Wednesday, July 13, 2011

Sorry, but Trinity Mirror Group are the most corrupt of the lot


As all three party leaders appear to have reached consensus on barring Rupert Murdoch’s News International from a takeover of BSkyB, it is worth probing the scapegoat thesis a little further. His Grace has been accused of being ‘gloriously off message’ with this, but facts are facts.

Yesterday, after a little digging around, His Grace agreed with Alastair Campbell that, when it came to peddling illicitly-acquired information, the Mail Group was far worse than News International. But, being no expert on which media baron owns what titles, His Grace was interested to learn that the Daily Mirror, Sunday Mirror and (Sunday) People are all stabled together under the Trinity Mirror Group, and that the 2006 table of crimes and misdemeanours establishes beyond doubt that Trinity Mirror are actually more corrupt than either News International or the Mail Group. Adding up the total number of incidents of illegally-acquired data by journalists, we arrive at:

Trinity Mirror: 1663 incidents by 139 journalists
Mail Group: 1248 incidents by 95 journalists
News International: 182 incidents by 19 journalists
And Guido Fawkes alleges that the (in)famous Mirror award-winning story which revealed a love affair between TV presenter Ulrika Jonsson and England football manager Sven Goran Eriksson was the result of phone hacking, which raises the question of why Andy Coulson and Rebekah Brooks are being pilloried and persecuted when others are completely ignored.

The Mirror has (naturally) denied its journalists have ever hacked anyone. Responding to the allegation, a spokesman said: “Trinity Mirror's position is clear. Our journalists work within the criminal law and the PCC code of conduct."

This strikes His Grace as a little foolish, not to say a downright lie, because the Information Commissioner’s 2006 report ‘What price privacy now?’ detailed 681 incidents of dubious or criminal acts perpetrated by no fewer than 45 Daily Mirror journalists. According to Chris Bryant MP, these included ‘illegally obtaining driving licence details, illegal criminal records or vehicle registration searches, telephone reverse traces and mobile telephone conversions’. Their journalists manifestly do not all work within the criminal law and the PCC code of conduct.

So, while not excusing the illicit activities of a few News International journalists and possibly their editors, it is important to reflect calmly on the facts and introduce a little sense of proportion into the furore. If Rupert Murdoch and Rebekah Brooks are not considered by David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband to be a ‘fit and proper’ people to own and run BSkyB, why is Viscount Rothermere fit to own the Mail Group? Why is Paul Dacre fit to edit the Daily Mail? Why is Ian Gibson fit to be Chairman of Trinity Mirror? And why is the ‘violent and dishonest’ pornographer Richard Desmond deemed sufficiently ‘fit and proper’ to own the Express Group and Channel 5?

72 Comments:

Anonymous Dreadnaught said...

A plague on all their houses.

'Smithers - release the other hounds!'

13 July 2011 at 10:09  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

There is no proof that Murdoch is not a fit and proper person.

This is turning into a witchunt and an abuse of parliament.

13 July 2011 at 10:13  
Blogger Anoneumouse said...

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat

13 July 2011 at 10:23  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Small addition, but the Scottish titles Daily Record and Sunday Mail are also Mirror Group.

13 July 2011 at 10:38  
Blogger manwiddicombe said...

One has to assume that this statement

“Trinity Mirror's position is clear. Our journalists work within the criminal law and the PCC code of conduct."

being in the present tense is not a comment on past practices or behaviour, however little time has elapsed since the behaviours ceased.

13 July 2011 at 10:52  
Blogger The Gray Monk said...

One hopes this comes to the attention of the PM and his cronies - but I doubt it.

13 July 2011 at 10:57  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

According to Chris Bryant MP, these included ‘illegally obtaining driving licence details, illegal criminal records or vehicle registration searches, telephone reverse traces and mobile telephone conversions’.

In the grand scheme of things, is all that better or worse than voting ‘very strongly for the Iraq war’, ‘very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war’, ‘very strongly for allowing ministers to intervene in inquests’, ‘very strongly for introducing ID cards’ and ‘very strongly for more EU integration’? Just asking.

13 July 2011 at 10:57  
Anonymous MrJ said...

The dust rising from the stampede may conceal from some observers the two concerns:

Why are the cowboys or rustlers steering the herd with the shout "Get Murdoccio", and who are the owners or raiders of the ranch directing them?

Why was the Table ranking the offending newspapers (on page 9 of Mr Richard Thomas's report) left unattended?

