Friday, May 13, 2011

The Rally Against Debt cannot morally be opposed

Saturday 14th May at 11.00am is the appointed time for the Rally Against Debt. It commences at Old Palace Yard in Westminster and (if you’re bothered) promises to finish in good time for the FA Cup final. You might think a rally against debt to be a bit weird; though, granted, not as strange as a war on terror. But this growing tendency to agitate, protest or take up arms against ontological concepts has got to stop. The nation’s debt cannot heed the rally any more than terror can be warred against: we slay terrorists, and so must re-educate the debtors, because the cause of debt is overspending; the cause of overspending is people’s greed and impatience; therefore the cause of debt is people’s greed and impatience.

The Rally against Debt is, in reality, a moral exhortation to people (and so the Government) to live within their means. It is essentially a response to the ‘March Against Cuts’, held earlier this year, which brought together many thousands of people whose logical objective was to sustain the nation’s debt and increase the budget deficit.

There is a most excellent line-up of speakers for the Rally, including:

Paul Staines, political blogger (Guido Fawkes)
Mark Littlewood, Director General of the Institute of Economic Affairs
Priti Patel MP, Member of Parliament for Witham
Matthew Sinclair, Director of the TaxPayers’ Alliance
Bill Cash MP, Member of Parliament for Stone
Martin Durkin, documentary filmmaker and activist (Britain’s Trillion Pound Horror Story)
Nigel Farage MEP, Member of the European Parliament for South East England

They even asked His Grace to preach, but, alas, having no corporeal presence, he was regretfully obliged to decline (...he understands that this is becoming rather tiresome, especially to a few TV producers).

His Grace hopes, however, that at least one of the above speakers will highlight something of the moral dimension of this Rally. If not, here is the essence of what His Grace would have said, had his ethereal non-corporeal state permitted:

It is the task of a righteous government to care for the poor and disenfranchised, and also to resist injustice. His Grace is sick of hearing of how ‘Government cuts’ are ‘destroying communities’, ‘harming family life’ or ‘making the poor poorer’. These ‘cuts’ (such as they are) are concerned with living within our means: it is simple cause and effect that the greater the nation’s debt, the more interest is paid. And when a nation is spending billions of pounds on debt interest every year, those are billions which are not being spent on the poor, on healthcare, on welfare or on education.

For those who believe that Edward Miliband walks righteously in the shadow of Nelson Mandela, Emmeline Pankhurst and Martin Luther King in his quest against the ‘Coalition's cuts’, please consider that debt and poverty are not a partisan issues: all politicians seek to end poverty, for none is downright evil (well, there might be one or two individual exceptions, but no political party in the UK exists specifically to propagate evil [having said that, there might be one exception...]). Yet the only true and lasting solution is the one which pays down unsustainable levels of debt and balances the annual budget. Even the Liberal Democrats now understand this. Labour remain myopic in their ‘anti-Tory’ obsession: whatever the Conservatives seek to do must be evil, for all which emanates within their ‘right-wing’ heart is pseudo-Thatcherite, and so irredeemably evil.

Jesus spoke more about money than he did about heaven and any other subject. Both the Old and New Testaments teach that God is the owner of all (Gen 14:19, 22; Mt 5:45; Acts 17:28), and that we are stewards or trustees and wholly accountable for everything (Lk 16:1-13). The key word in the dealing of believers with Mammon is ‘faithfulness’: a steward must be faithful (1Cor 4:1f). Money is not in itself evil, but the love of it is (1Tim 6:7ff). The first disciple to fall was over money, which he never lived to spend (Jn 12:4ff; 13:7-29); the first sin in the Church concerned the giving of money to the Lord (Acts 5:1-10); and the judgement of God upon the world finance system is symbolised by 666, which bestows the power to buy and sell (Rev 13:16-18).

God instituted a financial order which includes tithes (Lev 27:30-33; Mt 5:20) and offerings (Rom 12:8; 1 Cor 13:3). It is noteworthy that tithing was before the Law; it was not of the Law. Offerings were to be abundantly and joyfully from the heart (2Cor 8f). There is nothing little about taxation and nothing about state welfare, with which ‘Christians Against Cuts’ appear to be concerned. But there is an awful lot about blessings and cursings on the use and abuse of money. If one withholds what belongs to the Lord, one can expect to pay the consequences: a curse does not come without a cause (Prov 26:2). The extent to which the nation is in financial difficulty now is in direct proportion to the extent the last Labour government unrighteously administered the nations’ wealth. How much did they put in they invest for the future? How much did they put in the ‘storehouse’ (Mal 3:8-10)? What is the national debt? How much have they purloined unjustly from the people? Is this theft? If so, thieves cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1Cor 6:10). And ignorance is no excuse: whole nations can be cursed when there is no righteous financial order.

No democratic government wants to raise taxes or impose cuts in public services, not least because both hurt the demos and impede the government’s quest to be returned to office at a general election. But in a righteous financial order, debts are repaid and the books are balanced. If they are not, the consequent curse is simply left for future generations.

The Rally Against Debt cannot morally be opposed. Those who would must prefer to sustain a situation in which £120 million is paid every day in interest rather than on hospitals, schools, welfare or on justice for the poor. How can it be moral to saddle our children and our unborn children's children with a tax bill which will cripple their finances and inhibit their freedom? The pursuit of fiscal righteousness is undoubtedly painful, but that's because it demands discipline and we are just not used to living within our means. The objective of this Rally is not simply a political necessity; it is a moral imperative. A bankrupt Britain is in no-one's interests. If we are to avoid going the way of Greece, Ireland, Portugal or (imminently) Spain, there really is no alternative.

73 Comments:

Blogger Old Holborn said...

it is morally repugnant to welcome new born children into the world with the yolk of their labour already bonded to the State with debt. I will be there, and I will let the press know that my children will not be slaves to those who cannot wait to earn their iPad2s

13 May 2011 at 17:57  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Isn't the core argument - though by observation it is often forgotten by moaners - one of degree? That is, one can reduce spending, increase taxes, increase GDP through growth, or a combination of those? Reducing spending may adversely affect growth. Raising taxes may adversely affect growth. Spending to invest may promote growth. Lack of growth may increase unemployment which increases spending on welfare. And so on. In short, it's not a trivial problem to solve and it's not clear which is the best approach.

13 May 2011 at 18:34  
Anonymous MrJ said...

"... the only true and lasting solution is the one which pays down unsustainable levels of debt and balances the annual budget".

