Monday, March 07, 2011

Democracy Akbar! Coptic Church of St Mina and St George is torched by ‘thousands of Muslims’

There has been a Coptic church on this site for centuries. St Mina (or Menas) is one of the most well-known of Egypt's saints, and St George needs no introduction.

Yesterday, a church dedicated to their blessed memory was destroyed in a small town just outside Cairo. It was torched by 'thousands of Muslims' (or are they Islamists? Or, for Baroness Warsi, are these 'thousands' simply a minority-of-a-minority ‘extremists’?) chanting ‘Democracy Akhbar’ – Democracy is Great! It is a curiously syncretised slogan, juxtaposing the Anglo-Greek with the Arabic: perhaps we will be hearing many more of them in the years to come. ‘Allah Save the Queen!’, perhaps; or the Aquinas-Mohammed ‘Just Jihad’ theory; or ‘Halal a day helps you work, rest and play’; or ‘Sharia – it’s what your right arm’s for’.

Apparently, the clergy in this church are still unaccounted for. There isn’t a mention of this barbarism on the BBC, or, for that matter, in any of the ‘mainstream’ media. As far as they are concerned, it hasn’t happened. So the UK is oblivious, preoccupied by the drama of the latest Middle East revolution, or distracted by David Beckham’s tattoo. Our media Attention Deficit Disorder can’t be bothered with the aftermath of the delightful downfall of dictators: Saddam was removed from Iraq; the Chaledean Christians are persecuted. Lebanon had its ‘Cedar Revolution’ to eradicate Hezbollah; the land is ‘cleansed’ of Christians. The people of Tunisia topple their corrupt president Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali; the Islamist hordes attack women and murder a Roman Catholic priest. And freedom-fighting Egyptians occupy Tahrir Square until Pharaoh Mubarak is forced out of office; and in moves the godfather of the Muslim Brotherhood Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi.

But we’ve moved on to Libya now: Colonel Gaddafi is the latest tragic hero to captivate our attention and entertain our thoughts.

And if not that, it’s the latest round of Dancing on Ice.

Or David Beckam’s tattoo.

As far as the British people are concerned, there is no persecution of Christians in Egypt, or anywhere in the Middle East, for that matter. For no ‘reliable’ media is reporting on it.

So, when you hear that ‘a mob of nearly four thousand Muslims has attacked Coptic homes’, do not believe it.

When you see that they have ‘torched the Church of St Mina and St George’, look the other way.

When it is reported that the clergy ‘died in the fire’ or are ‘being held captive by the Muslims inside the church’, let it fall on deaf ears.

When you read that ‘the mob prevented the fire brigade from entering the village’, don’t give it a second thought.

When you read that ‘a curfew has been imposed on the 12,000 Christians in the village’, just turn a blind eye.

When you read that ‘terrorised Copts have fled’, be oblivious.

And when you are told that ‘the mob chanted "Allahu Akbar" and vowed to conduct their morning prayers on the church plot after razing it’, don’t, for God’s sake, let the penny drop.

And if you want a reputable source for this atrocity – for one can expect AINA to be a veritable mine of islamophobic misinformation and propaganda – look no further than The Corner of The National Review Online, which draws on the AINA report but tells us further that Egypt’s Copts are begging for the Egyptian Armed Forces to protect them. Nina Shea, who is Director of the Hudson Institute’s Center for Religious Freedom, says:
“I also received a message from a Coptic friend that this week members of the Muslim Brotherhood, shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’, stormed a Christian school on Thabit Street in downtown Asyut and attempted to take it over. Egyptian security forces, including an army unit, intervened and routed out the Brotherhood members. The school had been built by Presbyterian missionaries in the early 1900s, and is now directed by Presbyterian Pastor Naji. Christian leaders from this southern area expressed a deepening sense of insecurity as the Muslim Brotherhood emerges from the underground.”
This incident follows the recent report of attacks upon a monastery. Egypt’s 10 million Coptic Christians are being religiously persecuted under the cloak of political chaos.

But that’s of no concern to the BBC or the rest of our trusty mainstream media.

They’ve got the latest Dancing on Ice spat.

Or David Beckham’s tattoo.

99 Comments:

Anonymous MrJ said...

We are indebted to you for bringing this to our notice. Would that the two Primates, in their own dioceses, and to all clergy in their provinces, send a letter to be read in all churches about it. (Can you say whether responsible ministers of the Crown are able to advise the Supreme Governor to prevent that? And what about Scotland?). If the Primates and Bishops fail to raise this for urgent debate in Parliament, the BBC and politicos have an easy excuse?

7 March 2011 at 11:24  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

YG, what can we do to help fellow Christians? I've written in the past to my MP but that appears to be a waste of time. Is there anything practical? Is there a fund to which I can contribute; are there any armed forces who can be supported to protect Christians in heathen lands?

7 March 2011 at 11:28  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

‘Don’t do as I do, do as I say’ is the phrase the springs to mind.

How much longer must non-Muslims endure the notion that the only valid minority is an Islamic minority demanding their democratic rights while getting rid of all others?

Awake, awake!

7 March 2011 at 11:33  
Blogger Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Your Grace

Five Words:

Sheer Brilliance With Extreme Wit.

Ernst is lost in admiration, my dear boy.


E S Blofeld

7 March 2011 at 11:34  
Blogger gildas said...

Excellent, Your Grace

7 March 2011 at 11:51  
Blogger Prodicus said...

Have you seen this?
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/02/24/another-gross-example-of-the-repression-of-christianity-in-turkey/

7 March 2011 at 11:57  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Is there anything practical? Is there a fund to which I can contribute;


Barnabas Fund

7 March 2011 at 12:05  
Anonymous Charlie said...

Your Grace, let us not forget that the Church of England's priorities seem a trifle tattoo-esque at the moment:
http://www.shrinkingthefootprint.cofe.anglican.org/campaign.php

7 March 2011 at 12:09  
Blogger Prodicus said...

Search Twitter on #helwan - thousands of Egyptians are raging about this atrocity, and the army has undertaken to rebuild the church.

7 March 2011 at 12:22  
Blogger Prodicus said...

I should say, thousands of Muslim Egyptians...

7 March 2011 at 12:23  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

Voyager, many thanks. I have made a donation to the Barnabus Fund.

7 March 2011 at 12:23  
Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

People that rely on the Internet have known about this for several days now. It's one reason I never watch the MSM news channels. In fact, I don't watch TV at all now which is why I don't pay my licence anymore.

But I think that Your Grace's tweet, with regards the Arch druid of Canterbury's comment, reveals yet again a reason for his removal. Surely no-one can be that stupid as to believe something as ridiculous as he does? Oh hang on, yes they can. People believe stupid things all the time regardless of what stares them in the face every day. Time to give the position to Michael Nazir Ali. Oh how I wish it could be so.

