Sunday, February 27, 2011

Ireland’s new puppet government emerges

They’re still counting (ah, the joys of STV; it won’t be much better under AV). But it is now looking certain that Fine Gael’s Enda Kenny will be the next Taoiseach of the Republic of Ireland, bringing to a close Fianna Fáil’s 70-year dominance over the nation’s politics and ending their 14-year unbroken period of governance.

All the favourite politico clichés are being rolled out: it’s a ‘landslide’; a ‘sea change’ in Irish politics; a ‘revolution’; a ‘fracturing’ of the Irish body politic, etc., etc. And it is all of those. The people of Ireland have just delivered at the ballot box what the peoples of Tunisia, Egypt and Libya have to die to achieve: regime change.

But His Grace feels really quite sorry for Mr Kenny, for he cannot quite deliver the regime change the people desire. Fine Gael have been swept to power on the back of a promise to renegotiate the terms of Ireland’s €80bn bailout by the European Union and International Monetary Fund.

Did His Grace say ‘swept to power’?

He apologises.

Gael or Fáil – it doesn’t matter which centre-right(ish) party is in office, their sovereignty has been removed: they have no power. What they have is an electoral mandate from the people to renegotiate, which is nice. But a new marriage of convenience doesn’t negate a bankruptcy order on the divorcée; it doesn’t absolve them of their contractual responsibilities: only death can liberate them from the burden. The Irish people really ought to have learned by now that they can scream and scream and scream – and even reject an EU treaty – but it makes not one iota of difference in Brussels: the EU juggernaut rolls on inexorably.

And the same is true of the IMF and the ECB: unaccountability means the same austerity measures will still be imposed, exactly as they are across the eurozone.

The puppets may have changed but the same puppet master is pulling the strings. This election will not diminish Ireland’s debt by one euro; it will not reduce the interest rate by a quarter of a percentage point; it will not diminish the burden of the deficit by so much as an old Irish pund: it will hang around their necks for decades, and rest upon the shoulders of their children and their children’s children.

Why can they not see that he who pays the piper calls the tune? You’d think, in Ireland of all places, that they’d understand the significance of pipe playing.

These tedious days of vote counting will now be followed by further days of backroom deals and coalition forming: Ireland is familiar with the process. It looks as though Fine Gael will govern with Labour, whose vote has also increased significantly. That will leave Fianna Fáil in opposition along with Sinn Féin.

Enda Kenny’s manifesto for government will then be some fusion of Labour/Fine Gael policies and programmes, no permutation of which will be put to the people. And those who purport to lead the country will be as much on the EU/IMF payroll as their predecessors were on the on the payroll of the banks and financial services sector. And so the money merry-go-round of corruption continues.

As in all democracies, the Irish people have elected the government they deserve. While His Grace is grateful that they have re-adopted Gaddafi Adams, he genuinely feels quite sorry for them. Politicians seem to win elections by promising heaven on earth, and when, a decade later, the electorate realises that they are still in purgatory, another swathe of disaffected voters views the democratic process with cynicism and disdain, declaring a plague on all their houses. This leads to voter apathy and alienation, a deterioration in democratic participation and a declining turnout in elections, especially among the young.

If our democratic leaders do not wake up soon to the inevitable consequences of this, then Tripoli and Cairo will come to Dublin, Lisbon and London, just as it has already come to Athens. You can’t buck the people.

52 Comments:

Anonymous bluedog said...

Your Grace

Your communicant is flummoxed.

You start on one tack claiming that the Irish people and their government are powerless. Then there's a wind shift and you say 'You can’t buck the people'.

Neither can a parliament bind its successors.

So the scene is set for a grand denouement, and the EU seriously misunderestimates the Irish if it thinks otherwise.

We share a revulsion of G Adams. But it is tempting to wonder how the Provos will deal with President van Rompuy if they don't get what they want.

27 February 2011 at 11:05  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

YG I am astounded, what an absolutely forthright piece with no beating around the bush.

What is more worrying is that a Tripoli, Cairo or Athens is what the IMF desire followed by UN intervention.

