Friday, January 07, 2011

YWCA changes its name – Christian ‘no longer stands for who we are’

There is a story in today’s Daily Mail which will doubtless pass without much attention from the left-PC media, other than perhaps to gloat. The Young Women's Christian Association in the UK is to drop all four words from its historic name to rebrand itself ‘Platform 51’.

Sounds a bit like where you might find Paddington Bear.

Or where Jack Worthing was abandoned in a handbag.

‘Platform 51’ is as vacuous and meaningless as the Royal Mail’s abortive rebrand to ‘Consignia’, though it will doubtless last longer.

But we are told: 'A good name is better than precious ointment’ (Eccl 7:1). So there may be sound reasons to change one.

Perhaps the YWCA no longer serves merely the young.

And in an age of zero tolerance of gender discrimination, unisex public conveniences and mixed hospital wards, any association exclusively for women is perhaps pushing the boundaries of tolerance.

And perhaps they seek to be associative without having to state their raison d’être explicitly.

But the founders of this charity were unashamedly Christian, and it was founded upon biblical principles with a great deal of sacrifice and prayer.

And it remains largely funded by legacies left by Christian supporters who believed in the Christian ethos of working with the most vulnerable young women from the poorest communities to help them overcome poverty, exclusion and disadvantage.

But it is now appears to be the time to shake off the old image and inject a bit of Body Shop pink hair-dye (Penny Newman, chief exec., pictured right) and Equality Opportunities social engineering (Helen Wollaston, chairman, pictured left) in order ‘to modernise’.

You can’t put new wine in old wineskins.

And neither can you cram today’s liberated women into the nutshell of outdated patriarchal misogyny.

What is interesting is that officials at the World YWCA headquarters in Geneva have told the Mail that none of the 124 branches in other countries are changing their names.

The YWCA remains Christian all over the world.

But not in its country of foundation.

Spokesman for the World YWCA Sylvie Jacquat said: “The name has been there for more than 150 years and we are not even discussing a change. We see our name as an opportunity for promoting Christian values and principles.”

One wonders why these principles have to be abandoned in the UK.

It appears to be in order to secure more government grants.

Or secure them more easily.

Other Christian charities have had to change their names or close down altogether due to difficulties in securing funding. His Grace has covered numerous times the appalling plight of Catholic adoption agencies (here, here and here).

The Lancaster Diocesan Catholic Children's Society became Caritas Care; the Catholic Children’s Society in Arundel & Brighton became the Cabrini Children’s Society; the Catholic Children's Society in Nottingham became Faith in Families; the Welsh Catholic Children Society became St. David’s Children’s Society (you can still get away with synctretised patron saints).

Apparently, Churches Action for the Homeless, based in Scotland, began searching for a new name in 2009 after its chairman admitted that having a religious identity made it very difficult to obtain grant aid.

Searching for two years?

What’s wrong with St Andrew’s Action for the Homeless?

It’s better that Platform Hobo.

The YWCA explains: ‘Our original name no longer stood for who we are or what we do and people often confused us with another charity.’

Yet the YWCA is quite distinct and known all over the world. It is not quite ‘Coca Cola’, but it is a very recognisable brand.

According to the Mail, the ‘other charity’ is understood to be the YMCA.

If Coca Cola can live with a parasitical Pepsi Cola, what’s an ‘M’ and a ‘W’ between like-minded organisations?

Or are they no longer like minded?

We are told that while the YMCA ‘continues to pursue its original objective of providing accommodation for young people’, Platform 51 aims to ‘lobby for changes in the law and policies to help all women’.

So it’s acquired a political lobbying agenda.

Perhaps that is not surprising when its chairman is member of West Yorkshire Criminal Justice Board's Diversity Panel, and also a steering group member of Kirklees Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender Community Network.

Tasked with caring for young, vulnerable women, doubtless both the Chairman and Chief Exec. of Platform 51 have had their CRB checks.

But it’s a pity there is no check upon their suitability to honour tradition, respect foundation or tolerate a faith witness.

The YWCA was founded by committed Christian Emma Robarts, who ran London’s Prayer Union, and Lady Mary Jane Kinnaird, who founded the General Female Training Institute. The organisation sought to be a social and spiritual support system for young English women.

