Saturday, January 08, 2011

Gabrielle Giffords shot in Arizona - Sarah Palin 'has blood on her hands'

You really have to take 2 and add it to 2 and make 74 to reach the conclusion drawn by some Leftist extremists that Sarah Palin is to blame for the shooting of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords (Arizona). Details are still developing, but it is reported that the Democrat congresswoman was shot at point blank range in the head. The assailant fired some 15 or more shots into the crowd, killing others, and this took place at a political gathering where Gabrielle Giffords was speaking to her constituents.

How precisely is Sarah Palin to blame for this?








It turns out that Gabrielle Giffords was also one of the lawmakers Sarah Palin had 'set her sights on'. The congresswoman and others are targeted with simulated gun sights on a map of the United States.

So, you see, Mrs Palin wanted Mrs Gifford dead.

Literally.

Of course, if these irrational expressions of (hypocritical) leftist hatred and loathing were to result in any attempt on the life of Sarah Palin, their political cause would have been righteous and the Lord's work done.

Only in America.

O, and Pakistan.

UPDATE

Alastair Campbell has not only precipitously declared Representative Giffords dead, but he blames 'the right' for pursuing the 'politics of hate'.

So His Grace apologises: the nutters do not only reside in the US and Pakistan; they functioned in the highest echelons of New Labour.

69 Comments:

Blogger Bred in the bone said...

As I keep saying a good thrashing is long overdue.

armed insurrection must be an inalienable right when faced with treason from within.

Palin is as much a part of the problem though in that the Treason within was a Neo-Con effort as much as a leftist one and many of the powers Obama now abuses were put in place by Bush.

8 January 2011 20:30  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVGaHpFpp5w

Sharron Angle :)

8 January 2011 20:46  
Anonymous JayBee said...

The gunsight poster and political targeting may have nothing whatever to do with this tragedy.
There are several other possibilities. Gabrielle Giffords is Jewish, and pro-choice on abortion for starters. Ironically she supports gun ownership.

8 January 2011 20:59  
Blogger All Seeing Eye said...

JayBee "may have"? Eh? It had absolutely nothing to do with it. Don't be ridiculous.

8 January 2011 21:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is it true that Palin has taken down the map with the crosshairs on it?

Surely not Sarah?

Don't retreat, reload.

8 January 2011 21:13  
Anonymous Ultimo Tiger said...

"armed insurrection must be an inalienable right when faced with treason from within."

A few things in regard to this post:

1-What is the nature of this persons treason? Was the child who was killed a traitor too?

2-I suppose the government has an inalienable right to defend itself too?

A child is dead and yet people are cheering this on. Sums up the modern Human Race really. Knows the price of everything and the value of nothing (including life itself).

8 January 2011 21:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Says a lot when the first thing you can think of is to run to Sarah Palin's defence.

8 January 2011 21:23  
Blogger Owl said...

"Says a lot when the first thing you can think of is to run to Sarah Palin's defence."

How very odd. Sarah Palin hasn't done anything and therefore doesn't need defending.

Are we witnessing propaganda to imbue us with the idea that there is guilt?

This would be nothing new and a sound and often used Fabian approach.

8 January 2011 21:37  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Gabrielle Giffords is Jewish, and pro-choice on abortion for starters. Ironically she supports gun ownership.

A bit of a mixed bag then.

May I suggest the above reasons very likely had nothing to do with it, and that we will most likely never know the essential reason why she was murdered, or who or what was really motivating the assassin.

It has long been possible to mind control most human being to murder another, for no kind of understandable or logical reason.

This usually using more tried and tested methods such as political or religious indoctrination in the past, but now increasingly using differing forms of hypnosis backed up by reasonably new highly psychologically active drugs. Precisely, but not exclusively what establishment bodies such as The Tavistock Institute were set up to perfect.

I strongly suspect this to be the case in this one, although more verifiable information would be most helpful when coming to a firmer conclusion. Which is the sort of information we are unlikely, to say the least, to receive in any kind of hurry, if at all.

His Grace is perfectly correct in what he says, as he almost always is. However he writes much, and says little as per usual, for very understandable reasons.

Premeditated political or otherwise murders, such as assassinations are not normal, in fact they are extremely rare.