27 February 2011 at 11:10  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm-q8F4t74g

Save Ireland!

I am not well up on matters of Economies but I here freezing out foreign bondholders is the way forward.

27 February 2011 at 11:45  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Genesis 25:29-34

It must be available in Ireland. They have no option now their economy is integrated into the EU and will be forced to raise Corporation Tax to EU harmonised levels when the March Meeting of ECOFIN takes place to organise tax and spending "harmonisation"

27 February 2011 at 12:04  
Blogger James Reade said...

Wasting my time on here most likely, but those interested in just how one-sided and without balance these statements are, I wrote a little response:

http://jesuswasnotarightwinger.blogspot.com/2011/02/why-does-being-right-winger-christian.html

Even if Ireland were out of the EU, it wouldn't have the kind of freedom to act as it wanted to that "His Grace" seems to argue, because it is a small open economy, and because it chose to bail out its banks (as many other non-EU and non-euro countries did in the crisis).

It's never quite as simple as Euro-sceptics try to make out.

But as many have said, why let the truth get in the way of a good story?

27 February 2011 at 12:50  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

27 February 2011 at 12:51  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

We share a revulsion of G Adams. But it is tempting to wonder how the Provos will deal with President van Rompuy if they don't get what they want.

27 February 2011 11:05

I am not tempted, because I know what they will do in defense of the interests of the Irish people.

Absolutely nothing, so no change there.

The IRA only know how to run criminal scams using the threat of murder or physical intimidation. They can only even do that, while the establishment are secretly supporting them. The problem for the IRA is that International Islamic terrorism has replaced them in the hearts of the establishment, and so have become surplus to the establishments dodgy requirements.

The IRA made plenty of cash for certain highly criminal elements, but achieved less then zero for their enemies, and far less then even that for their supporters.

Please understand that the people do not have any power whatsoever once it is given up to a organization or group of so called leaders.

Indeed a leader can be more against your own interests then your perceived enemy.

For example your own general is far more likely to get you killed then the enemies general, especially if you decided that you had finally had enough, and wanted to go home.

27 February 2011 at 12:52  
Anonymous Dreadnaught said...

I'm puzzled to wonder just what sort of masochist actually wants political powerin a castrated country burdoned with so much debt.

Gerry(mandering) Adams perhaps? but then again maybe not, he is more of a blood soaked sadist than a masochist.

27 February 2011 at 13:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The EU made the following statement yesterday

"It's an agreement between the EU and the Republic of Ireland, it's not an agreement between an institution and a particular government...the more the Irish make a big deal about renegotiation in public, the more attitudes will harden".

"It is not even take it or leave it. It's done. Ireland's only role in this now is to implement the programme agreed with the EU, IMF and European Central Bank. Irish voters are not a party in this process, whatever they have been told,"

Like him or loathe him, Nigel Farage made a very pertinent point last year to the EU, which interestingly is being evidenced in various parts of the world now

"If you rob people of their identity, if you rob people of their democracy, all they are left with is nationalism and violence."

I suspect the EU is attempting this ‘hard-line’ because they are somewhat concerned that the Irish people may decide to repeat what they did to Britain in the last century.

Should this happen, not only will Ireland be supported by the vast majority of the European countries electorate; it will also be only a matter of time before other countries follow their lead and their ‘house of cards’ will fall.

27 February 2011 at 13:03  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

An interesting perspective on things by John Pilger:-

Behind the Arab revolt is a word we dare not speak

27 February 2011 12:51

Interesting, yes, but also incredibly miss-leading as usual (see above)

Pilger still sees all issues in terms of black and white, in other words through the eyes of the political ideologies of left v right.

You might have to take my word on this, but the people who Pilger talks are both right and left, as Fascism is both right and left.

Fascism is what comes out of the middle, because Fascism runs the right, left, and middle.

Blaming America or Americans for the way the world has long since been, is either being stupid, or just plain dishonest.

Imperialism did not start in Northern America, and it does not exist wholly or even mainly reside in this place either.

Imperialism is a middle-eastern invention which spread to Europe, (Rome) and has largely stayed their ever since.

