Friday, May 27, 2011

Referism - a movement for 'people power'?

There is a discussion going on over at Dr North's pad (EUReferendum) on the need for some sort of voters' alliance to rescue us from the political and economic morass into which we are sinking . It's worth a visit. His Grace observes:

Referism: ' about the transfer of power, releasing people from the bondage of the elites and vesting in them control over their own government. It is about changing the relationship between government and the people, one in which the government says please...'

So, it's essentially a bottom-up Whiggish movement; a resurrection (or reinvigoration) of the 'Radical' which has been more than a little subsumed to the 'Tory' in what has become known as 'Conservatism'. But the Referism philosophy is thoroughly of the 'liberal-right': over the pond, it manifests itself in part as the Tea Party (small government, low budget), which some have attempted (without much success) to replicate here in the UK.

As Dr North knows well (from experience), it is not so much that a new movement needs a charismatic leader (though, however you want to reason it away, the people will demand a king - 1Sam 8); it is that such a leader will need to invest an awful lot of money (as Sir James Goldsmith found) for maybe a return of 2000 votes (if you work hard) in each constituency. Certainly, those 2000 may become instead a (sizeable) pressure group (ie, not a political paty), but that is precisely what 'The People's Pledge' are trying to achieve as far as the EU is concerned (and not without some success, though His Grace has not subscribed).

The problem with politics is the human ego. Each and every attempt at establishing a movement for change has foundered on the rock of aggressive assertions of individuality (often by the wealthy), such that A can't stand B, who refuses to work with C because of what D said to A five years ago, which was slanderous and resulted in B telling E, F and G never to work with D again because they simply can't be trusted. So, even though A-G all agree on the super-objective, they splinter into their own little cults to establish a coterie of like-minded disciples who will be faithful to their particular fragment of 'ever farther dis-union'. As a result, H, I and J just give up, even though their contributions and gifts would have been invaluable.

As someone very wise once said: '...a house divided against itself cannot stand.' His Grace will add that there's not a lot of point in building an entire estate of bungalows even if there's space for caravans and trailers. In the UK, Islam and the Greens have succeeded where (even) the Christians have not because they both (in different ways) induce fear: i) of civil unrest; ii) of plantetary destruction. His Grace is merely a philosopher and a theologian: perhaps a psychologist might care to comment.


Blogger The Last Dodo said...

"Each and every attempt at establishing a movement for change has foundered on the rock of aggressive assertions of individuality (often by the wealthy), such that A can't stand B, who refuses to work with C because of what D said to A five years ago, which was slanderous and resulted in B telling E, F and G never to work with D again because they simply can't be trusted. So, even though A-G all agree on the super-objective, they splinter into their own little cults to establish a coterie of like-minded disciples who will be faithful to their particular fragment of 'ever farther dis-union'. As a result, H, I and J just give up, even though their contributions and gifts would have been invaluable."

Such rivalry and competition started with Cane and Abel. Sounds just like the history of Christianity too! The disciples manifested this human trait when they asked Christ who was the greatest amongst them.

This will be just another side-show. It may have some small impact on mainstream political parties, who knows?

27 May 2011 at 19:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not even Christ could avoid his fate YG, the Elites have played their hand let fate decide the outcome now.

The sceptre and crown represent the backbone and mind, that is where anyones true power lies. Like Amidinerjacket I shall throw a letter down my holy well and seek guidance on the matter.

27 May 2011 at 19:39  
Blogger English Viking said...


Christ most assuredly could have avoided His 'fate', he simply chose not to.

For Christ to have been compelled to the cross against His will would have made a real mess of things.

27 May 2011 at 20:02  
Blogger Gnostic said...

One thing's for certain, if the current insufferable situation is allowed to continue we might as well pack up our goods and chattels and leave the place to the Westminster village idiots, foreigners and greenies because no one else will be able to afford to live here anymore.

27 May 2011 at 20:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Leave Parlaiment to the fairy brained gibbering idiots Strephon has done a wonderfull job up to now.

27 May 2011 at 20:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

EV, give it some thought, our perspectives are not at loggerheads.

Alpha and Omega are the poles of eternity, between which all that must be will occur.

You can burn all the bibles in the world but meeting your fate is unavoidable.

27 May 2011 at 20:43  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Bone in the Head

You're getting into the mess Knox and chums got into over predestination. Leave it, its beyond your ken.