7 March 2011 at 13:04  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

Yet again you champion the Christian cause by raising awareness of vile persecution and commended you should be. The problem is the facts you so eloquently present, depress me immensely as I know nothing will change and we will continue to rush headlong into our own deserved extinction.

Unless the Church once again becomes strong and significant, and soon, I see no salvation.

7 March 2011 at 13:21  
Anonymous Dreadnaught said...

Well said Cranny Lad.

There are so many of the Islamic Cult now amonst us anyone challenging their belief system is ostracised and labelled as multiculturally devisive, and therefore likely to upset someone somewhere somehow and therefore likely to be in breach some law or other.

We in the West can no longer claim that we can speak freely.

This has been going on now for a decade or more and sucessive generations are being conditioned to accept this new 'norm'or understanding of the politically correct and revised meaning of a free press or an individuals right to'free speech'. We can only now speak freely if we are deemed not to be causing offence to Jews, Muslims, Christians or their rligious books.

What passes as freedom of speech must now of course be conditional that no one shrieks that they or their religion has been offended: but where is the outrage from the leaders. organisations and congregations of the billions of Christians of all denominations, that their fellow believers and their religion are, and is being systematically abused and obliterated in the Near,Middle and Far East.

They seem neither to know or care of what happens outside their own tiny sphere of delusion.

The Jews in the West have learned over centuries to keep their heads down due to from persecution from both Christians, Muslims and sundry despots of no religion at all. The Christians in Egypt, Lebanon and Iraq are the 'new Jews' in the Middle East now that the left is doing the Muslims bidding in trying to wipe the State of Israel from the face of the world. And what does the Church do? - sticks its collective head in the sand and puts it all down to misunderstanders of Islam and a minority of extremist hot-heads - Well that's all right then Mr Pope, Mrs Queen and Mr Canterbury isn't it?

I fear the only time the Christians of Western Europe will appreciate what is happening in the world is when it happens in their midst with abundant bloodshed and cries of Allhu Akbar.

When it does, I hope there will be no objection if the atheists and agnostics amongs us stand along side them and die for our 'tolerant' culture.

7 March 2011 at 13:30  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

LeucipottomySpoon82 you are being unfair to A++ Rowan.
His Grace said "Pakistan was created by Jinnah as a consciously Muslim state in which nonetheless the non-Muslim enjoyed an absolute right of citizenship and the civic securities and liberties that go with it."
The problem is that the ideal is not being realised and, from other events surrounding Islam, appears to be a completely false hope.
I know Rowan Williams is not the easiest understood but I think your interpretation is grossly unfair.

7 March 2011 at 13:40  
Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

Regardless of whether you think I am being unfair or not, and that's a matter of opinion considering all the other 'wise words' he has come out with in the past with regards Islam, muslims, and sharia law, you cannot deny he is the worst Archbishop we've ever had and totally unsuited to the position.

7 March 2011 at 13:53  
Anonymous History said...

Cranmer's tone implies that Christianity has an excellent track record when it comes to peace, stability and forgiveness. It's demonstrably not so. "Christians" are (and historically have always been) the worst persecutors of all.

7 March 2011 at 13:57  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

The Archbishop of Canterbury is correct when he says that a truly Islamic state, operating under shari’ah law, would protect Christians. Jews and Zoroastrians would also be protected but polytheists such as Hindus would not.

What the Archbishop may not have said is that the protection is given on condition that the non-Muslim subjects, dhimma, of the Islamic state agree to be subservient to Muslims, that they pay a special tax (jizyah), wear distinguishing dress, and keep to the side of the street (that’s to say, they must give way to Muslims); and that they do not build higher than Muslim buildings, do not display wine or pork, do not ring church bells, do not recite the Torah or Gospel aloud, and do not build new churches. If they break those rules they cease to be protected and may be put to death or enslaved.

7 March 2011 at 14:16  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

Lest my silence be taken as agreement I must demur LeucipottomySpoon82. However, that is not to say that I agree with the Archbishop's position on everything, particularly the possibility of accepting the introduction of limited Sharia law for family disputes and his stance on the ordination of women to the priesthood which is opposed on theological grounds in the East and West and has made the search for Christian unity even more problematic.

7 March 2011 at 14:19  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

PS Nice one Johnny!

7 March 2011 at 14:22  
Anonymous Michal said...

This should be investigated. It seems unusual that mainstream media would miss out such a delicious piece of news. What else is going to draw viewers to their television sets if not the image of a raucous crowd of thousands of evil muslims attacking Christians?

7 March 2011 at 14:26  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

Much of what happens in the world goes unreported here, by necessity I suppose given that the world is a big and diverse place, but it is curious that this has not been. Even a highly cynical person like myself expects the newspaper commentators to be looking for all sorts of different angles and perspectives for their articles on the Middle Eastern turmoil.

7 March 2011 at 14:28  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

"What else is going to draw viewers to their television sets if not the image of a raucous crowd of thousands of evil muslims attacking Christians?"

Well, quite.

7 March 2011 at 14:30  
Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

Don't worry Ancient Briton, silence does not necessarily mean agreement, and I didn't assume so.

However, Johnny Rottenborough's clarification is welcome as it explains why I disagree so vehemently with the AofC's statement, and had mistakenly assumed people would know why. Oh no! I am turning into my ex-wife!!! (i.e. "I shouldn't have to tell you these things, you should just know!")

7 March 2011 at 14:33  
Anonymous Posterity said...

History said ever so 'preposterously'

"Cranmer's tone implies that Christianity has an excellent track record when it comes to peace, stability and forgiveness. It's demonstrably not so. "Christians" are (and historically have always been) the worst persecutors of all."

That Christianity is not flawless is shown throughout history and is a weakness of the adherents not The Foundation Stone as is quickly corrected by reverting to the Sinners handbook manual.

However, Posterity looks back and finds that 'moderates' only seem to have ever existed in a Christian/Western culture and positively flock here by whatever means possible, even to these Blessed Isles, in particular, today.

Posterity suggests History removes rose tinted spectacles and concentrates on the continuous, systematic narrative of past events known as FACTS!

There's a fine fellow

7 March 2011 at 14:33  
Blogger Manfarang said...

BEIRUT: Thousands of people marched from Dora to Beirut Sunday in the second round of a campaign to “topple the sectarian regime” and its leading symbols.




Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=125693#ixzz1FvNGCNBD
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7 March 2011 at 14:37  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

Why do people rush to condemn Christianity as aggressors with an implied defence of Islamic excesses?
Take a look at what is happening TODAY, not in the past:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k1gu2xjkmI&feature=player_embedded#at=12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1qdTEdmsrw&feature=related

7 March 2011 at 14:49  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Manfarang said 7 March 2011 14:37

..and your point or argument being ? my strangely opaque Thai vegetable.