The American and British people are as much victims of Imperialism as those of any other part of the world.

Anything that takes power away for an individual, and replaces it with a doctrine of self-sacrifice, ( ie socialism, or nationalism, and especially national socialism) is an Imperialist act.

A nation is less imperialist then a world government. A national government is more Imperialist then a local government. A local council is more imperialist then a parish council. A parish council is more imperialist then a family. A family is more imperialist then an individual running his/her own life.

Therefore the apparent benefits of Imperialism are measured in degrees of same.

27 February 2011 at 13:17  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr James Reade,

His Grace is probably wasting his time talking to you, he knows. But he has said time and again that Jesus wasn't a 'right-winger'. In fact, if you bothered to delve beneath the most superficial reading and cursory glance, you would find it a consistent theme of this blog.

And it isn't even remotely alluded to in this post, which rather calls into question the motives of your interjection.

But your profile says:

"I'm highly tired of Christians from a right-wing persuasion trying to convince me that I'm heretical for being on the left of the spectrum and this blog is my attempt to set out why it is Biblically consistent to be left-of-centre (ever so slightly)."

Perhaps you might look in the mirror. For by confining Jesus to your 'left of spectrum' worldview you create an idol; indeed, you worship another Jesus. He is God, for Christ's sake, quite above puerile notions of left and right or europhile or eurosceptic. So before you condesecend to visit His Grace's blog and pontificate about how sick and tired you are of being vilified, perhaps you might consider that the reason is not your politics but your arrogance.

But why let reason, spritual maturity and Christian humility get in the way of your prostitutional self-promotion upon His Grace's blog?

27 February 2011 at 13:27  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Anonymous (13:03)—‛If you rob people of their identity, if you rob people of their democracy, all they are left with is nationalism and violence.’

A video of that Nigel Farage speech is here. Highly recommended.

27 February 2011 at 14:50  
Anonymous Asian Colonial Subject said...

@His Grace

Epic reply!!!

27 February 2011 at 15:04  
Anonymous not a machine said...

At first I thought your grace had been engulfed by pesssimism , being as I dont claim to know why the Irish have voted for a lead life jacket disguised as a new future , but they have . The new goverment is going to have to make the cuts that the previous one did not , and perhaps then it will become apparent what EU beauracy was up to .
For those of us that can see the many problems with the unnacountable super beauracy , the disires to exit the EU may be strong , but we shall have to wait until the next elections and ensure that we get a better deal (which in my view means a greatly slimmed down construction with sovereign countries agreeing on what to update) .The gushes of buying votes via grants has had some disastrous ecnomic imbalances leading to some countries being slipped into a fiscal straight jacket .
I very much doubt that when the Irish were enjoying the tiger they ever were allowed to check the bill, from boom to bag man to loss adjuster , should perhaps be the EU motto.

27 February 2011 at 15:53  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

Your Grace

The simple act of deleting that John Pilger link has set a disturbance in the Force that will turn your entire fascist outlook upside down.

I am now summoning every particle of the Force against your evil ideology. May The Force be With Us.

27 February 2011 at 16:08  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Jared Gates,

Summon what you want.

It was completely irrelevant to the present discourse.

If you find His Grace 'fascist', please feel free to rejoin whichever church you have most recently found most conducive to whatever your latest worldview may be.

27 February 2011 at 16:14  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

Only partially related but there was a story in the Guardian about mainstream political parties in the UK losing touch with public opinion.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/feb/27/support-poll-support-far-right

27 February 2011 at 16:34  
Blogger English Pensioner said...

I don't think that the EU will ever get its money back.
Whenever work has been short in the past in Ireland, large numbers of able-bodied citizens have emigrated and with the current unemployment situation likely to get worse and no money to pay the dole, this is likely to happen again. Whilst they are free to look for work in the EU, I suspect many will go further afield, and bearing in mind that most Irish have relatives in most English speaking countries, I am sure strings are already being pulled to get the necessary work permits. Ireland could be left with an ageing population and no hope of paying any dbts.

27 February 2011 at 16:38  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

English OAP said 27 February 2011 16:38

"I don't think that the EU will ever get its money back."

