Monday, March 14, 2011

Eric Pickles ceases ‘sponsorship’ of the Muslim Council of Britain and its associated bodies

Another interesting snippet of Hansard:
8 Mar 2011 : Column 952W
Andrew Griffiths:
To ask the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government what individual payments his Department made to (a) the Muslim Council of Britain and (b) its associated bodies in each of the last three years; and for what purpose in each case.

Andrew Stunell: The Department for Communities and Local Government provided £2,500 to the Muslim Council of Britain for a guest table at the council leadership dinner held on 22 February 2010. DCLG has not provided any further funding to the Muslim Council of Britain for the organisation to undertake work or projects.

For an interim period, funding for the Mosques and Imams National Advisory Board (MINAB) was routed through the council as one of MINAB's founding members as MINAB had not then acquired independent charitable status, and as a result did not have its own bank account. Funding for MINAB was made directly to them as soon as they became an independent organisation. The funding was to support them to improve standards in mosques (£116,000 in 2008-09 and £58,000 in 2009-10).

Muslim Council of Britain has a large and wide ranging national membership of organisations that are affiliated to it. Of these, DCLG has funded the following organisations through the Community Leadership Fund:
Muslim Youth Helpline-£30,650 (2008-09), £61,888 (2009-10), £64,767 (2010-11) to build their capacity to extend the reach of their support services to vulnerable young people,
Karimia Institute-£67,180 (2008-09), £50,000 (2009-10), £50,000 (2010-11) for youth leadership training.
Islamic Society of Britain-£20,000 (2008-09) for developing the Islamic Awareness Week website to promote positive understanding of Islam to other communities.
Young Muslims UK-£20,000 (2008-09), £5,000 (2009-10) to promote talent among young Muslims
Muslim Aid-£5,000 (2009-10) for part-sponsorship of Muslim Aid's 25th Anniversary.
These figures refer to spending under Labour. Please don’t ask about the £2,500 of taxpayers’ money for one table at the MCB’s leadership dinner: it must have been halal caviar.

The Department for Communities and Local Government was doubtless happy to answer Andrew Griffiths’ question in the new spirit of transparency. Under Eric Pickles, the DCLG does not meet with the MCB at all and the department has stopped the sponsorship of such awards/dinner events across the board. There is some legacy spend on MINAB in 2010-11, but that was unavoidable as it was one of Labour’s blank cheques (signed in April 2010!).

His Grace is delighted that all DCLG spending over £500 is now available for scrutiny online.

He is also delighted by the new direction taken by the Conservatives at the helm of this department, exemplified in support for the ‘Near Neighbours’ initiative with the Church of England, which didn’t happen under Labour.

It is good to know that this department is now investing in those organisations which foster peace and community cohesion, and not in those which promote division and cause sectarian strife. Another three cheers for Eric Pickles.

36 Comments:

Blogger john in cheshire said...

Wonderful news. Let's hope they don't change their mind. The Government has no business giving my money to such organisations.

14 March 2011 at 10:41  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Good news. Hopefully the EHRC & Stonewall will be next.

14 March 2011 at 11:07  
Blogger Shlomo said...

Islamic Society of Britain-£20,000 (2008-09) for developing the Islamic Awareness Week website to promote positive understanding of Islam to other communities.

I am apoplectic at this in particular, Your Grace. It is this funding that demonstrates just how divorced from reality the civil servants who approved this are. Islamic propaganda (da'wah) from an organisation established by Jamaat-e Islaami activists funded by taxpayers!

14 March 2011 at 11:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Your Grace , when did you engage Nick Griffin to write for you?!:-)

Marcus

14 March 2011 at 11:18  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

A step in the right direction.
This analysis suggests that support for Islam is contrary to the Christian faith and should be banned:
http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/god.htm

14 March 2011 at 11:26  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

When the State gives money to any group whether religious or otherwise it should be for a specific social purpose, for example funding the Salvation Army to help support the homeless. There should be no financial support for vague ideas like “social integration”.

14 March 2011 at 12:09  
Anonymous Dreadnaught said...

’Another three cheers for Eric Pickles’ says HG

Fair enough sentiment in principle - but these piddling amounts are just the tip of the iceberg. What is needed is root and branch reform of the entire funds paid for by UK Taxpayers to mollify the UK’s followers of the religion of pees.

