Wednesday, July 20, 2011

Eurogeddon - fiscal union and German destiny

When you hear of eurozone contagion and fiscal meltdown, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and politician against banker. There will be large knock-on effects worldwide and urgent high summits. These are the beginning of death throes.
According to David Bloom, currency chief at HSBC, “We are heading towards fiscal union or break-up. Talk is no longer enough as the fire threatens to leap over the firebreak into Spain and Italy. What the market is worried about is Germany's long-term commitment to the euro project. If we see unreserved and absolute backing from the political establishment of Germany, that will be a soothing balm."

And the response of Chancellor Angela Merkel is taken directly from the Monnet grand plan for European integration: ‘There will be no "spectacular step",’ she said. “Just a controlled process of gradual steps and measures.”

And so, gradually, incrementally, salami-slice by salami-slice, we edge towards fiscal union – a monetary union with a single bank, a single interest rate, a single economic policy, and a single taxation policy. It was always obvious to anyone with an ounce of discernment that a single currency would fail in the absence of political union. And here we have it: not with a single ‘spectacular step’, but ‘a controlled process of gradual steps and measures’.

One has to feel sorry for the Greeks (not to mention the Irish and the Portuguese), for they have now ceased to be a sovereign nation. Greece is bankrupt, and he who pays the bail-out calls the tune. But one must also pity the poor German taxpayers, who are now bearing the costs of the entire state debt of Greece. Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in The Telegraph encapsulates perfectly the religio-political dilemma;
In essence, this is a soul-searching drama within Germany over its own national destiny and place in Europe, echoed in the Netherlands, Finland and even France. Europe's confusion reflects the schizophrenia of its ancient tribal nations, each faced with the fateful choice of crossing the Rubicon to an EU Treasury and joint government or letting the EU project unravel after half a century.
When we hear talk of ‘German destiny’, we are talking about the self-perceived divine mission to preside over a unified Europe, achievable through a dominating German state. Germany’s Christian Democratic Union has been the driving force of European integration since the end of the Second World War. They are passionate about solidarity, the single market and the EU’s Social Charter. But these political objectives did not have their genesis in the Treaty of Rome: the same ideas were expressed by the Nazi finance minister Professor Walther Funk, the architect of Hitler’s ‘New Europe’. In 1942, he issued a compendium of papers which contained chapters and sections on ‘The Common European Currency’, ‘Harmonisation of European Rates of Exchange’, ‘The European Economic Community’, ‘The European Agricultural Economic Order’, ‘A Common Labour Policy’ and ‘The European regional principle’. In a summary of collectivist ideas and economic structures, he wrote: ‘The individual will be replaced by the people, the world market will be replaced by the living space, and capital will be replaced by the organisation of labour.’

Such a notion of ‘destiny’ or ‘divine right’ was also in the mind of Kaiser Wilhelm II, when he said: ‘…after the elimination of the British and the Jews…the result will be a United States of Europe… The hand of God is creating a new world…a United States of Europe under German leadership.’ The strategy was to consist of a central European economic association through mutual customs agreements, including France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Austro-Hungary, Poland, and possibly also Italy, Sweden and Norway. This association, while without a common constitutional over-structure and with the maintenance of external equality of its members, would lead to the establishment of economic domination of Germany over Central Europe.

Former German chancellor Helmut Kohl for many years declared his dissatisfaction with a common market of independent states, and believed it was German ‘destiny’ not merely to lead a European union, but to dominate it. At the time of the Maastricht debates, he said: ‘The European Union Treaty introduces a new and decisive stage in the process of European Union, which within a few years will lead to the creation of...the United States of Europe. There is no alternative to a policy which aims at combination, unless we wish to challenge fate. It has been my policy from the outset to combine indivisibly German unity and the political unification of Europe. For myself, these are two sides of the same coin. We shall only be able to create this greater Europe provided we irreversibly advance the present European core. Both must continue and remain at the top of the agenda: the European Union and the greater European edifice. There is no question of ‘either/or’ here, but only ‘both/and’.’

In stating this, he was merely following the ‘destiny’ mindset of his predecessors. Another former chancellor of Germany, Konrad Adenauer, declared: ‘Germany has a divine mission to save Western Europe.’ Since the era of Charlemagne, the notion of a ‘German destiny’ has been deeply engrained in the national psyche; it is an instinct which has driven Germany in the past, and one to which Hitler frequently referred in his speeches. Helmut Kohl also had dominance and destiny at the forefront of his thinking when he said: “The future will belong to the Germans...when we build the house of Europe... In the next two years we will make the process of European integration irreversible. This is a really big battle, but it is worth the fight.”

In 1994 the CDU, Chancellor Merkel’s party, set out their vision for a federal Europe, with a parliament which they stated would be a ‘genuine law-making body’. They further stated: ‘No country should be allowed to block by veto the efforts of the other countries to deepen integration.’ There can be no other interpretation of these aspirations than that they look to the emergence of a single state, with law-making and tax-raising powers. The CDU document went on to say: ‘Never again must there be a destabilizing vacuum of power in central Europe. If European integration were not to progress, Germany might be called upon, or tempted by its own security constraints, to try to effect the stabilization (a word replete with unpleasant historical echoes) on its own, and in the traditional way.’

His Grace will leave his readers and communicants to reflect on what Chancellor Kohl may have meant by that final phrase. Kohl and Merkel are a world apart from the Nazis, but Kohl did assert his conviction that if there were to be no further European integration, there may well be war. His Grace takes the contrary view: if we proceed along this path, it will surely lead to war. The terms ‘Reich’ and ‘Europe’ are synonymous in German thinking: a strong Reich was always necessary for a strong Europe, and conversely a strong Europe is inconceivable without a strong Reich. This is now Europe’s political law: EU policy is German policy; an assault on EU policy is an attack upon Germany; the failure of the euro represents the fall of the German empire. That cannot happen without Europe-wide convulsions, and the UK will not be insulated from the fallout.

Karl Lamers, the author of the 1994 CDU paper, asserted: ‘The highest interests of the Europeans are identical.’ Try telling that to the Greeks, as unemployment soars, wages are cut, public services are decimated and civil strife takes hold. As Germany achieves her ‘destiny’ as the head of a united Europe, controlling the European money supply is the principal means of sustaining that position. In a speech to the European-Atlantic Group on 12th June 1996, former German ambassador to the UK, Dr Jurgen Oesterholt, declared: ‘Germany is unconcerned with the economic experts who are ranged against monetary union. They will be proved irrelevant by the force of European will. It is Germany’s historic mission and role to provide that will.’

That ‘European will’ has now established a bail-out fund of €2 trillion, contra the received wisdom of the economic experts. The priority is to stabilise the monetary system, even if, as Ambrose Evans-Pritchard points out, ‘this risks pushing German debt levels above 110pc of GDP and causing apoplexy in the Bundestag’.

"We are approaching the endgame for this part of the European sovereign crises: the number of cans that now need kicking down the road would challenge the left foot of Lionel Messi," said Gary Jenkins from Evolution Securities. "The chances are that the EU will only take the step of fiscal union or common bond issuance at one minute to midnight on a weekend when it is clear that the system is close to collapse."
As the sun darkens and the moon does not give its light; as the stars will fall from the sky and the heavenly bodies are shaken; we await the man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all people; the one who will lift us out of the economic morass in which we are sinking. Send us such a man and, be he god or the devil, we will receive him. As His Grace prophesied long ago, we are witnessing the birth of the euromark. And so the plan will be perfected: the 'Germanisation of Europe’ will be complete; her ‘destiny’ fulfilled.