As one of our nation's literary genius's said, through one of his characters, "are there no prisons? are there no workhouses?" is what EU are more than likely to retort, old chap.

" I am sure strings are already being pulled to get the necessary work permits."

Are they necessary if they ALL decide to visit here permanently!

Hope IDS is paying attention?

Ernst

27 February 2011 at 17:40  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

"Ireland could be left with an ageing population and no hope of paying any dbts."

A quirk in the bankruptcy laws might remove a lot of debt from the individuals anyway. It takes about 10 years to clear a bankruptcy brought in Irish courts but if the debtor moves to England for 6 months or so then he can declare bankruptcy over here and wipe out the debt over there after about a year. Not great for the Irish banks, I guess. I guess there might be lots more people with Irish accents looking for work in the UK soon.

27 February 2011 at 18:36  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

It will be very interesting to observe developments should the IRA (in whichever of its splinter groups) decides that the eu is now the yoke of imperialist agression....replacing the UK as the hated agressor figure and crusher of the free people of Ireland.

As his Grace correctly observes, they are no no longer free, and the change of government changes nothing.

However should bombs start going off variously in Brussels and Strasborg, then we see that the Irish militias have decided to bomb their way to getting the debts removed.

This is something which the eu hasn't yet had to cope with. A malign bureaucracy up against an armed terrorist organization which won't gives up no matter how many decades it takes.

Actually, it sounds rather a novel notion. In a weird way I rather wish them well. Certainly the UK isn;t likely to get anywhere by the various softly softly approaches tried unsussessfuly by various UK governments over the years. All of these have been laughed at, scoffed, brushed off, neutered or ignored....just the same as Mr Cameron's pleas will get nowhere over time.

It's good clean fun speculating on possible futures, since that's called science fiction. In one such fiction we might see a new organization appear over time styling itself something along the lines of The English Monarchist Army, and that Nigel Farage is arrested, tried by the eu and condemnned to death for being the political wing of the EMA. The following year, the european parliament is blown up

Well, almost certainly none of that's about to happen. But maybe, just maybe, the eu ought to take a long hard look at Libya? Perhaps there are limits after all to what people who thought that they lived in a democracy will put up with when they discover, belatedly, that their freedom has been sold down the river by their own governments

27 February 2011 at 18:45  
Anonymous srizals said...

I agree Old Grumpy, especially with your assertion about the UK being the hated agressor figure and crusher of the free people of Ireland. (Ireland was not the only one.)

27 February 2011 at 18:57  
Anonymous Oswin said...

One is constantly reminded of the difficulty of attempting to 'second-guess' the future.

Recent events in the middle-east demonstrate that we are all, as with our weather too, in a period of great flux.

I'm not sure Your Grace is wholly correct in asserting that ''you can't buck the people'' but certainly one cannot 'buck change'... perhaps though, it is all one and the same?

27 February 2011 at 19:10  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Srizals ... Good God Almighty, are you now going to bang-on about the history of Ireland too?!?!?

As you appear to have little or no understanding of your own religion, I would suggest you leave the 'Irish question' well alone. If only for your own sanity!

27 February 2011 at 19:14  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Mr Oswin (19:14) is right, srizals. The Irish Question maddens all those who tackle it. A nineteenth century prime minister, Gladstone, is a case in point:

He spent his declining years trying to guess the answer to the Irish Question; unfortunately, whenever he was getting warm, the Irish secretly changed the Question, so that as he grew older and older Gladstone became angrier and angrier, and grander and grander, and was ultimately awarded the affectionate title of ‘the G.P.O.’—1066 and All That

27 February 2011 at 19:27  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

"I'm not sure Your Grace is wholly correct in asserting that ''you can't buck the people'' but certainly one cannot 'buck change'... perhaps though, it is all one and the same?"

Oh crikey, I thought that was a typo earlier. It makes sense now! :)

27 February 2011 at 19:39  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Your Grace

Old Grumpy raises some particularly interesting points.

