Wednesday, September 07, 2011

Cameron: "I'm a very practical Euro-sceptic"

Last week the Prime Minister declared himself a ‘common sense Conservative’. His Grace won’t bore you with a definition: he will simply say that he finds the phrase somewhat tautologous, for there is no other type of Conservative than the one who is both in possession of and inclined towards the application of his or her common sense, which is a natural conservative disposition observed in human nature across all cultures and creeds. But yesterday Mr Cameron described himself as a ‘very practical Euro-sceptic’. And His Grace does feel inclined to bore you with some exposition of that definition, not least because the phrase is somewhat oxymoronic, for to be ‘practical’ in modern political parlance is to be Europhile.

To be Euro-sceptic is to apply one’s mental faculties to matters relating to the European Union: ‘sceptic’ comes from the Greek ‘skeptikos’, meaning to be essentially thoughtful, and all educated people should be sceptical about all matters, for that is how knowledge is acquired. It is not the same a ‘cynical’, with which it appears to have become almost synonymous. Cynicism, in the vernacular (ie not the ancient Greek sect founded by Antisthenes), is the expression of little faith in human sincerity or the distrust of society. Scepticism should be encouraged, especially as it relates to the EU. Cynicism should be discouraged, except where it relates to the EU.

David Cameron’s ‘practical Euro-scepticism’ is epitomised in his response yesterday to the question of an In/Out referendum on the EU. He said: "I don't support an In/Out referendum because I don't think that's the question people want asked about the EU."

Which is curious, firstly because very many Euro-sceptics and Europhiles agree that the matter of democratic legitimacy needs to be resolved urgently, and that a referendum is the only means of doing so; and secondly, because the Prime Minister has instituted an e-petitions website precisely to establish which questions the people want asked. And an In/Out referendum is up there, presently on 25,637 votes. It is, arguably, the biggest question of all, and yet Mr Cameron has scuppered the possibility of a referendum a year before the e-petition deadline, and by so doing he has pre-empted the judgement of the Committee convened to determine which petitions fall and which will reach the House of Commons to be debated.

That’s not very practical.

And neither is it particularly Euro-sceptic.

Cameron’s conservatism, rather like his Anglicanism, is one ‘that grows hotter and colder by moments’. He seeks a politics and a faith which do not polarise by setting one moral philosophy over another, but prefers consensus in accordance with the traditional via media. And so he naturally inclines towards talk of ‘community’, ‘society’, and ‘sticking together as a country’, and he uses Disraeli’s precise ‘One Nation’ phrase in an attempt to shift public perception that the Conservative Party under his leadership is ‘the party of the poor’ and ‘the party of the NHS’ (as the 2010 Manifesto stated). David Cameron’s approach on all matters is moderate, which is consonant with his paternalistic Anglicanism that mutually exclusive propositions and conflicting philosophies can be embraced as part of the ‘broad church’ of conservatism.

And so he expounds the virtues of subsidiarity, localism, decentralisation and ‘bottom-up’ governance. This, he avers, will revive civic pride by initiating ‘a massive, sweeping, radical redistribution of power: from the state to citizens; from the government to parliament; from Whitehall to communities. From Brussels to Britain; from judges to the people; from bureaucracy to democracy’. But it may simultaneously be observed that he has done more than any Conservative leader since the nineteenth century to centralise the internal workings of his own party: many of the powers which used to be held by local associations are now exercised centrally by a ruling Tory élite.

Practical he may be. But that practicality is geared primarily towards the acquisition, retention and exercise of power. Euro-scepticism is a politico-philosophical attitude which requires conviction, and Mr Cameron doesn’t do conviction, other than to that which produces the via media consensus and holds the extremes in tension. The last thing he wants is for his party to be torn asunder (again) over the vexatious issue of 'Europe'. Practical Euro-scepticism may keep you in office, but ultimately it frustrates the conservative instinct, for the EU is the source of ultimate political sovereignty, and so national power is attained and retained for no perceived purpose.

