Saturday, May 28, 2011

West Dunbartonshire Council bans all books published and printed in Israel

Criticising Israel is not anti-Semitic, and saying so is vile. But singling out Israel for opprobrium and international sanction out of all proportion to any other party in the Middle East is anti-Semitic, and not saying so is dishonest. (Thomas L Friedman, journalist and Pulitzer Prize winner)

His Grace does not know why these anti-Semites don't just go the whole hog and start burning all books written by Israeli authors. It beggars belief that any democratically-elected municipal council in Britain can get away with such blatant racial prejudice and discrimination. The Council has no concern for the crimes and inhumanities of China, Iran, Sudan, North Korea or Zimbabwe, all of which have appalling records on human rights. Their focus is Israel, and Israel alone.

By this act, West Dunbarton has made anti-Semitism respectable and acceptable in a country whose leader is intent on eradicating all expressions of Protestant-Catholic sectariansm. In the Council, the SNP form the largest group. It is rank hypocrisy with more than a hint of Goebbels.

But why stop at books? Ray Cooke has compiled a neat little summary of everything else West Dunbartonshire Council should be boycotting:

1. Computers & Technology

•Remove all Intel Pentium and Celeron computer processor chips from council personal computers (desktops, laptops and notebooks) as these were either developed or manufactured in Israel. Note that the revolutionary new Ivy Bridge processor will be manufactured in Israel.
•Any computers that still work need to have their anti-virus software and personal firewalls removed as this technology originated in Israel. Any computers running the Windows XT operating system must be turned off immediately as this was developed in Israel. All current Microsoft operating systems are not to be used as Microsoft is heavily reliant on its Israel R&D centre.
•The departmental firewall will also need to be switched off. Employees should no longer open external emails as most of these will be infected with viruses
•No outgoing emails can be sent. The algorithm (code) that’s used today for sending e-mails, was made by an Israeli who worked at the Ben-Gurion University in Be’er-Sheva in 1980
•Before accepting any printed material, check that the supplier has not used the Israeli device that might have saved up to 50% of the ink used.
•At home, do not use Facebook as many in-built and add-on applications are Israeli-developed.
•Do not watch videos on the Internet as the platform used to upload them may be from AOL and hence from an Israeli company.
•Do not use Video On Demand (VOD) to watch movies as you may inadvertently see an advert displayed using Israeli software
•Do not purchase any games devices as these are likely to use Israeli technology.
•Do not read books using an e-book as this may contain Israeli technology.
•Do not use data storage as it may have been developed at Israel’s storage technology R&D centre
•Do not buy an electric car as it is likely to be powered with an Israeli battery or use Israeli developed charging mats

2. Telecommunications

•Discard all mobile phones, as this technology was developed in Israel, where the first mobile phones were manufactured. Mobile chip technology from a single Israeli company has now been installed in over 100 million devices.
•Only department heads may retain mobile phones for emergency situations. However the use of SMS (Texting) is expressly forbidden as this facility was developed in Israel.
•No 4G devices can be used as the chipset is Israeli.
•Turn off your voice-mail service and delete any recorded messages. Israeli companies invented the voice-mail system.
•If your call is not answered by someone you know, hang up. Israeli call-centres and call-centre technology is in widespread operation in the UK.
•Do not use the Internet to search for answers to your questions as this may involve use of an Israeli-developed search engine. Better to remain unenlightened.

3. Food and Drink

•Council restaurants and canteens must dispose of cherry tomatoes, which were developed in Israel. Employees must ensure that no cherry tomatoes are included in sandwiches brought into office premises.
•The ban also applies to honey and any products derived from honey. Israel has developed solutions to the world-wide problem of bee-colony collapse, so that any products derived from bees might only be available now due to an Israeli invention.
•Avoid drinking any of the world-recognised award-winning Israeli wines
•No delicious home-made drinks from Israeli-manufactured household drinks machines
•Avoid any fruit from South Africa or Peru as produce from these countries is being marketed with Israeli brand names
•No agricultural products from the following areas must be consumed as they use water irrigation and agricultural technology provided directly from Israel:
◦Most of Africa
◦China
◦India
◦Indonesia (a Muslim country)
◦Nepal
◦Many others – please check.
•Much fruit and vegetables (including organic) imported into the UK has been enhanced using Israeli technology. This saves millions of people from starving around the world but is not a good reason for you to eat it. For safety, only eat fruit and vegetables that you have grown yourself using seeds that have been in your family for generations.

4. Dealing With People

When interviewing prospective employees or holding meetings with members of the public or other organisations you must check that they have no association with the following countries and areas that have accepted aid from Israel. The council must avoid acknowledging Israel’s contribution to world relief. Also, any associated products from these areas may also have been contaminated by Israeli technology. These locations include:

•The Congo (oil tanker fire disaster July 2010)
•Angola (mines cleared by Israeli technology – July 2010)
•Mississippi (bioremediation technique used to clean up after oil spills developed in Israel)
•China (a major purchaser of Israeli technology, and recipient of medical aid and training)
•South Africa (Israelis trained their doctors to perform circumcisions to prevent the spread of AIDS – July 2010)
•Cameroon (opthalmologists from Haifa restored vision to patients and trained local medical teams in these procedures – Aug 2010)
•Haiti (Israel set-up the largest field hospital to treat victims of the earthquake and hurricane and provided vital assistance for over a year)
•Romania (Israeli doctors treated babies following fire at a neonatal unit – Sep 2010)
•Ghana (receiving technological aid from Israel since 2006; Israel is now providing neonatal units to save many of the 4,800 babies that die each year)
•Philippines (signed major trade agreement with Israel in Nov 2010)
•The Maldives (although non-Islamic worship is banned here, Israeli eye-doctors performed free operations for citizens in Dec 2010)
•Kenya (Israel’s Agency for International Development built a state-of-the-art Emergency Room in a hospital serving 6 million Kenyans in Jan 2011)
•Uganda (Israeli solar-powered refrigerators were provided to store vaccines used to eliminate an outbreak of Polio from the country in Jan 2011)
•Vietnam, whose milk industry is being totally transformed using high-yield Israeli cows (Feb 2011)
•Chile, whose rescued miners were treated to a tour of Israel as part of their “Pilgrimage of Thanks” (Feb 2011)
•New Zealand (Israel sent several rescue teams, temporary shelters and water purification systems following the Christchurch earthquake in Feb 2011)
•Japan (As well as rescue teams, Israel supplied geiger counters and Israeli thermal imaging cameras are monitoring the reactor cores – Mar 2011)
•Sri Lanka (Israel conducted a massive airlift with food, 50 medical staff and rescue teams only 48 hours after the Tsunami in Dec 2004)
•India (Israel sent an fully-equipped field hospital following Gujarat earthquake in Feb 2001)
•El Salvador (Israel relief aid following earthquake in 2001)
•Georgia (Israel contributed food and seeds for farmers following severe drought in 2001)
•Turkey (Israel relief aid following earthquake in 2000)
•Mozambique ((Israel relief aid following floods in 2000)
•Colombia (Israel sent medical aid and food following earthquake in 1999)
•Venezuela (President Chavez has forgotten Israel’s aid following floods of 1999)
•Central America (Israel sent emergency medical aid teams and equipment to help victims of Hurricane Mitch in 1998)
•Pakistan (2005) and Peru (2007) both accepted aid from Israeli NGOs following earthquake disasters.
•Peru’s hydo-electric power plants are also being built and run by an Israeli company.
•Rawanda, Mexico, Chad, Sudan (Darfur) and Malawi all have received medical assistance from Israel’s NGO IsraAID.