There will be more dust stirred up before bedtime, and may be the old saw "Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat" will also be another modern instance of a means of escape.

Meantime, the dust cloud is some cover for Euro bailouts and other troubles at home and abroad.

13 July 2011 at 11:03  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How true, no one has mentioned how the faked Mirror torture photographs contributed to the 7/7 bombings.

13 July 2011 at 11:58  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace

In Ernst's humble opinion all this scandal proves is that the lot are a bunch of shysters, who would do anything for a 'scoop' within a dying industry. The Lord said when He returns would He find faith..He might have also included integrity and justice.

The reason all parties have jumped on murdoch is that his 'titles' are the ones to be 'feared' as having (or presumed) massive political sway with the populous.

Oh dalalee what a day yesterday was..G Brown sobbing 'Mea Culpa' and believing that IF he had pursued murdoch within his fantasy land of make believe, somehow we would not have viewed him as a paranoid, delusional psycopath and he would still be clinging to power as a re-elected PM. All yesterday sounded like was a big bully beaten up by an even bigger bully, by whatever means possible..Black, Kettle..Pathetic to the end!

Ex AC Andy Hayman doing a fine impression of someone from the Sweeney series of the 70's.

Agree with MrJ (discernment par excellence), much worse is to follow, if that is at all possible.

E S Blofeld

ps

Looks like the financial crisis is being a tad 'overlooked' at present, what.

13 July 2011 at 12:06  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not to mention the appalling situation in the Horn of Africa

13 July 2011 at 12:11  
Blogger Elwin Daniels said...

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13 July 2011 at 12:31  
Blogger Elwin Daniels said...

Agree, just because Murdoch is a bounder and his tabloid newspapers vile it does not follow that there is no error in the other direction. And the politicians have all been in bed with them when it suited them.

I heard Gordon Brown whimpering on the radio yesterday about the public revelation 6 years ago that his son has cystic fibrosis. That should not have happened, (assuming the innumerate Scottish psychopath's account of the event is true, which the Sun disputes) but setting it against what he did to our economy, pensions, gold reserves, national security and civil liberties it seems rather insignificant. One also wonders why he didn't make a fuss before now.

.....and still the unholy alliance between the BBC and the Guardian escapes critical comment.......

smokescreens and scapegoats.

13 July 2011 at 12:35  
Anonymous Bemused said...

It was obviously an anti right lynch mob from the outset. You would have had to be blind not to realise this

13 July 2011 at 13:24  
Anonymous Office of Inspector General said...

Well done Your Grace...

Ask Mr Clegg to get me the DPP, NOW

13 July 2011 at 13:25  
Blogger Richard Brown said...

Yes, but.....

No other organisation has specifically targeted government echelons in quite the same way that the Murdoch organisation have. The Mail and the Mirror have resorted to illegalities to sell their newspapers. Murdoch did it to influence government. That's one good reason that they should get what's coming to them.

13 July 2011 at 14:17  
Blogger Richard Brown said...

And.....

Most of the illegal News Corp activity appears to have been performed by people not on the permanent payroll, and thus not qualifying for these statistics.

Your Grace, you should read a book called 'How to lie with Statistics' (Darrell Huff, 1954).

13 July 2011 at 14:26  
Anonymous Office of Inspector General said...

The Inspector has asked me to point out that we restrict the freedoms of the press at our peril, and that any action taken should be with this in mind. However, he is interested in consensus of opinion and would like this blog to continue...

13 July 2011 at 14:40  
Anonymous Office of Inspector General said...

The Inspector further points out that we should be grateful that News International is not in the hands of a 'Johnny Foreigner' as opposed to the personage of Mr Murdoch.

13 July 2011 at 15:20  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Anoneumouse said...

'Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat'

Outstanding.

Since when have Englishmen condemned a man before proving the case and convicting him?

If this principle falls - the rule of law is weakened. It becomes in danger of being arbitrary, unjust and oppressive.

Is this what Englishmen fought for at Runnymede?

Tell me is that what Article 29 of Magna Carta means?:

NO Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned, or be disseised of his Freehold, or Liberties, or free Customs, or be outlawed, or exiled, or any other wise destroyed; nor will We not pass upon him, nor condemn him, but by lawful judgment of his Peers, or by the Law of the land. We will sell to no man, we will not deny or defer to any man either Justice or Right.