And it remains listed in the Church of England’s year book as an organisation ‘of importance for the Church of England’.

Yet none of its trustees or senior managers is a church representative.

The YWCA received £1.3million in state grants from 2008-2009.

Doubtless it will now acquire more from secularists and the state, if a little less from the legacies and estates of Christians.

Mike Judge of the Christian Institute think tank said: “Many believe there is an anti-Christian bias among those who decide which charities get state funding. It was the Christian character of the YWCA that made it great. It is a shame that it is turning its back on those values.”

A shame, indeed.

What next?

Excise Jesus from our culture, bowdlerise sermons of Christian orthodoxy and rebrand the Church as the spiritual branch of social services?

O, hang on…


Blogger Furor Teutonicus said...

If they wish to be linked to a religion, then that religion should pay for the benefit, NOT my bloody taxes.

So let them keep their sky fairy names, and let their super rich namesakes pay through the nose for them.

7 January 2011 at 08:10  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Furor Teutonicus,

You appear to be in Berlin. Your taxes may be bailing out Greece, Ireland, Spain and Portugal. But it is not clear how you could possibly be subsidising the YWCA in the UK.

7 January 2011 at 08:14  
OpenID scottspeig said...

Mr Furor Teutonicus,

While it may be your taxes (although his grace thinks otherwise), it is known as fact that the church helping in communities allows the said community to have a better impact in the area and social cohesion, as well as a lower crime rate.

As this is true, then it is taxpayers money well spent rather than on frivolous other things that the government seems willing to pay!

Plus, it is also my taxes that pay for it, and if it stuck to its principles of the seemingly bygone era, then I am happy for my taxes paying for something I find as a positive thing.

7 January 2011 at 08:54  
Blogger Furor Teutonicus said...

You want to practice your little hobby, the YOU should pay for it. NOT the tax payer. And whether those taxes are paid to the German, British or any other Government, the principal is the same.

NO tax payers money to charities. Whether they have some "church" link in their title or not.

XX scottspeig said...
church helping in communities allows the said community to have a better impact in the area and social cohesion, as well as a lower crime rate. XX

And WHAT percentage of prisoners are listed as some form of christian? Here in Berlin over 80% of them are muslim.

A REALLY good way of reducing crime" is religion, hay?

But that is not what the topic is about.

7 January 2011 at 09:06  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Dear Cranmer

Well done for this blog and for your analysis.

Unfortunatly, since the 'national lottery' 'charity' is linked with mammom. Mammo - dishonest gain, material greed. What a great deception. It is starving Christian charities of support for their mission and has replaced this with a distribution of funding to secular organisations. Yes, it facilitates much good, but it is driven by a hunger for material wealth and mixes love with greed.

This same spirit of exists in state bodies, local and national, orginally ordained to promote the welfare of people.

Charities,formed as an expression of God's love and Chritian virtues, as a way of demonstating Love and Service, are being suffocated and starved.

How many of your readers play the lottery? We bemoan paying taxes, how many readily and willing donate to the lottery and participate in the ritual of worshipping the mid-weekly and weekend 'draw'.

Again, maybe I'm just a grumpy old conservative. As my father and mother used to say, God rest their souls, "what's the world coming to?"

Once again, thank you for highlighting a symptom of our abandonment of the message of Christ.

So says - a grumpy Mr Eman.

7 January 2011 at 09:11  
Blogger cymraeg said...

An excellent post Your Grace and I too feel that if you must deny who and what you are in order to obtain funding there is "something rotten in the state of Denmark"

YWCA is still good enough for me, and yes I do pay tax.

7 January 2011 at 09:17  
Anonymous graham Wood said...

Once again, very good comment Cranmer.
Would anybody in their right mind contribute a legacy, or indeed one penny to a "Platform 51"?

I hope that as an institution, having now abandoned its great Christian roots and raison d'etre to minister to the needs of young women via a distinctively Christian witness, - I hope it has now written it own obituary, and we can forget all about it.

7 January 2011 at 10:34  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

Couldn't someone start up a new charity, called the Young Womens Christian Association? Let the two then compete, and we'll all see which one is held in higher esteem. Same for YMCA. Personally, I would keep as far away as I could from a politicised organisation, masquerading as a charity.