5. Health

•Destroy all personal medication. Many medicines will have been manufactured by Israel’s Teva Pharmaceuticals, the largest generic drugs company in the world.
•AIDS and HIV suffers note that AZT and Hypericin-based drugs have all have been developed or improved following research at Israel’s Weizmann Institute or Hebrew University; also a treatment that destroy HIV-infected cells without damaging healthy ones
•Diabeties sufferers – Israeli scientists have developed new devices for measuring and injecting Insulin
•Multiple Sclerosis -Copaxone - one of the most efficient medicines and the only non interferon agent, was developed by Teva
•Myeloma – the drug Velcade was developed over a period of 30 years by scientists at Haifa
•Emphasema – avoid the Israeli protein replacement therapy
•Check all vaccines as many of these have been developed in Israel.
•Ensure that all X-rays do carry a radiation risk, as the only radiation-free system is Israeli
•Do not use Epilady (or epilator) – this hair removal device was invented by two Israelis
•Ensure any colonoscopy or gastro investigation does not use internal Israeli cameras such as the Pillcam.
•Do not protect babies and infants from Sudden Infant Death Syndrome with the Babysense system from Israel.
•Do not undergo surgery to install an artificial heart, as the first artificial heart transplant took place in Israel.
•Sufferers of Parkinsons must avoid the brain pacemaker – pioneered in Israel to stop tremors. Also Levodopa to reduce motor disturbances. Or magnetic cortex stimulation
•Do not take any form of medication to combat cancer. Israeli scientists have been developing treatments in this area for decades. Full list available on request.
•Kidney transplants must only use kidneys from donors of the same blood group. Israel’s revolutionary new methods allow donors from other blood groups.
•Treatments derived from Stem Cell research must be avoided as most of this is Israeli-developed
•If you or your family are struck with a bacteria infection, do not take alternatives to older, ineffective bacteria-resistant antibiotics as an Israeli discovery will have been responsible for the modern, effective drugs.
•Epileptics must avoid any treatment that may have benefited from the Israeli discovery of the underlying mutant gene.
•Employees of Arab origin must not make use of the only database for matching potential Arab donors of bone-marrow – in Israel.
•Check that any pain relief medication is not based on soya as an Israeli doctor discovered the beneficial effect of the soya bean.
•Before any surgery or medical tests, check that hospital catheters have not been protected from infection using the new plastic from Israel that disables micro-organisms
•Sufferers of sleep apnea must avoid tests using the breakthrough Israeli device for diagnosis.
•Employees with a family history of heart disease and arteriosclerosis must not use the Israeli device for early detection of these.
•Sufferers or relatives of sufferers of the eye disease Age-related Macular Degeneration must not use Israeli implants to arrest the disease.
•Avoid throat surgery as this may utilise Israeli surgical lasers.
•In the event of a spinal injury or disease, do not accept spinal implants – likely to be an Israeli product or development.
•Heart rhythm problems must not be solved with the Israeli-developed heart pulse generator.
•Any incident of stroke or head trauma or onset of Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, MS, epilepsy, glaucoma or brain tumour must avoid using any of the Weizmann Institute’s patented methods of treatment.
•Do not use the revolutionary new Israeli bandage that saved Arizona senator Gabriella Giffords after she was shot in the head.
•Do not allow dyslexics to benefit from the Israeli Internet-based reading system.
•Sufferers from liver disease must avoid using the Israeli-developed antibody immunotherapy treatment.
•All heart stents are off-limits as most of these originate from Israeli medical companies
•If you break a bone badly, reject any treatment that involves introducing collagen, as this may have been manufactured from Israeli plants.
•Reject all dental treatment as your teeth may need to be scanned with an Israeli-developed dental scanner
•Treat skin allergies only with steroid creams as the new safer non-steroid alternative is Israeli

6. Miscellaneous

•Reject all products from the USA. Analysis conducted in a typical US state shows that Israeli innovations were responsible for $2.4 billion in direct revenue to its economy in 2009 and generated nearly 6,000 jobs.
•Do not tutor your children in advanced Mathematics techniques which may have originated in Israel. Also, if these techniques are used in your children’s schools, withdraw your children immediately.
•Keen ornithologists should consider giving up their hobby as many rare species stop off or reside in Israel during their twice-yearly migration.
•Do not watch the new series of NCIS as the main actress is Israeli.
•Avoid going to any football matches featuring teams with Israeli players.
•Destroy all your recordings of Madonna, Bob Dylan, Simon & Garfunkel, Deep Purple, Bon Jovie, Justin Bieber, George Benson, Moby and many, many more artists who have ridiculed the stupid and illogical boycott and have proudly performed (or will shortly perform) concerts in Israel.
•Destroy any recordings of U2, Lady Gaga, Beyonce, Bruce Springsteen, Beck, Rihanna Coldplay and any artist whose music has been recorded using the sound technology of the Grammy Award winning Israeli company Wave Audio. You also must get rid of any personal copies of Shrek, American Beauty and Star Wars. Do not trust anything recorded by Sony, JVC, Toshiba or Dell.
•Don’t go to see “The Black Swan” with Natalie Portman, or watch any old films with Elizabeth Taylor – both lovers of the Jewish State.
•Do not stay in hotels or visit shopping centres owned by Israeli companies (sorry, you will need to check which ones yourself).
•Do not have anything to do with the banks who are using Israeli software to prevent fraud.
•Do not use any Credit or Debit card as the Security monitoring system used by the Credit companies is likely to be Israeli.
•Do not buy an engagement ring containing a diamond as it is possible that this may have been cut in Israel.
•Do not travel by air as your plane might be towed by the Israeli-built “Taxibot”.
•Do not use public transport inside Amsterdam, Moscow or Northern China in case you benefit from Israeli transportation devices.
•If you suffer a power or network failure, be grateful that at least you haven’t installed the Israeli system that prevents power outages.

