Tuesday, February 22, 2011

Cameron in Egypt – the statesman emerges


It is usually the prerogative of the President of the United States, as the democratically-elected leader of the free world, to be the first to visit a nation emerging from oppression through revolution towards liberty. Failing that, one might expect the European Union’s High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy, unelected and accountable to no-one, to strut her stuff and pontificate hypocritically about the importance of democracy and human rights.

But yesterday David Cameron, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, stole the show and became the first world leader to visit Egypt and nudge the revolution towards democracy and civilian rule. The Spectator termed it the Prime Minister’s ‘Garibaldi moment’, noting that the Italian military leader is one of his great heroes, and that he admires Garibaldi’s ‘romantic nationalism'.

While His Grace prefers muscular patriotism, the Prime Minister is to be credited with putting his foreign policy where his Munich speech was, for he pointedly snubbed the Muslim Brotherhood, saying he wanted young people to see there was an alternative to ‘extreme Islamist opposition’. Which is just as well, considering the Brotherhood’s new-found messiah Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi yesterday called for the immediate assassination of Colonel Gaddafi.

Fatwa foreign policy doesn’t augur well for an Egypt under the aegis of the Brotherhood.

Mr Cameron’s leadership in the Middle East is that of the statesman, not the salesman; it is born of democratic conviction, not superficial sophistry. So let us today thank God that someone is answering the prayers of President Obama, ‘...that violence in Egypt will end, and the rights and aspirations of the Egyptian people will be realised’.

Because Baroness Ashton isn’t listening to the still small voice.

But she probably wouldn’t notice the hurricane either.

We must pray for the rulers and people of Egypt, and of Bahrain, and of Libya. And hope that David Cameron’s new-found ethical foreign policy shines a little light into the region’s troubled darkness and despair.

It’s just a great pity - a truly (and literally) great shame - that he has allowed his righteous mission to be muddled with mutterings of murky arms sales. There’s no point planning a coup de théâtre if you’re going to allow your climactic moment of soliloquy to be upstaged by spear carriers: it is a poor director who allows the bit-part players to steal the spotlight from the protagonist.

For all the talk of a much-strengthened and more-focused backroom team at No10 of political movers and strategic shakers, where is the stage manager? Where is the mise-en-scène? Where is the intuitive communication? Where is the conceptual coherence?

Sell arms, if you have to, on the back of promises not to repress a population.

But remember that such promises are regularly broken with impunity: when you sell bombs and bullets to Middle East dictators, Arab autocrats and military juntas, they have a habit of being used to snuff out the lives of those who yearn for democracy and dream of liberty. And so the hopes of freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of religion and freedom of association are sacrificed on the altar of national trade interests. If the price of job creation back home is a few martyrs to shari’a and executions under Islamic blasphemy laws, it seems to be a price worth paying.

Michael Burleigh in the Mail quotes Edmund Burke, who warned that ‘very plausible schemes, with very pleasing commencements, have often shameful and lamentable consequences’.

He who lives by the sword, and all that.

Blessed are the peacemakers, certainly.

But it is more blessed to give democracy than to receive defence procurement contracts.

And even more blessed to have the nous not to permit the one to be conflated or confused with the other.

39 Comments:

Blogger Gnostic said...

What the hell does Cameron know about statesmanship? He can't govern this country competently, preferring the EU to do the job for him.

22 February 2011 at 08:24  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

I have no doubt that many in the region yearn for freedom, security and liberty. But, on the balance of probabilities, that is not what they are going to secure.

The region’s cultures are built on law being issued by tribal leader to peasant – that extinguishes the Judaeo-Christian idea of equality before the law (where lord and butler are equal). Indeed, ‘Do not pervert justice; do not show partiality to the poor or favouritism to the great, but judge your neighbour fairly’ it says in the Book of Leviticus.

The West cannot overturn cultural values that are assumed and practiced without question for generations.

‘He also said to the crowds, “When you see a cloud rising in the west, you say at once, ‘A shower is coming.’ And so it happens.

‘And when you see the south wind blowing, you say, ‘There will be scorching heat,’ and it happens.

‘You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of earth and sky, but why do you not know how to interpret the present time?’

22 February 2011 at 08:43  
Anonymous Elliot Kane said...

I am hardly an admirer of Cameron, but I have to admit he did well this time. Bravo!

22 February 2011 at 08:51  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

I was impressed that he was walking around Tahrir Square in the crowds looking very calm.

