Friday, February 11, 2011

Mehdi Hasan throws his toys out of the pram

Further to His Grace's post this morning on 'The ignorance, immaturity and hypocrisy of Mehdi Hasan', Mr Hasan has been spitting, frothing and fulminating all day, like a grounded teenager. And now he has thrown all of his toys out of the pram with this feeble ad hominem self-defence.

One wonders why the Editor and Proprietor of the New Statesman do not see this is an abuse of work equipment.

That aside, accordng to Mehdi Hasan, His Grace is an 'oddball right-wing blogger' with an 'inability to understand simple English'.

Intelligent comment, eh?

But he lays down this with his customary arrogance:
I pointed out that it was ridiculous for Douglas Murray to pretend (a) that multiculturalism is responsible for forced marriages, and (b) that I've yet to come across a single politician, community leader or religious spokesman who defends forced marriages or excuses them on the basis of "multiculturalism". It is just ridiculous and dishonest to make such a claim.
Note the 'I have yet to come across...' is followed swiftly with the absolute rejection '..ridiculous and dishonest...'. Seemingly, because he has yet to discover anyone who draws the correlation, it cannot exist.

Well, Mr Hasan, you have clearly not come across the Times report from December 2009 (hence freely available all over the internet), in which the highly respected campaigner Jasvinder Sanghera writes on the issue of forced marriage and a tragic 'honour killing':
While it is too late for Tulay Goren, I hope that the story of her
appalling and avoidable death will finally wake us up to the abuse taking
place in our midst and that we will stop trying to excuse forced marriage
as just a price to pay for multicultural diversity.
The whole article gives the lie to Mehdi Hasan's crass assertion that there are no (Asian) 'community leaders' who draw a correlation between forced/assisted marriages and multiculturalism.

This BBC report aptly illustrates the problems of multiculturalism that Jasvinder Sanghera talks about.

One wonders if Mehdi Hasan will apologise? Retract? Correct his blantantly erroneous assertion?

Or if he really is such an immature teenager that he'll just storm upstairs and slam his bedroom door firmly shut.

44 Comments:

Blogger john in cheshire said...

Is Mr Hasan on work experience or does he just fill a minority ethnic quota requirement?

11 February 2011 at 17:48  
Anonymous Jon said...

But Hasan asks for an example of someone who defends or excuses forced marriage. Jasvinder Sanghera clearly does neither.

11 February 2011 at 17:51  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Jon,

For anyone who knows about these things, in many cases 'assisted' marriage has become a euphemism for 'forced'. Of course, few will defend 'force', but when 'assistance' amounts to compulsion, it is 'forced'. He is in denial.

11 February 2011 at 17:57  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

Your Grace

I am not completely unsympathetic to your argument about multiculturalism and forced marriage in the UK. However, I will freely admit my own lacking in understanding about how it all fits together.

Forced marriage takes place in many places in the world and is a real part of many cultures. I can understand that in the UK we have laws that protect people from being forced into wedlock. I can understand that we have seen a huge explosion of different cultures arriving and establishing themselves within the UK during the reign of the last government administration, and that much of it seems to have been the result of 'forced', or engineered social manipulation.

So it would be very easy to form a logical theory that 'state multiculturalism' does indeed have a direct correlation with forced marriage within the UK's multicultural society.

His Grace would do well here to define 'State Multiculturalism' and to explain the correlation between it and the seemingly wide loophole it provides for UK citizens to be forced into marrying people they do not wish to.

No?

11 February 2011 at 18:06  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

"Mr Hasan has been spitting, frothing and fulminating all day"

Should have been quarantined before they let him in.

11 February 2011 at 18:07  
Anonymous LibertyPhile said...

Mr Hasan is a fanatic. You won’t get reason or recognition of facts contradicting his view from him.

As reported by your Grace:

“He goes on to a mouth-foaming rant about the trials and tribulations of Muslims and refers to specific cases. This continues for the remainder of the sermon – a further 20 minutes of fanatical hyperbole. He whips his audience up into an emotional frenzy – the whole room is crying or moaning”

http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/2009/09/but-things-which-come-out-of-mouth-come.html

11 February 2011 at 18:31  
Anonymous Oswin said...

If only he'd do us all a favour and suck his thumb...

