Saturday, September 10, 2011

Farage offers an English Parliament



Moreover, he also proclaims: "If you're a patriotic, Euro-sceptic Conservative voter, under David Cameron your party has now ceased to exist."

His Grace received an email this morning from a troubled one who signed herself 'A Perplexed Sheep of the Fold'. Having voted Conservative for the past 13 years, she sought His Grace's view on whether or not she should switch her allegiance to UKIP, on the strength, it seems, of this speech by Mr Fargage.

His Grace politely informed her that, being Anglican, he is not in the business of directing people in the way they should vote, but exhorted her to research, read and discern the spirituality and morality of the candidates as well as the policies and objectives of the parties. He is of the view, since none is perfect, that it is a matter, in a liberal democracy, of voting for the lesser evil.

But His Grace would like to throw this open to his communicants, in order that this poor 'Perlexed Sheep' might benefit from the wisdom and insights of the rest of the flock.

74 Comments:

Blogger PJ said...

"we're the only Libertarian party in the uk" - how do they explain their policy on defence and immigration then?

10 September 2011 at 13:17  
Blogger H3xperiment said...

PJ.

The pure libertarian view would be that immigration should be welcomed, but being that this country has a huge benefits system - encouraging a large immigration 'pull', it is neither sensible nor sustainable to have a libertarian immigration policy in isolation.

For if you take the pure libertarian view on immigration, you should also realise that libertarianism encourages people stand on their own two feet. Thus welfare and benefits systems would be abolished and replaced with a pay-in insurance type scheme, as an example (with special provisions for those who medically lack the capacity to do so).

As for defense, pure libertarians believe in the right to own a lawful weapon. Militarily, libertarians believe in the right to self defence/deterrent, the scale of said defense is relative to the threat, and should be flexible.

So don't get too hung up on 'pure' ideologies, Labour aren't pure, Conservatives aren't pure, the Liberal Democrats are neither liberal nor democratic.

10 September 2011 at 14:02  
Blogger Andrew Bower said...

An English parliament is such a gimmick and UKIP's judgement on the AV referendum was very poor. When you consider how the Liberal Democrats are holding back the government over the EU how can it possibly be sensible to vote in a way which can only make it harder to get a majority Conservative government in the next parliament. I say reject the overtures of this, particularly aggresive, siren.

10 September 2011 at 14:14  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Mr Cranmer said ...

"(He) exhorted her to research, read and discern the spirituality and morality of the candidates as well as the policies and objectives of the parties. He is of the view, since none is perfect, that it is a matter, in a liberal democracy, of voting for the lesser evil."

Forgive me, but I'd add in a 'first past the post' voting system in what is still a two party domocracy.

If only everyone adopted such a mature approach to exercising their vote.

What is the likelihood of success of the candidate voted for and the consequences of electing a possible alternative.

Is UKIP a realistic party of government? If the alternative to voting Conservative is a Labour or Lib-Dem majority or coalition, what then?

10 September 2011 at 14:38  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

It really isn’t perplexing. For decades, the Conservative Party has been under the control of liberals and Europhiles, with the result that it no longer puts Britain and the British first. Lord Tebbit argues that people who disagree with the direction the party has taken should bring about change by standing for Parliament but I believe there is an easier and more much effective way: deprive the party of your vote. When it comes to making politicians sit up and take notice, nothing can match the prospect of losing power.

10 September 2011 at 14:40  
Blogger Gnostic said...

I stopped voting for the Tories after Major signed the Maastricht Treaty. No true conservative would have signed up to that.

I vote UKIP because they are the only party standing on a conservative ticket. I just wish Nigel would put more effort into a domestic campaign, even if he starts at local government level.

10 September 2011 at 14:55  
Blogger gadfly said...

"His Grace politely informed her that, being Anglican, he is not in the business of directing people in the way they should vote, but exhorted her to research, read and discern the spirituality and morality of the candidates as well as the policies and objectives of the parties. He is of the view, since none is perfect, that it is a matter, in a liberal democracy, of voting for the lesser evil."

Yes, in a real liberal democracy, voting for the lesser evil may be the right approach.

But what happens when the lesser evil becomes very evil indeed, and you have no institutions or societal forces capable of exercising any corrective influence?

10 September 2011 at 15:19  
Blogger Anabaptist said...

I didn't quite understand your headline:
'Farage offers and English Parliament

Should that be 'an'?