7 January 2011 at 11:33  
Blogger Perdix said...

A disgraceful rejection of their roots. Let's hope that in their ambitions to be a lobbying group they do not expect the government to pay them for promoting policy changes.Why are so few charities now "hands on" in their support of the disadvantaged?

7 January 2011 at 11:43  
Blogger John M Ward said...

Another success story for the devil, who seeks to undermine all that the church once put in place and destroy us from within, as well as from without.

It is not a great surprise, but is a useful "line in the sand" moment to alert us all that we really do have a serious problem that is growing because of our inaction or apparent inability to act against it and to protect those good institutions created by our forebears.

The correct way forward for these non-Christian types would have been to create their own parallel organisation; but as subversives (as they no doubt are) they instead have sought to corrupt and downgrade an existing institution.

Watch out for this technique, for it is now doubt in progress in many (perhaps all) other Christian-origin worthy organisations!

7 January 2011 at 11:54  
Anonymous John Thomas said...

Remember that charitable people (mainly Christians) work (for nothing), and fund, social services/causes that the state/taxes would have to pay for; Christian charity subsidizes the taxpayer, not the other way round.
Personally, I would never leave a legacy to a charity; it might be Christian today - but in the future? It might be led by my principles/values today, but in a few years it could be promoting abortion, or some other CD practice.

7 January 2011 at 12:02  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

The YMCA is an anachronism in 21 C Britain, the majority of young people would be put off by the name and doubtless that is why they want to change it.

However I have some sympathy with Cranmer’s argument, as whilst the removal of a Christian identity from a number of organisations is proceeding, the same cannot be said of Islamic organisations that have been allowed (by a succession of supine governments) to flog their odious message to the young and vulnerable.

Of course I would like to remove all religious privilege and undeserved influence from Britain and for it to be replaced with universal humanist values that exist in all societies and that have over the centuries been corrupted by religious ideology.

7 January 2011 at 12:20  
Anonymous JayBee said...

A coup for the Feministas.
Somehow they managed to subvert this Christian charity, get their claws into its assets and recycle its ethos.

Time for a few Wills to be rewritten, and a warning that challenges the wisdom of leaving money to Charities.

7 January 2011 at 12:43  
Blogger Prodicus said...

Direct debit cancelled. As happened to Amnesty and Christian Aid.

7 January 2011 at 13:34  
Blogger Crusader said...

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7 January 2011 at 14:03  
Blogger Crusader said...

yeah ... yeah ... blah ... blah ... wat ya gonna do bout it ... keep telling me ta go ta ya church ... I dun wan ya one ... dun like yur god ...

" ... So I must leave, I'll have to go
To Las Vegas or Monaco
And win a fortune in a game, my life will never be the same...
Money, money, money
Must be funny
In the rich man's world ... "

" ... Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash
New car, caviar, four star daydream
Think I'll buy me a football team ...

" Money, money its a gas
I'm all right Jack
Keep your hands off of my stack
It's a hit
Don't give me that do goody good bullshit
I'm in the high-fidelity first class travelling set
I think I need a Lear jet"

7 January 2011 at 14:05  
Anonymous Gerard Tibercross said...

I'm only a specialiist chancery lawyer (which includes charities) so I am baffled about what doesn't stand for who or what YWCA are. What they are is what the trust deed creating the original charitable trust says they are. It is not for mere employees, no matter how exalted, or even current trustees, to change the objects of the charitable trust without an application to a judge of the Chancery Division of the High Court (to which the A-G is respondent). So it is just a re-branding exercise in the face of anti-Christian prejudice.

I hold the highly paid management in the charitable sector in the same high esteem as I hold the grossly overpaid halfwits of the public sector, but in this case the verdict on the charity's managers must be "Not Guilty."

7 January 2011 at 15:05  
Blogger Daddy said...

"We are told that while the YMCA ‘continues to pursue its original objective of providing accommodation for young people’, Platform 51 aims to ‘lobby for changes in the law and policies to help all women’."

@Jaybee, you're spot on. The name change would be irritating even if it didn't excis the word 'Christian', just because it is in the mould of 'let's give this organisation a totally meaningless, preferably one-word name' - even my own denomination does that.