One recalls the comments of recent communicant 'Steve', a West Countryman and old comrade of the Royal Marines. Steve declared that the Fyrd was ready. Being heir to a different tradition and purporting to be British, your communicant had to scramble to find out what the Fyrd was and did. It turns out to be an Anglo-Saxon form of Home Guard or militia.

It is relatively easy to imagine football club supporters becoming a de facto militia or Fyrd. Maybe we will see organisational structures of this type arise.

27 February 2011 at 19:52  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Only partially related but there was a story in the Guardian about mainstream political parties in the UK losing touch with public opinion.

Must be true now you've read it in The Guardian. Fortunately they print the day and date on each edition so you know when you wake up.

Do you experience any objective reality ?

27 February 2011 at 20:06  
Anonymous non mouse said...

These tedious days of vote counting will now be followed by further days of backroom deals and coalition forming: Ireland is familiar with the process. It looks as though Fine Gael will govern with Labour, whose vote has also increased significantly

Coalition. What a(nother) coincidence. Such a pro-eu arrangement; how'd that happen?




P.S: Is the guy in the picture related to DC? Or are they just from the same spin stable? Same sort of fat face, cold eyes; not quite the same mouth (except for the 'airbrush') but....

27 February 2011 at 20:24  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

Voyager, it was just a link to an article today in a national newspaper which might be of interest to some people here. What on earth are you on about now? I think I preferred it when you just googled keywords and pasted the resulting blocks of text. It made as little sense as that but at least it was entertaining.

27 February 2011 at 20:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

“If our democratic leaders do not wake up soon to the inevitable consequences of this, then Tripoli and Cairo will come to Dublin, Lisbon and London, just as it has already come to Athens.”

I pray I live long enough to see the day when the traitors that have betrayed our countries will be rounded up and dealt with.

27 February 2011 at 21:22  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Your Grace

I know I digress (ever so slightly) in Mr Reade own words, but in the Anglican Mainstream article you tweet about;

"The English have never taken kindly to being told by bossy people what to believe and what to call themselves. And only some fringe hardliners in the Church of England have ever claimed that religious affiliation is what qualifies you to be a Christian – the great Archbishop William Temple is credited with saying that the C of E exists principally for the benefit of its non-members."

Maybe Mr Reade should consider its comments and think again (ever so slightly).

That Mr Reade believes the Almighty is like us (Left, Centre or Right persuasion) fills me with abject horror?

It made old Ernst chuckle.

E S Blofeld

Ps

Please feel free to now delete. I will not blame Johnny!

27 February 2011 at 21:46  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Gladstone's 'Irish Question' concerned the relationship between the island of Ireland and mainland Britain. It has very little, if anything, to do with the condition of the modern Republic, which did not exist in Gladstone's time, and whose subsequent coming onto being has changed the picture competely.

Where there may be some sort of indirect link is in the internecine struggles which have plagued that country since its independence from Britain, and which continue to demarcate the party loyalties that have traditionally existed there.

However, those loyalties have now ceased to have very much meaning, as the Irish find themselves voting for nothing more than a puppet, sham government. Their hard-won independence has evaporated, and they voted for it to do so (when they managed to give the 'right' answer in their second referendum). They sold their birthright for a mess of euros.

They have no democratic power.

Cranny's closing words are true and need to be taken very seriously: 'If our democratic leaders do not wake up soon to the inevitable consequences of this, then Tripoli and Cairo will come to Dublin, Lisbon and London, just as it has already come to Athens. You can’t buck the people.'

27 February 2011 at 21:55  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How long will we remain prisoners of the past?

How long will we fear stepping into the future?

Is Dictatorship - of whatever form - religious, communist, socialist, fascist - inevitable?

Who knows.

For now all we can do is our best and repectfully live with our different world views. The world is a small village - fact. The problems we face as a species demand global solutions - fact. Going it alone as an 'independent' 'sovereign'
'nation' doesn't make much sense. USA, Russia, China are all 'federations' of one form or another. Collective action restricts individual action. Yes. Tribes have more freedom than citizens of nations.

Is the price worth the reward?

Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Anglo-Saxon, Celt, Pict, Norse, Norman. We've all sinned against one another. Lets stop banging on about it.

