Thursday, April 21, 2011

Arnold Schwarzenegger, President of Europe?

President of the European Council, to be precise. But it amounts to pretty much the same thing.

To be honest, His Grace has no idea if this report is true or not (it started here, and has spread here and here), but it is certainly an intriguing (and highly entertaining) prospect. Having served two terms as Governor of California, and barred from following his fellow thespian Ronald Reagan in running for The White House, Arnold Schwarzenegger does appear to have hit something of a political brick wall.

Being Austrian-born prohibits him from becoming President of the United States (Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of the US Constitution). But it is just the ticket he needs to succeed Herman Van Rompuy. If this were an EU-wide plebiscite, the outcome would be foregone. Although both men are Roman Catholic and 63 years old, Van Rompuy is obscure and unknown, while Schwarzenegger is a global brand. It is interesting that his former chief of staff, Terry Tamminen, talks of the need for a higher-profile man – a Washington or Jefferson of a new unified Europe. It’s certainly true, as he says, that ‘the French do not want a German, and Germans do not want an Italian’: that’s why we’ve got a Belgian.

The prospect of President Schwarzenegger brought to mind a certain quotation by a certain previous president of the Council of Europe, Paul-Henri Spaak:
‘We do not want another committee. We have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all people, and to lift us out of the economic morass in which we are sinking. Send us such a man and, be he god or the devil, we will receive him.’
The problem with Van Rompuy is that he exudes committee: indeed, he is a one-man committee. Schwarzenegger has stature in abundance and would hold the allegiance of the people (certainly on Facebook). Judging by his performance (political) in California, he might even lift us out of the economic morass into which (thanks to PIIGS), we are all sinking. An Austrian leading Europe? With an Austrian pope at his side?

It will certainly cause the futurist premillennialists a little bother. Many in the US are persuaded that Obama is the Anti-Christ. For those who believe he will arise from a European 10-nation confederacy, Schwarzenegger is rather more plausible than Van Rompuy. After all, it’s easy to envision the Apocalypse of the Last Days and Armageddon with a Terminator than a bank manager.


Anonymous MrJ said...

"Arnie punta a presidenza" would indeed be a slogan to stir a disgruntled electorate.

The link to Mr Farage's speech and what followed is more than a pleasure to hear.

"Paul-Henri Spaak: .... what we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all people, and to lift us out of the economic morass in which we are sinking."

Sounds like a call for another Hitler, or Mussolini or...

Could there be some truth in the report that M. Spaak practiced law in Brussels and excelled in defending Communists charged with conspiring against the security of the realm, including Fernando de Rosa, an Italian student who attempted to kill Crown Prince Umberto of Italy?

21 April 2011 at 14:07  
Anonymous stopcpdotcom said...

I assume that this is some kind of joke.

21 April 2011 at 14:51  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Is Common Purpose a joke of any kind? Perhaps we should be told.

21 April 2011 at 16:12  
Blogger Harry Hook said...

He would make a refreshing change from EU politicians like prime minister Silvio Berlusconi. The only thing Arnold is likely to be caught rubbing in a hotel bedroom... is a gun.

21 April 2011 at 16:12  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Schwarzenegger's father had a soft spot for the Austrian who became Leader of Europe.......but the son is so liberal he could be a Cameroon....still California is bankrupt just like Greece

21 April 2011 at 16:46  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Voyager said...
......but the son is so liberal he could be a Cameroon....still California is bankrupt just like Greece

21 April 2011 16:46

As was Germany not long before Hitler became leader.

In this world of Orwellian double-speak, liberal now means FASCIST or corporatist, as conservative means radical or progressive, and socialist means absolutely anything but being social to anyone, or anything remotely good for society as a whole, or individuals in particular.

Black is the new white, as white is the new black. Family the problem, not the only solution. Lies are the accepted truth, as the truth is now seen as certifiably insane lies.

Indeed if this world of theirs still makes any sense to you, then you are either suffering from a serious case of denial, or you are as utterly crazy as the world you now inhabit.