Muslim groups in the town (LUTON) where the Stockholm suicide bomber lived have been handed more than £550,000 of taxpayers’ money to combat extremism but have failed to tip off police about a single terror suspect. The grants were handed out to mosques, schools and women’s projects by Luton council to prevent young Muslims being radicalized.

http://undhimmi.com/2010/12/18/bomber-towns-muslims-get-us-860000-to-fight-extremism-from-uk-govt-result-nada/

Or how about this.
Apart from the question ‘WHY’ either outfit should receive public cash anyway:-
’The Christian Police Association (CPA) has been given £15,000 over the past five years while the National Association of Muslim Police (NAMP) was paid £90,000 in the past two years alone, according to Home Office figures’.

http://news.uk.msn.com/forum/thread.aspx?thread=00000071-0000-0000-a219-1a0000000000&board=00000071-0328-0000-0000-000000000000

14 March 2011 at 12:16  
Blogger English Viking said...

Near Neighbours is ecumenical tosh that should not have a penny of tax-payers cash wasted on it.

14 March 2011 at 12:23  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

While we are on the topic of Islam (yet again, talk about over representation in every media sphere), is this over the top or just calling a spade a spade.

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/03/muslim-immigration-into-uk-part-four.html

Whilst I am not saying I fully agree with this, I am a firm believer in straight talking and alas that is something that is severely lacking in Britain today due to the fear of persecution by the Diversity Mafia.

14 March 2011 at 12:55  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Another three cheers for Eric Pickles.

Eric applies a sticking plaster to the malignant tumour growing inside Britain. Nice try, Eric, but unless the tumour is excised the patient will die.

❛The United Kingdom is expected to have the largest increase in the number of Muslims in Europe in the next 20 years. The number of Muslims in the UK is projected to almost double from 2·9 million in 2010 to 5·6 million in 2030. By 2030, Muslims are expected to make up 8·2% of the UK’s population, up from 4·6% in 2010.❜—The Pew Forum

❛… while the biggest Christian population is among [the] over-70s bracket, for Muslims it is the under-4s.❜—The Times

14 March 2011 at 13:45  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

I am not sure if this initiative has been thought through properly.

Now that the maxim ‘He who pays the piper calls the tune’ is effectively extinguished, what results may follow?

First, there is now nothing to restrain those excluded.

Secondly, the Judaeo-Christian religion has all but collapsed. One of its functions was to ensure that those who are now excluded were doubtful as to the fundamentals of their religion.

Thirdly, Secularism (supported by the civil and criminal law) defines all religions as having the same status. This will mean that the excluded have no fundamental reason to believe that theirs is inferior – and this risks their numbers growing through isolation and insulation.

The way to impose doubts upon the adherents of all other religions is to give Judaeo-Christianity the pre-eminent position.

Secularism cannot intercept and correct their super-natural belief system – only another super-natural belief system can challenge and do that. (An unconfident Cof E cannot bring social cohesion – it can only bring a greater degree of polarisation.)

It is note-worthy that their religion arose in the West when the graph-line of Judaeo-Christianity nose-dived and the Secular graph-line rose.

14 March 2011 at 14:13  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

D. Singh ... what is going on? I could always rely on you for clarity.

"He who pays the piper" does not apply to Islam. They have a higher authority they can appeal to - diversity.

If you have ever had to apply for government funding (as I have) then you will find that your organisation has to jump through all sorts of hoops to prove your "secular fundamentalist orthodoxy" (e.g. an equalities & diversity policy etc).

Muslim organisations, on the other hand, simply get the money because to deny them would go against their own doctrine of equality & diversity. Do you honestly think that some local authority mandarin is going to refuse funding to an Islamic group funding because of their lack of gay-friendly policies?

14 March 2011 at 14:30  
Blogger Marie1797 said...

@Graham Davis

“When the State gives money to any group whether religious or otherwise it should be for a specific social purpose, for example funding the Salvation Army to help support the homeless. There should be no financial support for vague ideas like “social integration”.”

There desperately needs to be more social interaction and reading what the Near Neighbours is about seems to be what has been lacking here for many years.
Of course if the gov. valued the Church more and gave less ££ to fund the Islamisation of the UK and more to fund integration and assimilation things might not have become so bad.

The Church has more than one role to play in society it can unite people in many ways through different activities where foreign citizens can learn our values and our language. When I was young the Franciscan monks visited our Church and schools and took us on long nature walks in the summer evenings after regular school. It was lovely and very popular. Of course, with all the extreme health and safety regulations and political correctness if it would be allowed anymore.

