Wednesday, January 12, 2011

When will we end the curse of state multiculturalism?

Politicians who once espoused this once-immutable orthodoxy now deride it as ‘a wrong-headed doctrine that has had disastrous results’; Church of England bishops blame it for failing the very immigrants it was supposed to assist; the Chairman of the Equality and Human Rights Commission has said it is causing us to ‘sleepwalk towards segregation; and even senior employees of the BBC declare that it is responsible for causing the indigenous white population to feel ‘alienated, threatened and voiceless’.

Multiculturalism has spawned more Socialist twaddle, lefty hogwash and politically-correct claptrap than any other single policy of the past 40 years. You may be Asian, African or Afro-Caribbean: Turkish Cypriot, Congolese, Kurd, Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Somali or Chinese. There’s a place for you in the UK, and you’re more than welcome.

And you can guarantee that Labour created some quango or founded some commission to look after your interests.

But God forbid that you might be white, Christian and British.

And the moment you say this, you’re a breath away from being racist and a closet member of the BNP.

His Grace was emailed a link yesterday by a politician, who has asked His Grace to comment.

His Grace responded that it would be difficult to respond with the usual baying hordes crying ‘bigot’, ‘racist’, etc., etc.

Well, what the hell.

The link he was sent was to an anonymous article in Standpoint magazine, entitled ‘A Stranger in My Own Land’.

Read it, and you may appreciate why it was written anonymously, though the author is content to disclose that she is a vicar's wife.

She tells of the overt racism to which she and her ‘husband-priest’ were subjected as they lived in inner-city Birmingham: ‘the daubing of "Dirty white dogs" in red paint on the church door, the barrage of stones thrown at him by children shouting "Satan". He was called a "f***ing white bastard" more than once, though, notably, never when in a cassock.’

They endured this for four years, in a part of the city which had ‘been a police no-go area for 20 years’. And even in this short period of time, they witnessed considerable change: ‘When we arrived, the population was predominantly Pakistani. Now Somalis are there in equal number. Most of the run-down Irish pubs were turned into mosques during our time.’

She tells of Muslim men who address her ‘as if inconsequential’, which rather accords with the sentiments expressed by Jack Straw just a few days ago: some Asian men do indeed view white women as trash, such that raping one is no greater crime than kicking the cat.

The writer’s husband asked one Muslim why he had come to Birmingham, and the response is revealing:
He was surprised at the question: "Everybody know. Birmingham — best place in Europe to be pure Muslim." Well, there must be many places in Europe where Muslims are entirely free to practise their faith, but I suspect there are few places in which they can have so little contact with the civic and legal structure of a Western state if they choose. It seems to be particularly easy to "disappear" if that is their intention. A parishioner once described a lorry pulling up outside his house, the side opening to reveal stacked mattresses full of sleepy, and presumably illegal, immigrants, who staggered out into broad Brummie daylight. We heard tales of how houses are exchanged for cash payments in our area.
She refers to a sense of ‘separation from the Western world’, not only from its culture and traditions, but also from reason: the mindset is one of conspiracy. She tells us that the entire Muslim community there believes ‘the 9/11 planes were organised by Jews’. And that ‘the Mumbai terrorists had been kidnapped and brainwashed by Indian people’:
The tendency towards denial is strong. When my husband mentioned the "dirty white dogs" graffiti to a local Muslim, the response was, "One of your people did it." I have to say that the police's response was no better when the local Methodists complained about the same thing. They chose not to believe it had happened, since we had removed all sign of it with the buckets of anti-graffiti chemicals we had stocked since we arrived. They asked, somewhat pathetically: "Are you sure it was racist?"
Such is the myopia of the police.

But the ‘sense of denial’ is pervades Parliament and politics as well.

This woman describes herself as being ‘born and bred with multiculturalism’, and is aware that her experiences ‘may come across as outlandish and exaggerated’, such that she ‘must surely be a BNP voter’.

The problem is that the greater the delay in addressing what every reasonable person now acknowledges to be a fundamental problem, the greater the likelihood of BNP gains in these areas.

They are, however loathsome you may find them, the only party which is seen to be doing anything about a manifestly untenable situation.

While the indigenous are ethnically cleansed, out go the ‘key-workers’; nurses, teachers, dentists, police, fire-fighters, ambulance crew, social workers, probation service staff, community support officers, local authority health officers…

It is not long before the entire social structure necessary for civilisation has abandoned an area to anarchy.

Along with those unable to move out – ‘the elderly, the infirm, the illiterate, the chronically poor’ – ‘only the priest remains, if you can get one — the thriving but clerically-vacant church down the road has had no applicant in two years’.

One has to thank God that there are men a women with a sense of vocation to minister in these crime-ridden ghettos, for that is what they are: that is what the eminent Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali termed them, and that is what no-one in government dare acknowledge.

In Germany, it appears, the issues are at least being discussed and debated:
…the whole country is debating Thilo Sarrazin's controversial book Deutschland schafft sich ab ("Germany abolishes itself"), in which the author — a former member of the board of the Bundesbank and the German Social Democrats — examines research about immigrant communities and then makes specific recommendations about the integration of the Muslim community. I have only seen scant reference to this in the British press, which usually dismisses it, wrongly and lazily in my view, as good old German racism. This has nothing whatsoever to do with race. The Muslim community in Birmingham, for instance, is made up of people from many continents and races, including Afghans, Yemenis, Pakistanis, Indians and Somalis.
And here we get to the nexus of the issue: to discuss ‘the Muslim community’ is not racism, for, like Christianity, this religion transcends ethnicity. And yet to talk of ‘the Muslim community’ is at once to stereotype, for there is no such homogenous or cohesive entity any more than there is a ‘Christian community’ in the UK.

Until the narrative of ‘racism’ changes, there can be no addressing
what is happening to many cities in Britain. We know, and the author reiterates: ‘If current demographic trends continue over the next few decades, the West Midlands, as well as other parts of the country, will become a predominantly Muslim area.’

Well, the demographic trends are going to continue.

And so the focus has to be on integration and assimilation.

And this is not concerned with crass notions of uniformity in a monochromatic community: any thriving culture can contain only one, dominant culture, yet it can have a variety of sub-cultures. But the dominance must must include respect for British values, in particular of liberty, democracy and the rule of law.

And these must be inculcated from the earliest years, which is why His Grace disagrees so profoundly with those who seek to eradicate the ‘broadly Christian’ ethos of Religious Education and school assemblies within state education. 'Broadly Christian' is not to confess that 'Jesus is Lord': it is to love your neighbour. To object to what is ‘broadly Christian’ is to oppose those values, rights and liberties which people of all faiths and none believe to be foundational to Western civilisation.

When he was Leader of the Opposition, the Prime Minister said: ‘The big challenge facing the country is how we end state multiculturalism.’