On the substance, your readers are strongly urged to read Peter Hitchens's Mail on Sunday blog. It has a very useful index.

10 September 2011 at 15:39  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Yes. Corrected. Thank you.

10 September 2011 at 15:48  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

I would recommend, as you YG did yourself, not to vote purely on party policy but on the ability and morality of the candidates in your constituency.

I voted for Nicholas Soames at the last election: not because he is a Conservative, but because he made the strongest moral case for candidacy.

10 September 2011 at 15:52  
Blogger English Viking said...

Gadfly is correct.

Faced with the option of a dog-turd sandwich or a cat-turd kebab, I don't want either.

To your perplexed communicant, the only advice I can offer is not to soil yourself with these morons, any of them. They are all liars, to a man, and will not represent you in any way, shape, form or manner. UKIP complain about the EU whilst enriching themselves on its golden tit.

The Lord Jesus Christ is a Christian's representative, and the idea of supplanting Him with a mere man, usually one without any morals whatsoever, is a slap in His face.

The rule of men, by men, for men, is the furthest thing from God's mind when it comes to running a country.

Democracy is vanity.

10 September 2011 at 15:58  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

English Viking said 10 September 2011 15:58

Old Ernst is beaming with boundless admiration at your post, old boy.

Ernst, my fine christian warrior.

10 September 2011 at 16:13  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dear ‘Perplexed Sheep’

Excellent and reassuring news for you. It has to be UKIP everytime. Had the original conservatives come to their senses over the EU, UKIP would be THE conservative party.

This watery version of conservatism that Cameron leads, where are Conservative principles and values – kept well hidden as it’s ‘power at any price’ for this career administrator (...he cannot be called a politician because he doesn’t do politics...).

Incidentally, even the worst run businesses struggle on regardless, so long as the money is there (qv communist production in the former USSR). When the money’s gone, the whole EU starts to lean, as now. There has never been a better time for the UK to disengage before the inevitable collapse. Just thank providence we had the sense to hang on to our currency. It will be no loss to world. The EU ceased being a good idea when communism collapsed, and that was 20 years ago !!

10 September 2011 at 16:16  
Blogger English Viking said...

ESB + T,

I aim to please.

PS Just noticed that your abbreviated screen tag sounds a bit like G + T.

I don't mind if do Sir, your very good health.

10 September 2011 at 16:23  
Blogger Oswin said...

Whomsoever frees us from the thrall of Europe; beyond that, it's all up for grabs.

10 September 2011 at 16:37  
Blogger J.D. Malcolmson said...

Andrew Bower said...
...how can it possibly be sensible to vote in a way which can only make it harder to get a majority Conservative government in the next parliament. {?}

Like you, Andrew, I used to think that Cameron's U-turns and broken promises were the price the Tories were having to pay to be propped up in government by the Libdems.

But now, as Farage implied in his speech, I don't believe that Cameron was ever a true Conservative in the first place and is quite happy with being the leader of a coalition with a party for whom power is an end in itself, rather than just a means to an end.

If he were, he would have formed a minority government and dared Clegg and Co to wreck his legislative programme. Another General Election under these circumstances might have returned the Conservatives with a working overall majority.

10 September 2011 at 17:15  
Blogger Oswin said...

Your Grace, any thoughts re' the Arab Spring-cleaning of the Israeli Embassy?

10 September 2011 at 17:17  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

English Viking said ...
"The rule of men, by men, for men, is the furthest thing from God's mind when it comes to running a country."

Is there a better system than representative democracy?

Are you suggesting a return to a theocratic system where temporal leaders follow the guidance of the Church? I'm not sure how Pope Benedict might respond to such a request.

I'm no Old Testament expert but if memory serves didn't God suggest the Jewish people were wrong in wanting to replace prophets and priests with elected kings?

10 September 2011 at 18:19  
Blogger whitespacebug said...

Pretty much what the Viking said, but without the Jesus bit.

My security word is, almost unbelievably, lablyps.

10 September 2011 at 18:41  
Blogger Man in a Shed said...

My personal disaffection with the current Conservative leadership is growing by the day.

I suspect that's a wide spread mood and why Hague is trying to sound Eurosceptic today.

I'm not sure it enough.