13 July 2011 at 15:43  
Anonymous Office of Inspector General said...

The Inspector General is not available for comment, but I'm sure he would like me to point out to the good fellow D. Singh that there was no fighting at Runneymede, but a certain amount of arm twisting instead...

13 July 2011 at 16:35  
Blogger AncientBriton said...

>>And why is the ‘violent and dishonest’ pornographer Richard Desmond deemed sufficiently ‘fit and proper’ to own the Express Group and Channel 5?<<

I haven't noticed party leaders sucking up to Richard Desmond for political favours. People can make a judgement about what to buy or what to watch which is totally different to interfering with politics to the extent that leaders were constantly looking over their shoulders.

13 July 2011 at 16:38  
Blogger Pam said...

To quote the Guardian' leader today:

"The kowtowing of the political class to the Murdochs has been dismal, but it is familiar enough. Any suspicion that the police were similarly deferential would take things to another and more disturbing level, undermining every assumption about the integrity of public authority. The MPs who yesterday (...) heard a former head of counter-terrorism describe NEws International as a "major global organisation with access to the best legal advice, [which was] ... deliberately trying to thwart a criminal investigation.'

Concerns about News International go way beyond its journalistic ethics.

13 July 2011 at 17:11  
Anonymous Jack Flash said...

It looks like a story that will run and run, then run and run, could be a potential Gold in the marathon in 2012.
But I bet that we still won't be a party to the whole truth and nothing but the truth.


Jack.

13 July 2011 at 17:46  
Anonymous Tony B said...

Where are the "unholy alliance " of Bbc and Guardian on the list his grace published? Are we to conclude that the unholy do not commit crimes in search of a story and the (presumably) holy right wind press do?

13 July 2011 at 17:46  
Anonymous tony b said...

Wing. Big fingers small phone

13 July 2011 at 17:48  
Blogger len said...

The clarion call by those who are 'outraged' by the hacking /blagging allegations of News International seem to be for Murdoch to drop his bid for BSkyB.
Ulterior motives?.You bet!.
Why indeed are any of the other Media Barons more fit and proper?

13 July 2011 at 17:53  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

You could not make it up, could you.

The Oaf of Kirkcaldy has finally decided to show up and blubber on about himself (obviously he only gives a hoot for himself, couldn't be there speaking for anyone or thing else, could he?).

He is harder to get rid of than Count Dracula...He has offered to appear before committee's etc..He refuses to leave the stage.

Where's the fella with the long hook when you need him.

It was EVERYBODY's fault he says in the commons but HIS..Hilarious! He is refusing to stop talking.

BEAST BEGONE.

Ernst Blofeld

13 July 2011 at 18:00  
Blogger Tristan Osborne said...

Your stats may be a bit dated am afraid

As of Monday the estimated number of 'hacks' was 4,000 and thats according to mainstream media including Times.

Fair point though that allegations are widespread and the finally and belated announcement by Cameron today was welcome.

13 July 2011 at 18:06  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

I knew it!

Have'nt bought a paper for twenty years, because none of them were fit to wipe your arse on.

You don't get scandle like this with Andrex.

13 July 2011 at 18:07  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

BITB said 13 July 2011 18:07

OUTSTANDING, my boy.hehehe

Ernsty

13 July 2011 at 18:24  
Anonymous MrJ said...

"best legal advice" (17:11) may be part of the skill-mix used in web-weaving to gratify persons with Moriarty-like appetites, but sometimes at the risk of a grand unravelling if a thread or two happen to snag on a tack (Conrad Black, Robert Maxwell, Enron are instances of the sort of thing).

Some web-weavers have capacity, energy and resilience enough to repair damage before the unravelling becomes irretrievable, unless what was thought "best advice" turns out to have been otherwise. If any do not know yet how it will be for Murdocchio and Becky, there may not be long to wait.

The number of others already seen to have been ensnared is not a complete predictor.

But for the time being, the question for UK politics is: how long will Mr Cameron be able to stay in the saddle?

13 July 2011 at 18:34  
Anonymous Dreadnaught said...

Bitb

Still Don't get it do you? may I suggest you refer to the post of the AncientBriton who clearly does.

This is a golden opportunity for Parliament to free its self from unwelcome interference and arm twisting from media barons. It is a time for politicians to take stock of just what the British Public will not let pass. Wait until someone brings to light how little CT News International have paid and see why it is more than bribery at stake here.

Newspapers have less influence day by day - it is blogosphere where real democratic principles are exercised.