Indeed it is. And the surest way is to repeal New Labour’s acts of bland uniformity and reinvigorate genuine diversity – not to perpetuate multiculturalism but an infinite variety within a single culture. The United Kingdom has a long and successful history of achieving this, and one must begin with the language. What unites the Anglosphere must be the fundamental building block of Mr Cameron’s vision, so let us cease translating every government document into Panjabi, Arabic, Turkish, Polish, Romanian and the rest, for this truly weakens the British collective identity ‘to the point of encouraging separate lives’.

If multiculturalism has had ‘disastrous results’ and ‘fostered difference between communities’ it is important for Parliament to be united in addressing the issues. The ‘broad church’ metaphor may be somewhat cliché, but it is nonetheless wholly applicable. Parliament could learn much from the via media of the Church of England, which, for all its faults, remains at the spiritual heart of the nation, virtually alone in ministering both to the criminals and the victims in these challenging areas.

There is no point bleating that multiculturalism is bad if no solution is expounded. The root of all these problems has been (and remains) mass immigration. The more of any outside group there are here, the more they will go their own way, and the more the floodwaters rise.

Mass immigration has not ‘enriched us’, as we are constantly told: it has been disastrous. Certainly, a nation may benefit from immigration. But not when it amounts to a city the size of Peterborough coming to live here every year.

And so the Government has a dilemma: such is the extent of Muslim colonisation in the UK that the democratic system we have can no longer ignore the 'ethnic vote' and must be careful not to offend it. Mr Cameron is to be applauded for starting from where we are, rather than where race-obsessives would like us to be, and for attempting to lead the nation back to cultural and societal unity.

But when will he begin?

The present consensus, left, right and centre, is that multiculturalism has damaged community cohesion. They are fully aware of the religio-political strategy of marking out territory and then proclaiming that it belongs to the Dar al-Islam, and that ‘people of a different race or faith face physical attack if they live or work in communities dominated by a strict Muslim ideology’.

With that realisation, into the vacuum we must inject our cultural values before Britain is abolished. Lord Tebbit is right that ‘we must find common ground with British Muslims who stand up to fanatics’.

Some of these Muslims are more British than the British. It is a theme His Grace has taken up on more than one occasion.

But this is not for some future government to sort out.

If we do not act, and act now, we will bequeath to our children the strife of apartheid and sectarianism, and to our grandchildren the curse of civil war.


Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

I read this last week too, as it was on Anglican Mainstream. But I posted the link on my Twitter and Facebook accounts...and got not the slightest response from anyone whatsoever. It's as if people just do not care, have the attitude of 'out of sight and out of mind', and I find that attitude just as bad as anything else.

12 January 2011 at 09:41  
Blogger Willie said...

It is just too difficult to address. The future will be one of violence therefore.
The problem is simple. There are now too many people living in the UK who have no wish to be assimilated. As they live in separate areas from the indigenous by choice, the problem grows as it is out of sight.
Your Grace is doing a great service by focusing on this matter but I fear nothing will happen.

12 January 2011 at 10:02  
Anonymous Charles Atkinson said...

I was born and bred in Birmingham and have lived here for over decades.

I have seen its decay.

I am preparing, mentally and practically for civil war. Thousands of Brummies are doing the same.

I appreciate what Your Grace is saying about assimilation, but under the present PM I just don't believe that he has the "cojones" to confront the issue.

In my book that's an abandonment of leadership.

12 January 2011 at 10:37  
Blogger The Heresiarch said...

An important and troubling article; thank you for drawing attention to it. But I share the pessimism of the first commenter.

I think I'm right in saying, that every country in which Muslims have settled in large numbers eventually became Muslim, with the exception of Spain, which fought back. That took centuries, and these days the Reconquista is generally dismissed as a Christian war-crime. Islamists are obsessed with the loss of Andalusia to this day.

12 January 2011 at 10:56  
Blogger oldmaid said...


I am pleased you did respond to this politicians request.

All of this needs to be said, out in the open and often.

However, I doubt Cameron & Co will do much about it except make disingenous PC soundbites whilst he hand-wrings.

I wonder if he does not realise that with his inaction, the freedom and lives of his own grandchildren is at stake as well...

12 January 2011 at 11:07  
Blogger Caedmon's Cat said...

My dear Cranmer -

Is the penny now starting to drop? The state of affairs we are in with this so-called 'multiculturalism' has been slowly and insidiously dripped into the nation by the ruling elite in a bid to change the entire cultural and political landscape. Without doubt it has been designed to erode national and cultural identity - and to prepare the way for a homogenised de-democratised Europe and America. It has been manipulated into place - 'precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little, there a little' - by Fabian Marxist disciples of Gramsci and Foucault who work within all of the state parties. As Lenin said, the best way to control the opposition is to organise it.

I heartily recommend Dr. Sean Gabb's work 'Cultural Revolution, Culture War: How The Conservatives Lost England, and How to Get It Back', which can be downloaded free from his website. It should be widely read by those who want to know what is happening and why.

This is why I set no store by any of the established parliamentary political parties; they are part of the problem and not the solution, since they have been dominated by Fabian Gramscians who faithfully carry out the agendas set for them - irrespective of the opinions of the grass roots electorate.

We need to keep our eyes open, watch and pray - and make sure that as many people know about it as possible.

12 January 2011 at 11:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Q: When will we end the curse of state multiculturalism?

A: Vote for the British National Party.

Labour tried to jail Mr. Griffin for raising the issue of Moslem paedophile gangs several years ago. How many hundreds of young girls have suffered in the years since?

12 January 2011 at 11:29  
Anonymous Matthew Dear said...

I think it's high-time we realised that there is no such thing as a parametrically identified "community". There are individual men and women, and there are families.

I think it's all to do with LANGUAGE. The religion people espouse, the food they eat, the festivals they celebrate are not irrelevant - they are actually enriching. But ONLY if everyone can speak the lingua franca and thereby discuss and understand what is going on, and each other.

Being part-French, I'm inclined to borrow upon one of their ideas and espouse "anglophonie". In practice, anyone can apply to live here, provided they speak GOOD (and I mean GOOD) Standard English.

12 January 2011 at 12:24  
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12 January 2011 at 13:08  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

There are 2 groups who have been espousing these truths for a long time ... The BNP & the EDL.

However, just like the pharisees of old, the chattering classes (including the established church) have simply shunned them as social lepers & sinners with whom we should not associate.

We should not be afraid to declare truths that will see you labelled "a friend of sinners".

12 January 2011 at 13:24  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Rebel Saint,

Truth without love is brutal. Love without truth is whoredom.

12 January 2011 at 13:30  
Anonymous Gordo said...

Britain tried multiculturalism for many years and it did not work, France tried integration and it did not work either. So logically Britain will now try integration and France multiculturalism, and they will not work. Then, at some stage, the war will start. That will work one way or the other. Let's hope we're not outnumbered by then.

12 January 2011 at 13:39  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Mr Matthew Dear wrote:
'I think it's high-time we realised that there is no such thing as a parametrically identified "community". There are individual men and women, and there are families.'