In matters very similar to this one the evidence which always points strongly towards a CONSPIRACY being at play, not either lone gunmen, or other isolated nut-jobs, does not arrive until much, much later.

8 January 2011 22:00  
Anonymous Ade said...

If you piss off millions of Voters, a few are going to be really pissed off.

8 January 2011 22:07  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Owl said: "Sarah Palin hasn't done anything and therefore doesn't need defending."
Unless ... she's assumed Guilty until proved Innocent?
We know that's not the letter of US law, which expresses the spirit of the old British law: "Innocent until proved Guilty."

I've met many Americans, however, who don't understand even the letter of the "their" law. Their minds seem stuck in the euro 'box', for some reason....

8 January 2011 22:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you use violent images and have a national presence--whether deserved or not--you must take responsibility for the consequences. If we hold athletes accountable for the poor role models they are as a result of drug abuse, then it seems only fair to hold public, political figures responsible for the death and injury the leave in the wake of their irresponsible behavior.

What, exactly, is the difference between the behaviors of Mrs. Palin and Abu Hamza?

8 January 2011 23:02  
Anonymous not a machine said...

I think Ade perhaps has the nearest American possibility, the gunman is 22yrs old and Ms Gifford may not have been the main target .

None the less guns and 900 channels of /violence/drama and broken homes perhaps is not a good mix , very tragic.

8 January 2011 23:32  
Blogger AntiCitizenOne said...

Catie Parker
He was a poticial radical & met Giffords once before on '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"

Catie Parker
He was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix, The DOors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class

Catie Parker
As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.

8 January 2011 23:43  
Blogger AntiCitizenOne said...

Cranmer will perhaps like that the shooter was an Atheist (as am I).

Obviously this bible clinging rightist terrorist is starting to run away from the left here.

8 January 2011 23:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Jewish Banks such as Rothschild's of London and Goldman Sachs own the Federal Reserve Bank which has created $1.4
trillion in the last 2 years for their friends. Their control over this bank has resulted in 1.4% of the population which is Jewish owning 40% of the wealth of the USA.
Jews in the USA have used up the goodwill of most Yanks.

9 January 2011 00:19  
Blogger English Pensioner said...

Reading US reports of the shooting, there seems no reason to even assume that the Congresswoman was the target. With six dead and 18 injured it may be yet another of these random shootings of which there have been too many in the U.S.

9 January 2011 00:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The DM has Mrs Gifford "fighting for her life" having had surgery. Bad Al is a bit premature with his "murder" comment.

9 January 2011 00:31  
Blogger Owl said...

"What, exactly, is the difference between the behaviors of Mrs. Palin and Abu Hamza?"

What amazing logic!

The answer to your question is, of course, many, many worlds.

Following your argument prior to this, I would have thought that John Wayne would have been more responsible.

I really dispair of leftwing fantasy worlds.

9 January 2011 00:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

cunch of bunts the lot of you right wing ar$eholes

9 January 2011 01:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

By MARTIN GRIFFITH
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Posted: January 8, 2011 | 12:00 a.m.

RENO -- Six girls have been arrested after students were invited on Facebook to take part in "Attack a Teacher Day" at two middle schools.

here is one of the many newspaper links
http://www.lvrj.com/news/six-students-arrested-in-reno-after-attack-a-teacher-day-invites-on-facebook-113127324.html

Interesting quote:
"Even if the six girls meant it as a joke, there's no way to know if the other students who accepted the invitation weren't going to carry out the attacks in some fashion," Rivera said.

So what is the difference between Palin and these 12-13 year old girls? Why were they arrested and Ms Palin was not?

9 January 2011 01:21  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Here we go again,

So now hate is directed at Judaism!!

Whilst I believe abortion is a sin against God and man, so too is murder.

I also believe democracy without a solid Christian foundation is doomed to eventual failure. However, people do have a God given option to exercise free will and to vote for whom they choose.

I also believe my Catholic Faith is that intended by Christ and the Church will be protected until the consumation of time. I do not deprive anyone of their right to choose their own place and means of worship. Again, free will based on, hopefully, an informed conscience.

The exercise of choice, freely undertaken with understanding is one of the underlying process of history. So too is the inevitability of strife and conflict in this world.

Of course, I'd much prefer it if everyone saw the world as I see it! So have many others down through history. Christ's commission to the Apostles is all but completed - the Faith has been spread. Imposition contravens the Will of God.