Not the first time that this point has been stated publicly, but it is of such importance that it needs to be repeatedly said, in ways such as this, until the governing and governed come to take it in and act upon it.

Publishing the article here for onward twittering, linkage etc will probably be more effectual than had it been delivered at the RAD. But will those speakers also publish similarly?

13 May 2011 at 18:37  
Blogger English Pensioner said...

Unless there is violence,it certainly won't be reported on the BBC.

13 May 2011 at 18:54  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Agree with the thrust of the article and with some of observations made by Danjo above.

Would like to add a qualification to the comment:

" .. the cause of debt is overspending; the cause of overspending is people’s greed and impatience; therefore the cause of debt is people’s greed and impatience."

Greed and impatience may well be a part of man's fallen state, as evidenced in the Biblical quotes cited in the blog.

However, this is fed by our capitalist system which bombards us with adverts telling us we are unfilled if we don't have this or that. And the banking system encouraged irresponsible spending.

Let's go forward carefully and resist the temptation to categorise the poor as 'deserving' or 'undeserving' as has been happening recently.

The poor may always be with us - the way we respond to their need will surely define just how 'christian' we are.

13 May 2011 at 18:57  
Anonymous Old Grumpy said...

Alas there are plenty of people around who are quite happy to accept massive amounts from the (bankrupt) state, without a care as to where it comes from or whoelse goes short to pay for it. It's the philosphy that cash comes out from holes in the wall by magic.

The converse is the fat cats (bankers, captains of industry for whom failure merely means a massive inflation proof pension and pay-off)

It's odd that people at both ends of this political spectrum actually have so much in common with each other, neamly greed and no social conscience.

As uusal it's the suckers in the middle who end up paying for both of them. The Big Society only works because they pay for it.

Old Grumpy

13 May 2011 at 19:38  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

[having said that, there might be one exception...]).

The exception of which you speak is undoubtedly The Labour Party.

Although unlike many supporters of The Labour Party I do not think that Labour Party member voters, or MP's are intrinsically Evil people, far from it.

Socialism on the other hand......

The problem socialists have is that they have little or no real idea what socialism actually is, who benefits from it, therefore who brought it into being, and so who has also been most secretly propagating this most evil of all evil ideologies all over the planet for the last 160 odd years.

Put most simply socialism is the politics of DIVISION, and needless self-sacrifice. A incredibly nasty concept that is so seductively propagated that even self-proclaimed conservatives believe it to have some degree of merit.

Cameron for example certainly does, he is after all a member of The British Aristocracy, if only a reasonably minor one.

Socialism has ultimately NOTHING whatsoever to do with looking after ordinary people, or their interests. Socialism is indeed the ordinary peoples 4 horses of The Apocalypse rolled into one, with a few even more mass murdering beast like knobs added on.

Socialism is a death cult. However don't take my word for it, ask the people of Cuba, Cambodia, Nazi Germany, Viet-Nam, China, and The Soviet Union.

Unfortunately for all of us we all live to a greater or slightly lesser extent in a socialist society.

That is one, secretly or otherwise completely designed and run, by our own ruling elites, rather then one that has anything much to do with the will, interests, or design of the ordinary people.

However it would be most unfair of me to claim that being run the way we are is inherently worse then the alternative.

This is because we have been run by EVIL for so very long, we no longer have either the wits or imagination to conceive what a world truly run by ordinary people would actually be like.

It may have turned out to be a modern day paradise, or simply a more prehistoric looking paradise with the ordinary people still effectively living in caves, or worse, still swinging through the trees.

We will not only never know for sure, we will soon enough, not even be able to ask the question.

13 May 2011 at 19:54  
Anonymous LCF said...

As so very often, Your Grace, I cannot find a word with which to disagree in your well thought-out and presented post.

I would just, though, like to add my voice to the doubtless increasing volume that your ashened ears must detect, to beg you to make more forthright your presence in the mainstream media. At least, perhaps, through radio interviews.

Your voice is one which desperately (and I really do mean desperately) needs to be heard.

13 May 2011 at 20:18  
Blogger English Viking said...

Hey Dodo,

Thought I'd throw you a curveball - I'm a distributist, and if we as a nation had that system we would never have found ourselves in such a mess.

BTW (not to Dodo, just anyone who knows) I am useless at computers. My fat fingers stab at buttons and white man's magic appears on the screen. Except it wouldn't, for the best part of 2 days. Where is yesterdays blog? Why can't I always comment. Is it me, or the intra-web?

13 May 2011 at 20:31  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

I agree protests and marches are of no use YG but the question of who we are in debt to is of concern, a showdown between the people and the puppets seems unavoidable.

What form should it take, a lawful one I would hope but there is no law without justice, nor justice without peace. A ruler of a country may rule over a
country, but he cannot direct or control the intangibles such
as peace, joy, hope, and so on.

We need our prince of peace to fulfill the law.

13 May 2011 at 20:33  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

I would even go so far as to say the war on terror is the begining of a World without peace or law.

Debt and terror have an intertwined relationship that should warrant more study.

13 May 2011 at 20:47  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Viking: "Where is yesterdays blog? Why can't I always comment. Is it me, or the intra-web?"

By observation, I think blogger's database either grew too big or got corrupted. I was variously getting an obscure error report from blogger itself and then blogger was taken offline last night. It hiccuped a bit this morning and I suspect they have reverted to a backup of the whole thing from several days ago. Doh.

13 May 2011 at 20:49  
Blogger English Viking said...

DanJ0

'Grew too big, obscure error, was taken, back-up, corrupted'.


Eh? Is this some sort of gay thing?

13 May 2011 at 20:57  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

A full three cheers for this one Cranmer. I wish a local Marxist vicar would take note (in typical stroppy Marxist style, he's ceased printing my comments since they point out all his errors & inconsistencies)

But I find myself torn. Whilst I fully agree with the principle, I find it hard to endorse the cuts when I hear of India & Pakistan being given record levels of "Aid"; whist we embark on another costly, pointless, unwinnable military "intervention" in Libya; whilst we INCREASE the EU budget; whilst we bail-out other failed EU economies; and whilst bankers award themselves their obscene "bonuses".

Believe me, I get fed up of visiting families whose children are fed on a diet of crap and with inadequate footwear or clothing, whilst the parents get new tattoos and a 50" plasma telly and spend £20pw on lottery tickets.

But how can we condemn them whilst we turn a blind eye to the excesses I highlighted above?

13 May 2011 at 21:05  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"The extent to which the nation is in financial difficulty now is in direct proportion to the extent the last Labour government unrighteously administered the nations’ wealth."

