Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Niall Ferguson tells it like it is on Egypt and the Muslim Brotherhood



Is it not a cause of great rejoicing that this brilliant Harvard scholar is advising Michael Gove on reforms to the history curriculum? The Guardian, naturally, thinks not. And it is exceedingly unlikely that he will ever be asked back by MSNBC.

28 Comments:

Blogger anglotaff100 said...

Well, that all sounds very well
considered and I would say he is right,especialy the danger to Israel,but the mid east is capable of surprises and prediction.

15 February 2011 at 19:00  
Anonymous LibertyPhile said...

MSNBC (and the White House) 0, Niall Ferguson 6

15 February 2011 at 19:27  
Blogger Dr. Love said...

Absolutely brilliant. Glad someone at Harvard has his thinking cap on.

15 February 2011 at 19:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Brillinat. I just love that man.

15 February 2011 at 19:40  
Blogger Span Ows said...

You have to remember that MSNBC was cringingly bias towards Obama in the election campaign...I mean embarrassingly s, they had no comeback whatsoever, the women host could hardly believe what she was hearing as is reflected in her pathetic attempts to unsettle Niall (great author worth reading btw) by trying to make out all was well.

Have linked

15 February 2011 at 19:41  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Egypt now has martial law under a military dependant on US funds, therefore it is an occupied Country.

Americans should be more concerned about their National Debt at home and less about Arab Nationalism being a threat to Israeli Nationalists.

15 February 2011 at 19:43  
Anonymous Mike Spilligan said...

I am puzzled as to where the UN's Special Middle East Representative (ACL Blair) was during the demonstrations, from Tunisia onwards, and now in continuum. I heard not a word.

15 February 2011 at 19:47  
Blogger Jared Gaites said...

The crux of the matter is simple: Obama is not a neo-conservative - Judeo-christian nut job who looks to the book of Revelation and masturbates about Armageddon.

15 February 2011 at 19:51  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Ferguson doesn’t elaborate on the ‘alleged enemy within’ but I imagine it’s the Coptic Christians he has in mind. If Syria becomes a democracy, what chance for her Christians?

15 February 2011 at 20:02  
Blogger English Viking said...

Jared,

You're right, he's none of those things - he's a muslim.

That's so much better, isn't it?

15 February 2011 at 21:07  
Anonymous Byrnsweord said...

Your Grace: I am indebted to you for posting this. This man is, alongside Peter Hitchens, probably the sole dissenting voice that the mainstream media has tolerated amidst the almost-unanimous jubilation over what is a very dangerous circumstance in Egypt.

15 February 2011 at 22:12  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. Ferguson really says it as is.

Hat off to you Sir.

Loved the tv presenters being completely flabberghasted by his firm yet knowledgeable statements.

Especially liked him reminding them he is a professional historian. What a putdown!

Brilliant.

Many thanks, Your Grace

The Man Who Never Was??

15 February 2011 at 22:24  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Do you trust Obama, or anyone else in high office, to be telling the truth, either as they know it, or not?

When Obama says, or implies that he previously knew nothing about events over the last few weeks in Egypt, do you trust this to be the case?

I for one doubt that knows a whole lot more then his own shoe size. However even if he does, I do not trust him, or any other President, or Prime Minister of any other country, to want to tell, or be allowed to tell the common people the whole, or even half of the truth about anything of any kind of real importance.

If Dark Forces acting within the American Government had been actively seeking to cause the overthrow of The Egyptian President, which IMO is most self-evidently so, why should we expect them to tell us that they were.

After all, these types of things are suppossed to be done in secret. It is not as if we can be expected to keep this sort of thing a secret from the Egyptian people, now is it?

Please think about it people.

Do you really believe everything you are told, just because it may come from someone you rather stupidly believe is on your own side?

Please be reminded; Firstly,the truth is not either left, nor right, the truth is sometimes both, but far more usually simply nowhere to be so easilly found.

Secondly, none of them are on your side, even if they wanted to be, which is highly unlikely in any case.

You do not live in a free country, and it sure as hell does not have either a free, or well informed press.

It is not so much that they are all corrupt, although many more then you could possibly imagine are. It is that they simply do not know any more about the full facts of the matter then either you, or me.

This is why only conspiracy theory backed up by mountains of critical thinking, common sense, and practical experience, can ever have a hope of getting at the real truth. This especially when it comes to anything important on the world or national stage.

