Are we facilitating the al-Qaeda takeover of Libya?

While the world has been focused on the surgical strikes to remove Colonel Gaddafi from power (distracted momentarily by a nuclear meltdown in Japan), one can only wonder at the scant attention paid to Libya’s ‘rebels’. It appears not to matter who they are as long as they want what we want, at least in the short-term: our enemy’s enemy is our friend, and all that. The Supreme Allied Commander of NATO (Europe) has said there are reports of ‘flickers’ of al-Qaeda and Hezbollah among them.
O, goody. And we are apparently now considering giving them bombs and guns and bullets to facilitate their jihad against Gaddafi, without any question at all of what they may choose to do with those bombs and guns and bullets when the devil has gone. You can’t really give a bomb on short-term loan, or demand the return of unused bullets. Perhaps we’ll see them again soon at an underground station near you.
It is curious indeed that while we categorise Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation and are fighting al-Qaeda at home, we are content to arm them abroad. This is the broadest of coalitions in the righteous pursuit of UN Resolution 1973, but it seems to be more than a little short-sighted. Several members of Libya’s ‘opposition’ (officially termed the National Transitional Council) were in London yesterday to discuss the post-Gaddafi world order, which stretched Resolution 1973 to the Iraq objective: it is, after all, about regime change.
But this is all far more complicated than the media make out: Libya, rather like Iraq and Yugoslavia, is an artificially-constructed state, forged out of distinct and separate tribal identities: east Libya has historically been in conflict with what is now the west. Benghazi in the east was part of a Greek region known a Cyrenaica, and Tripoli in the west was a Punic settlement, both separated by Mediterranean trade agreements, language, culture, ethnic temperament and 600 miles of desert. This is how it remained as empires came and went – Greek, Roman, Ottoman and British. It was not until an invasion by Italy in 1911 that the two entities were forcibly united by Mussolini, with a central governance in Tripoli. Ever since, the Cyrenaicians have considered themselves a people oppressed and a land under occupation: they were Gaddafi’s Basque region; his IRA and his PLO all rolled into one. In Benghazi, they were freedom fighters.
The weakening of the strongman in Tripoli is the fulfilment of a century (to the year) of longing for independence. The present conflict will lead undoubtedly to demands for secession, and Libya will revert to its constituent regions. And the civil war will be bloody: we will probably arm the ‘rebels’ in their quest for freedom, and then just let them all get on with slaughtering each other.
But isn’t it strange that Iran has been silent? What do they know that we do not? Are they in touch with the freedom fighters of Benghazi? Is some new pan-Arabia alliance being forged between Iran and the ascendant Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Hezbollah in Syria, and al-Qaeda in Lybia? Egypt is about to elect a party to power whose slogan is ‘Islam is the solution’, which chimes somewhat conveniently with the blueprint for regional and world domination and the beliefs of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Hassan Nasrallah and Osama bin Laden.
The ‘rebels’ are not liberal democrats: they are no more concerned with the British or US interest than Gaddafi was, or indeed than those who brought down the World Trade Centre on September 11th 2001 or those who bombed the London underground on 7th July 2005. And neither will they be concerned with religious liberty. Christian minorities throughout the region face increasing risks under Islamic rule. While we may naively hope for the region’s dictators, tyrants and medieval monarchies to be replaced with an enlightenment democracy which respects the rights to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, it has to be observed that the hope may be a long time coming, if ever it comes at all.

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Your Grace it is the 20th Century Problem. Ludendorff wanted Russia out of WW! and Lenin promised and delivered Brest-Litovsk. The British introduced Trotsky into the situation to keep the Russian Army fighting and created the GRU, Military Intelligence for him.
Having created Soviet Communism Ludendorff later joined one of his Gefreiter in a 1923 Putsch in Munich and the Hitler Myth was born.
Having created Bolshevism in Russia, Ludendorff created a counterpoint in Nazism.
The Anglo-Americans smashed Nazism to allow Stalinism to move westwards and diverted billions in Welfarism to buy support and guns to deter Stalin.
We encouraged the cyclical upsurge in Islam to get its youth to fight the Russians in Afghanistan using Saudi oil money. Wahhabism escaped the peninsula and came to Pakistan. $35 billion of Saudi money for global mosque-building and we have Islamism.
We buy it off with concessions but never understand tribal societies so we play off factions. It is never as finely calibrated as in the classroom, but Western politicians think they know how to play off interest groups as at home.