ADDENDUM (22 July 2011)
Some readers have found this post 'racist'. It is nothing of the sort. Indeed, in The Daily Telegraph, Peter Oborne alludes to the same 'German destiny' in his article 'The euro crisis will give Germany the empire it’s always dreamed of'. He observes:
Yesterday’s witching hour of the European Union means that Germany has come very close to realising Bismarck’s dream of an economic empire stretching from central Europe to the Eastern Mediterranean.
Oborne chose Bismarck; His Grace focused on Kaiser Wilhelm II and Professor Funk. No difference at all. Is Oborne 'racist'?


Anonymous Stuart said...

Bernard Connelly said earlier this year at an American conference, that Germany would have to give, not loan, money to the tune of 7% of its GDP on a permanent basis. I don't think he saw this as sustainable. The other option was for several countries to drop out of the Euro. He foresaw civil unrest and extra parliamentary regime change in a few countries. He also reminded the audience that several nations of Europe (PIIGS) have within living memory had fascist dictatorships as their form of government. The audience laughed at this. I didn't think that was funny myself.

20 July 2011 at 08:16  
Anonymous bluedog said...

It was ever thus, Your Grace.

The European project started as a partnership. But every partnership needs a senior partner, and wherever Germany is involved, there is only one possible choice for the position. Germany.

On the subject of which, your communicant was intrigued by the recent publication by Der Spiegel of scientific research, German sponsored one imagines, into the DNA of British men. We are told that 50% of British men have Y chromosones of Germanic origin.

Was this disclosure purely random?

Or was it a subtle propaganda ploy to influence British public opinion?

The message: you may not like us but as you are already deutschen volk, calm down and submit.

20 July 2011 at 08:33  
Anonymous graham wood said...

As usual on EU matters - you have given us another typically incisive and persuasive overview of the current situation.
But Cranmer, when you state:

"As His Grace prophesied long ago, we are witnessing the birth of the euromark. And so the plan will be perfected: the 'Germanisation of Europe’ will be complete; her ‘destiny’ fulfilled."

This may indeed express German desires for EU hegemony, but I personally doubt if the 'Euromark' will come into being., if only for the political barrier that may well be the verdict of the German people not to endorse such a move. It commits them to a far greater degree than support for the doomed Greek economy, as the domino effect will indeed "infect" the rest of the PIIGS which will be picked up by the markets.
It is EITHER a centralised EU 16 member Euroeconomy with centralised fiscal and economic control, OR the piecemeal break-up of the whole 'project' over the next few months (years?).
I believe it will be the latter.

20 July 2011 at 08:39  
Anonymous MrJ said...

A political union will fail with or without a monetary union. They are liable to failure "jointly and severally".

And the world monetary system as a whole is in desperate straights, beyond the reckoning of theorists or practitioners. Chancers may still be in with a chance, for a while.

Europe is as a diocese of a province (states but parishes, some called Town Councils).

Eurogeddon has a part in the general Mappae-mundigeddon (socalled because of variety of presentations).

Charlemagne was a Frank, heir to a Mayor of the Palace who by palace coup (as later Frenchmen would say) supplanted the Merovingians. Then came the Vikings, seizing Normandy and threatening the Capets of Paris. After some comings and goings, by Rhine and sea, the Entente Cordiale arrived. The rest is current local (Euro) history, affected by nearer and further Asia and the Americas of north, south and central.

England's custom is to sleep while storms are gathering; but the legends of the island tell of Alfred and Arthur and feet of Ancient Times.

For a while, the name of the game is sovereign debt.

Is that a type of Monopoly, or Chess or what?

20 July 2011 at 08:46  
Anonymous Greg Tingey said...

This is racist claptrap.
Branding Merkel (an "Ossie" for bog's sake!) as from the same mould as Funk and the Nazis is just a lie, and you should know better.
Large numbers of Germans want their DM back, thank-you very much!
They have no desire to be indebted to the Greeks or anyone else. Why should they abandon their standard of living - it was hard enough just re-integrating the former DDR - and even that isn't really finished yet.

However, we could see Ireland rejoin the Sterling area - which could be erm - interesting....

20 July 2011 at 08:51  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lead me to Canada , Australi, New Zealand , anywhere out of it .

20 July 2011 at 08:51  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Greg Tingey,

Hurling insults is the refuge of those who are devoid of argument. This is a post about perceptions 'German destiny'. What does that mean? Is Ambrose Evans-Pritchard being racist? Was William Rees-Mogg when he referred to us all being lumbered with the German Constitution?

Nowhere does His Grace state that Chancellor Merkel is 'of the same mould' as the Nazis. We are concened with the concept of 'destiny' and 'Reich'. Perhaps you are unaware of the history. His Grace knows full well that the majority of Germans do not want to pursue this path, which is why he says one must feel sorry for them. Of curse, if it easier for you to cry 'racist', that is your prerogative. But those who can will reason intelligently and eruditely.

20 July 2011 at 09:05  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's the fascist Europhiliacs like Greg Tingey who are the racists.

20 July 2011 at 09:56  
Blogger Edward Spalton said...

For comment from conscientious (and rather left wing), young, German journalists see

In 1951 Dr Adenauer's Minister of Commerce expressed Germany's aims for European integration rather well. Just six years after the end of the war and in part of a divided country, he could say "Will free Europe join Germany? Germany is the heart of Europe and the limbs must adjust to the heart, not the heart to the limbs".

20 July 2011 at 10:23  
Anonymous Dreadnaught said...

When we hear talk of ‘German destiny’, we are talking about the self-perceived divine mission to preside over a unified Europe, achievable through a dominating German state ...Cranmer

'The hand of God is creating a new world…a United States of Europe under German leadership' ... Wilelm 2

‘Germany has a divine mission to save Western Europe' ... Konrad Adenauer

Destiny? - destiny as in ordained from on High by God kind of destiny? - surely the Germans don't have the same God that HG and his communicants pray to; believe actually exists and has power over all of humanity, and awaits their presence in the after-life? But then, if there is only one God there must be only one message - stands to reason doesn't it?
Phew - that's all right then - we can all relax.

Why is everyone here including HG getting so up-tight about Germany; they must realise that God has got it all in hand - either that - or are they're all suffering under an illusion? - maybe He's just a figment of all their imaginations after all ... Ooooh - Scary!

20 July 2011 at 10:33  
Anonymous Preacher said...

Your Grace.
It was ever the same. History repeats itself more often than the Christmas special of Only Fools & Horses. "Not Babel AGAIN!" we cry, but the blind can't/won't see nor the deaf hear.
"When you see these signs, look up, for your redemption draws near!".

20 July 2011 at 10:38  
Anonymous Gresham said...

All Euros are equal, but some are more equal than others

20 July 2011 at 10:46  
Anonymous Jon said...

MrJ, a small point, England isn't an island. That was the only part of your point I understood, sorry.

YG, I thought God was an Englishman, as evidenced by the Angels of Mons, and in which case, what in Helmut's name is He doing?

Additionally, you have asserted that German aspirations to political union will inevitably erase the rights of member states to hold their own debt (instead to be replaced by Eurobonds). But those who point to a more perfect union across the Atlantic, forget that California is bankrupt all on its own, and others are close - will the US government federalise the state's debts or will California drop out of the dollar-zone? Why does Greek default inevitably break up the Euro?