We're in this together so, at the risk of sounding like an old 'hippie', lets show a little (or even a lot)of LOVE.

For Christians the very essence of God's being.

For supporters of Dawkins, an expression of the 'selfish gene'.

For humanists, mutual regard and care.

For satanists, a heresy!

9 January 2011 01:38  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Having just watched the local (74 years old) head Sheriff hold a press-conference, it would seem that the gunman (there might be more than one) was known to the local authorities as being both a criminal, and having mental-health issues.

The Sherrif himself blamed the rise of ''vitriol and bigotry'' within the United States, and within his own county in particular, as having possibly influenced the perpetrators of the attack.

9 January 2011 01:47  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Damn! 'Sheriff'' not ''sherrif' grrr

9 January 2011 01:59  
Blogger Drummer Man said...

Jus ta let ya no .. changd me prof name and pic ... no Drummer Man ... wanna make more noice!


Yeah, my blood's so mad feels like coagulatin'
I'm sitting here just contemplatin'
I can't twist the truth, it knows no regulation.
When human respect is disintegratin'
This whole crazy world is just too frustratin'

And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don't believe
We're on the eve
of destruction.

The POUNDING OF THE DRUMS the pride and disgrace
You can bury your dead, but don't leave a trace
Hate your next-door neighbor, but don't forget to say grace

And… tell me over and over and over and over again, my friend
You don't believe
We're on the eve
Of destruction
Mm, no no, you don't believe

9 January 2011 02:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Demonic possession:

Symptoms similar to those of mental illnesses such as psychosis, hysteria, mania, Tourette's syndrome, epilepsy, schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder.

Who knows?

9 January 2011 02:24  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Dear Mr Eman

I see that you admit to being a Roman Catholic yet you seem to know absolutely nothing whatsoever about the institution to which you have so clearly nailed the destiny of your immortal soul.

You may believe yourself to be a Christian, perhaps you are. However how certain are you that The RCC is also Christian in anything but name?

For all of the evidence I have seen most strongly suggests that the institution of the RCC is very many incredibly powerful things, however being Christian or indeed having anything whatsoever to do with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, is most surely not one of them. Quite the opposite from what I can tell.

It would seem that what you are a member of is actually a follower of the Anti-Christ, or indeed Satan himself.

I do not wish to offend, however have you actually done any research into the subject of the history both ancient and modern of The RCC, or indeed read your own bible lately, if at all?

It not, then please try my well intentioned advice, do so ASAP. You may have more to lose then you would wish to.

Myself on the other hand, have no faith in anything other then the truth, wherever that may be. I will believe in Christ, when The Word of God actually turns up on his white horse, and not before.

Until that time I just carry on doing good where ever and whenever I can, and keep my fingers crossed that if our saviour turns up he will not be too angry with me.

For it would seem that the way things are going a saviour we are most certainly going to very much need, this especially when so much profoundly blinkered ignorance, very like your own, is so incredibly common to find. Which means it would seem that we are incapable of helping ourselves as a whole.

As a half Anglican half Jew I do not hate anyone especially ordinary people, who are often just sheep like fools badly lead to their premature slaughter. If we are not very careful indeed a slaughter of quite biblical proportions may shortly visit this abode.

You have been warned, yet you seem to mostly be content to ignore the warning. So be it, just don't say you were not warned.

9 January 2011 03:48  
Blogger OldSouth said...

Please, folks. Take a deep breath, and have just a moment's compassion for all those families whose lives have been forever altered by this unconscionable act.

Take a day off from flaming one another, from calling one anther names.

And, please, enough of the anti-Semitic rants. Especially, not today. Please, for decency's sake.

This appears not to be a political act, rather the criminal act of a deranged individual.

Please, take a day off, and by Monday, we'll probably begin to know enough to have a bit of perspective.

Please.

9 January 2011 04:18  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

As for ACO

The man is an utter fool, in the worse possible sense. I have come across self confessed atheists like him before, and am totally confounded by their happy ignorance in genuinely believing that everyone else who is not also an atheist, is somehow ESN or worse.

They do this without bothering to find out anything whatsoever about that which they seek to undermine.

All you get with these types is straw man arguments and pointless insults. It is not the insults that bother me, but the pointlessness of them.