27 May 2011 at 21:09  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dodo in Persia they have a story about Alexander the Great who came to conquering the World.

They say he went over a Mountain and met himself coming the other way.

I am not getting into predestination, you went there and met your twin.

27 May 2011 at 21:19  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Bone in the Head

Now you're into time-travel - or is it doppelgangers?

Do you own a TARDIS?

27 May 2011 at 21:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dodo you have gone from predestination to Dr Who.

All I am saying is God only knows what will happen next, its how you handle it that matters and that applies to us all.

If some moron looking for world conquest thinks I am a threat, that to me exposes his/her weakness.

I detest being ruled by the weak.

27 May 2011 at 22:19  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

Of course another way of addressing "referism" would be a move towards the only outstanding Chartist demand for annual parliaments. Of course the present government has moved to a system that will in effect extend the average life of our parliament to a fixed 5 years - despite that proposal never having been put before the electorate.

27 May 2011 at 23:05  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

There were of course close links between Radicals and Chartists

27 May 2011 at 23:08  
Blogger English Viking said...

Tory nob head,

Your mob have made a ridicule of the parliamentary process.

You are are young man, aren't you?

I can tell by the shite that you spout.

27 May 2011 at 23:11  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Bone in the Head

I agree. Why are your posts so cryptic? Are you a Mason?

27 May 2011 at 23:22  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Thank you for posting this, Your Grace. I've checked out Eureferendum via your link and started reading the Referism thread on Dr. North's site.

He's right: We have to do something NOW - to reverse the balance of power. We the People are disenfranchised, and the system is 'broke' in every way.
If my reading is correct, the principle is that we should take control of our own money.

As to the approach, Dr. N says: If we want a political party, and I would not advise it, then we set up a Referist Party.

Better, I thought, we work with the existing parties. We build a movement and make it clear that the first party to offer an annual referendum on the budget gets our vote.

I have yet to read through all the comments on Referism. So I don't know what suggestions there address practicalities, like how we'd ensure integrity of the ballot.

What I especially like is the call to bloodless Revolution against rulers who will undoubtedly use military force against us, as the situation deteriorates further. We have to oppose and defeat them by finding such ways. As (I think) bitb suggests, we can: Apply Our Minds and Use Our Spines.

27 May 2011 at 23:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dodo in the Leg

I once had a go at dry stone walling, but my folk have done that for centuries and I understand some people get paranoid about our knowledge.

Do you Ken?

28 May 2011 at 01:06  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Thank you for posting this, Your Grace.

I support Dr. North's call to action, and I've checked on the Referism thread over at EuReferendum. If we are to avoid absolute physical destruction, we must do something like this and NOW.

It's intelligent to rebel bloodlessly against the prevailing Marxist guile - under cover of which they disenfranchise us and refuse to communicate. They have deliberately rendered our system 'broke' in every sense. And we have to fix it -- without falling into the dialectic they so usefully define. As Your Grace seems to indicate, that will take awareness, common sense, impartiality (disinterest), and honour. But we are British. We are not, as Marxists suppose, the product of a long tradition of ignorant peasantry.

If I understand Dr. North correctly, the effective principle for restoration of our rights is to resume control of our own MONEY: by way of the ballot box. That approach asserts, in deed, the motto "No taxation without representation."

Dr. North suggests: If we want a political party, and I would not advise it, then we set up a Referist Party.

Better, I thought, we work with the existing parties. We build a movement and make it clear that the first party to offer an annual referendum on the budget gets our vote.

Yes --- the party system has reduced itself to a 'shadow show,' and this calls the bluff without turning into the lady who gets cut in half. Not having read the entire Referism thread, I don't know what suggestions are there for ensuring integrity of the ballot... .

Thus we could ensure that the bureaucracy and its secretaries take their proper places as our servants. We can bring it about it if, as (I think) bitb is saying: We Engage our Minds and Use our Spines.

We have our ways to re-inspire the spirit ---

[Sorry if this appears twice - last one disappeared: cache now cleared.]

28 May 2011 at 01:36  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Bone in the Head

Had a shot at drystane dykeing myself (no, Viki, not what your thinking) but the walls tumbled over. I prefer measurement, carving and masonary to balancing stones; more enduring.

28 May 2011 at 01:59  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

non mouse said...

Posted a quote from Dr North:

"We build a movement and make it clear that the first party to offer an annual referendum on the budget gets our vote."

The basis for a political movement in a representative democracy where we appoint politicians to lead?


