Thursday, April 07, 2011

Israeli school bus hit by Hamas anti-tank missile


This is a picture of the school bus which was hit today by an anti-tank missile outside Kibbutz Sa'ad in Sha'ar Hanegev. Just 20 minutes before, it was packed with around 50 schoolchildren. It is reported that some 45 rockets and mortars exploded within three hours today, all fired from Gaza into Israel.

But the source for all this is the Jerusalem Post.

So, when they say 'anti-tank missile', they actually mean the regular, relatively harmless kind of mortar shell; when they say it was a 'direct hit', they mean the bus had a few windows blown out; when they tell us that two people were injured, they mean a few scratches and mild shock.

O, and anything they say about Hamas being terrorists or asserting that the elected government of Gaza are indiscriminately targeting unarmed Israeli citizens can also be discounted as Zionist propaganda.

No doubt we will very soon be hearing reports via the BBC and The Guardian of a wholly disproportionate response by the Israeli government and of further 'war crimes' propagated by the IDF. We will hear of the unfortunate killing of women and children in retaliation, probably with rolling film footage and commentary by Palestinian medics.

And there will be no reporting at all of the fact that Hamas is armed and financed by Iran or that both are dedicated to the killing of Jews and the eradication of the Jewish state.

It was Benjamin Disraeli who said: "The Lord deals with the nations as the nations deal with Jews."

And we wonder why the world is in the mess it's in.

46 Comments:

Blogger English Viking said...

'I will bless those that bless thee, and curse those that curse thee...'

That is why the rag-heads can never win, and Jerusalem will, one day, become the capital of the world.

All hail Israel.

7 April 2011 at 18:58  
Anonymous MrJ said...

At a guess, it seems unlikely that Disraeli would have committed HMG to the Balfour Declaration.

7 April 2011 at 19:12  
Blogger LobotomySpoon82 said...

And why the UK specifically is in the mess it's in.

7 April 2011 at 19:16  
Anonymous IanCad said...

'The LORD will make you the head, not the tail'
In the last prisoner exchange was not the going rate 700 Palestinians for one Israeli?
Says it all!

7 April 2011 at 19:22  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, ‘Let us go to the Jews.’ We went out till we reached Beit al-Midras. He said to them, ‘If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land.’

7 April 2011 at 19:23  
Blogger pounce_uk said...

His Grace wrote:
“So, when they say 'anti-tank missile', they actually mean the regular, relatively harmless kind of mortar shell; when they say it was a 'direct hit', they mean the bus had a few windows blown out; when they tell us that two people were injured, they mean a few scratches and mild shock.”

No your Grace, please allow me, a military man to explain the difference. An anti-Tank missile is a guided weapon which is directed onto its target by the operator. Be it wire, radio or even laser the operator can pick where on the target his missile will impact.
A mortar shell is fired blind. Yes a trained crew can direct their rounds into a target area, however they will never be as accurate as an anti-tank missile simply because they are lobbed at the target as opposed to guided.
As for the bus having a few windows blown out, the back of the bus (the engine block) was the target area:
http://www.globalpost.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/gp3_small_article/israel_gaza_bus_strike_2011_4_7.jpg
The reason for this, is because anti-tank missiles are designed to penetrate the armour on a tank. Which means that at the speed they travel at, the flimsy body of a coach would offer no resistance and the missile would travel through the coach without detonating , which is why the engine block was targeted so as to initiate the warhead. However by the look of it, the warhead failed to detonate. The windows would have been taken out by the shockwave and shrapnel. As for the injuries, a 14 year old boy is in intensive care with head injuries.

7 April 2011 at 19:33  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

I'm not a great fan of modern Israel but innocents are innocents and indiscriminate violence like that is abhorrent.

What do Hamas really gain from this? One of the most certain things in life, apart from death and taxes, is that Israel almost always responds, and hard.

Do Hamas think that their almost inevitable sacrificing of some innocent Palestinians in the ensuing violence is worth it just to get some international approbation down on Israel again?

It's all so, so depressing.

7 April 2011 at 19:38  
Blogger Nightwatchstate said...

Dan, you fail to grasp the nature of Hamas or Islam - After all, their motto is "We love death more than you [infidels/jews] love life."