If new families to an area are encouraged to join free church activity groups (without necessarily going to church or becoming a Christian) like bread making and cooking for women, story telling and English reading for children to compliment the school’s English language and literature curriculum, nature walks, music groups, swimming clubs, Art groups the list is endless with enough funding and enthusiasm it will reduce the insularity of some neighbourhoods’ And if there are enough activities available on a list one of them is bound to be appealing so all foreign families should have to attend for at least a year.

14 March 2011 at 14:33  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Rebel Saint

'Muslim organisations, on the other hand, simply get the money because to deny them would go against their own doctrine of equality & diversity'.

They get the money not because of 'equality & diversity' but because of the Government's Contest strategy.

14 March 2011 at 14:35  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Pickles knows from his time in Bradford what these grants are really for. It is communal Politics as practised on the Subcontinent to buy votes by funding Vote-Farmers who deliver the ballot forms.

Labour is so deep into inner-city politics that it has to pay Baksheesh to get its franchise. Public money is slush.

It has nothing to do with the proclaimed purpose and everything to do with Communal Politics.

14 March 2011 at 15:06  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

The paradox is, when all has been said and done: the State policy of secularism leads to radicalization.

If the minority of secularists cannot live consistently with the implications of a materilaist world-view: then how can vast swathes of the population be expected to do so?

They cannot. The reverse happens as men seek to flee subjectivity to find meaning in the super-natural.

14 March 2011 at 15:29  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ D. Singh (14:13)—The way to impose doubts upon the adherents of all other religions is to give Judaeo-Christianity the pre-eminent position.

I don’t know about other religions but, from what I know of Islam, it is impervious to doubt: Islam abrogates all other religions and those who reject Allah will burn in Hell. Full stop.

In any case, special treatment for Christianity would survive only as long as Muslims were in a minority. When Muslims become the majority population and gain power, Britain’s Christian era will be over.

14 March 2011 at 15:31  
Anonymous Voyager said...

the Judaeo-Christian religion has all but collapsed.

Actually it has not. It is rather like it started out as a group tolerated but despised by The State. It was a splinter group which revitalised Judaism atrophying under the corruption of the social elites of the Sanhedrin who secured their own status by collaborating with Rome.

It survived persecution from Rome until coopted by Constantine and fused with Roman paganism.

It revitalised itself with Martin Luther fighting the corrupt depravity of the Roman Church and the secular luxury of the Bishop of Mainz.

It became moribund leading Wesley to split off, and then Newman and his Oxford Movement. It took a hammering from the First World War.

14 March 2011 at 15:57  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The simple fact is that the genuflection to Christianity and its Judaic roots has ceased to be so widespread and superficial as David Cameron embodies.

I suspect Real Christianity is deeply woven into this society but is underground, is fragmented outside the Established Churches. That house churches and small groups meet, some are Messianic Jews or Protestant groups...but the church should not be confused with Christianity since many Christians function happily outside The Church as such

Christians worshipped in synagogues until 70 years after Christ's death, had their Sabbath on a Saturday until Rome changed it.

Society may be a mess but it is no different from the world Christ entered, probably much better

14 March 2011 at 16:08  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

Marie1797

I fully accept that some people are motivated to do good works because of their religious beliefs and doing good (whatever the reason) is of course to be commended. I also accept that in the past the Christian Church played a much greater social and community role than it does today. But those days have gone. Society is more fractured now, most families have both parents working and of course we have the scourge of family breakdown and the failed experiment that is multiculturalism.

The past cannot be reinvented as so many here seem to wish. To most ordinary people religion now is irrelevant so it is unlikely to be a major influence in social integration or anything else for that matter. Religion can cause social divisions as well as heal them so if religious communities want to work for what they consider to be the common good let them get on with it, without State funding.

14 March 2011 at 16:44  
Anonymous not a machine said...

I think Eric Pickles has done a good job in what perhaps was one of the most slushy of slush funding departments . I Regret that it is considered unparliamentary to use the words fraud . £113mn went on preventing terrorism in labours last budget alas no one could say where it went , the same for £135mn in dementia funding (nhs budget).

£2500 for a table seat , and what/where did the hosts funding do ??. I may have some more for him. Having watched on the TV Liam fox round on Jim Murphy over defense cuts and a very thoughtfull pm statement , I enjoyed Bernard Jenkins question (well I would I suppose) and Sir Peter Tapsells. The lack of willing aside and the differnet situation to Iraq , I presume gaddafi is still in trouble, goodness knows if you can negioate exile with multiple arrest warrants after you . It will perhaps be the EUs shame if the free libyans are cleansed .

14 March 2011 at 17:23  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Dreadnaught @ 12:16 :

You speak sooth!