22 February 2011 at 09:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why can’t Cameron, the Heir to Blair, keep his nose out of Egypt, Libya and North Africa? What business is it of his to force ‘democracy’ down the throats of these people? What a hypocrite.

No doubt the USA and the EU have been busy stoking tensions in this region. The EU has plans to expand the super-state into North Africa and such meddling is designed to help assist in that goal. But you just know what is going to happen. The whole region is going to become a theocracy. The caliphate is going to be reborn.

God help Europe.

22 February 2011 at 09:27  
Blogger Daddy said...

"...it is more blessed to give democracy than to receive defence procurement contracts."

Hear, hear.

22 February 2011 at 09:38  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Arms sales as Mme Thatcher discovered after her economic policy is the only part of the engineering sector in Britain to survive. Such was the reasoning behind the Pergau Dam Affair.

Cameron is doing what Blair did....being an errand boy for a US President. Obama boobed by sending Sarkozy's father-in-law Frank Wisner (CIA) to talk to Mubarak forgetting he was a lawyer to the Egyptian regime and he came out urging Mubarak to stay.

Sending Cameron shows Obama doesn't trust Hillary Clinton's State Dept

22 February 2011 at 09:48  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

All the huffing and puffing about Christian values heard here does not sit comfortably with a decidedly unethical foreign policy. Cameron is on a trade mission with a bunch of British arms manufacturers. A photo op in Cairo is hardly a triumph of diplomacy, rather it is a sordid attempt distract from troubles at home.

22 February 2011 at 10:03  
Anonymous i albion said...

Democracy starts at home,what about a country of "sour little Englanders" as Cameron finds it so amusing to brand the English.
England has no Parliament to give her a voice ,we are governed by a "British" Parliament, with hardly a Patriotic Englishman among the lot of them!

22 February 2011 at 10:05  
Anonymous non mouse said...

God help Europe, said Anonymous.
Oh I hope He doesn't. I hope we find a way to stay on His side.

And i albion -- thanks for that. If it's true, and he fancies himself fighting for the Scots, then that partly explains why we're as well helped up as we've been this last 15 years.

As if the rest of us haven't been here for the last 6,000 years or more, ourselves...
But no; they'd rather bring in the aliens- as ever.

22 February 2011 at 11:24  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace
Would you Adam ‘n’ Eve it? Cameron has just said:
'The evolution of political and economic progress will be different in each country. But that’s not an excuse, as some would argue, to claim that Arabs or Muslims can’t do democracy – the so-called Arab exception. For me that’s a prejudice that borders on racism.'

Oh please! Spare me!

The reason why many of the western powers produced democracy is because of the influence of Judaeo-Christianity: for example an independent judiciary, written constitutions (Ten Commandments), equality before the law and treatment of the alien and the stranger.

In Britain the lord and his butler are equal before the law.

In the cultures of the region that Cameron is speaking to the writ of the law runs from lord to peasant not from peasant to lord or better still from written constitution to peasant and lord equally.

Take the case of Turkey. The military have been the guardians of a secular constitution to protect it from the religious and Leftist nutters.

On the 12 February 133 senior officers were arrested and a further 29 arrest warrants issued.
What we are seeing, and this is geo-political reality, is the creation of a Caliphate.

22 February 2011 at 14:04  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Your Grace links to a Reuters story about the Muslim Brotherhood setting up a political party, the Freedom and Justice Party. Its justice policy will inevitably flow from Islamic law, and the Muslim concept of freedom (hurriyyah) means freedom from religious doubt, thus enabling one to be the perfect slave of Allah.

22 February 2011 at 14:25  
Blogger Perdix said...

Cameron's trip tp the Middle East (a trade mission) was planned long before "the street" erupted.He took the opportunity to call in at Cairo to sooth and encourage. It's false to claim that these things can be better "managed".
I am reminded of the stupid comments from The Left when Cameron was criticised for making a speech about multiculturalism on the same day as a march by the EDL!

22 February 2011 at 14:57  
Anonymous Voyager said...

All the huffing and puffing about Christian values heard here does not sit comfortably with a decidedly unethical foreign policy

The unethical foreign policy [sic] is for the benefit of Non-Christians like yourself Graham Davis......you of course should tell Cameron you are a Refusenik

22 February 2011 at 15:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Regarding Frank Wisner Sr (father of Frank Wisner Jr), I recommend the following book :

"America's Nazi Secret" by John Loftus.

It gives lot of information about the OPC and Frank Wisner Sr.

