Friday, September 16, 2011

A Just Peace for Palestine

Garth Hewitt on the forthcoming UN vote for a Palestinian state from Stephen Sizer on Vimeo.


The Rev'd Canon Garth Hewitt is introduced by this interviewer as a prophet, so His Grace will not argue.

The vision of A Just Peace for Palestine:
We are committed to a just peace for Palestine that affirms the dignity of the Palestinian people, in accordance with their civil, political and human rights under international law.

The current treatment of Palestinians denies their basic rights and therefore does not offer any hope of a lasting peace.

We affirm that a just peace for Palestinians will also mean peace and security for Israelis.

We reject all forms of racism that treats any group as ‘lesser’ or inferior.

Though religion can be a source of division and conflict, Jews, Christians and Muslims – as well as those of other faiths or none – can share a common commitment to ‘Doing unto others as you would have them do to you’. Whether from a faith group or not, we affirm this as a good foundation for going forward.

We recognise the history of the suffering of the Jewish community through the centuries and particularly the horror of the Holocaust. We affirm our rejection of anti-Semitism as we commit ourselves to justice for the Palestinians.

24 Comments:

Blogger john in cheshire said...

Let the arabs who are occupying the land known as palestine, go and live in Jordan. Perhaps then there will be peace in the middle east. But of course, there won't will there, because the muslims will not be satisfied until Israel ceases to exist (of course they'll still not be satisfied, because we are still here in kufar land). So, fight fire with fire is my suggestion. What's good for the goose.

16 September 2011 at 16:17  
Blogger Gnostic said...

There's none so blind as those who will not see...

16 September 2011 at 16:26  
Blogger Ariadne said...

John, very well said. Instead of going about my business I'm delayed by these Israel-haters.

No time to watch the video yet but the name "Stephen Sizer" rang an ugly bell.

No wonder: from a blog I'm not familiar with.

16 September 2011 at 16:27  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

The Gaza Strip is controlled by Hamas after Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections in January 2006[1] and ousted Fatah officials as part of the Battle of Gaza (2007).[2] Hamas' political and military rival, Fatah, controls the West Bank.[3] Both regimes regard themselves as the sole legitimate Palestinian government. For more information on this, see Fatah–Hamas conflict.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governance_of_the_Gaza_Strip
Hamas Principles -

The principles of the Hamas are stated in their Covenant or Charter, given in full below. Following are highlights.

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."


http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

What more need be said.

16 September 2011 at 16:52  
Blogger Ariadne said...

A little bit about that "man of peace", Abbas, perhaps, Dreadnaught.

Abbas: We will never recognise Israel as a Jewish state.

16 September 2011 at 17:42  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

Prophet Garth’s assumption that Islam observes the Golden Rule—‘Doing unto others as you would have them do to you’—falls at the first hurdle. Islam applies the Rule to its followers but not to the rest of us:

[48:29] Mohammed is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another.

16 September 2011 at 17:43  
Blogger Ariadne said...

Johnny, so correct. I hadn't wondered about the origin of the name Benghazi in spite of having heard so much about it in recent months.

Then I came across "ghazi" as a solution in a crossword puzzle and discover that it means "Among Mohammedans, a warrior champion or veteran, esp. in the destruction of infidels.".

What a peaceful religion!

16 September 2011 at 18:03  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

@ Ariadne—I didn’t know the meaning of ‘ghazi’, so thanks. My hopelessly inadequate Arabic dictionary hasn’t got ‘ghazi’ but it has got ‘ghaza’, to invade. The ‘ben’ in Benghazi means ‘son’ or ‘son of’.

16 September 2011 at 18:15  
Blogger Ariadne said...

Background to Garth Hewitt and others who appear wholly unChristian.

16 September 2011 at 18:17  
Blogger English Viking said...

There is no such country as Palestine, and there never has been, nor is there any such thing as a Palestinian, unless of course you mean an Israeli.

Your Grace,

I bet you a pound to a penny the vacillating moron Cameron abstains.

16 September 2011 at 19:34  
Blogger English Viking said...

BTW,

I got to 0.33 secs before the vomit started to rise.

'Though religion can be a source of division...'

THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, YOU MUPPET.

The sheep from the goats; the wheat from the tares; the righteous from the unrighteous; the sons of God from the sons of the Devil.

Has this man ever read The Bible?

'Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

The above are the words of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, as recorded in the gospel of Matthew, Chap 10, VV 34 - 36.

16 September 2011 at 19:45  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Prophet Garth

Jeremiah 14:14, "Then the LORD said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds."

Jeremiah 23:16, "This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD."

Matthew 7:22-23, "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name and in they name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

E S Blofeld

16 September 2011 at 20:47  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

We affirm that a just peace for Palestinians will also mean peace and security for Israelis.

Well, isn't that nice. Who is going to enforce it? And what are the Israelis supposed to do when the 'Just Peace' is used as a means to advance the struggle to eradicate Israel? I swear there are some people who will not believe the Palestinians mean ill to the Israelis until all the Jews in Israel are dead. At which point they will say "This is terrible. Who could have seen this coming?"