A recipe for anarchy!

28 May 2011 at 02:05  
Anonymous not a machine said...

Referism sounds like somthing in the political profession awaiting a standards inquiry.

we shall have to see what wins through ,and pity/sack any fool that doesnt comprehend what is enacted.

what we are being assimilated into is an interesting question , mental trick or a need for a christian base.

28 May 2011 at 03:32  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dodo in the Leg

I like someone who knows his Craft, are you a Mason?

28 May 2011 at 07:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anarchy just means without a monarch, but people always equate it with riots and lawlessness. It doesnt have to be this way.
Belgium doesnt have a government but they aren't (yet) in meltdown.

28 May 2011 at 08:53  
Anonymous greg tingey said...

The "tea party" are anything but "liberal-right"
They are a collection of fundie loonies and potential slave-owners

28 May 2011 at 08:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have recieved a note of guidance YG, in responce to the letter I threw down my Holy Well.

If we are to unite against Islam, Greens and Elites for independence, we must seek an sturdy manifesto in which we can all enjoin.

May I suggest "The Islands of Destiny" by William Walker as the basis of our claim.

It would also have the added bonus of easing sectarian tensions.

28 May 2011 at 09:08  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Neville Chamberlain was the first British PM to fly in an airplane, he also used Pathe News through his association with Joseph Kennedy and his contacts, to have rivals omitted from newsreels. He was a ruthless party operator who bugged rivals' telephones with a former Special Branch operative.

In Germany, an Austrian Army Intelligence Agent infiltrated a small Socialist Group and took it over such that Alfred Huegenberg threw the might of his press and media/film empire behind the Austrian Corporal.

He became the first German politician to use radio and newsreels and aircraft to spread his message.

Technology broke the mould. You could add that FDR used radio and his fireside chats to address the populace directly, but he was following Huey Long and Father Coughlin.

It may be that the elites are safe in their broadcasting palaces and can glide from ball to ball, but simply put - it is palaces that are stormed - Tuileries, Winter Palace......

It may be that those in London are so parochial as to ignore the facts of political upheaval - that Disraeli noted the palace is not safe when the cottage is not happy that Mao believed e villages should encircle the towns, and that it is Men from The Marches that seize power

I would suggest that London is the very worst place to be to read the runes or the Ides of March

28 May 2011 at 09:28  
Anonymous len said...

A house divided against itself cannot stand.True.
Neither can a house built upon sand,false philosophies, and false religions.Christ is'the rock, the solid foundation, let us have no illusions about that.Unless your 'house' is on this foundation(Christ) it will ultimately be swept away by the coming storms.
Gods intention for mankind is to bring all things together in Christ,reconciling all things to Himself,
The enemy of mankind also has an agenda, to set up a rival kingdom headed up by'his man'ultimately by himself, all things under his(satanic) control.

Both are working towards this end.

We are on the last attempt of the 'prince of the power of the air' to set up his kingdom on Earth.
It will fail.As the others have done.

Unless one views world events with this perspective one will be full of false hopes and expectations.

28 May 2011 at 09:39  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Picking up and going on from non mouse 01:36:

Dr North says: "...ideology... which underwrites the supremacy of the individual and positions the State as the servant, not the master..."

An ideology of master and servant has a quaint or antique ring, not likely to have the right kind of appeal.

Whatever ideology, the practical objective has to be a United Kingdom Parliament with effective power to hold the ruling Executive (organs of the self-named European Union) accountable by the summary and peremptory withholding of supply (taxes in and payments out) pending redress of grievances: long known as the essence of the English/ UK parliamentary system.

Let this be rigorously taught in courses of PPE and Jurisprudence, and in future let no person be deemed qualified to be a member of any chamber of any parliamentary assembly of this country who has not satisfied a Grand Jury of Electors on that score.

A first and immediate step must be repeal of the laughingly called Climate Change Act.

These remarks must be subject to Voyager's at 09:28.

28 May 2011 at 09:49  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And since the Marxist/Fascist agenda is to disposes us of a history and heritage, I also advise the much neglected works of Archibald Henry Sayce.

28 May 2011 at 10:26  
Anonymous graham wood said...

Cranmer. I noticed your comment on EU Referendum Blog which I read and contribute to.
Dr North is calling for political power to be returned to the people where it belongs, but as you rightly say:

"The problem with politics is the human ego. Each and every attempt at establishing a movement for change has foundered on the rock of aggressive assertions of individuality".