Nicely put, Mr Dear. It reminds me of something. I wonder what?

12 January 2011 at 14:19  
Blogger Liseaux said...

Matthew Dear - your comments are just of a variety to completely strip this blog post of any credibility.

"anyone can apply to live here, provided they speak GOOD (and I mean GOOD) Standard English"

A Zimbabwean friend of mine struggles ceaselessly to grasp our language but is as assimilated as it is possible to be, despite this. You just can't measure it that way.

12 January 2011 at 14:48  
Anonymous Hereward said...


It's not so much outnumbered as outgunned that we should be worrying about. Since the end of National Service, how many ordinary Brits have even basic military training? The days of being able to win a second Agincourt are long gone, I fear.

12 January 2011 at 15:06  
Anonymous Broadwood said...

The elephant in the room isn't 'multiculturalism' as such - over centuries, Britain has successfully become home to members of endless nationalities and cultures, from the Windrush people, the Chinese escaping Maoism in the sixties and seventies, Sikhs and Hindus from the empire; who can forget the Ghurkas? Jews and Hughenots fleeing persecution in Europe, and the many people from all over the Commonwealth who fought alongside us in the last war, even the Italian POW's who stayed and made a life here. We can and should be endlessly proud of these individuals, their contributions to our national life, and our own capacity to get along with them. That has only been possible to the degree to which they could accept our values and way of life as good.

No, the elephant's name is Islam, and more to the the point, the Qu'ran - when it describes unbelievers as 'apes and pigs', or 'the worst beasts' can you wonder at the attitudes adherence to it creates?

Muslims themselves are as much a victim of all that derives from that as we are, as their alliegence is is not normally chosen but assumed from birth, and apostasy is a capital crime. A theo-political system, rather than a faith or culture per se, it is unlike any other cultural influence we face, and doctrinally it regards assimilation with or subsidiarity to any other system as treason.

We have got into this mess by assuming that any and all belief systems are as good as each other, and that there is nothing special about our own culture and history, and especially, by the materialist assumption that all ideas of God are merely primitive superstition which can and will be superceded by the advance of science and thus can safely be ignored. The core idea of multiculturalism is that there must exist a 'neutral public space' free of the 'values' or 'truths' of any one system, and such cultural relativism inevitably leads to the failure to be able to identify anything as objectively 'good'.

Looks like that pretty, empty-headed idea is holed below the waterline at last by the torpedo which is Islam.

Halleluiah!! Time for some common sense, and some uncommon faith.

12 January 2011 at 15:09  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

The fact that it has taken ten years from when the BNP first highlighted the rapes of white girls by Muslim gangs, for the MSM to start to address it, doesn't exactly fill me with optimism for the future. Immigration and the EU are fast destroying what little cohesion we have left and I don't see an organisation with the strength to do anything about it. We British are no good at revolution,in fact it seems we are a cowed people resigned to our fate and it fills me with sadness and anger that our identity is doomed.

12 January 2011 at 15:13  
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12 January 2011 at 15:40  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

That sort of goading language is quite unnecessary: it is neither reasoned nor reasonable.

12 January 2011 at 16:02  
Anonymous Rintojen Suurennusleikkaus said...

Wewill probably never end that curse.. unfortunately..

12 January 2011 at 16:36  
Anonymous John Thomas said...

There's one name I can't seem to find in Cranmer's (excellent)article, or in the Comments; a former MP of (among other places) the area where I now live. For decades, leaders or would-be leaders of all parts of the Establishment (particularly, perhaps of the C of E) were desperate to prove their membership of all that was "Liberal", of the Moral High Ground, and their superiority to ordinary "racist" plebs; and they did it by the most effective method available, namely, publicly decrying a certain J. Enoch Powell, who, of course, had predicted much of our current malaise, and where it is leading and, sadly, will lead. Even now I detect (in, say, public denunciations of the BNP by "liberal" bishops) a distant echo of the excoriation of Powell, by top people, who fawned and grovelled for approval from the right-thinkers; and still do.

12 January 2011 at 16:42  
Blogger Conwy8 said...

You have basically said it all and in a clear and precise manner that highlights the very serious predicament this country is in. But it makes me angry that you have left it so late in the day to speak out. It is no use complaining now that warnings are falling upon deaf ears, because too much water has flown under the proverbial bridge and people are feeling exasperated and without hope.

Tomorrow, this will just be another forgotten blog post consigned to the archives of blogspot dot com. And the bloodshed will come.

Very depressing, very depressing indeed.

12 January 2011 at 17:13  
Blogger Owl said...

An excellent article YG. A pity that cast-iron Dave will completely ignore the problem again.
Mind you, the fact that many people are beginning to see and understand the problem is a positive step in the right direction. Allow immigration by all means, but only to those who wish to intergrate into our culture.
I wonder when Dave will see and understand obvious problems?
But maybe he does, but it's not on the agenda to actually do anything about them.

12 January 2011 at 17:44  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

A most revealing post Your Grace; thank you for airing what is becoming a major problem.

In my lifetime I have witnessed whole 'white' areas become Asian Muslim with special 'untouchable' parking privileges. In one case someone who complained had the police knocking on his door accusing him of racism towards a Pakistani woman. Fortunately he had taken a photo of the parked car obstructing the highway so the husband dropped the charge. I could go on!

It is easy to be naive if you do not come across these problems. The British people generally do not understand the Islamic aim of us all being under Sharia law.
Here is a useful introduction

For a wider understanding of the problem and the dangers we face, this video is much longer but should be watched by all who want to retain their British heritage

12 January 2011 at 17:52  
Blogger oldmaid said...

Browsing around I found this article on the pravda site.

If accurate, it would appear islam is now starting to 'try out its wings' in Germany and may also be the reason why Merkel made the statement that Multiculturalism has 'utterly failed'.

Sad and dangerous part is, that our politicians do a 'gollum'.

This is going on all around the World, as well as on their own doorstep and they act as though they are totally blind and deaf to it all!

One wonders what it will take for them to realise the damage they are doing - a demand for wives of politicians to walk behind, or a call for them to not dress as whores (I am not suggesting they do)

12 January 2011 at 18:13  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Thanks to Your Grace for broaching this subject. One of your solutions—an infinite variety within a single culture—sounds a little like multiculturalism repackaged but I dare say it could be made to work provided that one of the varieties is overwhelmingly the majority, and the others are represented by small numbers and offer no threat to the majority.

Your Grace will see where I am going with this: Islam. Neither multiculturalism nor infinite variety can absorb a religion which abhors our way of life and which, by its growth in numbers and concomitant self-confidence, poses one of the greatest ever threats to this land and its faith.

The cold fact is that a British Pakistani birth rate of 4·7 will eventually produce a Muslim majority in Britain even if Muslim immigration were banned from tomorrow. Christian Britain will be no more unless we rid ourselves of Islam, by ridding ourselves of Muslims. That may sound harsh but the alternative is to allow the triumph of a religion that a farsighted British politician once described as ‘wicked, vicious’.