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They are however crass and inept. Hague is risible, a parody beyond compare. They have not a clue.
This Government is less astute than the disastrous Blair. If Bush and Blair were deliberative, these are the sleepwalkers.
We should focus on living very insecure lives in an unstable world. The nice little welfare world we had from 1947-1980 is over forever and History has returned with a vengeance to show instability and war as part of everyday living.
The satirists were much quicker off the mark than you on this YG: The Daily Mash - Fingers crossed Libyan rebels aren't insane.
"Our enemy's enemy is our friend" is one of those ridiculous clichés. Has no one learned yet that our enemy's enemy is frequently our enemy too - especially where Islam is involved.
Oops ... the missed the link.
The Daily Mash - Fingers crossed Libyan rebels aren't insane
I believe that Cameron et al have really dropped a big one. So much for the 'statesman'! Magelec
Very good post Your Grace.
'Are we facilitating the al-Qaeda takeover of Libya?'
Of course. Who could possibly imagine otherwise? Ditto Egypt.
Friday 18th March HG rather hubristically said:-
“Today, David Cameron is vindicated. It was he who first called for a no-fly zone to be enforced” ...To those who criticise this intervention and insist that Gaddafi and Libya are nothing to do with us, etc.....This intervention is wholly justified, on humanitarian grounds and in the national interest..
...The ‘rebels’ are not liberal democrats: in short, it is our Christian duty to help the oppressed ... we have a moral obligation to defend the weak and to love our neighbour, who is every man
Today HG more soberly says:-
......”.And the civil war will be bloody: we will probably arm the ‘rebels’ in their quest for freedom, and then just let them all get on with slaughtering each other... - then continues with the lamentable observation –
Is some new pan-Arabia alliance being forged between Iran and the ascendant Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Hezbollah in Syria, and al-Qaeda in Lybia?”.
Is HG so naive not to believe the proven Chinese adage that War is Deceit?-
I say it’s a bit late now, for him to finally pause and consider the only valid observation that needed to be addressed by himself and our politicians in the first place. We British have once again been committed to exposing lives and resources only to be seen to be meddling in the murky world of Islamic governance. The fact that this reality has been apparent in modern times for at least 120 years, e.g. (Churchill – The River Wars) and more, has been ignored and fudged by compassionate bleeding heart Christian thinking, rather than by cold objective analysis. There are vast swathes of Muslims in the Middle East who are conditioned by their religion and through tribal allegiances to respect only the validity of the Strong Man in the desert politics.
The essence of intellectual Islam is world dominance in the name of Allah through the imposition of Sharia Law.
One major reason I maintain, for keeping religion out of politics and Islam out of Britain.
Hague said a few days ago that under no circumstances should Libya be split, but as usual with politicians, there was no indication as to his reasoning.
This country seems to be obsessed with "biggest is best" in terms of foreign policy, ever since the end of WW1 when it was largely responsible for shaping the Middle East as it is today, which one can hardly call a roaring success!
They tried the same with our African colonies, where the policy failed, but succeeded with Libya after WW2.
Forceably merged countries only exist under dictators, the USSR and Yugoslavia being the obvious examples, falling apart once the dictator goes.
Even here in Britain, many of us would like the country to split into its constituent parts, and the only country to see sense in recent times was Czechoslovakia, where, having split, the two parts get along as neighbours.
I can see no argument for keeping Libya as one country, as to do so would simply mean replacing one dictator with another.
Hague ought to understand, but apparently does not, that the peoples of the region simply do not understand our concept of democracy and are essentially tribal in outlook. He should be doing his best to facilitate the separation and independence of the two main parts, formerly Tripolitania and Cyraniaca. Hopefully, this would reduce the incentives to continue fighting and some form of peace and stability might be achieved.
And perhaps he should look at the Victorians, who saw "divide and rule" as the best way of managing the Indian sub-continent, Malaysia, etc with minimal resources.
There are 2 hopes that a bunch of desert-dwelling, death -cult savages (pick a desert, any desert, doesn't matter which), intent on the obtaining/maintaining of power by any means necessary, will suddenly lay down arms and install a democracy.
The bad news is that 'slim' just left town.
All through history, the muslims have oppressed, then murdered, Jews and Christians. When no Jews/Christians are available, they murder each other.
Just let them get on with it. The less of them, the better.
YG... Check out this site. Dianawest.net
Scary stuff
Highly and pertinently informative, and as expanded by Voyager and Dreadnaught.