You may also be interested by

"A Mosque in Munich (...)" by Ian Johnson.

A few pages are on

http://www.scribd.com/BEGHINSELEN

22 February 2011 at 15:14  
Anonymous tony b said...

Well, how long did Labour's "ethical foreign policy" last, eh?

Let's have some realism. For decades, we and the Americans have been propping up (and selling arms to) many if not all of these vile dictatorships; and now that their people are throwing the dictators out, we're going over there saying "we're with you!"

They must be laughing their arses off.

22 February 2011 at 15:22  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Thank God for Eurabia the Globalists prayers have been answered.

We need protection zones setting up now across North Africa to protect those fleeing Gadaffis regime.

22 February 2011 at 16:35  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Anonymous said 22 February 2011 09:27

Why can’t Cameron, the Heir to Blair, keep his nose out of Egypt, Libya and North Africa?( Because I have sent him there to try and 'encourage them' into having what you haven't got in Euroland, SPECTRE'S favourite theme park, Democracy!) What business is it of his to force ‘democracy’ down the throats of these people? (It is SPECTRE'S business, dear boy, mind your own business or we will mind it for you!). What a hypocrite (Thank you, we trained him that way because, as you wisely state, he is " the Heir to Blair", the original proto-type).

No doubt the USA and the EU have been busy stoking tensions in this region (I have insisted that they do). The EU has plans to expand the super-state into North Africa and such meddling is designed to help assist in that goal (How have you seen a copy our my master plan). But you just know what is going to happen.(Wrong, you do not) The whole region is going to become a theocracy.(Wrong again!) The caliphate is going to be reborn.(Over Ernst's dead body, old chap..Like Highlander states, 'There Can Only Be One')

God help Europe.(From some of your comments from such as Len, it appears to be going very well and possibly to plan with the 'Almighty's' help and meeting his purpose, perhaps?)

Also;

Non mouse said 22 February 2011 11:24

"God help Europe, said Anonymous.
Oh I hope He doesn't. I hope we find a way to stay on His side."

I like your ' British stiff upper lip, never say die' style, Sir.

Your Servant, Sir, until it suits my purpose.

Blofeld

Finally;

Bred in the bone 22 February 2011 16:35

Good afternoon, operative Hobgoblin Scaramouche 0666.

Nice photo of my current two favourite SPECTRE operatives, Decepticon/servative 2010 and SuperGod Maximo 2009. Enough to make a meglomaniac's chest positively 'bulge' with pride.

What a pair!

Trust the weather in Rochdale is fine ? If not, have purchased..well, stolen, an alien weather machine stowed away by CIA at Roswell, right from under the yanks noses. Very Sloppy!

Say the word, dear boy, say the word and it's Mardi Gras time.

Of course, if it goes wrong, its only Lancashire.

Your Supreme leader

Ernst

22 February 2011 at 17:27  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

tony b: "Well, how long did Labour's "ethical foreign policy" last, eh?"

I'm mostly with Machiavelli on that. As far as possible you have to be seen to be good but at the level of governments it's impossible to be wholly good.

22 February 2011 at 17:51  
Anonymous Oswin said...

We surely do live in interesting times; I am not sanguine.

22 February 2011 at 18:21  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Oswin said 22 February 2011 18:21

"We surely do live in interesting times" I try my best, old chap. Trust you appreciate 'old Ernst's'
efforts?

"I am not sanguine." Neither am I. You are called Oswin and I, I am Ernst Stavro Blofeld.

Hope this clarification of who you are helps, amnesia is a terrible thing, my dear boy.

Uncle Ernst.

22 February 2011 at 19:50  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Your Grace, it is all hugely entertaining and it does seem that Dave is genuinely moved.

As we know, democracy is a chaotic and messy process, but the Jasmine revolution is surely causing total panic in two quarters, China and the Caliphate Club. The return of al-Qaradawi to Ehypt is possibly evisence of concerns within the latter. As your comminicant has said before, the message of the Islamists is being rejected by every protester who braves the tear-gas and the gunships to raise a cry for democracy. We can only applaud the courage of these educated young Muslims who are rejecting tribalism and medieval theocracy for a Western political future.

Given the West's strategic imperative of retaining hegemony over the Middle East's oil supplies, one can forgive Dave for playing every card in the deck. The critical thing is to keep China out, which takes us back to Afghanistan.

What the West really needs is a new Shah to keep Iran in the Western camp. If the Persian elite could only produce a credible alternative to A-jad and dispense with the Mullahs, we could declare victory in Kabul and bring the boys home. Just a dream.