11 February 2011 at 18:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While I disagree with your views I can respect them and your right to say them. However your judgements on Mr Hasan have clearly been clouded by the fact you disagree with him. At no stage on question time did he act petulantly or immaturely as you suggested, nor has he in his subsequent blogs or tweets. Further you say he denied the existence of forced marriages, this is simply not the case. If you were to re-watch the programme it would be clear to you that he merely stated the extent to which the occur is exaggerated.

11 February 2011 at 18:40  
Blogger Anoneumouse said...

Who is Mehdi Hasan? is he some kind of prophet

11 February 2011 at 18:48  
Blogger English Viking said...

Bred in the bone,


...'Should have been quarantined before they let him in'

Should never have let him in, though I suspect he is home-grown.

11 February 2011 at 18:58  
Blogger English Viking said...

Your Grace,

...'That aside, accordng to Mehdi Hasan, His Grace is an 'oddball right-wing blogger' with an 'inability to understand simple English'...

Your English is excellent.

It is, however, an outrageous slur, a downright lie and a filthy calumny toward all things right-wing to consider you one of their ranks.

BTW Who is he? I'd never heard of him. Probably best if it had stayed that way.

11 February 2011 at 19:03  
Anonymous Sam Vega said...

I might be missing something here, but I share Jon's confusion. Hasan twice argues (in the quotes given) that he

"has yet to come across a single politician, community leader, or religious spokesman who defends forced marriages or excuses them on the basis of 'multiculturalism'".

But Jasvinder Sanghera's article does not defend forced marriage (quite the contrary) nor does it give an example of the type of leader doing the type of thing that Hasan specifies in his challenge.

I'm not siding with him, far from it - just asking for clarification.

11 February 2011 at 19:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SReDcW0fokE&feature=player_embedded

Steve

11 February 2011 at 19:36  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Thanks for that laugh, Bred in the Bone!

What monumental nerve - someone with a name like that telling His Grace how to speak English!!! The irony is superb. It also shows hasann to be among those who deny a fact: that Christianity and English are intertwined.

And just look at the result when he tries to unravel the two - what graceless, arrogant, ignorant, authoritarian language this foreigner employs. We could be forgiven for thinking him an officer in some army of occupation...

11 February 2011 at 19:48  
Blogger Sam Vega said...

Non mouse: why do you consider Mehdi Hasan to be a foreigner? I have no time for his views, but I believe that he was born in this country.

11 February 2011 at 19:57  
Anonymous non mouse said...

He's not an indigene.

11 February 2011 at 19:58  
Blogger Span Ows said...

Assisted marriage aside, Sam Vega and Jon, perhaps we should ask how many 'within the clan' have been outspoken in their non-defence of forced marriage? How many in fact have said nothing what-so-ever about it when the evidence is clear that it goes on all the time and in some cases leads to death? It's all very well not defending it but sometimes being a little proactive can help your stance...in this issue there seems to be NO internal outcry. Guilty by ommission? I think so.

11 February 2011 at 20:07  
Anonymous Sam Vega said...

Non mouse.

What are the criteria for qualifying as an indigene? Are "non-indigenous" and "foreign" the same concept?

11 February 2011 at 20:54  
Anonymous Sam Vega said...

Span Ows.

I might very well agree with you, but with respect this was not my point. Like Jon, I could not see from the text given in the article how Hasan's challenge had been answered by Jasvinder Sanghera's article.

11 February 2011 at 21:02  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Oh, we've been into the indigenous thing here many a time, Mr. Vega.
If you don't know what a British indigene is you can read up on it -here and elsewhere.

As to foreign - any good English dictionary provides the etymology. You should be able to link the concepts for yourself, if your mind is open enough.

