Saturday, April 09, 2011

The Euro: a mechanism for passing the buck

His Grace can scarcely recall such an affront to democracy.

Actually, maybe he can. But this euro business causes him some temporary amnesia on the previous affronts, or relegates them for the moment to lower levels of significance.

It has often been asked why Europe’s politicians would purposely seek to surrender their sovereign power; why they might choose to bind their authority; why they would voluntarily neuter their political omnipotence: what do they have to gain? The answer is now plain for all to see.

The Greeks, the Irish and the Portuguese peoples may elect their governments, but the relationship between responsibility, accountability and the assertion of power is so far removed from democracy that the political order of these nations ought to deny them membership of the very supranational body which demands democracy as a prerequisite to membership.

The EU is one great quango: it is a democratic scam which permits the politicians of each member state to promise the earth to get themselves elected, and then blame ‘Europe’ that their manifesto pledges could not be fulfilled. This then permits each political leader to stare their electorates in the face and say, quite truthfully, “Our hands were tied; we could nothing about it; we were bound by our treaty obligations, etc., etc.”

The Greeks are rioting, the Irish bending under the yoke of oppression and the Portuguese don’t quite yet realise what’s about to hit them. Isn’t it convenient for their Social Democratic Party that they rejected the deficit-cutting austerity package proposed by Sócrates, only to have it now forcibly imposed by the EU? The pain will be acute, but the fault will not lie directly with Portuguese politicians. The peoples of Greece, Ireland and Portugal will protest and riot against their respective austerity packages, but dismissing their governments will not change fiscal policy: their sovereignty has been removed.

No government in these countries has obtained a mandate from the people for these measures, and neither will they acquire one. As with agriculture, fisheries, the environment, energy, transport, VAT, human rights, etc., etc., the will of the people is irrelevant, and national governments are impotent.

The UK will be contributing a further £4.2bn to the European Financial Stabilisation Mechanism (EFSM) to assist Portugal, since we are treaty-bound to contribute to its coffers, in exactly the same way as we are obliged to pay into the IMF.

Ah, but this is a loan, not a gift, you say: the British taxpayers will get their money back.

His Grace is loath to be the messenger of bad news on such a lovely day, but Portugal will default on her debts, exactly as she has always done. If the EU writes off the debts of Portugal, it will have to concede the same for Greece and Ireland. And the resulting fiscal mess and political turmoil will not be the fault of any national government:
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

51 Comments:

Anonymous Mr. Green said...

And the people lost what they thought they were keeping.

And yes, the Common Fisheries Policy was deliberately hidden from the UK population during Ted Heath's EEC accession talks and the in/out referendum a bit later.

9 April 2011 at 10:21  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

How can any Government after the Banking fiasco honestly go forth and pretend a Nation can borrow its way out of debt.

"There Are Powers At Work In This Country About Which We Have No Knowledge" Elizabeth II

Why many in this Country are preparing to disrupt the Royal wedding, there are those who listen the Queens plea and prepare to route the enemy on British soil.

I hope YGs communicants are ready.

9 April 2011 at 10:26  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Once more, nail on head.

After the flight of James II it was possible to call on Dutch William to take the English Crown. There seems no such way out of the present predicament, attributable to the abuse of Parliamentary government (of what is now the United Kingdom) year after year.

9 April 2011 at 10:41  
Anonymous Collis Gretton said...

Poland will join the euro at the first opportunity. See "Why I'm incapable of getting angry with Angela Merkel" at www.trumpeter4europe.co.uk

9 April 2011 at 10:43  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Your Grace Richard North and Christopher Booker showed the genesis of the EU in The League of Nations....it is a Congress of Vienna, a Dreikaiserbund - one of those Cabals of Anti-Democracy Europe throws up from time to time, actually, repeatedly.

Europe needs Elites to worship and the disaster 1914-18 destroyed most of them , so the search was on for another. Fascism was too republican so it had to be removed in favour of more "scientific" dictatorship which the EU has sought to be subsuming national governments.