22 February 2011 at 20:04  
Anonymous Budgie said...

Voyager said: "Arms sales as Mme Thatcher discovered after her economic policy is the only part of the engineering sector in Britain to survive."

Twaddle. UK manufacturing accounted for about 20% of GDP when Thatcher was ousted from office by the Tory party. The proportion under Labour fell to nearly 11%, and has just recently risen to 12%.

The UK manufactures and exports a vast array of products from chemicals and pharmaceuticals to cars, civil aero engines and telecoms.

Defence exports were £7 billion in 2009, about half of one percent of UK GDP, or about 6% of manufacturing exports.

22 February 2011 at 20:42  
Blogger Owl said...

YG, your faith in Cast Iron Dave is very strong despite what you already know from his actions and spin.

I just wish I could believe a word he says.

22 February 2011 at 22:18  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Selling arms was once a matter of tribal pride , to put it quite simply the way you dealt with opression was by having sufficent fire power to make your attacker think twice at least . I always thought the Bieruit war was the defining one , a perfectly nice and working tourist economy , filled with machine gun,mortar,RPG and tank shell holes , after that every state in the middle east turned up at the arms shows.

However I have no right to detract from David Camerons notable speech today , he was respectful and showed some sense of cultural history. The articulations about democracry and not western imposed democracy were most interesting , He showed the states that had tried to make it work and offered the countries that speak arabic a vison , not of tribal positioning , but of an economy that may help many poor . I think it was a very good and timely piece of as you put it your grace "statemanship", some may have thought it was a bit Blair , but the langauage was much more mature . The foriegn secretary has also clearly been an important part of the new dialogue and both looked/sounded informed and workable . I dont know what the Arabs thought of it , I presume some of them must be statesmen too and despair at the ecnomic loss to the area by the constant fighting .

Gadaffis speech was a bit smarter than most people thought , the long wait with people holding placards (at one point you could see an arm waving,demanding them all to squeeze together) tribal clothes , his historic bombed out home ,the threats to the people of Libya .No mention of course of the dead in Tripoli, why hes afraid of democracy or the poverty.
Tonight even the Arab league have pulled support and some diplomats have defected . I dont think a no fly zone is acceptable this time and if war has to conducted then I wonder if it will end when Gaddafi dies rather than a big hardware war but again if Arab dialogue wont work and western arms offend who will do what is right to remove him.
Care and backbone from the UN would help but it is clear that gadaffi is about to be granted his wish to become a maytr, and perhaps be for ever remebered as a stupid one who couldnt see democracy had arrived in the Arabic speaking youth/world .

22 February 2011 at 22:25  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

"Your Grace, it is all hugely entertaining (I know, nothing good on the telly tonight, is there) and it does seem that Dave is genuinely moved.(Gulp!)"
The most scary thing is, I believe you truly mean this, Bluedog.
"We can only applaud the courage of these educated young Muslims who are rejecting tribalism and medieval theocracy for a Western political future." Bluedog, my sweet boy, I think you will find that all the 7/7 'disenfranchised' suicide bombers who were educated and nurtured at british taxpayer expense, were similar to those same 'educated young Muslims' you are now praising..Where is the discernment? as wishful thinking has never 'won the day' in anything.

"If the Persian elite could only produce a credible alternative to A-jad and dispense with the Mullahs, we could declare victory in Kabul and bring the boys home. Just a dream."

I really like you Bluedog but..

All together now;

"Oh, I could hide 'neath the wings of the Bluedog as he sings
The 6 o'clock alarm would never ring...To a daydream believer.."

Your most ever observant SuperVillain

Ernst Stavro Blofeld

Ps Owl said 22 February 2011 22:18

"I just wish I could believe a word he says." Oh.. a discerning creature in our midst who maybe catching on to my SPECTRE operative, Decepticon/servative 2010.

A wise old bird if ever I heard one and very rare on this blog. (and then Not a Machine comes on to prove me right. Ha Ha. I HATE being always proved right)

Here, have a mouse as a reward, from Ernst.

22 February 2011 at 22:32  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Not A Machine said 22 February 2011 22:25

Good God, man, even Tiddles said she could do better.

http://www.jspell.com/public-spell-checker.html

With my compliments, Mr Blonde.

Ernst

22 February 2011 at 22:48  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Not a Machine said 22 February 2011 22:25

On second thoughts;

From Ernst with Love. *Matt Monroe warbling in background* Great singer and a favourite of Irma's!