Whilst that is a sad reality it could also be argued as a counsel of despair. It does not HAVE to be that way. United Britain against the Nazis in WW2 and many other examples can be found of a people united against a common foe, be it a political system, an ideology, or even their own government.
In reply I suggest that the Blogosphere has great potential to unite and fight on one single issue, and use that as a beach-head for further advance.
Think for example how effective it would be for the "Blogosphere" (independent Blogs with patriotic or anti EU constituencies) to unite to fight say, the European Arrest Warrant. For each and every memmber to concentrate on this one issue - to harass and harry the government in Parliament and outside to overthrow this iniquitous edict from Brussels.
A "win" on such an issue would quickly prepare the ground for further action and demonstrate REAL power via the Blogosphere.

28 May 2011 at 10:29  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Your Grace, come, come.

The right-hand column of your blog is evidence that your Ashes have achieved elite status. Your blog is widely read and undoubtedly influences the political debate in the UK and possibly other lands. Mr Graham Wood's points are apposite. A blogger with a strong following may have more power than a back-bench MP. John Redwood's blog, to take one example, is a huge multiplier of his influence as an MP. Like yourself, he has the gift of being able to make a case and develop an argument. Doing this successfully requires high-level analytical skills, and most importantly, judgement.

What is frustrating is the lack of executive power, and at any one time it is really only held by one man/woman, the Prime Minister. On the other hand it is impossible to imagine Dave writing a blog with more than three readers, one of whom would be his wife. He just hasn't got the same gifts.

And as a general observation, single issue parties invariably fail in Western democracies. The Refer venture may be the latest to do so. Electorates rightly seem to regard single issue parties as being full of cranks.

It therefore falls to you to use your considerable influence to run campaigns on matters of your choice, which it seems you do.

A final observation, it is often necessary to wait for the deluge.
Those blessed with prescience are few and far between. Invariably controversial predictions cause insecurity and denial amongst the less imaginative, and the career of Winston Churchill is a good example of this.

Currently there is a lot that is terribly wrong on many fronts, and it easy to despair. Your communicant fights on undaunted.

28 May 2011 at 11:34  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Bred in the bone said...
"Dodo in the Leg
I like someone who knows his Craft, are you a Mason?"

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, funny handshake. fancy clothes and trowel ... say no more ...

28 May 2011 at 13:13  
Blogger English Viking said...


Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, funny handshake. fancy clothes and trowel ... say no more ...

Don't get performing Mass in here.

Knees bent, arms stretched, rah, rah rah!

28 May 2011 at 14:37  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...


"Knees bent, arms stretched, rah, rah rah!"

Sounds more like a pentecostal gathering to me. In the absence of any theological underpinning to your little congregation, this is more likely to happen at your prayer meetings than the 2,000 year old 'Breaking of Bread' I attend.

28 May 2011 at 14:56  
Blogger English Viking said...


My 'congregation', as you put it, is not small and it carries scriptural warrant in all its activities, unlike the monstrosity (is that word related to 'monstrance', by any chance?) that is the cat-lick Mass - transubstantiation.

You don't break bread, your 'priest' makes you kneel before him, and he administers a tiny wafer, usually circular (just like the Sun, eh?) with IHS stamped on it. You'll note that this mockery of breaking bread cannot be performed, under any circumstances, without a priest to 'channel' Christ into the wafer prior to handing it out.

Where on Earth does this come from, because it is not in the Bible? Egypt and Babylon is the answer.

Isis, Horeb, Seb. IHS. The names of Egyptian so- called gods, interchangeable with Babylonian so-called gods.

A token understanding of those 'religions' show startling and undeniable resemblances to the farce which is popeyness today.

Egyptian Sun worship and Babylonian mysticism all rolled into one - that's catholicism for you.

Put your left leg in, your left leg out, in, out, in, out and shake it all about...

28 May 2011 at 15:43  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...


So now you attack the Eucharist - the great gift from Jesus!

"And taking bread, he gave thanks and broke and gave to them, saying: This is my body, which is given for you. Do this for a commemoration of me. In like manner, the chalice also, after he had supped, saying: This is the chalice, the new testament in my blood, which shall be shed for you."

There are comparable accounts in the other synoptic Gospels. The existence of four distinct narratives of the Last Supper, (Matthew 26:26; Mark 14:22; Luke 22:19; 1 Corinthians 11:23, all point to a literal interpretation.