20 July 2011 at 10:50  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Adenauer was Roman Catholic and chose Bonn as capital to be near France. He was a Rhinelander himself. Kohl was from Ludwigshafen lower down the Rhine. Merkel is Protestant, Schroeder was Protestant and France has had to work much harder to tie them in.

Lower income Germans have seen a 22% cut in net incomes since 2000; the cost of living hurts them when food products from Southern Europe are priced in Euros rather than Pesetas or Liras or Drachmas.

The huge transfer of German household incomes to Southern Europe through increased cost of living since the Euro was introduced deprives German Consumers of the benefits of higher productivity which is why German Domestic Consumption is flatlining.

Far from plotting a German Euro-Reich Germans are being forced into Euro-Reparations in a Lisbon/Rome Treaty to rival Versailles in 1919

Germans are being raped by France and its Club Med Dolce Vita Brigades

20 July 2011 at 10:55  
Blogger Span Ows said...

Too true voyager, perhaps soon they may seek to reverse this or even try to get more 'living room'.

20 July 2011 at 11:11  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

If these two notes written by Edward Heath in 1963 are any guide, the Conservative Party has long encouraged Germany to seek her destiny. In one, he writes, ‘We shall do everything we can to continue to work for true European unity’; in the other, ‘We, for our part, will not relax in our determination to achieve the European unity in which we believe.’

20 July 2011 at 11:26  
Anonymous JayBee said...

A bailout by any other name would be just as disastrous. Issuing Eurozone Bonds in exchange for PIIGS sovereign debt junk bonds can only be described as a super-massive bailout. It would have enough potency to undermine the Central Bank. If they could issue such bonds before market meltdown it would buy time. Does the machinery exist? Could it be implemented quickly enough? Even if it is possible surely it would only postpone the inevitable disintegration of the EU. The “disciplined” Core would eventually be bled dry by the “profligate” Periphery unless Teutonic discipline was forcibly imposed. But the German military is but a shadow of its former potential and other big players like France have their own agendas. If anything an ongoing state of crisis will stoke disunity and encourage fragmentation. The Euroturkey is stuffed and sooner or later it will be well and truly roasted. Not that we should be cheering to the rafters because when it happens the global impact will be grave.

20 July 2011 at 11:30  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ja ja, the Greeks are bankrupt, the Portuguese are broke, the Italians are profligate, let's blame it on the Germans. Include some nasty slurs about the Nazis while you're at it. Cheap jibes, lazy journalism.

Like most German taxpayers I am indeed miffed at paying the spendthrifts' debts. As a worker in German industry I see demand for our products soaring. Business is booming so much that engineers are being recruited in Spain, fancy that.

20 July 2011 at 11:31  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

‘Why does Greek default inevitably break up the Euro?’

The EU has a number of choices:

1. Let banks and governments go to the wall: serious civil strife (defaults, drachma, lira, punt – break up of the Euro).
2. Ask the German, Dutch and French taxpayers to work harder to pay off the debts of countries like Greece: you must be joking, Tommy.
3. Countries like Germany, France and the Netherlands join together (and keep out the PIIGS – Euro Mark).

20 July 2011 at 11:33  
Blogger English Viking said...

'...these political objectives did not have their genesis in the Treaty of Rome...'

Treaty of Versailles, perhaps?

PS The UK will not be -insulted-? Insulated?

20 July 2011 at 11:43  
Anonymous Hexe Froschbein said...

Unless you speak German fluently,
the level of depth of historical and current knowledge required to analyse at the level you're attempting to is only available in German language, along with the many documents that you'd need to read (over many years) in order to make sense to a level where you can begin to form an opinion of the depth that you're aspiring to.

Thema verfehlt, setzen, sechs.

20 July 2011 at 11:46  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not so fast Hans:
this what the EU elites are afraid of:

Put the kettle on:

20 July 2011 at 11:54  
Anonymous Greg Tingey said...

In reply to Cranmer.
I am not retracting my "racist" remark.
I have many German friends, and I speak the language a little. I expect to be there again at the end of August.

My late father was involved on the technical side (dye chemistry/industrial reconstruction etc) as a junior officer in the CivMilGov of the British Zone 1945-48. He had nothing but sympathy for those caught up in the madness and horror of '33-45, and we should rememeber that 'Dolfie got about 34% of the last vote taken, before he grabbed power.

The Corporatist EU is a great danger - to Germany and Germans, as much as it is to us.

Perhaps you now understand my direction of argument?

20 July 2011 at 12:03  
Anonymous Greg Tingey said...

To D. Singh.
If you read my pervious comment, you will see that I am NOT a Europhiliac.

The Eu has bacome a Corporatist plot.
As an example, try to buy seeds for your garden or allotment that haven't been "approved" by a committe owned by agribusiness ....

I think you owe me an apology.

20 July 2011 at 12:08  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Greg Tingey,

You state:

"I am not retracting my "racist" remark."

The reason being:

"I have many German friends, and I speak the language a little. I expect to be there again at the end of August."


His Grace also has many German friends and speaks the language rather more than a little. And yet you assert that His Grace's writing is 'racist claptrap'.

Please explain this apparent dichotomy, using reason, logic and intelligent discourse.

20 July 2011 at 12:16  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

To sum up then.

‘Germany Over All’ sets the interest rates in the Eurozone to suit its industrial might.

These interest rates are no good for the ‘PIIGS’. For example, Ireland needed high interest rates to suppress its credit boom – now they are in debt.

The EU is a big market for German goods (export dominated) – yet Germany is killing off (interest rates no good) the Med countries (that buy its goods)!

That is why German politicians want the bail-outs (but their taxpayers don’t – read carefully Cranmer’s article).

Blofeld sometimes tells a fable here. It goes something like this: the rabbit wanted to cross the river. He asked the crocodile for a lift persuading it not to devour him. The crocodile agreed. The rabbit jumped on the back of the crocodile. Half way across the crocodile opened its jaws to eat the rabbit. And the rabbit pleaded: ‘But you promised!’

The crocodile replied: ‘I know, but it’s my nature.’

Tingey you fired from the hip. If you want to continue - I'll go even further.

20 July 2011 at 12:16  
Anonymous Confessor said...

If the EU was a true union, it would have a constitution that protected each member state from duress, dominance, unfair practices and predatorship of any others. The Common Good would be its raison d'etre.

Obviously, there are some flaws in the organisation, structure and discipline of the EU if it allows one state to harm and dominate the others.

20 July 2011 at 12:56  
Anonymous Greg Tingey said...

I suggest his grace reads his own article, with the heavy hints and photographs of Funk in it?

20 July 2011 at 13:16  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Greg Tingey,

An embarrassing response. Indeed, it is now evident that you have not read the text of His Grace's post but merely looked at the pictures. That is rather childish, but it explains the poverty of your 'argument'.

20 July 2011 at 13:33  
Anonymous Nigel Smith said...

Greg Tingey would have been an appeaser in the 1930s and would have glady seen this country run by the Germans, as he seems quite happy with that now. Have people learned nothing from history?

20 July 2011 at 13:35  
Anonymous Avi Barzel said...

Not a nice piece to greet the morning with, I must say. His Grace presents a bleak and frightening picture of Europe's undercurrents, trends and patterns which appear to run deeper than I thought...or would like to think. The mind strains to reject their substance, but the Devil being in the details, as they say, the details are surely resolving with greater and greater definition and depth of field. Say it isn't so, Your Grace.