The cornerstone of this is no longer the Military-Industrial-Complex but the Banking/Political Nexus of Intangibles driving the economy and operating behind the scenes in contrast to Industrialists who had factories outside the capital cities.

It is the simple result of a creeping coup that they have run into the sand and are bankrupt just as much as France 1789 - they are trying one last throw of the dice to get the populace to accept liability and like Israelites in Exodus V bear increasing burdens for the Elites

9 April 2011 at 10:58  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Defeated in two World Wars and still Germany has managed to dominate the economies of Europe. Interest rate rise set to suit their needs, not the economies of Portugal, Greece and Spain.

9 April 2011 at 11:40  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Your Grace accurately describes the European Union as a democratic scam. Successive Parliaments have, unforgivably, taken the power entrusted to them by the people and transferred it to Brussels, reducing Parliament to little more than a rubber stamp and reducing a once free, self-governing nation to little more than a vassal state.

The leaders of our three main parties know that membership of the European Union is a crime against democracy and freedom but they will not countenance withdrawal. Terrifyingly, their commitment to supranational, and then world, government outweighs their commitment to our liberty.

9 April 2011 at 12:00  
Anonymous Mr. Green said...

On a practical level should we not be more determined to find out what UK representatives in the various EU institutions are actually up to?

Peter Oborne has identified an individual who apparently advised the current UK government to sign up to the most recent EU bail-out mechanism. It looks as though he will be promoted to UK Representative in Brussels, a hugely (financially) rewarding job. What are his terms of reference, and who does he report to? We have no direct democratic control over the huge power such people wield on our behalf.

At least we can still vote In UK parliamentary elections, though the nation seems to be asleep over the issues raised by our EU membership. Some issues are deliberately obfuscated, and some are just unnecessarily over-complicated. This is not intelligent, as any idiot can make an issue complicated. It takes genius to simplify.

9 April 2011 at 12:18  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

"Better a free meal of acorns than a honeyed meal on trust" Old Welsh saying.

9 April 2011 at 12:41  
Blogger Ernst Stavro Blofeld Ambassador to Vedics and other medical professions + Tiddles said...

Your Grace

Ernst loves the sweet smell of hypocrisy in the morning and quotes from the Evening Standard.

"As EU finance ministers met in Budapest to thrash out a rescue deal, shadow (should it be shadowy ?) Chancellor Ed Balls stressed that the single currency was an "important part" of Portugal's plight and that it was therefore largely up to eurozone countries to sort out the crisis. Britain could contribute, he said, "but it would be much better if this was sorted out by the euro area countries themselves".

His comments echo those of many Tory MPs - and two thirds of voters, according to a YouGov poll - but they leave Labour open to claims of hypocrisy: Chancellor Alistair Darling signed Britain up to the EU bail-out system. "


Ernst finds it hilarious these fabianista scummers have the afront to state anything, seeing as they were THE culprits in having the bailout mechanism being foisted on the british public, before the dust had settled and against what would have been our wishes.

HANG EM HIGH!

E S Blofeld

9 April 2011 at 12:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

YG

With reference to the following comment in your fourth paragraph “Our hands were tied; we could nothing about it; we were bound by our treaty obligations, etc., etc.”

Apart from the fact the Lisbon Treaty is effectively an illegal and traitorous document, reference the Magna Carta and 1689 Bill of Rights and various other laws, they are actually contravening said Treaty, they claim we are bound by!

Article 122 of the Lisbon Treaty is quite specific about financial bailouts.

http://www.lisbon-treaty.org/wcm/the-lisbon-treaty/treaty-on-the-functioning-of-the-european-union-and-comments/part-3-union-policies-and-internal-actions/title-viii-economic-and-monetary-policy/chapter-1-economic-policy/390-article-122.html

It is not the role of financial bodies of individual State members to make this decision, to create and ratify said bailouts. Nor is any member State under an obligation to fund it.

9 April 2011 at 13:11  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Has there ever been and can there ever really be such a thing as true democracy?