In times such as these, telling the TRUTH, is a revolutionary act.

Indeed telling the truth can now get you arrested or sued for every penny you have and will ever have, whereas lying can get you an incredibly well payed job at the IMF, or even better, made president of The European Council.

21 April 2011 at 17:28  
Anonymous not a machine said...

I might go along with the idea your grace , the EU has perhaps been a big budget futuristic work of fiction for all too long.

I dont think you can go "asta la vista " to eurobonds though , even if slightly filled with joy at the propsect.

21 April 2011 at 17:42  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Conan the Barbarian will be playing who?

Final Fantasy!

21 April 2011 at 18:15  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The present Pope was born in Germany not Austria. The last time an Austrian tried to rule Europe was in 1939 and his name was Adolf Hitler. Arnold's lust for power should make any sane European think this is a sick joke.

21 April 2011 at 18:36  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Oh do please stop feeding the paranoia of the anti-Catholic presbyterians and millenium evangelicals!

21 April 2011 at 19:53  
Blogger Span Ows said...

Sounds good. I mean he's been Mr.Universe already so this should be a walk in the park...maybe he could also terminate a few (hundred) wasters in the EU parliament.

21 April 2011 at 20:37  
Blogger JamesD'Troy said...

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21 April 2011 at 21:12  
Blogger JamesD'Troy said...

Schwarzenegger, your Grace?!?



Have you actually seen how Schwarzenegger has contributed to making California the most dysfunctional state in the US? From pardoning the imprisoned sons of political allies to signing in the eco-fundamentalist job-killing AB-32 to the dying state of California farmers to leaving the state in financially catastrophic condition Arnold is no Republican nor conservative. Just google the terms 'Businesses leaving California' to read how bad it is in California. For a tell-tale sign of what Schwarzenegger really believes look to his way-liberal Kennedy wife(Cherchez la femme, no?). There's no excuse as to why such a place like California that has so many resources is so wretchedly managed to the point of losings statehood. Arnold has been a part of that mismanagement.

If Europeans really want to make things worse for Europe by all means make Arnold POTEU.

I can hear it now;

"and unto this, Arnold, destined to bear the jeweled crown of Brussels upon a troubled brow..." [Cue in Anvil of Crom music]

21 April 2011 at 21:19  
Anonymous MrJ said...

JamesD'Troy "Schwarzenegger, your Grace?!?" Perhaps there has been so little outcry here because HG has made the place of his tongue pretty clear in the last paragraph, by the images and the link to Mr Farage's speech.

21 April 2011 at 22:08  
Blogger JamesD'Troy said...

@MrJ, I used to have a laugh at these things too, then these people were actually elected into office.

21 April 2011 at 22:22  
Anonymous Red Admiral said...

Don't want to worry anyone, but according to the Guardian (G2 p3) today is Judgement Day, when Skynet starts its war against humanity.

21 April 2011 at 22:59  
Anonymous MrJ said...

JDT 22:22_Thank you for your friendly concern. We've heard things have not been going too well in California. We're pretty much on the alert, but because there are so few to make protests such as Mr Farage, we have to keep our spirits up with a jest or two. Fact is, we face a prospect worse than Arnie would be, and that's only a part of the problem.

21 April 2011 at 23:28  
Anonymous francis said...

Anonymous @ 18.36: HG was not referring to the present Pope. Try following the link.

22 April 2011 at 00:35  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

Anti-Christ slanders always amuse me. I always thought that an 'anti-Christ' was one that denied the divinity of Christ (quite self explanatory really). Being a Christian who has never explicitly denied Christ, I can say quite comfortably that he is not.

DanJO and Davis however would, by it's definition, be anti-christs (this isn't to attack personally but to use a word by it's definition).

Ho hum, it is amazing how some of the most biblically knowledgeable people can sometimes come to insane conclusions.

For the record I'm not probama, but he's not an anti-Christ.