Long ago, back in the mists of pre-history, back in the early 1980s that is, when I thought we were living in the Bright New Era (mostly because I got a brand new Mustang for somehow graduating high school), a prof of mine opined that history is a continuum and that its "energies" don't just appear ex nihilo or disappear into the vacuum of space. He saw Western history as a continuation of Rome and our current times as a structural and institutional extension of the Middle Ages. He also maintained that the official end of the previous world war is merely a formality, or a shallow conceptual construct.

As a natural optimist, a believer in the fundamental goodness of humans and an avid fan of sci fi and all brave futuristic notions, I didn't think much of my old prof's ideas. In fact, I thought them to be a tad nutty and overly sour in flavour.

As the years went by and my peppy secularalism eroded in the face of reality, I saw the worrying trends mainly in Judeo-centric terms, as in the re-emergence of European and left-wing antisimitism under the new guises of "anti-zionism" or "palestinianism," neither of which made any sense from a humanitarian perspective, the manifested explanation we were being urged to accept. But, hoo-boy, this is getting bigger and bigger and won't stop until the last Jew gets out of Europe either. We, may be the proverbial canaries again, ringing alarum bells for anyone who cares to notice, but we have our own nation now and for the timid at heart, like me, North America is still the glowing New World.

I have no idea how things will turn out, and I don't wish to think the worst, but His Grace's warnings can't be dismissed. It seems to me that the UK is the last bastion of liberty in Europe, but that it's a shaky one and I thank Providence that I'm in Canada...not that it's perfect here. Still, for someone who in his halcyon days of glowing youth thought that his future children would be pioneering space, the possibility that my young daughters might never want to or be able to safely "do Europe" one day simply because they are Jews is, with every year, becoming very real. And all this is very, very sad, for them and for the "diminutive peninsula" where I was born, spent my childhood and left bit of my heart behind.

20 July 2011 at 13:52  
Anonymous Edward Heath, Euro-hero said...

The solution is very simple. In exchange for cancelling the bonds Germany's holding, Greece just cedes sovereignty of some of it's land to Germany. Same goes for all of the other countries in debt to Germany. And Europe just reverts to the status quo ante, circa 1942

20 July 2011 at 13:52  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

I agree with the drift of this mornings blog. Many German politicians do seem to want to promote a history destiny for the country.

Looking back, a lot of destructive ideas have emanated from Germany down the years - and I don't just mean Marx and Nietzsche!

20 July 2011 at 14:29  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Confessor: ‘Obviously, there are some flaws in the organisation, structure and discipline of the EU if it allows one state to harm and dominate the others.’

‘And the rabbit pleaded: “But you promised!”

‘The crocodile replied: “I know, but it’s my nature.”

‘Firstly, the political connection between the governed and the governing is diluted to such an extent that the legislature (the European Commission) has no link, interaction with, and is not accountable to, member-state citizens; hence the role of the member-state government as an intermediary because, as will be detailed in part two, the institution that creates and produces legislation is closed to the public. Because of this, there is no need or obligation for the legislature to work in the interests of, or be reflective of, its member-state citizens, and it is not structurally or ideologically set up to act in this way. Secondly, and related, when the source of political power is not the citizen, but a mix the member-state governments and independent EU bureaucratic interests, there is no reason or fundamental obligation to actually have a democratic political marketplace in which European Union progression and legislative direction is publicly discussed and debated, because, governance is an overwhelmingly closed practice.’

George Buchan, European Union Power (The Bruges Group)

20 July 2011 at 14:43  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Confessor said...
"If the EU was a true union, it would have a constitution that protected each member state from duress, dominance, unfair practices and predatorship of any others. The Common Good would be its raison d'etre."

The "Common Good" is a slippery concept. Ask the American Confederate States about this. Not that I agree with slavery, it is abhorrent, but the American Union of United States was imposed by the North on the South principally for economic rather than moral reasons.

Any further moves towards a United States of Europe, rather than a commonwealth of independent States, must be resisted. It is a long standing Germany dream, as outlined in today's post, to economically and politically control Europe.

20 July 2011 at 15:11  
Anonymous VOyager said...

Germany Over All’ sets the interest rates in the Eurozone to suit its industrial might

What a funny idea ! Look at the composition of the European Central Bank. Those interest rates are in fact HIGHER than in the UK where interest rates have been set to suit British (insolvent) Banks......

Higher interest rates in the EuroZone would CRUSH Ireland, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Spain and devastate the US Dollar

20 July 2011 at 15:13  
Anonymous Dreadnaught said...

Why aren't Greece and the other near-defaulters just kicked out of the EU and not allowed back until they have sorted their houses, got the tax dodgers to pay up and cleared out the corruption that blights their governments.

We should not be supporting bad governance without guarantees of drastic reform right through and that includes the entire miserable EUnion gravy-train.

20 July 2011 at 15:17  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Voyager: ‘Higher interest rates in the EuroZone would CRUSH Ireland, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Spain.’

‘Which brings me to the European Central Bank, which has chosen this moment to raise interest rates, signal further monetary tightening, and make matters worse.
‘As readers know, I have long regarded this macho posturing by the ECB as misguided and a direct cause of the crisis now spreading to Italy and Spain. Real M1 deposits are contracting at a 7pc rate in Italy. Eurozone M3 is as flat as a pancake.
‘In the long run, over-tightening by central banks can damage currencies, if it leads to economic asphyxiation. But in the short to medium run it can drive currencies much higher.
‘The German core is growing robustly, and markets reflexively treat Germany as a proxy for Euroland. This is may prove to be a big mistake.’

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, The Daily Telegraph, 20 July 2001

20 July 2011 at 15:33  
Anonymous Bede said...

One has to ask why Germany has a stronger economy, and finances, than other European countries. There are a number of valid reasons, but surely a central one is the ancestral memory of the hyper-inflation of the early
1920s, which ruined the country (already devasted by WW1) and played a big part in the rise of Hitler. Ever since WW2 they have been almost paranoid about inflation, and have lived within their means - which other countries have not.

20 July 2011 at 15:45  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Real M1 deposits are contracting at a 7pc rate in Italy. Eurozone M3 is as flat as a pancake

and in Britain ?

BTW....they are contracting in the USA too....

US money supply plunges at 1930s pace as Obama eyes fresh stimulus

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

9:40PM BST 26 May 2010

20 July 2011 at 16:56  
Anonymous Voyager said...

why Germany has a stronger economy, and finances, than other European countries

It has more medium-sized family businesses than the rest of Europe combined with very high export quotas and technically sophisticated products

20 July 2011 at 16:58  
Blogger Elby the Beserk said...

Excellent article. If it is not already a tyranny, the EU, by its very nature, is a nascent one.

20 July 2011 at 17:10  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Whether fiscal union, or break-up; there WILL still be fiscal break-down. I'd rather be near-bankrupt and free, than bankrupt and enslaved to the EU.

20 July 2011 at 18:13  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"For the folk-community does not exist on the fictitious value of money but on the results of productive labor, which is what gives money its value" Adolf Hitler

The EU is drowning in the fictitious value of money.

20 July 2011 at 18:27  
Anonymous Voyager said...

The EU is drowning in the fictitious value of money.

Not so. It is simply Politicians dancing to the tune of their Paymasters in The Banks and transferring the liabilities of reckless lending to a general mortgage or floating charge over future tax revenues

20 July 2011 at 18:29  
Anonymous Oswin said...

''Fictitious value of money'' - well it's going to get alarmingly fictitious when the price of gold eventually soars to unpredcedented heights. I don't think Bred in the Bone is too far off the truth on this one, but perhaps for slightly different reasons.

