Friday, May 06, 2011

The massacre of the Liberal Democrats: you reap what you sow

His Grace very much wanted to comment on yesterday’s intervention on the bin Laden ‘murder’ debate by the Archbishop of Canterbury and the response by Bishop Tom Wright. But there is only time for one post today, and the massacre of Liberal Democrats is irresistible.

Unlike Archbishop Rowan, His Grace does not feel ‘uncomfortable’ with the midnight massacre of LibDems, not least because they were (unlike bin Laden) armed to the teeth with explosive flyers, incendiary pamphlets and poisonous propaganda about the infinite merits AV. Yes, these mercenaries thoroughly deserved to die, every single one of them. And His Grace unashamedly rejoices in their passing into political purgatory.

You may feel sorry for Nick Clegg; you may sympathise with hundreds of newly-unemployed councillors. But you reap what you sow. And the LibDems have been sowing an awful lot of parasitic weeds in an awful lot of fertile fields for an awfully long time. It really is no surprise that the gardener has decided on mass extermination: hacking, uprooting, pouring out gallons of Weedol and liberally (and democratically) spraying the flame-thrower – whatever it takes to rid the land of the bindweed pestilence.

You can’t expect to remain a credible political force when you say one thing in England, another in Scotland and yet another in Wales. You don’t earn respect by promising one thing in opposition only to pursue the contrary when in power. You don’t merit sympathy when your entire electoral strategy is constructed on lies, negativity and dirty tricks. Certainly, these are pressing issues for all political parties. But they constitute the foundation, chief cornerstone and entire edifice of the Liberal Democrat construct. His Grace has said it before, but it cannot be repeated too often: the Liberal Democrats are no longer concerned with either liberalism or democracy: they are authoritarian, controlling and fundamentally illiberal. The British people do not like being lied to or deceived, and neither do they appreciate duplicity or betrayal of principle. With Conservative gains and a referendum win for David Cameron, it would appear that the electorate appreciates clarity, stability, honesty and authenticity.


Anonymous malvoisin said...

You state the electorate appreciates clarity,honesty,stability and authenticity. If that is the case why do people still vote for the three main parties? Sadly I can see none of those qualities in the Lib/Lab/Con trick.

6 May 2011 at 10:09  
Blogger killemallletgodsortemout said...

Spot-on, YG.

6 May 2011 at 10:14  
Anonymous tory boys never grow up said...

All your post points out is what happens when you enter into alliances with the Tories. With friends like that who needs enemies. Can we presume Cranmer will be campaigning for the break up of the coalition given what he thinks of his partners??

6 May 2011 at 10:15  
Anonymous bluedog said...

His Grace will no doubt have read the astonishing comments of Lord Ashdown.

Blaming the Conservatives for opposing AV is scarcely realpolitik. The woolly-thinking sandal-wearers seem to have forgotten that when you are the junior partner, and they are, you do not call the shots. It is to be hoped that the Lib-Dems will now successfully build on their electoral collapse by sacking Clegg. Rather than solving the Lib-Dems problems, this will compound them to the advantage of the Conservatives.

After burying the Lib-Dems at sea with appropriate secular ritual, Dave should hurry north to confront Eck.

Dave should call Eck's bluff by offering the immediate poison-pill of a referendum on Scottish independence. After all, the Camerons were Out in the '45 fighting the Hanoverians. In certain Scottish circles this still counts for a great deal, particularly late at night, over a single malt and with the peat burning on the fire. There is magnificent irony in the prospect of a Jacobite scion such as Dave being charged with saving the Union.

Your communicant wishes Dave the best of luck in the mission, with all sincerity. Otherwise its Lochaber no more, indeed.

6 May 2011 at 10:24  
Blogger Gnostic said...

The toxic Limp Dims got well and truly steamrollered. That's what I call a result.

With Conservative gains and a referendum win for David Cameron, it would appear that the electorate appreciates clarity, stability, honesty and authenticity.