There always have been and always will be elites running whatever system to suit their own particular ends. Today it's a capitalist system calling the shots. In the past it was a variety of feudalism and religion. Some countries have communism, facism and socialism, or mixtures. Some down right tyranny and others Islamic theocracies.

"Render unto Ceasar .... "

9 April 2011 at 13:13  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

If the EU writes off the debts of Portugal, it will have to concede the same for Greece and Ireland. And the resulting fiscal mess and political turmoil will not be the fault of any national government:

Well, not exactly.

It will certainly be made to seen to have been their fault, by the establishments media especially The BBC.

For the answer given to the problems the owners of The EU have so carefully planned to give us all, will be MORE EU, not less, or NO EU.

On that you can bet your house, and most likely will be doing so anyway whether you wish to do so, or not.

Yes, you are right, I am very seriously claiming this was all planned to happen right from the very start.

For the answer given to all of the problems the people who largely control this entire planet have very deliberately caused, has always been more of what caused them in the first place, never less.

Which, cutting a long list of Internationalist religious, political, and financial institutions very short, is ever more power to them in the shape of The World Bank, EU, and UN, and ever less for absolutely everyone else.

It is not that the ends are so bad, for none of us can really know for sure exactly what the ends will be like. What we can however be perfectly sure about is that the means by which they are getting there, are evil beyond imagination.

Which does not suggest a notably nice end game.

9 April 2011 at 14:22  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

The Last Dodo said...

There always have been and always will be elites running whatever system to suit their own particular ends.
9 April 2011 13:13

You can say that again.

However the mistake you seem to be making is assuming (simply because this is what you were told at school or university) that things such as Communism, Capitalism, Feudalism, or Religion, are not effectively one of the same corporatist thing run by exactly the same people working in lose, (and often much closer then you could ever like to imagine,) conspiracy with each other.

This conspiracy is not a secret. It is largely hidden in plain
sight.

We know that the leaders of the world, both spiritual and material have close relationships with each other, some of these people are indeed direct relatives. They set up talking shops and missions to meet up with each and plan things. these are many, but here are just a few of them. The Bilberburg Group, CFR, RIIA, Club of Rome, Tri-lateral commission, UN, EU, and so on and so forth. They also arrange personal meetings with each other on both an official and unofficial basis.

It is self-apparent that they do not use these institutions to discuss the relative merits of Barcelona and Manchester United.

Clegg and Cameron for just two small, relatively unimportant examples are related to the Queen of England as well as Russian aristocracy. The interconnections of all of the worlds western leaders, including to such far flung places as China and Japan are a matter of record.

However it is quite amassing how many of these relationships all lead back to The UK. Which should not surprise anyone as this country was for a long time in modern history effectively running the world using its considerable military, political, trading and financial might.

It is clear that a fair amount of interbreeding took place with the native aristocracy. However this type of thing has been going on since classical times, and so has now spread to the remotest corners of the known world.

These rulings elites now have dominion over almost the entire planet, even including many of the Arab, or Muslim parts of it. Like for example Saudi-Arabia, and Jordan.

The question is DO YOU TRUST these people to act in your interests?

If you do then, you must be insane, however you don't really have any choice whatsoever but to trust them and hope for the best anyhow.

For to say that they collectively have us all by the balls, is a serious understatement, especially as over half of the population of the world do not actually have any.

9 April 2011 at 15:17  
Anonymous Oswin said...

As I have said before, the Euro will fail, Europe will fail too, as it now stands; but just how much will we Brits' lose as the dominos begin to fall? Dominos that at each failure, will be propped back up for a second, or even a third tumble.

In some ways we may be in an enviable position, but not if we have to assist in baling-out those countries that will inevitably fail ... then who will support us?

9 April 2011 at 15:49  
Anonymous Bede said...

It is, I think, for only the last 14 years that the EU Audit Committee has refused to sign the accounts of the EU, due to totally inadequate accounts being kept and widespread corruption.

Give the poor dears time!

9 April 2011 at 16:19  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Atlas likes to fill our minds with this Monolithic power thats just too Great for us to overcome.

Lets simplify matters, there are two kinds of people in the World today, friend or foe.