But comparatively pedantically... "It was not until an invasion by Italy in 1911 that the two entities were forcibly united by Mussolini, with a central governance in Tripoli." Some mistake/ elision surely?
"In September 1911, Mussolini participated in a riot, led by Socialists, against the Italian war in Libya. He bitterly denounced Italy's "imperialist war" to capture the Libyan capital city of Tripoli, an action that earned him a five-month jail term. After his release he helped expel from the ranks of the Socialist party two "revisionists" who had supported the war, Ivanoe Bonomi, and Leonida Bissolati. As a result, he was rewarded the editorship of the Socialist Party newspaper Avanti! Under his leadership, its circulation soon rose from 20,000 to 100,000." (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini)
I do not think so your grace , one should not forget the astonishing sums of assetts frozen in the western banking systems , you may ponder what these funds were doing anyway . dont forget also that gaddafi was running a form of socialism , life according to his own green book.
I think somthing else is happening on this one , it may not be immediately repeatable in other states , but the baathests need to redress there democracy lag . People travel , they may well question what they see in some countries when compared to there own. As for alqueda , they of course recieve funding , but being as they only offer tears/death when in power , they too will find that you cannot shoot ideas , especially ones that shine some truth and light onto poverty.
regarding HS2 being as it has appeared , if the line does not bring £17bn worth of benfits , what is the point of soaking up finance that would . frieght does not travell at 200mph on any HS line anywhere !
Following Dianawest.net (TheNoseyMole 30 March 13:31)
... re R2P, remember President Roosevelt's Nobel Prize Lecture, May 5, 1910 ? (So last century.)
"... Each nation must keep well prepared to defend itself until the establishment of some form of international police power, competent and willing to prevent violence as between nations. As things are now, such power to command peace throughout the world could best be assured by some combination between those great nations which sincerely desire peace and have no thought themselves of committing aggressions. The combination might at first be only to secure peace within certain definite limits and on certain definite conditions; but the ruler or statesman who should bring about such a combination would have earned his place in history for all time and his title to the gratitude of all mankind." (source: http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1906/roosevelt-lecture.html)
Is George Soros a disciple? "Responsibility to Protect " at http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=278685
As Your Grace’s last paragraph hints, the best hope for the Middle East’s Christian communities is the retention of secular dictatorship; moves towards Islamic governance, whether through the ballot box or coup d’état, would see an increase in the persecution of Christians and the decline of their communities. Islam rules out the forcible conversion of Jews and Christians but it does so knowing that persecution and marginalization will gradually wear down resistance so that the People of the Book convert to Islam of their own free will.
David Cameron says: ‘This is not about Libyan oil’. If the West really is intent on forcing freedom and democracy on the Arab world, the price will be paid in part by Arab Christians. Whether the extinction of Christianity in the Middle East would bring home to the Church of England, among others, the danger of Islam remains a known unknown.
His Grace would be disappointed to learn that the 'rebels' don't appear to be borne of some spontaneous uprising, for reasons that can only be described as technical.
Mr J: "(source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benito_Mussolini)"
Wikipedia! :O :O :O
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Viking, you're having amnesia again, let me help you with your dwindling memory.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/genocong.htm
"The white officer in command: "ordered us to cut off the heads of the men and hang them on the village palisades, also their sexual members, and to hang the women and the children on the palisade in the form of a cross." After seeing a native killed for the first time, a Danish missionary wrote: "The soldier said 'Don't take this to heart so much. They kill us if we don't bring the rubber. The Commissioner has promised us if we have plenty of hands he will shorten our service'." In the words of author Peter Forbath's: "The baskets of severed hands, set down at the feet of the European post commanders, became the symbol of the Congo Free State. ... The collection of hands became an end in itself. Force Publique soldiers brought them to the stations in place of rubber; they even went out to harvest them instead of rubber... They became a sort of currency. They came to be used to make up for shortfalls in rubber quotas, to replace... the people who were demanded for the forced labour gangs; and the Force Publique soldiers were paid their bonuses on the basis of how many hands they collected."
Scary, Johnny. Would history repeat itself again? Now the West is desperately in need of more wealth to feed the wealthy?
I will add , that this is also an oppertunity for the arab world to have a different perception in the world and of its culture . We perhaps are unable to say if they would like democracy , because they have never really tried it beyond the crude power of a police state.
whilst from the UK many are warey of being sucked into current Arab tribal politics , if the beginings of a change of Arab thought takes place and reasess the emnity of the past years , as being culturally regressive and that new ways of getting along , may be better for there own people as well as ours, perhaps they will conceed that the world needs to be safer place.