History has shown us time, and time again that, that which may have seemed at first sight to have been either an accident, or an unplanned for event, almost always turns out to have been anything but.

As for giving politicians the benefit of any doubt on this matter.

Well we did that with Tony Blair, and look where that got us, and the world. Us, with egg all over our faces, or much worse, and Tony Blair just about everything his black heart ever wanted.

15 February 2011 at 22:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, Ferguson has been leapfrogged by Schama as Gove's school history advisor; with Ferguson, the curriculum would have got a much needed section, never before mentioned on:

'Islamic imperialism from 7th - 21st centuries'.

15 February 2011 at 23:45  
Anonymous philip walling said...

Niall Ferguson is a breath of fresh air in a stale and murky world.
All revolutions lead to instability and suffering and yet not a single voice in this government, or in the Obama shambles has been raised against the overthrow of President Mubarak, or warned about the likelihood (or near certainty) that the Muslim Brotherhood will be in charge of Egypt and the Suez canal this time next year.
Then once they have re-established the Caliphate how and at what price will we get our oil?

Ferguson is right, Hilary Clinton and Obama have been given responsibilities way above their pay grade.

15 February 2011 at 23:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Re-23:45 above.

It was Starkey who leapfrogged Ferguson and Schama to get Gove's history advisor post.

16 February 2011 at 00:57  
Anonymous not a machine said...

I thought the foreign sec had it about right as it really is now upto the people ,assuming the dictatorship countries get the idea of free and fair elections but even then how will they begin to understand why the west is so concerned about warmongering islamic theocracies .There is gap of sorts mainly educational but also mass communications.If they understand "Israel" as meaning a promised landscape ,rather than piece of land .The lies may also get some hold ,but i dont think anyone wants another round of judgement via bodycount only to come to round to table after admitting they were rash and hot headed.
The middle east has some fast moving modernity to handle ,it perhaps will request help when it feels the stumbling blocks (the same ones we have had to go through).
The other potential is of course the economic and infrastructure but no ones going to be keen on that until it cures itself of madness.The poverty for such an area is a shame Egypt had corrupted itself into action ,so it must be obvious the muslim brotherhood offers no change other than a reversal to modern bathists.
the culture may be capitalist but as we have found in the UK it needs the right sort of robust and beyond corruption institutions for the wealth to become dispersed as it should .The police officer they intervied on sky that was paid 450 pounds and had to pay 400 in rent was pretty symbolic of how they cant yet make public services function and the corruptions become a way of life and the poor are created , the west of course has had problems 70s chicago wasnt much fun.
I just hope that they can handle the structures by the time they get to elections and want economies based on peace and trade and tourism which is perhaps a newer thought to them than we might think .

16 February 2011 at 01:20  
Anonymous not a machine said...

philip: I hope you are wrong ,in that I am assume they wont want to replace one form of opression with another .They cant really go back , but as you say some of us are wondering where there non miltarised leaders are ,wheres the intellectual current for a free future with functioning democratic inststutions that work for the country?

16 February 2011 at 01:36  
Blogger Gnostic said...

If you substituted Cameron for Obama during Ferguson's speech no one would have noticed the difference. Our own government's contribution has been so wishy washy and flippy floppy it makes you wonder if they have any sensible opinion at all. As for the bloody BBC, well they think the Muslim Brotherhood are cute and cuddly. Or at least that's what they want us to think.

Anyway, it's good to see someone has a firm grasp of the situation and says it like it is. Why isn't Ferguson advising Cameron instead of idiots like the unlamented former SpAd, Andy Coulson? Actually forget that. Why isn't someone with Ferguson's nous and ballsiness our PM?

16 February 2011 at 08:32  
Blogger Derek said...

Looks like Ferguson is a truth seeker. Truth seekers are the spanner in the works of global politics, abhorred by all who hold and wield power.

The pressure being applied to all that causes frustration, poverty, and anger is increasing. The end game is division, clamp-down, police states, 'jackals', military control and re-emergence of an overwhelming dictatorship in the guise of democracy. Corporations rule.

It's a complex plan, and as such has many holes. So many, that ultimately it falls apart leaving people in the unenvious and delusional position of seeking a new 'leader', when in truth, it is leaders that we do not need. Such is the indoctrination of the centuries we cannot shake off this fear of not being 'led'. Once 'led', one has imposed ones own shackles.