Far, far more insidious is the indication that a Christian organisation has been hijacked by the arch-feminists. To 'lobby for changes in the law and policies to help all women' is not equality. It's misandry dressed up as charity.

7 January 2011 at 15:52  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Furor Teutonicus is unaware that The German State pays huge sums to German Churches as a consequence of Napoleon sequestrating Church lands when he invaded and occupied Prussia and states like Bavaria.

Still, the really funny story about Platform 51 is that the new incumbent was with Jamie Oliver's etc etc and Fairtrade - she is simply a lobbyist with dyed hair.

YWCA may have had its day and can now focus on ladettes and party drugs - I very much doubt it will focus on oppressed Muslim women in Bradford or Oldham or even the rapist tendencies of Muslim males towards any woman not shrouded in a winding sheet

7 January 2011 at 17:20  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Staatssubventionen and Dt. Kirchen

Then again, many of us wonder why our taxes are wasted employing policemen who also seem feather-bedded and fat and lazy.

That is how our Neo-Marxist Republic functions. As for Charities. They should not work for The State and not be bought by politicians. Just what is Barnardos for ?

The State should be put back in its box - it is a German conception of Leviathan enhanced by Soviet Leninism to think it should be All-Powerful

7 January 2011 at 17:27  
Anonymous Preacher said...

"The name no longer relates to who we are or what we do".
Has anyone got an idea What the name Platform 51 has any connection to?

Is it like a cultic version of Thomas the tank, with weird rituals involving whistles, railway uniforms & green & red flags? Or has it something to do with the Harry Potter express?

Are they railway enthusiasts who spend weekends rebuilding steam locos?.

Whatever the reason, I can't see that it is an improvement, quite the contrary, as the 'new' name is more obtuse than the YWCA that they want it to replace. Sad!

7 January 2011 at 17:32  
Anonymous not a machine said...

It is perhaps merley the tip of the iceberg on what things have been going off in dimishing the christian culture via subterfuge .

Perhaps his graces communicants are in need of a stiff drink if they ponder if Labour had continued , even in the difficult position our church/churches find themselves in.

7 January 2011 at 17:41  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

John M Ward said...
Another success story for the devil, who seeks to undermine all that the church once put in place and destroy us from within, as well as from without.

Not quite, I would put it more this way.

Another success story for the forces of Mystery Babylon, who systematically undermining all the good that the Christian church once put in place, and in so doing will eventually, and permanently wipe Protestant Christianity from the face of the entire globe.

My advice is to know thy REAL enemy or lose, then lose some more ,and then keep losing until there exists no more to lose, it really is that simple.

A cancer can only be cut out if one knows where the cancer actually is.

What is worse if you don't properly identify the cancer at an early enough stage, the operation to remove it will undoubtedly kill the patient even quicker.

7 January 2011 at 18:09  
Blogger bwims said...

Typical. Infiltration by left wing "alternative lifestyle" 5th columnists and destroyed as an entity.

It's rather like a cancer. There's no saving it now.

7 January 2011 at 18:25  
Anonymous Simon Too said...

Furor Teutonicus seemingly starts by barking the platitudes of the anti-religious, but he later says 'NO tax payers money to charities. Whether they have some "church" link in their title or not.' Now there I think we have misjudged him - I fully share his grave reservations about taxpayers money going to any charity.

If Platform 51 (a name suspiciously close to Area 51) wishes to ‘lobby for changes in the law and policies to help all women’, surely it has adopted a poitical objective incompatable with being a registered charity?

7 January 2011 at 18:29  
Anonymous mark polden said...

I co-run a christian community radio station and sad to say we have had more money from government and the national lottery than we have ever had from christians and the churches.

Talk about the church being the bride of christ triumphant, got a long long way to go

7 January 2011 at 19:53  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But when did the YWCA last seriously manifest any Chrisstian identity. Surely this battle was lost generations ago (any suggestions?) during the decline of liberal prostestantism. I've always found the C of YWCA an embarrassment to faith. This Mail article is sad but its a sadnes we've had for along time.

R Lewis

7 January 2011 at 20:51  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Nothing a damn good thrashing would not sort out!

Its long overdue.

7 January 2011 at 21:14  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

Atlas shrugged said... 7 January 2011 18:09

" ... the forces of Mystery Babylon ... who will eventually, and permanently wipe Protestant Christianity from the face of the entire globe."