Halt who goes there!

9 April 2011 at 16:35  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Bred in the bone :

Best, I find, to shoot half of those who shout ''Friend!'' - after all, you can't be too careful. :o)

9 April 2011 at 17:58  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Thank you Your Grace, for putting the euro situation so well, and in such a perspective.

As this aspect of the invisible becomes ever more visible, you reveal our habit of perpetuating Original Sin: which is writ large on every wall we look at. Those walls present the faces of those who presume to govern us. If we continue to render to them what is God's and what is ours, we have only ourselves to blame. We must take back our lives, souls, and wherewithal.

In using the words of this blog to throw light on the truth of the situation, you follow the precepts of the token that identifies our fault and shows the means to overcome it. The New Testament, especially John, explains the cure for our blindness as the Word, who is also the Light of the world (John 1).

John 2 goes further and tells us Christ's approach to the money changers:
"And when he had made, as it were, a scourge of little cords, he drove them all out of the temple, the sheep also and the oxen, and the money of the changers he poured out, and the tables he overthrew./And to them that sold doves, he said "Take these things hence, and make not the house of my father a house of traffic." (Jn 1: 15-16. Douay-Rheims).

I'm with those who suggest we should find backbone, moral fibre, and ways: to follow His example in this. Sharpish.

Only then will we participate in our own Redemption.

Let the Pharisees and Sadducees lay self-righteousness about them as they will... (pace Fitzgerald, "Rubaiyyat")

9 April 2011 at 18:29  
Anonymous Budgie said...

The EU wants this controlled failure of Portugal because it means direct financial rule by the EU can be imposed following the bail out.

It has already happened to Greece and Eire. The Irish are now in for years of indentured servitude to pay off the mistakes of the EU elite (which includes the pro EU Irish politicians).

9 April 2011 at 18:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It would appear there is a further somewhat sinister twist being played out.

Despite the article 122 reference to commission approval required for national disasters, Declaration 6 attached to the Nice Treaty made it clear that this article should not be used to over-ride the treaty provisions forbidding bail-outs.

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/en/treaties/dat/12001C/htm/C_2001080EN.007001.html

That aside, other countries have already been bailed out and when the specific question was asked of a commissioner was the bailout for Portugal approved, the commissioner failed to answer the question.

http://www.ukip.org/content/video-zone/2221-wheres-ec-statement-on-portugal

So it would appear if Portugal reneges on their debts/loans the loss falls squarely on the shoulders of the individual member states taxpayer, because the bailout is not EU approved!

If the earlier bailouts were achieved the same way and should one contry renege, then it is likely all will. With the effect of putting all the taxpayers of the Nation States into economic slavery to the Banks.

Cameron & Co are palying a very dangerous game.

9 April 2011 at 20:09  
Blogger St Bruno said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHrv0HV9Qww&feature=fvwrel

The clip above is from the excellent film Downfall: the first 40 seconds are apt, replace German people with Irish, Greek or what will or might come about in the future.

The rise of Germany as a conquer of Europe once again, not in the 20th but in the 21st Century, the Junker mentality is alive and kicking. When finally Magellan Merkel departs will there be a rise in German nationalism, I do hope so, the seeds are well and truly sprouting.
The EQ with it’s politically united left elite seems doomed to go the way of all dystopian nightmares.

Have we not learned anything but so-called peace and reconciliation with our past enemies. What of our more present enemies who threaten us from inside executing multifarious asymmetric war-like strategies to undermine our hard built economic and cultural heritage. What will become of our green and pleasant land when we the proles white Christian husband and wife minority are ruled by Muslims and gays and who will defend the gays when Sharia is the law of the land?

9 April 2011 at 21:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are a typical conservative. You accurately diagnose the illness but then you lack the courage to actually confront the problem and put in place a real solution.

If you really meant what you said you would never have anything to do with the Tories and you would turn your back on them and never loock back.

But you will not because you have these infantile delusions that the Tories will become the party of EU-withdrawal.

You are an old fool.