Finally, you need to leave all your taps running when you leave home and must never flush your toilet, because Israel provides water-saving technology to over half of the planet. It also is providing sewage treatment technology across the world, including to the UK.

In light of the above, does it not seem awfully petty, not to say more than a little mediaeval, that West Dunbartonshire Council has decided to ban Israeli books - the means by which Israel's academics, novelists, playwrights and poets may challenge anti-Semitic bigotry, prejudice and discrimination?

112 Comments:

Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Although Dunbartonshire council have come across as ant Semitic YG, your excellent list has also exposed who stoods to benefit from our increasingly micro-chipped surveilance big brother society.

28 May 2011 at 11:40  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Will your communicants please form an orderly quee for their semite inspired medication time.

There are so many threats we wish you to fear, FEAR!!!!

Please, no question asked.

28 May 2011 at 11:45  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

TL:DR

28 May 2011 at 12:02  
Blogger graham wood said...

Another example of arrogance and the abuse of power from a publicly funded Council.
One might ask equally of Dunbarton's CEO - "Who gave you a mandate to engage with public money for your own particular political cause?

Have the good citizens of Dunbartonshire been consulted as to their views on Israel, or say "Climate Change" and on and on?
I suspect they are far more interested in good efficient local services in return for their Council taxes - not the bizarre edicts of an ideologically driven Israel haters.

28 May 2011 at 12:22  
Anonymous len said...

Also I hope no members of West Dunbartonshire Council have any intention of getting 'saved' as salvation came through the Jews.

Also Bibles should be banned by West Dunbartonshire Council as the Bible has more than a hint of Jewish influence.

As His Grace so eloquently illustrates ,West Dunbartonshire Council have well and truly 'shot themselves in the foot' with their irrational policies.

28 May 2011 at 12:26  
Blogger Little Black Sambo said...

Gosh, you must have a large research team.

28 May 2011 at 12:26  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Something of an over-reaction, on feels.

The decision by West Dunbartonshire is a small protest against the raid by Israeli commandoes on a ship attempting to break Israel's blockade on Gaza that led to the death of nine Turkish nationals.

Why is it that whenever Israel is criticised the knee jerk response is 'anti-semitism' rather than outrage at their beligerence?

Just read the response of European Jewish Congress President Moshe Kantor:

" ... eerily reminiscent of darker times, and perhaps there is a level of hatred that connects them.”
“This demonstrates how far ‘respectable anti-Semitism’ has come. Clearly it has become acceptable to boycott and discriminate against Jews, as long as there is a thin veneer of anti-Zionism which purportedly covers the hateful act.”

Paranoia or what? It's a protest against an unacceptable act by the State of Israel - not an anti-semitic act against against the Jewish people. There is a difference!

28 May 2011 at 13:09  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

The Last Dodo.

What if a local authority decides to ban everything Islamic as a protest against radical Islamism and the terror it wreaks. Would you say that was ok too? I suspect not as Islam is untouchable at the moment.

I pray for Israel's safety for if they fall I fear that so will we.

28 May 2011 at 13:14  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would it not be more pertinent for West Dunbartonshire Council to adopt Sharia Law and stop masquerading as a local, fair municipal council.

I am afraid their true colours have shown, and they should hold their heads in shame. If they were unwitting then they are unfit for their jobs; if they were aware, then they're clearly anti-Semitic. Either way, common sense has been displaced.

28 May 2011 at 13:16  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

I meant to say that what they have done is outrageous and is it actually legal? That any local council can just ban something on a political whim has to be wrong and as YG pointed out, the local electorate don't pay their council tax for this kind of behaviour.

28 May 2011 at 13:21  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

And the next prohibition, which I hope we can all support:
Avoid shopping, staying, or in any other way contributing to the economy of West Dumbartonshire. Do not purchase any meat, africultural produce or liquor that has originated in West Dumbartonshire. Do not go there for your holidays. Tell all your friends, relations and neighbours. Put the entire place under an economic inderdict. And communicate your intention of a boycott to the Chief Executive of West Dumbartonshire.

28 May 2011 at 13:24  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Maturecheese said...
"The Last Dodo.
What if a local authority decides to ban everything Islamic as a protest against radical Islamism and the terror it wreaks. Would you say that was ok too? I suspect not as Islam is untouchable at the moment.
I pray for Israel's safety for if they fall I fear that so will we."

Why shouldn't a local authority ban books published in Iran if they so choose? The thing is they haven't. That's called democracy. I may not like it, may disagree on there position towards Israel or Iran, but they surely have the right?

What nonsensical paranoia about the survival of the West depending on the survival State of Israel!
And even if it did, it doeasn't mean we have to support everything they do.

28 May 2011 at 13:25  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

len said...
"Also I hope no members of West Dunbartonshire Council have any intention of getting 'saved' as salvation came through the Jews."

What?!

Salvation now depends on supporting the secular state of Israel, does it?

Just where does it say that in the Bible?

28 May 2011 at 13:28  
Anonymous i albion said...

Come on Guy's can any one read in West Dunbartonshire??????

28 May 2011 at 13:47  
Blogger English Viking said...

I assume the Bible will be one of the first books to go, as its Jewish authorship is indisputable.

Dodo,

Len will forgive me for butting in. You twist his words and appear deliberately provocative. I can understand it when you do it to me, but he appears a most mild-mannered man, so why be so bolshy with him?


I believe he was referring to the fact that Jesus is a Jew.

28 May 2011 at 13:56  
Anonymous Anguished Soul said...

I wondered why an Icelandic volcano had started up again...

Now looking at the area covered with the ash cloud through the lens of Genesis 12.3, it all becomes clear.

28 May 2011 at 14:07  
Anonymous MrJ said...

The list is more than an instrument of ridicule, it is eye-openingly informative (relying on Abp C. as vouching for reliable accuracy of source). And, if true, what a shame the resentment fostered in the Arab States cannot become a desire to seek Israeli guidance for cooperative research and development. Are there interests further West and East that have been busily deflecting this and would sabotage it if it happenned?

To pick a favourite: "Vietnam, whose milk industry is being totally transformed using high-yield Israeli cows."

A further comical flight of Dodo irrelevancy, this time to roost with the Dumbartoneers: "It's a protest against an unacceptable act by the State of Israel - not an anti-semitic act against against the Jewish people."

28 May 2011 at 14:09  
Anonymous PJ said...

Perhaps a more sensible boycott would be be against PepsiCo who are proving funding for research and development for the company Senomyx which uses HEK-293 (human embryonic kidney cells) to produce flavour enhancers for Pepsi products

http://bryankemper.com/2011/05/27/pepsi-is-using-aborted-baby-cells-to-develop-flavor-enhancers-boycott-called-against-pepsico/

28 May 2011 at 14:19  
Anonymous Oswin said...

I have just checked the West Dunbartonshire Council website, where they: ''utterly refute recent media claims that it has launched a boycott on Israeli books''. 27/5/11. ???