I'm not sure which side of the pro israel/pro palestine fence HG is sitting on, but that second paragraph seems to me rather like protesting that its just a little bit of attempted genocide, rather than a horrific tragedy. Have the Fogels been forgotten so quickly? A "Harmless" mortar shell, presumably a descendent of the type of "harmless" mortar shells that fell on the trenches during WWI. Piffle and nonsense. This incident is another tally mark in the abhorrent list of attacks on israeli children and families, every single one of which forfeits the moral claim of any palestinian state to exist.

7 April 2011 at 20:14  
Anonymous malvoisin said...

Atlas shrugs makes mention of a massacre at a childrens school by a muslim in Rio. I am surprised you have not mentioned this.

7 April 2011 at 20:28  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Nightwatchstate (20:14)—His Grace is lamenting the line that he expects most of the media reports to follow. His penultimate paragraph should tell you which side of the fence he is on.

7 April 2011 at 20:30  
Blogger LobotomySpoon82 said...

I thought his Grace was being sarcastic of sorts, and giving us a foretaste of what the BBC and The Gruniad will claim, when talking about the missile, direct hit, scratches and mild shock, Zionist propaganda, rather than actually meaning it himself.

Was I wrong?

7 April 2011 at 20:33  
Blogger LobotomySpoon82 said...

Oh thanks JR, I was right then, lol.

7 April 2011 at 20:34  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

The land of Canaan can't of been this bad. Give the land back to the Canaanites and have done with it.

All Hail the Mark of Cain and the NWO!

7 April 2011 at 20:39  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

"Dan, you fail to grasp the nature of Hamas or Islam - After all, their motto is "We love death more than you [infidels/jews] love life.""

That wouldn't be so bad. Afterall, like suicide mass murderers they can only do it once. What depresses me is that they sacrifice innocents, both Israeli and Palestinian, who probably love life.

7 April 2011 at 20:40  
Blogger Ariadne said...

The second so-called "intifada" began with an attack on a school bus.

Hamas et al specialise in civilian targets and human shields and are happy to have Gazan children killed too. Despite this the notorious Goldstone Report found Israel guilty and too much of the world aimed to deprive Israel of the right to defend her citizens. The antecedents and suspect connections of the individuals on this Commission would make a very long chapter in a book. The originating body of the report is the despicable dictator-and-tyrant-ridden UNHRC.

Three days before Goldstone issued his retraction there was a meeting in Stanford University.

Here is the link for anyone who would like to see how bad the Goldstone Report was. And still is in our case since the Foreign and Commonwealth Office has decided it is fine with them.

Text and a video are linked from the page in Commentary Magazine.
"What Justice Goldstone heard at Stanford"

7 April 2011 at 20:55  
Anonymous Dreadnaught said...

'The judge who chaired the controversial UN inquiry into Israel's attack on Gaza from December 2008 has expressed regret that his report may have been inaccurate'

www.guardian.co.uk/world/.../goldstone-regrets-report-into-gaza-war - Cached

Better late than never, but who will make as much out of this, as they did the original report,

7 April 2011 at 21:07  
Blogger Ernst, Tiddles and the case of the Traitorous PM said...

Malvoisin said 7 April 2011 20:28

"Atlas shrugs makes mention of a massacre at a childrens school by a muslim in Rio. I am surprised you have not mentioned this."

BBC News 24 just reported this story as worst atrocity in Rio's history but no mention that the murderer was muslim..If he was muslim, says it all really. However BBC 24 News have launched into Netanyahu as expected.

You could set your watch by their bias. LOL.

Ernst, my boy.

7 April 2011 at 21:38  
Blogger Ariadne said...

I suspect not Muslim. His name: Wellington Menezes Oliveira. Age:23.

7 April 2011 at 22:51  
Blogger LobotomySpoon82 said...

From news reports:

Roselane de Oliveira, a sister of the attacker, told Rio de Janeiro radio station Band News that the young man 'was very strange.'
'He had no friends, and he spent all his time on the Internet,' she said.
In recent months, she said, he appeared to have got closer to Islam.

Police Colonel Djalma Beltrami said the killer used two handguns and a lot of ammunition. The suspect left behind a letter, in which he anticipated committing suicide after the attack. Beltrami, however, gave no details of any possible motive.
Beltrami described the letter as 'the words of a person who no longer believes in anything, full of sentences that made no sense and references to Islamic fundamentalism.'

7 April 2011 at 23:14  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

"It was Benjamin Disraeli who said: "The Lord deals with the nations as the nations deal with Jews."

And we wonder why the world is in the mess it's in."

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Disraeli's family background that of an Italian Jew? Maybe he wasn't being entirely impartial in this observation and maybe, just maybe, you're not being either.