9 April 2011 at 21:33  
Anonymous Preacher said...

When we all owe more than we can ever hope to pay to the EU & it calls in the loans, that will be the fat lady singing.
The beast you know the one, (666) will take his (temporary) throne & cause all to receive his brand in order to buy or sell, even a can of beans. Or face persecution and or execution.
The only thing that is keeping us afloat (just) at the moment is that before it can happen the currencies must all be universal for it to work & We for one still have the dear old pound.
Heads out of the sand lads, it's time to go to work, the orchestra is warming up for the grand finale & the diva is getting her costume on.

9 April 2011 at 22:03  
Blogger English Viking said...

Your Grace,

Financial chaos is the least of our worries.

It will, without a shadow of a doubt, lead to physical violence.

Why do you implore your communicants to vote for shit like Cameron, when you appear to be able to see the end result?

Can you not see that that the Conservative Party are filth, just like the rest of them.

I'll get me coat, for my next comment, and only those who can see the imminent danger will understand.

O, for a Hitler figure.

9 April 2011 at 22:53  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe I forgot to post my later comment referring to the Declaration 6 of the Nice Treaty that specifically states all financial bailouts are forbidden and a question to an EU Commissioner if there was a statement from the EC about Portugal, who declined to answer.

http://www.ukip.org/content/video-zone/2221-wheres-ec-statement-on-portugal

The implications are huge

10 April 2011 at 01:03  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Having had to endure Ed Balls this week make full use of the recess buy going on a twitterable spin fest of soundbites ,speaking so much he ensured any cross examination ran out of time he dodged the obvious question of what our credit rating would be if his plan was adopted and ergo what interest rates new bonds would attract ,Greece I think is at 11% does he seriously think given our economy that is the right choice.
He now claims we should limit our bailout to portugal , which is not so easy as his government signed the bailout mechanism Doh .
Yet the unelected that run the EU are not making any noises about cutting the EU budget or cost of governance.
The undemocratic element is bad enough but the economic crisis is much worse , some euro countries are clearly going to be doing much better than others for a number of years this may then lead to a steady increase in inflation on manufactured goods and an end scenario of the manufacturing economies in a pact of trade imbalances devaluing the euro which will not make much headway in debt reduction for these euro countries .
The political aspects at home have ruptured a little in part because the situation has happened much more quickly than I thought and those countries that seemed to be resolved were perhaps a little lite on what was really needed.
I just have this nagging doubt , I perhaps quite like an EU where one can travel and the communist dictatorships are gone , so clearly there is somthing one would want any reformed EU to do and yet I would like to be out of the EU and run our own affairs .

The euro has failed because right from the off it was a financial bubble.
Up until now , the socialist EU was seen as corrupt , with some conservative financial mangement it could stop wasting so much and so the PMs moves to at least remove the socialist aspects had enough cred , for many to forget we lost the oppertunity to have the in out vote and that the next EU parliament could be more eurosceptic in thought word and deed. That is what I have believed , if some are now saying , that this course was never intended and was just bluff for some sort of banksters fete de complie , that was done before the UK election , as the drying up of credit for the fake euro boom had exposed its dysfunctionality ,then we had better think it through .

Is a eurosceptic position possible that will immediately gain a much lower UK contribution? could we scrap the commisoners and get some real talent in to try and work some better finance and costs and send the lobby industry for a very long holiday . If we could wish to be out , what sort of trade relations with the EU would we then have.

I say this as being out may not be such a bad thing , but we just need to think about , what sort of EU would work if we wait for next elections , or what sort of UK if we do not .

I mean doesnt anythink the UK people have quite enough of bailing out , for running disastrous ecnomics , why should we sit and take it ? if it cannot be remedied .

10 April 2011 at 01:17  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Mr. EV - Should he deem it wise, I'm sure our Gracious host will defend whatever views he currently holds on the Conservative Party.

Nevertheless, I think it's some time since I interpreted him as condoning the present shower - I've thought not since their shenannikins started coming to light. Even if my irony sensors are in overdrive - the present post is hardly flattering to whatever purports to govern Britain at present.