28 May 2011 at 14:24  
Anonymous Chris Hamilton-Taylot said...

For all the 'lovely' apologists for West Dunbartonshire Council, whose attempts to rebuke criticism of the boycott is to evoke it as a political statement for the Flotilla incident, I am mightily disappointed. If you are true humanists, you may have charged any number of states with a boycott, ie. Iran authorities after electoral defeat; North Korea attacking the South; Syria killing protesters, etc, etc. It is not merely double standards in its most pathetic form, but clearly anti-Semitism. Israel is not beyond reproach if it has wronged, but it appears others are not because they do not fit the political agenda of these people.

28 May 2011 at 14:37  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

English Viking said...
"Dodo,
Len will forgive me for butting in. You twist his words and appear deliberately provocative ... I believe he was referring to the fact that Jesus is a Jew."

Just posting what he said:

len said...
"Also I hope no members of West Dunbartonshire Council have any intention of getting 'saved' as salvation came through the Jews."

He made a clear correlation between salvation and the present day State of Israel. No reference to Jesus having been a Jew. A reasonable inference that support for Israel is support for Christianity.

My post:
"Salvation now depends on supporting the secular state of Israel, does it? Just where does it say that in the Bible?"

His response:
"A further comical flight of Dodo irrelevancy, this time to roost with the Dumbartoneers: "It's a protest against an unacceptable act by the State of Israel - not an anti-semitic act against against the Jewish people."

Once again he side-steps the question. From previous posts, it can be seen he believes a Jewish State is needed before the 'rapture' (once the Jews convert). Through this 'lens', anything Israel does is acceptable even though they are no longer adherents to Judiasm.

Does 'Israel' mean 'to wrestle with God'?

28 May 2011 at 14:48  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Where would the World be without Israel, would we manage without it, would we get by without it.

Is there anything Israel provides we could not do for ourselves, to what extent has Israeli influence in the World created a need for their products, rather than Independant Nations abilities to manage for themselves, without Israel.

Zionist influence in World affairs is a study matter all in itself, like why Kosher produce never contains all the toxins the rest of us are expected to consume.

Yes I must agree, you have made a onesided overeaction YG, your posts about Israel are never balanced and this probably is the reason they attract what in turn may seem anti semitic reaction.

Which in truth is really just an attempt at bringing balance of opinion, in the name of level playing fields.

Let Israel ban books from Scotland, problem solved.

28 May 2011 at 14:55  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

One-eyed lens

No reply to the substance of the question?

And please not a string of out of context Biblical quotes - just say how you regard the State of Israel today and why we should blindly support them.

28 May 2011 at 15:02  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Boytcotting Israel makes no sence, when Jewish owned companies in Britain bring goods in from China.

British technology could provide lighting for Britain and jobs for British workers, yet the Jewish owned Searchlight lighting company sources its labour and products from China.

British jobs for British workers and good relations with Israel makes more sence to me!

28 May 2011 at 15:04  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

Len used the past tense - came - to indicated that salvation by faith happens because of a historic event that happened in Israel, the crucifixion. As I said, you twist his words and appear argumentative.

The Bible clearly teaches that certain events are going to take place at some unknown time in the future, within Israel. This is obviously not going to happen if Israel does not exist. I would have thought that support for Israel would have been a no-brainer for Christians, but as I have told you before, you are not following Christ so I am not surprised by your anti-semitic instincts. What does amaze me is how anyone, Christian or not, could show any support for a bunch of murderous, towel-headed thugs.

No one is sure of the etymology of the word Israel. It is true that it is the name God gave to Jacob after he wrestled with the Angel of the Lord, so your interpretation is valid. It is also said to mean Prince of God, which is the interpretation I was taught.

28 May 2011 at 15:11  
Blogger steve said...

From the West Dunbartonshire website:


The full text of the motion is:

‘This Council deplores the loss of life in Palestine which now numbers well over 1,000. This Council also recognises the disproportionate force used by the IDF in Palestine and agrees to boycott all Israeli goods as a consequence. Officers should immediately cease the purchase of any goods we currently source, which were made or grown in Israel. Officers should also ensure we procure no new goods or produce from Israel until this boycott is formally lifted by WDC.’

Which despite their protestations earlier in the news piece, leads them able to ban "any new goods or produce". People with an agenda will use that to go as far as they wish to with the boycott.

28 May 2011 at 15:19  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Viki said ...
"The Bible clearly teaches that certain events are going to take place at some unknown time in the future, within Israel. This is obviously not going to happen if Israel does not exist."

Agreed the Bible foretells such events. However, this does not justify unconditional support for a secular, militarily agressive State that calls itself Irsael and has abandoned God.

But then, that's the perennial history of Israel - both young and old. They opted for an elected King to rule them in place of a Judge chosen by God and as a people they are still rejecting Him and His New Covenant.

And please don't say I have anti-semetic instincts. My father was a semite (Jewish) Aren't Arabs a semitic people too?

'Wrestle with God' is a more apt name for Israel than 'Prince of God'.

28 May 2011 at 15:58  
Anonymous MrJ said...

In view of possible confusion resulting from an error at 14:48 (Dodo), MrJ disclaims the honour of being identified with len.

The more important errors have been answered by English Viking.

Thanks Steve for the text of the Dumbartoneers' motion. Such a brave band they are, enough to take the breath away of mere stay-at-homes!

28 May 2011 at 16:01  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

I've just realised what the problem could be.

You don't think that the Church has replaced Israel as God's chosen people, and thereby inherited the promises given to Israel by God, do you?

28 May 2011 at 16:18  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

Mr English Viking opines:
'The Bible clearly teaches that certain events are going to take place at some unknown time in the future, within Israel.'

No it doesn't.

28 May 2011 at 16:22  
Blogger English Viking said...

Anabaptist,

So when the abomination of desolation takes its/his place in the sanctuary, and armies are surrounding Jerusalem, and those in Judea are fleeing - this is all going to take place in Stoke on Trent, is it?

Don't bother answering, I can only deal with one idiot at a time.

28 May 2011 at 16:28  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Thicky Viki said ..
"Dodo,
I've just realised what the problem could be.
You don't think that the Church has replaced Israel as God's chosen people, and thereby inherited the promises given to Israel by God, do you?"

Am I a prophet or a theologian? How should I know whether 'replacement theology' is correct or not?

However, I do know that the Bible teaches us that the Jewish people are only released from bondage and reclaim their 'promised land' once they return to the Lord.