I loathed the governments of Blair and Brown, though mostly because of their illiberal drive. But I think what you write there is not strictly and drectly true.

As far as I can tell, it was mostly the easy availability of credit, the lack of financial regulation, and the house price boom that did for us. Of course, New Labour buggered stuff up with the tripartite regulation system but this goes back to Mrs T.

That's not to say that Mrs T is completely to blame as her Big Bang could be seen as the impetus but the thing needed to be slowed down again once it got going and in accordance with the issues of the later economic environments.

So, it mostly was the banks who misadministered the nation's wealth but it was the regulator, HMT, and the BofE who failed to control the banks.

13 May 2011 at 21:06  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"Grew too big, obscure error, was taken, back-up, corrupted'. Eh? Is this some sort of gay thing?"

No. That's not the story of the Church either.

13 May 2011 at 21:11  
Anonymous Atlas shugged said...

Alas there are plenty of people around who are quite happy to accept massive amounts from the (bankrupt) state, without a care as to where it comes from or whoelse goes short to pay for it. It's the philosphy that cash comes out from holes in the wall by magic.

This is not a philosophy this is your reality. Money does not exactly grow on trees, reality is much worse then that, for at least leaves are a finite commodity.

Money however is created out of thin air, and is therefore in theory infinite, as the vast majority of it does not even require finite amounts of paper on which to be written. I give as an example early 1930's Europe, and more especially Germany.

Wealth on the other hand has to be generated, and is therefore quite a different matter. Wealth creation requires hard work, modern technologies, masses of investment that can never be recovered during even 2-3 life-times, ever more efficiency, and effectively rising productivity.

Money should be simply a method to more easily promote trade between people. However this is not what money has become, as the control of the money supply has long since been in the hands of ultimately the Devil on Earth, and his followers.

This control of the issuing, and distribution of money around the world has been used to finance the last 2 world WW's and most likely every serious conflict on this planet ever since.

Our ruling elites have used this ill-gotten power to systematically buy up every important peace of real-estate, educational, media, industrial, and financial corporation, national, and pan-national government on the planet.

Our wealth, or desperate lack of any at all, is measured in evermore worthless pieces of paper, while our masters wealth is measured in real productive capacity, that gives them an ever increasing amount of very real power over us .

They of course help to pacify the plebs by throwing us a few scraps from their table, in the name of socialism, which of course we pay for with interest anyway. While they continue to clean up what little productive capacity that still remains out of the reach of their blood soaked hands.

If you though that was bad enough, then please read on, because it could be about to get much worse.

They used to need us, they now don't much, and soon enough will not need us at all, which should worry everyone.

13 May 2011 at 21:21  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

These ‘cuts’ (such as they are) are concerned with living within our means

Even after the cuts, we’ll be living way beyond the country’s means as governments continue to borrow to prop up a welfare system that has long been a giant Ponzi scheme. Having wrecked our finances, Western politicians are now in the process of wrecking our countries by importing immigrants in an attempt to restore the worker to pensioner ratio. The numbers that would be needed are staggering; in Reflections on the Revolution in Europe, Christopher Caldwell writes:

❛The United Nations Population Division calculates that replicating the age structure and support ratio of Europe would require 701 million immigrants, or considerably more than the continent’s entire present-day population, by midcentury.❜

13 May 2011 at 21:59  
Blogger English Viking said...

DanJ0,

I was just jerking your chain dude, chill out.

PS WV bumboy. Strange, eh?

13 May 2011 at 22:12  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

English Viking said...
"Hey Dodo,
Thought I'd throw you a curveball -I'm a distributist, and if we as a nation had that system we would never have found ourselves in such a mess."

Now you have confused me! I thought you hated all things 'catty-lick'?

You're actually proposing a Roman Catholic economic philosophy based on Catholic social teaching! Heavens above!

Have you read "De Rerum Novarum"? Brilliant articulation and application of christian principles to economics and social affairs, putting both liberals and socialists to shame.

Maybe there is some hope for you after all my little 'potty-stank' pal.

13 May 2011 at 22:45  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Rally Against Debt makes a whole lot more sense than marching against cuts. I just wish I could be there. Good luck to everyone involved.

13 May 2011 at 22:57  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

They had dig for victory in WWII and I believe it makes more sence today, if we dig up the lawns of every Town hall, to plant carrots.

Spread the word, the international bankers were behind Communism and they intend to starve us to death.

Dig for victory!

13 May 2011 at 23:04  
Anonymous not a machine said...

When I used to hear words like the UK was the 5th biggest economy in the world ,I always felt a certain sort of security . The banks were sober institutions ,if not a little dull and borrowing money was a serious matter and if a large enough sum, required a branch meeting , to present yourself as being of suitable charcture and means ,that the bank manager should consider you the sort of risk that would keep the whole company afloat.
It was precisely this national attitude that ensured that even at the very top of banking there were men and women that understood pennies mattered .If even not entirely honest about saving rates or the small print ,by enlarge every branches reputation was as important as avoiding incompetent news in the FT.
When the banks began the personal credit flood in 2004 (before election year), there were no warning signals from the banks , it was made to seem like it was Gordon Brown genius/maverick manouver of ecnomic boom.Vince became a sage ,warning of bubbles and yet as he pointed out last night on QT keynes never explained what you would do in banking collapse.
We all had a brief but jolly good time on phone up and get as you much as you want credit ,it was perhaps a form of socialism , easy credit ,fill yer boots me heartys ,captn broon has got treasure prise for all ahha.
Personal debt is tragic ,it leaves sometimes irrepairable wounds ,National debt is govermental incomptence as it affects everyones future .IT is worth remembering that not only did Labour (with an excellent set of 1997 books) have 13yrs in office with a new era IT boom ,but that it left bequeathing a 10yr deficet plan ,which means not only did it use up the wealth created when in office ,but consumed the future wealth along with it.Which begs one hell of an explanation really . Nero perhaps only just beating it.
Debt is very much about the future ,that is why individuals and goverments should consider its effects. Labour have left a debt that has changed/unbalanced the Uks economy for decade much of effects will be experienced by its own gullable voters ,who were led to think somthing for nothing was a stroke of genius rather than a machivellian political lie.

I shall leave you with this snippet from this weeks treasury questions "in 1999 50% of the uks gold reserves was sold for $3.6bn ,today that gold would be worth $19bn"
I never found out if the currency securities it bought in the $,yuan and wait for it the Euro ,were any good , did we buy into the euro bust?. Add in defnce deficets of £28bn and bank bailouts and you begin to get an idea the monumental scale of what Labour did with the nations peoples future and even its unborn.