20 July 2011 at 18:45  
Anonymous Voyager said...

when the price of gold eventually soars to unpredcedented height

Indians buying gold for jewellery. It is illegal to hold gold in Brtain....they are probably fed up of speculating on coffee, oil, wheat, maize, and looking to park profits from Morgan Stanley, Barcap and Goldman trading

Chinese officials did do a bunk with $150 billion

20 July 2011 at 18:48  
Anonymous Oswin said...

''It is illegal to hold gold in Britain'' ???

20 July 2011 at 18:59  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Jon 10:50 said... "MrJ, a small point, England isn't an island. That was the only part of your point I understood, sorry."

Thank you for pointing that out. It was too tersely or elliptically expressed, and open to that remark. This is the first moment today I have been able to respond.

1) The "island" is the whole of Great Britain, including North Britain. Among its legends are those mentioned. There are other legends from England and other parts of the island, including some which are more ancient than Saxon times.

2) The rest of that comment is not too far removed from the remarks addressed in 10:50 to "YG".

In my view, Voyager's comments at 10:55 and 16:58 are also to the point, and OurSally at 11:31, Avi Barzel at 13:52, and Dodo the Dude 15:11.

20 July 2011 at 19:50  
Anonymous Pastor Matt said...

The twentieth century began with Europe, the heart of what was the ancient Roman Empire, in decline. The upstart, America, was coming on strong as a world leader among nations. This circumstance, some historians propose, was a major factor in setting in motion movement toward World War I. Following that war, Europe was in chaos, but with great determination set about to put its house in order.

Despite fierce nationalism among Europe's nations, by 1954, the recovery was looked at as an economic miracle. Still, there was a major problem in ever achieving the much longed-for unity of purpose so many European thinkers elite coveted for the region. The nations had come together to fight in a common cause against Germany for the most part. However, each country continued to be completely independent from one another, and to maintain impenetrable economic trade-barrier walls. The situation made carrying on trade with other European nations difficult, if not impossible.

The European Union grows rapidly toward its full power that will produce a leader of unprecedented authority. Bible prophecy foretells that seven out of ten 'kings' will back a world leader, who will forcibly rip power from the other three and give it to himself. The great question of our time, prophetically speaking, might be: Is the European Union the prophesied governmental body that will eventuate in becoming the ten kingdoms that will provide Antichrist with his beastly power?

All we will say here is that with all other prophetic indicators seemingly in full view upon the immediate geopolitical horizon, another profound ingredient has just been added to the fascinating mix. If the EU is not the body that will evolve into that most evil of history's empires, it must be that biblically prophesied empire's twin.

The prophetic tide rolls toward an unsuspecting world. Breaking news, however, should not surprise Christians. We are told to watch for the nearness of Christ's return in many places throughout the Bible.

I believe that the fact that the European Union is in prophecy is self-evident because of today's stunning headlines. The true importance of that, if the EU is in fact the forming of the beast-kingdom from which Antichrist will come upon the world scene, is that it means Jesus' call to His Church (the Rapture) must be very near indeed!

20 July 2011 at 20:20  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Voyager: " It is illegal to hold gold in Brtain...."

Illegal? Why?

Harrods sell gold bullion in various sized bars to take away.

20 July 2011 at 20:37  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no untoward reason Oswin, other than recognition of wise words when I see them.

I care nothing for excessive State power, but for people waking up to their own worth.

My concern is for all the disenfranchised souls, in this Godless system.

20 July 2011 at 20:37  
Anonymous Real Bible said...

the EU is the revived Roman Empire that will bring about the rise of Antichrist, &it is important to look at the religious symbolism of the EU. After all, riding on the beast’s back will be the harlot that represents a global pagan religious system that will unite the world and play a part in the persecution of the tribulation saints (Rev. 17).

The EU flag has a circle of 12 stars on a blue background. These stars were inspired by the halo of 12 stars appearing around the Madonna as depicted in Catholic pictures of her. Leon Marchal, former secretary general of the Council of Europe, confirmed that the stars are representative of “the woman of the Apocalypse”. He expounded, “it’s wonderful that we have gotten back to the introit of the new Mass of the Assumption. It’s the corona stellarum duodecim of the woman of the Apocalypse”. He is referencing the woman in Revelation 12 who appears with a crown of 12 stars. The Bible uses this symbolism to represent Israel, however the Catholic Church has always claimed that she represents the Virgin Mary, “the mother of God”. A leaflet titled “Building Europe Together” states that “The European flag is a shared flag, blue with 12 gold stars symbolizing completeness. The number will remain 12 no matter how many countries there are in the European Union.”

The anthem of the EU “Ode to Joy” also contains religious symbolism. “Ode to Joy” is the prelude to the last movement of Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony, which has religious implications. EU publications state that the anthem really is an “ode to freedom, community, and peace”, however the lyrics, by Friedrich von Schiller, are actually about the entering of the shrine of a pagan goddess and the uniting of all men in brotherhood, by the power of magic.5

Further evidence of a religious side to the European Union is a poster that was issued by the EU, showing the tower of Babel. The poster carried the slogan “Many tongues, one voice.” As if the celebration of the pagan tower that led God to confuse the languages of a defiant people (Genesis 11) isn’t enough, a crane in the background was shown rebuilding the tower. Now, once again, a rebellious people are rebuilding mystery Babylon. In a parliament building in Strasbourg, France, you will find an enormous replica of the unfinished tower of Babel that the secular press has named “Eurobabel”.

If that religious symbolism seems too obscure to be that significant, perhaps a snapshot of Revelation 17 will peak your interest in the religious symbolism of the EU. Revelation 17 depicts a great harlot riding on a beast. The beast in Revelation 17 represents the world government and the great harlot is a global religion that will ride in on its back. This harlot riding a beast was used when Britain issued a stamp to commemorate the first EU parliament election in 1979. It is now the official picture of the EU, and is painted on the dome of the parliament building in Brussels. It is also pictured on the same building that holds the “Eurobabel”.

The EU constitution has also raised the ire of protestant leaders by banning the mention of Christianity as part of Europe’s cultural heritage, while at the same time, including references to the civilizations of Greece and Rome, and the philosophical heritage of the Enlightenment. EU government representatives excused this revisionist view of history by claiming any mention of Christian values would upset the Muslim population of the EU.

As you can see, the stage is being set for the emergence of a global political system(the EU and the UN), a global economic system(the Euro and WTO), and a global religious system (the interfaith movement).

The EU would seem to fulfill many of the prophesies of the fourth kingdom that is to come, from which will arise the Antichrist of the end-times.

20 July 2011 at 20:58  
Anonymous MrJ said...

A Village Explainer could propose that the promotional propaganda for the self-styled "European Union" has this in common with some of the comments repeated on this Blog and elsewhere: a propensity to misuse Christian themes and tropes, in ways that are not necessarily wicked but are not necessarily harmless.

20 July 2011 at 21:26  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And there was me thinking 'Global Warming' was the new universal religion.

20 July 2011 at 22:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice biffing Your Grace, let's hope you and Daniel Hannan are starting a trend....

Unconscious bias, and a handsome apology from the BBC. - D. Hannan's Telegraph Blog

20 July 2011 at 22:20  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Real Bible

I have no way of verifying some of your claims for the symbolism behind the EU flag, the 'anthem' and the various posters and paintings you cite.

However, even if you are right about these artefacts it does not follow there is a deliberate conspiracy afoot or an inevitable unfolding of history linked to end time prophecies and the arrival of the anti-Christ.

It may just be that the symbols are powerful and emotive and judged effective by those attempting to promote a common European identity. Afterall, religious symbolism in art and music can be very powerful.