The 'Arab Spring' was borne on Facebook and Twitter may be the Brits are waking up to what collective power they have. Murdoch and his gang are a busted flush - we should be now looking at who is out to control cyber-news sites and blogs for the next move from monopolistic manipulator.

13 July 2011 at 19:00  
Anonymous Atlas shrugged said...

Jack Flash said...

But I bet that we still won't be a party to the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Jack.

13 July 2011 17:46

Of that, you can be 100% assured.

Finding out the truth of a particular matter needs detective work.

We can now take for granted, that to a greater or lesser extent, we are being lied to by our media; as you now do.

Like any good detective, we must quickly formulate a most likely theory. If this theory involves more then one person, this is known as a conspiracy theory.

The detective first needs to know who did the deed, this is often obvious because motive, means, and opportunity usually gives the game away fairly early in the investigation.

His next job is to gather together as much evidence as he can, which will hopefully stand up in a court of law, and lead to a conviction. In some cases finding compelling evidence, is a whole new ball-game.

However when a member of the public is trying to work out the truth of a certain important situation, he would be most unwise wasting his time trying to gather together substantive evidence for a court case that will never happen, against people who are many levels above the law. The important matter may indeed be the law itself, or the people who REALLY make them.

An individual should act to protect their interests as soon as they smell a single rat, not wait until their home has been over run by thousands of them.

When making these type of calculations it is vital to remember the following.

Assume the culprit is capable of the most horrific of crimes, and only has to have a motive that makes sense to themselves.

That the guilty, are likely habitual criminals, and therefore well practiced, and convincing liars.

If a crime takes more then a few brain cells to solve, you can assume that the criminal had a sound reason to believe that they would get completely away with it, otherwise they would not have done it.

That our criminal justice system, is just what it says on the tin. It is a system that deliverers as much justice as possible to criminals, and therefore as little as it can get away with to the common law abiding public, or of course, the completely innocent.

Complicated criminal conspiracies, especially those involving incalculable amounts of money, are ALL ultimately committed by the same small groups of incredibly rich and powerful people.

Do not whatever you do, fall for the trap of thinking that the criminal thinks like we do, because they don't. This is why they are very rich, well connected, vastly illuminated criminals, and we are all proverbial mushrooms.

Keep in the dark, and fed BS.

To understand the criminal mind, we must try to get inside their heads, as they have long since been inside ours. Which bring us neatly back on topic.

IMO it matters not much who, or what owns any particular part of our mass media, because who or what ultimately controls it all, is an infinitely more important issue. Indeed this question, fairly well over-rides virtually all others.

13 July 2011 at 19:29  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"Since when have Englishmen condemned a man before proving the case and convicting him?"

Ha. True Englishmen, of which I am not apparently one, are happy to deport fellow citizens purely based on their religious beliefs. Isn't that much, much worse?

13 July 2011 at 19:59  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Dreadnaught believes I do not get it, the press is the fourth estate and most powerful, of Solomon, so says my brewers dictionary of phrase and fable.

As for Julias Evola, of who I cannot say I am an avid fan, but prefer to read over a newspaper, he claims the press will be the means by which freemasonry will subvert the west.

What I do not get dreadnaught, is why you still buy the papers.

13 July 2011 at 20:29  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace states on twitter to
@TomHarrisMP


"You're such a consistent breath of fresh air. If you were Labour leader, His Grace might just be persuaded to defect ;o) "

As he has brazenly defended G Brown's pathetic attendance record at HOC whilst twittering today (Brown needed a 'grand stage/cause before he would come back and earn his crust at Westminster), Ernst hopes he never gets that desperate for friends in the blogosphere.

Once a Liebor, always a Liebor, it's in their DNA.

Fooled Ernst once, never again!

E S Blofeld

13 July 2011 at 20:51  
Anonymous not a machine said...

having listend to the clunker and felt as sick as I useually do when he gushes tripe , your graces article reminded me of earlier versions of this dark battle , nice bit of information though.

I fail to see how he can accuse others of being criminal , when he appears to have stolen so much future taxation.

OBR report hardley featured , he already appears to have got one fact he used wrong on his childs medical records .Hard to imagine someone who was making preparations to turn us fully EU socialist via bankruptcy , could even utter half the words he did today . Liberty of the people , when he was selling us all down the sewer!

This a relgio political blogg , I am sure it must be striking many that the parrells between the loss of our christian national soul and what dark weapons were being perpetually pumped ,without question and indeed political anti christian idealogical force , did we really fall for what we are now considering , as we survey some of the now visible damage of such a mass delusion.