Let's lay our 'arms' down open our 'arms'.

The past is the past - and that means for Gerry Adams too. Would hanging him achieve peace in our time? Did Nuremberg end genocide?

27 February 2011 at 22:52  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

@ Anabaptist (22:52)

"However, those loyalties have now ceased to have very much meaning, as the Irish find themselves voting for nothing more than a puppet, sham government. Their hard-won independence has evaporated, and they voted for it to do so (when they managed to give the 'right' answer in their second referendum). They sold their birthright for a mess of euros."

The Irish find themselves locked in the EU Asylum, within a high security cell. They can choose the food they eat from a defined menu but are unable to either remove the straitjacket or find a way to exit the building.

The grass always looks greener..., does it not!

"They have no democratic power."

"Quod Erat Demonstrandum" INDEED!

Ernst

27 February 2011 at 23:15  
Anonymous not a machine said...

anon 22.52
did liberalism end lawlessness?

27 February 2011 at 23:16  
Blogger Manfarang said...

The Republic of Ireland was once part of the sterling area,after it joined the common market it did quiet well so there is not the same anti-EU sentiment that exists in England (which is fueled by racism).
Membership of the IRA is an offence in the Republic.A number of people are in jail because of their links to the Real and Continuity IRA.

28 February 2011 at 02:30  
Anonymous tony b said...

"Politicians seem to win elections by promising heaven on earth, and when, a decade later, the electorate realises that they are still in purgatory, another swathe of disaffected voters views the democratic process with cynicism and disdain, declaring a plague on all their houses. This leads to voter apathy and alienation, a deterioration in democratic participation and a declining turnout in elections, especially among the young.

If our democratic leaders do not wake up soon to the inevitable consequences of this, then Tripoli and Cairo will come to Dublin, Lisbon and London, just as it has already come to Athens. You can’t buck the people."

Absolutely spot on, YG. Rarely have I agreed with you more.

28 February 2011 at 07:11  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Manfarang

I bow to your personal knowledge of The Republic of Ireland, however your assertion that anti-EU sentiment in the UK is fueled by racism is nonsense, fueled by ignorance.

The people of the UK's anti-EU sentiment is based on the fact that none of our main stream pro EU political parties (which is all of them) have ever bothered to make the slightest effort to successfully or otherwise explain the benefits of membership of the EU to the UK's population.

Maybe because there are none, or not at least any to the ordinary people as a whole?

However I believe their is also a much more subtle and incredibly cleaver reason why they have not as yet bothered.

The biggest lie of all concerning the EU, is that far from being a continental European invention, it is a BRITISH one. It is largely the BRITISH establishment that set it up, and have been pulling its strings ever since from the other side of the English Channel in The City of London.

Yes, you read that correctly, so therefore carefully note where you read it first.

It has long since been a fact, that to successfully subvert an institution of country, it is best done from the outside. Even better if it is done from a place or source that appears to be in opposition to, or disinterested in the country or institution involved.

The largely British establishment have been secretly manipulating The USA, using their control over banking and finance as well as many other methods, for now well over 200 years.

Money, does indeed make the world go around, or certainly the control of how and where money go's around the world, metaphorically does.

This is the REAL reason why this the UK up to this day is still not officially using the EURO.

It is simply to give the illusion that somehow the British Establishment is a reluctant bedfellow of the European one. When the TRUTH is, when the lights are out they are making mad passionate love to each other on a daily basis.

The people of Europe have been conned, no less The Irish. Who have allowed their innate, and well justified hatred, and distrust of the British Establishment to allow same to lead their country right up the garden path and back again.

In future.

Try your best to beware any WOLVES, especially when they are quite clearly wearing sheep's clothing.

For the establishment are cleaver, very cleaver. They did not get where they are today be telling the truth, or by becoming victim to any amount of impatience.

28 February 2011 at 07:13  
Anonymous Tacitus said...

Such a shame Labour and Sinn Fein didn't do better. Still they will be a powerful force in the new dail

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28 February 2011 at 07:27  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

To aid clarity it is most important to understand what The British Establishment actually is.