51 Comments:

Blogger Dreadnaught said...

" He said: "I don't support an In/Out referendum because I don't think that's the question people want asked about the EU."

He's a career politician with millions in the bank and a gold plated pension to look forward to - of course he doesn't want to offer the peasants us a referendum - what the hell do they matter.

Coming from our national leader, I am concerned that he only 'thinks' that he knows what the public don't want to be asked -

How bloody patronising is that?

7 September 2011 at 11:27  
Blogger Owl said...

Dave is a puppet just following his master's voice.

He uses semantics to to give an impression. Standard Liberal/Nu Lab tosh.

Thus spoke the heir to Blair.

When can we get rid of him!

7 September 2011 at 12:10  
Blogger Cam Ma said...

He thinks he is still speaking to the Eton Debating Society

7 September 2011 at 12:23  
Blogger Preacher said...

Possibly "A double minded man, blown about by every wind of doctrine, unstable in all his ways"?.

7 September 2011 at 12:40  
Blogger Jon said...

YG,

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head. I used to think that Tories were about the retention of power, come what may, whereas Labour was committed to its principles in spite of their electorally difficult consequences.

Then came Thatcherite conviction neo-liberalism and subsequent Blairism, and the roles reversed.

Perhaps, this is just those who believe themselves our natural masters reverting to type, while Labour reverts to an (arguably) well- meaning, misguided voice in the wilderness?

7 September 2011 at 12:46  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

May be we could have a referendum to see if we would like to have a referendum on the level of our EU involvement.

Have they squared off the accounts yet?

Just a thought.

7 September 2011 at 12:46  
Blogger Hereward said...

So today Cameron is a practical Euro-sceptic. Yesterday he was a practical liberal conservative. He has become all things to all people but he's not fooling too many.

It may be tempting to press for an EU referendum, but were one to be held we can be sure that financial backing, media coverage, and political campaigning would be heavily biased in favour of remaining in the EU. The European track record on referenda is that you keep having them until you give the right answer. It might be better to play a waiting game.

At this point in the economic cycle it would be unwise even for a genuinely Euro-sceptic PM to hint that it is no longer in the interests of the UK to remain a member of the EU. The markets would go into a tailspin, sinking the Euro, and sending the fragile global economy into reverse. It wouldn't be Brussels that got the blame, it would in all probability let the incompetent Eurocrats off the hook. All the resulting mayhem would be blamed on the British for chucking a spanner in the works.

The best that could be done for the present is to plan a route to eventual disengagement post Eurogeddon. I doubt that the Cameron brand of conservatism is prepared even to do that, although it is just possible that he might take advantage of deepening EU difficulties to negotiate a package that leaves us outside the requirements of “ever closer union” but still in membership.

7 September 2011 at 13:04  
Blogger non mouse said...

An Absolute Monarch by any other name would .... probably be better for us. He would want to keep himself as sovereign.


[I didn't like Wilson, couldn't take to Thatcher, despised Bliar, and couldn't stand Brown. But my reaction to this piece of work defies every word in the dictionary. He's very lucky I'm a Christian.]

7 September 2011 at 13:38  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

The Telegraph carried a story a few days ago that is revealing of Cameron. The man who championed renewable energy is now said to be ‘very worried’ after the practical consequences of that policy—higher fuel bills for voters—were explained to him.

If Cameron can only see the wrongheadedness of a policy when it presents itself in terms of fewer votes, Conservatives who place country above party should vote UKIP.

7 September 2011 at 14:44  
Blogger asdfsdfadf said...

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7 September 2011 at 15:50  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

Apparently,there is talk of martial law if too many wish to leave the eussr,the politbureau must be rubbing its hands in glee at the prospect,having never let a crisis go to waste for its own political agrandizement,just think,they will be able to kill us peasants "legally",wet dreams all round.