It must never happen again ,it is criminal ,and it is Labours fault for corrupting every alarm that used to exist in the finance system for politcal ends for a ultimately fraudulent political ideaology.

13 May 2011 at 23:35  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

"The Rally Against Debt cannot morally be opposed"

Don't be stupid - you may argue about how the debt is used and how it is used and whether the level is sustainable and can be financed, but to argue against debt itself is just plain silly. Remember that for any debt there has to be an investor or saver elsewhere - do you really wish to argue that they are immoral as well as they fund the debt habit.

As for Guido lecturing us on morality - please do try and be serious.

@Bred in bone

"They had dig for victory in WWII and I believe it makes more sence today, if we dig up the lawns of every Town hall, to plant carrots.

Spread the word, the international bankers were behind Communism and they intend to starve us to death.

Dig for victory!"

At the end of WW2 we had a far higher relative level of National Debt than we had now - was that debt immoral as well? As for the reference to the international bankers we should all know that is rather dodgy to say the least.

13 May 2011 at 23:50  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

I'm not pottystank, nor catlick, you should know better by now.

I once heard that both Hitler and Vlad the Impaler believed that 1+1=2.

Just because wicked men believe certain things that are demonstrably true, that does not make them (the certain things) false.

I think Distributism a good thing, not because a catlick says so, but because it is true.

BTW I have not read your recommendation.

I have read 'The servile state', 'The history of England', ' Warfare in England' and, most importantly, 'The redistribution of property'.

One cannot refute obvious truth, even if it would come from Satan himself, and I do not compare Belloc with that foul beast.

I despise Socialism, in its current form, but if one were to have read 'The ragged trousered philanthropists' 80 years ago, one would no doubt have considered it a Christian duty to have voted Labour.

Oh, how things change. Good thing Christ doesn't.

PS. If you have not read TRTP by Robert Tressell, get a copy, and learn. Next to the Bible, it was the most important book I have ever read.

And you thought me an unlearned thug!

13 May 2011 at 23:53  
Blogger English Viking said...

Not a Machine,

I'm old enough to remember the words 'The UK (GB, then, actually, but let's not quibble) is the world's second biggest economy'.

I can assure you, I took no comfort from it then.

It will not be long, until those we had the whip-hand over, will have the whip-hand over us.

I refer you to the comments made by the honourable gentleman some decades ago.

http://youtu.be/fDcCFzRpkjQ

14 May 2011 at 00:02  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Economic causes prior to Blair-Brown regime, regressing:

'70's, including Mr Heath's Great Betrayal Act (aka European Communities Act 1972, under or connected with which the bulk of UK legislation and policy-making is now being made); '50's, Sir Anthony's Suez invasion; '40's+, failure properly to carry through reform of school-age education, and Beveridge Report due to ideological subversion; ...

where to begin short of the Biblical passages cited in the article?

But while the present state of affairs has much to do with "Britain’s Trillion Pound Horror Story" (link next to Martin Durkin in the article) the present PM and his deputy and other cabinet members, and all but 2 (+2 tellers) voted for the passage of the Climate Change Act 2008 in the House of Commons, one of the most obvious instances of political dereliction in recent years contributing to the deepening crisis.

14 May 2011 at 00:08  
Blogger English Viking said...

Mr J,

I know you are more informed than most, but I'm afraid
the real debt is closer to 4 trillion than 1.

PPP's, PFI's, Final Salary Pensions, State Pensions, etc, etc,

It's over.

14 May 2011 at 00:15  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Any advance on £4 trillion? ‘Britain’s total debt will top £10 trillion by 2015’—Daily Telegraph

14 May 2011 at 00:25  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

My Mate NAM said 13 May 2011 23:35

"It must never happen again ,it is criminal ,and it is Labours fault for corrupting every alarm that used to exist in the finance system for politcal ends for a ultimately fraudulent political ideaology."

Bang on the nail. SCUMBAGS! How Ernst hates seeing that toerag Balls spouting his rubbish on the media. Complete loser like the toerag Brown he used to 'advise' on economic matters. What front!

BALLS, SHUT THE HELL UP. Only fools believe you!

EV said 14 May 2011 00:02

"I'm old enough to remember the words 'The UK (GB, then, actually, but let's not quibble) is the world's second biggest economy'." ME TOO. Showing our ages, old boy.

"It will not be long, until those we had the whip-hand over, will have the whip-hand over us."...and will be much less generous with us unlike we were/are to them?

"http://youtu.be/fDcCFzRpkjQ" His final comments are like an epitaph for a nation and are still burned into Ernst's memory.

MrJ said 14 May 2011 00:08

"But while the present state of affairs has much to do with "Britain’s Trillion Pound Horror Story" (link next to Martin Durkin in the article) the present PM and his deputy and other cabinet members, and all but 2 (+2 tellers) voted for the passage of the Climate Change Act 2008 in the House of Commons, one of the most obvious instances of political dereliction in recent years contributing to the deepening crisis." A fine comment of monumental discernment, my lad. The means of breaking the camel's back, perhaps.

Ernst

14 May 2011 at 00:33  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

EV 14 May 2011 00:15 & Johnny R said 14 May 2011 00:25

You are both so right.

I look at my 3 children and little grandson and despair for their futures.
How will it all end..terribly, no doubt.

Think I'll drop a little scotch into my coffee, for medicinal purposes, of course.

Ernst.

14 May 2011 at 00:40  
Blogger English Viking said...

ESB+T

Oh, It is such a sad thing to see our nation, our inheritance, our land and our people wrecked, little by little.

If, perhaps, there is some consolation, perhaps it is this;

that folk like Johnny R and EV and even yourself exist at all?

There will be a fight to the death.

I'll be pleased to stand by your side.

Win or lose: at least we will have been brave enough to try.

14 May 2011 at 00:56  
Blogger English Viking said...

ESB+T

You'll forgive a savage his vice, surely?

Vodka makes the man.

Whisky kills him.

Your good health, Sir.

14 May 2011 at 00:59  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

EV said 14 May 2011 00:59.


Can't put excellent vodka in fine coffee, that would be completely barbaric but Ernst knows what you mean!

Ernst's favourite tipple is G & T with lashings of ice and fresh lime slices but makes me very morose.
No wonder it was called 'Mother's Ruin'.