10 September 2011 at 18:45  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

English Viking

In case you can't get the results in Norway:

Stoke 1 - 0 Liverpool

Bolton 0 - 5 Manchester United

10 September 2011 at 19:59  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

^

:O

10 September 2011 at 20:17  
Blogger Atlas shrugged said...

As democracy is an illusion, and party politics ever more so, I see little point in debating the finer points of either.

Democracy, as well as party politics are for mugs, and have long since been so.

There is of course very little to disagree with the UKIP perspective, however all politicians sound good until the reality of being in office, but having absolutely no real power whatsoever, slaps them in the face like a cold wet fish.

There is absolutely no credible party in Europe that is in a position to challenge the owners of The EU, neither is there ever going to be a REAL one IMO.

I regret to inform you all that the road to our freedom does not lie on a democratic, or nationalistic one.

It lies when the peoples of Europe finally and collectively decide that they have had enough of having the piss taken out of them for a variety of reasons, and refuse to co-operate with their respective prison guards.

This is ALL it takes, but I fear it is simply not going to happen.

Stop co-operating with the establishment, and said evil will be shown up as the naked emperor it has always been. The system only has the power we the people happily give it.

There is ONLY one answer, and there has only ever been ONE answer. It is an answer we have never been allowed to find, which is why we are where we are, with no prospect whatsoever of our situation ever improving. Which is why our own establishment has always kept a tight grip on all of our eduction, and mass media systems, since they allowed the common people the chance to learn how to read in the first place.

We must educate ourselves as to how the system actually works. We can start doing this by completely disregarding how our educational, and media institutions have conned us into believing it does over a considerable period of time.

This country, indeed world, is not run from the bottom up, it is utterly dictated to by the very top down. Democracy, or mob-rule does not now, and has not at any other time in the past, had anything to do with anything AT ALL, unless the powers that be considered it was in their interests, and their interests alone, to start some kind of revolution, or apparent up-rising.

If the people of Europe could possibly get there perfectly miss-guided heads round their true reality, they may have a chance to achieve some degree of freedom and so retain at least a limited degree of control over their own future lives, and thought processes.

Therefore voting UKIP is as much of an illusion as voting for any other party. The act of voting at all is a self defeating act of proclaiming your own subservient ignorance to a system you do not at all understand, and have absolutely no control over.

You have by the very act of putting pencil to paper, not only shown your own subservient acquiescence, but have put your eternal sole in danger. This because you are making yourself personally responsible for the evil your own governing elites will most inevitably do in your name.

In other words you MUST finally know the TRUTH.

For ONLY the TRUTH can set you FREE.

It matters not much whether you are dangerously ignorant within a relatively small invisible prison cell namely The UK, or are so in a relatively larger one, namely The EU. For a prisoner of your own ignorance you will most surely be, even if you became a citizen of The Universe, or got yourself dumped in the Black Hole of Calcutta.

10 September 2011 at 21:01  
Blogger Albert said...

The problem with the present situation is that it is undemocratic. Democracy, if it is to be of any value, requires everyone's vote to be of equal weight. At first sight, votes are equal in the UK, but the present situation in which Scottish MPs can vote on English legislation, but not vice versa means there is a lack of equality. A Scottish voter has more influence than an English one (is it any wonder that they get more money spent on them than we do down here?). You can't quite say it wouldn't be allowed if it was black people whose vote counted for less (as English North of the boarder get the same rights as Scots North of the boarder), but at the macro level, the situation seems virtually racist.

So the present situation is anti-democratic, Labour is anti-democratic and arguably racist for having created it and the Conservatives are similar for not having resolved it. Both have given powers away to Europe too.

Democracy seems under-valued at the moment. If I'd served in the Battle of Britain I think I be feeling pretty hacked off with our political masters.

The trouble is, if you don't vote Conservative, you get Labour and they, given the choice are worse, because their commitment to freedom is so wafer-thin.

10 September 2011 at 21:01  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Albert

Then vexing 'Midlothian' question.
The implications of devolution remain unaddressed.

Should we have English, Welsh, Sottish and Northern Ireland Assemblies voting on 'local' issues with powers to raise income tax? Some want Regional Assemblies never mind 'national' ones. This complimented by a British Paliament?

More government, more MP's, more waffle, more expense and yet ever more legislation.

Personally, I'd support scrapping the lot and stick with the British Paliament alone.