Dumbed down for the purposes of euro socialism , is a tragedgy our great and good should ponder , whilst this side show on press wrongdoings is being used as a fig leaf .

13 July 2011 at 20:59  
Anonymous Office of Inspector General said...

Your Grace

It is the Inspector's opinion that an
anouncement of a referundum on our continued 'membership' of that European organisation which is bleeding us white will give David enough cover to allow the Murdochs to obtain BSkyB in toto...

13 July 2011 at 21:27  
Anonymous Dreadnaught said...

Nnnn-ope - Even after re-reading some of BitB's previous and incomprehensible posts for a clue to his logic, I'm left thinking that dear old bonehead will never get it: but I have to admire his consistency.

13 July 2011 at 22:07  
Anonymous Pastor Jim Bucker III said...

Your Grace

You correctly noted that this is "fiddling whilst Rome burns" a few days ago. We are about to watch either the demise of the Eurozone/EU or the full rise of a totalitarian EU, the first phase of the Anti Christ, re the latest crisis of the Euro.

On the other side of the globe the US is struggling with the issue of her debt levels, with the threat that she will be also unable to pay her bills.

If these 2 events happen at once, we shall indeed enter a "new world order" of darkness and tyranny, where the man of lawlessness attempts to gain control of this earth.

We live in frightful times, yet all we get is Gordon Brown acting as if he were the brave, lone voice against the 'evil' NI (when he was actually sucking up to them, whilst in office)

as Ernsty and Tiddles said

"The Oaf of Kirkcaldy has finally decided to show up and blubber on about himself (obviously he only gives a hoot for himself, couldn't be there speaking for anyone or thing else, could he?).

He is harder to get rid of than Count Dracula...He has offered to appear before committee's etc..He refuses to leave the stage.

Where's the fella with the long hook when you need him.

It was EVERYBODY's fault he says in the commons but HIS..Hilarious! He is refusing to stop talking.

BEAST BEGONE."

AMEN TO THAT !

And also as Bred in the Bone said :

"Have'nt bought a paper for twenty years, because none of them were fit to wipe your arse on".

[Although I would say you would wipe more on than off if you used them as bog roll].

Thankfully, even now, Jesus Christ is in charge and all these concerns come under his authority.But the path ahead is dangerous and all born again believers must pray that God shows his mercy and not his wrath in the coming months and years.

13 July 2011 at 22:43  
Anonymous Office of Inspector General said...

Your Grace

Padre is right. The nation needs to place it's trust in Christianity. The Nordic spirit lives on... "Onward Christian Soldiers, marching as to war"

13 July 2011 at 23:04  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Pastor Jim "...in the coming months and years." That last paragraph can be acknowledged as a fact, however much denied, opposed, or neglected.

In those words transmitted from the early centuries of the Christian Era, and inserted in the Latin Mass: Kyrie eleison... sung by many and heard by many more, including those who make no claim about "born again".

Recommended for the attention of the OIG: "Saint Patrick's Breastplate" (of the version and setting in the English Hymnal, no 212), and Bunyan's "Who would true Valour see".

13 July 2011 at 23:39  
Anonymous Toby the Jug said...

Pastor Jim Bucker III said...

"We are about to watch either the demise of the Eurozone/EU or the full rise of a totalitarian EU, the first phase of the Anti Christ, re the latest crisis of the Euro."

You've been watching the Omen too much!

" ... we shall indeed enter a "new world order" of darkness and tyranny, where the man of lawlessness attempts to gain control of this earth."

Ooooo scary! He he here on earth already then?

It's a scandal concerning newspapers for Heaven's sake and an economic mess with currency. Do keep your feet on the ground and stop reading all that born again evangelical nonsense.

14 July 2011 at 00:17  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Wee Jobbie the Tug whined

"Pastor Jim Bucker III said...

"We are about to watch either the demise of the Eurozone/EU or the full rise of a totalitarian EU, the first phase of the Anti Christ, re the latest crisis of the Euro."

You've been watching the Omen too much! (Roman Catholic drivel of a movie or are you blaming evangelicals for that pap?)

"Ooooo scary! He he here on earth already then?" He is a well known British PM who has recently converted to Paganised Christianity and cavorts the world stage as a peace envoy to the middle east. He awaits his time and mission.

Try to keep up Big Ears. There's a fine papist.