7 September 2011 at 17:14  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

"I don't support an In/Out referendum because I don't think that's the question people want asked about the EU."

Think again Cameron...

7 September 2011 at 17:15  
Blogger Anoneumouse said...

he meant he is a Common Purpose Conservative.

7 September 2011 at 17:30  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

*sticks head in the thread*

Will tomorrow's be about Dorries? Or Anne Milton and Frank Field? I might need to prepare. Ta. :)

7 September 2011 at 17:32  
Blogger len said...

I think every politician (especially those from wealthy backgrounds ) should be given a limited amount of money and turned lose in Society to see how the other half lives.
This(hopefully) would give them a more balanced view of those struggling to' make ends meet'in the real World.
Those in power insulated from reality by their relative wealth have lost touch with those who are struggling to survive in this fast shrinking economy.
In the unlikely event of this ever happening perhaps we would have politicians and a PM more in touch with reality.

7 September 2011 at 18:18  
Blogger English Viking said...

Your Grace,

Your post was a little too wordy for my liking.

Please allow me to submit the following, abbreviated version for your approval:

Cameron is a lying, corrupt tosser who places his own interests over those of his party, and his party's interests over those of the nation, and anyone who voted for him ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.


Like it?

7 September 2011 at 19:22  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

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7 September 2011 at 19:31  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Mr Cramer said ...
"He (Cameron) seeks a politics and a faith which do not polarise by setting one moral philosophy over another, but prefers consensus in accordance with the traditional via media."

Is it Anglican and Conservative to seek consensus between mutually exclusive propositions and conflicting philosophies? Or, might it be poor leadership and weak faith?

As the leader of the Conservative Party and the Prime Minister of a coalition, the seeking of a consensus is surely necessary? If politics is the 'Art of the Possible' what other path is Cameron to take? He has to hold his Party and the coalition together and also maintain public support. That's representative, liberal democracy for you.

It seems to me such a 'via media' whilst suited to politics is not recommended in matters of faith. To be a Christian goes beyond subscribing vaguely to the 'Golden Rule'. Most faith systems do this. Having a theology underpinning and an understanding that informs ones life and holding firm to it, may be 'religious fundamentalism'. But what is wrong in enumerating the fundamentals of Christianity? Is it preferable to a wishy-washy Christianity of moral relativism?

7 September 2011 at 19:40  
Blogger Gavin said...

To try and answer your point there, Dodo, I think that the term 'via media' (in the context of Anglicanism) can often be misunderstood. I'm not sure if it is meant to be a way of approaching 'the fundamentals of Christianity'. After all, the 39 Articles lay out the fundamentals of the Anglican Faith, and there isn't much of a 'middle road' to be found there; the Articles are quite concise about what the Faith is and what it isn't.
No, I think that 'v.m.' is meant as a way of approaching the things of faith about which there is still some uncertainty and debate.
It seeks to retain a 'middle ground' position in order for the debate to be allowed to continue until a consensus position has been arrived at.

7 September 2011 at 20:22  
Blogger Gavin said...

It also comes to my mind, Perhaps the practical application of a 'via media' approach is better understood when one thinks of the role of the ArchB. of C. as the chief spokesman and unifier of the Anglican Communion as a whole, rather than just the CoE.
The point to be understood here is that there is a distinction between the essentials (39 Articles) and secondary aspects of liturgy/doctrine as practised by the different Anglican denominations. The via-media approach, as far as I understand it, is applied to those secondary aspects, while retaining the unity of the essentials.
That's my personal understanding of the phrase, at any rate. No doubt His Grace will correct me if I have misunderstood or erred.

7 September 2011 at 21:10  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace

When bred in the bone and Ernst joked about ad placement commenting some months ago, Ernst never imagined that you would take us seriously and simony would be the result.

Mind you, they say this is the recession to end all recessions and with energy prices hiked up dramatically maybe you need to have that boiler on high, to keep those ashes warm during the upcoming winter months...