10 September 2011 at 21:38  
Blogger Albert said...

Dodo,

Personally, I'd support scrapping the lot and stick with the British Paliament alone

I incline to agree, but if we must have local assemblies, then everyone must have them - or we must accept that our democracy is weakened.

10 September 2011 at 21:55  
Blogger J.D. Malcolmson said...

Atlas Shrugged said:

"...I regret to inform you all that the road to our freedom does not lie on a democratic, or nationalistic one.

It lies when the peoples of Europe finally and collectively decide that they have had enough of having the piss taken out of them for a variety of reasons, and refuse to co-operate with their respective prison guards..."

Unfortunately, a lot of these people don't see too much wrong with the present system. To give one example, I would imagine that most of the contributors to this blog are seriously concerned about threats to freedom of speech. But it is only people who have something of import to say who could care less. And, depressingly, I think they are in quite a small minority.

The only reason that political parties like UKIP are impotent is because they have such a pathetic share of the national vote. This might seem like stating the obvious, but I think it does rather reinforce my point about an apathetic electorate. And much of this electorate, for example those working in the public sector, have every incentive to ensure that the corporatist, supranational state remains in the ascendancy.

10 September 2011 at 21:56  
Blogger Atlas shrugged said...

Is there a better system than representative democracy?

Good question.

Very possibly not, but there most surely is an infinitely better way of running a democratic system then the way ours has always been, since we were given a democratic system to barely exist under in the first place.

For democracy to run in the interests of the people the people must be properly educated, and fully and honestly informed. Democracy must also be unwritten by a cast iron constitution which is designed to uphold the common interests of the people as a whole, as well as individually.

Are you or any one else seriously claiming that they are now, have ever been in the past, or have any possible chance of being so at any time in the future?

I give as just two example of my compellingly conclusive evidence THE BBC, and the state, and private education systems, need I really say anymore?

10 September 2011 at 22:04  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Albert

How do you manage to get italic font and bold on here? Just can't work it out!

10 September 2011 at 22:05  
Blogger Atlas shrugged said...

J.D. Malcolmson said...

Unfortunately, a lot of these people don't see too much wrong with the present system.

True, which is a problem; democracy is a system even at the best of times where 51% of the people who feel themselves to be doing perfectly fine could find themselves dictating to the other 49% who may be starving to death.

However we currently have a system were around .00000000001% are utterly dictating to the other 99.9999999999% simply because 99.9999999999% are fundamentally ignorant of their true reality.

Which I hope you will agree is not democracy in any shape or form.

We can not all rule, most of us have better things to do with our time and energy, however it is well past time our real owners came out of the closet and showed themselves. This instead of giving us greedy limo and perceived power crazed idiots like Obama and Cameron to pointlessly throw our rotten eggs at.

By knowing, simply by actively seeking to find out the TRUTH, is all we actually need to do to free ourselves from the chains of our own ignorance.

This is as true for those employed in the public services, as it is for those who are not, or not employed at all.

We must stop waiting in vain for a Messiah or saviour of any kind. For one will never come, least of all a REAL or genuine one.

10 September 2011 at 22:24  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

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10 September 2011 at 22:52  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Oswin @ 17.17, a recent editorial in the Jerusalem Post came very close to urging the Turkish military to overthrow Islamist Turkish PM Recep Ergogan in the name of a democratic and secular Turkey.

Erdogan has been on an anti-Israeli bender ever since. On Monday and Tuesday next week Erdogan will be in Egypt, and threatens to walk the streets of Gaza too.

The sacking of the Israeli embassy was possibly not unconnected with the imminent arrival in Cairo of the Nasserite Erdogan.

10 September 2011 at 22:54  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Atlas

Come on now, get real. We live in a fallen world and those with influence and power will always seek to use it to their own advantage. That's been the case since societies first came together and replaced the family and the tribe.

I would sooner trust a flawed representative democratic system than rule by unrestrained autocrats, dictators, plebicite or the umbridled mob.

Let's rise to the challenge of representative democracy rather than constantly whinging about it or complaining a few elites use it for their own purposes.

In this world, filled with people at different stages of moral and spiritual development oer corruption, truth and justice will always be a struggle.

Lets be honest, most people don't really care so long as they are able to lead peaceful and secure lives. And there's the rub -unless we stay vigilant we can slip into dictatorship, and most probably a malign one.

Freedom, truth and justice are responsibilities as well as rights.