Ernst

ps

If the pope is handing out knighthoods to any old duffers, both you and last dude the do-dooh such receive one for efforts to irritate those who think your opinions are not worth a continental.

14 July 2011 at 01:08  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace

Ernst would love to take the moral high ground on this subject via your post but he cannot get up there for the sanctimonious political scum that rests and shouts from upon the top of it. Or am I being too critical?

E S Blofeld

14 July 2011 at 01:22  
Blogger JimSmiling333 said...

Not too familiar with British press. But I get the notion that it is the conservative press barons who are mobbed by liberal (or moderate) politicians and media. The fate of Conrad Black may await Murdoch.

14 July 2011 at 01:28  
Anonymous not a machine said...

curious got pinged again on fawkes and browser tizz.

mmm I wonder if blogging will get scooped into into trial by sewer , I think Michael White may have had a point on an earlier comment that newspapers could be in trouble.

To re quote from one commons speaker "its rather like the arsonist giving advice on fires"

I have never really got on with the view , that we should all consume media on electronic devices , if you consider what subliminly happens , some server records what you have read or viewed and then feeds it back to the hidden people in omi org ,wrings trend interest out and offers it to various groups , who want to know trends , and then upon knowing trend see what marketing oppertunites they can try you on.

A news paper on the other hand has to have adverts and offers based on no personalised knowledge .

If anyone can grasp the longterm consequences of personalised data and suggestive media , as being sort of living in engineered comfy cyber life for you .

thats the trouble we are all ready living in it , and yet no calls come from any side about , potential abuse or lack of rational thought becoming institutionalise , perhaps the real media barons we should be scared of are those that dont want certain reports ,as they cant sell much with them .

This brave new world , has some worrying thoughts for me , they worship convergence , but cannot tell me if i am what they think I am , or what I think I am ,it often feels some sort of anti mental work out movement , where you are comfortable but only by becoming less aware of your real surroundings.

Is it intrusion into your proper prvate life ,if persoanlised adds are sent to you based on what has been gleened by your browsing ?

14 July 2011 at 01:43  
Anonymous Voyager said...

Murdoch should never have owned Sky. It was Margaret Thatcher that did him this favour. He was allowed to acquire BSB in 1990 - British Satellite Broadcasting s a Non-EU national and the Licence was issued in Britain for a European footprint on Astra in a dubious deal whereby Sky was NOT regulated by IBA following the sham over The Times in 1981 with so-called "independent" directors like Rees-Mogg

Thatcher made Murdoch

14 July 2011 at 05:57  
Anonymous Homo Hamed said...

Trinity Mirror is a left wing organisation - that is why they are getting a pass. They do Labours bidding, as in fact did News International for the past 14 years of Labour government.

The sight of that ugly son of an illegal immigrant, Miliband, gurning and spouting oily crap makes me feel sick.

14 July 2011 at 07:21  
Blogger Nowhere man said...

Someone should produce a compilation of Milibands expressions during this farce.

He is a disingenuous, mendacious creep.

A fitting leader, in fact, for the Labour Party.

14 July 2011 at 07:24  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"The sight of that ugly son of an illegal immigrant, Miliband"

How lovely.

14 July 2011 at 08:01  
Anonymous MrJ said...

Joining up some of the dots which appeared earlier this fine morning: "...moral high ground..." (ESB 1:22); "...The fate of Conrad Black..." ( JimS. 1:28); "Thatcher made Murdoch" (Voyager 5:57).

Homo Hamed (7:21)_ Good as Mr Miliband may be at "...gurning and spouting..." : surely Mr G.Brown is far more nauseating, and Mr A. ("Tony") Blair almost as bad as that -- both educated in Scotland as it happens.

14 July 2011 at 08:16  
Anonymous Homo Hamed said...

Yes, add together the infringements by Labour supporting Mirror Group and News Intl.and you see where the poison and criminality in the media comes from - the Left.

Miliband, and now Gordon "Sociopath" Brown really are living in glass houses entirely of their own making.

This will all come back to bite them on their lardy asses.

Played right, this will sound the Lefts death knell in our country.

14 July 2011 at 09:58  
Anonymous Homo Hamed said...

DanJ0 said...
"The sight of that ugly son of an illegal immigrant, Miliband"

How lovely."

Not lovely DanJ0 - but factually correct.