12 January 2011 at 18:19  
Anonymous Oswin said...

It's a comin', and we ALL of us know it!

I recently spoke to an elderly resident of Coventry, he remarked that Hitler had 'Coventrated' seventy years too soon ...and he meant it!

Prior to 9/11 I had a conversation with a man of West Indian origin, who lived in Birmingham. He claimed that the 'blacks' were attempting to get out of Birmingham, or atleast move to safer areas, as the place was being taken-over by both muslims and Somalis. He said that the muslims were 'organising' and that we 'whities' couldn't see what was happening under their noses!

Now, when a West Indian tells me stuff like that, it's way past listening to the crap spouted by a few white-liberals!

12 January 2011 at 18:27  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Integration and Assimilation is Marxist speak for we must all become a mixed race melting pot.

Its all the fault of the vicars wife then for marrying a white Man, she is a race obssesive.

Stop obbsesing with race, represent the English or cry to foreigners for votes.

Just don't expect the Nation to join you on the fence.

12 January 2011 at 18:38  
Anonymous Byrnsweord said...

Your Grace, while you are right to raise these issues, and to analyse what was a fantastically brave and insightful piece of writing, you must remember that the 'abolition of Britain' (as Peter Hitchens rightly termed it) has been the intended aim of the Left for in excess of 60 years. State multiculturalism is merely a single aspect of the apparatus of this assault, and thus, to properly address this matter, it is our duty to expose the fallacies and frailties of Leftist idiocy in its many manifestations.

I am grateful to you as always for your willingness to address these fundamentally important issues.

12 January 2011 at 18:40  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A strong British identity that stands up for British values and officially represents Christianity as the state religion would be an ideal starting point. Multiculturalism and multi-faith are admirable tenets of a democratic state but the erosion of Britain's standing by local and central Governments as a Christian country has allowed the ugly face of Islam to act as an attacking dog. There's no one to speak for Christians but there are plenty who will defend Islam in this country. Race and religion have
become entwined in the explosive argument on race thus making the problem harder to solve. There are Asian people living in the UK who aren't Muslims who are happy to respect Christianity but even their views are swamped by the Muslim brigade. Islam doesn't seem to have a central body or leader to act as a font or moderator the way we have the the Archbishop or the Pope. The example of Islam practice is set by mad mullahs like the Ayatollahs and the effigy burning brigade in Pakistan. Even the Pakistani government, whom the West supports, doesn't speak out against the attrocities there committed against Christians. Who are our friends? Who will speak for us?
Posted by an Asian Christian woman living in the UK.

12 January 2011 at 19:15  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Anonymous Asian Christian lady above - well said! I'm sure the majority of Hindus agree with you too!

12 January 2011 at 19:39  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

For any still to be convinced dhimwits

12 January 2011 at 19:45  
Blogger Chief of men said...

civil war good show family business (old noll you know)what time and where do I stand.Ah "the lord of hosts" like old times.

12 January 2011 at 19:57  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

This is a very good post, Your Grace, about a very difficult subject. May you blog evermore about the similar things! I fear our nation is doomed. Largely, because we have turned our backs upon the Lord Almighty and His word. We have lost His protection and His blessing because of this. The Church no longer preaches the Word, but a semblance of it without the power. While the Church used to be salt and light, it is now a mere shadow. Worthless and for throwing out. We the people will suffer. The true Church, made up of true believers who understand the times, has now gone underground. The only hope I feel is that the Lord Jesus Christ is coming soon. Albeit in judgement.

12 January 2011 at 20:13  
Anonymous Katharine Birbalsingh said...

Your Grace
While I agree with much of what you have said, I believe multiculturalism to be a good thing, even when we 'immigrants' are large in numbers.

It is our (everyone) refusal to address issues and to speak the truth that has turned something good into something that presents its challenges. The situation is similar with state education: state education is not bad per se, but it is being mishandled and ruined as a result.

12 January 2011 at 20:30  
Anonymous Jonathan Stuart-Brown said...

The BNP leadership are evil for four reasons :rabid anti semitism; hatred of non-white people; occult pagan beliefs while hiding behind a Christian veneer; and poisoning the pitch for any right of centre Judeo-Christian party believing in strong punishment for crime, love of nation/family/flag/community/freedom/free speech, discipline in schools, love of traditional values, love of the English language, love of The Bible, low taxes, housing for all, excellent health service, taking care of people in these islands before attempting to solve the much bigger world problems.
They trade on the courage, history, patriotism of much more moral people in our great judeo-Christian history.

12 January 2011 at 21:00  
Anonymous Sam Vega said...

Within the Further Education sector of state education, the one thing that all staff must adhere to (on pain of disciplinary action and dismissal) is "Eeyandee": E&D, or Equality and Diversity. It is enshrined in "mission statements", usually in terms of "College X is passionate about Equality and Diversity". Failing to include statements about it result in Ofsted destroying reputations and therefore the careers of senior managers. Many colleges insist on lecturers including Eeyandee in every single lesson plan; there is a special box on the prescribed form where the lecturer has to say how the content of the lesson or lecture (everything from Maths to accountancy to brickwork) has special application to a range of other, non-British cultures. All are equal, and all (the "diversity" bit) are to be encouraged and celebrated.

Teaching staff avoid it when they can, but the vast majority of young people who have been through the tertiary system in our country have had considerable exposure to this.

12 January 2011 at 21:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace,

I fear your train of thought has arrived a few years too late.

We are running out of time it seems:

12 January 2011 at 21:09  
Anonymous 150 Wat Tyler said...

'This woman describes herself as being ‘born and bred with multiculturalism’, and is aware that her experiences ‘may come across as outlandish and exaggerated’, such that she ‘must surely be a BNP voter’.

'The problem is that the greater the delay in addressing what every reasonable person now acknowledges to be a fundamental problem, the greater the likelihood of BNP gains in these areas.'

Therein lies your esteemed correspondent's problem:


Not to worry.

That she always resolutely and steadfastly continued not to vote 'odiously' will no doubt provide her with ample compensation when the stones of her vicarage start whizzing past her ears.

She could always invest in a 'Hope not Hate' hard hat, I guess.

12 January 2011 at 21:13  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Your Grace.
An excellent report about a situation that has been ignored or swept under the carpet for too long.

I must admit that the general air of dismay & pessimism displayed by many contributors shows an alarming lack of faith.
We must remember our history.

Did Drake & Hawkins surrender to the mighty Armada?- No & it was wrecked by a series of storms.

The BEF were rescued from Dunkirk by a 'navy' of ordinary sailors with the hearts of Lions.

When Rome seemed set to enslave all of Europe & many a true Christian (including a Dr Cranmer)
were burned at the stake for the true faith, a new dawn emerged for protestantism under good Queen Bess.

When England stood seemingly doomed & alone, a handful of young men saved us in the Battle of Britain.