Clarity and an objective here would be most appreciated!

E S Blofeld

7 March 2011 at 14:54  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Sweeping view of history there @13:57. Can't imagine which self-styled winner is writing it.

It is truer that Christians have not, in general, erupted with the intention of eliminating all other religions. If they had, there wouldn't be much of anything left by now. You see, Christian education produced the scientific advances with which your present aggressors adorn themselves.

If you refer to the Crusades, it's worth remembering that the Middle East was surging west throughout much of that period; Christians had a civilization to defend and to develop - amid our green pastures.

You may also notice that the Crusades ended - several hundred years prior to living memory, although later desert philosophy clearly has more to do with death than with living. Your view therefore negates the sublimity of it all, denies that individuals have ever negotiated between extremes, and suggests they have not right to do so now.

To the specific case at hand. I would point out that His Grace told me to grow up when I advocated destruction of edifices frequented by those who persecute Christians. He deleted my post on this blog- regardless of how alien said blots are on the British landscape, how they desecrate British building materials, or how empty of inhabitants they might be (I did not intend murder).

Nor is there a general conflagration of that kind in the world now: persecution of other religions does not prevail among present-day Christians.

His Grace's attitude is the one that surrounds us; it is the sentiment that produced most Christians I know; it is the traditional stand of most people here. Here and now.

7 March 2011 at 15:30  
Anonymous Fran said...

Thanks for drawing this to our attention Your Grace.

It was only a matter of time before this type of persecution broke out.

7 March 2011 at 15:36  
Anonymous Paul said...

Persecution of Copts in the name of the religion of peace. So very horrific and sad.

7 March 2011 at 15:41  
Blogger thestreetman said...

Your Grace

Thank you for this. I wonder if the treacherous, useless, grasping BBC would have reported thousands of Christians killing Muslims and destroying mosques in an orgy of religious supremacism?

You know, I think it just might have.

And one can only imagine if it had been Jews doing the same!

7 March 2011 at 16:02  
Anonymous Charles Martell said...

t is a truth universally acknowledged, that a religious conflict will always involve "the religion of peace".... and that the BBC will not say so.

7 March 2011 at 16:39  
Anonymous not a machine said...

How can these people proclaim they know God , if this act of burning a church venerated to there own prophet is it not a form of heresy.

I pity them and there lack of enlightenment and that they do not see it is a transgression , but as we know dark forces are at play.
What is there to avenge or be angry about towrds the copts .A tragic day . let us hope we ask for guidance and that god offers the copts some comfort and safety from the madness , Islam seems destined to embrace with perfection through death of monks that hold a faith they cannot grasp. If only they thought that the freedom they have protested for had the christ intertwined within it .

7 March 2011 at 16:52  
Blogger kathrynfshaw said...

"History said...
Cranmer's tone implies that Christianity has an excellent track record when it comes to peace, stability and forgiveness. It's demonstrably not so. "Christians" are (and historically have always been) the worst persecutors of all."

Utter bs!

"history" - fact free and apparently proud of it.

It sounds like the usual 'attempt' at comment by some sad trolling atheist aged thirteen and three quarters.

Stalin's Purges
Mao's Cultural Revolution
Pol Pot's Killing Fields
The Noyades and Persecutions of the French Revolution
Calles' Soviet Mexico
The Spanish Red Terror
Kim Jong Il's Nuclear Atheism
etc etc

After doing a Lennon 'Imagine' we can all see how much those lovely atheists live life in peace and the world lives as one...

7 March 2011 at 16:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cranmer:

Bull. 'Islamophobia' is a fantasy.

A phobia is an irrational fear. Your implication is that it is somehow irrational to fear Islam. Considering what Islam is doing in the world right now, fear is hardly an irrational response.

Phobia? Most assuredly no. Again, I beg you to remove your head from your fundament. Otherwise, well done.

7 March 2011 at 17:14  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

kathrynfshaw

Those are specific political ideologies, not versions of atheism. Atheism is a-theism. That is, without theism. It's the absence of a belief in god or gods. Ideologies based on (say) socialism are about organising society along socialist lines. Saying they are essentially about atheism rather than merely having an atheistic approach to religion in their political ideology is a nonsense.

7 March 2011 at 17:23  
Anonymous David Wilson said...

In the UK they are too busy putting our Lord and Saviour on trial in the courts, finding Him guilty of wickness and crucifying Him to care what is happening to Christians else where in the world. But because He loves He still says: come follow me.

7 March 2011 at 17:50  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

This event is important, however I wish to concentrate your minds on the issue of The MSM, with regards to their non or miss reporting of this issue as well as MANY others.

As Your Grace correctly alludes to, the minds of the public are conditioned to believe that if it is not TV, it has not happened.

In some ways the public are correct, for if we are not told about something our reaction to it, is not required.

Therefore, if it is not TV, especially BBC TV, it may as well not have happened at all, even if it happened right out side-side your own home.

For you can be absolutely assured that when our reaction is required to whatever may or may not be happening, they will tell us.

In the same way that the media virtually ignored or positively supported Hitler, until such time that they were instructed not to. At which time of course it was far too late to do anything about him, other then to prepare for war, and start praying.

The BBC is playing the same old game.

The same could and certainly should be said about characters such as Osama Bin-Larden, and Saddam Hussain.

But surely The BBC is full to the brim of well meaning generally left leaning individuals who's whole reason for being is telling the truth, I can feel you thinking.

The BBC may very well be full of these people, but the real controllers of The BBC and entire MSM have well tried and tested methods of keeping even these people from knowing the truth; and even if they somehow accidentally stumbled on it, even better methods of keeping them utterly confused or deafly quiet.

In the not so distant past, we trusted our media, because we knew no better. Therefore we had an excuse for our ignorance. This excuse no longer exists. You have all proved yourselves to have access to the internet, so it is well past time for all good men, and true, to stand up and be counted.

We cannot as yet, and are unlikely in the future, to be able to tackle our puppets masters head on. Always supposing that we knew who exactly THEY are, which to a large extent we don't.

However we could make at least a starting effort to hit the establishment where it hurts, which in their soft underbelly, namely the BBC.

We must forget completely about concepts such as left or right, or indeed party politics itself, especially with regards to The BBC; for the BBC did many years ago.

The BBC know that if the public start complaining that The BBC is bias to either one political wing, religion, or nation, the BBC can safely forget about the whole complaint, as the it is clearly coming from an idiot.

We much insist on THE TRUTH, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, nothing else, and little more.