Johann Tetzel would be proud and wonder what all the row had been about. HeHeHe.

Mind you, that RSPCA beer and curry night on Sunday 18th would hit the spot. Tikka masala and cobra (ad placement) beer it is.

Forgiven and cleansed by the Lib Dem fringe events, well Ernst never!!! What a coalition this is turning out to be.

Ernst S Blofeld (tongue firmly wedged around onion bargee in cheek).

7 September 2011 at 22:01  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace

Ps

Any chance of a 10% discount promotion code like Ernst gets when ordering his printing ink online?

Cheeky Old Ernsty? or If you don't ask, you don't get!

7 September 2011 at 22:23  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

Camoron is another lying traitor, just like all the PM's we've had since 1979 ......

7 September 2011 at 22:41  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

G Tingey

Where's your tangible, incontravertable evidence, capable of being weighed and tested, for this assertion?

7 September 2011 at 23:03  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Gavin

Many thanks for this clarification.

I was thinking more about the implications of the 'fundamental' beliefs for Christian living in the context of the 21st Century.

How they can these be translated into an expression of love for God and our neighbour in the moral maelstrom of gender and sexual politics. Both are beseiging the Church - internally from those adoptinga 'modern' interpretation of God's laws and externally from secularists and atheists.

7 September 2011 at 23:11  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

G Tingey

Didn't someone once say:
"Remeber, the magic word is: EVIDENCE. Not rhetoric, not quotes ... evidence."

7 September 2011 at 23:24  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

DanJO

Ernst followed your link and was shocked NOT to be greeted with the words 'Get Lost Theists'.

Going soft in your old age?

Ernst S Blofeld

7 September 2011 at 23:45  
Blogger Atlas shrugged said...

Which is curious, firstly because very many Euro-sceptics and Europhiles agree that the matter of democratic legitimacy needs to be resolved urgently, and that a referendum is the only means of doing so;

Legitimacy is of course vital, but is also undoubtedly a double edged sword as far as the slippery ells that ultimately own the EU are concerned.

It is clear that we are only ever going to be allowed a referendum when the powers that be consider that we will vote to stay in. Equally clear that if we vote to leave, we will be given repeated referendums until we change our minds.

If we decided to have such a vote the powers that be will undoubtedly threaten us with all kinds of very nasty consequences if we vote to leave. Much like they did the Irish. They will also carry out these threats, until we beg to be allowed back in again.

At which point we will be well and truly screwed beyond imagination, and so have nowhere to hide, or run too.

IMO there remains only two possible ways this country could ever hope to regain its freedom. Divine intervention, ( not likely, lets face it ) or The EU completely collapsing by its own weight ( almost inevitable at some time in the future, especially if the common people sufficiently lean on it)

We cannot break out on our own. We must wait until most of the other prisoners first riot, knock out the guards, cut the barbed wire, and then finally help us to break down the prison gate.

BE OF NO DOUBT

The powers that be, can at a whim crush this country like an annoying bug, but they cannot so easily take on the collective will of the majority of European people.

However those persisted on potentially shooting themselves in the foot, would be most well advised to insist that two are allowed to play the repeated referendum game.

That the British, as well as the people of all other European nations, reserve the right to change their minds, and so leave, stay, or rejoin, at anytime in the future, should they wish to do so.

8 September 2011 at 00:16  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Atlas shrugged 8 September 2011 00:16

Dear girl

Only you can start a comment and Ernst wonders if it is part 1 continued or some of it has not been input. hehehe.
*Furrows brow and eyes glaze over*!

Nighty night.

Ernsty, my dear old lass. Thanks for the bedtime chuckle...You are irreplaceable.

8 September 2011 at 00:35  
Blogger Atlas shrugged said...

Oh and another point.

Yes, you can most clearly put myself in the envelope marked HIGHLY CYNICAL.