Ernst remembers drinking several on the balcony of HOP in 2004 as the guest of an MP, wondering how that place had got so corrupt in such a short space of time. Wonderful view of the Thames to have a drink from, jammy swines.

SCUMBAGS!

Cheers.

Ernst, old boy.

14 May 2011 at 01:11  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

EV

As His Grace has stated about The Bible and money, if children were still taught what it preaches then maybe we would not all be staring down the barrel with both triggers cocked.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/246638/-Limited-knowledge-of-Bible-impact.

What on earth do they teach children in school these days. I want to cry for this dumbed-down generation, honestly.

Prov 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Deut. 6:7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
Ephes. 6:4 And, ye fathers,provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
2 Tim. 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

A forsaken generation regarding godly wisdom.

Ernst.

14 May 2011 at 01:45  
Anonymous not a machine said...

I think public sector penison liabilities are £100bn ,which is perhaps what you get when you have a public sector on gross wages.

I perhaps shouldnt be too upset that vast swathes of the public believe "it was the bankers" when clearly so much debt was being run by "the Labour government". This transfer of blame by those that done it ,so to speak , some might consider politcally clever as it has slithered out of so many direct questions as mere "poor regulation" or "poor judgment". I would perhaps consider waterboarding ,until one of them fessed , it was a deliberate scorched earth policy as they had been rumbled.

The other question is of course how so much wrong doing was hidden ,and at best treated a feather duster in terms of understanding it.Why/how was so much of the alarm/checks and balances disabled or for that matter so many so called great minds, so economically blind folded or repressed.

English Viking: how does collapsing debt policy to birth fabian socialism scenario work for you. I am very familiar with said mps work ,I owe his speaking to showing what communism/socialism was truly capable of destroying when it runs its course.To speak about things that span decades is a great intellect.I too despise socialism ,it centralises at the expense of personal understanding/worth ,it is a malfunctioning blinding tyranny imposed upon a natural godly purpose, with murderous intent/finality.I genuinely do not know what is needed to ensure we get the UK working again ,but any political idea that does not put work and wealth back at the individual level (and make public sector economically work) will be doomed to run the same corrupt course, which is perhaps what some would want

Ernst:I think you will find Mr Fawkes has a good quote on his side bar.

As for those Labour luvvies and professional devouts who only use/understand leftspeak and have seen little else of life other than travelling between media productions,union confernces ,Labour HQ and propoganda functions and twitter power lunches, you have hopefully failed the hopes/dreams of the ordinary working person for the last time !

And in case you think I am biased I have not held back from critcising my tory fellows ,when not considering how churchill saw people within capitalism.It remains to be seen wether the perfect socialist centalised and controlled ecnomic construct ,takes everyone with it when it fails and keeps doing so until proper fenced markets and accounts return.

I would add the financial bankrupty has gone hand in hand with moral conduct decline ,and the latter is not much fun for the ordinary people either who live amongst the moral disintegration.

14 May 2011 at 01:50  
Blogger English Viking said...

Ernst,

If only it was left to the likes of me and thee, all would be well,

Can't say I 'm not partial to a wee dram, but I must admit I favour the see-through stuff.

And the people that come with it,

If there was hope, it lay with Russia.

Really. They are the last that shoot first, ask questions later.

14 May 2011 at 02:21  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"And in case you think I am biased I have not held back from critcising my tory fellows ,when not considering how churchill saw people within capitalism.It remains to be seen wether the perfect socialist centalised and controlled ecnomic construct ,takes everyone with it when it fails and keeps doing so until proper fenced markets and accounts return."

Dear NAM.

You forget that proper fenced markets and accounts were NOT what Tories wanted as they said Labour were too regulation driven.
Labour were EXACTLY like Tories but spoke about regulation and then turned a blind eye to it (forgive the pun, not meant to single out the Kirkcaldy Maniacal SCUMBAG).

Hence collapse of megabanks and the failure to regulate the Energy Industry effectively, which we will come to rue very shortly.

My point and maybe EV and MrJ's is that they have all morphed into one and whatever you believed historically is simply that. Its historical.

Ernst, my lass. Goodnight and God Bless to NAM, EV and all.

ps

Last night Ernst was walking along the road and feeling really low, ill health etc. Ernst was contemplating what it is all about and talking to the Lord about maybe its time to come home and be in His presence. I felt a hand touch my shoulder and turning round I saw a young man who seemed embarassed to have stopped me, a stranger. He said "God told me I had to tell you this. Jesus Loves You". He let out an awkward giggle, like he felt he had temporarily lost control of his senses. I thanked him for his message. Oh how I would have liked to tell him how much I needed to hear this but I missed my opportunity.
God Bless the lad for doing what the Holy Spirit asked him to do, even if he wondered why he must tell this pathetic, decrepid old fella some good news.

The Lord works in mysterious ways, His wonders to perform. How wonderful it is to be encouraged by The Lord.

14 May 2011 at 02:37  
Blogger English Viking said...

Ernst,

My God will most certainly bless, thee and me both.

14 May 2011 at 03:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I encourage everyone to research & understand the economic principle of debt.
Debt is not,of itself, "a bad thing "- quite the reverse.

Living beyond one's means,however, is "a bad thing".
My grandpa - a coalminer who was a powerful formative influence - eschewed debt.He paid cash , or he managed without.
He died with very meagre assets - and ZERO liabilities.

Marcus Foxall

14 May 2011 at 03:29  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

tory boys never grow up said..."As for the reference to the international bankers we should all know that is rather dodgy to say the least"

If international banking was opposed to communism, it would never have taken off. In fact it would have been squashed as effectively as National Socialist Germany was.

“Germany’s unforgivable crime before the second world war,” Churchill said,” was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world’s trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit.”

14 May 2011 at 07:43  
Anonymous MrJ said...

To my mind, Bitb 07:43 is nearer the present point than Marcus Foxall 03:29.

Another major part of the picture:

NAM 01:50 "...public sector pension liabilities are £100bn, which is perhaps what you get when you have a public sector on gross wages.... vast swathes of the public believe 'it was the bankers' when clearly so much debt was being run by 'the Labour government'."

And now the prospect is as appalling as generations of forebears have had before them: which has been recalled by the link at Blofeld (aka Ernst) earlier this morning (01:45); to whom thanks for the story at ps 02:37.

Kyrie eleison.

14 May 2011 at 08:50  
OpenID waddell said...

"His Grace has no corporeal presence"

That may be so, but neither did Guido Fawkes until a couple of years ago.

Consider a resurrection, Your Grace.