The problem we have is that the masses are conditioned to not only not to insist on the truth, but also not to want it, or even fully understand it, when they are given it.

It is not in the main part there fault, these particulars type of lies, have been going on for a very long time.

7 March 2011 at 18:36  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtf4vIpF-is

Excellent news coverage!

7 March 2011 at 18:38  
Anonymous Jonathan Stuart-Brown said...

What can we do ?
Oftentimes the most practical thing we can do is to pray and pray hard to God The Father, Jesus Christ and The Holy Spirit. May they protect the Christians and Jews in the places they are being persecuted.

7 March 2011 at 18:52  
Anonymous MrJ said...

MrJ observes a great need for wide publication (by BBC or otherwise) of informed remarks about whether AV Etc is likely to help or hinder restraint of the Islamic supremacists.

At the risk of stating what others know well, it does seem that comments here and the linked pages (and elsewhere) make abundantly evident:

1) that the facts of history and current events show that, whatever may have been or are admitted to have been wrongdoing or misadventure on the part of the peoples (and individuals) of the Christian or any other tradition, there is an openly declared threat today on the part of Islamic supremacist preaching and practice, and in the name of "Sharia", against all others including Muslim apostates and against Muslim's who dissent from its excesses, and against Hindus;

2) that it may be an understatement to say that this is not adequately acknowledged or recognised by those who hold responsible positions in this country;

3) that many remain baffled about what there is to be done publicly or privately to the contrary;

4) while attention is being given at this blogsite (and some others) to the question, discourse at large is being distracted (from this and other great issues) by debates about the merits of AV Etc.

7 March 2011 at 19:05  
Blogger English Pensioner said...

There isn’t a mention of this barbarism on the BBC, or, for that matter, in any of the ‘mainstream’ media. As far as they are concerned, it hasn’t happened.

I expect this of the BBC, but not the media at large. Which is one of the reasons that I won't be renewing my subscription to the Daily Telegraph when it expires in a couple of weeks. These days the last place you look for real news is in a "newspaper"!

A new lap-top will be better value.

7 March 2011 at 19:30  
Blogger Bristol St. Lie Factory said...

Heartbreaking. Even the Church of England are doing nothing to publicise these grave injustices whichever you look at it amount to religious and ethnic cleansing.

The Bishop of Birmingham sees his time better spent allowing Birmingham's premier churchyard as a venue for a political demonstration which he himself was the main speaker.

http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2011/02/25/hundreds-to-protest-against-council-cuts-in-birmingham-65233-28235871/

7 March 2011 at 19:39  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Somebody calling himself/herself 'History said' (hereafter HS) claims 'Cranmer's tone implies that Christianity has an excellent track record when it comes to peace, stability and forgiveness. It's demonstrably not so. "Christians" are (and historically have always been) the worst persecutors of all.'

HS has come in for a bit of Christian persecution and insult him/herself in these august comments, being accused of 'bs' and other unattractive epithets.

Since Christians need to care for the marginalised, I think I am going to have to give serious consideration to HS's claims.

Some knowledge of both Christianity and history suggests to me that HS may not be altogether on the wrong track.

Despite the clear and unambiguous teachings and example set by the founder of Christianity (Jesus), his alleged followers have for some time set themselves up from the time of Constantine as a worldly power with all the attendant use of force and, it must be said, persecution.

We Anabaptists know all about 'Christian' persecutions, having been assailed by both Catholics and Protestants on account of our peacable desire to conform to the New Testament rather than to pollute the name of Christ by shedding blood, by forcing 'faith' on other people, and by violently suppressing dissent. If you want to know about Christian persecutions, read the histories of the Anabaptists.

Of course there have been equally bad, if not worse mass murderers, but none of them have cloaked themselves in the name of the Prince of Peace to carry out their atrocities. A case can be made that so-called Christians have indeed been the very worst of persecutors because they have carried out such wickedness when they, above all people, should have known much better.

This is neither 'fact-free history', nor an 'attempt at comment by some sad trolling atheist aged thirteen and three quarters.' This, I'm afraid is sober history. It's a great pity some of you seem unaware of it.

Jesus speaks to you, as he did to his first disciples who asked if they should, like Elijah, call down fire from heaven on those who rejected his gospel:
You know not what manner of spirit you are of.'

7 March 2011 at 19:49  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

"As Your Grace correctly alludes to, the minds of the public are conditioned to believe that if it is not TV, it has not happened."

Surely one has to know something has happened and be able to verify the details in some way in order to react appropriately?

How else is someone to know something has happened thousands of miles away unless one sees images of it for oneself or hears of it from what one regards as a reputable source?

7 March 2011 at 20:01  
Blogger The Gray Monk said...

As the BBC is now entirely in the hands of the Secularist/Humanist lobby, do not expect any sympathy for martyred Christians or the desctruction of Christian Churches or persecution of Christians. They are merely reaping the retribution due to Christianty according to such luminaries as Dr Dawkins and Stephen Fry. Besides, we really don't want to upset our Muslim friends or derail their planned take-over of the UK now do we?

May I enquire whether your Grace plans to enquire into the reduction of charges and the ludicrous fine imposed on the Muslim rdaical who burned poppies at a Remembrance Parade? Or perhaps at the reason the EDL member - originally charged with affray for stopping said Radical - is now re-arrested and recharged with the same offence after it had originally been dropped?

7 March 2011 at 20:02  
Blogger Judith said...

Thank you so very much; at last I know where to look to see what's REALLY happening to my brothers and sisters around the world. The BBC and other media should be ashamed. And so should our great Anglican leaders. People in the pews need to know what's happening. There's too much navel gazing and not enough truth being given to us. Truly the devil prowls around seeking whom he would devour.

7 March 2011 at 20:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I accept that there is considerable failure to keep track of how stories carry through, and that we are easily sidetracked...

But I also know that there are plenty of people that are out there inventing stories which have not the slightest shred of truth to them. Tories are not immune from doing this, any more than those of the left are, and the ability to set a false story running entirely innocently is now a trivial matter.

I raise this because I have seen reporting that points not to Islamic terror, but the polar opposite. It may not be as recent as yours - it is dated 15 February - but I am quite happy to make clear who my source is (Lynne Hybels, wife of the pastor of Willow Creek church in the USA), and where it was posted (the website of Sojourners, at http://blog.sojo.net/author/lynne_hybels/)

So, one simple question: what is your source for the church burning story?