22 April 2011 at 01:04  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Sometimes a little thing creeps through that reminds you ,just how dire socialist constructs can be in retrospect .I had to double take , for more years than I care to remember (and myself being ignorant and indulgent in it) ,the general wind has been antipathy and insecurity about christianity.You can list the rolling troubles , christian theological divisions , the pervading agressive athiesm , the pedrasts hiding and perhaps the most arrogant move to down grade christmas.
Of course history is littered with both visons and versions of attempts to define the future ,some of which are for historians to pick over , some we are still in.
Tonight I heard a news presenter "wish everyone a happy easter" , such a little thing , almost rebellious after the labour terror years, an innocent bit of light got out of the professional legalistic leftovers of a goverment that in my view lied ,even in the end to its self about what it was doing.
Appology does not go near enough for creating mass delusion and bankruptcy , it is however easter , a time to consider the saviour .For many I am sure it is a familiar bank holiday , full of some family activty or just personal lazing with popular culture.
Having a happy easter at the level I believe jesus spoke about , is an intimate thing , it may even not be pleasant to encounter gods forgiveness, as false pride is often dying somewhere close beside it.
The poverty of the soul is not the same coversation/enquiry ,as the poverty of material presence , jesus was correct to point out the order or danger of missing that. The fears are so very different ,as is the degree/capacity to love ,with the pains/wounds of our growth and understanding.

Whilst the choppy waters may have been traversed , and a bit of holiday is lived/celebrated ,let us hope , we can find christs wisdom .I shall sign off for a while ,I cannot add anything and a should attend to some long put off personal work .

A happy easter to everyone.

22 April 2011 at 02:50  
Anonymous Michal said...

Someone should explain to Cranmer that "President of Europe" is quite a stretch away from "President of the European Council." If I knew his address, I'd send him some children's book about the workings of the EU.

22 April 2011 at 03:56  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Michal - must say I'm glad you're not trying to explain it here. I'm among those who want you to get your vile, despicable euSSR out of Britain.

22 April 2011 at 05:17  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

Red Admiral: "Don't want to worry anyone, but according to the Guardian (G2 p3) today is Judgement Day, when Skynet starts its war against humanity."

According to Harold Camping, the Rapture will happen on 21st May at 6pm (CST I'm guessing). If that's like a 'thief in the night' then presumably Harold Camping is taking a Tony Martin sans shotgun approach to its arrival.

22 April 2011 at 07:08  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Michal 3.56.

It must be pretty obvious to most who come here that Cranmer knew what he was writing about, was not deceived and was deceiving none.

The contrast with the self-styled European Union and all its organs and apologists could hardly be greater.

A reflection which may be suited to this day notorious for the procurement of a death by the false witness of the Temple authorities, and "Holy" within the cycle of the Christian Liturgical Year.

22 April 2011 at 07:14  
Blogger Gnostic said...


22 April 2011 at 07:39  
Anonymous len said...

Anti Christ is not necessarily one who stands against Christ but one who stands INSTEAD of Christ ie a replacement Christ.
Now we see the are a few candidates already doing this!
At least the figureheads of two Worldwide Religions. These could be (and probably are) the 'two legs'in Nebuchadnezzar`s dream interpreted by Daniel.

Jesus wars us of 'false Christ`s who promote false doctrines.

As we head towards 'Judgement Day' what we need is Jesus Christ not Arnie.

22 April 2011 at 08:24  
Anonymous Lesley said...

No wonder that First Past the Post has given way to A V / P R / Lists. The Euro members (not the People) who deceide these appointments will never get a good leader, it's always second best and who's turn it is to get the good jobs.

22 April 2011 at 08:46  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

len said...
"Anti Christ is not necessarily one who stands against Christ but one who stands INSTEAD of Christ ie a replacement Christ.
Now we see the are a few candidates already doing this!
At least the figureheads of two Worldwide Religions."

And I mistaken thought you believed it was just the Church of the Rome? So who's the second?

22 April 2011 at 10:06  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

Lakester91: "DanJO and Davis however would, by it's definition, be anti-christs (this isn't to attack personally but to use a word by it's definition)."