They say that religion is bad, yet do not bother to work out why it has historically been incredibly so. This especially when Christianity itself for example is based on The Word of Jesus Christ, which is, to cut a long story short, simply LOVE, as most normal people would understand the word.

IMO the answer is reasonably simple. It is not religion in itself or the religious themselves that are either ignorant or evil.

What is very possibly the most evil thing ever to have inhabited the entire world is a religion subverted by evil, for evil ends.

For there exists not an 'ism' that was not fathered by The Holy Father, and then nurtured by The Mother Church. Indeed if you think about it, how could extremely nasty things such as international terrorism, Communism, Socialism, Fascism or corporate global capitalism have ever got started never mind flourished, without the power of the RCC well and truly behind them ALL?

9 January 2011 04:27  
Anonymous Dave said...

Left-wing progressive?

Update from MSNBC:

A 22-year-old woman in Arizona, Caitie Parker, claimed on her Twitter feed that she went to high school and college with the gunman, and was in a band with him. She described his politics in the past as “left wing, quite liberal, & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.” She also described him as having a lot of friends “until he got alcohol poisoning in ’06″ and dropped out of school. “Mainly loner very philosophical.”

Parker described the gunman meeting Rep. Gabrielle Giffords previously: “He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in ’07, asked her a question & he told me she was ‘stupid & unintelligent.’”

That MSNBC link has transcripts of his videos, in which he professes having no belief in God, and no trust in God.

9 January 2011 04:52  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Dave said...
Left-wing progressive?

Hm, sounds a bit fishy to me, but then most things do, especially when it comes to politically or religiously motivated assassinations.

Difficult to see how this chap can have no trust in something he did not believe even exists.

However this guy does sound the ideal Manchurian Candidate for a large slice of serious mind control.

Not yourself clearly, as by the sound of it you have already been a victim of such a thing.

Do you have any idea whatsoever what left-wing or progressive actually mean in practice?

No, I knew not.

My advice is to quit the 'isms' and the wings, and start the difficult process of finding important things out, and then thinking for yourself.

9 January 2011 05:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If anything, the guy sounds like the two who shot up Columbine High School several years ago--mentally ill. I doubt politics or religion much enters into it.

9 January 2011 07:04  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree the guy is probably more mentally ill than politically motivated, although the juvenile manner in which His Grace dismisses the concerns of the Left in this matter reflects poorly on him.

9 January 2011 07:48  
Anonymous Ultimo Tiger said...

So it turns out that this nutter was one of these 2012/Alex Jones/NWO conspiracy types as opposed to some hardline Tea Party or Democrat type.

I've been warning people that these "truthers" were potentially very dangerous. Now I've been proven right.

9 January 2011 08:48  
Anonymous Dave said...

Hi Atlas shrugged - Any excuse to avoid the obvious. Ask yourself this, why is the following article pertinent and why should that worry you?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/biology_evolution/article6905259.ece

You wouldn’t know from the celebrations of Charles Darwin’s life this year that the amiable Victorian gent portrayed in those TV drama-docs pottering around the garden of his home in Kent has been fingered as a racist, an apologist for genocide, and the inspiration of a string of psychopathic killers.
[...]
As the attorney for the families of six of the students killed at Columbine, the Denver lawyer Barry Arrington has come across more in a similar vein. “I read through every single page of Eric Harris’s journals; I listened to all of the audio tapes and watched the videotapes… It became evident to me that Harris consciously saw his actions as logically arising from what he had learnt about evolution. Darwinism served as his personal intellectual rationale for what he did. There cannot be the slightest doubt that Harris was a worshipper of Darwin and saw himself as acting on Darwinian principles.”

In 2007, detectives following up a tip-off about a planned school shooting in Pennsylvania discovered that their suspect often logged on to a social networking site called Natural Selection’s Army and a number of related chatrooms that were later tagged by the media as the “cyber school for killers”. These sites were quickly shut down by their service providers, but today “Natural Selection” is the name of a popular computer game in which competing teams attempt to annihilate one another — a sign that Darwin’s term is still associated by many teenagers with sudden and extreme violence.

9 January 2011 09:00  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Ultimo Tiger said...
"armed insurrection must be an inalienable right when faced with treason from within."