Mac

7 March 2011 at 20:20  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace,

Here in Malta, we have the privilege of being able to follow Italian TV - not every state TV is as myopic as the BBC which I consider to be a disgrace. on RAI, every Sunday there's a one hour long program which mainly revolves on the persecution of Christians - by Muslims - interspersed by Benedict's Angelus - and say what you will about him but to his credit he has consistently been trying to garner the world's attention that this barbaric treatment of Christians at the hand of Muslims deserves. Let us not forget, also that the Italian Foreign Minister - has been seeking for sometime now to counter these ominous developments at EU level - to couple aid and sanctions with the treatment of minorities - only to be thwarted by the likes of "Baroness Ashton" who seems offended to include the word Christian in any resolution.

Your Grace it took Popes to call a crusade which I fear is what will be eventually required. Here unlike our Northern brethren we have been on the front line for several centuries - Vienna, Lepanto and indeed our own Great siege in Malta was borne mainly by 'southerners' and is the only reason why Europeans do not as a matter of course prop up their posteriors to the heavens whilst facing towards Mecca. We have no illusions about the task ahead.

It is high time i believe (and pray) that Rome is reconciled with both the western Protestant churches and the eastern Orthodox ones. only then can we hope to even entertain the hope to defeat a common and mortal enemy, which has declared war on us 1400 years ago and has been relentless ever since.

Perhaps I am naive - but i believe that Christianity will ultimately prevail from Oslo to Alexandria, from Antioch to London, From Moscow to Cordoba, From Rome to Constantinople and Jerusalem as it once did..

I trust in Jesus Christ - and that tenet alone - should be enough for Christians to postpone their petty squabbles and unite along with our brethren the Jews, first to defeat the collaborators in our midst and then the barbarians at our gates.

7 March 2011 at 20:42  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Further to The Gray Monk’s comments (20:02) about the leniency shown to the Muslim poppy burner, a Muslim who sprayed ‘Islam will dominate the world’ on a war memorial escaped a severe sentence because the Crown Prosecution Service said he was not religiously motivated. See here.

Incidentally, when the damage was first reported a local worthy opined: ‘I suspect members of the far right have done this to stir things up and there are generally very good inter-cultural relations in East Staffordshire. Graffiti of any type is terrible but when it includes racist material it has to be considered utterly unacceptable.’ See here.

7 March 2011 at 20:45  
Anonymous Indigo said...

MunaElMasry @Sandmonkey guys we r getting tweets from ppl who cannot leave homes cos of anti coptic in Helwan. Needs Moslems 2 intervene
29 minutes ago

suzeeinthecity "@diptychal:#Coptic caller on TV from #Helwan:We can't leave our homes.Theyr chanting Al saleeb 3adow Allah (The cross is the enemy of God)
about 1 hour ago

7 March 2011 at 20:54  
Anonymous Teddy Bear said...

The BBC seem to have missed this story too Ethiopia: Muslims shouting "Allahu akbar" burn five churches. Somehow this kind of story doesn't fit with the world view they want to present, like Islam means 'peace', despite nearly 17,000 deadly terror attacks since 9/11, and no argument when Muslim organisations say they are being unfairly singled out in response to a US Congressional hearing on the Muslim community there.

However the BBC are happy to report this about Egyptians and the Christians there just under a month ago; Egypt's Muslims and Christians join hands in protest

For the BBC, the 3 wise monkeys applies when referring to Islamic violence.

7 March 2011 at 20:58  
Anonymous Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

The Gray Monl said 7 March 2011 20:02

"May I enquire whether your Grace plans to enquire into the reduction of charges and the ludicrous fine imposed on the Muslim rdaical who burned poppies at a Remembrance Parade? Or perhaps at the reason the EDL member - originally charged with affray for stopping said Radical - is now re-arrested and recharged with the same offence after it had originally been dropped?"

It appears, dear boy, that even a citizens arrest is now covered by the all encompassing HRA, except it was the 'Wrong Human' and the 'Wrong' Right.

E S Blofeld

7 March 2011 at 21:01  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Anonymous from Malta, expressing the hope that 'Christians' of all sorts will unite in miltary resistance to Islam, says, 'I trust in Jesus Christ - and that tenet alone - should be enough for Christians to postpone their petty squabbles and unite along with our brethren the Jews, first to defeat the collaborators in our midst and then the barbarians at our gates.'

Possibly Mr Anonymous will refer us to the particular words and actions of this Jesus whom he professes to trust, who did not resist evil men, but gave himself over to them, submitting himself to death, even the death of the cross. Possibly Mr Anonymous will reflect that Christians are those who are the disciples of Jesus, who said that if anybody wished to be his disciple they should follow him, taking up the cross.

Somehow, it seems unlikely that he was advocating taking up crosses to beat other people over the head with them, but rather that they should follow him in the way of persecution and submission, knowing that miltary force, even though he could have called upon twelve legions of angels (but didn't do so) is not the way of the cross, but rather the way of him whom Jesus refused to bow down to in the wilderness.

As I said in an earlier post, Jesus says to you, as he said to his disciples when they asked if they should, like Elijah, call down fire from heaven on those who rejected him, 'You know not what manner of spirit you are of.'

7 March 2011 at 21:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Somehow, it seems unlikely that he was advocating taking up crosses to beat other people over the head with them, but rather that they should follow him in the way of persecution and submission"

Anabaptist - we did not start this war. would you stand by and watch when someone innocent gets beaten to a pulp? there is concept of a just war you know and it involves going to protect the innocent out of love. to stand by and turn your gaze away in front of injustice is NOT being Christian.

I'm not advocating violence - but there's a limit beyond which one has the obligation to pick up the sword. you are probably an Anglo-Saxon like my forefathers who have had little experience of the depravations we had to put up here. let me just state that the ENTIRE population of our sister island Gozo (look it up) was carried off in slavery. what do you know about that?

being Christian does not mean being suicidal.

7 March 2011 at 21:20  
Blogger Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Anabaptist said

"Since Christians need to care for the marginalised, I think I am going to have to give serious consideration to HS's claims."
Does this care you imply extend to devil worshippers, who believe they are marginalised and have pushed to get themselves recognised in Society or are not all sinners marginalised therefore and in need of understanding the difference between gross exaggeration and the simple truth of history. You are providing succour to this knowingly obtuse remark!

"Some knowledge of both Christianity and history suggests to me that HS may not be altogether on the wrong track." He/She may have a point but this does not mean they are altogether on the right track. Massive generalisation!!

"Despite the clear and unambiguous teachings and example set by the founder of Christianity (Jesus), his alleged followers have for some time set themselves up from the time of Constantine as a worldly power with all the attendant use of force and, it must be said, persecution."
You make the classic wrongful asumption that all Christians were followers of Rome from Constantine and that all Christians were therefore also Protestant from Reformation onwards.
I will think you will find that The Lord always has His faithful throughout history, irrespective of denominations and they are always ready NOT to bow the knee, for His namesake. Are you not Anabaptist, well then.