20 July 2011 at 22:34  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

....Following on from being impressed Your Grace...I note the twitchy moderator at the Telegraph has yet again air brushed my thoughts and alleged right to express myself politely and freely in accordance with English custom, I tried to make this comment, about the Euro-sceptic word :

"OED -

Sceptical - inclined to question the truth or soundness of accepted ideas.

Typically of the left, they arrogantly claim victory in an argument, then work backwards, subtly framing their critics with presumed natural authority and derision.

In this long-running instance, it is automatically taken that the EU is universally accepted by Europe's citizens, - an inversion of the truth.

This subtle 'victory language' needs striking down, and then aggressively dissecting - with zero mercy - each and every time.

This is how the left whooped so effortlessly in the past, by presuming fake realities, e.g. You're DNA code produces white skin, therefore ......blah, blah, blah......13-nil."

Does that really warrant deletion?

Exactly - I thought not.

20 July 2011 at 22:44  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

End Time Bible Prophesies now there`s a subject.

'THE DANIEL PROJECT' is something well worth looking into!.

20 July 2011 at 22:47  
Anonymous Stephen Gash said...

Why is it people are forgetting the Dutch (and German) debt the English taxpayers were saddled with from the RBS takeover of ABN-AMRO and subsequent Scots-led nationalisation?

20 July 2011 at 22:52  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Profound appreciation Your Grace, my opinion maybe entirely disposable, but at least it's not being muffled New Labour style.


20 July 2011 at 22:59  
Anonymous bluedog said...

Len @ 22.47 said,'THE DANIEL PROJECT' is something well worth looking into!.

Indeed. Make that the Daniel Hannan Project.

With Dave in a death-spiral and a dodgy (Osborne) collection of front bench alternatives, the UK needs fresh thinking at the highest level.

Dan Hannan for PM.

20 July 2011 at 23:51  
Anonymous permanentexpat said...

I spent the most productive years of my working life in Germany; paid (pay) my taxes there; have a large number of German family & friends; have never met a German who wanted the Euro which was the price exacted by Mitterand for his recognition of 'Wiedervereinigung'...Germans, like any others, do not take kindly to paying profligates' mortgages...and God has nothing to do with this; He has enough problems elsewhere.

21 July 2011 at 00:05  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len said...
"End Time Bible Prophesies now there`s a subject.
'THE DANIEL PROJECT' is something well worth looking into!"

This'll be the film based on Biblical exposition by one Jacob Prasch?

On balance, I think '2012' is probably a better film to spend your money on!

21 July 2011 at 01:16  
Anonymous carl jacobs said...


The "Common Good" is a slippery concept. Ask the American Confederate States about this. Not that I agree with slavery, it is abhorrent, but the American Union of United States was imposed by the North on the South principally for economic rather than moral reasons.

That is simply not historically true. The issue of the American Civil War was Union. The cause of the American Civil War was the divergence between North and South caused by the influence of slavery on the South. Prior to 1861, the South maintained a strong position in the American Federal Gov't. Much of the political conflict during the previous 50 years had its origins in maintaining a balance of power between free and slave states. It was the political power of the South - "The Slave Power" - and its willingness to try to extend it into the North that so angered northern citizens. It was such issues as the Fugitive Slave Act, Southern interference with the mail, and the removal of the right to petition Congress about slavery that drove northern attitudes.

Indeed, Lincoln's election threatened vital Southern interests only because Lincoln would not allow expansion of slavery into the territories. No slaves in the territories meant no new slaves states, and that threatened both the Southern blocking majority in the Senate, and its influence over federal judges. This was why the South seceded. It was seeking to protect the institution of Slavery from slow strangulation by the federal government.

The North fought for Union. It did not fight to protect high tariffs. It saw the Southerners as traitorous rebels who had oppressed Northern rights long enough and now wanted to break the Union. The South fought to establish an independent country for the benefit of its 'Peculiar Institution.' The war had absolutely nothing to do with 'imposing Union' on the South for economic reasons. Lincoln in fact never directly threatened the position of slavery in the slave states. He only threatened its ability to maintain its long-term influence in the American Government, and that is why the South seceded from the Union.


21 July 2011 at 02:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Len said "End Time Bible Prophesies now there`s a subject."

I could not agree more! Speak brother!

21 July 2011 at 06:02  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Euro crisis – the Latin countries breaking away – its significance

Once this is understood the statement must be made clearly: The Roman Empire was a Mediterranean empire, not a European empire. The power base of the Roman Empire was the peaceful trade across Mediterranean Sea. It was never a European empire. Gaul, (France today) was never the center of power for the Empire. The land of Germany was outside the Empire, as were the Germanic tribes that helped weaken the Empire. Italy as the center of political power was due to its location, and the fact that Italy juts out into the Mediterranean. While European Spain was profitable for Rome, it was not a center of political power. Rome had a name for the Mediterranean. They called the Mediterranean mara nostrum, meaning “our sea.”

Those who think the Roman Empire will be revived as the Beast power had better remember to squeeze Turkey, Greece and Egypt into their prophetic scenario as 3 of the 10 nations of that revival, because all three were major provinces of the Roman Empire. However, I have never seen anyone include those lands as part of the 10 toes or 10 horns.

The western Mediterranean was actually lost to the Empire. Later Justinian strove mightily to reconnect East and West Empire in the 6th century C.E. by strategic use of military power, particularly naval forces. He almost succeeded in re-unifying much of the Roman Empire by controlling the Mediterranean Sea, but later emperors neglected the Western Empire because the cost was greater than the benefit. When Islam arose and the Arabs launched from Arabia, the manpower of the Empire was in a reduced condition and could not stand the onslaught of a vigorous and comparatively numerous people.

The 10 nations are identified and named in the Bible. They are around Israel, just as you would expect. They are in proximity to God’s promised land There is no mystery who they are or where they are located.

21 July 2011 at 07:50  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Well put, Anonymous (7:50).

Whether readers will have taken this aboard for carrying forward to future comment and discussion remains to be seen.

21 July 2011 at 08:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Mahdi must come before your Christ.

21 July 2011 at 08:17  
Blogger Ingenieur said...

A constitution normally is designed to protect the populace from excesses by its government. The US constitution is a good example of this.

But the EU constitution (rejected by voters whenever clearly presented) is designed to protect the Commissioners from any accountability to the populace. It is, as many have observed, a sure-fire recipe for the emergence of a strong man or dictator in the mould of Napoleon or Hitler or Antichrist.

21 July 2011 at 08:28  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Each one of you is warned every hour.

A4 1260.

Moving on to the 1st Century AD and the writing of the Bible's concluding Book, The Revelation (of Jesus Christ), we find divine sanction for reading Hebrew (and Greek) words as numbers; indeed, Rv.13:18 encourages us to do so. - the number 666 being offered as the key to wisdom. A second number, 1260, is found in unusual circumstances in the close vicinity of 666 (see Rv.12:6,14;13:5).

“Then the woman (believing Israel) fled into the wilderness...for 1260 days (after which Christ will return to crush satan’s head - the 4th Fall). And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth (ground) and his angels were cast out with him.”

21 July 2011 at 08:38  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The spirit of the Mahdi has come to Britain.

The suggestion is contained in a discussion paper for the Government's draft integration strategy, which is in front of me as I write. The paper for an internal "Integration and Tolerance Working Group", titled "Creating the conditions for integration", says:

"Similarly, religious marriage is not recognised by the State unless you choose for it to be so. This leaves an individual who enters into religious marriages unprotected if their partner enters a second or third religious marriage. This can be remedied by requiring both religious marriages and religious divorces to be registered with civil authorities. Likewise, there could be a duty on anyone conducting religious marriages and divorces to register with the state."

