Thursday, March 24, 2011

Thank Allah for Veena Malik

It's quite easy to suffix this with 'As the actress said to the bishop...', but that would be to trivialise one of the most formidable clashes of the Islam of love with what Jesus might have termed the Islam of 'whited sepulchres', except this mullah isn't even beautiful on the outside.

Plea to the BBC: put her on Question Time.


(Blessings to Nick Cohen at the Spectator's Coffee House)


Blogger AncientBriton said...

Thank you for that Your Grace.
One is tempted to ask, 'Why, what evil has she done?'

24 March 2011 at 19:30  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Hail to the stout-hearted lass! Oh, it did my heart good. She sure stuffed it to that po-faced, prating, ranting prat! Bravo Meena Malik, bravo!

24 March 2011 at 19:30  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

What a fiery gal, where does she keep her tattoo, a brave lady who just wants to be normal.

Normal works, normal is right.

"What are the politicians doing? Bribery, robbery, theft and killing"

Oh yes she should be on question time.

24 March 2011 at 19:54  
Anonymous Charlie said...

She'll be dead before Spring is finished.

24 March 2011 at 20:02  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

if muslims want to proclaim, let them do it somewhere else. I don't want them anywhere near our country.

24 March 2011 at 20:10  
Blogger John Kenzy said...

God Damned mixed up people. The notion of bringing shame upon Pakistan is hilarious>>the place is a weapons grade shit hole.

24 March 2011 at 20:20  
Blogger OldSouth said...

Good for her! But to echo Charlie, unless she departs for the UK, Ireland, Scandinavia, Canada, or US, her life is in danger. And in parts of those places, she may not be entirely safe.

God bless her, and keep her safe. Hope the Beebeecee invites her in, from which location she may apply for asylum for herself and her family.

24 March 2011 at 20:22  
Anonymous MrJ said...

" the name of Allah, most merciful, most compassionate": has the subtitle mistranslated Mufti Sahib's words?

24 March 2011 at 21:09  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Good for her. Let's hope she doesn't pay the ultimate price of pissing off the fundamentalist nutters.

24 March 2011 at 21:14  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ MrJ (21:09)—Allah is compassionate and merciful to those who do exactly as He tells them. Whether Miss Malik falls into that category is open to debate.

24 March 2011 at 21:19  
Anonymous Voyager said...


She is quite fiery, highly desirable

24 March 2011 at 22:35  
Anonymous len said...

I don`t know what this Lady did to bring such condemnation down upon her head ,but it must have been a lot worse than some of the atrocities that occur and don`t even get a mention.

24 March 2011 at 22:36  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Johnny R__And may one who is not well read in the Islamic texts be forgiven for regarding Miss Malik as having shown that Mufti Sahib was failing in that respect?

24 March 2011 at 22:37  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ MrJ (22:37)—I have a sinking feeling that Allah would take the Mufti’s side. The Qur’an makes it clear that women are inferior to men (‘Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other’), it favours men over women in matters of marriage, divorce, inheritance, and testimony, and the Prophet Mohammed declared that women were deficient in intelligence and religion. Islam is a male-centred religion, and Miss Malik is brave, or foolhardy, to challenge it.

24 March 2011 at 23:02  
Anonymous Lady Virginia Droit de Seigneur said...

I admire her courage but also fear for her. I enjoyed the most the bit when she pointed out that as an imam he was only allowed to look at a woman once so from his behaviour to her he deserved to be punished - of course these weird beards do not apply strict moral codes to their own behaviour only to women and others they can bully.

And we still let many people into Britain from this medieval (but far from the worst) thoecracy.

Just shut the borders to Pakistani immigrants now - even if they have married one of their cousins.

24 March 2011 at 23:18  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Johnny R__Somewhere it is written that scholars (such as Patricia Crone and Michael Cook) have reason to propose that the Qur'an is a less than a perfect text and many who make harsh claims in its name may be in error. Veena Malik and the other defiant women are truly brave against such tyranny.

24 March 2011 at 23:22  
Anonymous IanCad said...

There is still hope for Pakistan. What a contrast this courageous, high spirited, passionate woman makes with the primitive, cowardly and misogynistic mullahs.
I pray that she dosen't end up like Shahbaz Bhatti and Salman Tazeer.