It is a bloody oppertunity to break the axis of terrorism into somthing that takes them out of the tired routines they have gone through since ww2 .
if it fails and they resort back to funding terrorism , then an oppertunity will have missed that may not occure for another decade , in turn it will breed ,in the western democracies , a less hopefull belief in, if the arab world wants to be in the club of peacful developed nations.
The potential for change will not go away for the arab world , it will seep in other areas , so in some ways much better they look at if the world has changed and how they can progress .if they assume this is a demand for democracy by the west , that is wrong , the west is concerned by exported terrorism , but it also looks at the endless turmoil that operates in these terrorist base countries and wonders , why the arab world cannot do better , why does it not chose another way , what is causing it to stumble and be trapped in ultimately regressive jihad , with an enemy that just wants a peacefull free and trading world .
It is a chance for everyone to move on , recognise the best has not been attained and that new political will is the way to more sustainable peace and trade , which is perhaps a truer fundamental than the continual defining of the bogeyman with arms and menace/terroism.
I do not have a solution for Islam , but then again sharia law perhaps does not enquire about the matters of life in a modern way , its mixing with baathism hasnt really produced enlightend electorates.Are the best hospitals and schools in arab countries ? well no, that is the question they must ask themselves , just as the west had to do in its journey of struggles/imperfections.
"Scary, Johnny. Would history repeat itself again? Now the West is desperately in need of more wealth to feed the wealthy?"
liquidating assets the Bankers call it srizals, just about sums up the mess we are in and when civil war comes to Britain, they will ariel bomb us why they debate whether or not to deal arms to us.
Thats the nature of the UN Beast.
At what point will our leaders acknowledge the fact that Islam is our enemy, for want of a better word. I am not suggesting that individual Muslims are our enemy but Islam must be because it's teachings say so. I hopefully won't be around to see our complete downfall but I hope those that are recognise the people that are responsible and punish them accordingly for they will have been Traitors to their own Kin.
We all hope with our heart that the turmoil in North Africa will end favourably for all concerned but at the same time I think we know with our heads that it won't.
YG The words I have to input for word verification could make a man less secure than myself somewhat paranoid
@ srizals (16:25)—The East likes wealth, too. Oil wealth means that Islam can assert itself as it has never been able to do before—after Western brainpower and Western technology had found and extracted the oil. Sadly, the West did not foresee that the East’s new wealth would lead to the rise of a repressive desert philosophy that would threaten the West’s ideals of freedom and tolerance.
Beg pardon, Your Grace, but this story has news of the persecution of Ethiopian Christians by Muslims, and ends with a lesson from history that should make the West, having welcomed so many Muslims, stop and think.
Well, what can I say Johnny, the Imperialistic powers had made sure of that, and yet they couldn't and didn't find the hidden oil reserved for the native inhabitants. God is Great. But it had been in the wrong hands ever since. Hopefully from now on, it would be back in the hands of the ummah.
Come on Johnny, let Islam rule for a while and maybe the abundant social illnesses that we're having currently can be cut down to size. Starting with this one.
"Europol said in a statement that "Operation Rescue" had identified 670 suspects and that 230 abused children in 30 countries had been taken to safety."
"Some 200 suspects are based in Britain, said the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Center, a government agency. Of the 31 children, some only a few months old, more than 15 were in Britain, the center said. British authorities would not give a breakdown of where the other suspects or children came from, but said more than half the suspects in Britain were already being prosecuted.
The ring was traced to an Internet chat room called “Kids the Light of Our Lives” that featured images of children being subjected to horrific sexual abuse, including the streaming live videos."
http://www.johnnygosch.com/
If Islam failed to remedy them, Europe can always reverted back to its deep rooted heritage, as simple as that.
Talk about Islamophobia! For goodness sake not every Muslim is an Islamist.
Of course it's right to protect civilians from Gaddafi - Muslim and Christian. Extending the interpretation of Resolution 1973 to arming the rebels isn't appropriate.
Is al-Qaeda there with the rebels? What does 'flickering' mean? Lets not let our fear of Islamism detract from the humanitarian imperative.
Yes, YG, we are facilitating the al-Qaeda takeover of Libya.
More importantly, by our idiotic foreign policy we are now ensuring the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
We must remember that Gaddafi had a nascent nuclear progam that was given up so that he could rejoin the 'Community of Nations' I'm sure Iran is paying attention. The humanitarian conditions in North Korea are far worse than in Libya. When are we going over there? Thought not! We are ruled by boys and girls playing at politics.