Yes, in the sense of not believing in that deity anyway. I'm also anti-Allah, anti-Zeus, anti-Baal, anti-Vishnu, and so on in the same sense, just like most people here I expect. That's the point you're making right?

22 April 2011 at 11:14  
Anonymous len said...

Mr Dodo,
Part of the Roman empire was in Rome,then Constantine moved the capital to.....Constantinople,modern name Istanbul.
Now if we consider the revived Roman Empire, the titles and the authority of the Caesar`s passed to the Popes (Pontiflex Maximus) and indeed the Popes are treated as Caesar`s)

Since Rome divided into two separate empires some see the possibility of THE Antichrist arising out of either an Eastern or a Western Empire, and this division today normally arises between those who see the possibility of an Islamic Antichrist and either way it does appear is indeed likely, that the anti-Christ,( all that opposes Christ,or instead of Christ, personified in one person) will arise from the 'revived Roman Empire'

22 April 2011 at 12:53  
Blogger Lakester91 said...


That's the ticket. It's not a slander if you don't believe in the Christ. The notion of there being only one temporal (i.e. as one person only) anti-Christ (almost always considered the Bishop of Rome) is biblically illiterate.

Besides, like all false prophets, "you will know them by their works" The modern Papacy is filled by intelligent devout men who teach good theology. By not teaching anyone that Christ wasn't God, didn't die for our sins or resurrect, and by holding to the Nicene creed, we can see that he could not be the apocalyptic "Anti-Christ" that doomsday preachers love to slate everyone as. Even Dawkins is a more likely prospect.

22 April 2011 at 13:31  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

len said...
"Mr Dodo,
Part of the Roman empire was in Rome,then Constantine moved the capital to....."

All a little too speculative and escoteric for me I'm afraid. Doesn't Jesus advise against this and cautioned that only His Father knew the time of the 'end game'?

Wise to steer away from all this. It can skew all sorts of perceptions about nations (eg Israel) and religions and lead to all sorts of weird predictions.

22 April 2011 at 16:39  
Anonymous len said...

God gives us Prophesy so we will KNOW what is happening.
Prophesy is God unfolding future events is it not?

22 April 2011 at 19:47  
Anonymous len said...

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

22 April 2011 at 19:49  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

len said...

Stand by my earlier post. One interpretation of prophesy is invariably countered by another. And Revelation is not in my view a book capable of historical analysis and prediction.

No, better just to leave God's plan in His hands and deal with situations as they arise. If we see a situation as part of an unfolding plan with a predetermined end, demanding we act in certain ways, this will lead us to act in inappropriate ways.

Is the current hostility to EU based on this view of the anti-christ arising from a Roman empire? And similarly, is support for Israel based on Old Testament passages? It's just this politico-religious thinking that troubles me.

22 April 2011 at 23:56  
Anonymous len said...

Mr, Dodo, Mr Dodo, The hostility to the E U is on many levels.
And Prophesy is given by God for a reason, to edify believers, to prove to unbelievers God is the One orchestrating His plan for the redemption of Mankind.

'Surely the Sovereign LORD does nothing without revealing his plan to his servants the prophets.'(Amos 3:7)

At least 25%of the Bible is prophesy you might as well rip these pages out and throw them away then?
How do you determine what is God`s plan and what is Satan`s?. and I will remind you that Dodos died out because they couldn`t distinguish friends from enemies!

Political-religious thinking bother you?His Graces site is a Politico/religious one!.

Bless You.

23 April 2011 at 08:14  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

And yet somehow despite all the prophesies about Jesus, the people still had but a vague idea of who exactly he was until he told them. Most prophecies are great after the event has already occurred but practically useless beforehand. There are too many possible interpretations and even the greatest minds in history have been unable to agree on what they mean. Let's not get carried away with what might happen tomorrow, and instead worry about what's happening today.

Dodos died out because they couldn't fly away from dogs and couldn't protect their eggs from rats. They could distinguish friend from foe but hadn't the means to defend themselves against threats that they should never have encountered.