I could speak of Napoleon or the defence of the protestant faith by Cromwell, or William of Orange. But I hope I have made my point.
As Paul says, Our war is not in the flesh, but in the Heavenlies, we struggle not against flesh & blood, but against spiritual principalities & powers in high places. As long as we as a nation stand for the true gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ & preach openly the Cross & the cleansing Blood of Him who loves us & died to deliver us from judgement, Our God Will fight for us.

To all those who doubt, I would suggest reading Psalm 2 with your usual nightcap when you turn in.
Sweet Dreams.

12 January 2011 at 21:27  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many Muslims celebrated last week's murder of Salman Taseer, the governor of Punjab, and marched in support of Mumtaz Qadri, the police officer who fired a volley of bullets into his back. However, Shehrbano Taseer, 21, has taken up her father's cause and spoken out against misuse of the country's blasphemy laws to target minorities.

Shadab Qadri, head of the Islamic political party in Pakistan, said that she should stop criticising the killer's actions.

"We read the statement of the slain governor's daughter in a newspaper. She should refrain from issuing such statements and must remember her father's fate," he said.

12 January 2011 at 21:53  
Anonymous 150 Wat Tyler said...

When will the good Archbishop and his acolytes finally wake up and smell the curry, I wonder?

None of the 'respectables' plan on doing anything whatsoever - ever.

It wouldn't be respectable!


Incidentally, who was that politician who once encouraged us to 'go back to our constituencies and prepare for civil war'?

I forget.

Jeremy Thorpe, maybe?

I guess it'd be too much to expect Nick Clegg to show that sort of fighting spirit.

Or would it?

12 January 2011 at 22:05  
Anonymous len said...

Amen to that Mr Preacher.(21:27)

12 January 2011 at 22:06  
Anonymous 150 Wat Tyler said...

I've just looked his family up at a genealogy website for clues.

It appears that he's distantly related to a women's fragrance that did affright the air at Agincourt.

I wouldn't underestimate Nick Clegg (or his twin sister).

12 January 2011 at 22:19  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Preacher (21:27)—In the episodes from history you mention, the English and then the British were at war with enemy countries and were led by monarchs and politicians who loved this land. With Islam, we face both a hostile religion that is living and growing in our midst and a hostile ruling class that has no interest in defending our culture and religion.

12 January 2011 at 22:51  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Preacher @ 21.27 said, 'Did Drake & Hawkins surrender to the mighty Armada?'.

No, and there's the rub.

The great explosion of Iberian energy that transformed the West and lead to settlement of the New World came after the Reconquista. For years it has been fashionable to decry the Spanish Inquisition as brutal, which it was, and to mock it too, per Monty Python. So why were the Iberians suddenly extraordinarily brutal? Was it some over-compensation for their 700 years of dhimmitude?

There is a paradoxical lesson that liberal, Christian, societies repeatedly learn, as was discovered by the wartime generation. To defeat fascism, it was necessary to adopt temporarily the methods of fascism and to make total war. No pre-war Briton could have conceived of Dresden. But it happened.

By the same token, this communicant suspects that to defeat Islam internally it will be necessary to adopt many of the methods of Islam. In a sense this is what the Reconquista and the Inquisition were all about, the use of Islamic brutalty to defeat Islam in Portugal and Spain.

Communicants could do worse than to transport themselves to the mindset of the Reconquistadors so that London remains 'Madrid'.

The alternative is Istanbul, and not Constantinople.

Just a thought.

12 January 2011 at 23:17  
Blogger Manfarang said...

The part of the UK which has been most afflicted by violence has few Muslims and isn't particularly multicultural.If fact Old Rivers of Blood himself came to represent South Down.The look on his face the day he lost isn't something to be forgotten.

13 January 2011 at 02:11  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Truth without love is brutal. Love without truth is whoredom.

Quite so

And what a great and mysterious Babylonian whore she undoubtedly is.

A whore that has now consumed every other religion from sun worship to Islam, and back again.

A whore bedecked with gold, precious stones, and pearls with whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Now, I wonder what the Bible revelation 17, could possibly be talking about?

Bluedog you speak with words of the great whore herself, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Dresden was the centre of The protestant faith of Europe, and once contained its greatest churches. That is before the British establishment, acting on orders from somewhere above, decided to bomb the whole area flat, for absolutely no kind of strategic or military reason.

Fascism was not defeated, fascism was more powerful by 1945 then it was at anytime before. It is more powerful today then it was in 1945.

Fascism is corporatism, not goose-stepping Germans and Italians in smart uniforms.

However, you don't trust me on this one, trust the man who gave The Vatican its sovereign status inside his own country.

The choice is not between Istanbul or Constantinople.

Your choice is between freedom under the word of God, or slavery under the mother of harlots, and abominations of the earth.

As it long since has been.

13 January 2011 at 04:57  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Bluedog - well said. And I strongly refute the notion that you sound like old bat Babylon!

Atlas: So what about Dresden? All that fuss shows is that the Germans can't take their own medicine: they've been whining about Dresden ever since we stopped them from further flattening Coventry, London, Sheffield, Leeds, Birmingham, Manchester, and every other British city. And those of us who walked past the ruins, every day of our young lives, know that they did do that.

The point of Dresden was that we had to stop them. And we did.

It's just a pity that we stopped defending ourselves, bought into commie/mozzie propaganda, and decided we have nothing left that's worth preserving.

Oh and I don't know why you think Italian uniforms are smart, Atlas. I think they're poncy and all scrambled egg. Horrible.

And as for Istanbul and Constantinople ... I don't know how you can fail to recognize the invasion by the mozzie horde. Maybe you've managed to find yourself a nice isolated spot, and they've never stopped you from going into your own cities; or harassed you when you were minding your own business at a check-out counter; or thrown your friend into one of our own rivers - while the mozzie strides masterfully over the bridge, all flowing in golden silken robes that insult even our landscape. To say nothing of the way their vile mosks pollute the landscape - and the air.

Commiedom took over education, government, corporates, churches, and banks. Commidom and mozzies are allies. That's what we're dealing with.

13 January 2011 at 05:27  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Atlas shrugged @ 0437, with respect you have completely missed my point. I agree that the ideal is freedom under the word of God. Our Christian idea of freedom, in the current millenium at least but not always so, includes the Hellenic ideal of the competition of ideas. In this the superior idea wins. Where Islam is involved, there is no competition but extinction. Once the Islamic population is the majority you either submit to Islam in dhimmitude or you can be killed. 'The swords of the warriors of Islam shall be washed in the blood of the infidel', said Tamurlane. They believe it still. How do we lead Christian lives if we are dead? Let's leave it to St Thomas Aquinas;

First, war must occur for a good and just purpose rather than for self-gain or as an exercise of power.
Second, just war must be waged by a properly instituted authority such as the state.
Third, peace must be a central motive even in the midst of violence.

His authority is good enough for me, but possibly not you.

I can see the West risking a doctrinal split such as that which exists in Israel. There the reformed and secular jews send their sons and daughters into the IDF to fight their nation's many enemies. The orthodox jews adopt a holier than thou approach such as yours, preferring not to fight for freedom but enjoying the sacrifice of those that do. Who is the Whore?