Not after underhanded political wheeling and dealing, artificially reconstructs their State because it serves the vested interests of the West.

28 May 2011 at 16:51  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

'However, I do know that the Bible teaches us that the Jewish people are only released from bondage and reclaim their 'promised land' once they return to the Lord. '

Scriptures please.

28 May 2011 at 17:02  
Anonymous len said...

Dodo,
I do have other things to do besides posting on blog`s you know.

English Viking is right I agree with the content of what EV says,not always with the presentation, I believe he does not suffer fools gladly!.

28 May 2011 at 17:19  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Brits and Judah need to get back to the truth of who we are as a biblical people and not who we are as politicized legal entities.

British support for Zionism in its all encompassing totallity, at the expence of its loyaty to us Brits has not been a success.

How can a British House of Lords filled with Jewish and Muslim Peers command allegiance from the Brits, why evidently destroying our own Country, something has got to give.

28 May 2011 at 17:20  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Bitb "How can a British House of Lords filled with Jewish and Muslim Peers command allegiance from the Brits..."

Loose talk.

Allegiance is to the Queen, or more abstractly the monarch, or the Crown. There is a dignified ceremony when any newly created baron or baronness first takes a seat in the House of Lords when words are said to show their responsibility to the Crown and people.

Many men and women who have had a Jewish upbringing, whether or not currently observant of Jewish religious practice, have made at least as worthy a contribution to the life of this country, and of other countries, as have other men and women, including hereditary peers and life peers.

There may be some Jews in this country who would be on the side of the Dumbartoneers in the present controversy. But it is obvious that many non-Jews are in agreement with the gist of Cranmer's article: conduct such as that of the Dumbartoneers is crass and a stain on the character of this country.

That of course, is apart from (and without prejudice to) anything which anyone may propose or deny by reference to any Biblical text.

It would be interesting to know where any person of Muslim upbringing who is a member of either House of Parliament stands on this one.

28 May 2011 at 18:26  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

English Viking said...
Dodo,
'However, I do know that the Bible teaches us that the Jewish people are only released from bondage and reclaim their 'promised land' once they return to the Lord. '

"Scriptures please."

Read Kings, Judges, Chronicles, Samuel and the Prophets - getting lazy?

That's your problem, you fail to see the wood for the trees in all the little bits of scripture you quote. You fail to see the bigger picture.

28 May 2011 at 18:37  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Cracked lens said ...

Hiding behind an uncouth barbarian now who never answers a direct question, are we?

28 May 2011 at 18:39  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GAS GAS GAS

28 May 2011 at 18:51  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

You are a liar, I always answer your questions, you just don't like the answers. A swift perusal of comments on recent posts will prove to the reader that it is you which dodges questions.

Anonymous 18:51

Nob-head. I suppose you think you're hard?

28 May 2011 at 18:59  
Anonymous Voyager said...

West Dunbartonshire Council is where ? In that dead economic zone where SNP and Labour live like flies on the carcass and sponge off English taxpayers......never mind the deadbeats can soak themselves in alcohol as the world marches on........the dogs may bark...but the caravan...

28 May 2011 at 19:19  
Anonymous Dick the Prick said...

It certainly seems a case for Trevor Philips' motley crew. If we can get judicial reviews on social care cuts, free school implementation, B&B's having to let benders in, people to hide cruciforms or simbols of allegiance - well, it seems like a worthy option for them but..

On a political note, i'm not surprised that Scottish Labour, SNP and other assorted riff raff are leftier than Bob Crow's left testicle.

In Calderdale there was a motion to ban nuclear weapons!!

28 May 2011 at 19:45  
Anonymous Gerard Tibercross said...

This sort of stunt is not necessarily anti-Semitic but is undoubtedly utterly stupid and counter-productive. Why attack Israeli academics and intellectuals? They are about the only voice of reason in the entire region. I wouldn't have any problem with aggressive action against the politicians (all and any of the idiots on both sides). So which books are boycotted? What about that recent study by a world renowned Israeli geneticist who demonstrated that the Palestinians are not Arabs at all, but the descendants of Jews who converted?

So who's got an IQ of 144? The WestDunbartonshire County Council.

28 May 2011 at 20:57  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Wonderful post and list, Your Grace. But, O my.

Some of my most precious memories are of West Dumbartonshire. I wanted stayed there for the rest of my mortal time - but, among other considerations, the taxes were a little high.

It's also the place where, sitting by the River Leven, I looked up at a commotion on the bridge. The flowing, silken, saffron robes of a striding alien disappeared from view, as the body of a Scots lad plummeted into the river. "It's ower country," he spluttered. "We can say whatever we like here." .......Right - and now we can't even buy a new Bible, if we want to stay legal?

So I think Anon @ 13.16 has a point. More than a few aliens are in business in that area. But in my experience, they're nasty and aggressive with it, and why the natives don't boycott them, I don't know. These foreigners are incongruous with the very landscape, which seems to reject them. And still they force themselves.

Sharia is here; after all, the euros set the example of how to impose foreign laws upon us....

Yes, I think we should work with Dr. North.

28 May 2011 at 20:58  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Och... 'wanted to stay'; and 'force themselves on people who don't want them.'

A wee problem with the editing, there!

28 May 2011 at 21:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I “perceive” the actions of West Dunbartonshire Council to be “racist” and therefore a “hate crime” has been committed.

28 May 2011 at 21:32  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

MrJ said... "Loose talk"

Allegiance is to your Kin, just as Royalties allegiance is to theirs.

It would seem our interests are diverging, splitting the Loyalties we once shared.

28 May 2011 at 21:51  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

Mr Dodo,

While I agree that there is no scriptural basis for the unconditional support of Israel, I fail to see how you cannot support them in this case.

Not only was the blockade, and therefore the interception of the flotilla, justified, but banning books is simply not what a free country does. I support Israel when I feel they are acting reasonably, and do not when they don't.

In this instance, the council is guilty of a gross betrayal of freedom of speech.

28 May 2011 at 22:09  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Lake-stirrer

Yeah, so tell me what exactly would you critice them for between 1948 and 2011?

28 May 2011 at 22:46  
Anonymous len said...

Dodo,
Have you ever considered, even for the briefest of moments , that you might, just possibly, be,ever so slightly, or even a lot,....................... wrong?

28 May 2011 at 22:57  
Anonymous MrJ said...

1) Bitb 21:51 "Allegiance is to your Kin..." fair point in its way. And how about kith?

And among a large kindred, loyalties may fluctuate. Questions of thick and thin, blood and water, before and after Last Supper. Some have no other kin.

2) len 22:57... too much to ask? Consider the chosen name, which may show some self-knowledge.

28 May 2011 at 23:25  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

len said...
"Dodo,
Have you ever considered, even for the briefest of moments , that you might, just possibly, be,ever so slightly, or even a lot,....................... wrong?"