11 February 2011 at 21:50  
Blogger English Viking said...

Sam Vega,

It's really simple; it is not possible to be non-white and either Irish, Scottish, Welsh else English, in the racial sense.

It is possible to obtain a passport from almost any country, regardless of the country you originate (aboriginate) from, though.

If you find my view offensive - I don't care.

If you find my view confusing - how many Black Japanese have you met?

I know, I know. It's because the Nips are racist, innit?

11 February 2011 at 22:22  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

It's annoying Islamic tykes like Mehdi Hasan that make people 'Islamophobic' although that is a word I hate to recognise because it's a left wing creation.

Islam is not compatible with our values and traditions and I often wonder why a lot of these people come here when clearly they hate us and want to change us to suit their way of life. It really is simple, come here and adapt to our ways or stay away! If we had any leaders with any bottle, that is what they would decree. I don't believe Cameron is one of those leaders, he's just another Blair, all talk.

11 February 2011 at 22:42  
Anonymous Sam Vega said...

English Viking

I see - a racial definition, based on phenotype. I understand now - but I don't know why you believe I might find your views either offensive or confusing. I was seeking clarification, rather than controversy!

11 February 2011 at 23:24  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

English Viking said... "innit?"

English Viking I find it deeply offensive and degrading to our dignity by using such terminology.

I never knew what offended meant until the foreigners came here.

I understand YG has given you fair warning if you wish to visit his blog!

11 February 2011 at 23:36  
Blogger English Viking said...

Bitb

Eh?

You know I was being provocative (I have a tendency for this kind of behavior, right?) don't you?

If you don't, get lost.

If His Grace wishes my departure, that is one thing. If you do, you might as well whistle in the wind.

And all that, after I had been nice to you!

Once bitten, twice shy.

12 February 2011 at 00:01  
Blogger English Viking said...

Sam Vega,

Phenotype.

Ooh. You're way too clever for me.

Not.

You could start a rant about 'artificial constructs' (If you wish, but I will rip you a new one, or if you prefer, 'deconstruct you argument').

Then again, you could stick to the facts.

How many Black Japanese do you know?

12 February 2011 at 00:10  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

"I had been nice to you!"

Oh okay then sorry, please forgive me, our culture never used to get on that offended bandwagon at one time, because we knew respect and therefore we found no reason for it.

Next time I see you on the bus you can have my seat.

12 February 2011 at 01:28  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Hasan is a political editor at the Staggers. He hurls the term right wing around like it's an insult. He also comes across like a professional player of racial whist - his one card hand (the ace of islamophobia)absolutely trumps everyone else's - or so he appears to believe.

All this adds up to a hubristic twerp with an oversized sense of his own self-importance. With sterling qualities like this why isn't he a Member of Parliament?

12 February 2011 at 07:50  
Blogger Alan Douglas said...

Methinks Hassan has been too long immersed in the Brown substance that Blair glitz haters longer for, until they got it ....

Alan Douglas

12 February 2011 at 09:01  
Anonymous Les Vegas said...

Gnostic, I believe the favoured game of the Staggers crowd is not rascist whist, but Victimhood Poker. The deck and rules are described here: http://dicklist.blogspot.com/2006/07/tdl-gaming-world-series-of-victimhood.html

12 February 2011 at 10:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They don’t like it up ‘em do they? Well done, your Grace.

He is doing what he is commanded to do – LIE to the ‘unbelievers’.

12 February 2011 at 11:40  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Les Vegas - I believe you have a point. Victimhood Poker it is. :0)

12 February 2011 at 12:37  
Anonymous Oswin said...

English Viking/Bred in he bone :

When I'm manning the barricades alongside you pair 'being nice to each other', should I have cause for worry?

12 February 2011 at 18:08  
Anonymous Gordo said...

Five years from now maximum


"When I'm manning the barricades"

12 February 2011 at 18:49  
Blogger Pierre_Picaud said...

"Honour Killing" is a ridiculous and oxymoronic neologism.

"Pride Murder" is far more accurate a term.