13 January 2011 at 05:37  
Anonymous JayBee said...

Bluedog has a point but......

It takes just government to pursue a just war.
Not a government that just slumbers pretending that there just isn't an enemy.
If we just sit around long enough there will just be a caliphate.
Will there be a just uprising just in time to prevent it?

13 January 2011 at 08:03  
Blogger oldmaid said...

non mouse @05:27

You say "Commidom and mozzies are allies. That's what we're dealing with.

This is true, but with a caveat.

At present, both are using the principle of 'my enemys enemy is my friend and both are deceiving each other to achieve their own goals of ultimate power and control totalitarianism.

When the ‘commidon’ has achieved the ultimate goal it seeks using cultural genocide, the ‘mozzies’ will also to be very close to their ultimate goal too. And the fundamental question is what then?

Do you really believe they could co-exist peacefully?

As pointed out by bluedog @ 5:37, the 'commidom' will be considered expendable.

It is also worth noting, the 'commidon' through their own usual myopically blinkered lack of joined up thinking and treachery if they have not already made themselves the minority, will have no support from those they sought to ethnically cleanse...

13 January 2011 at 09:23  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

Perhaps we might invite a reasoned response to His Grace's post from our regular communicant Srizzells, who is, I believe, one of the Muslim brotherhood? (Many pardons if incorrect, of course)

It's always fascinating to hear from Srizzells, and I look forward to his postings with interest, even if they do occasionally feel like you're looking at the wrong end of a telescope.

13 January 2011 at 16:13  
Anonymous len said...

If you wanted to Create a 'United States of Europe' you would have to deal with the national identities of the separate Nations.These would have to be 'broken down'in order for them to be re-assembled.
And what better way than the tool of multiculturalism?.

13 January 2011 at 18:38  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Yea to non mouse and oldmaid's subsequent ammendment, and that of Bluedog too!

There is great turmoil ahead and it can no longer be stopped; it is inevitable.

13 January 2011 at 19:01  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Old Grumpy @ 16.13, replying to a post on Islamophobia, Srizals commented as follows:

My God, you still have grudges about Byzantium? Snap out of it, look at it today. They're still there, in different faith of course. Besides, it’s their fault of attacking and threatening the Arabs first, for being overly confident as a World Super Power against mere nomad Bedouins. The Persians too. The Arabs didn’t bully them like nowadays World Super Powers you know. They were more powerful than the Muslims then, as now. But truth is a decisive element in a man’s determination. Liars would hesitate.

You have forgotten Sabra and Shatilla, The 7 days war, bla-bla-bla, all Israel wars (supported by British and the US), and the bloody problem of Palestine caused by British meddling and the lies to the Arab through Lawrence of Arabia. Oh, my, don't let me get all the skeletons out from the closet now. And yet, the slow reacting terrorists decided to terrorise Britain since the day it obeyed its master (former colony) in invading Iraq and Afghanistan. Unless you can give me a date of terror activity before the destructions of Iraq and Afghanistan, you would have proof your theory of Muslims and Islam!

For the hundredth of time, Gnostic, Muslims, most, didn’t consider all White Christians as blood thristy lunatics as Blair and Bush! So grow up! The dozens terrorists that have copied their tormentors ways are not all 1.5 billion Muslims you know. If not, you won’t be getting to even fear the Muslims in this blog. It would be your worst nightmare coming true. Let’s pray that wisdom still prevails in the West. If not, we can’t escape from repeating history now, won’t we? The British and the West had terrorised and destroyed my country for ages. And the British in Malaysia aren’t “specially treated” like would be criminals you know. More are coming as English teachers, sponsored by the kind government of Malaysia! I hope they are not ravaging mad Islamophobes!

As for radical dreams by radicals, get your powerful radicals under control first before asking us to control our puny radicals. Let have them all behind bars, locked away until they repent, starting with war criminals of your civilisation, which had been supporting the brutalities on Muslims and they themselves, killing innocent Muslims, let say from 1948 till the present? What say you? Attacking other nations without provocation is wrong and illegal act of terror anyway, agreeable? Why not just kill the terrorists that killed the innocents, from all side? Killers and leaders of killers should not be granted ‘life’ for the death of so many.

I wonder what is the perception of the English then, to the Irish when the IRA started to bomb London and etc? Same reactions, or slightly different? Care to share?

8 January 2011 16:08

Make of it what you will. They still burn churches in Malaysia, a topic about which I recall that Mr Srizals is uncomfortable rather than condemnatory.

13 January 2011 at 19:58  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Well Folks. Wars, Earthquakes, Floods in Aussie & Brazil, Flocks of birds falling dead out of the skies in different parts of the world, greed & corruption in high places, economic meltdown, plans for World domination, Big Brother watching us & rcording our every thought, belief & personal detail. Haven't I read something similar somewhere? All it needs is the cashless society & the Mark.
I believe as many of you do that there is a higher power involved in the all this - God. Is it not possible that we are witnessing the beginning of the birth pangs that He warned us would come?.
We are all Mortal, in 100 years none of us writing here will be on this planet, if it's still here.
Whether we depart in a nuclear big bang or quietly in a hospice or bravely in the heat of battle it matters little. Our time here will have run out, The big question is where will we spend eternity? who can we trust to tell us the truth? Each must answer for themselves. Me, I'll trust the living God, who never lied, who was prophesied to come in the flesh, who died in public & was resurrected on the third day to lead me through the valley. I know He knows the way.

13 January 2011 at 20:41  
Blogger srizals said...

Guys, multi-culturalism was enforced by us by our former master that don't even like 'the others' themselves.

Instead of apartheid, genocide and slavery, we deal with it pretty well with the once outsiders, now considered as the brothers and sisters of the same blood as Malaysians.

We have extremists and fascists lookalike from both sides, demanding more and more, sometimes, terrorised by these new brothers and sisters in street bloody killings by Chinese triads and Hindu secret societies, illegal gambling (and the 'legal' ones too), drunk drivers, sadistic rapists that willingly raped a dying Muslim woman in front of her own kids to name a few here, prostitution, economic monopoly, manipulation and strangulation and etc. We even have HINDRAF claiming the Malays were like Serbians to the whole wide world! I even witnessed with my own eyes how brutal they were killing their own on the street at night, from the safety of my home. It was really scary.

But unlike most in here, the Malay do not treated the whole other entity as whore sellers or terrorists or a community of rapists! We are able to differentiate them, get them into a corner from the rest of the civilised and good nature of people that exist in all community regardless of faith and skin colour. And deal with these devils in disguise. As we deal with our own devils in disguise of our own.

13 January 2011 at 22:38  
Blogger srizals said...

But then, our background is completely different. We never killed brutally civilians in any wars. You bragged about it.

I wonder why Hitler didn't do that to you guys when he had the superiority to do it? Kind hesitation? As did the Japanese to US civilians.