MrJ said...
len 22:57... too much to ask? Consider the chosen name, which may show some self-knowledge.

Not hiding behind the Norse and decided to share your pompous little views, eh?

I'm absolutely certain about my faith - it wouldn't be a faith if I wasn't, now would it?

Other topics, of course!

Don't worry, I'll continue to challenge your little England views.

29 May 2011 at 00:00  
Anonymous non mouse said...

MrJ and len -- Yup. A flightless pigeon mired in a name like that...

I join my prayers with yours, Mr. len.

29 May 2011 at 00:04  
Anonymous non mouse said...

Mr. Rebel Saint --- I just replied to you with a solution, and Blogger pulled me off the Comment Box!!! :))

In any case -- the ghost post thing happens to a few of us. As a cure, people often suggest clearing the cache on your computer - via the 'Internet Options' tab, you know? It works for me.

Now I'll save a copy of this post, and see what happens!

29 May 2011 at 01:24  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

Strange how you can post, given that you should be at or around Wembley now, as you said you had tickets to watch Man U get humiliated by Barca?

If you are going to tell lies, at least remember you've told them.

Lying. It's in the catholic DNA.

PS AAAAAAAHHHHHHH! Man U were raped!!! You tit.

29 May 2011 at 01:32  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

MrJ said..."Some have no other kin"

The word allegiance relates to liege as in legit, legitimacy rests on the sacred nature of the Oath they broke.

29 May 2011 at 01:34  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo, 00:00,

There is an enormous difference between an arrogant assumption, vociferously asserted, and faith.

You are a liar.

29 May 2011 at 01:58  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

I'd advise you not to delete stuff.

Screen shots are bitch, aren't they?

Liar.

29 May 2011 at 02:01  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Viki said ...

"Liar."

That's not nice.

29 May 2011 at 02:24  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

I didn't get where I am today by being 'nice'.

You are a liar.

Pwnd. Raped. Battered.

How foul you are.

Tit.


PS Liar.

29 May 2011 at 02:44  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Bitb 01:34: "...legit..." Noted. Would that be "leg it" or the expression commonly used about theatre and drama(distinct from vaudeville and the knock-about sometimes seen here)?

29 May 2011 at 06:10  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

MrJ The devil is in the detail.

The Devil and the Sacred in English Drama, 1350-1642
by John D. Cox

29 May 2011 at 08:12  
Anonymous IanCad said...

English Viking @ 16:28 wrote;

"Anabaptist,

So when the abomination of desolation takes its/his place in the sanctuary, and armies are surrounding Jerusalem, and those in Judea are fleeing - this is all going to take place in Stoke on Trent, is it?

Don't bother answering, I can only deal with one idiot at a time."

The A of D is regarded by many Christians as relating to the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
It is a perfectly reasonable view.

Are all who question you idiots?

29 May 2011 at 08:24  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

This certainly cuts both ways as i remember that the tel aviv orchestra debated the issue ,should they play anything by wagner,since the national socialists in germany were fond of it,which like the above topic is an evasion of realities,it surely is time for the world to grow up.

29 May 2011 at 08:45  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Englishman, let's put your opinion into perspective. The Tel Aviv orchestra harbours doubts about playing music by Wagner,a famous anti-semite and cultural favourite of the Nazis who killed millions of Jews. However, they have played Wagner in the last twenty years and will probably do so again some time in the future as the survivors of the holocaust succumb to what waits for us all.

West Dunbartonshire Council has no doubt about banning Israeli books despite the fact the Israelis have so far failed to torture, gas, suicide bomb, car bomb or launch rockets against a single West Dumbartonshire council tax payer. They have, however, had the temerity to retaliate against fundamentalist terrorist nutjobs whose sole purpose of existence is to wipe Israel and every single Jew from the face of the planet. So I guess they should be reviled for wanting to survive.

29 May 2011 at 10:16  
Anonymous len said...

The Abomination of Desolation.

The prophesies regarding the abomination,the first fulfillment was not just Antiochus’ armies coming into Jerusalem—an early “treading it down” for three years until 165 BC—but the fact that those armies set up an image—a specific idol—on the Temple’s altar, which defiled and made it desolate. Antiochus further polluted the Temple by offering swine’s blood upon the altar. History reveals that the idol Antiochus placed in the Temple—or “holy place”—was a statue of Zeus or Jupiter Olympus, the chief deity of pagan Hellenists of Greece and Macedonia.

The second prophesy,many believe involves a statue,possibly the very same statue ,the 'peter'which is in Rome, which is actually a statue of Zeus or Jupiter Olympus.

God warns throughout history that Idol worship will bring His judgement down upon those who practice it.

29 May 2011 at 10:35  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"God warns throughout history that Idol worship will bring His judgement down upon those who practice it."

But not consistently, and never immediately, and usually by other means than divine appearance. In short, human civilisations fall and natural disasters happen every so often and people might be tempted to think that it was all just, well coincidence.

29 May 2011 at 13:26  
Anonymous Ahab`s leg said...

Anti semitism is a virus which optimists thought had been eradicated in 1945. Unfortunately the remnants of the scourge have been breeding east of the Jordan and have combined with the latest incarnation of the bodily fluids of Lenin to offer the old disease in a more virulent form. History has shown that failure to meet this challenge leads to destruction. Rome, Spain, Germany, USSR. There is every good reason therefore for even non believers to voice their concern at what we see and hear regularly close to home whether in the tone of the West of Scotland, the home counties or the back streets of Bradford.

29 May 2011 at 14:00  
Anonymous len said...

Danjo,
Idols in their most blatant form are constructed of metal, wood, and stone but they(idols ) can take other forms ie philosophies,ones intellect, even ones physical self,hence the current obsession with cosmetic surgery. !.

Regarding God`s dealings with idol worshippers and God`s time scan,

"Though the mills of God grind slowly, yet they grind exceeding small.

Hope this helps:)

29 May 2011 at 14:47  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

len said ...

"The second prophesy,many believe involves a statue,possibly the very same statue ,the 'peter'which is in Rome, which is actually a statue of Zeus or Jupiter Olympus."

"..many believe.." who's that then? Some obscure prostant sect?

What exact statue are you referring to? And who says it is one of Zeus or Jupiter?

Name these people!

29 May 2011 at 15:04  
Blogger English Viking said...

IanCad,

John didn't think the AD70 events were a complete fulfillment of the prophecies, as he added further details in his Apocalypse in AD90.

In my opinion, OT biblical prophesy very often had a threefold meaning. It was relevant to events in the very near future, related to when it was given; it was relevant to events in the distant future, relative to the 1st coming of Christ; it is relevant to events yet to come, in connection with the 2nd coming of Christ.