Interesting post your Grace.
Gadaffi says he is fighting al-Qaeda could this possibly be true?.
Fundamentalist Islamic groups have a vested interest in destabilising Arab Countries so they can attempt to gain power.
Foe Bible prophesy to be correct(which it always is) there has to be a union between Russia and the surrounding Arab Countries.There has to be a union between the Arab Countries ,something that unites them,could this be a more extreme form of Islam directed towards Israel and the West?
@ len (19:29)—could this be a more extreme form of Islam directed towards Israel and the West?
Plain, ordinary Islam would be bad enough. This study includes a graphic that shows ethnic Russians forming 15·9 per cent of the 0 to 14 age group, with Muslims on 22·8 per cent.
to The Last Dodo - You are appropriately well self named indeed.
The use of the word Islamophobia as you should well know was conjoured up by the global islamic movement ie(the 57 member State 'Organisation of Islamic Conference') which is comfortably ensconced in the UN, to deflect attention from what is actually being perpetrated. It's the oldest trick in the book to employ what are intended as derogatory epithets in a feeble attempt to denigrate the legitimacy of ones intellectual opponents, rather than engage in a constructive debate.
You have apparently, fallen hook line and sinker in to the pit of confused uncertainty which is exactly what the Islamists intended.
Do you seriously believe that anyone who comes to this blog is as ignorant as you appear to be, of the wider intentions of the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Qaida, Hezbollah, Hamas, Muslims for Europe, the Salafists, Hizb ut-Tahrir, Jamaat al tabligh, the Taliban Jihadists, the King Fahad funded Muslim schools programme, etc etc.
Of course not all Muslims are Islamic terrorists, but neither do they take the streets in any country and defend their crackpot, and according to them, much maligned religion from these 'misunderstanders' of Islam.
Where are the 'No Sharia over here' banners outside the Mosques? - can't see them can you? because according to a recent survey, that's exactly what some 37% of young Muslim men in the UK actually want.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jan/29/thinktanks.religion
There is nothing irrational at all about Westerners having an aversion to Islam.
The flooding of Europe with muslims and the destabilising of muslim Countries are still project EURabia in action.
I think HG is right to question the policy for the reasons he gives. The problem seems to be a foreign policy that supports moves to democracy, which presumably is defined by the ability of a people to elect their govts, replacing tyrants. Never mind the end result might not be true freedom but just another type of tyrannical rule. Foreign policy should be centred on furthering our security interests and our freedom, and it may be the case that a dictator might be preferred to another type of tyrannical rule if that that would be far more hostile to the West and non-Muslims.
His Grace raises the exact same point I made on his blog a couple of weeks ago , on the matter of how the West supported the Taliban aginst the USSR - and now has cause to rue its decisions of thirty years ago.
Oh,also - to contrdict Obama and his allies, I predict there WILL be troops on the ground to fight in Libya.
If that happens , and if the West is indeed assisting an Al-Qaeda takeover , His Grace may regret writing of "The Day Cameron Became a Statesman".
Naive war-monger , more like.
Marcus Foxall
I agree with Mr Rottenberg. I was part of a church in N Africa which met in an upper room. One could easily have been living in ancient times. The N Africans I met were lovely people, wanting to make positive contact with the West, seeking relationships. One convert who invited me to dinner at his home, told me how difficult it was being a believer and how it was in France that he had learned about "family". He had never had a conversation with his own father until the day he died. We did not eat with his female relatives (they refused, for cultural reasons). I later heard he gave up being a believer due to these difficulties. It is sad that our Western vision of family is now so weakened. It is such a witness and it inspires the longings I describe.
This is a curious argument, almost as if taken out of pages upon pages of internet discussions I've been reading today...on webpages of a certain central European country. The argument is exactly the same, virtually point by point.
Makes me wonder whether there's a concerted PR campaign going on against the rebels. I wouldn't be all too surprised.
Cranmer would do well to remember that support from extremists does not necessarily tarnish the entire cause. He's built his own reputation and glory on fight against political correctness - a cause he shares with various extremists of all persuasions, yet nobody associates him with those extremists, be they BNP or whoever.
Let's not make that mistake with the Libyan rebels. The Al Qaeda forces in Libya number hundreds, the ordinary Libyans number millions. Right now, those ordinary Libyans are hanging on their buildings French flags and banners saying "Thank you USA!"