14 July 2011 at 10:00  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"Not lovely DanJ0 - but factually correct."

It's interesting, isn't it, how things can be portrayed and for what reason? They'd have applied for sanctuary as refugees in our time. Would you rather them to have ended up in Auschwitz?

14 July 2011 at 10:30  
Anonymous Toby the Jug said...

E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles
14th July @ 1:08

Believes Tony Blair is the long prophesied anti-christ!!! Now I'm rolling about laughting and need to be careful in case I break my handle.

If this is the best Satan has to offer, well ...

Unbelievable.

You really should go to bed earlier and get a grip on your imagination.

14 July 2011 at 12:25  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

My wee jobbie smarted 14 July 2011 12:25 whilst tugging

Believes Tony Blair is the long prophesied anti-christ!!! Now I'm rolling about laughting and need to be careful in case I break my handle. (who are you expecting..Oliver Cromwell..do be careful whilst tugging so violently on that handle of your's)
If this is the best Satan has to offer, well ...(You appear to be forgetting that paganised system of yours but hey, people will almost do anything for money, will they not. Bit like buying and selling indulgences, a simple wafer offered daily in various divers places in the millions, is the 'actual Body of Christ', re-sacrificed 'in perpetua' etc etc..who would be foolish enough to believe such twaddle..Oh dear, quite a lot actually. UNBELIEVEABLE INDEED.

Strange times we live in that will only get stranger.

E S Blofeld

14 July 2011 at 12:59  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

My Wee Jobbie

PS

However I loved your brilliant article in the DT, if ever so slightly myopic (not bothered whether you are Presbyterian or RC etc, hypocrisy is hypocrisy).

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100096849/gordon-browns-marvellous-display-of-classic-presbyterian-hypocrisy/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter#dsq-content

Ernsty, my fine wee jobbie of a toadmeister

14 July 2011 at 14:17  
Anonymous Toby the Jug said...

'Blow' your own trumpet whilst 'stroking' tiddles

Yes but Tony Blair as the anti-christ!!!

Catholicism is based on 2000 years of developed theology. The fantasy of 'born againers' is imagination run wild.

Tony Blair - lmao

14 July 2011 at 16:35  
Anonymous Homo Hamed said...

DanJ0

You really do waste a lot of peoples time.

Get out of your student bar mentality and join the real world.

14 July 2011 at 16:48  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Interesting comment Dreadnaught.

Those who cannot make sence of my comments are usually the ones most troubled by them.

That is why you make a fuss and retort, why I don't give a damn.

14 July 2011 at 16:53  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

My Wee Jobbie blasted 14 July 2011 16:35

"Yes but Tony Blair as the anti-christ!!! "

Response;- Yes but Romish Popes in place of Jesus Christ !!!

False Religion is based on several thousand years of developed theology (they have their gods, actions and powers). The fantasy of 'Roman Catholicism' is that it has been given some divine mission. IT HAS NOT and its history and actions show this to be absurd!

The only piece of the Bible you cling to is
Matthew 16:19
And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.'

as if this is your licence to supply a service to His people on His behalf. LMCOML (Laughed my cat off my lap)

The RCC neither knows the Will of God and His revelations about Himself nor obey His commandments or it would not have acted as it has and would stop forthwith.

I think your system should be referred to the Competition Commission, to see if it is a 'Fit and Proper' institution, to examine if it should be able to make the claims it does for itself, despite the contrary evidence.

In Nomine..unlike yourselves!

Ernst.

ps

Don't give up the day job of reviewing films...stick to what you are good at, religion ain't one of them.

14 July 2011 at 17:14  
Blogger Bred in the bone said...

Dreadnaught at 13 July 2011 19:00

Try going back to your original comment, I do get it.

You propose Parlaiment will free itself of the Media control.

I propose we have a den of theives investigating a hive of hackers.

I point out the Media are the fourth estate, that would imply another three estates involved in the matter.

I even refer to Evola, who by the way connected the Ghibelline, Guelph divisions in freemasonry long ago.

Exactly what is it I am not to getting?

14 July 2011 at 17:31  
Blogger len said...

The foundations of Catholicism are so shaky that a gentle breeze will rock them,let alone a hard push.
Anti - Christ doesn`t necessarily mean some sort of horned devil prancing around with a pitchfork it can mean instead of Christ in which the Pope fits the bill exactly. The Pope even has the audacity to call himself the bridge between this World and the next.There is only one mediator(bridge) between man and God ....Jesus Christ Himself!.
Islam has 'another Christ' not the Biblical one so this Islamic Christ is also anti-instead of.
Many of the Protestant orders seem to have a Christ of their own devising , getting to know the real Christ one has to dig through layers and levels of man made religions rather like stripping the skins off an onion until one arrives at the truth.Many stop at one level assuming 'this is it'and search no further.
Spurgeon described Catholicism as a 'load of rubbish dumped on the truth'but we could extend this further to include most religions.