"Of course there have been equally bad, if not worse mass murderers, but none of them have cloaked themselves in the name of the Prince of Peace to carry out their atrocities. A case can be made that so-called Christians have indeed been the very worst of persecutors because they have carried out such wickedness when they, above all people, should have known much better."

These so called were/are not Christians, as if the mere mention of words shows being a true follower and saved to the uttermost whereas it must ALWAYS be included with actions. YOU ARE WHAT YOU DO.

Sorry but you are mistaken and go too far in backing up this erroneous generalisation against Christianity.

E S Blofeld

7 March 2011 at 21:34  
Anonymous Lord Lavendon said...

The big problem is that the enemy knows what he stands and fights for- but do we?

7 March 2011 at 21:35  
Anonymous Marduk, Prince of Evil said...

Blofeld, which incarnation are you?I hope that you are the "Donald Pleasence" incarnation of Blofeld!

7 March 2011 at 21:39  
Anonymous Ginger Rodent said...

Why does his Grace bother to lick Warsi's arse, when she follows this same sick religion as the people who have executed Christian Brothers and Sisters? Oh, I see. She is a Tory party chairperson and therefore acceptable. Hopefully the tories/liberals will be crushed at the next elections- the treacherous hypocrites deserve it!

7 March 2011 at 21:42  
Anonymous Albion Patriot said...

@Johhny Rottenborough, what can we do to defend our beloved isle against should vandals-is there no party which speaks about stopping this threat?

7 March 2011 at 21:43  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Anonymous of Malta @ 20.42 said 'Perhaps I am naive - but i believe that Christianity will ultimately prevail from Oslo to Alexandria, from Antioch to London, From Moscow to Cordoba, From Rome to Constantinople and Jerusalem as it once did..'

Amen to that. It is extraordinary to think that of the five original Patriarchates of the early church, just Rome remains in Christian hands. Indeed Rome is the only See that has never suffered occupation by the religion of peace.

7 March 2011 at 21:44  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Albion Patriot (21:43)—It’s easy to identify the party that speaks out against Islam. It’s the one that is denigrated as racist, xenophobic, fascist and neo-Nazi. The Establishment, including the BBC, did its very best to imprison the party’s leader about five years ago for telling the plain truth about Islam but, thanks solely to trial by jury, the attempt failed.

7 March 2011 at 22:05  
Anonymous not a machine said...

I found a prayer to share with you by Elizabeth Leseur

My God, Who hast allowed us human hopes
but Who alone bestowest christian and supernatural hope
grant I beseech Thee, by Thy Grace , this virtue to my soul,
to the souls of all I love , and to all Christian souls.
Let it enlighten our lives,
our suffering, and even our death.
And let it uphold in us,
through the disappointment and sadness of each day ,
a secret strength and unalterable calm.

7 March 2011 at 22:13  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

"The Establishment, including the BBC, did its very best to imprison the party’s leader about five years ago for telling the plain truth about Islam but, thanks solely to trial by jury, the attempt failed."

Unlike with Richard Price, described by some as a leader of the English Defence League, who was variously convicted of possessing crack cocaine, making indecent images of children, and violent behaviour, according to the Times. The Times says the group subsequently launched a campaign to free the bloke.

If you are a subscriber:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/article2861643.ece

7 March 2011 at 22:42  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Anabaptist_There may be some here that need reminding of the grievous persecution for "heresy" of peaceable persons such as Anabaptists, Quakers and others; but the very name of this blogsite is a constant reminder, among other things, of persecution of sincere reformers and of sincere loyalists to the Roman Church.

There may also be some who need to be reminded that Malta and mainland Italy, Sicily, Spain, north Africa and the land and islands of the eastern Mediterranean were long subjugated or threatened by conquering or marauding Saracens. (But there has been a fair amount of that in northern Europe, successive waves of heathen upon Christians and then Christians against Christians; not forgetting either that the peoples of Islam have been at least as badly divided against each other as the peoples of Christendom.)

Of more present concern is the report from Indigo "We can't leave our homes.Theyr chanting Al saleeb 3adow Allah (The cross is the enemy of God)".

7 March 2011 at 22:52  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ DanJ0 (22:42)—Crack cocaine, making indecent images of children and violent behaviour versus drug dealing, child marriage¹ and divinely authorized slaughter of non-Muslims².

¹ ‘If you are in any doubt concerning those of your wives who have ceased menstruating, know that their waiting period [for divorce] is three months. And let the same be the waiting period of those who have not yet menstruated.’ Qur’an 65:4

² ‘Kill them [the unbelievers] wherever you find them.’ Qur’an 2:191

7 March 2011 at 23:19  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Well I know the marxists delight in associating themselves with Antichrist - they've told me so.

But: Theyr chanting Al saleeb 3adow Allah (The cross is the enemy of God)".
Ummm. Is this Antichrist's other limb: or are we just being manipulated into thinking so?

Not forgetting Megiddo....

nm

7 March 2011 at 23:34  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

The marauding Muslims mentioned by MrJ (22:52) reached our own shores, too:

❛Thousands of white Christians were seized every year to work as galley slaves, labourers and concubines for Muslim overlords in what is today Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria and Libya, it is claimed. … According to one estimate, 7,000 English people were abducted between 1622-1644, many of them ships’ crews and passengers. But the corsairs also landed on unguarded beaches, often at night, to snatch the unwary. Almost all the inhabitants of the village of Baltimore, in Ireland, were captured in 1631, and there were other raids in Devon and Cornwall.❜—The Guardian

7 March 2011 at 23:36  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Lance Corporal Jones: ''Give 'em the old cold steel, they don't like it up 'em!''

8 March 2011 at 01:41  
Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

More information, posted today, on this incident here:

Christian Copts in Egypt Protest Muslim Attacks

This video is also interesting as it relates to Islamic enslavement of black people and the West's tendency to silence on the matter:

Muslim Genocide on Black Africans Through Mass-Castration - Tidiane N´Diaye

8 March 2011 at 06:32  
Anonymous len said...

The aim of Islam is to replace Christianity ,and one of the ways it intends/is doing/ this is by displacement.
For example remove the Christian presence and replace it with an Islamic one, Islam has done this with the Dome of the Rock and Muslims now deny that the Temple ever existed!.They have been excavating under the Temple site removing all evidence that the Temple was ever existed.
The only consolation for persecuted Christians throughout the World is God is never surprised at the opposition to his plans and will turn what is intended for evil to good.We see this carried out in the life of the Lord Jesus Christ,Joseph, Daniel, and many others...............................
Meanwhile the West slumbers on, concerned only(apparently) with where the next barrel of oil is coming from,( and who will win Dancing on Ice)

8 March 2011 at 07:49  
Anonymous Andrew Reid said...

Hi there,

Some of the Egyptian media are covering the story as well. Obviously they're not major international news sources, but these kind of stories used to get hushed up or whitewashed in the Egyptian state media before the revolution.