Oh dear, is this yet another poisonous attack on the Catholic Church although thinly but clumsily veiled?

"A cancer can only be cut out if one knows where the cancer actually is."


As a self proclaimed student of religious history (and the Bible?) you should have a better appreciation of 'Babylon', where it originally emanated from in concrete textual and vocal form, its manifestation today and its material and immaterial weapons.

Can you calculate and read the signs from Above?

7 January 2011 at 21:33  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would just like to clarify that the change of name to Platform 51 applies only to YWCA England & Wales - not the whole of the UK. YWCA Scotland and the independent YWCA groups in Great Britain including YWCA Glasgow and YWCA Sheffield will not be changing their respective names, aims or key services. Thanks.

Kim Smith, YWCA Scotland

7 January 2011 at 21:50  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"any association exclusively for women is perhaps pushing the boundaries of tolerance."

Nex thing you know , there'll be swimmming pool sessions only for Muslim women ...oh , waaiittt a minute:-)

a name change is not enough : if "Platform 51" rejects the "Christian" theme , they should be fully divorced from the YWCA.

Marcus Foxall

7 January 2011 at 22:50  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

When I was younger, I used to work for the YWCA, in an era when they took their responsibilities as a provider of affordable accommodation seriously.

When I was even younger, I lived in a YWCA during a time of strife and stress and it gave me affordable accommodation, sorely needed at the time.

Unfortunately, just recently they seem to have cast out the good as well as the bad. All in the name of progress. And forgotten the name of Christ in the process.

I could weep, Your Grace, but Biblical prophecy says this will happen.

He is coming soon. Amen.

7 January 2011 at 23:31  
Blogger English Viking said...


Not everybody hates you.

I feel for you.

8 January 2011 at 00:25  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

As a self proclaimed student of religious history (and the Bible?) you should have a better appreciation of 'Babylon', where it originally emanated from in concrete textual and vocal form, its manifestation today and its material and immaterial weapons.

Can you calculate and read the signs from Above?

7 January 2011 21:33

No, but I know several who claim to be able to do so. I however try to keep an open mind.

Perhaps I could direct your attention to the works of Alberto Rivera? He was a jesuit priest, and still is, as once a jesuit priest always a Jesuit priest. He should know what Mystery Babylon is, and he claims that Mystery Babylon is domicile in The Vatican. He claims to know this because a cardinal second only to the pope himself told him so.

Failing that, the works of other Real Christians, such as Eric Jon Phelps.

They pull no punches, and why should they?

Read them and learn, if you then believe you still have an argument that stands up, I would simply love to hear it.

8 January 2011 at 01:46  
Anonymous Tony B said...

"Christmas may be a religious festival but for most Brits, spending the holiday with family is more important than marking the Christian celebration of Jesus’s birth, our poll of over 2,000 British adults has found.
61% said that being around family was the most important part of Christmas
While ‘having a break from work’ was deemed important by the same proportion as favoured the festival’s ‘religious significance’, with both options netting 12%
5% feel that exchanging presents is the more significant element
6% said they feel ‘other’ parts of Christmas are the most important."

I wonder if this helps put things in perspective for you?

8 January 2011 at 08:16  
Anonymous Tony B said...

My comments seem to be self-deleting.

Have a look at this

71% (or whatever it is) may be "Christian"; but only 12% think the birth of Jesus is the most important thing about Christmas. Maybe that puts things in perspective for you. How do you square that particular circle?

8 January 2011 at 08:21  
Blogger Mr Eman said...

7 January 2011 18:18

You asked me to name myself.

My Baptism name, chosen by my parents, is:

Peter -
Kephas or Cephas "stone" in Aramaic.

In Latin "Petra", from the Greek πέτρος (Petros)"stone" or "rock".

My Confirmation name, chosen by me, is:

'Cristofer' in Latin
'Cristofõm' from 'Cristo'-'fom', meaning Christ and to carry.

My surname is derived from my Jewish geneology and is private.

As for 'Legion', as a young man I enrolled in the 'Legion of Mary', swearing loyalty to her Son and asking for her protection and assistance in serving Him.