My mother had almost been brutalised by Hindu gangs when she was in a public bus because they had a quarrel among themselves and decided everyone should felt the pain and get involved. I still had grudges towards Hindu triads. And I still have many Hindu friends.

I hate prostitution and sex manipulation by Chinese organised crime syndicate (be them Buddhists or Christians or Atheists that worship only money). I still interact and learn Chinese from my Chinese friends.
Get my point?

"I can't be who you are". Leave out all the rest- Linkin Park.

13 January 2011 at 22:39  
Blogger srizals said...

Old Grumpy, that's the beauty of a telescope. It is we, who should be minding on which side of the telescope that we are actually looking into.

Bluedog, the burning of the churches was most unfortunate. It was triggered by the insinuation of Indian Catholic Christians that Allah had a son and wanted to use Allah too as a reference to God after 50 years using YHWH, Jesus and the Holy Ghost! Why didn't they refer to some Hindu god's name instead, beats me. Some short mindedness fanatics would snap, of course. Look at yours.

Before the incident, pig heads and blood were being thrown into mosques, some were also burnt and vandalised, before and after the incident. I had been to a Muslim prayer place and it was deface with human urine! I could easily provoke a riot. But I'm not a bigot. Lest we forget.

The burning was done by teen bigots. We deal with them exorbitantly and alhamdulillah, none was being burn to this day. We do not stop the Christians from displaying their Christianity or upheld referendum regarding their churches and demand, which we could do easily in numbers.
What about the West, Bluedog?

13 January 2011 at 23:08  
Blogger srizals said...

Preacher, mine is quite different than yours,

"I'll trust the living God, who never lied."

Me, "I'll trust the living God, who never lied and died, and His book which no men could do any editing to it, even when they try." With this firm knowledge, I'll live and die. Whenever and however it will.

13 January 2011 at 23:15  
Blogger srizals said...

Bluedog said, "They still burn churches in Malaysia"

Proof in the present tense would be?

13 January 2011 at 23:24  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ srizals (23:15)—It’s odd that the Creator of the Universe couldn’t write a simple book without making mistakes. Apart from the contradictions, the chapters are arranged in order of length and, consequently, the narrative is a jumble.

And isn’t it strange that the book starts off being friendly to non-Muslims and ends up calling for their murder, exactly reflecting Mohammed’s change of heart after he fled Mecca?

And isn’t it weird that the Creator should take a break from dictating his eternal message to mankind in order to arrange for Mohammed to have as many sexual partners as he wanted (Qur’an 33:50)?

14 January 2011 at 00:08  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Mr Srizals, most recent display of fire power was January 2010. Nicely reported by The Economist:

14 January 2011 at 00:54  
Blogger gildas said...

Excellent post, Your Grace

14 January 2011 at 05:41  
Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

At 23.08 srizals said: "Bluedog, the burning of the churches was most unfortunate. It was triggered by the insinuation of Indian Catholic Christians that Allah had a son and wanted to use Allah too as a reference to God after 50 years using YHWH, Jesus and the Holy Ghost! Why didn't they refer to some Hindu god's name instead, beats me. Some short mindedness fanatics would snap, of course. Look at yours."

At 23.24 Srizals then said: "Bluedog said, "They still burn churches in Malaysia"

Proof in the present tense would be?"

So first he admits it but blames the victims, and then in the next breath implies the accusation is false. Srizals, you're a real piece of work sometimes.

14 January 2011 at 06:11  
Anonymous Geoff said...

I am pretty sick of this. Its about time all the country woke up.

I lived on the Isle of Dogs until 2003 and witnessed racist comments and abuse from the Asian community many times, my wife was stoned by a gang of Asians when she got off the DLR, I was attacked on Mile End Road when I took my dog to the vets.

i stood on Mudchute station and heard an Asian tell his friend that all he wanted to do was kill white people; that he had "a black heart".

A young boy was stabbed on West Ferry Road and the attacker ran into an illegal (i.e. no planning permission) mosque next to the Ship Inn. The police would not go in and the attacker eventually fled the country. The lads father made to go in - the Police threatened him with arrest.

We were stoned whilst sitting outside the Cruising Association club at Limehouse, friends from the Poplar Rowing club were attacked in Limehouse and told to "get out of their (i.e. Muslim) area".

The church in Limehouse was torched and cemetery vandalised, the vicar beaten up. Christian and Jewish cemeteries across the area have been vandalised.

Fires were started just after 9/11 and fire crews stoned by chanting muslim mobs.

After 7/7 a friend, along with many office workers without public transport, had to walk home through Shadwell and was jeered by clapping muslims lining the streets (that one time lifelong Socialist is now in the BNP).

The population complained, a community website was set up to report incidents and advise people on safety, and Tower Hamlets Council and the Police ignored them. I contacted the Evening Standard and was told "this is too much" and they refused to take the story.

I could go on but what is the point. We placed our house on the market and left London for good.

This country is sleepwalking into oblivion and, frankly, if we cannot/will not defend ourselves I wonder if we even have the right to exist....

14 January 2011 at 11:52  
Anonymous Broadwood said...

@LeucipottomySpoon82: "So first he admits it but blames the victims, and then in the next breath implies the accusation is false. Srizals, you're a real piece of work sometimes."

The islamic mindset in a nutshell. Precisely the problem we're up against.

Here's the explanation, from one of the most insightful writers on the topic I've encountered:

14 January 2011 at 12:13  
Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

Many thanks for linking to that Broadwood, as it is an excellent piece of writing.

14 January 2011 at 17:07  
Blogger DP111 said...

Johnny Rottenborough said...The cold fact is that a British Pakistani birth rate of 4·7 will eventually produce a Muslim majority in Britain even if Muslim immigration were banned from tomorrow. Christian Britain will be no more unless we rid ourselves of Islam, by ridding ourselves of Muslims. That may sound harsh but the alternative is to allow the triumph of a religion that a farsighted British politician once described as ‘wicked, vicious’.

Been saying so far the last two decades. One way is to openly and frankly admit that the policy of trying to live in peace with Muslims has failed. The future is a civil war where innocents on all sides will be the ones who will suffer. Therefore, for the best of all, Muslims included, that we part, or else look forward to a civil war that will make Bosnia look like a garden party.

14 January 2011 at 17:57  
Anonymous Oswin said...

DP111 @ 17:57

I fear you are only too correct in your assessment; especially so with your last sentence.

However, unlike Bosnia, it won't be conducted with modern weaponry, but with meat-cleavers and the like! Unless, of course, the British Army should choose to fire upon it's own, indigenous population ... and that IS always a possibility!

14 January 2011 at 18:19  
Blogger DP111 said...

Oswin at 18:19

The possibility of strengthening the hands of moderate Muslims is always raised in such debates. Unfortunately the policy of 'Taqqiya' behooves that we be vary careful.

As the pressure on Islam and Muslims mount they will go from being aggressive to more compliant and even claim a victimised attitude. But we have to realise that this is the general MO of this most insidious of ideologies.