In addition, this may also be adduced both from the words of Jesus' breathtakingly, great promise in John 6:26-58.

"Then Jesus said to them: "Amen, amen, I say unto you: unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I will raise him up in the last day."

All figurative speaking? I believe not and my reason tells me not.

The Mass is the great sacrifice and sacrament ordained by Christ Himself to be continued in to the end of the world. Catholic, Orthodox, and some even Anglicans, believe this commemoration is the real presence of His body and blood under sacramental veils.

Your rather flambouyant comparisons with eastern mystery religions actually constitute a insult and offence to Christ.

28 May 2011 at 16:43  
Blogger English Viking said...


Your belief in cannibalism is an offense to Christ.

28 May 2011 at 16:59  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...


The words of Christ:

""Amen, amen, I say unto you: unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eats my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I will raise him up in the last day."

28 May 2011 at 18:33  
Blogger English Viking said...


Christ described wine as 'His blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many'.

Mark 14 vv 23-25 makes it clear that He is speaking allegorically, as he had not yet been crucified and his blood had not yet been shed, yet he spoke of the contents of the cup as 'His blood' and then went on to say that he would not drink again of the 'fruit of the vine' until he did so in his future Kingdom.

Blood is not the fruit of the vine.

If Mass is needful for salvation (your papa says it is) why is it NEVER mentioned in the Bible, and how can you explain the need for a 'priest' to administer the 'sacrament', 'channelling' Christ into the wafer and wine, when Christ is the only mediator between man and God? 1 Tim 2 v 5

The breaking of bread is a symbolic rite, a remembrance of the death of Christ and his suffering, the elements are mere tokens and nothing else.

I would also add that it is a ritual that is only to be performed by Christians, and those that do so unworthily are eating and drinking judgement upon themselves. Cf 1 Corinthians 11 v 29.

PS No mention of a Priest in the above passage, either. Popish nonsense. Free yourself from it and think for yourself.

28 May 2011 at 18:53  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Yes. Me[also]thinks that part of the genius of Christianity lies in using religious ceremony to symbolise cannibalism. That way Protestants can avoid nightmares by recognising that Christ continues to fulfill the ultimate sacrifice. Our priests are not prestidigitators, nor do they extract taxes for the benefit of foreign powers. And people who like to eat people can learn that He wanted us to understand the lesson of Abraham and Isaac.

The authoritarian pigeon, setting itself up here as the Elect, seeks to impose the opposite prescription on us. Today, as usual.

The same unelected pigeon also tries to hit every discussion over the head, drag it off track, and turn it into a sectarian meal.

Me, I appreciate those who respond to His Grace's strands - thoughtful and entertaining contributions are here today. Thanks everyone else (and EV :)).

wv: reedng

28 May 2011 at 19:48  
Anonymous MrJ said...

non mouse "part of the genius of Christianity..."

This is put in an interesting way in Ann Barnhardt's Boston Speech (15 May). Search for ann-barnhardt-speaks-up-video-parts-1-and-2.

28 May 2011 at 20:17  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...


You either get it or you don't.

Christ said "This is my body ... This is my blood."

All christians believed in the changing of bread and wine into the body and blood of Christ until protestantism reared its head. Most christians still do.

If you really know abour Catholicism as you claim, you'd know it isn't about 'channeling' - where on earth did you come up with that one?

Christ gave the Apostles and their successors the divine power to change bread and wine into His body and blood.

"Do THIS is memory of me."

Before commenting further on Catholicism do take the time to understand it.

Why is the transubstantiation given such prominence in all the Gospels and by St Paul? It's not a symbolic act, a mere act of rememberance. The manna in the desert forshadowed it. Or was that symbolic too and not really miraculous?

28 May 2011 at 22:00  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Mickey Mouse said ...

Stuff and nonsense, as usual.

You, alongwith len, Mr J and sundry others, hold Viki up as a model for your 'faith'!

He's a bombastic, aggressive, self proclaimed odious and toxic dog feces!

28 May 2011 at 22:08  
Anonymous len said...

The things you consider 'sacred'are an offence to Christians.
You mix a lot of pagan ideologies with Christianity and believe these things are sacred?.
I would suggest you find, beg , or borrow a Bible and familiarise yourself with it.

The further one looks into Catholicism the worse it looks,no wonder the Catholic hierarchy forbid the reading of the Bible for so long .
Its not 'rocket science' to compare catholic teachings with the Bible , might be a bit uncomfortable though!.