8 April 2011 at 00:11  
Anonymous Oswin said...

& wasn't the last dodo done and dusted around the 1680's?

8 April 2011 at 01:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah you know, no big deal.
just a person trying to kill 50 children.
oh it was a small bomb, that makes it ok!
but when israel tries to take out terrorists, and some innocent person gets in the way, then thats HORRIBLE WHAT A EVIL NATION COMMITING GENOCIDE ISRAEL IS TERRIBLE!

8 April 2011 at 01:58  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Acts like these will always be carried out why we have people believing they can kill and maim because its Gods plan.

I morn all the innocent victims of Gods plan.

8 April 2011 at 06:12  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Good mourning by the way.

Top 'o' the mourning.

I have a cunning plan.

All Hail Baldrik!

8 April 2011 at 06:30  
Anonymous greg tingey said...

"....the nature of Hamas or (some of) islam - After all, their motto is "We love death more than you [infidels/jews] love life."

But, we've heard this before, have we not?
"Viva el muerte" - Franco's fascists in Spain.
Hamas/Hizbollah a genuine fascist organisations.
WWII isn't over yet ......

8 April 2011 at 07:45  
Blogger Ernst, Tiddles and the case of the Traitorous PM said...

LobotomySpoon82 7 April 2011 23:14

Thanks, my boy.

Ernst

8 April 2011 at 08:49  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

Genesis 12:2-3. God is speaking to Abraham. “I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you,and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”


Let us pray and hope that our prime minister and foreign secretary support and bless Israel; lest we become a cursed people.

8 April 2011 at 09:29  
Blogger Ernst, Tiddles and the case of the Traitorous PM said...

D Sing said

"Let us pray and hope that our prime minister and foreign secretary support and bless Israel; lest we become a cursed people."

Hague on his previous visit to Arabs states said that UK would re-define it's foreign policy in favour of Arab concerns and to the obvious detriment of that policy towards Israel.

They have stated their position and will pursue it, come what may.

God has declared that Israel is a Stumbling Block and a Cutting Stone in the hands of the nations, as I think we are about to find out?.

Ernst agrees with your hopes but it is futile, my wise old boy.

Ernsty

8 April 2011 at 10:03  
OpenID scottspeig said...

YG,

The fact is that the only way this conflict will end is to go back to medieval style warfare - genocide. Once the gaza strip is "cleansed" (Or Israel for that matter) then the conflict from that area will cease.

The reason wars were fought that way was to stop a fallen nation rising from the ashes. I don't think anything short of that style of warfare will create peace. (and once Gaza is dealt with, the West Bank will start up, then the nations around Israel - it really doesn't look good for Israel does it?)

8 April 2011 at 10:28  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Oswin said...
"& wasn't the last dodo done and dusted around the 1680's?"

Was he? Who can tell? I'm actually hopeful of meeting up soon with a partner. I'm confident she's out there somewhere!

8 April 2011 at 11:36  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Some of these comments are bordering on the paranoid towards supporting Israel - right or wrong - for fear of retribution from God!

The Old Testament also has a consistent theme running through it that Israel will be punished by other nations when she departs from God's law of justice.

Let's stay balanced folks. Not everything Israel does in response to Hamas aggression falls within the moral theological parameters of a just war - proportionality, protection of civilians etc. Everytime she falls into the trap set by Hamas of over-reacting, she not only sins but loses the support of other nations around the world.

Israel is not divinely guided in all she does, nor does God accept all her actions. We can't base a foreign policy on a fear of divine retribution if we criticise her!

8 April 2011 at 11:46  
Blogger Ernst, Tiddles and the case of the Traitorous PM said...

The last dodo 8 April 2011 11:46

Some wise comments but a sweeping generalisation as to what those that hope Israel lives in peaceful, secure borders want.
1 Israel is not beyond criticism..nations and individuals are held accountable.
2. Israel is back in the land, miraculously but is still in denial and refuses to reconcile with God.
3. Therefore Her abode in the land is threatened constantly.
4. "Everytime she falls into the trap set by Hamas of over-reacting, she not only sins but loses the support of other nations around the world." So why does the world not see those traps for what they are..Arab Goodwill with Oil contracts..hypocrites?.
5.If Israel wants peace but Arabs do not, where is the justice that we , in the West, supposedly live by and recognise, yet cannot see the impossible position Israel is in and actually encouraged by countries like the UK in this madness, to continually take part in trading land for peace that never exists, with double dealing Arab Nations.