A few things in regard to this post:

1-What is the nature of this persons treason? Was the child who was killed a traitor too?

2-I suppose the government has an inalienable right to defend itself too?


Innocent casualties of a War brought about through Vichy Governmnts that do not represent their Nations constitutions or the people, like all the innocent casualties of Bush and Blairs War.

Did Britain support the French resistance, yes it did, only this time there is no liberating army coming, the people is all we have.

Our Governments have already declared war on us, you just have not woken up to that fact yet.

A Man was allowed to walk free by our filthy corrupt judges with blind Blunkett in the home offce after shooting a member of my family dead, with an illegal firearm, so I say yes. The sooner our Judges, Lawyers and Politicians get butchered in the streets the better!

That is what liberating a Country takes.

9 January 2011 09:03  
Anonymous Ultimo Tiger said...

You know, trying to excuse murder on that basis really isn't going to cut it.

People like you say "butcher the politicians" but it doesn't stop their does it? Then it'll be "butcher the people who voted for that man", then "butcher the people who worship that religion" and then finally "butcher anyone who doesn't agree with me".

The "liberators" have a bad habit of becoming the tyrants.

Actually, I think you might just be a gimmick poster who says these things but wouldn't do it.

9 January 2011 09:09  
Anonymous Garry said...

This is completely shocking!My heart goes out to the victims and their families. This is a terrible story whether there is a political cause to this or just a man gone wild!!

9 January 2011 09:09  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Am I missing something, do we not have IRA Terrorists who murdered children sitting in Parlaiment?

Innocent commuters being shot dead on trains?

Bystanders being beaten to death by truncheons in the street?

What part of that exactly does anyone here support?


I know where what I propose ends up, with tanks on the streets and troops killing civilians like any other despotic state on the Earth.

Or in a Nuremburg style trial, but don't expect the bent buggers in power to bring themselves to trial.

9 January 2011 09:32  
Anonymous Ultimo Tiger said...

You think it's ok a nine year old is dead because the person who did it tried to kill a politician in the process.

I suppose if Blair was at a school and someone blew it up just to get him that would be ok in your eyes too. After all, those dead children would just be "innocent casualties" in your so called "war".

Like most eccentrics on the internet, you probably don't mean much of what you say though.

9 January 2011 09:45  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Attempted murder is simply that. Trying to imply Palin contracted the killer is libel even in the US.

Newspapers should be very careful not to try set up Sarah Palin for lunatics with guns. They have a terrible track record.

If a Muslim blows up a building it is deemed a "crime" not a "Muslim thing" but now we have a shooting described as a "Republican thing".

Pathetic juvenile journalism

9 January 2011 09:56  
Blogger Gnostic said...

According to Giffords' father, who was asked if his daughter had any enemies, he reckoned on the entire Tea Party movement.

Nothing like spreading the blame before gathering in any facts. Getting political mileage out of this tragedy is disgusting.

At least they got the bastard responsible. If there's any justice he'll be put down because there's no excuse for what he did.

9 January 2011 10:04  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

9 January 2011 10:51  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Mr Eman said...
Atlas shrugged said...
Dear Mr Eman

Finally you reveal yourSELF.

Sir, I will not respond in detail to your misguided attack on the Church of Christ.

Who the HELL are you to judge the UNIVERSAL CHURCH? So you have set yourself in the of place of GOD and think you can judge others?

JUDGE NOT lest ye be JUDGED.

I direct this not at you but the poison spewing from your mouth AND ITS SOURCE.


"PAX"

CRUX SACRA SIT MIHI LUX.

NON DRACO SIT MIHI DUX.

CRUX SANCTI PATRIS BENEDICTI.

VADE RETRO SATANA; NUNQUAM SUADE MIHI VANA.

SUNT MALA QUAE LIBAS.

IPSE VENENA BIBAS!

I will pray for you and for all those infected with the VIRUS you have contracted. You missed the vaccine but there is a cure.

Deus Caritas Est.
Dominus vobiscum

Mystery Man

This is my LAST POST as MR.EMAN.

9 January 2011 10:54  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Ultimo Tiger said...
You think it's ok a nine year old is dead because the person who did it tried to kill a politician in the process.

I suppose if Blair was at a school and someone blew it up just to get him that would be ok in your eyes too. After all, those dead children would just be "innocent casualties" in your so called "war".