10 September 2011 at 22:55  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

“How do you manage to get italic font and bold on here? Just can't work it out!”

Dodo

I’ve been meaning to ask that question myself

10 September 2011 at 23:46  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Inspector G

Hopefully a good soul out there will us in our shared plight.

10 September 2011 at 23:52  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ OoIG—Use this HTML for italics and bold:

● <i>words to be italicized</i> gives words to be italicized
● <b>words to be emboldened</b> gives words to be emboldened
● <b><i>bold italics</i></b> gives bold italics

10 September 2011 at 23:53  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Johnny

By now you will know I'm obtuse!

What's HTLM and how does one access it?

Can you offer a 'dummy's' guide, please?

11 September 2011 at 00:00  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Not that it matters Mr Rottenborough,no one reads what the Inspector General thinks anyway...

Many thanks, from yours and the empire's most obediant and humble servant

11 September 2011 at 00:01  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ TWOTD—Just type out the words, bracket them with ‘more than’ and ‘less than’, together with ‘i’ or ‘b’ as shown and you’ll get italics and bold.

11 September 2011 at 00:04  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

There is also changing colour with 'a'

11 September 2011 at 00:04  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Inspector

Congratulatios, Sir!

Can you explain it to me?

11 September 2011 at 00:04  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Johnny

'more than' and 'less that'?

Inspector

Now you're getting above yourself!
I'm envious!

11 September 2011 at 00:06  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Here’s an example, italic the word ‘papist’ {snigger}

< i >papist< /i >

Now take out the spaces within the brackets and you get papist

11 September 2011 at 00:10  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ OoIG—‘a’ is part of the hyperlink HTML.

@ TWOTD—‘More than’ and ‘less than’ should be on your computer keyboard. If they aren’t, you won’t be able to do italics and bold. They should be there, though.

11 September 2011 at 00:10  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Mr R

First came across ‘hyperlink’ in the Star Trek series.

Didn’t understand it then, and still don’t...

11 September 2011 at 00:17  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

bigot

11 September 2011 at 00:19  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Inspector
Whoops - I'm so sorry it was the first word that came to mind!

Johnny

Many thanks

11 September 2011 at 00:24  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

That’s the spirit, you arsehole,

Doesn't seem to be much going on tonight, so I’ll leave you two on guard...

Good evening, gentlemen.

11 September 2011 at 00:26  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Inspector and Johnny

Just a note to thank you both for your kind help and assistance with this.

11 September 2011 at 00:42  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Another little practice to see if I can change colour of words.

Good night Inspector General.

11 September 2011 at 00:45  
Blogger J.D. Malcolmson said...

Atlas shrugged said...

"For democracy to run in the interests of the people the people must be properly educated, and fully and honestly informed."

Quite so. And how do you propose that, in the first place, we go about getting ourselves an administration which recognises this and fulfils its traditional function of providing government not just of the people, but for the people and by the people?

This would have to be a government that regarded power as a means to this noble end, instead of an end in itself; a government that had the courage to sweep clean a Marxist-infested education system driven by the moral absolutism of mandatory equality, thus liberating young people from political propaganda and endowing them with the power to think for themselves; a government that had the confidence to answer the challenges of the informed dissent which would arise from such enlightenment; and a government that truly and passionately believed the Voltairean dictum "We may disagree with what you say, but we will defend to the death your right to say it".

The only political movement in this country whose objectives come anywhere close to this is UKIP, and as I stated in an earlier post, their poor standing in the polls tells you all you need to know about the reluctance of people to embrace radical change.

So if the ballot box isn't going to work, what do you propose? Perhaps a BBC licence-fee payers strike, thus cutting off one of the neo-Marxist propaganda arms, would be a start, but it ain't going to happen.

11 September 2011 at 08:37  
Blogger bluedog said...

Your Grace

This is by far the best presentation that Farage has made. Cometh the hour, cometh this man? He certainly comes across as credibly Prime Ministerial.

And Mr Andrew Bower @ 14.14, an English parliament is most definitely not a gimmick. As Farage says, there is no way back from devolution. What he does not mention and what is the inevitable outcome, is a British federation. One step at a time.

Time to compare and contrast unitary and federal constitutional structures, Mr Bower. Then you may understand.