Even if they turn away from us later on, there is no excuse for giving Gaddafi any kind of silent support. The rebels are our neighbours, and they face machinery of one of the most terrifying dictatorships on Europe's borders. They seek to undo injustice, and to free themselves. To let them perish for the sake of speculations about the future would be...unchristian, at least.
Why are so many participants to this blog so free with snide comments and clever remarks? So unnecessary and so unchristian too.
Did the Good Samaritan interogate the battered victim of robbers to check out his politics before offering him unconditional aid?
No. Thought not!
Put the fear of Islam to one side, stop speculating about the al-Qaeda bogey man and just do the right thing. History tells us it pays off in the end.
Ernst loved William Hague's 'Take' on the action being followed by Britain on behalf of the libyan rebels. On ITV News at Ten last night.
"Carrying out the UN Resolution was like the government's Bible"
Ha, as they have completely ignored and continue like the fabian scum in matters that relate to The Almight and His Commandments, we can take it as 'a given' that this ( UN Resolution with defined caveats) means absolutely nothing to this government and British troops will be sent in to 'do a job'!!
More brave british soldiers corpses for what exactly?
What a shower this lot are really revealing themselves to be.
Trite/Hackneyed references to the Bible. Humbug!!
Ernst
Srizals
Have you read the Green Book?
Your Grace
The rebs are against Daffy Duck because he was a stooge of the West.
It follows that they are against the West.
This is a catastrophic foreign policy mistake.
“We” are not. The “no fly zone” (another illegal war) is not in my name.
Cameron and Clegg are following in the footsteps of war criminals Blair and Brown. As is correctly observed the only groups that prosper, besides the arms industries, are the Islamic fanatics.
Meanwhile, more waves of ‘asylum seekers’ (economic migrants) from across North Africa and the Horn of Africa are taking full advantage of the chaos that “we” have created and are landing in Italy to begin their journey across all of Europe to get to Benefits Blighty.
Today we hear that “Gaddafi’s envoy of death defects to UK” – the nearest country to Libya. Our island, courtesy of our corrupt and treacherous rulers, has become a safe haven for the world’s criminals and murderers.
The Western alliance has done enough - if this insurrection fails and becomes a bloodbath it will be the responsibility of the Arab countries who are doing absolutely sod all.
This scenario says it all.
English Pensioner posts--Even here in Britain, many of us would like the country to split into its constituent parts,
Too right, matey! I know I've said this before but if you drew a line under Birmingham, that is, excluding N Ireland, Scotland, Wales and oop North, the Southerners or should we say the peoples of the New Wessex would be the richest little Kingdom in Europe. We are healthier, less unemployed, less benefit barmy, more productive, cleverer and everyone wants to live in London and the SE. We don't smoke as much, we don't drink as much, we don't continually eat deep fried Mars bars and faggots!
The only snag is we are still in the EU.
In response to Your Graces heading.
The answer is yes, we are helping establish an Islamic super state in Africa. Whether it is the Taliban, Al-Quaeda, Hezbollah or any other group, the aim is the same. World Rule by Islam & Sharia law.
No policy of reform has been issued, no mention of Democracy or freedom of religous choice has as far as I know been mentioned.
The murder of politicians that have voiced support of such rights have featured briefly in the news.
Afghanistan should teach us that arming todays "freedom fighters" sentences us to repeat the errors of previous administrations.
The sad processions through Wooton Basset have taught us nothing.
Evil will always replace Evil until The return of the true Prince of Peace- Jesus. Only then will truth, peace and justice reign.
But on 18th March, Cameron was a Statesman at Last. He would be vindicated.
Again your analysis is proven to be worthless. Your acolytes would do well to remember that prestige does not equate to understanding the world, in fact, it tends to obscure the view.
Mr/Miss/Mrs/Ms Luikkerland,
The two are not mutually exclusive: it is perfectly possible to believe that David Cameron manifested real leadership over the establishment of a no-fly zone and to express concern over the continuing strategy.
Er yes, Your Grace, my answer is: quite possibly.
Should I, Manfarang? I don't find most Arab leaders inspiring. As the same with most leaders of the world nowadays. They depend on fear of themselves or others, not love to be in power, privatising profits while asking the people to share losses of the wealthy corporates that ignored their social obligations.
We are living in a world where the root of all evil dominate and suffocate. Everything else is expendable. Who is controlling our wonderful world nowadays? Muslims?
That is why tyranny and manipulators reigned mercilessly.
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