I must strongly advise my fellow citizens that anyone who trusts our current voting system is either deaf, dumb and blind, or certifiably stupid.

We must insist that postal voting is made eternally illegal. That all votes are made in person, using traditional pencil and paper. All votes must be counted locally under close scrutiny by a random selection of ordinary local people. That the individual vote count be reported in the local news-papers and posted at local town halls, at least 24 hours before the result is announced to the greater public.

Whatever happens do not allow any kind of technology anywhere near the voting process.

It is not that I believe that election results have long since been rigged to a greater or lesser extent, I KNOW that they have been, and are more so every time one takes place; and so would you, if you have been paying any type of proper attention.

BTW.

The first line of my last comment should have been in quotation marks. However if you had read his Graces post at all, or at all properly, you would have known this.

8 September 2011 at 00:51  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Atlas shrugged said

"BTW.

The first line of my last comment should have been in quotation marks. However if you had read his Graces post at all, or at all properly, you would have known this."

Take it you really believe Ernst has ESP?

Still, glad your'e back, you grumpy old moo.

Ernsty

8 September 2011 at 09:27  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

E-petition scheme descends into farce: MPs can't find time for 'people power' debates


"When the scheme was launched earlier this year, people were given the impression that any petition gathering 100,000 signatures or more would automatically be discussed by MPs.

Two petitions – including one demanding the removal of benefits from thugs involved in last month’s riots – have already crossed the threshold.
But it has now emerged that a debate will take place only if, having gained 100,000 signatures, the subject is also suggested by an MP on the obscure Backbench Business Committee."
Guess what, shocking news, they are not 'suggesting' anything.

As with this post of Cameron being "Cameron: "I'm a very practical Euro-sceptic" it appears it should also read "Cameron: "I'm a very practical manure-spreader"

As EV and others have said " Cameron is a lying, corrupt tosser who places his own interests over those of his party, and his party's interests over those of the nation, and anyone who voted for him ought to be thoroughly ashamed of themselves." Ernst is wearing a hair-shirt lined with shards of glass and beating himself stupid with a crowbar in abject repentance. Hope that LIBDEM curry and beer night works?

Ernst, a pathetic, gullable old plonker, with a vote badly placed in 2010, (however, in my defence, what were the options) BAAHHH and HUMBUG.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2034915/E-petition-scheme-descends-farce-MPs-time-people-power-debates.html#ixzz1XLeJWaT7

8 September 2011 at 09:51  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Your Grace

On the subject of voting, there is one box missing on the slip – “Non of the above”

However, we DO have an alternative – UKIP - comprised mainly of conservatives who have retained their common sense, and when all supporters are taken as one, non partisan in the old way.

What’s really unpleasant about Cameron is that he’s it. There is as yet no successor waiting in the wings. and when there is, expect that he / she will be in the Cameron mould.

8 September 2011 at 13:29  
Blogger Oswin said...

asdfsdfadf @ 15:50 :

THANK YOU for the enclosed link. I urge everyone here to watch Rodney Atkinson's exposé.

As the elder brother to Rowan Atkinson, Rodney is short on laughs, but successfully delineates the sickest joke of the modern era.

8 September 2011 at 14:54  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Oswin 8 September 2011 14:54

"THANK YOU for the enclosed link. I urge everyone here to watch Rodney Atkinson's exposé."

???

Ernst, old boy

8 September 2011 at 15:42  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"The RC's Church's Secret Sex-Crime Files frm @RollingStone high-level conspiracy to cover up decades of sexual abuse http://t.co/SRxCYG1"

Ooh Dear Lord...Brace yourselves everyone and hang on tight, Dodo may still be around.HeHeHe.

Ernst *Knuckles going white whilst gripping the rails*

8 September 2011 at 16:13  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

The Inspector General was just about to follow the link, but some rotter has deleted it...

Anyone ??