11 September 2011 at 10:59  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

I'm not totally getting what you folks are really up to there in the home country, but it seems to be going from bad to worse and many of us here in the Canadas wish that you'd all get your scheiss together, pronto. Apart from anyhing else, our own identity here as a unified nation and a member of the Commonwealth will dependend on there being a stable (and sane) U.K. with a respected monarchy at its head. The way things look like now, you'll be devolving into mutually hostile little regional entities, focussing on football rivalries, and grubbing for petty favours from Brussels.

Who are we, the former colonials to talk? Well, we've been quite busy up here. We've elected us a good Conservative government with a competent and smart Prime Minister at the helm, who's been doing some pretty good thigs, like keeping our economy humming...not a minor accomplishment these days.

But, most surprising, after decades of mainstream anti-monarchist brainwash pushed by our Liberal governments, the school systems and the once-monolithic media, our PM appears to recognize that there is a silent majority of loayalist, monarchist Canadians and little changes here and there are now happening. See, for example, http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/09/10/canada%E2%80%99s-royal-rebrand/.

You people probably cannot imagine what a tectonic shift this is for us. Things got so bad for a while, that today, most of my fellow Cannucks are still unaware that the head of our government is Her Majesty, thinking it's our PM or our Governor General (without asking, a first minister of what or a governor empowered by whom). To throw in a personal anecdote, I've been one of the very few to be flying the Red Ensign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Canadian_Red_Ensign.svg) alongside the Union Jack on Canada Day (formerly Dominion Day) since the mid nineties, instead of the silly 60s logo-like maple leaf flag shoved down our throats in a useless effort to appease the French of Quebec, who refuse to fly it anyway. That's led to quite a few confused questions and some arguments, but in the last couple of years I was astonished to see a a small but healthy crop of the Red Ensigns on private residences in some of Toronto's neighbourhoods. The Ensign is now being manufactured again and I'll be able to fold up, box and gracefully retire my patchy home-made version.

Now, all of this will come to naught for all of us if you folks go wobbly and continue on the dead-end path of turning into meek Euro-serfs, offering your skinny derrieres to the UN mafia, and mouthing obeisances to the Church of Holy Environment. Sorry, but here's my image of the once-fearful British lion: A tamed, mangy, politically correct pussycat shuffling about with sustainable string bags whilst ducking whirling wind turbine blades on his way home to make it in time to receive the latest set of instructions from the BBC on his taxed telly. Take that!

So, come on folks, khazh, khazakh! (Let us be strong! Let us be strong!) as we say in Hebrew, or as your Bard might have said today, "screw your courage to the sticking-place"!

11 September 2011 at 15:30  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Addendum: On second thought, the sentence with "A tamed, mangy, politically correct pussycat..." should read, "A tamed, mangy, neutered, politically correct pussycat..."

11 September 2011 at 15:43  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Avi
Sorry to be pedantic but the Union Flag is only referred to as the Union Jack when aboard ship and flown from the 'jack staff'

Appreciate your loyal sentiments though - such a pity the same are not more visible here in the UK.

Long Live Israel!

11 September 2011 at 16:11  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dreadnaught : but we would be misleading Avi in suggesting that the term 'Union Jack' is not almost universally misused, as a matter of course; excepting that is, by mateloes (and pedants). :o)

11 September 2011 at 16:54  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Ah, Avi Barzel

Always good to hear from you and the colonies...

The West needs a period of stability. Nothing of any consequence to change for decades as opposed to years.

As any school teacher will tell you, the children who shout the loudest in the playground are always the most stupid of the litter. And so it is with politically motivated adults. Best ignore them, as you are indeed right, the mass majority win every time with their dignified silence.

On the subject of the Union Flag, it was not so long ago when it was illegal to fly it in the UK without a licence. The Inspector remembers reading several accounts in the local press where tax payers money was wasted in this inane exercise. He thinks the legislation dated back to the 1930s when Moseley’s lot were causing trouble. The same goes for uniforms and peaked caps, though exceptions were made – the Salvation Army and the chauffeurs of the wealthy come to mind. If he’s wrong, he’ll be put right on this site, as surely as night follows day.

Incidentally, spot the text enhancement used. Dodo and I were favoured with the secret early this morning. He’s out there now somewhere using it, like a boy on his new bi cycle on Christmas day, bless him.

The Inspector General remains yours and the empire's most attentive servant.