22 February 2011 at 22:51  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Ernst : "you only live twice" mmm having just watched the powerful international presence of the EU foreign minister (cough) and recalling last nights non answer on Gaddaffis removal by the shadow foreign sec Douglas Alexander . I rather felt a well expensed brussels supper was being disturbed by some sort of problem someone else should be dealing with.
Ernst you werent that dentist that was found guilty of misconduct today , aparently as he pulled and drilled things , he would belch and fart in close proximity to the patient . Of course with a mothfull of suction gear or clamps , not much chance of breathing through your nose , clearly a real baddie.

22 February 2011 at 23:03  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

my Nemesis said 22 February 2011 23:03

You really are a stubborn one, Mr Blonde.

http://www.jspell.com/public-spell-checker.html...ITS FREE, you old skinflint, or is it indeed a cunning ploy to lure the foolish into debate with you as I have previously stated to that pigheaded operative of mine, DanJO La Rue.

"having just watched the powerful international presence of the EU foreign minister (cough) " Gordo's secret pin up girl and the reason why he nominated her, perhaps?.

Thank Goodness I have two fully functioning eyes, the reason I never employed Rosa Klebb for her looks (not the person you'd want your best mates at villain camp to meet as your date for the evening) but was a brilliant operator, I am sure you will agree, you can't say that for Ashton on either account. FACT.

"I rather felt a well expensed brussels supper was being disturbed by some sort of problem someone else should be dealing with." Correct again, Ernst always has to clear up the mess of the 'diplomatically challenged', I'm afraid.

"Ernst you werent that dentist that was found guilty of misconduct today , aparently as he pulled and drilled things , he would belch and fart in close proximity to the patient . " Certainly not, dear boy, a true SuperVillain is like her Maj, we indulge in neither.
Unlike our arabic brethren, who seem to have a penchant for this and also seem unable to stop from doing both at the same time! so uncouth, so 'common as muck'. If 'Ernst' was to do either it would sound almost 'Handelian'.

Kindest Regards, old chap.

Ernst

22 February 2011 at 23:26  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Not A Machine said 22 February 2011 23:03

A lot of my SuperVillain colleague's wonder why I frequent this blog, as I would say I am an 'Extraordinary kinda guy', to pinch Blair's mantra and add my own little twist.

However I have a sneaky admiration for the old windbag who writes this blog.

Considered checking out Dale's but all he was ever interested in was getting his mush on Sky's press review or getting a 'shock jock' spot..LBC, Job Done! BORING.

Guido, that man caught a glimpse of himself whilst passing the bathroom mirror, aged 11 and it's been true love ever since. Er, No Ta.

Whereas Cranmer, the old fool, has class and is quite content to go out on a limb for what he truly believes, even if he courts ridicule from his own 'Tribe'. Gotta love him for that.

He is also a little dangerous to my plans for world domination, so I keep a tab on his little sermons, to see if anybody pays attention, so I can 'snuff it out' quickly with my operatives in HOC or HOL or bloggers that frequent this blog.
Unfortunately they are not the most, how shall we say, subtle lot, or have 'Delusions of grandeur' so I have to frequently chastise them publicly or bring about mishaps such as Brown's 'She's an old bigot' moment..My Operative 'accidentally forgot' to remove the live mic before he got in the car! OOPs.

Suitably chastised, I think you would agree?

Stupid but well meaning bunch but need a firm hand now and then.

I take it you come here for??

Ernst

23 February 2011 at 00:06  
Anonymous not a machine said...

His grace posts some of the most thoughtful bloggs going . tried fawkes twice and it gave me indgestion , tory bear , couldnt even get onto Dale, old holborn used to be excellent fun until he started getting a bit uppy at any righties that posted on his site.

Mrs Ashton is somthing of a riddle to me , never been elected to anything and yet holds top eu foreign job I will laugh my pants off if she becomes the next Labour leader when Coreleoni brothers end up writing observer leaders .

Me I come here to try and serve the lord and his son jesus Christ , but I take it that anyone who mentions that to you is deemed a puritan riddled with superstitions . I am quite convinced god exists which is difficult to show/explain but not to experience if you can do the two great commandments .

23 February 2011 at 00:41  
Anonymous not a machine said...

One more thought . Being as it seems the tragic losses in NZ are substantial and we have a large number of unemployed building sector how about sending a few 1000 over there and some prfessionals to help rebuild the area . pay em say £300 wk throw in tent and food for 6 months take it off aid budget , might not help much with unemployment figs but at least it helps NZ .