12 February 2011 at 19:12  
Anonymous Ian of the Midlands said...

It is merely an observation, but as the stigma of questioning the PC dogma surrounding multi culturalism falls away in the UK, the fanatical left wing become more aggressive & repulsive.

Excellent, the more their veneer of velvet fascism falls away to show the true despotic nature of their totalitarian beliefs, the more the silent majority of British people will wake up to them & act.

Well done, your Grace.

WV: fails - how apt for Mehdi

12 February 2011 at 19:13  
Anonymous Ian of the Midlands said...

Slight return,

Mehdi's desperation, inspite of his British birth, seems to stem from some exasperation that the indigenous peoples of Britain are somehow not assimilating fast enough to his cultural worldview.

Makes one wonder what is so wrong with the obvious historically tolerant nature of the host British culture in Mehdi's blink of an eye sixth form world.

Myopic, intolerant & deeply troubled - Senior Political Editor.....really?

12 February 2011 at 19:41  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hasan is typical of the overeducated simpleton. He's the product of oxbridge but lacks the intellect to realize he's a bit dim.
Hence the manner of his work.

One should feel sorry for him, not hate him.

12 February 2011 at 20:49  
Anonymous Michael St George, A Libertarian Rebel said...

I come as a late communicant to Your Grace’s forum on this topic, but as a viewer of the QT two nights ago, I find myself in complete agreement with Your Grace’s comments on the egregious Mr Hasan.

I found his arguments, even on the rare occasions when they did not involve an initial basely inaccurate misrepresentation of Douglas Murray’s contribution, biased and implausible, and intellectually illogical, even on their own terms.

Compounding this was a truculence and hostility which appeared to be born out of anger and disbelief that anyone could be so misguided and evil as to hold opinions different from the universal received wisdom prevalent in his milieu.

As Your Grace will undoubtedly be aware, the post-programme Twitter traffic was characterised not only by sheer foaming-at-the-mouth vitriol at Douglas Murray’s opinions, obviously emanating from fellow-adherents to the same cultural religiosity as Mr Hasan, but also so self-deceiving as to believe that Mr Hasan had enjoyed the better of the exchanges. This was carrying self-delusion to incredible lengths, for in the view of Your Grace’s communicant, Hasan was frequently left floundering impotently in the face of Murray’s measured, factual and logical argument.

12 February 2011 at 21:33  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Oswin said...
English Viking/Bred in he bone :

"When I'm manning the barricades alongside you pair 'being nice to each other', should I have cause for worry?"

Don't worry Oswin, if you fall asleep on watch we will send Danjo to give you a poke.

12 February 2011 at 23:53  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Bred in the bone:

The muslims will have already killed all the liberals; it'll just be you, me and the Viking ... don't forget to bring sandwiches!

13 February 2011 at 02:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace, may I suggest you live up to your name and treat Mr Hasan with a bit more grace. So you disagree with him about multi-culturalism, that's fine, but I am disappointed that you engage in such low ad hominem attacks on one of the country's most talented young journalists. Mehdi might be wrong on many matters, but he certainly isn't unpleasant, ignorant or utterly hypocritical.

13 February 2011 at 09:03  
Anonymous Anon 2 said...

His language is unpleasant and ignorant, Anon @09:03. Use of the imperative, to His Grace, is both.

Adherence to the directives of marxist theory? --- Well. I've even heard marxists admit to its hypocrisy, particularly in regard to the ideal of 'liberation.'

Of Islam the little I know is too much. Simply for being (W, F, C, and bright enough), I have been threatened (even insulted, in the fuller sense of the word) by those who were 'colleagues' and those who were strangers. According to the tenets of the creed, that might not be hypocritical; but the place of that creed in our culture is precisely the issue "at stake" (to employ the prevailing diction).

13 February 2011 at 19:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mehdi is a disgrace to fair minded Asian people living in the UK who really wish to see the problems of the Asian community sorted out once and for all. While Asian people like him who are high profile defend and defend and defend some more the ignorances of the Asian community we will get no where.
Fed up Asian women

13 February 2011 at 21:45  

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