"Mystery man"

8 January 2011 09:44

8 January 2011 at 09:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's fun to stay at the YMCA

You can get yourself clean
You can have a good meal
You can do whatever you feel

8 January 2011 at 09:54  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

There can be no excuse for this change but it follows the line of Women and the Church (WATCH) who are embarrassed by the maleness of Christ preferring to refer the Trinity.

A change to YWTA (Young Women's Trinity Association) would at least have retained something of the meaning of the organisation rather than consign Christianity to the history books.

8 January 2011 at 10:01  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

Tony B said

71% (or whatever it is) may be "Christian"; but only 12% think the birth of Jesus is the most important thing about Christmas. Maybe that puts things in perspective for you. How do you square that particular circle?

That’s the great thing about Christianity, its “pick-n-mix”. If you are a catholic in the developed world you can happily use contraception whilst in the third world you are condemned to hell for the same “offence”. Even the dear old CofE whose stalwarts post here cannot see the absurdity of their beliefs, happily ignoring those very nasty bits in their holy book and then having the audacity to claim that they invented morality!

But this ambiguity is what will cause Christianity to be the first of the “great” religions to bite the dust. The unswerving belief of Islam, however odious, at least means it is consistent and will not compromise with the modern world as has Christianity has done and that is why it is so dangerous.

8 January 2011 at 10:32  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Surely we should welcome the opportunity for renewal that Platform 51 represents - it claims 51% population is female - so it will adjust its name as the ratio fluctuates no doubt.

It is now simply another "Wimmin's" Group as Private Eye would say and will fade.

Time to create NEW Christian organisations and evangelise. This country is so complacent and lazy that it things all institutions are permanent and eternal. It does little physical maintenance and even less spiritual maintenance.

These failing institutions have been threadbare for decades and simply collapse as the old generation shuffles off having failed to renew. One sees it in congregations that do not welcome outsiders or newcomers but run as cliques until the funding crisis of 50p in the collection envelope shows how decayed the branches are.

Christ came to renew Judaism with focus on Torah; Martin Luther came to renew Catholicism....decay is a human condition

8 January 2011 at 11:39  
Anonymous AmusedinBelfast said...

Your grace,

Whilst appearances do suggest a "feminista rebranding" - has this name change actually been accompanied by any new policy outlines? Surely you wouldn't begrudge an agency that has, by your own admission, served countless women in need for generations, the option of lobbying for much needed changes in the law?

I would fully expect that most of their focus will be on things like rape law, forced marriage and domestic violence. I'm not sure their charitable remit would cover Harman-esque equality lobbying.

Maybe you could afford to give them the benefit of the doubt and do a follow up piece in a few months time to see if they have changed their tune on a practical or ideological level?

Yes a name change like this is irritating, but if it helps them to secure much needed government funding for this very worthy cause, I'm inclined to be charitable to those who made the descision (pun intended).

What I'd be less pleased with, is if I learnt that they went the usual corporate route and employed some two-bit consultant to come up with "Platform 9 3/4" for £10k. Any word on the decision making process?

8 January 2011 at 12:27  
Anonymous Jonathan Stuart-Brown said...

Will Your Grace kindly focus on the big topic of the day and the week as we are in the "sack race" season which should apply to Cabinet Ministers as well as football managers.
As regards this quango dropping its Christian link in its title, this is just the modern trend to be popular and in with the buzz policy and to submit to perceived peer pressure in the msm and Government. Change the Cabinet Ministers, get some backbone in, and the spineless sheep will all be grabbing every Christian and Biblical buzzword they can find in the title....if they see favour, grants, budgets, salaries, other quango jobs and promotions.
Getting the tone right at the top is the key. Those without Cranmer moral base will follow good leaders or bad in whatever direction they lead.
Your Grace focus on getting good leaders in Cabinet and the sheep will follow.

8 January 2011 at 12:28  
Blogger Roger Pearse said...

I'm not quite clear, from your report, on how the YWCA name- and policy-change is different from saying "let's close down the YWCA and set up a new group, which does different things, stands for different values, and let's loot the YWCA to pay for it."

That ought to be illegal, surely? If the YWCA no longer exists in any recognisable form, its funds need to be transferred to some Christian women's group that DOES exist for the purpose for which that money was given.

Anything else is just theft.