I don't think all that disagree with me are idiots, no. Only those that post arrant nonsense.

29 May 2011 at 15:48  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

Come on now, join in, you know the words:

Ooooooh It's all gone quiet over there,
It's all gone quiet over there,
It's all gone quiet, all gone quiet,
It's all gone quiet over there!

Don't you think today seems just that little bit brighter, more pleasant than usual?

Prawn sandwiches for dinner, was it?

29 May 2011 at 15:56  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

English Viking said...
"Dodo,
I didn't get where I am today by being 'nice'.
You are a liar.
Pwnd. Raped. Battered.
How foul you are.
Tit.
PS Liar."

Viki's wet his knickies!

You really are a nasty piece of work. Were you bullied in the playground for wearing short leather breaches? Or for thinking you were a big man? Or perhaps you were the little insecure bully surrounded by a group of 'pals'?

Before throwing out accusations you really should consider ALL the possibilities? Have you done so? No. Just base your suppositions on your narrow minded, bigoted prejudices.

The above post above reveals just how far away YOU are from the footsteps of Our Lord. There are numerous biblical passages condemning your little outburst. Read them and reflect on them.

29 May 2011 at 16:00  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

len said ...
Mr J said ...
English Viking said ...

They're a trio, much like Rag, Tag and Bobtail or Bill, Ben, the Flower Pot Men, and the Little Weed.

One posts billigerant nonsense, then another comes in to give this a semblance of respectability and, finally, the third arrives with a pompous, holier than thou scriptural reflection.

Just like wolves in sheep's, clothing they hunt in packs.

29 May 2011 at 16:07  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

You've said in the past that you would like to scratch my bare bottom, now you're fantasising about me urinating in short, leather breeches.

Dude, you need help.

PS Admit that you didn't go, that you weren't posting using bluetooth from the match, that you don't live 5 minutes away from Wembley, that you told a little lie about it, just admit that didn't go and I won't mention it again.

PS I was referring to Man U being utterly trashed, raped and battered, not you. You're such a fan you probably forgot the match was on.

29 May 2011 at 16:09  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

Do you know what they're calling the Trophy Room at Old Trafford now?




The Room.


Haaaa haaa aaaaaaahah ahahaha haaaaa hahaaha!

29 May 2011 at 16:13  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"they hunt in packs"

That's the modus operandi here, though the group varies. Haven't you noticed? Though to be fair, that's the way of most forums. Just take the ring-leader down whenever it happens. ;)

29 May 2011 at 16:13  
Blogger Ariadne said...

♥ to His Grace, ahab's leg, English Viking, len - and Tiddles' main man in absentia.

Israel really is the canary in the coal mine but...

Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.
Psalms 121
KJV

29 May 2011 at 16:30  
Blogger Ariadne said...

♥ graham wood, Anonymous (28 May 2011 13:16), Maturecheese, MrJ, Chris Hamilton-Taylor and Gnostic.

29 May 2011 at 16:38  
Blogger English Viking said...

Ariadne,

Cheers for that. You are correct, and Israel if fighting the front line of a war which is soon to be opening a second front here.

BTW Where is Blofeld? Hope he's OK.

29 May 2011 at 16:39  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Viki in wet Knickies

You made the allegation now prove it.

Man Utd were completely humilated by a far superior team last night. A team who would overwhelm any opposition. All credit to them for showing the world how to play football. Just a shame Man Utd were so dazed and bewildered by them. By the way, Spain is still a Catholic country and so I get some comfort from that.

As for the trophy room, well I think you'll find the greatest and most successful team EVER in England will collect plenty more trophies to accompany their record 19 Premiership titles.

Who do you support - Millwall

29 May 2011 at 16:58  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

DanJ0 said...
"they hunt in packs"
"That's the modus operandi here, though the group varies. Haven't you noticed? Though to be fair, that's the way of most forums. Just take the ring-leader down whenever it happens. ;)"

Yeah, but he hides away in his liar and only makes the occassional little foray into the open. He posts the odd ever so intellectual quote, avoids answering a direct question and disappears. Poor old Viki has his ego rubbed too and is encouraged to continue his nonsense.

29 May 2011 at 17:02  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

So you're going to do a 'Hughne' on this one, keep shtum, and hope it goes away? Let me assure you, until you admit it (you could call it confession, if you like) it is not going to go away. You know I can't prove it, that's what you are banking on.

I'll just ask you straight. Did you go to Wembley Stadium to watch the Champions League final yesterday?

Yes or no is fine.

BTW I don't support Millwall, but I am a bit like them;

We are Millwall,
We are Millwall,
No-one likes us,
We don't care.

FYI Liverpool FC are the most successful team in English History, with 18 Leagues and 5 (count 'em, 1,2,3,4,5!) European cups.

29 May 2011 at 17:24  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Viki

Domestic competitions, dear boy, domestic competions! More League titles and more FA Cups than any other. Do keep up.

And whether I went to Wembley or not yesterday is none of your business. Have I said I did? Besides, you really haven't considered ALL the possibilities, now have you?

29 May 2011 at 20:12  
Blogger English Viking said...

I've considered the possibility that you lied when you said you were going to match because you had a ticket.

You won't answer a simple, direct question, yes or no, even though you know that to answer would kill the subject stone-dead, because you will either have to lie in your answer or admit that you have already lied.

And you bitch about not getting an answer from me?

Did you go? Yes or no.

29 May 2011 at 20:18  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Viki

That's it set a shining example for christianity. Don't hide your light under a bushle! Spread the Good News!

"We are Millwall,
We are Millwall,
No-one likes us,
We don't care."

Is this is christianity?

29 May 2011 at 20:20  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Viki

Have I say I went?

29 May 2011 at 20:22  
Blogger English Viking said...

Praying to Mary and hoping in works for salvation.

Is this Christianity?

29 May 2011 at 21:07  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

English Viking said...
"Dodo,
I didn't get where I am today by being 'nice'.
You are a liar.
Pwnd. Raped. Battered.
How foul you are.
Tit.
PS Liar."

Your message of Christian love! Such hatred is based on what biblical passage?

Praying to Our Lady is based on her acceptance of the virgin birth, His closeness to her and His words on the Cross. Catholics believe He entrusted the Church to His mother's care.

"When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he says to his mother: Woman, behold your son. After that, he says to the disciple: Behold your mother."

29 May 2011 at 21:54  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

Did you go?

BTW We are not discussing how good a Christian I may or may not be, we are discussing what the Bible teaches Christianity to be.

Where does the Bible say we are to pray to Mary for help in the Christian walk? Where does it say that she has been entrusted with the care of the church by Christ? (I thought you said it was Peter? Make your mind up). How can a mere human cope with the barrage of simultaneous prayers, or is she divine?