I expect your usual response, but it doesn`t really bother me ,just a bit sad really.

Bless you, in anticipation of your response.(Matthew 5:44)

28 May 2011 at 22:51  
Anonymous MrJ said...

The Last Dodo said...22:08 "... hold Viki up as a model for your 'faith'! "

Before anyone takes umbrage, offense or the offensive, could it be that this comical fellow is struggling because he has reached the end of his joke book?

28 May 2011 at 23:40  
Anonymous non mouse said...

MrJ @ 20:17 - thank you, I'll look up Ann Barnhardt. It'll be a refreshing flight from the Studies in Scatology we're enduring hereabouts :).

Also have responded to your post on the Israel strand of 24/5 May - to the effect that I value Thomas Cahill's insight on the Irish contribution.

28 May 2011 at 23:52  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

len said ...
Mr J said ...

Goodness you two really are like London buses!

I think you'll find the vast majority of christians accept that sacraments are founded in scripture. Are you seriously saying Roman Catholic christians, Orthodox christians and Anglican christians have all got it wrong?

For 1600 years, until that great disaster the protestant 'reformation', the seven sacraments were accepted by christian theologians. Then along came the ego-centric Luther et al and they couldn't agree on this or anything else!

And you will know the reasons the church was averse to printing the bible in local languages. Apart from issues around translation, it also left people open to the snare of believing it could be understood by individuals and that such 'interpretations' were equally valid.

The door to heresy and falsehood was flung wide open - and guess who crawled in? Protestant sects and churches flourished and christianity framented.

29 May 2011 at 00:14  
Blogger English Viking said...


How disgusting, how utterly repulsive the idea, that a man may 'earn' or 'deserve' his salvation.

You confidently state that Christians accept 'sacraments', when you know the word does not appear in the Bible. There is no mention of the pope, nor nuns, monks, mass, eucharist, Mary as co-redemptrix, praying to the dead, bowing to idols (except in a negative sense), purgatory, cannibalism or Priests as a means of interpreting God.

You are an out and out liar. You cannot be trusted as to which football match you have attended, let alone what scripture teaches.

Ohh, cat-licks are dirty, and you are filthier than most.


29 May 2011 at 01:49  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Not knowing much about public football matches as a lucrative spectator sport, my only comment here this morning is that the amiable Dodo seems to have lost the plot in more ways than one.

It is wonderful that he keeps describing the tenets of the Romanist Church authorities as if others were more ignorant about them than he.

29 May 2011 at 06:24  
Anonymous len said...

I think the only solution to those following a religion rather than Christ is for them to study the Scriptures and to ask the Holy Spirit to reveal the Truth to them.
Don`t take my word(or anyone else`s word )for what is true or not, go directly, (no priest involved) to the source of all Truth,God the Holy Spirit.
The Spirit of truth “breathed the breath of God” into His Book and made it the Book of truth (2 Peter 1:20-21; 2 Timothy 3:16-17).

The Holy Spirit of truth reveals the truth about God, man, sin, judgment, atonement, salvation, eternal life, etc. This special revelation is the work of the Spirit of truth. Without this special revelation we are helpless in knowing God.

The Spirit of truth will reveal nothing but the truth about God. He never contradicts revealed truth in His Word, the Bible. The Bible contradicts human reason and that can be a problem for some people . It always proves God to be true and every man a liar.

The supreme ministry of the Holy Spirit is to reveal the Father and the Son. He reveals God in all His glory as the only one living and true God. He reveals in His Word the great mystery of the Godhead, the three in One—the Father, the Son of God and the Holy Spirit who are the same in substance, equal in power and glory.

29 May 2011 at 11:14  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Rag, Tag and Bobtail are out in force today.

The brute, followed by the condescending, followed by the pompously intellectual.

29 May 2011 at 17:07  
Blogger English Viking said...

Said the liar.

29 May 2011 at 18:11  
Anonymous len said...

What a tiresome bird the Dodo is.
Thank goodness this one is the last.

29 May 2011 at 19:55  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Agreed, Mr. len. Sad, really. Before now, I'd fondly imagined they were nice animals.

This one testifies only to the effects of puddle-gazing: madness; self-destruction.

29 May 2011 at 21:03  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Ooooh Mickey Mouse has joined the chorus!

29 May 2011 at 21:56  

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