I didn't vote "NO" to support Cameron. I certainly do not believe Cameron has a shred of clarity, stability, honesty or authenticity. Nor did I vote for Cameron in the local elections. I did support two of the incumbent Tory councillors who live on my turf do a damn good job. My third vote went to UKIP, also a local.

If the crapolition falls apart after this unwanted referendum I won't be voting for Cameron, I'll be voting UKIP, voting for a smaller, less intrusive State and out of the ruddy EUSSR.

6 May 2011 at 10:30  
Anonymous MrJ said...

A diatribe against the LibDems should help to clear some of the fuddle but much fuddle remains. (The fatuous remarks of Baron "Paddy" Ashdown of Norton-sub-Hamdon, PC, have already been mentioned by bluedog.)

Mention of the incumbent Archbishop's remarks about the reported homicide of bin Laden brings again to mind the consternation aroused by the Archbishop's ill-chosen remarks about Sharia law. It was then reported (12 Feb 2008) that, addressing a synod, he said "...I must of course take responsibility for any unclarity in either the text or in the radio interview, and for any misleading choice of words that has helped to cause distress or misunderstanding among the public at large and especially among my fellow Christians."

Comments on Mr Cameron as Prime Minister withheld pending breathing exercises.

6 May 2011 at 10:47  
Anonymous Gareth said...

Correct me if I'm wrong but the referendum result isn't in yet?

6 May 2011 at 11:02  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Gareth,

Having trounced the LibDems locally, it's highly unlikely the British people will have heeded them and half of Labour on a national referendum.

His Grace is not a betting man, but he wouldn't consider it any sort of gamble if you'd care to wager on the outcome.

6 May 2011 at 11:12  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

His Grace has said it before, but it cannot be repeated too often: the Liberal Democrats are no longer concerned with either liberalism or democracy: they are authoritarian, controlling and fundamentally illiberal.

Atlas has said it before, but it cannot be repeated too often; the Liberal Democrats are no longer concerned with either liberalism or democracy; they are authoritarian, controlling and fundamentally illiberal.

In this type of duplicity The Lib/Dems have much in common with all other British political parties.

The Conservative Party that is the antithesis of conservatism.

The Labour Party that positively hates with a passion only confined to mind controlled ideologues, anything whatsoever to do with working people, and therefore labour in general, except of course their votes.

An SNP, that no longer believes in Scottish independence, if indeed it ever really did in the past.

A UKIP, that is no more likely to get The UK out of Europe then The Lib/Dems, even if it gained a massive overall majority.

A Green Party that is far more Black, then it was ever intended to be Green.

A BNP,( see UKIP.)

A Monster Raving Loony Party, that is not run by, or for monsters, does not organize raves, and is no more loony then the rest.

6 May 2011 at 11:36  
Anonymous opsimath said...

Very well said, sir. But, as someone observed a week or so ago on a blog, the three basic ideas of any political party can be summed up:

1. Get into office.

2. Stay there as long as possible by whatever means possible.

3. Er - that's about it, really.

Nonetheless, it is pleasing to see the LimpDims get there just rewards.

6 May 2011 at 11:52  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

Has His Grace lost his marbles?
I was expecting an act of contrition not a hypocritical attack on the wounded. As the Foreign Secretary rightly said this morning, when the Liberal Democrats joined the coalition they put Nation before Party.
After the dishonesty of the Tory funded 'No to AV' campaign, critics would do well to remember that "you reap what you sow".

6 May 2011 at 12:01  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hopefully the demise of the Lib/Dims will open up space for UKIP to be a rising force in British politics.
I am greatly encouraged by the SNP result in Scotland. I oppose their aims, but they have certainly demonstrated that it is possible for an independence party to come to the fore in national elections.
Go, UKIP, GO!!!