So I wish the best... for Communicants all...

10 April 2011 at 01:45  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had previously thought I may have inadvertently not posted my second post, so re-submitted it and note with interest that this also quickly disappeared.

It was article specific and contained no bad language.

Unless referring to Declaration 6 of the Nice Treaty and Farage asking an EU Commissioner for a statement regarding the Portugal bailout and receiving no response are considered profanities.

I am disappointed, but thank you for making clear your position.

10 April 2011 at 02:13  
Anonymous Anon Anon said...

Anonymous @02:13 --- the fault of disappearing posts lies not within His Grace, but in our-caches and Blogger. People here frequently recommend 'clearing the cache' as a solution.

If Cranmer removes posts, he says so.

10 April 2011 at 03:56  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

English Viking said...
Your Grace,

O, for a Hitler figure.

9 April 2011 22:53

I do not disagree with your main thrust, however IMO, nothing will notably lead to mass violence except FOOD SHORTAGES. Which may indeed happen sooner or later.

As for a Hitler Figure. It could be argued that we have already had one of those, in the shape of Gordon Brown.

After all Hitler lead his country into the pits of hell, and Gordon Brown has now done likewise.

If you genuinely believe that a so called great leader can save you or your nation, then may I most respectfully suggest that you grow-up, and grow-up fast.

10 April 2011 at 04:33  
Blogger Gnostic said...

An excellent post, Your Grace. Cameron isn't going to do a U turn on the EU because he's part of the problem and will never be part of the solution. Does this mean no more shilling for Cameron and his Not-the-Tory Party?

10 April 2011 at 07:20  
Anonymous len said...

On the subject of disappearing posts.

I have had posts appear briefly then disappear only to re -appear 24 hrs later.

Mu knowledge of the net and computers is such that this phenomenon is a total mystery to me!
H G always says so when removes posts.

10 April 2011 at 08:48  
Blogger Ingenieur said...

Sorry, but having carefully studied YG's, I still do not find that "The answer is now plain for all to see."

You fail to explain why Europe's politicians have conspired for fifty years to surrender their nations' powers, even lying like Traitor Heath to achieve that result. Atlas may be right in suggesting (1422 & 1517 above)they are all puppets of higher powers.

One vital word is absent from YG's analysis, REFERENDUM! We are owed the referendum on continued EU membership promised by all main parties. Without popular support granted by a positive referendum result HMG has no mandate for allowing any further transfers of powers to Brussels.

Contrariwise, armed with the most likely result showing widespread distrust and loathing of the EU, HMG would be better empowered in all its dealings with Brusssels, including being able to tell Portugal where to stuff their begging bowl.

10 April 2011 at 09:18  
Anonymous Dreadnaught said...

Viking who likes to think he is a fierce Christian said -

O, for a Hitler figure.

Strange that: he normally reserves the epithet 'atheist' for such people - then again may be not so strange.

What a plonker!

10 April 2011 at 09:50  
Anonymous Froglette said...

To keep it short, the whole mess boils down to a plan for World Government via those inplace in the U.N. The people will be kept down and their numbers reduced by the, so called, Elite who will be in charge and rationing the power. God(s) Help us!

10 April 2011 at 09:55  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Our struggle is for the sacred and if we don't know these British Isles we inhabit are sacred ground, the struggle is already lost.

Now me being a simple Lancashire lad am aware this area was a part of ancient Rheged in Tolstoys Coming of the King and Lancs is named after Sir Lancelot.

Martin Mere wildlife sanctuary is all that is left of a huge Lake that John Gilbert drained, of Lady of the Lake fame.

The kiddies magical kingdom Camelot entertainment park has coincidentaly been built today in the middle of what would have historically been that Lake were Lancelot got carried off to a magical kingdom.

Not a lot of people know that, but then again not a lot of people give a damn about the sacred history, heritage and culture they pretend to defend.

10 April 2011 at 10:20  
Anonymous Dreadnaught said...

Very interesting Bred in the Bone - pity we seem to have lost contact with so much of our indigenous roots - parts of Lancashire should now rather be call 'Raghead' in stead of Rheged as I see it :-).