29 May 2011 at 22:21  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Viki

MYOB

Where in the Bible does it say God is Three Persons and that Jesus was a part of One Triune God, Three Persons in One, Equal and Co-Eternal?

It doesn't! You have to discern it and that's what the early church Fathers did and set aside numerous false christologies.

Where in the Bible does it justify 'sola scriptura'? It doesn't!

Stop being so obtuse.

Peter was asigned the leadership of the earthly church. Mary a spiritual protective role.

"When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he says to his mother: Woman, behold your son. After that, he says to the disciple: Behold your mother."

29 May 2011 at 23:01  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

Mr Dodo, (I'd much rather you keep it polite wouldn't you? Especially the number of times I back you up in these discussions)

Israel, among other things to which I object

1. Terrorist beginnings.
2. Incompetencies leading to massacre in Lebanon
3. Shady dealings of Mossad, such as using British passports (espec. without permission)
4. Responding to Palestinian aggression despite knowing that it solves nothing
5. Could do more to stop provoking its Arab neighbours (though it is still more the victim than the aggressor)

Of course there are many more things to which I object about her Arab neighbours (bar Jordan, which seems to be rather a nice place for non-Muslims to live so long as they are not apostates), so why should I take sides?

Please tell me why banning books solves anything. Mein Kampf is still available to read, as is the Communist Manifesto.

Despite your petty name jibe I'll admit agree completely with your view on scriptural discernment. Many protestants are just looking for a reason to hate Catholics. Explain scripture and theology to them until it is obvious they are wilfully ignorant; then move on. There are people out there that want to hear Catholic reasoning for the Church's doctrine.

I will add as a footnote that you have very much changed in personality in the last few days and I'm a little worried, if not saddened. Are you a different person completely or have you just spent too long on these forums?

30 May 2011 at 00:05  
Blogger prziloczek said...

I think that Israel ought to be made a true democracy like all the other Middle Eastern countries- Syria, Libya, Iran.........
Honestly, by sucking up to people, you really do not get popular - you get taken for granted and despised.

30 May 2011 at 07:58  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

No more answers, until you answer me.

Did you go, yes or no?

30 May 2011 at 11:16  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Viki

A very good reason for not answering!

30 May 2011 at 13:23  
Blogger Ariadne said...

Lakester91

It's quite difficult to distinguish the Arab fantasia from British antisemitism in your "objections" to Israel.

A new book uncovers shocking secret attacks launched on ships bearing Holocaust survivors en route to Israel. Andrew Roberts on the violent lengths to which post-war Britain went to appease oil-rich Arab states.

Nothing to be proud of there.

The whole truth:
Legal Rights and Title of Sovereignty of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel and Palestine under International Law


prziloczek

Nice one!

30 May 2011 at 14:07  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

Ariadne,

Please read my old posts. I'm generally pro-Israel. I was just showing that I'm not pathologically so...

*Sigh*

30 May 2011 at 18:58  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Lakester91 said...
"Mr Dodo,
Despite your petty name jibe I'll admit agree completely with your view on scriptural discernment. Many protestants are just looking for a reason to hate Catholics. Explain scripture and theology to them until it is obvious they are wilfully ignorant; then move on. There are people out there that want to hear Catholic reasoning for the Church's doctrine.

I will add as a footnote that you have very much changed in personality in the last few days and I'm a little worried, if not saddened. Are you a different person completely or have you just spent too long on these forums?"

Thank you for your kind words of encouragement and your concern about my recent posts. Guess I just let some of the goading get to me and ended up fighting 'fire with fire.'

I'll take your advice in the spirit in which it is given.

Apologies too for the name jibe.

30 May 2011 at 23:44  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

Can I have an apology too, for being lied too?

31 May 2011 at 08:14  
Anonymous len said...

Lakester91 has despite his obvious youth a very mature,intelligent and reasoned attitude.
I started off wanting to know why there as such differences in interpretation of the scriptures and came to the conclusion that many others have come to the origins of these.
I will never accept the legitimacy of Catholicism which seems (to me) to be a blending of truth and error.
I have no quarrel with catholic people only the catholic system.
To apologise to ones friends is nice but to apologise to ones perceived 'enemies' is Christian and I think an apology to His Grace would be nice for littering up his blog with unhelpful remarks would be 'nice 'too.
We the 'enemies' started off trying to help you Mr Dodo and you turned on us in the most regrettable fashion.
Hope you can accept this in the spirit it is intended.

Bless you.

31 May 2011 at 09:10  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Ummm ... I see the vultures are circling!

I'm sure the Blogmaster has witnessed worse and would intervene if he believed his blog was being abused - as he did recently when I mistakenly re-posted and deleted several comments.

Whether my comments were 'unhelpful' really depends on your perspective, now doesn't it? I regret the tone and language of some recent posts, not their actual content.

English Viking, you are a truely obnoxious 'character' and I really want no more to do with you.

To the 'others', just read your recent combined posts to Danjo and reflect on your methods and style. You covertly support the Norse's shamefully gratuitous insults and then attempt to coat them with a semblance of middle-class respectability, half-truths and ineuendo. Not the way for christians to conduct themselves.

So, lesson learnt. And at the risk of mixing my metaphors:

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves"
Matthew 7:15

31 May 2011 at 12:29  
Blogger English Viking said...

So 'no' then, you are willing to maintain your lie?

31 May 2011 at 15:29  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Viki

Have you just broken wind - again?

31 May 2011 at 16:34  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

Liar.

31 May 2011 at 21:39  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Viki

What lie?

31 May 2011 at 21:54  
Blogger English Viking said...

The lie that you had a ticket to the match.

You'll have to get up early in the morning to catch me, drongo.

Soooo, you a ticket to the final, and claim to be a raving mad fan, but don't go? Hmmm?

Then you refuse to answer with a simple yes/no on the matter.

You've got a bit of prawn sandwich stuck in your beak. No, not there... up a bit, to the left... that's it, right there.

PS What was the score?

PPS Don't forget those screen-shots.

31 May 2011 at 22:50  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

This comment has been removed by the author.

31 May 2011 at 22:59  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Can't bear not knowing can you?

31 May 2011 at 23:01  
Blogger Brian said...

But, apart from that list, what has Israel ever done for us?

31 May 2011 at 23:04  
Blogger English Viking said...

Thought better of your post at 23:59, hmmh Dodo?

I know all I need to about you.

Liar.

31 May 2011 at 23:15  
Blogger The Last Dodo said...

Viki

Fantasist as well as a Troll.

1 June 2011 at 00:54  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

Drongo as well as liar.

Who are ya?
Who are ya?
Who are ya?

1 June 2011 at 12:59  

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