6 May 2011 at 12:16  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

Good line:

'His Grace has said it before, but it cannot be repeated too often: the Liberal Democrats are no longer concerned with either liberalism or democracy: they are authoritarian, controlling and fundamentally illiberal.'

Post-liberalism will slide into fascism!

6 May 2011 at 12:30  
Blogger D. Singh said...


Shut your gob until 22.00 hrs.

6 May 2011 at 12:32  
Anonymous tory boys never grow up said...

D Singh

Clearly you define liberal in a similarly perverse manner to Cranmer. Not sure what the significance of 22.00 hrs is, given that result of the referundum is a foregone conclusion.

6 May 2011 at 13:13  
Blogger The Gray Monk said...

Did the LibDems have a Liebor propagandist on their staff? All the things you mention are Labour stock in trade when it comes to lying, deceiving and thieving.

Well, if AV is dead, you are now stuck with a 'Left/Lefter' choice in the two remaining parties and Liebor is the real villain of every piece. Closet Communists and liars the lot of them...

6 May 2011 at 13:23  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

THATlass Shrugged 6 May 2011 11:36

OMG, I cannot believe I am saying this BUT I concur.

Have you temporarily taken back your senses, my lass.


6 May 2011 at 13:47  
Anonymous graham wood said...

Dear Nick.

Once you have "picked yourslf up, and dusted yourself off, try to

6 May 2011 at 13:50  
Anonymous not a machine said...

I just keep wondering why the lib dems didnt go for the jugular when labour kept pumping out the hate ,this shield notion for the conservatives is a totally wonk theory , they just never got the Labour has failed, narrative that was so much with the public complaint. I perhaps do admit that prior to coalition they played both conservative and Labour spin , but inititially they seemed to have cured that problem. Its the drip drip grumblings that have damaged there vote , I honestly think Chris Huhne made such an error this week in getting AV worng , but other members of the lib dems have made the same sort of vague whiney speaking that doesnt add up or tackles arguments correctly.

Whilst the SNP are recieving a lot of attention , Ed miliband looked a bit a dodo in waiting , not only has ian Gray stood down (ve do not tolerate failiure in smirsch) , but Alec salmond nearly had me in stiches when he pointed out that every seat ed miliband visited in scotland for his fightback begins here mantra , went SNP, Alec noted double whammy of when they sent EdBalls up as well to tell them about finance , creating a determination to get to the polls after his visits .He said he felt almost as though he should he give them there bus ticket back home ! so dire did it come across , yet Ian gray is taking the hit.

not only has AV been disaster for labour leadership contest , as smirsch is now on to its councillors he is on the cusp of labour infight ,for chucking away blair legacy and his decade of debt repayment plan.

6 May 2011 at 14:00  
Blogger English Viking said...

Your Grace,

Unlike yourself, I am a betting man, and I am feeling rather smug today as I managed to get £25 on 'NO' at almost 4-1 several weeks ago.


6 May 2011 at 14:18  
Blogger Graham Davis said...

Before the last general election the LibDems had a cuddly image, they were not like the other two parties aggressive, self serving and untrustworthy. Being partners in the coalition has changed that impression and will probably do lasting damage to them. The student protests about tuition fees showed the LibDem’s to be just like the other two parties, say one thing and then do another. This was not the new politics that many had expected.

Politics is a rough game and it is probably fair to say that the LibDems actually ensured that many of their cherished ambitions made it into the coalition agreement, but they have not received credit for it. Unfortunately for them voters rely on impressions not facts.

Although many of the council seats in the South were not being contested, the regional differences are striking, Labour failing in Scotland but winning in Wales, making a few gains in the South but not many, whist trashing the LibDems in the north. The Tories must be pleased as punch, the LibDems having been their “human shield”.

What does this tell us about the strength of the two main parties, in my opinion not much?