21 July 2011 at 09:21  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Voyager: @ 14:48 (again) & DanJo (equaly baffled as myself!) at 20:37

Your cryptic contribution ref' ''Indians buying gold for jewellery'' and '' It is illegal to hold gold in Britain'' disturbed my sleep until an unwanted 'Eureka' moment short-changed me of four hours kip!

I recall reading those self-same lines way back in the midst of time, courtesy of my father's copy of the Daily Sketch, during one of Harold Wilson's terms of office; either 1964 or 1967?

Restrictions on holding gold were removed in 1964, and Wilson devalued the £ in 1967, by 14.?%, after an attack on Stirling and, a 'run on gold' etc.

''Indians buying gold for jewellery'' refers, if memory serves me well, to the disappearance of British gold sovereigns,and/or one ounce bullion bars (?) to Indian manufacture un-assayed jewellery, yes?

My understanding of finance, during that period, was largely restricted to my weekly pocket-money, being rather more interested in the 'Rolling Stones' and girls, than following shifts in the bullion market. Therefore the meaning of your obscure and cryptic observations/quotes need further elucidation.

I'm unable to speculate further, due to a shortfall of sleep! :o(

21 July 2011 at 10:02  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...


We're not a great distance apart on the root causes of the American Civil War. At least we agree it was a power struggle between blocks of States attempting to preserve and promote their own economic and political interests over those of others, rather than the moral issue of slavery per se.

The industrial North had a different set of interests to the South and the struggle was over the shape of the economy in the expansion West. I call that economic. you see it as political. Is there really such a difference between the two perspectives?

The point I'm making is that a 'United States' holds dangers when the interests of different parts clash and this applies to any furthering of a United States of Europe. Is there a right toleave?

21 July 2011 at 10:11  
Anonymous tory boys never grow up said...

"The terms ‘Reich’ and ‘Europe’ are synonymous in German thinking."

This is just not true. Do you know many Germans? Where is the evidence for your assertion?

Germans may have a different concept of how they wish Europe to function from yourself but they are more than capable of distinguishing their own State and its interests from that of Europe as a whole - and the Germans I have met and know are more than capable of recognising the interests of other Europeans.

21 July 2011 at 10:21  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As in 1939.

21 July 2011 at 10:24  
Anonymous carl jacobs said...


I call that economic. you see it as political. Is there really such a difference between the two perspectives?

The relationship of the North to slavery was not fundamentally economic. Lincoln was not attempting to shape economic policy by preventing slavery in the territories. He was attempting to solve the unresolved political issue of the 1789 - what to do about the Institution of slavery. This issue has consumed the Republic since its inception. His solution - "Refuse to let it expand" - meant that slave state representation would stagnate.

Now, you are correct that economics issues are deeply entangled. The border slave states were starting to discuss manumission. Free settlers would not settle in slave territories, and border states were beginning to worry about the impact of slavery on their long term development. Historically, former slave states had a tendency to become very abolitionist.

This was the vice in which the Deep South found itself. Border states where going to allow plenty of time for slave owners to realize the value of their slaves buying 'selling them down the river.' The Federal Gov't was not going to allow the westward expansion of slavery. This meant a greater and greater concentration of slaves in a part of the country that was politically declining. It was the fear of being walled in with the slaves by an unsympathetic free-state population and the specter of race war that undergirded secession.

But you are correct the War was not fought to destroy slavery. If Lincoln had called for 75,000 volunteers to suppress slavery, no one would have shown up. The destruction of slavery was an inevitable outcome of the war, but not its principle objective. The issue of the war was Union in both the North and South. Slavery simply provided the fuel that ignited the fight.

The point I'm making is that a 'United States' holds dangers when the interests of different parts clash and this applies to any furthering of a United States of Europe. Is there a right to leave?

I must confess I do not see how there can be a United States of Europe. There is no common language. There is no common history. There is no common national heritage. All the preconditions that made the USA possible do not exist in Europe. We say in American the before the Civil War the "United States are" and after the Civil war "The United States is." It was that conflict that made us one nation and not a collection of states. Where in Europe is the primary allegiance of any citizen to the abstract entity that is Europe? They are still first Germans, or Frenchmen, or Italians. This is fatal to the concept of Union.

The right to leave is really a function of the willingness of one side to effect departure as opposed to the willingness of the other side to prevent it. I cannot see the hedonistic European population bestirring itself from its couch and its latest sexual exploit with whomever to fight to enforce Union. A nation can probably leave any time it wants.


21 July 2011 at 14:18  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There is no European demos.

I am an American first and Texan second.

21 July 2011 at 14:54  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

‘The Euro Zone’s financial and economic problems cannot, in my view, be resolved unless the Euro splits into 2 currencies – a hard currency for Germanic Northern Europe and a soft currency for the less competitive Southern economies. The unresolved question in this scenario is as to which way France would jump – certainly its economy would fare much better if it stayed with Southern Europe
The crucial political question is as to whether or not, albeit confidentially, the EU or Germany itself is now working urgently on such a “plan B”, or are burying their heads in political sands. Clearly the break-up of the Euro would represent a major disaster for the “Europe Project” and potentially unleash effective opposition to its whole ill-conceived architecture. The only financial alternative would be the issuing of Pan EU backed Bonds to finance the vulnerable economies, with the option for investors to switch out of the “PIIGS” Bond issues at a discount; but I doubt Germany would accept this as it would imply on going German underwriting of their economies’ borrowing. Moreover, it would not solve the fundamental economic issue that they will not recover unless their competitiveness is registered.

‘On the economic and currency fronts the issues are blindingly obvious, as warned by those of us opposed to the “Euro Project” at its outset, a currency cannot be shared by highly efficient and competitive economies such as Germany and the less competitive, higher inflation economies of Southern Europe, without there being major transfer payments from the competitive to the less competitive.

‘But while such major transfer payments would enable the weaker economies to stay afloat, they would have the invidious effect of locking weaker economies into poor economic performance and dependency. Even if Germany were willing to finance such major transfer payments – which after their experience with East Germany, they are clearly not willing to contemplate – they would be an unsatisfactory solution. It is clear that what these economies need is restored competitiveness via a major currency depreciation – albeit with the price that an inherently weak currency going forward will require appropriately, higher interest rates.

‘The problems of Italy and Spain are, however, different. While German unit costs have risen only 5% over the last decade, those of Italy have risen by 31% and those of Spain by 27% - their economies have thus become uncompetitive and stagnant. Italy has a relatively smaller budget deficit of 4.5% of GDP, but a large debt of 129% of GDP with major refinancing needs over the coming months. Spain has an unemployment rate of 21% and similar problems to those of Ireland - low Euro interest rates triggered a massive property boom leaving 1.5m unsold properties and major banking losses, which the Spanish State will have to pick up, at least, in part. Spain’s total debt load is 300% of GDP. Belt tightening programmes for both economies to price them back into competitiveness would require a further cut in living standards in Spain of some 13% and in Italy of some 19% - This is not politically realistic [as it would lead to civil strife].

Lord Flight (edited version)

22 July 2011 at 09:36  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And the Lord said – “Bring back My glory – Bring back My glory that your nation may once more walk in the glory of its destiny – and the Church may show forth My glory” – And the Lord showed me huge a green flourishing green tree that was planted in the European mainland – its huge trunk seemed to be planted in Brussels and the foliage had grown so dense that the trees branches and foliage had grown over the English channel and covered Britain in a great dark shadow and thousands of smaller offshoots and branches had taken deep root in Great Britain – and I saw the roots tangled and grown into London and then through the British Isles up all the way to Scotland.