14 May 2011 at 09:57  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you thinking what Timo Soini is thinking?

‘At the risk of being accused of populism, we'll begin with the obvious: It is not the little guy who benefits. He is being milked and lied to in order to keep the insolvent system running. He is paid less and taxed more to provide the money needed to keep this Ponzi scheme going. Meanwhile, a symbiosis has developed between politicians and banks: Our political leaders borrow ever more money to pay off the banks, which return the favor by lending ever more money back to our governments.

‘In a true market economy, bad choices get penalized. Instead of accepting losses on unsound investments—which would have led to the probable collapse of some banks—it was decided to transfer the losses to taxpayers via loans, guarantees and opaque constructs such as the European Financial Stability Fund.

‘The money did not go to help indebted economies. It flowed through the European Central Bank and recipient states to the coffers of big banks and investment funds.

‘Further contrary to the official wisdom, the recipient states did not want such "help," not this way. The natural option for them was to admit insolvency and let failed private lenders, wherever they were based, eat their losses.

‘Why did the Brussels-Frankfurt extortion racket force these countries to accept the money along with "recovery" plans that would inevitably fail? Because they needed to please the tax-guzzling banks, which might otherwise refuse to turn up at the next Spanish, Belgian, Italian or even French bond auction.

‘Unfortunately for this financial and political cartel, their plan isn't working. Already under this scheme, Greece, Ireland and Portugal are ruined. They will never be able to save and grow fast enough to pay back the debts with which Brussels has saddled them in the name of saving them.

‘Setting up the European Stability Mechanism is no solution. It would institutionalize the system of wealth transfers from private citizens to compromised politicians and failed bankers, creating a huge moral hazard and destroying what remains of Europe's competitive banking landscape.’

14 May 2011 at 10:18  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace said

"The extent to which the nation is in financial difficulty now is in direct proportion to the extent the last Labour government unrighteously administered the nations’ wealth. How much did they put in they invest for the future? How much did they put in the ‘storehouse’ (Mal 3:8-10)? What is the national debt? How much have they purloined unjustly from the people? Is this theft? If so, thieves cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1Cor 6:10). And ignorance is no excuse: whole nations can be cursed when there is no righteous financial order."

Genesis 41:28-33

:28 This is the thing which I have spoken unto Pharaoh:
What God is about to do he sheweth unto Pharaoh.
:29 Behold, there come seven years of great plenty throughout all the land of Egypt:
:30 And there shall arise after them seven years of famine;
and all the plenty shall be forgotten in the land of Egypt;
and the famine shall consume the land;
:31 And the plenty shall not be known in the land by reason of that famine following;
for it shall be very grievous.
:32 And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice;
it is because the thing is established by God,
and God will shortly bring it to pass.
:33 Now therefore let Pharaoh look out a man discreet and wise,
and set him over the land of Egypt.

Just when we needed a Joseph, we got a Gordon.

Ernst.

ps

"@JamesDelingpole How can I bribe Boy to come with me on #rallyagainstdebt? <- tell him his future pocket money will be £17k less. " Sheer brilliance.lol.

14 May 2011 at 11:39  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Re Timo Soini, Anon. 10:18: Remove all trace of references to Zion etc (as everyone knows exposed many years ago as a fabrication upon a fabrication) and then consider the method of operation proposed/ described in the notorious "Protocols of the Elders...".

And consider habitats, shadows, camouflage, fictions and truths: How the Leopard got its spots.

btw Blofeld/ Ernst: Did not a new king arise over Egypt, which knew not Joseph? Exodus 1:8.

14 May 2011 at 12:32  
Anonymous len said...

The banks print money and then charge us extortionate rates of interest to borrow it.
What a farce our financial system is.

14 May 2011 at 13:11  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Anonymous said...
14 May 2011 10:18

In other words IT IS A CONSPIRACY, and a mighty big, and extremely clever one.

Such a monumentally enormous lie that hardly anyone can believe the truth, even when it is so well spelt our for them by people like yourself.

An even bigger lie then the establishments Great Global Warming Scam.

Perhaps not quite as large as The Establishments greatest scam to date, namely SOCIALISM, but planet sized gigantic, all of the same.

Such is the nature of incredibly large lies.

However don't think that you have seen the largest lie ever, because you can be absolutely assured that that particular monster is still to be told.

There is a debate as to what exact form the establishments biggest of all lies will actually turn out to be. This maybe because these excuses for human beings most usually have at least a plan B and C, backing up their plan A.

However I personally believe that plan A, involves some kind of staged home-grown invasion from outer-space, or something along those lines, possibly backed up by the odd smallish Nuclear based terrorist attack, and several created fatal pandemic diseases thrown into the mix.

Whatever it turns out to be, it could make a visit from The Four Horses of The Apocalypse, look like a relatively turbulent episode of The Last of The Summer Wine.

14 May 2011 at 13:20  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Atlas shrugged 14 May 2011 13:20

M'lass. It appears all your conspiracies involve the machinations of men, with references wrongfully extracted from the Holy Bible to try and back them up.

That certain men want to rule the lifes of others is hardly shocking hence the common slang term 'sheeple' but the biggest lie of all will be when The Almighty gives them over to believe 'the lie' so the lie MUST involve HIM.

2 Thess 2:7-12 "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

"Whatever it turns out to be, it could make a visit from The Four Horses of The Apocalypse, look like a relatively turbulent episode of The Last of The Summer Wine."

1.The first horseman of the apocalypse is the Antichrist himself and the other three are what follows after him.
2.Apocalypse ("lifting of the veil" or " revelation") does not mean worldwide natural catastrophe but Divine judgement against earth dwelling mankind and they understand this to be so who live at that time, that's why they curse and blaspheme His Holy name.
3.How on earth could anything be worse than Satan ruling on the earth through the person of Antichrist.

The Book of Revelation is the ONLY book of the Bible with a blessing to those who read it and believe its message.
In verse 1 we are told, "these things which must shortly come to pass" and "the time is at hand" I know that it was almost 2000 years ago it was declared! Now by man's time that is a long time but to our Eternal Almighty God, it is as only a few days. I think you will agree with Ernst, we are certainly much closer than John was nearly 2000 years ago and we believe the things in this book will truly come to pass in our day.

2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day."

It depends on our current position (alive or deceased) as to the true ratio, I hope you'll agree.

Ernst, my fine lass.