A sense of true perspective would be helpful and knowing who your friends and enemies are would be nice.

Ernst, my dear birdy.

8 April 2011 at 12:14  
Blogger D. Singh said...

The Last Dodo

You really do misunderstand the motivation of many:

‘Some of these comments are bordering on the paranoid towards supporting Israel - right or wrong - for fear of retribution from God!’

And Ruth said, Intreat me not to leave thee, [or] to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people [shall be] my people, and thy God my God:

The Book of Ruth 1:16

It is not from fear that we ‘love’ Israel. We love Israel because God’s love for Israel burns in our hearts.

8 April 2011 at 13:51  
Blogger LobotomySpoon82 said...

Ernst

Monn pleesewr monn sewr alstublieft.

(My French isn't too fluent unfortunately)

8 April 2011 at 14:54  
Anonymous Ahab`s leg said...

All I can add is that this morning a Jewish friend told me that his grandmother in Israel had to answer her six year old grandchild`s question [his nephew] "Grandma will the Arabs try to kill ME on the school bus?

8 April 2011 at 14:56  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

'Love' often includes criticism and chastisement. The Zionist agenda isn't entirely from God now is it? Many of its adherents are secular Israeli's holding no religious views.

The euphoria accompanying the recreation of Israel, through duplicity and act of terrorism against Britain, and the assumption by so many that it foreshadows the return of Christ, once they've converted to Christianity, mustn't blind us to the crimes this State may be committing albeit under severe provokation.

Indeed, its reconstruction, dating from the late 19th Century, is a murky tale of politics, money and regional vested interests.

Simple point I'm trying to make - that's all.

8 April 2011 at 14:58  
Anonymous Paul said...

If you hurt the Jews you will be treated similarly...

8 April 2011 at 15:08  
Anonymous DanJ0 said...

As ever, I'm optimistic that something can be done there eventually. Palestinian teenagers need to be sharing the love of music, and football, and other shared cultural things together with Israeli teenagers irrespective of their historic differences. The same needs to be done with Pakistani-British teenagers and others over here. Mixed kids up in schools, teach them about the sub-culture of the other, invite them to ask and answer questions, encourage them empathise with each other.

8 April 2011 at 15:36  
Anonymous Oswin said...

The Last Dodo @ 11:36 :

She is, but alas, already stuffed!

8 April 2011 at 16:25  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Oswin said...
"The Last Dodo @ 11:36 :
She is, but alas, already stuffed!"

Arrrrggghhh ...!

But, remember, faith can move mountains friend and I've survived all this time unseen and uncaught against the odds. I'm an optimist.

8 April 2011 at 17:14  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Paul said...
"If you hurt the Jews you will be treated similarly..."

Eh? What on earth is this supposed to mean in the real world?

I think the New Testament suggests we'll all be treated the way we treat others - regardless of race or creed. Or am I misunderstanding the Lord's Prayer?

8 April 2011 at 17:22  
Blogger Ariadne said...

(Two lost comments last night!)

Dodo, you are badly in need of a history lesson. And of information concerning asymmetrical warfare.

I tried above. Starting from the present:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/04/07/what-justice-goldstone-heard/

And Ahab's Leg presents the words of a child which really show what it's all about.

8 April 2011 at 17:23  
Blogger Ernst, Tiddles and the case of the Traitorous PM said...

LobotomySpoon82 made Ernsty chuckle 8 April 2011 14:54

Dear boy, you have obviously been watching 'allo, allo' sporadically or else your fwench would be much better pwonounced. LOL.

Don't go changing, my boy.

Ernst

8 April 2011 at 21:46  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Ariadne said...
"Dodo, you are badly in need of a history lesson. And of information concerning asymmetrical warfare."

I've been treading this sorry planet for hundreds of years and have come to understand that there is history and there is 'history'.

8 April 2011 at 23:19  
Anonymous len said...

Until you understand the roots of anti semitism and God`s plan for Israel and the Jewish Nation these sort of actions will be incomprehensible (and unsolvable).

This goes far beyond the little strip of Land which is Israel.This is a battle as old as time itself and really there are only two participants.

9 April 2011 at 08:26  
Blogger Ernst Stavro Blofeld Ambassador to Vedics and other medical professions + Tiddles said...

Len Said 9 April 2011 08:26

Wisdom, exemplified.

Ernsty

9 April 2011 at 12:37  

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