8 September 2011 at 17:33  
Blogger bluedog said...

Oswin @ 14.54, please can you repost the link, there seems to have been an out-break of Divine Intervention.

8 September 2011 at 22:21  
Blogger Oswin said...

Oh dear, its been 'disappeared' - try : ''The Nazis and Fascists who founded THE EU and their influence today'' on YouTube.

8 September 2011 at 22:23  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Ernst

Bad man!

The link leads nowhere, just like the continuing attacks on the Church for the sins of a minority and the misquided leadership of a few senior Church leaders.

8 September 2011 at 23:50  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

That fellow Blofeld, same here..

While you’re there, The old ladies at the Inspector’s tea rooms want to know if there’s a bell round your cat’s neck. The live for a sparrow revival, you know.

9 September 2011 at 00:03  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Success Oswin - Thank you

9 September 2011 at 00:37  
Blogger Atlas shrugged said...

''The Nazis and Fascists who founded THE EU and their influence today''

Now, having seen the video, what do you think about it?

Do you still trust your elected government and your mass media, with the TRUTH, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

How about the BBC, for example?

OK most of us did not trust the BBC to deliver the exact truth about anything at all, other then perhaps the sporting results, but I don't recall The BBC mentioning anything about The EU being covertly instigated by a bunch of Nazi's.

Can you now see why our economies are being/have been systematically destroyed?

Can you now see what especially people like Dennis Healy, and Gordon Brown have REALLY been up to, and WHY?

Can you not see that ALL nations are not at all ultimately or even mainly controlled by their own national governments, and have not been for a very long time?

If not, why not, because the EVIDENCE is surely overwhelming, to say the least?

You have been CONNED, FLIM-FLAMED, ROLLED-OVER, and TAKEN TO THE CLEANERS all at the same time.

In other words, almost the entire peoples of Europe have had the collective piss taken out of them, while the vast majority were then, and still are to this day intellectually sound asleep.

We all live under a secret government and have done so for sometime around 200 years. Some claim with much evidence in support, that this occult based world sized conspiracy has been basically running the entire show for several thousands of years.

Remember this secret government was in charge of things during two worlds wars, as well as The Napoleonic War. They have therefore either conspired to create, or have sat back making perfect fortunes while millions upon millions of ordinary people have been murderously slaughtered in many cases in the most horrific manners imaginable.

The good news is that we can not loose what we never really had in the first place. The exact same elite families that have been essentially running The World Show 1000 years ago, are set to be running it for the next 1000 years.

( A sort of "Spring Time For Hitler and Germany", without the jokes. )

Or, they most certainly think they are going to, and I for one am increasingly inclined to believe that they will.

When it comes down to it the reason why they will ultimately succeed are glaringly obvious.

The ordinary people are self-evidently sheep like fools, and think in the short, or relatively very short-term, but their owners are incredibly smart, utterly ruthless, and think in the long, and very long-term.

Therefore there families will survive, and prosper, and your will not do either. A Darwinian survival of the most ruthlessly evil, if you wish.

Indeed the people are so unbelievably dense that they not only cannot see the truth, even when standing right full-square in front of them, they refuse to even begin to engage there pitifully tiny intellects, even when someone like myself takes the effort to spell it out to them in the most simplistic of terms, time and time again.

And what do people like myself get, for performing our moral duty towards our fellow creatures?

Do we get rational debate? Hardly ever, if at all.

Do we get people starting to do their own independent research? Sometimes, but not often. Worse if they do, they almost always start at completely the wrong place, and so give up shortly afterwards.

Do we get any thanks for the unpaid effort we make? Again sometimes, but most usually only when accompanied by masses of patronizing, and insultingly pointless rubbish.

No, with a few notable exceptions we get abuse, abuse and yet more mindlessly pathetic abuse.

Which may I add, can be often rather depressing?

9 September 2011 at 02:05  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

Like every PM since 1979, Cameron is a traitor, who has reduced our defences.
That he is merely a liar should be a matter of no real concern .....