Andrew Reid

http://www.almasryalyoum.com/en/node/341132
http://english.ahram.org.eg/~/NewsContent/1/64/7217/Egypt/Politics-/Egypts-prime-minister-meets-Coptic-protesters.aspx

8 March 2011 at 08:12  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Seeing Mary Abdelmassih's report ("Posted GMT 3-8-2011 2:55:17") via the link given by LeucipottomySpoon82__Whatever else is or ought to be going on in the name of this country and any private initiatives, Lord Carey and the UK Embassy to the Vatican could be expected to be active in calling for this wrongdoing to be redressed? And the "United Nations" Organization?

The other link (YouTube on Muslim enslavement of Africans) is a timely reminder of the ever-present need for deliverance from the affliction of enslavement and enslaving, of body, mind or both (all polemics and propaganda apart).

And Ien's remarks are much to the point.

8 March 2011 at 09:54  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Mr Rottenborough @ 23.36, Lundy Island was a corsair base for many years to the mid 17th century. At one point, during the reign of Henry III the island was owned by one William de Marisco. Not really a name of obviously Anglo-Saxon or Norman French origin. An adventurous etymologist might even suggest a link to the Spanish 'Morisco' or Moor.

8 March 2011 at 10:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

anabaptist how is your cut-out shortened version of the bible doing?
All these and more are apparently missing:
John 2:15-17 Matthew 10:34Revelation 19:15 Matthew 24:6-8 Matthew 11:12 Romans 12:9 Daniel 9:26 Revelation 20:7-10 Revelation 19:11 Luke 22:36 Ecclesiastes 3:8 Psalm 58:10 1 Timothy 6:12 Deuteronomy 32:43 2 Timothy 2:22 1 Thessalonians 5:3 2 Thessalonians 1:7-9

8 March 2011 at 13:25  
Blogger srizals said...

Bluedog and Johnny,

Well, they were at war right? That is what people do in war you know. It is much better being ended up in a death camp. Look at our current modern day war, (White) people kill and enslave other (Not so white, comparing other criteria might be offensive) people and nation. Iraq has lost its oil, among other things. Afghanistan is still pending to utter ruins. Libya (its oil) is in the picture now. Everyone seems to forget about Palestine. Grow up.

And about that slavery thing, check this out by an African himself in front of Africans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5gJ4e0bV1o

8 March 2011 at 13:37  
Blogger Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Marduk, a prince of evil requested

"Blofeld, which incarnation are you?I hope that you are the "Donald Pleasence" incarnation of Blofeld!"

WRONG!

Donald Pleasence, much too serious, my lad, Ernst is not a Shakespearian villian"

Trust this image answers your question as none other expressed Ernt's wit and intellect better.

Ernst

8 March 2011 at 15:23  
Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

Hmmm, if you say so Srizels, lol.
But I'll see your video and raise you two more:

A black man sick of hearing black men call out the name of Allah

Sudanese muslims stealing children for the Arab slave trade

Continuation from the previous video

Getting back on track with regards the subject of Cranmer's post, let us remember some words of Martin Luther King:

"We will have to repent in this generation,not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people!"

8 March 2011 at 17:19  
Anonymous Gordo said...

"Christians to postpone their petty squabbles and unite along with our brethren the Jews"

Is that a joke? what happened to the churches in Israel? Seriously, try and find out!

8 March 2011 at 17:43  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Mr Srizals @ 13.27, it is widely recognised that all recent Western intervention in Afghanistan and Iraq has been with the aim of preventing human rights violations.

The same would poientially apply to Libya, where the regime is murdering the population.

8 March 2011 at 20:00  
Anonymous Indigo said...

sandmonkey Let it be clear, all those who burned the church should be jailed for Terrorism. Military: those are the people u use martial law on. about 7 hours ago

lala8474 trans RT @zelaky Sheikh Al Azhar calls on Muslims of Aftih to contribute in rebuilding the Church in its place #jan25 #egypt about 7 hours ago

8 March 2011 at 20:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Your Grace will allow, I would like to congratulate some of your communicants for their troll-handling skills!

For example:
The sizzling rizla person gleans this site for material to post on his own blog. To this end, he usually ignores His Grace's thread and, instead, posts anti-British, anti-Christian comments ... these incite responses from communicants. He refutes the responses, then cuts and pastes the lot onto another site, which he links to his monniker.

In presenting himself as "overcoming" our "lies and hate," he apparently considers his garbled contributions so brilliant that none of us here has a leg to stand on. The text reveals a different truth.

Personally, I view the situation as a lesson about the "thought" processing practiced by persecutors like those under discussion today. And I also draw inferences about the relationship between logic and language: Logos and the Word.

In any case, a principal difference between this character and atheist trolls is that, by participating here, the latter tend to improve their writing.

8 March 2011 at 21:28  
Blogger Manfarang said...

Ernst Stavro Blofeld said
7 March 2011 14:54


..and your point or argument being ?
Lebanon has been racked by sectarian conflicts but there are people who can see a solution to these problems.

9 March 2011 at 01:24  
Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

@ Anonymous 21:28

Yes, it makes for confusing reading, as in a curious sense of deja vu and I'm sure I read this somewhere else before...I don't remember commenting on this blog... lol!

9 March 2011 at 06:11  
Blogger srizals said...

Mr. Bluedog, the West never intervenes for the sake of humanity, it has always been for "gold, gospel and glory", in our time, "black gold” would be more precise. If they had such intention, Palestine would have long been free by now. Only when the West had proved its honesty, maybe then everyone on this earth would appreciate and respect them even more than now.

The Bosnian intervention was only to prevent World War 3 at that time. That is why the Serbians' casualties were nothing similar as the Iraqis during the liberation of Kuwait. The Iraqis would not receive warning before the GIs used them for fun as their target practise.

"Surrendering Iraqi troops were also slaughtered. According to a media pool report of February 27:

One Navy pilot, who asked not to be identified, said Iraqis have affixed white flags to their tanks and are riding with turrets open, scanning the skies with their binoculars. The flier said that under allied rules of engagement, pilots were still bombing tanks unless soldiers abandoned the vehicles and left them behind.