6 May 2011 at 14:28  
Anonymous berserker-nkl said...

I heard the radio World at One with Martha Kearney interviewing (and constantly interrupting as she always does - I think its a emntal tick) various politicians and hearing Lib Dems constantly saying that we have to be more assertive and push their policies more in the coalition.

Why did she not bring up the point that LibDems did badly in the 2010 GE and lost 6 seats and are therefore very junior partners in the coalition? The Conservatives have nearly six times the seats of the LibDems and yet Libs expect equality! What a democratic bunch of wishful thinking timeservers.

I agree that Cameron should push AS for a Scottish Referendum on Independence but of course if they had independence they would still expect the English to subsidise them. Will they pay for their own defence?

6 May 2011 at 14:39  
Blogger Terry White said...

I see D. Singh has been somewhat rude again. Not for the first time either. How does the saying go, manners maketh man? Perhaps he believes he is closer to God than the rest of us and above such matters?
Chris Huhne is a awful loon.
Peter Hain is a terrible pain.
I'm not sure there are adequate words to describe Ed Balls.
Alec Salmond? A darned sight more canny than most politicians. How's it looking now Labour! People are finally realising what a bunch of dictatorial little Hitlers they are. Send 'em packing for good.

6 May 2011 at 16:13  
Anonymous tory boys never grow up said...

"With almost all of the key wards now declared, the BBC's figures for the projected share of the national vote are: Conservatives 35%; Labour 37%; Lib Dems 15%; Others 13%."

Not bad for the first year in opposition - and now the Tories human shield has been destroyed we can go after the real enemy.

6 May 2011 at 16:15  
Anonymous obreption said...

I think His Grace hit the LIbDems exactly where it hurts. I enjoyed the end of my 30 year wait for revenge (it seems to be a topical subject)on the LibDems on the way back from the supermarket. A former Green candidate stopped me to ask how I was, what I was doing etc and we didn't discuss politics. However, I was accosted by a former LibDem Councillor who said: I bet you voted No, you're a Tory. To which I said: you're only half right. I managed to engage and delay his canvassing. His parting shot was: we're going to get rid off Clegg soon. Having heard Simon Hughes on the radio, what a bankrupt party! No wonder they were wiped off the face of the Scottish mainland. I feel alot better for saying that.

6 May 2011 at 18:43  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Mr Bererker @ 14.39 asks in the context of Scotland, 'Will they pay for their own defence?'. Answer, no, not possibly. The best analogy would be the position of Ireland which shelters under the British umbrella without making any formal contribution in Blood or Treasure. Whilst Ireland itself is neutral, Irish citizens may however join HM Armed Forces, and many do. One could possibly expect a similar situation if Scotland surprised and went independent. One could also expect a 'sovereign bases' deal on assets like Holy Loch, Scapa Flow and Rosyth, together with a few airfields.

In the view of this communicant, Dave could restore the situation in Scotland with one hand tied behind his back. He just has to say, 'We will inform Brussels that the UK intends to leave the EU Fishing Agreement so that Scottish fishing grounds may be restored to the Scottish people'. This is a promise that he has to keep, for once. Note Dave does not promise to leave the EU in saying this, a very important point. Eck's position is that he would take Scotland into the EU as a separate state. As such and being just 1% of the EU by population, Scotland has no capacity to negotiate on its own terms, unlike the UK. On this basis the EU is turned against Eck who cannot promise to restore the fishing grounds with any credibility.

6 May 2011 at 22:32  
Blogger English Pensioner said...

One of the LibDems problems was that they did well in Local Government because they had a different policy for each constituency, according to local demand. No one noticed this, as long as things happened locally, and the fact that they might do something entirely different in, say, Yorkshire than thy did in Cornwall, was irrelevant.
But in National Government, you have to have the same policy everywhere, you can no longer be all things to all people, with the result that half of your supporters promptly became very unhappy!

6 May 2011 at 23:56  
Blogger Harry-ca-Nab said...

L is for Labour, L is for....

7 May 2011 at 06:26  

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