Like most eccentrics on the internet, you probably don't mean much of what you say though.

All innocent casualties are tragedies, why single out this one?

When did wanting justice become an eccentricity?

9 January 2011 10:55  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tDLXVNr3rc

Child casualties we conveniently forget about!

9 January 2011 11:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
9 January 2011 02:24


"Demonic possession:

Symptoms similar to those of mental illnesses such as psychosis, hysteria, mania, Tourette's syndrome, epilepsy, schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder."

Worth repeating.

9 January 2011 02:24

9 January 2011 11:10  
Anonymous len said...

God says in the last days He will pour out His Holy Spirit on all flesh.(Joel 2:28-32 NKJV) "
.......
There seems to be a similar outpouring of a satanic spirit,evidenced in the rising popularity of the Occult in the Media.
Satanic spirits(demons) are constantly looking for openings into our World and we (some) ((unwittingly or not) are giving them access.
The doorways that give access to these evil spirits are firstly direct rebellion against God, then secondly heavy metal music, drugs, alcohol(to excess)and immorality.(Not necessarily in that order)
By rejecting or opposing God we unleash a veritable pandora`s box of evil.

9 January 2011 11:26  
Anonymous The Quiet American said...

The shooter seems to be a devotee of the writings of the notorious crank Lyndon LaRouche, someone whose politics defy easy categorization -- though "demented" will do nicely in a pinch.

LaRouche is neither right nor left but a bizarre concatenation of both, with various weird obsessions that fit with the shooter's internet postings -- mind-control, currency, grammar, Plato's Meno, etc.

9 January 2011 13:33  
Blogger David Skelton said...

I agree with you on this. It takes a bizarre causal link to blame political rhetoric for this horrible tragedy. I have blogged about this over at Platform 10 here:

http://www.platform10.org/2011/01/hip-hop-marilyn-manson-blame-earlier-tragedies-offensive-link-political-rhetoric-shooting-arizona/

9 January 2011 15:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

len said...

"God says in the last days He will pour out His Holy Spirit on all flesh.(Joel 2:28-32 NKJV)"

Agreed, apart from music. Discernment is needed here. The Devil doesn't have all the tunes - yet.

We are also warned to be careful; evil spirits disquise themselves.

"Be as WISE as serpents and as PURE as doves"

9 January 2011 17:27  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Mr.Eman @ 10:54

''This is my LAST POST as MR.EMAN''

Well, it's your funeral. Are you heading off into the sunset then? Or do you intend to re-assemble for church-call, under an assumed name? (see Bugle-calls for key)

I don't always agree with the entire length and breadth of what 'Atlas shrugged' has to say, but his 'scatter-gun' approach seems to 'nail the target' nevertheless. His post of 03.48 appears as no exception to his usual rule.

9 January 2011 17:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get the obvious stuff out of the way first.
Of course this an absolute shocking tragedy.
And we should wait and see what the killers motives were before drawing conclusions.
And the only person who is most responsible for this tragedy is the killer.
And that they should be punished by the law in the harshest way possible.

And now to the point, coming from someone on the right of politics, will the UK right leaning blogosphere shut the ---- up in defending the US right's use of inflammatory rhetoric which may well turn out to have played a part in motivating this guy? People in public positions do bear a responsibility for what they say, a moral one if not always a legal one. Right commentators in the US who do know better are playing their part in stoking people's fears for the future of their country. They're deliberately scaring people, who when with access to firearms become much more dangerous than what they are told to be afraid of.

And if it does turn out that someone like Beck or Palin motivated this guy then shame on them too, nothing more. I'm not a liberal fascist for saying this, I'm not advocating any kind of punishment for them. But shame on them.

Let's hope that something can come out of this terrible tragedy, like a move to more mature, responsible politics in the US. The immediate response of people such as Cranmer (who in the past I have enjoyed) and Delingpole (whose Coward books I am a fan of) makes me wonder.

9 January 2011 18:34  
Anonymous Pot meet Kettle said...

Those who castigate and blame 'the Right' (rep: Sarah Palin)for its use of target imagery inflaming tensions might do well to follow the link:

http://www.verumserum.com/?p=13647

9 January 2011 18:39  
Blogger Owl said...

Have just listened to the news this evening. The trial by insinuation has been carried over to Europe.
That a mentally challenged NuLab politician can spout rubbish at the drop of a hat is expected. We are now seeing the media bias in all it's glory. What happened to journalism and journalists. Are they all brainwashed or under threat?
I don't think they are going to get away with this one.