24 March 2011 at 23:32  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ MrJ (23:22)—The Qur’an certainly appears to Western eyes as less than perfect. It contradicts and repeats itself and it is sometimes unfathomable even to scholars, but Muslims believe it is the word of Allah, a perfect copy of the Mother Book that has always been in Paradise with Allah, and belief dismisses all criticism. It is odd, though, that Mohammed’s domestic arrangements and sex life should form part of Allah’s revealed truth for all eternity…

24 March 2011 at 23:40  
Anonymous srizals said...

"the Prophet Mohammed declared that women were deficient in intelligence and religion."

Proof please?

25 March 2011 at 04:30  
Anonymous Gordo said...

I actually feel quite sorry for people like that as when the inevitable racial conflict comes there will be no place for them.

Perhaps Mr. Cohen's co-religionists in Israel would give her sanctuary.

25 March 2011 at 05:42  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

How depressing. :(

More religionists trying to control other people according to their distorted view of the world.

Anyone watch the Big Questions on BBC1 on Sundays? Pakistan is not the only place where religionists try that on TV.

Yuck. *shudder*

25 March 2011 at 06:16  
Blogger Harry-ca-Nab said...

Wow, I'd like her on my side!

I fear that even now the Islamist lunatics will be gunning for her.

Yes, a definite for Question Time -but who do you think must be on the panel for her to have a good go at?

25 March 2011 at 08:37  
Blogger Span Ows said...

IanCad, I agree entirely but fear Charlie and Harry-ca-Nab could be right. Wonderful, she could do more for Pakistan and Pakistanis' image in 5 minutes than all their politicians and apologists do in a year.

25 March 2011 at 09:04  
Blogger Harry-ca-Nab said...

I spoke too soon..

Check out her website - she, and her parents, have already been sent death threats.

25 March 2011 at 09:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Plea to the BBC: put Nick Griffin on Question Time again.

But this time, don’t change the programme format to that of a bear pit. Let the people hear what he has to say. It’s called impartiality.


25 March 2011 at 10:43  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is rare indeed to see genuine courage.
Every blessing on her.

25 March 2011 at 10:52  
Anonymous Sage said...

Pakistan's Islamic establishment needs to be questioned and challenged. In fact all religions need to be questioned and challenged. Religious leaders of al faiths are getting away with hypocrisy.

25 March 2011 at 12:03  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ srizals (04:30)—Sahih Bukhari Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301, Narrated Abu Said al-Khudri:

The women asked, ‘O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?’ He said, ‘Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?’ They replied in the affirmative. He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women replied in the affirmative. He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religion.’

25 March 2011 at 13:24  
Blogger François said...

Even in the heat of polemics, controversies, etc Hindustani, or Urdu, if you will, does not lose its beauty, its poetic quality.

I'll straightaway compose scrolls of ghazals in honour of Veena Malik.

25 March 2011 at 13:46  
Anonymous Paul said...

Ms Malik was right...A pox on the Mufti...

25 March 2011 at 15:00  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Behold : men not overwhelmed by a beautiful woman or by "chivalry".

25 March 2011 at 15:03  
Anonymous srizals said...

I don't blame you Johnny, even Muslims misunderstood this hadith by simply ignoring the other half of it regarding the same occasion.

The first part of the occasion,
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

The second part of the same occasion,

•"I attended Eid prayers with the Prophet (PBUH), and (after his death) with Abu Bakr, `Umar and `Uthman. All of them used to perform the prayer before the khutbah. The Prophet (PBUH) came down (from the minbar) - and it is as if I can see him now, gesturing to them to sit down - then he would come through the crowd, until he reached the women. Bilal was with him, and he recited: ( O Prophet! When believing women come to you to take the oath of fealty to you, that they will not associate anything whatever with Allah . . .) (Qur'an 60:12), until the end of the ayah. Then he said, `Are you adhering to that?' Only one woman answered, `Yes, O Prophet of Allah (PBUH),' and he did not know at that time who she was. He said, `Then give sadaqah,' and Bilal spread out his cloak. The Prophet (PBUH) said, `Come on, may my father and my mother be sacrificed for you!' So they began to throw their rings and jewellery onto Bilal's cloak."

(Fath al-Bari, 2/466, Kitab al-'idayn, bab maw'izat al-imam al-nisa'a yawn al-'id; Sahih Muslim, 6/171, Kitab salat al-'idayn.)

He was addressing the women to encourage them to support Islamic cause by sacrificing their jewelry, Johnny. He was mentioning the deficiency of the women compared with men, in order for them to not be one, by reminding them about their weaknesses, as he did for men, and all humans,

25 March 2011 at 15:47  
Anonymous srizals said...

25 March 2011 at 15:54  
Blogger Windsor Tripehound said...

He was addressing the women to encourage them to support Islamic cause by sacrificing their jewelry, Johnny. He was mentioning the deficiency of the women compared with men, in order for them to not be one, by reminding them about their weaknesses, as he did for men, and all humans,

To quote the Duke of Wellington, "If you believe that you'll believe anything!"