14 May 2011 at 14:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But why was it necessary, or at least expedient, for the EU to force an economic collapse on Ireland to frighten Spain? The answer goes back to a fundamental, and potentially fatal, flaw in the design of the euro zone: the lack of any means of dealing with large, insolvent banks.

Back when the euro was being planned in the mid-1990s, it never occurred to anyone that cautious, stodgy banks like AIB and Bank of Ireland, run by faintly dim former rugby players, could ever borrow tens of billions overseas, and lose it all on dodgy property loans. Had the collapse been limited to Irish banks, some sort of rescue deal might have been cobbled together; but a suspicion lingers that many Spanish banks – which inflated a property bubble almost as exuberant as Ireland’s, but in the world’s ninth largest economy – are hiding losses as large as those that sank their Irish counterparts.

Uniquely in the world, the European Central Bank has no central government standing behind it that can levy taxes. To rescue a banking system as large as Spain’s would require a massive commitment of resources by European countries to a European Monetary Fund: something so politically complex and financially costly that it will only be considered in extremis, to avert the collapse of the euro zone. It is easiest for now for the ECB to keep its fingers crossed that Spain pulls through by itself, encouraged by the example made of the Irish.

Irish insolvency is now less a matter of economics than of arithmetic. If everything goes according to plan, as it always does, Ireland’s government debt will top €190 billion by 2014, with another €45 billion in Nama and €35 billion in bank recapitalisation, for a total of €270 billion, plus whatever losses the Irish Central Bank has made on its emergency lending. Subtracting off the likely value of the banks and Nama assets, Namawinelake (by far the best source on the Irish economy) reckons our final debt will be about €220 billion, and I think it will be closer to €250 billion, but these differences are immaterial: either way we are talking of a Government debt that is more than €120,000 per worker, or 60 per cent larger than GNP.

Economists have a rule of thumb that once its national debt exceeds its national income, a small economy is in danger of default (large economies, like Japan, can go considerably higher). Ireland is so far into the red zone that marginal changes in the bailout terms can make no difference: we are going to be in the Hudson.

The ECB applauded and lent Ireland the money to ensure that the banks that lent to Anglo and Nationwide be repaid, and now finds itself in the situation where, as a consequence, the banks that lent to the Irish Government are at risk of losing most of what they lent. In other words, the Irish banking crisis has become part of the larger European sovereign debt crisis.

Given the political paralysis in the EU, and a European Central Bank that sees its main task as placating the editors of German tabloids, the most likely outcome of the European debt crisis is that, after two years or so to allow French and German banks to build up loss reserves, the insolvent economies will be forced into some sort of bankruptcy.

Make no mistake: while government defaults are almost the normal state of affairs in places like Greece and Argentina, for a country like Ireland that trades on its reputation as a safe place to do business, a bankruptcy would be catastrophic. Sovereign bankruptcies drag on for years as creditors hold out for better terms, or sell to so-called vulture funds that engage in endless litigation overseas to have national assets such as aircraft impounded in the hope that they can make a sufficient nuisance of themselves to be bought off.

Prof Morgan Kelly

14 May 2011 at 15:11  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

English Viki
"Just because wicked men believe certain things that are demonstrably true, that does not make them (the certain things) false.
I think Distributism a good thing, not because a catlick says so, but because it is true."

You really should read the original text that first expounded your economic and social philosophy. Far better than all the books that followed and it sets in beautifully within a christian context.

And the inspiration for this christian political- economic-social philosophy has its roots in centuries of devouted Catholic thought.

Capitalism, based on greed and the unbridled market, is as evil as Socialism, based on too optimistic a view of man.

To hold capitalism back from the inherent force of monopolies and regarding man as nothing more than a unit of production, you need a restraining influence. The 'State' inevitably serves capital and modifies its effects by creating welfarism that fosters dependence. Our culture is no longer christian but secular. Our 'world' is no longer national but global.

The answer? Well, it's obvious to Catholics! That it will not and cannot happen is a reflection of the fact that Satan is the 'prince' of this fallen world.

Sadly, history has shown benign dictatorships offer as little hope as our godless democracies.

14 May 2011 at 15:25  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray,
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say:

“We never pay any one Danegeld,
No matter how trifling the cost,
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!”


Rudyard Kipling

14 May 2011 at 15:36  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"I think you will agree with Ernst, we are certainly much closer than John was nearly 2000 years ago and we believe the things in this book will truly come to pass in our day."

21st May at 6pm PST apparently! :O

We're doomed!

14 May 2011 at 15:46  
Anonymous Paul said...

I know now why they call Economics "the dismal science'...

14 May 2011 at 15:56  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Further to 1) Prof Morgan Kelly 14 May 2011 15:11, and 2) Blofeld 00:33 + 02:37, and Climate Change Act 2008 (and 'sustainable future' theory)_

NB: "... EU Energy Summit on the 4th February [2011] explicitly recognise the need to build new electricity infrastructure in the EU to reach the 2020 goals in terms of energy efficiency, emissions reductions, increase of RES use, creation of a single electricity market and security of supply." (source: http://www.friendsofthesupergrid.eu/news-view.aspx?newsID=24)

This is being disseminated by GEF Forum on Green Entrepreneurship: "Generation Europe Foundation invites young people and stakeholders to co-create a sustainable future with link to http://www.friendsofthesupergrid.eu/ Quote_Supergrid is defined as "An electricity transmission system, mainly based on direct current, designed to facilitate large-scale sustainable power generation in remote areas for transmission to centres of consumption, one of whose fundamental attributes will be the enhancement of the market in electricity".
(source: http://www.generation-europe.eu/forum/2010/12/friends-of-the-supergrid-position-paper-on-the-ec-energy-infrastructure-package/)

GEF Forum on Green Entrepreneurship "invites young people and stakeholders to co-create a sustainable future".

Friends of the Supergrid were before the HoC Energy and Climate Change Committee on 10 May: http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Main/Player.aspx?meetingId=8345.

14 May 2011 at 17:01  
Anonymous MrJ said...

PS_"The Electrification of the Soviet Union" (opera first performed 1987, four years before the dissolution of the USSR): title from Lenin's dictum "Communism is Soviet power plus the electrification of the whole country".

14 May 2011 at 17:09  
Anonymous Gordo said...

"[having said that, there might be one exception...]).

The exception of which you speak is undoubtedly The Labour Party."

Nonsense! Clearly the LibDems who are openly in league with Satan.

14 May 2011 at 17:12  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

I have a large pain in my back right now, so I am in one hell of a grumpy mood.

At times such as these I start thinking back to the days when I was first given this thankless task.