23 February 2011 at 01:07  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Not A Machine said 23 February 2011 00:41

"Me I come here to try and serve the lord and his son jesus Christ , but I take it that anyone who mentions that to you is deemed a puritan riddled with superstitions
(I secretly admire your honesty and public declaration of belief, my dear fellow).

I am quite convinced god exists (I could not comment on this) which is difficult to show/explain but not to experience if you can do the two great commandments (what are these two, old boy) ."

Ernst Stavro Blofeld could not possibly give any public declaration such as you have done, as it would defeat his purpose for existing, ;0) , as he has much work to do.

He needs to keep his operatives in line.

However, my hat is off to you Sir.

ps.

If you mention any of the above publicly then I will be forced to send Irma Blunt to 'have words' with you.

I was once pestered by Sharm El Sheikh street venders whilst incognito, who refused to take 'No thank you' for an answer. What is it with this 'Lubbly Jubbly', do all who speak english look like a member of the Trotters clan.

Irma, how shall we say, helped them 'shut up shop early'.

Not a pretty sight, I assure you, my dear fellow. Point taken?

Kind Regards

Ernst

"One more thought . Being as it seems the tragic losses in NZ are substantial and we have a large number of unemployed building sector how about sending a few 1000 over there and some prfessionals to help rebuild the area . pay em say £300 wk throw in tent and food for 6 months take it off aid budget , might not help much with unemployment figs but at least it helps NZ ." Careful, Old chap. That 'heart of gold' of your's is showing and my operatives might attack you.

23 February 2011 at 01:14  
Anonymous len said...

Cameron`s visit might have been a bit more impressive if he had left the arms dealers and the crowd control experts at home.

23 February 2011 at 08:07  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Twaddle. UK manufacturing accounted for about 20% of GDP when Thatcher was ousted from office by the Tory party. The proportion under Labour fell to nearly 11%, and has just recently risen to 12%.

Learn how ONS compiles figures before pontificating. "Manufacturing" is not synonymous with ENGINEERING. Manufacturing includes Printing and Paper....however the largest Manufacturing Employer is AEROSPACE and Manufacturing accounts for 83% EXPORTS

Playing like a Primary School child with percentages is puerile. If 12% Britain's economy produces 83% Exports it shows just how lop-sided this economy is.

Germany has 33% EU Manufacturing Capacity and is the country most admired by Japan, China, India etc.

What is the other 88% British economic output doing ? IMPORTING ?

23 February 2011 at 08:53  
Anonymous Voyager said...

UK manufacturing accounted for about 20% of GDP when Thatcher was ousted from office by the Tory party. The proportion under Labour fell to nearly 11%, and has just recently risen to 12%.

These figures are BY VALUE....so if a City Lawyer earns £400/hour he generates a higher share of GDP than an Engineer paid £80/hour.

The Service Sector in Britain is over-priced relative to Manufacturing and completely unaligned with global costs. The Public Sector has inflated with Service Sector and burdened the Manufacturing Sector with heavy charges.

There are more £100,000 + jobs at the BBC than in most Manufacturers thus skewing GDP proportions. Only Manufacturing has proper automation and measured productivity

23 February 2011 at 08:57  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Defence exports were £7 billion in 2009, about half of one percent of UK GDP, or about 6% of manufacturing exports.

So what ? Not every engine Rolls-Royce sells is booked under "Defence" but it writes development costs off on larger production runs.

Some contracts are paid for in oil - Al-Yammamah so we don't know how they are booked

Other contracts run through JV projects like Eurofighter or through offshore subs, and others are offset deals with local assembly. Some are paid for over years through soft export loans....

We still build submarines we do not export, we do not export nuclear warheads or missiles, but that is still manufacturing technology

23 February 2011 at 09:07  
Anonymous Petronius said...

Well, well, well, so Mr Cameron goes to Egypt and delivers yet more "talk" and "speeches". He's very good at talking and speaking, oh yes, one cannot fault him on that. But when are we going to see him "walk the walk", and not just "talk the talk"?
There are huge problems here in the UK which require urgent action and not speeches. I'll start to put some trust in Mr Cameron when I start to see some real action being taken. I've had a belly full of his speeches and talks already, and have seen precious little action taken, so far. Enough talking, Mr "conservative" Cameron; start blooming well acting.

23 February 2011 at 22:59  

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