You are entirely correct, this is indeed merely the tip of the iceberg.

Wherever it is possible, throughout the length and breadth of Britain, Muslim groups are organised to take advantage of owt that is on offer. From the Prince's Trust to local grants; business start-up schemes to translation/translator services; from prison-visiting Imans to lottery projects, you will find a disproportionate application from one or another of the many Islamic organisations.

Our present God-awful economic situation may, perversely, offer some solace. I'd rather be poor and British, than suffer any further, State sponsored, ingress of Islam!

14 March 2011 at 17:55  
Anonymous Voyager said...

I fully accept that some people are motivated to do good works because of their religious beliefs

Yes but that is not really what Christianity is about. It is a Roman Catholic innovation and alien to Protestants. Sola Fide.

14 March 2011 at 19:37  
Blogger Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Eric Pickles sticks one thumb in a hole, of a Dam that is peppered with them. Hope he has more than 2 thumbs to rely on but it's a start!

Your Grace, it appears from your tweet 'Is @DrEvanHarris making an aggravated pitch for the leadership of the LibDems?' that the old proverb finds a well deserved example.

He may be constituency free but 'The devil finds work (or mischief) for idle hands to do..'

Some ex politicians remind Ernst of ageing movie stars or singers, who just never know when to call it a day.

This is one I wish would disappear into obscurity.

E S Blofeld

14 March 2011 at 23:45  
Anonymous not a machine said...

If any lesson from chernobly (and may I add the fogotten heros of the initial low tech attempt to deal with it) it is to get on with a sarcogous to limit any air release from the heat of the molten core , this may well be one incident where Japanese industry will prove some new methods. Let us hope it is not as bad as projected and has some rapid attention and effort to find an engineering solution .
I had accepted a need for limited new nuclear power stations in the UK , but isnt it rather ironic that Prince Charles should have show cased last week ,one of his trust for the built enviroment, low energy eco homes which does not require central heating and only a small log fire for cold months.

15 March 2011 at 00:43  
Anonymous Oswin said...

not a machine :

Post whatever continues to happen in Japan, ready yourself for the tellng of the biggest load of lies ever, in defence of nuclear power!

15 March 2011 at 01:18  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Nuclear power may not be free, but it potentially limitless. Thus it shows that mankind has the potential to create enough energy to support the WHOLE of humanity well into the distant future.

Which is WHY this attack on the Japanese nuclear industry has been made by the powers that be, and not for the first time either.

For there is little doubt that this is a deliberate attempt to destroy nuclear energy as a viable alternative to Oil, along with all similar sources of energy.

The fact that tens of thousands of human beings have been sacrificed for this end, is of NO importance whatsoever to the people who caused these earthquakes.

Many Japanese people know only too well why this has happened to them, and who has done it. The fact that this is not being reported on our media, is of little surprise to them. This because a similar attempt was made only a few years ago, which was not reported anywhere on the western media. Although it was on the Japanese,and Russian media and was also a subject of debate in the Japanese, and Russian parliament at the time.

The powers that be decided a long time ago that the answer to the world increasing power consumption was not to be an increase in the generation of population free, or indeed cheaper energy. But the radical reduction of the worlds population using a variety of methods including, forcing the price of food and energy through the proverbial roof.

15 March 2011 at 01:57  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Atlass shrugged:

Eh, you what ???

15 March 2011 at 02:02  
Blogger Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Atlas shlurred as he sank his 12th pint?? 15 March 2011 01:57

"Eh, you what ???" Oswin stated and Ernst can only agree.

My dear boy, whatever it is that you are pouring down that throat at this time of night, please desist immediately. Or at least try Heineken as I believe they have dropped the alcohol content so that people don't state silly things like you have just done.
Are you mixing alcohol and medication perhaps?

Listen to old Ernst and Oswin. Strong black coffee...There's a fine lad.

A concerned Ernst

15 March 2011 at 02:19  
Anonymous not a machine said...

I had just about given up Oswin , as under the brown terror (whose brother is in the nuclear industry) any enquiry was full of conflicting energy information. I am pleased some small scale projects have been tried . It is undeniable cost per kw for nuclear is low , but they never factor in decomissioning or repository facility or fuel processing. My argument was that it was better to use the expensive high quality steels and alloys in sytems of power generation that you could recycle much more easily, rather than them becoming radioactive waste to be sealed and buried for 25000 yrs.

It isnt so much that they arnt marvels of the technological age , its that we may need to think differently , by the time the new ones come on line anyway.