14 July 2011 at 17:46  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Homo Hamed: "You really do waste a lot of peoples time. Get out of your student bar mentality and join the real world."

Again: Would you rather them to have ended up in Auschwitz?

14 July 2011 at 19:23  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len

You and your 'pastors' would do well to apply your energies to considering the spirit of New Age religion - inspired by Buddhism and Hindism, with drug induced shamanism thrown in too. This virus is steadily infecting the mindsets of young people.

It seems to me disorder and chaos is the spirit of the anti-Christ with peace and harmony God's spirit. When faced with emerging chaos, history demonstrates elites tend to react with repression to restore order. And, yes, I accept this applies to Church history too.

Empires rise and fall - at the end of the day God's Will prevails. That's all we can get from Revelation. It's not a manual for predicting the future and, indeed, was nearly not included as canonical text in case it was misused.

Reading the 'signs of the times' is something I'd sooner entrust to someone with, shall we say, slightly more balance.

14 July 2011 at 22:41  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len

Actually, rereading your post has made me appreciate just how distorted your understanding of Catholicism and, to some extent, Anglicanism. I'm not sure if this is wilful or just reflects ignorance.

The theology of Church as a human organisation is most certainly biblical. The Church represents the Body of Christ on earth until His return and carries authority bestowed by Christ. All else flows from this.

Debate and differences exist and always have, about the structure and governance of Christ's Church. You, on the otherhand, as I understand your posts, reject this in favour of independence of worship, a rejection of priestly authority and a rejection of sacraments and ritual in worship.

Deconstruct the fundamental theology rather than attacking it's expression.

15 July 2011 at 01:38  
Anonymous Oswin said...

Homo Hamed : 07:21 : not ugly exactly, but a bit like a puckered peanut that has been ever so slightly sucked, perhaps?

15 July 2011 at 03:34  
Anonymous Homo Hamed said...

Danj0.

They were not at that risk and left the mainland well before Hitlers rise.

You seem to think that the whole world can come here. Well they cannot.

Milibands father repaid this country by becoming a Marxist activist - a career adopted by Ed - working against the interests of its people.

The current state of the UK - overcrowded, multicultural/divided, broke, under threat from terrorism and lacking control over its borders,energy and national security is down to them and people like them.

They are not welcome. They are traitors to our country and its people.

Labour has the leader it deserves. He is the ugly face of Labour.

He is a handicap to their electoral chances. I can at least thank him for that.

And yes, he is far less intelligent than Cameron - as PMQ's shows us.

http://tgr.ph/oeYKN6

15 July 2011 at 11:10  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Homo Hamed: "They were not at that risk and left the mainland well before Hitlers rise."

Your sense of history is duff. They arrived here in the middle of 1940 just before the Belgian army surrendered to the Nazis and the country was occupied. Bear in mind this was 18 months or so after Kristallnacht, which was well known across Europe, so it must have been pretty obvious to European Jews what was happening.

You use the phrase 'illegal immigrant' as though the Miliband brothers' father and grandfather were simply hoping, in some relevant sense in the past, to claim UK benefits or use the NHS or look for a more affluent life. Instead, they were fleeing yet another Jewish pogrom in danger of their lives and would probably have ended up in Auschwitz had they not.

This was a year or so after Prague was seized. Prague, if you didn't know, had about 90,000 Jewish residents and perhaps 60,000 were murdered by the Nazis. The memorial in Prague shows this quite simply but powerfully: the walls of the rooms, floor to ceiling, are covered with the names of the murdered from the surrounding area in tiny script. Entire families wiped out.

15 July 2011 at 12:03  
Blogger len said...

Dodo,(01:38)
A study of the New Testament reveals that all Christians are priests. Peter said, "You too are living stones, built as an edifice of spirit, into a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ" (I Peter 2:5; The New Catholic Translation). Thus, all Christians are of that holy priesthood and can offer unto God spiritual sacrifices. All have the right to go directly to God through Jesus Christ, our High Priest (Hebrews 4:14-16).

15 July 2011 at 22:06  

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