Firstly it is not originally British at all, it is Austrian. Secondly it long since gained its power through the control of the banking system using finance from mainly the Vatican, Dutch, and British Empires.

But has now added to its long list of 'investors' every crown head of state in the world, including the Saudi Royal family, and that of the all other Arab countries that have one. Which have in turn subverted the rest of the Muslim world including places such as Iran and Turkey.

The establishment is therefore so absolutely powerful that it does not need to do much in a hurry.

It can and does make very long plans, that are enacted so slowly that most no longer have the wits, knowledge, or imagination to notice them moving at all.

28 February 2011 at 07:37  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

English Pensioner makes a sound observation:

'Whilst they are free to look for work in the EU, I suspect many will go further afield, and bearing in mind that most Irish have relatives in most English speaking countries,...'

The EU has the free movemnet of labour directive. This works for the continentals but not so much for English-speaking workers.

The Irish are much more likely to look for work in English-speaking countries. So what good is the free movemment of labour directive to them or for that matter to us?

In short, the EU works for the Franco-Gremanic alliance but not for us.

28 February 2011 at 07:50  
Blogger Windsor Tripehound said...

@Atlas shrugged

All you've left out are The Illuminati and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

Spare us, please.

28 February 2011 at 08:12  
Anonymous Voyager said...

the EU works for the Franco-Gremanic alliance

There is NO Franco-German axis. It only existed so long as Germany was run by Catholics like Kohl but Protestants like Merkel and Schroeder do not subscribe and so France has increasingly lost control of Germany which was the sole purpose of French foreign policy in Europe

28 February 2011 at 12:43  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Atlas shrugged
"The people of the UK's anti-EU sentiment is based on the fact that none of our main stream pro EU political parties (which is all of them) have ever bothered to make the slightest effort to successfully or otherwise explain the benefits of membership of the EU to the UK's population."

In fact there was a referendum in 1975 when the issues were debated and people voted yes.

28 February 2011 at 15:42  
Anonymous non mouse said...

That referendum was about a Common Market, Manfarang. It did not state that Britain would lose soveriegnty to the euSSR.

Perhaps you are not British; Americans, for example, often make this mistake.

28 February 2011 at 17:08  
Anonymous non mouse said...

regret typos above.

28 February 2011 at 17:09  
Anonymous Oswin said...

DanJo @ 19:39 :

Alas, the supposed 'typo' is almost always what happens to 'the people' :o(

28 February 2011 at 17:17  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Old Grumpy @ 18:57 & bluedog @ 19:52 :

Interesting musings indeed; and not, I believe, wholly fanciful.

28 February 2011 at 17:53  
Blogger Manfarang said...

non mouse
At the time many Tories said referenda were not part of the British constitution.
Other Tories said the USSR wanted a no vote so people should vote yes.
The left led by Tony Benn said vote no so British industry could be nationalised.Membership of the EEC would prevent this.
The question-
"Do you think the UK should stay in the European Community?"

It didn't say common market.

1 March 2011 at 03:50  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Mr Manfarang, at the time of the 1975 referendum, I submit that 99.9% of the British electorate would have been completely unable to distinguish between the the Common Market and the European Community. If you had asked the man on the Clapham omnibus to explain the difference there would have been a confused silence.

Nobody entertained the thought that continued membership of the Common Market would lead the UK to become a vassal state of of a supra-national European empire. If a question had been put in those terms it would have been defeated, decisively. Of course, we now know that this is precisely what Ted Heath the Tory Traitor wanted.

Ken Clarke is heir to Ted.

1 March 2011 at 06:24  
Blogger Manfarang said...

The Treaty of Rome was not just a free trade agreement.
Among the institutions set was the European Parliament and it was clear what the EEC was about. That it was political as well as economic.
I did ask Ian Gow during the campaign (he was part of the Yes campaign as was Margaret Thatcher)
what he thought about direct elections to the European Parliament. He gave an evasive answer saying it might happen in the distant future.
Direct elections took place in 1979.It was clear at the time the EEC was a supra-national organisation.

2 March 2011 at 03:15  

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