11 September 2011 at 17:27  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Dreadnaught and Oswin,

Thanks for the info...as an incurable pedant, I actually love such discussions and will remember this distinction.

Oswin, googling has failed me this time, and now I'm burning to know what mateloes means; all part of that obsessive pedantic streak I have accepted as one of my yokes.

Cheers for Israel always warm the cockles of my heart. I can't help chuckling over the fact, though, that such won't come from Britain's offialdom and establishment, but, oddly enough, from a surprising number of folks on an Anglican blog run by the ghost of a long-dead archbishop. Go figure.

11 September 2011 at 17:36  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Inspector,

Relating to your remarks on restrictions on the Union Flag and peaked caps, of all things, I have noticed over the years that for the cradle of liberty, the UK has been slipping from time to time by acting, dear I say it, decidedly Continental or, forgive me if I inadvertantly insult, even somewhat French, where personal liberties are concerned. An incident where a whole town willingly submitted their DNA to the authorities after a gruesome sex crime comes to mind. In Canada you'd get maybe 60% compliance, whereas in the US, over 90% of citizens would respond to such a request with a resounding "eff-off" and a door slam.

I did notice the text enhancement; it's quite handsome and will make any of us who noticed your announcement look like snazzy HTML coders. Here's my attempt.

11 September 2011 at 17:50  
Blogger Oswin said...

Avi: 'matelot, matelow , mateloe' - British slang for a sailor of 'the Andrew' (suppressed sniggers) :o)

11 September 2011 at 18:25  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Thanks for the lead, Oswin; that I can take to Google. But I'm off now for a neigbourhood 9/11 commemoration sponsored by my synagogue, where I habitually serve as a next-to-useless volunteer security chap, but an excellent doorman for the elderly and the ladies with strollers. I'll be there, at the local park, checking bags and bulky coats, armed with nothing but a cb radio and a stern demeanour on my hirsute visage ... and, sniff, sniff, not even with my trusty lug wrench in the back pocket, which would certainly upset our local constabulary.

11 September 2011 at 18:55  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Avi

Personal freedoms have suffered under the socialist government we were unfortunately subjected to, until not even they could disguise or explain away their inherent incompetence and they were thrown out. A good example being the smoking ban. It’s immoral for a government to outlaw the practice on private property, they’ll be telling us what’s good for us next ! (...oh, suddenly realise all shades of political parties like doing that...). Would you believe the Houses of Parliament are exempt from said ban ! Still designated as a royal palace, you see – the hypocrisy of politicians knows no bounds. Ironically the French ignored the same EU legislation and that’s how it is today, a law not enforced over there.

Yes, the British are very good at implementing EU law. The other constituent countries spend a lot of time and effort either ignoring it, or finding ways round it ! Well, they have their own agendas to follow, and who can blame them. However, as most EU members are net gainers in cash terms, they’ve got to be careful in case some of the cash (....well, lets be honest, German, British, French money) is cut off...

Ah, single malt time approaches, and tonight’s toast will be to sanity regained (...the UK this is, not IG...)


Rule Britannia, and never ever being slaves, that's the way forward old man !!!

11 September 2011 at 18:59  
Blogger Oswin said...

Amen to that!

11 September 2011 at 19:05  
Blogger bluedog said...

Dear Communicants, and in particular Mr Avi Barzel

The whole point of the English parliament is to re-balance the constitutional arrangements of the UK. As Mr Farage says, to return equality to the representation. Just as in the USA, Canada and Australia the componenent states are bound in union under a Federal constitution, so in the United Kingdom the component kingdoms/principality/province will be bound. There will still be a UK Parliament just as there is today. But there will also be an English regional parliament.

Most importantly, there will still be a monarchy.

I am sure that is what Mr Farage is driving towards. The newly re-constituted UK will stand proud and free, splendidly isolated from the decaying morass of the European Union.

The demise of the EU is looming ever closer and is an increasing threat to the global ecenomy. We may yet see another credit crisis, risking a collapse in world trade.

11 September 2011 at 21:49  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Bluedog

As the Inspector General sees it, there cannot be another credit crisis in the EU. From a banking point of view, everything that can be is committed now...

Fortunately, the UK can remember back when it stripped to the waist and did nothing but fight Hitler for near on six on years. We’ve been through worse before. We’ll get by...

11 September 2011 at 22:06  
Blogger bluedog said...

OIG

I hope you are right!