Mind you, New Labour corrupted the Charities system and installed Dame Suzi Leather to take down the public schools. The Coalition needs to reform this, and then perhaps the Charities Commission would be a fit body to stop this kind of gang-banging of the YWCA.

Update: I see the comments contain the usual hate-filled atheist comments that attach to ANY post that even faintly mentions Christianity. Am I the only one bored to tears with these ghastly bigots?

8 January 2011 at 13:49  
Anonymous len said...

"The YWCA remains Christian all over the world.
But not in its country of foundation."

It is rather ironic that the U K (once a Christian Nation )which sent missionaries all over the World is now in desperate need itself of evangelising.
It is also a fact that by creating a godless atheistic state we will not get a paradise on Earth but the exact opposite.

8 January 2011 at 16:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's the big furore with a name change?!?! Ultimately Precinct 51 will be judged by their fruits, not their name.

8 January 2011 at 17:03  
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8 January 2011 at 17:03  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Daddy @ 15:52

''...far more insidious is the indication that a Christian organisation has been hi-jacked by the arch-feminists''.

Just a thought: my knowledge and experience of the Y.M.C.A. is restricted to three establishments only, but each of the three had been 'hi-jacked' by homosexuals, many years since.

8 January 2011 at 17:19  

"Platform 51 aims to ‘lobby for changes in the law and policies to help all women’.

""All women"?. I read this as code for "promoting litigation, to impose certain global agendas on countries which would not otherwise accept them. These agendas include the legalization of abortion in Latin America and, in European countries in which abortion is already legal, the abolition of conscience clauses for doctors who refuse to carry out such operations." —

If this is the case, how will the YWCA differ from other pro-abortion organizations such as Amnesty International, Oxfam and Christian Aid?

8 January 2011 at 19:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The whole concept of YWCA is still being maintained, in the end it is only a name, and everyone seems to keep stating that there is no meaning behind it whereas if you actually looked into it there is. The platform part stands for the fact that the group is a platform to help women to achieve their potential and help them, the 51 is for the 51% of the population that is female. The group doesn't just reach those people who are Christian and so it doesn't seem right to have it as a Christian group when some people aren't Christians as that wouldn't seem right. In the end it is only a name and Platform 51 are still going to carry on doing the good work that the YWCA did as it is still the same organisation.

9 January 2011 at 21:42  

In China, due to the mass abortion and infanticide of females, the percentage of women is now only 45%. Accordingly, following the suggestion of Voyager, the Chinese branch of the YWCA should be known as "Platform 45 and decreasing".

Out of curiosity, I googled the term "YWCA and abortion" and found the following in one of YWCA's sites:

"For almost four decades the YWCA has been an advocate for reproductive rights and freedoms. In 1989, the YWCA was at the forefront of pro-choice demonstrations in Washington. In 1990, when attacks were made on many corporations by the Christian Action Council because of their support of Planned Parenthood, the YWCA wrote supportive letters to the corporations. In 1991, when defense appropriations tried to limit abortions for women in the military, YWCAs wrote letters of protest. In the 1980's and 1990's when administrations sought to limit international aid funding to countries which provide abortion services, the YWCA wrote and called congressional representatives asking removal of this provision from the funding bills."

It appears that for many years, the YMCA has lobbied for a non existent right to murder the unborn by abortion. In this, and probably other issues, the YWCA is diametrically opposed to Christianity. It should, therefore, for the sake of honesty, proceed with its name change.

10 January 2011 at 04:04  
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11 January 2011 at 07:08  
Blogger Blind said...

It's a shame that the current fad of religion-bashing has influenced the YWCA. It also seems to have had a knock-on effect on my direct debits - as of this morning, they're on their way to the Salvation Army instead. At least they're not ashamed of their origins and principles.

Groups and individuals influenced by their faith have done an amazing amount of good for the UK over the years. The founders of such groups, and those who came after them, didn't fly planes into towers, smuggle homemade bombs into London, or put explosives in their shoes - they helped the homeless, the vulnerable, the victims of society. Yet, a small handful of people think that it is now acceptable to lump them together with those who did these things, to belittle the beliefs that motivate them, to accuse them of delusion, and sweep all the good that was done under the carpet.

I can only hope that our society has come far enough that support for this new form of bigotry won't last.

11 January 2011 at 07:10  

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