10 April 2011 at 10:51  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Very true Dreadnaught and thats why we need to cease these crusades for the Holy Land and recognise the only Holy Land we need is here.

Bring the Crusade home ;oD

10 April 2011 at 11:36  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

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10 April 2011 at 12:02  
Blogger English Viking said...

KnowNaught,

You're confusing me with someone else. I have never called Hitler an atheist.

10 April 2011 at 14:29  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Well said on ragheads/Rheged BitB! Surely we can add: Illmet in Elmet. Doubtless we could also manage something along the lines of God's Ire in Deira.

To reiterate -
Christ's approach to the money changers was:
And when he had made, as it were, a scourge of little cords, he drove them all out of the temple, the sheep also and the oxen, and the money of the changers he poured out, and the tables he overthrew./And to them that sold doves, he said "Take these things hence, and make not the house of my father a house of traffic." (Jn 1: 15-16. Douay-Rheims).

We should find backbone, moral fibre, and ways: to follow His example in removing the traffic and the ungodly from His House - this Holy Land. Sharpish.

Only then will we participate in our own Redemption.

10 April 2011 at 17:00  
Anonymous Oswin said...

non-mouse:

Yea verilly they shall be saved from God's ire ... but not too saved alas, Aella is my great grandpappy, and then some; but unfortunately he (or Gregory)didn't hold with long-term bequeathments and trust-funds...

'am still a bit of an angel though! :o)

10 April 2011 at 18:41  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Oswin ... Here's to the Liberty of St. Cuðbert :)
Hmm. So Bernicia? Bamburgh? Hex'm in Hexham could work... To say nothing of Candida Casa.

The images on Anglian(-S) sculptures are apt here, too - in view of the neu invaders... The inhabited vine-ladders (e.g. esp Sandbach) were for all time: with the angels of God ascending and descending (Jn. 1:51 D-R).


You're right -- we will overcome!

10 April 2011 at 20:03  
Blogger LobotomySpoon82 said...

Aella is my great grandpappy, and then some;

Unfortunately for you then that means we're related, :O :O :O

10 April 2011 at 20:09  
Anonymous Oswin said...

L'Spoon:

How long then, since you paid the family dues? I don't seem to have you in my ledger; it might prove expensive! :O)

11 April 2011 at 00:34  
Blogger LobotomySpoon82 said...

Oh no you don't, I know what's going on here, lol. You just want some extra cash for BEER don't you? I saw that comment you wrote a last week about cash flow problems :)

11 April 2011 at 00:49  
Anonymous Oswin said...

L'Spoon:

My dear boy, welcome back unto the family fold!

Your 'complementory' re-join package includes an heraldic tea-towel, teaspoon and artistically designed, family fact-sheet.

Please forward personal banking details, for this once-in-a-life-time, introductory concessionary package...

non-mouse: ''Candida Casa'' - how I enjoyed those two weeks in Portugal! Not a patch on Whitehorn though, a very special place indeed.

11 April 2011 at 14:32  
Blogger LobotomySpoon82 said...

"...an heraldic tea-towel, teaspoon and artistically designed, family fact-sheet."

Ooh that sound's good I'll just get my ... Hang on a minute ... heraldic tea towel??? No! No, you nearly did it again bugger it!

I must stop being so gullible!

11 April 2011 at 15:08  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Knowing nothing of Portugal, I referred to Whithorn!

Recently took an interest in Fatima, though - and the third 'secret.' One can't help wondering why it's been withheld - in view of the things we see evidenced here, including 'destruction of nations,' destruction of the church, and other prophecies. Then again, perhaps it's nothing...

11 April 2011 at 15:09  
Anonymous Oswin said...

non-mouse :

Always fascinated me too, but I have a sneaking suspicion that the 'third secret' was a Vatican marketing ploy, to drum up continued interest; at least, I hope it was!


L'Spoon - come now, you know it makes sense. Come to Daddy!

11 April 2011 at 15:31  

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