16 February 2011 at 09:42  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Such is the indoctrination of the centuries we cannot shake off this fear of not being 'led'. Once 'led', one has imposed ones own shackles.

Anarchy only works if everyone is compliant and abides by the rules of civil society - yes there will be rules and therefore people to enforce them. This means that someone has to make decisions so there will be leaders. So, what do you do with violent criminals? What do you do if a foreign army invades because there is no one to accept responsibility for defence?

Minarchy, on the other hand, permits some leadership but it is kept to an absolute minimum. It is the lesser of evils.

16 February 2011 at 10:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace

As the clip your attached interested me, I watched the follow up interview that Niall was talking about in his interview.

It can be viewed here; http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/02/15/brzezinski_no_obama_did_not_blow_it_with_egypt.html

It appears that the female presenter for MSNBC is Mika Brzezinski, daughter of Former national security adviser to President Carter, Zbigniew Brzezinski. Oh, the Irony.

Whereas he, Zbigniew Brzezinski, said nothing severely detrimental to Niall Ferguson's statement other than we will have to see how Egypt takes shape, she was spitting blood at Niall for being shown she knew 'nothing except Democrat dictat'. Talk of 'hell hath no fury like a woman scorned'!

Just goes to show that MSNBC are as short sighted and biased as Fox in their interpretation of the news and politics.

Thank God I received a grammar school education in the 60's-70's and I feel confident enough to form my own opinions rather than have them 'given to me'!

Thanks again for the piece.

The Man Who Never Was??

16 February 2011 at 10:04  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Your Grace

Communicants should bear in mind that Ferguson's spouse or partner in the modern idiom, is the lovely Aya Hirsan Ali. M/s Ali took refuge in Egypt at one point in her life and understands the Muslim Brotherhood, being formerly a Muslim herself. This communicant had the privilege of attending a dinner at which they were both present in June last year, a fascinating evening.

There is no doubt about Ferguson's talent, he has the rare capacity to entertain as well as to explain.

Would it be unkind to compare Ferguson to any British Cabinet Minister?

Is he a future PM?

16 February 2011 at 10:21  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

Ferguson is a man on the make. As bluedog alluded to he ditched his wife for Aya Hirsan Ali the atheist who lives under constant threat because of her remarks about Islam. Let’s not take his remarks as measured and dispassionate.

He no doubt would applaud the dictum that those that do not learn from history are condemned to repeat it (slightly misquoted I know). But circumstances change and we should not assume that Egypt will fall into the hands of Muslim extremists, it might, it might not.

He is right that the current US administration is a buch of amateurs but then so was the last. Clinton however did have a good grasp on foreign policy. The world should not be seen through the lens of left or right but through a rational and dispassionate assessment of events and their likely outcomes.

The ability of western governments to predict or anticipate events has always been far worse than many imagine, perhaps like many others Ferguson has been seduced by the likes of Kissinger and Brzezinski in thinking that there was a golden age of diplomacy and foreign policy.

16 February 2011 at 12:11  
Anonymous berserker-nkl said...

Niall Ferguson was clear and damning of Obama's reaction to Egypt's revolution.

But... to cite Kissinger as a role model for policy advisors is a little flakey. K was after all the man who helped instigate Operation Menu - the wholesale bombing of Eastern Cambodia and Nixpn's carpet bombing which killed over half a million people.

Then there is Chile... a truly serpentine piece of wriggling nastiness.( I believe Peter Hitchens has written on this) Then there was East Timor...

So Ok he helped bring China to view the Western World as not all bad. But maybe even this is now proving not to be a blessing. He also helped facilitate the end of the Vietnam conflict.

So maybe Mr Ferguson, amateurs like Hilary C are the best bet?

Clever, righteous, clear thinking people like Ferguson are more dangerous?

16 February 2011 at 15:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone know why Ferguson was on the guest list at last year's Bilderberg in Spain?

16 February 2011 at 16:16  
Anonymous Dick the Prick said...

Your Grace

Other than the fact she kept getting his name wrong the only thing left to be said is hahahaha hee hee hee - good lad!

Cheers

DtP

16 February 2011 at 18:04  
Anonymous tony b said...

It was somewhat amusing to listen to Obama applauding the end of various tyrannical regimes across the word - all of which of course were supported by the US.

16 February 2011 at 19:35  

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