Let us consider the hypothetical situation that ALL Muslims at present living in the West, accepted the call to clean up their communities of extremism. They even went further and made the changes in their teachings of the Koran and the jihad. Such an outcome would no doubt come as a relief to many on this site, the government, the MSM, and elsewhere. But I counter, that all such changes were being done merely to protect the ummah while it grows at ever-increasing pace in the West. Once a near majority is achieved, that future generation of Muslims will simply revoke any changes, and return to the traditions of the unchanging and unchangeable Koran i.e., the canonical texts of Islam that cannot be changed, but only protected when under duress (Taqqiya). That future generation of Muslims in the UK, or in any Infidel nation, will even praise this generation of Muslims for having done what was necessary to protect Islam.

Islamic ideologues take the long view - in several decades or centuries, or more. It is only right that we as well consider options, keeping in mind Islam's long-term goals.

14 January 2011 at 19:09  
Blogger DP111 said...

Anonymous Indian Christian Lady

The problem for non-White Christians when the conflict takes off, is truly horrendous. Muslims of course live in closed communities, and will have their own militia to guard them. In addition, the authorities will strive might and main to protect them, with armed police and even the army. Sikhs also live in communities. You and others, OTH will not be able to gain entry as you are not a Muslim. In a conflict of such a sort, you will not be safe outside either.

India wont be safe either, as the communities will divide on the basis of Hindu or Muslim. What then? Sanctuary in a church? But after the conflict, whoever wins, the social and political situation will be so dramatically different, there will be no place for you, your children or grandchildren.

In the meantime, let us be thankful to successive governments, who have led us to a situation where clarity is beginning to dawn.

14 January 2011 at 19:25  
Anonymous Oswin said...

DP111 - you are right again, on all counts.

14 January 2011 at 19:42  
Blogger srizals said...

Mr. Bluedog, are you an Englishman?

I'll repeat your own words coming from your own mouth,

"Bluedog said, "They still burn churches in Malaysia",

I'll repeat, "They still burn."

You have presented a story without the exact year, only the dates, to show just how professional these Economist are, and their hidden agenda. For example,

"on December 31st" Paragraph 1,line 6.

"By January 14th" Paragraph 3, line 3.

Only one exact date was given,
"March 2008" Paragraph 4, line 3.

And oh, they were in the past tense. Debunked. You love intelligence of the Nobel Prize holders as a yardstick of the truth. Please do not repeat your mistake again, for your own intellectuality persona.

15 January 2011 at 01:00  
Blogger srizals said...

LeucipottomySpoon82 said on 14 January 2011 06:11,

"So first he admits it but blames the victims, and then in the next breath implies the accusation is false".

I'm not blaming the victims, since they were not the ones that were intimidating the Muslim fanatics. I'm giving the background of the incident. Oh, and the ruling was made by an unbiased Christian judge.

Where in my writings that made you think and believe I'm blaming the Christians? Please point and quote, or else, you've proven yourself as a short-minded person.

Besides, you guys don't believe in Allah right? You believe in YHWH, Jesus and the Holy Ghost as three gods in one, right?

And the accusation is false, read the above posting for Mr. Bluedog. A kind advice, please enable your intellect to read without prejudice and pre-judgement. You'll be wiser in no time.

15 January 2011 at 01:11  
Blogger srizals said...

Johnny said on 14 January 2011 00:08

I can’t find the jumbled narrative Johnny, could you please point them up for comparison? The Koran was a complete book by God’s side and revealed little by little according to it’s appropriateness and the readiness of the Muslims and the condition of time they were in, the rules and laws and also historic story for comparison, so they would memorised it by heart and with deep understanding, regarding their current situation, for 23 years of revelation. Do you know any other book that took that long to finish? The author would be driven by madness and confusion of his flow of ideas.

There’s no calling for non-Muslims murder, Johnny. Unless you can quote it/them from the Koran. The Quraish didn’t stop their aggression Johnny, it only gotten worst, they were in a war path and drunk with both, blood and liquor. We do not fight in wars by praying alone now, do we? Even you yourself are not advocating prayers to eject the Muslims from your country now, do you? And they were not even deadly heavily armed armies. They were just innocent people making a living like you.

Please kill and lock away the killers, would be terrorists and lawbreakers. I won't cry for them. We do it too. Terror would only give birth to a deadlier terror.

It is weird for you to come up with such conclusion,

“[33:50] O prophet, we made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their due dowry, or what you already have, as granted to you by GOD. Also lawful for you in marriage are the daughters of your father's brothers, the daughters of your father's sisters, the daughters of your mother's brothers, the daughters of your mother's sisters, who have emigrated with you. Also, if a believing woman gave herself to the prophet - by forfeiting the dowry - the prophet may marry her without a dowry, if he so wishes. However, her forfeiting of the dowry applies only to the prophet, and not to the other believers. We have already decreed their rights in regard to their spouses or what they already have. This is to spare you any embarrassment. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful”.

If you care to read, it is about marriage laws. That what separates us from animals and the evil ones, who have no such laws, Johnny. Could you quote marriage laws from the Bible, Johnny?

15 January 2011 at 01:38  
Blogger English Viking said...


You are entirely correct.

Atlas Shrugged,

You are a disgrace to the point of your namesake. So much so, I now consider you a troll.

15 January 2011 at 02:24  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ srizals (01:38)—Jumble ‘It is unfortunate that in preparing the contents of the Koran for book-form its editor or editors followed no chronological sequence. Its chapters were arranged generally in order of length, the longest coming first and the shortest last. Attempts have been made by Noldeke, Grimme, Rodwell, and Bell to arrange the chapters in chronological order, but scholars are agreed that a strictly chronological arrangement is impossible without dissecting some of the chapters into scattered verses, owing to the inclusion of revelations spoken in Medina in chapters begun several years earlier in Mecca.’

Murder of non-Muslims 2:191, 5:33, 8:39, 8:60, 8:65, 9:5, 9:29.

Mohammed’s multiple partners Check the three translations of 33:50 available here:
● ‘and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her; this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large)’
● ‘and a believing woman if she give herself unto the Prophet and the Prophet desire to ask her in marriage—a privilege for thee only, not for the (rest of) believers’
● ‘and a believing woman if she gave herself to the Prophet, if the Prophet desired to marry her—specially for you, not for the (rest of) believers’

15 January 2011 at 13:50  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ srizals (01:38)—I have answered your points but my post didn’t appear. Perhaps you’re receiving email notifications and will have seen it there.

15 January 2011 at 13:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

33:50] O prophet, we made lawful for you your wives to whom you have paid their due dowry, or what you already have, as granted to you by GOD. Also lawful for you in marriage are the daughters of your father's brothers, the daughters of your father's sisters, the daughters of your mother's brothers, the daughters of your mother's sisters, who have emigrated with you

Does this mean that a man may marry his own niece?


1 March 2011 at 00:43  

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