I have no affinity for the European project either; History shows that massive countries need either massive levels of devolution (e.g. America where the federal Government is only concerned with protecting the constitution and lawmaking is devolved to the states) or massive levels of centralised control (Imperial and Communist Russia, Kingdom of France, China throughout history). I can see the direction the EU is taken and I don't like it. I'm not sure its worth our sovereignty for alleged economic benefits.

23 April 2011 at 12:05  
Anonymous len said...

It might come as no surprise that I am in total disagreement with you Mr Lakester 91.

Reasons for Prophesy;
1, Validator of Scripture — Fulfilled prophecy is one of the best evidences in the world that the Bible is indeed the inspired Word of God. The Bible contains hundreds of fulfilled secular prophecies pertaining to cities, nations, empires, wars, events, and supernatural warfare.

2,Validator of Jesus as Messiah — The Bible contains more than 300 prophecies about the first coming of Jesus, all of which were literally fulfilled.

3, Revealer of the remaining Future — Prophecy serves to tell us some things that God wants us to know about our future.

Isaiah 46:8-10 Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors. Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Revelation 19:10 And I (John) fell at his (a mighty angel) feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellow-servant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

There are many, many, more scripture I could use but space forbids it)

Bless You, and Mr Dodo , have a good Easter.

23 April 2011 at 12:35  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

Mr Len Happy Easter my friend!

You have missed the entire point of my argument. I said nothing about the validity of prophecy, but their interpretation.

Prophecies are great, but almost never interpreted correctly before the event. Nothing wrong with the book of Apocalypse/ everything wrong with accusing random people of being the anti-Christ for no other reason than one doesn't like them. Read the post again, your post raises a perfect example of my point. There are more than 300 prophecies of Jesus that were fulfilled. Yet still people did not realise who he was or how the prophecies were fulfilled until after the event. Be wary of what the Bible prophesies but don't use it to predict anything specific as you will only be proven false.

If we are to take the idea of the anti-Christ as a literal human being (rather than a descriptive term for a type of person or an idea, ideology or general state of society) then we are looking for someone who preaches 'goodness' without God and who preaches a false morality based on pleasure or ideology rather than human fulfilment. Immediately this discounts most world leaders and most religious leaders (Pope included). To be sure, if the anti-Christ is but one man, then he will probably be greatly respected and will have great power; however he is not here yet. I prefer to rule out candidates than rule in; makes it easier when I look for people to trust.

Remember God does not judge on technicalities; a minor false doctrine might be wrong, but it will not bar entry to heaven. We are looking for a fundamental distortion of morality. For example, I may disagree with the Anglican church on some doctrines, but I know in my heart that following Anglicanism is not a bar to salvation: therefore the Archbishop of Canterbury is not the anti-Christ.

tl;dr Prophecies are great to give a vague picture of the future; they are much clearer in retrospect; making specific predictions based on prophecy is foolish.

24 April 2011 at 23:48  
Anonymous len said...

Lakester 91,
I guess we will have to agree to differ on some issues!.
It was Daniels studying and interpreting of Scripture which lead to his prayers for the release of the Jews from Egypt.

Upon bringing Jesus into the temple, they encountered Simeon the Righteous. The Gospel records that Simeon had been promised that "he should not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ" (Luke 2:26). Simeon prayed the prayer that would become known as the Nunc Dimittis, or Canticle of Simeon, which prophesied the redemption of the world by Jesus.
I will however never accept that Catholicism is a religion that Jesus Christ would accept.
The foundation stone of true Christianity is the spiritual re-birth.Not what denomination you belong to! I don`t doubt that SOME Catholics are re-born, redeemed, Christians but this (I believe) is not because of Catholicism but despite it!. I also don`t doubt that some Anglicans are not re-born just 'church goers'.

It is the Catholic or indeed ANY religious SYSTEM that diverts people away from Christ that I disagree with, NOT the people within that system.

God Bless.

25 April 2011 at 08:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can ANYONE please verify when and where Paul Henri Spaak made his comment? I can find him quoted everywhere, but nowhere can I find from where the quote originated. Thanks.

27 April 2011 at 22:07  

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