To this communicant, the EU brains trust seem to have completely lost control and the whole thing is careering towards a disorderly finale.

History in the making and coming very soon.

11 September 2011 at 23:02  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Too right Bluedog

Cast your mind back to 1991, and the collapse of communism. Happened so fast it left the West rubbing it’s eyes...

11 September 2011 at 23:16  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Inspector and Bluedog,

First the easy stuff. Speaking of smoking bans, these have been the work of our provincial governments, and as in the EU...with the surprising exemption of France, of course...smoking is a banned in all idoor places, and some outdoor venues where people gather and might acquire massive lung cancers from smelling a bit of tobacco smoke. Our hopefully soon to be turfed Liberal dweeb of a premier even banned display of tobacco products, so all the corner stores have to hide their tobacco inventory behind display cases with opaque covers. Try remembering your brand when you've had one too many and you'd rather just point and say, d-h-e-e-give!

Speaking of one too manies and single malts...more easy stuff...one of our well-to-do congregants sponsored two bottles of Glenmorangie and a few plates of herring at the synagogue Sabbath luncheon, bless his generous soul. I've been shown how to drink the good stuff in the civilized manner, so I suffer with terrible guilt for days after so barbarically mistreating gentle single malts as if they were rye or, perish the thought, vodka, by knocking them back, Cossack-like, in a shotglass after shotglass and chasing them with a cut of salty shmaltz herring, a bit of onion and a cracker. Once upon a time I rebelled against such barbarism, but over time I learned to love the taste explosion. I hope that my admission will nor get me banned from the site here, from the company of Gentlemen, or from ever being admitted to the UK again. Anyway, if you think Jews mistreat single malts, at least fumbling through a haze of fish and crackers allows us to appreciate the taste for a few fleeting seconds. Many of our Anglo Canadian brethren, on the other hand, will actually mix it with Coke or gingerale, an act which begs for the return of the death sentence.

Thanks for the outline, Bluedog. I read it at least four times and hope there won't be a test, since I still can't say I get things. What's clear is that having a parliamentary democracy with a monarchy while being yoked to the EU presents some unique hurdles for anyone trying to disengage from Brussels...but also a nice range of mind-boggling procedural opportunities that only Brits can deftly utilize without the usual Continental dramas. There is hope, then, I'd like to think.

12 September 2011 at 03:49  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Avi

I pass on to you sound advice given to me on how to treat a single malt...

“Warm gently in hands, and draw slowly to lips” (...the same as how to treat a woman...)

12 September 2011 at 19:01  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

Ah, but a really good malt should also be watered a little.
UM?

13 September 2011 at 08:44  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

“Ah, but a really good malt should also be watered a little.”

{GASP!}

Good grief – we’re not talking Bells here !

Technically, you need a glass of water along with the single malt, to refresh the palate between sips. Personally, I have a pint of weak beer instead. Much more satisfying...

13 September 2011 at 18:45  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

NO
Laphroig, Talisker, Port Ellen, Islay, Springbank, Jura, Brora ...
I think you get the idea?

14 September 2011 at 09:02  
Blogger Oswin said...

Distillery promoters suggest anything goes, these days; whatever pleases the individual, is acceptable, they say. As long as they sell the stuff, they don't really care what you do with it afterwards.

Traditionally, with a quality malt, a wee dash of water, from the same source as the whisky, was considered satisfactory. Failing that near-impossibility, the merest wetting, from a soft-water spring; but never tap-water!

Personally, I prefer O.I.G's method, of a separate glass of spring-water; but NOT from a plastic bottle.

14 September 2011 at 17:41  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Glad you agree Oswin.

Yes, G Tingey, the Inspector recognises friends from amongst that list, and a good definition of a friend is one who hasn’t let you down.

With the nights drawing in, Single Malt becomes more important than ever. Always keen to keep the price down of this precious liquid, this water of life, the Inspector recommends Sainsbury own brand (“Taste the Difference”) available from the larger stores. Available in ‘Highland’ and ‘ Islay’ and maybe one or two more. The bottle he’s looking at is Highland 12 years old, and it’s conspicuous by it’s price, less than £ 20 for 70 cl. Superb stuff, as good as the branded types - you really can’t go wrong !!

A toast, here’s to all that’s good in life chaps...

14 September 2011 at 20:02  

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