And Gaia worship?
"They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen."(Romans 1:25)

10 December 2010 at 10:20  
Blogger Caedmon's Cat said...

Jump on board the gravy train - there's room for many a more. Archbishop - are you boarding? Patriarch - welcome aboard. Next stop - global poverty and fascism. Toot toot!

10 December 2010 at 10:32  
Anonymous Bede said...

It seems that the Pope is prepared to change his mind on scientific matters when faced with overwhelming scientific evidence.

10 December 2010 at 14:05  
Anonymous Petronius said...

This "Wikileak" does seem rather disconcerting, at face value. While there's nothing wrong with having a practical, common-sense concern for the environment, the Christian Churches have to be careful not to make a pseudo-religion out of it.
However, let us exercise great caution in our reading of this continual (and I might say, quite tiresome) stream of "Wikileaks". I'm not inclined to trust them or take them as necessarily authentic. If the RC Church has something to say on the issue of the environment, then let the Vatican make an official, public statement of where it stands on the issue. I'll be more inclined to accept that, than the unauthenticated tittle-tattle of Mr Assage et al.

11 December 2010 at 03:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So this blog is censored despite professing freedom of speech!

As previously commented, it comes as no surprise the Pope is attempting to influence world affairs on the basis of the Christian message.

What reason is there to apologise to the Queen or Williams? As we all know the Anglican 'community' was established by a 'Monarch' obsessed with producing a male heir, to the extent he refused to comply with legitimate canon law pertaining to annulment.

Thereafter, his murderous lust and obsession led to the execution and divorce of several women and Roman Catholics.

In this he was assisted by a series of church 'leaders'. One being Cranmer who couldn't decide between Lutherism and English Catholism. There was even talk of joining the Greek Orthodox church!

Is it any wonder the Anglican 'community' can't make it's mind up on questions of doctrine, faith and morals today despite claiming it adheres to the first four ecumenical councils?

And of course the Pope would advise against a Muslim Turkey, previously the Ottoman Empire, joining Europe. And why not support Poland in following christian norms about family, divorce, abortion etc?

The mission of christianity is to uphold and promote biblical teaching. The commission was passed to Peter from Christ.

Mr Eman

Ps - I expect this comment will be removed too! In times past I would be executed for treason or heresy, or both!

12 December 2010 at 00:27  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Eman,

His Grace has removed no comments: when he (rarely) does so, Blogger leaves the message 'Removed by the Blog Administrator'.

12 December 2010 at 09:47  
Anonymous len said...

Mr Eman "The mission of christianity is to uphold and promote biblical teaching. The commission was passed to Peter from Christ."(End of quote)

Peter the first Pope?

Near 45 A.D., we find Peter being cast into prison at Jerusalem (Acts 12:3, 4). In 49 A.D., he was still in Jerusalem, this time attending the Jerusalem Council. About 51 A.D., he was in Antioch of Syria where he got into differences with Paul because he wouldn’t sit or eat with Gentiles. Strange that the "Roman bishop" would have nothing to do with Gentiles in 51 A.D.! Later in about 66 A.D., we find him in the city of Babylon among the Jews (I Pet. 5:13). Remember that Peter was the Apostle to the CIRCUMCISED. Why was he in Babylon? Because history shows that there were as many Jews in the Mesopotamian areas in Christ’s time as there were in Palestine.

If Jesus had clearly given Peter supreme authority over all the apostles, then the other apostles would have known it, however, at the "Last Supper" a dispute arose among them as to which of them was considered to be greatest (Luke 22:24). They clearly did not interpret Jesus' words to mean that Peter was the "greatest" among them or else they would not have argued about it. Another good point we find in this passage is Jesus' response. He did not resolve their dispute by reminding them that Peter was the supreme apostle, rather, He encouraged them all to be servants.

12 December 2010 at 10:40  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Ien - "Supreme authority" of Peter? Did I really say that? Don't think so!

Early Christian theology was developed by Bishops at Ecumenical Councils with the Pope presiding. It was clearly understood by the early church fathers there was a head of the church. Therein is the root of the determination of "infallability" - in times of doubt and uncertainty the Holy Spirit will guide the church throught the Pope. Doesn't mean the Pope is correct in all things - just particular doctrinal issues at particular times.

My understanding of Christs' message at the Last Supper was he was telling them not to lord it over one another or anyone else. And as for Peter, as said above, no Pope is quarenteed getting it right on his personal theology as opposed to the church meeting together. In the last analysis, all organisations need leadership and direction - especially the church in a fallen world.

12 December 2010 at 10:54  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

How does one get a picture for ones account on this blog? Can't work it out!

12 December 2010 at 11:00  
Blogger Mr Eman said...


12 December 2010 at 12:15  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Eman,

Are you constipated?

12 December 2010 at 12:17  
Anonymous len said...


"For this is the covenant that I will make with the House of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall not teach everyone his fellow citizen, and everyone his brother, saying, ‘know the Lord,’ for all will know Me, from the least to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more."

( Does this not make the Pope redundant as an 'infallible' interpreter of Gods Word? do we still really need him?)

12 December 2010 at 21:05  
Blogger Gillibrand said...

As Cardinal Secretary of State, Merry de Val told Pope St Pius X, not all of us are infallible. Commitment to global warming must be a private opinion of the Pope- because it is not true.

13 December 2010 at 10:44  

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