As for japan unlike chernobly the lower area is still inundated with water , the problem is the mass , one giant molten blob , is undergoing fisson , and you cant really just spray it with water (run off will be contaminated), or if its a big blob move it to encase it , which basically means that unless you can seperate the molten mass (highly radioactive), you have to encase it . i dont know how you would stop the heat/fisson or how long a high fisson rate will continue (they are fuelled for many years , so may depend on how recently fuelled). The problem will be encasing it and ensuring underneath does not contaminate ocean , which may mean some sort of robotic removal of core breaking it up and putting into glass , or bits that have melted , depends if its few rods or most of it .given you can have driverless vehicles, robotic plant now they may have a totally new approach to immediate damaged reactor vessel.Although will still leave a big expensive clean up even with core removed and buried or no go area for many years.

15 March 2011 at 02:22  
Blogger Ernst Stavro Blofeld said...

Did Atlas insinuate anyone in particular 15 March 2011 01:57

"Many Japanese people know only too well why this has happened to them, and who has done it. The fact that this is not being reported on our media, is of little surprise to them. This because a similar attempt was made only a few years ago, which was not reported anywhere on the western media. Although it was on the Japanese,and Russian media and was also a subject of debate in the Japanese, and Russian parliament at the time."

Diamonds Are Forever was a movie, my dear boy, Ernst strongly denied rumours to the Japanese and Russian media that SPECTRE had reunited, like that boy band Take That..

Next you'll be claiming I have taken over His Grace's residence and have His Grace held hostage like the reclusive billionaire Willard Whyte from said movie in a bedsit in Tower Hamlets, whilst Ernst is busy tapping away on 'His Nib's' PC.
Hmm. I feel a comeback is due for old Ernst and all I needed was a good plotline.

Cheers Atlas, step aside Dominic Greene, Ernst is back. Might even get LLoyd Webber to do a musical of me. LICENCE RENEWED!

E S Blofeld

ps
Get a grip, my lad.

15 March 2011 at 03:14  
Anonymous Voyager said...

to get on with a sarcogous to limit any air release from the heat of the molten core

You don't think the Russians had to do this because their reactor design was different ? They did not have the same containment vessels in the facility because Russian design cut corners.

The GE/Hitachi design in Japan is very differently constructed. The Russians cut corners:

* A more significant flaw was in the design of the control rods that are inserted into the reactor to slow down the reaction. In the RBMK reactor design, the lower part of each control rod was made of graphite and was 1.3 meters shorter than necessary, and in the space beneath the rods were hollow channels filled with water. The upper part of the rod—the truly functional part that absorbs the neutrons and thereby halts the reaction—was made of boron carbide. With this design, when the rods are inserted into the reactor from the uppermost position, the graphite parts initially displace some coolant. This greatly increases the rate of the fission reaction, since graphite (in the RBMK) is a more potent neutron moderator (absorbs far fewer neutrons than the boiling light water). Thus for the first few seconds of control rod activation, reactor power output is increased, rather than reduced as desired. This behavior is counter-intuitive and was not known to the reactor operators.

* Other deficiencies besides these were noted in the RBMK-1000 reactor design, as were its non-compliance with accepted standards and with the requirements of nuclear reactor safety.

15 March 2011 at 05:20  
Anonymous Dreadnaught said...

Has Atlast - skipped blogs? - if not he has certainly skipped something!

15 March 2011 at 07:23  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Mr Atlas shrugged: 'The fact that tens of thousands of human beings have been sacrificed for this end, is of NO importance whatsoever to the people who caused these earthquakes.'

'...the people who caused these earthquakes.'
!!??

Pardon?

15 March 2011 at 10:39  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Voyager : My knowledge is general , whilst designs do differ due to some hard lessons about safety , When a core melts , the fuel rods melt and can set on fire. As far as i know all cores are suceptable to gravity when they melt .We are told the new ones can function without liquid coolant if it fails as they have convection cooling.

Chernobly had no safety once becoming molten (other than a bottom to drop into), unlike the japanese ones which despite the most extreme of paramters have held (although not long enough) in a slower way to chernobly , in that the core still melts into an uncontrolled fisson via gravity .Once in this form it cannot be resurrected into its previous state of rods and neutron absorbers , containment is then the only solution.

15 March 2011 at 18:53  
Anonymous Radical Masculist said...

Eric Pickles is my hero.

The Government has no business donating to religious organisations.

In fact, I do not think they should be exempt from tax/or automatically given charity status.

16 March 2011 at 01:50  

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