P.S. Atlas Shrugged seems to have missed taking his/her dried frog pills today!

9 September 2011 at 08:01  
Blogger len said...

It seems to me the consecutive Governments of whatever party sing from the same hymn sheet (with slight variations)
Heath led us into the 'common market'much as a 'judas goat'leads the sheep to the slaughter.
Those who set up the European Union(now so called) knew they had to work by deception and to hide their true purpose behind setting up the Union which was a Federal Europe.
Cameron promised a referendum which lies amongst his other broken promises which will never happen.
Time to wake up to the real agendas that the Politicians are pursuing?.

9 September 2011 at 08:26  
Blogger bluedog said...

Thank you for the link Mr Oswin, sobering stuff.

But is the glass half-full or half empty? It's always hard to know with conspiracy theories, which one tries hard to avoid. Best to believe, like that great pan-European democrat Napoleon, that a stuff up is usually the most likely explanation. Certainly the principle architect of the EU, Monnet, was nowhere near being a Nazi, and he didn't rate a mention. May have spoilt the story? But was the US wrong to go easy on reformed Nazis? The alternative strategy was a disaster in Iraq.

Certainly there were many bigwigs in post-war Europe suffering what has become known as Waldheimer's Disease, where you can't remember anything you did between 1934 and 1945.

9 September 2011 at 10:06  
Blogger non mouse said...

Way past time, Mr. Len (0826). But that video of Atkinsons's tells it truly, methinks. Outstanding stuff, as others here testify.

9 September 2011 at 10:09  
Blogger bluedog said...

Atlas Shrugged @ 02.05, your post is confusing. Are you really suggesting that Denis Healey was a Nazi? He was in fact a Marxist, and it seems, one with unpleasantly treasonous habits.

Why, the former Minister of Defence was allegedly thrown off the deck of a British warship in the port of Trieste in 1945. The cause of his reverse press-ganging? It appears that while serving as an officer in the British Army Intelligence Corps Major Healey had found an excuse to incite mutiny amongst the ratings. Perhaps Mr Healey, as he soon became, thought he was canvassing potential constituents. Unfortunately the Senior Service took a different view.

Strange but allegedly true.

9 September 2011 at 10:19  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

The Tao of the Dodo said 8 September 2011 23:50

"Ernst

Bad man!

The link leads nowhere, just like the continuing attacks on the Church for the sins of a minority and the misquided leadership of a few senior Church leaders."

Ernsty was merely giving you an opportunity to get it off your feathered breast on this blog sooner rather than later! HEHEHE. Now don't you feel better for than and not having to have a pop at His Grace instead.

OIG 9 September 2011 00:03

"While you’re there, The old ladies at the Inspector’s tea rooms want to know if there’s a bell round your cat’s neck. The live for a sparrow revival, you know."

Tell the old dears not to panic. Of course she is equiped with a silver tinkling bell, old chap. They live NOT IN VAIN and Ernst does his likkle bit to help.

Ernst is all for a british sporting chance and all that, unlike other supposedly animal loving nations!
Why we are who we are, old boy..level playing field, wanting the underdog to have a fair chance etc. *Rule Britannia and Jerusalem ringing in Ernst's ears from Bryn Terfel's renditions*

Ernst, my good man.

9 September 2011 at 13:25  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Len said 9 September 2011 08:26

"Time to wake up to the real agendas that the Politicians are pursuing?."

Succinct wisdom as ever. You put in one sentence the suppressed fury within Ernst which led to him rambling on about the above.

Utterly betrayed by the whole lot of them, we are.

We really do only encourage the blaggards when we vote for them. soo, soooo true.

Ernst, old boy.

9 September 2011 at 13:37  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

That’s the spirit Blofeld – giving the feathered ones a chance !

Will inform the old dears post-haste ...

Yours and the empire’s humble servant – The Inspector General

9 September 2011 at 23:05  

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