The most sickening part is that leftwing agitators are accusing the rightwing of stirring up hatred, political or otherwise.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense is perfectly aware that the opposite is true.

I think Obama and his marxist/socialist crew must be very frightened of Sarah Palin to sink to this level.

9 January 2011 18:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
9 January 2011 18:34

Well said, sir or madam.

9 January 2011 20:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Angry rhetoric is a symptom of an abusive government and administration which has trampled upon the rights of its citizens and shoved bills, bailouts and stimulus bills down the throats of its citizenry. The problem is an abusive government, not angry rhetotic. The angry rhetoric will stop when the abuse stops. Politicans should be calling for the abuse to stop and calling for our politicans to represent the will of its contituents in Washington instead of their own interests, they should be calling on politicans to stop bankrupting our country and forcing bills down the throats of the people. If they clean up Washington, they will find the symptom of angry rhetoric disappear. Instead they will play politics with this tragedy and use it to try to silence the will of the people and to stop them from attending town hall meetings, rallies etc to voice their oppostion to the progressive left agenda.

hg

9 January 2011 20:45  
Anonymous Jack said...

All this blaming of political styles and manners of expression seem rather strange, almost a form of opportunism.The shooter made several Youtube video's (which you can find and watch with a little searching)and it is abundantly clear that he was mentally ill, deluded, grandiose.....mad as a sack of cats to put it simply.(He does mention being the "master of all religions") And thats it really, paranoid schizophrenic gets gun and shoots people. Horribly, horribly tragic for the victims and their families. But nothing to do with Palin, politics or anything else really: just like that taxi driver that shot complete strangers in Cumbria a short while ago. A nutcase, with a gun.

9 January 2011 22:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
9 January 2011 20:45

Angry rhetoric Sir, (I assume you are male from your testosterone tone), is not a symptom of what you claim.

Rather, it is a symptom of a deep and longstanding disrespect in your nation for those charged with running your countries. Decent, hard working people for the most part, dedicated to service of 'citizens'. And also of the deep rooted divisions still in your land.

I much prefer the term people - not quite as suggestive of the French Republic. 'Citizen' implies a one way street - all taking and on giving; 'consumers' of services; demanders of 'standards' etc. etc.

In those great words:

"Do not ask what your country can do for you, rather ask what you can do for your country."

For a start why not contribute constructively instead of hurling abuse?

Do not allow the corrupt few amongst your representatives to corrupt your respect for the institutions of your democracy.

9 January 2011 22:13  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Anonymous has posted so much on this thread one wonders if Anonymous is suffering from multiple personalities which is perfectly feasible for one who professes no personality as such

9 January 2011 22:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sarah Palin may not be directly to responsible - but - she did NOT help!
For an aspiring leader she has a lot to learn.

10 January 2011 00:31  
Blogger joe six-pack said...

Is it strange that you tend to blame the other side? Democrats are blaming Republicans. Republicans are saying the guy was a 'left wingnut'.

What is important is the impact of the response. I doubt that it will allow us additional access to our representatives. We are already in trouble with communication with our leadership in this country. The forcing of the health care law through the system when the US public was saying "NO!" was a very negative predecessor.

10 January 2011 01:12  
Blogger Chancellor More said...

Chancellor More said...
Chancellor More said...

Well friends, although not all of you have been kind to me :o(, it's time I bid you a fond farewell.

Take care all of you and do try to lighten up ;o). Live's good and God wants us to enjoy ourselves. Kick the old enemy out with joy - not so much seriousness. Laughter and happiness is something he hates.

God loves us all, warts and all, and He wants us to love each other - Jew, Muslim, Catholic, Anglican, Protestant, man, woman, black, white, whatever label we attach to each other.

We're all brothers and sisters in Christ. Laugh, enjoy, LOVE, be happy. Worship Him, thank Him and Love each other; that's what He wants.

Apologies if I've offended anyone. Some of you have been pretty nasty to me and Mr.Eman. We're sensitive souls. Sometimes I get hacked off. You know what people can be like! No harm meant. Let's kiss and make-up.