The Lord said – “These are the deep roots of secularism and humanism that have taken deep root in this nation – these are the roots that are eroding this nation’s faith! – And I saw thousands upon thousands of people bowing in obedience to this tree and the roots were tightly twisted around their ankles – but they seemed totally unaware of this – that they were bound – and so they rejected the faith of their fathers – and I saw a great scoffing and a great decline in the traditions and the foundations of the past – and this mass of people was divided into two camps – the first huge mass of people whose ankles were bound by the gnarling roots of the green tree from Europe were younger and seemed more modern in their approach – and I saw written over their head – ‘UNBELIEF’ – ‘CYNICISM’ – ‘HUMANISM’ – and the foliage and green leaves seemed to shadow their heads – and I sensed that they were being attacked at a cerebral level.

But the second group seemed to be those whose roots and foundations were from the established traditional denominations of Britain – yet they were just as affected as this first group – but I saw written over their head – ‘PRIDE’ – ‘SKEPTICISM’ – ‘CLOSED MINDEDNESS’ and I sensed that the roots around their ankles had bound them in a different manner – that even if they heard the call of the Spirit in these days that the spiritual forces had them so bound that they could not move with the tide and the times of God – and I saw the green foliage literally cover and shadow their foreheads and eyes and I saw the word blinding.

And I said to the Lord, “Father – what does this mean?” And He said – “The spirits that led Europe into post Christian decline – have invaded Great Britain over these past decades – and have infiltrated and overshadowed the nation with the same humanism and paganism and secularism – and yet Britain is still so blinded by her roots and her foundations that she is still declaring herself a Christian nation” – but the Lord says – “That she has been shackled by the enemy.” And I said “Lord what can break the shackles?”

And the Lord spoke and said “The prayers and fervent supplications of my saints in Great Britain – the repentance for the sins of commission and omission on behalf of the governments of Great Britain – on behalf of the people of Great Britain.” Then I asked the Lord about the Church – and He showed me thousands of people all belonging to different denominations with divisions and literally multitudes of OPINION – and somehow it seemed that the people’s opinion was all more important in their eyes than Gods opinion and I heard Him say: “Until their opinions become My opinion the Church will continue to be divided among itself and be weak and underfed and lack the true POWER of GOD – Oh yes,” says the lord – “There are many meetings – there are many committees – there are many opinions –

22 July 2011 at 13:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

opinions – but it is not the opinion and the thoughts of men’s hearts that will change the destiny of Great Britain – but the opinion and the thoughts and intents of the word of the Living God – Humble yourselves – Humble yourselves and put aside your opinions and press into me the Living God for a living Word” – And the Lord said – “A humble and penitent heart I will not despise” – and I saw the words written – ‘DIVISIONS AND FACTIONS’.

Then as people dropped to their knees all over Britain from every walk of life and denomination – the lion started to change – and He grew strong and sleek and his roar grew stronger. And I saw written in the spirit – “Create in me a clean heart O God – and renew a right spirit within me”. And as the people started to seek the face of the Lord I saw the word ‘COURAGE’ – and I knew that in the spirit realm that Great Britain had been endowed from the beginning of time with the mantle ‘COURAGE’ – and the Lord said ‘LIONHEART’

22 July 2011 at 13:07  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous ...

Many feel the concerns you have shared about the decline of Christian beliefs and the weakening of Christ's Church.

How can the Body of Christ be freed from it's divisions? Ecumenicalism means overcoming our differences whist also staying true to our convictions. It means accepting what we agree on and striving to resolve our disagreements. Is this possible? For God, no. For man?

If He wills it, who can stop it? Some will try to defeat God but, like Judas, they will prove incapable of stopping God's plan. Whose side will we be on? Will we be be part of the baying crowd or true disciples of Christ?

23 July 2011 at 01:59  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Worker

As Francis A. Schaeffer said:


25 July 2011 at 08:27  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Smith Wigglesworth (1859-1947), who is known as the apostle of faith, moved in mighty signs and wonders and even raised people from the dead!

Shortly before he passed into glory he prophesied, “During the next few decades there will be two distinct moves of the Holy Spirit across the church in Great Britain. The first move will affect every church that is open to receive it, and will be characterised by the restoration of the baptism and gifts of the Holy Spirit.

The second move of the Holy Spirit will result in people leaving historic churches and planting new churches. In the duration of each of these moves, the people who are involved will say, ‘This is a great revival.’ But the Lord says, ‘No, neither is this the great revival but both are steps towards it.’

When the new church phase is on the wane, there will be evidence in the churches of something that has not been seen before: a coming together of those with an emphasis on the word and those with an emphasis on the Spirit.

When the word and the Spirit come together, there will be the biggest move of the Holy Spirit that the nations, and indeed, the world have ever seen. It will mark the beginning of a revival that will eclipse anything that has been witnessed within these shores, even the Wesleyan and Welsh revivals of former years.

The outpouring of God’s Spirit will flow over from the United Kingdom to mainland Europe, and from there, will begin a missionary move to the ends of the earth.”

27 July 2011 at 09:10  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Word Of The Lord April 2010
Phyllis Ford

It is important that you must hear clearly what I am saying…and what I am doing right now. Because there are snares and traps that the enemy is laying before you, and you must be able to see and maneuver around them. So be very aware of what is going on around you. But don’t let what the enemy is doing be your focus---don’t allow the fear that is trying to grip the minds of people to surround you. But walk in the power of my grace; allow me to speak to your heart the peace of my word.

The government will continue to be shaken, and the more she is shaken the more uncovering will come to light. There is some key information that will be found out that was a part of back room deals that have occurred, and as a result the secrets of government leadership will be uncovered. There are those who are standing in the gap, and my work will continue to move forward. There will be change and divine turnaround before the dust clearly settles.

The European nations will gather and discuss the crisis and uncertainty of their financial directives. They are looking to go in a new direction and although it will be discussed, the remedy that they are seeking won’t avert the trouble that is coming. Instability exists in too many areas where there was once financial strength. This nation is close to seeing serious problems that will affect the US dollar, as it is losing its strength.

For, even as the children of Israel came out from Egypt—you shall come out with a high hand and a testimony to the miracles I have done in this season, says the Lord.

2 Chronicles 16:9a KJV

For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to shew himself strong in the behalf of them whose heart is perfect toward him.

A Vision of Seeds:

I saw seeds being planted. (The Lord said they were seeds of doubt and discouragement –so that people would despair.) And the Lord said, “Some have reached the final breaking point where what is going on in the land has caused them to react----if they are not careful these seeds will give way to a great unrest in the land during this season. This must be a time when faith in me and cooler heads must prevail. The work of my kingdom will be established. Anger and petty prejudices are emotions that are not the answer. Truly, these feelings can lead down a dangerous pathway to violence. So, don’t allow discouragement to set in, for I am coming in the midst of your situation—I am coming to bring resolve, resolution, and yes, even closure to situations that have lingered on too long with no answers. Yes, I am bringing change, so that you may grow, move on, and accomplish much.”

Proverbs 14:12 KJV
There is a way which seems right unto a man, but the end there of are the ways of death.

Intercessors, watchman, pray for the region of Japan---the Lord said that His eyes were upon it.

28 July 2011 at 08:42  

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