The first British pilots to arrive at the scenes of slaughter returned to their base. They protested taking part in attacking defenseless soldiers, but, under threat of court martial, they eventually took part in the massacre."
http://www.countercurrents.org/lagauche280210.htm

"It was like going down an American highway—people were all mixed up in cars in trucks. People got out of their cars and ran away. We shot them.... The Iraqis were getting massacred.—Pfc. Charles Sheehan-Miles, describing March 2, 1991, assault on retreating Iraqi column at Rumaila, Iraq, two days after cease-fire in Gulf War."
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/27e/069.html

9 March 2011 at 09:54  
Blogger srizals said...

The Italian intervened in Libya (and a very late apology to the Libyans, but much better than the British), the democratic French in Algeria, the British in Palestine and Somalia, the USA and the Spanish in the Philippines, May Li, No Gun Ri, they were not humanistic at all Mr. Bluedog. Grow up. The countries left by the Imperialistic West were nothing like Turkey, India and Spain. No glories were left for them. Anyway, how old are you Mr. Bluedog?

"...US commanders repeatedly, and without ambiguity, ordered forces under their control to target and kill Korean refugees caught on the battlefield."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/coldwar/korea_usa_01.shtml

"“There weren’t any friendlies in the village. The orders were to shoot anything that moved.” Another officer said “It could happen to any of us. He has killed and has seen a lot of killing. ..Killing becomes nothing in Vietnam. He knew that there were civilians there, but he also knew that there were VC among them.”"
http://www.pierretristam.com/Bobst/library/wf-200.htm

Watch the body of a girl holding her private part with a baby near it. Maybe this is what is meant by some of us here regarding of sick killer rapists.

The world has suffered the West more than it has suffered any race and religion. Interestingly, they suffered the marauding invading foreigners in their homeland as always. Maybe this is why the West always demonstrate their phobia to the others in their land. Afraid of repeating history perhaps? The West has a chance to remedy its past and move forward. Please don't repeat your mistake. The world would be a better place. Let's just kill the killers of the innocents and helpless and foremost their collaborators. We will have peace.

9 March 2011 at 09:56  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Mr Srizals, you ask how old I am. My reply to that question is always, 'old enough to know better'. But thank you for being sufficiently interested in me to ask.

9 March 2011 at 11:34  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

FYI, BBC R4 news at lunchtime today mentioned clashes between Copts and others, 10 dead I think, at a road block protest over the burning of a church.

9 March 2011 at 14:11  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not just in Egypt either. Redundant churches ‘acquired’ by this ‘religion’ in Britain also seem to be tinder boxes. Another church, this time listed historic St. Michael’s church in Ipswich, has just been destroyed by fire. The remains of the church and any graves will now most likely be bulldozed and planning permission quickly and quietly granted to build a large purpose-built mosque on the valuable site bought for peanuts. How very convenient.

9 March 2011 at 14:24  
Anonymous srizals said...

Hope you are Bluedog, I sincerely hope you are.

9 March 2011 at 14:40  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

The BBC website carries the story, with a video, here. The video caption: ‘The clashes began after the Copts blocked a highway, angering Muslims, witnesses say’.

9 March 2011 at 15:18  
Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

With updated information here:

9 Christians Killed, 150 Injured in Attack By 15,000 Muslims and Egyptian Army

9 March 2011 at 15:22  
Blogger DP111 said...

If you want to know what it will be like in Britain in 20 or 30 years, just watch what is happening in Islamic states as they fight to extend freedom and democracy – burning churches, Christians killed.

And here are the street thugs

http://tundratabloids.com/2011/03/britainistan-a-new-generation-for-change.html

9 March 2011 at 15:43  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Anon @14:24 wrote: Redundant churches ‘acquired’ by this ‘religion’ in Britain also seem to be tinder boxes. Another church, this time listed historic St. Michael’s church in Ipswich, has just been destroyed by fire.

Surely it is sufficient that the good white people of traditional Ipswich breathe. That alone will elicit flames from the mouth of the invading dragon.

Now, who is St. George? Or, indeed, who is the Archangel Michael? Or, indeed, why have we no modern Spitfires?

Oh, wait! We have the coalition, crawling about in the woodwork at Westminster, even as they hand our treasure over to the enemy - the one at home, and those beyond the headland. We have the people, keening as they circling the pyre that is our culture, and as they watch the smoke rise up to heaven.

9 March 2011 at 17:47  
Blogger LeucipottomySpoon82 said...

Non Mouse, you reminded me of this:

"THEN fashioned for him the folk of Geats
firm on the earth a funeral-pile,
and hung it with helmets and harness of war
and breastplates bright, as the boon he asked;
and they laid amid it the mighty chieftain,
heroes mourning their master dear.
Then on the hill that hugest of balefires
the warriors wakened. Wood-smoke rose
black over blaze, and blent was the roar
of flame with weeping (the wind was still),
till the fire had broken the frame of bones,
hot at the heart. In heavy mood
their misery moaned they, their master's death.
Wailing her woe, the widow {41a} old,
her hair upbound, for Beowulf's death
sung in her sorrow, and said full oft
she dreaded the doleful days to come,
deaths enow, and doom of battle,
and shame. -- The smoke by the sky was devoured.
The folk of the Weders fashioned there
on the headland a barrow broad and high,
by ocean-farers far descried:
in ten days' time their toil had raised it,
the battle-brave's beacon. Round brands of the pyre
a wall they built, the worthiest ever
that wit could prompt in their wisest men.
They placed in the barrow that precious booty,
the rounds and the rings they had reft erewhile,
hardy heroes, from hoard in cave, --
trusting the ground with treasure of earls,
gold in the earth, where ever it lies
useless to men as of yore it was.
Then about that barrow the battle-keen rode,
atheling-born, a band of twelve,
lament to make, to mourn their king,
chant their dirge, and their chieftain honor.
They praised his earlship, his acts of prowess
worthily witnessed: and well it is
that men their master-friend mightily laud,
heartily love, when hence he goes
from life in the body forlorn away.

Thus made their mourning the men of Geatland,
for their hero's passing his hearth-companions:
quoth that of all the kings of earth,
of men he was mildest and most beloved,
to his kin the kindest, keenest for praise."

9 March 2011 at 20:02  
Anonymous non mouse said...

:) :) :)

9 March 2011 at 20:15  
Anonymous len said...

Srizels,
See you are still at it!
Carrying out your role as 'agent provocateur'.?

To gather material for your blog perhaps?

What goes on behind the inscrutable mask?

9 March 2011 at 23:50  
Anonymous MrJ said...

FYI_Insularity?: It may be that "srizels" has concerns connected with historic and current relations between the peoples of Indonesia and environs and the peoples of Europe and the offshoots now in the American and Pacific regions, which could be as worth attention in another forum as the concerns which preoccupy most commentators here? But current news about UK arms exports may give many here discomfort.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jtHwfc6Z3N4TAmbjtdMoG-r2smQw?docId=CNG.0c88465f3b8d86ddafe09537f1f1aae2.151

10 March 2011 at 20:08  

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