Love you all - including 'Atlas shrug', 'KINGOFHIGHCR' and 'len', oh, not forgetting 'Preacher' and 'Oswin'. Don't be sooo nasty.

Special wishes to srizals (hope I spelt it right).

Behave all of you.

God Bless.

You never know we might just meet again. Fingers crossed, as they say.

Yours, Mr.Eman et al.

"The King's servant but God's first"

XXX

10 January 2011 02:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

@anon 22:13

Well, you know what they say when you assume. Your comment is laughable. The people charged with running our country are sadly not doing it anymore for public service. The majority are doing it for power, control, and for their own self-interests lining their own pockets, receiving all kinds of perks and favorable business dealings. Most come into "service" perhaps as a regular person and leave as multi millionaires with a lifetime of bennies and great healthcare (they exempted themselves of course from having to participate in Obamacare). No it isn't about service anymore, it is about power and wealth at the expense of our country. We the people have a responsibility to hold our elected officials accountable and to speak up when they are abusing their power. Americans are doing their duty by speaking up. If some think of that as angry rhetoric that should be stopped then they need to re-evaluate what is causing all the anger.

We need honest politicans who go to Washington to represent the interests of their constituents and not themselves. We need politicans who want to see our country succeed and not bankrupt it leaving all the debt to our children and grandchildren. Please spare me your drivel and Kennedy quotes.

hg

10 January 2011 02:35  
Blogger Jess The Dog said...

Speech is certainly free, but not free from responsibility. Sarah Palin is unwise to mix pro-gun policies and a populist message with this sort of rhetoric and imagery. The US of A has its share of tinfoil hat loonies who seek to bear arms at the slightest provocation and there are enough dead presidents and others to provide evidence for this. And speaking of tinfoil hat loonies, no surprise Mr Campbell has spouted forth about The Right....the same Right he lied the UK into war on behalf of....

10 January 2011 20:08  
Anonymous Dave said...

You've got to watch out for those hateful people of the right. We peaceful and civilized progressives are in extreme (yes, I said extreme) danger!

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

10 January 2011 20:17  
Anonymous Dave said...

Perhaps, It didn't have anything to do with politics at all...

From The Sunday Times November 8, 2009

Charles Darwin and the children of the evolution

The naturalist outraged the church, prompting a bitter debate that still sets creationists against evolutionists. Now a sinister link has emerged between his work and the recent spate of high-school killings by crazed, nihilistic teenagers

Dennis Sewell

[...]

As the attorney for the families of six of the students killed at Columbine, the Denver lawyer Barry Arrington has come across more in a similar vein. “I read through every single page of Eric Harris’s journals; I listened to all of the audio tapes and watched the videotapes… It became evident to me that Harris consciously saw his actions as logically arising from what he had learnt about evolution. Darwinism served as his personal intellectual rationale for what he did. There cannot be the slightest doubt that Harris was a worshipper of Darwin and saw himself as acting on Darwinian principles.”

10 January 2011 21:41  
Anonymous len said...

Mid-1800, the false scientific justification to deny God as Creator started with a man named Charles Darwin. Darwin’s theory of evolution divided humans into superior and inferior status.
Where has this lead us?,

Hitler`s aim was to preserve the 'pure Aryan ' race and to remove the 'inferior' races. This lead to the death camps.


Marx was an admirer of Hitler and described Marxism and Socialism as interchangeable.The upper echelons of the Marxist/Socialist' elites 'control the inferior masses.

The Godless E U will(is) being run by a small 'elite' who will decide what you think, what your morals are,and what you can say.
In a Godless World who decides what is right and what is wrong?
Without God`s Law there are no absolutes and anything can become permissible if enough people agree to it!.

11 January 2011 19:03  
Anonymous velville in icy Atlanta said...

I blame it on my late brother's boss, Jimmy Carter, and his successors who demanded that the fool farms be emptied into the streets. And I blame it on the phases of the moon, longitude and latitude, and fast food.

No, I blame it on the shooter who knew, like most shooters, that if they act preposterously enough, that folks will blame everyone but them.

It is too convenient for pols and professors and other whining nits to pretend that they are societal philosophers who place the blame without placing the responsibilities.

A pox on them all.

11 January 2011 22:54  

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