25 March 2011 at 15:58  
Anonymous Voyager said...

srizals has no comment on Veena Malik whatsoever but indluges in generalities.

That is most strange, very, very odd indeed

25 March 2011 at 16:42  
Blogger LobotomySpoon82 said...

I like a woman with spirit.

25 March 2011 at 16:43  
Blogger LobotomySpoon82 said...

This video demonstrates why it is never a good idea to pick an argument with a woman. They have better verbal skills than men.

25 March 2011 at 16:56  
Anonymous Oswin said...

I've had a word with Miss Malik's theatrical agent. He's agreed to the lovely lady appearing in an episode of ''Wife Swap' ... Mrs. Srizals has agreed too! :o)

(to be held on neutral territory)

25 March 2011 at 17:34  
Blogger Span Ows said...

Windsor Tripehound said...

"If you believe that you'll believe anything!" he proves on here quite regularly! :-)

25 March 2011 at 17:38  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ srizals (15:47 and later)—If Islam wants to tie itself in knots proving that every word and deed of the Prophet was perfect, that’s its problem. I can only observe that, in elevating such a figure to the status of the ideal man, Islam creates no end of trouble for itself and for the rest of the world.

25 March 2011 at 17:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

PBUH - Peanut Butter upon him.

25 March 2011 at 19:26  
Blogger peggy38 said...


It is clear even from the context that you provided that Mohammed, switched from speaking to the women specifically and began talking about women in general.

To go with your logic, the law that says that it takes two women to equal one man, only applies to these women. And also these women would have to be the only women who menstruated.

Since the law that says that it takes two women to equal the testimony of one man applies to all women, when Mohammed said that this is proof of a woman's deficient intelligence, it applied to all women.

Since it can be safely said that all women menstruate, then Mohammed is saying that this natural fact means that women are deficient in religion.

We can read you know and we know a little something about context ourselves. I also have a strong feeling that the interpretation that you favor is of rather recent origin. I would bet that until relatively recently, the passage was interpreted as just what it clearly says, that Mohammed affirmed that women are deficient in intelligence and religion. Its a nifty trick to try and say that the important point of the passage is at the end and to ignore everything that comes in between as unimportant embellishments to the story, but it to anyone with eyes several things are going on and there are several points to the passage. It is not at all negligible that Mohammed out and out says that women are deficient by nature.

But hey, you got to do what you got to do to gloss over the facts so you can sleep at night. So go ahead. In the meantime, the rest of us will live in reality.

25 March 2011 at 20:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When does she get gaoled for blasphemy/shot at whilst the police have their backs turned/gang raped to maintain social order (delete as you see fit)?

She is one brave Pakistani lady.

25 March 2011 at 22:08  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Each has a role and compliment one another.

26 March 2011 at 00:01  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

François said..."Even in the heat of polemics, controversies, etc Hindustani, or Urdu, if you will, does not lose its beauty, its poetic quality."

One day Britons will recall their ancient maritime links with Sri Lanka and the Indic peoples will find peace.

26 March 2011 at 01:07  
Blogger Derek said...

Interpretation, translations, religion. First came the latter, quickly followed by the former, for the benefit of mankind's guiding lights.

Mankind's weaknesses have always been a thorn in his side, as without the other sex he is nothing more than an ornament, destined to break and cast aside.

Islam cannot stand the thought of women as equals, it is beneath their doctrine - why? Do not seek or quote from any book of words revered as they may be, but seek the answer in your minds. If no answer can be found other than from what someone else has written eons ago, and been translated by many and various ever since, then it's about time that particular doctrine was cast asunder for the benefit of all.

If Islam is the religion of Love, why does it produce such hatred to the point of killing those who wish to live other than as slaves to such a religion?

26 March 2011 at 09:42  
Anonymous Anonymous the Third (the elder) said...

Glad someone spoke out. well said Lass

26 March 2011 at 10:30  
Anonymous len said...

There was only one perfect man to walk this Earth and all who claim to be His equal should be compared to Him.

You shall know them by their fruits.
'By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles'?
Matthew 7:16

26 March 2011 at 15:51  
Blogger ais cotten19 said...

the only thing I found offensive about the section of Koran quoted above was the notion that women are less intelligent than men, and that they are considered spiritually deficient. Other than that, it was pure gold as usual.

26 March 2011 at 20:43  

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