Back then things seemed at least promising, the air seemed almost alive with potential, a bit smelly sometimes, but simply overflowing with promise.

Things got off to a slow start, to say the least, but then the boss suddenly got down to some serious work.

All types of things started turning up, mainly fishy type creatures at first, but then the Big Man started with all that his new style of crazy monster looking stuff.

Which was OK, for a while, and at least provided me with some degree of lively entertainment.

However there is just so many times you can watch one vile looking monster rip another one to shreds, before it all gets just a little too repetitive.

Them mercy be the Great One got rid of those noisy blood thirsty clowns and replaced them with something which at the time seemed far more interesting. These creatures the boss named them men and women.

Things seemed to be really looking up for a while, as they all seemed so smart, and cool.

The women creatures were most especially pleasing on the eye, and a vast improvement on what had been rampaging around the place not so long before.

They soon starting building great cities, and cultures all over the surface of the planet, as well as under the sea, inventing all kinds of wonderful things. These included machines that could make huge objects fly around the sky without any effort at all. My favorite was this stick like object that could part seas just by pointing it at them, really amassing.

Then something started to go wrong. I can't remember what exactly happened but for some strange reason the Boss had what can only be described as a bad hair day, and decided that this lot just had to go.

In no more then a few rotations he basically blew the lot of them away, and went about designing a more obedient creature to adorn his latest hobby horse.

Why he then gave me you lot of wasters, I have never really understood, and have not really forgiven him for doing so ever since.

I mean yes you are evolving in some ways, but most of it seems to be in the opposite direction.

Most of you have already forgotten how to rub two sticks together. At the current rate most of you are going, you will soon enough all need a PHD to be able to take a crap in your own woods.

What is it with you guys, do you actually enjoy being the thickest primary inhabitant this side of the Galaxy?

Don't you think you are being just a little bit stupid paying rent to live on your own planet, to a small bunch of criminals?

Also what is it with this having to work so hard just to feed yourselves. Those Atlantans or whatever they called themselves, did not work more then an hour a day, and I don't think even one of them went hungry for more then an hour or two.

I told the boss at the time you lot would never turn out to be that silly, but you have now proved me so utterly wrong so many times, I now never question anything he tell me.

Anyway, the good news, for me anyway, is that he is currently working on a radically updated model, which I might be getting a sneak preview at some time soon.

Apparently the new women folk are really spectacular, all curves and wobbly bits, sounds great.

14 May 2011 at 17:32  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"Apparently the new women folk are really spectacular, all curves and wobbly bits, sounds great."

Speak for yourself, luv. :)

14 May 2011 at 17:49  
Anonymous not a machine said...

mmmmm. Prof Dawkins has bottled it.

14 May 2011 at 18:07  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

DanJO 14 May 2011 15:46

You're mocking me, aren't you?

"21st May at 6pm PST apparently! :O "

Is this the exact time you will be rejected, yet again, by another crowd of speed dating 'jolly rodgers' at the Quebec, Belgrave Gate, Leicester.

Ernst, my too easily pleased boy. :-)

14 May 2011 at 18:49  
Anonymous MrJ said...

"The objective of this Rally is not simply a political necessity; it is a moral imperative."

"Britain's Trillion Pound [+...] Horror Story" (link in article): Good exposure of Blair-Brown profligacy (may be weak on historic analysis).

Raises question about "TAX cutting" for current policy-making: How long can public affairs continue to be conducted as if in denial?

How long can Downing Street and Whitehall be, appear to be or pretend to be in denial?

Simple extra question: Why has the anomalous VAT on repair to church roofs etc not been redressed? Does the truthful answer, if known, supply a clue to the wider issues?

14 May 2011 at 21:03  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"Is this the exact time you will be rejected, yet again, by another crowd of speed dating 'jolly rodgers' at the Quebec, Belgrave Gate, Leicester."

God checks everyone's internet logs, you know.

Sorry

14 May 2011 at 23:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Nor the effeminate nor liers with mankind nor thieves nor covetous nor drunkards nor railers nor extortioners shall possess the kingdom of God." (Corintians 1 6:9)

15 May 2011 at 00:44  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Is the appointment of Mr Baker to Ebbsfleet another case where "The objective is not simply a political necessity; it is a moral imperative" ...or not?

It has been reported (Telegraph, Sunday noted by Cranmer's twitter list) that Rev Jonathan Baker (currently principal, Pusey House) said he had told the present Archbishop of Canterbury that he was a mason when they discussed his appointment to be the next Bishop of Ebbsfleet; that this is an appointment as one othe “flying bishops” who oversee clergy opposed to women priests; and that the post had fallen vacant when its previous holder quit to join the Roman Catholic Church.

15 May 2011 at 07:30  
Anonymous obreption said...

I would like to thank your Grace for entertaining us during the 40 minute delay in the broadcast from the Metropolitan Opera. The discussion had much insight. I can live with blue Tory and red Labour, but what I don't get are these really daft labels such as blue Labour and red Tory. This ought to be deep purple. I agree that we may be in deep do-do regarding the debt, but the messages coming via Mr Clegg are worse than Jude the Obscure. By the way, the Wagner finished about 11pm, Bryn Terfel in great voice as Wotan. As for Eurovision, I gave it up after Cliff Richard appeared on it.

15 May 2011 at 11:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vid just posted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99l73gfJ0VU

15 May 2011 at 18:12  
Anonymous MrL said...

Good to see Nigel Farage say it like it is on the youtube link (18:12).

But most press and other coverage so far seems to be meagre, inane or totally lacking.

The absence of legislators (Baronesses, Barons and Commons members) is the most eloquent of comments.

15 May 2011 at 20:38  
Anonymous MrJ said...

It was MrJ at 20:38

15 May 2011 at 20:43  
Blogger English Viking said...

I have no idea what you are talking about.

You appear confused, or drunk, or both.

15 May 2011 at 21:34  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Thanks for that link, Mr. J! So glad to hear somebody saying it right out in front of the palace of lies!

15 May 2011 at 21:43  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Who has upset EV this time?

15 May 2011 at 22:09  
Anonymous MrJ said...

PS to 14 May 2011 12:32:

Ann Barnhardt has now made the case in her own way:
The Boston Speech Parts 1, 2, and 3
Posted May 15, 11:42 PM MST

...at Part 3 from 5min in. Overstatement or what? She is a self-confessed gun-toter who pledges herself to a die-for-it rescue mission. She means it. She explains in Parts 1 and 2.

16 May 2011 at 11:18  

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