The Palestinians can have a 'Just Peace' when they earn the right to it. In the meantime, they can live with the rod, for they have justly earned every blow inflicted upon their backs.

carl

16 September 2011 at 21:45  
Blogger Ariadne said...

Well said, carl and Shabbat shalom!

16 September 2011 at 22:11  
Blogger Ariadne said...

And this seems a good place for a famous saying of Golda Meir: "When the Arabs love their children more than they hate us we will have peace.".

16 September 2011 at 22:16  
Blogger Atlas shrugged said...

This may seem off topic, but goes right to the very heart of the matter.

"It is my fervent prayer that a firm commitment to justice and a global culture of solidarity will help rid the world of the grievances that so often give rise to acts of violence and will create the conditions for greater peace and prosperity, offering a brighter and more secure future."

His Holy Father is most surely referring to the long standing Israel/Palestine situation, among a few remaining others.

These clearly fine words would seem to be perfectly innocuous. Indeed the sort of words one has come to expect from a politician on the make, rather then that of a spiritual leader.

Which is the point.

Where are the references to the will of GOD?

GODS laws, or that of man?

We are judged in another place, are we not? Not in a man made court, comprised of, appointed by God only knows judges, barristers and lawyers. This is the realm of the POLITICIAN, not of a spiritual leader.

What is all this 'GLOBAL' stuff all about???????????? You may have noticed that his Holy Father can hardly finish a paragraph these days without using this highly charged word.

The ONLY, repeat ONLY organization that has made claim to having a God given right to control the entire GLOBE is The Vatican. The ONLY, repeat ONLY organization that has ever come close to achieving such an unassailable position on both the Temporal and Spiritual levels, is The Vatican.

Indeed I would personally claim that The Vatican actually achieved this position, and held firmly on to it ever since, a very long time ago.

Some say, since the apparent fall of The Roman Empire. Which as we should all know did not actually fall at all, but simply carried on in a place which is now called Turkey for the next thousand or so years, eventually reforming itself under the name of The Holy Roman Empire, under the Roman Catholic Church.

The power of this organization has now increased to such an enormously, virtually unknowable temporal level that I am reasonably sure not even the Vatican itself is completely sure how powerful, rich and above all influential, it has now become.

Given this amount of GLOBAL wealth, power, and above all influence at all kinds of levels, it would seem to me that His Holy Father has long since had the power not to just pray for peace, but to actually make it happen. Get it?

OK, please let me put it this way.

His Holy Father sometimes reminds me of my own father, when he used to complain about having to cut his large lawn every two weeks.

I used to think to myself, if my father did not want to spend so much time cutting his very own lawn, why did he most deliberately buy a house with such an incredibly large one.

Also if he had now grown bored with cutting grass, why did he not simply concrete the whole garden flat, so that myself and friends could better play football, or cricket on it? Get it?

Ok, lets try explaining the situation yet another way.

If you really want to stop wasting so much time cutting grass, then stop investing so much of your considerable wealth and power promoting large lawns all over the entire planet, or indeed GLOBE. Get it?

If not, I give up.

17 September 2011 at 00:34  
Blogger Gavin said...

One thing I noticed about Mr Hewitt's interview: When he speaks about Israel (or America), he talks about the Israeli/American leadership and politicians. That is to say, he refers to those countries in terms of their political might. However, when he speaks of Palestine, he does not once refer to Hamas or to the Palestinian Authorities; instead he talks only of "the Palestinians" or "the Palestinian people". Thus, he gives the impression of a tribe of leaderless, powerless, defenceless people being oppressed by the might of huge political giants.
At one point (around 2 or 3 minutes in), he even says something along the lines of "in negotiations, both sides must be equal, you can't have one side 'bombing away indiscriminately', or words to that effect. Yet, please tell me, which side is launching indiscriminate rocket attacks upon the other side?

I find Hewitt's choice of language slightly misleading in this interview, for that reason. I think that the major obstacle in the search for peace is not the Palestinian people, but the Palestinian Leadership. Hewitt seems to be side-stepping this point.

17 September 2011 at 02:18  
Blogger bluedog said...

Your Grace

The day a Palestinian state is formed will be the day that a Palestinian civil war breaks out. The chances of Hamas and Fatah resolving their differences by anything other than force of arms is zero. There will be no equality in their negotiation, it will be all about domination by bombing.

Presumably 'Garth' is educated. But it is a long time since this communicant heard an educated man talking such complete tripe for so long. 'Garth' the comic strip is much better value than Canon Garth Hewitt the hopeless dreamer. At least the comic strip knows better than to take itself seriously.

17 September 2011 at 11:11  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Ariadne said 16 September 2011 22:16

And this seems a good place for a famous saying of Golda Meir: "When the Arabs love their children more than they hate us we will have peace."

Saw the brilliant 2 part documentary style film with Ingrid Bergmann in the role of Golda Meir.

Just as Churchill was a rock and inspiration to our nation in dark times so was Golda during the crisis's that hit her nation.

Israel is FORBIDDEN by God Almighty to give away land for ANY reason especially peace, for the reason that it is not their's but His, which the nations dispute over. Their predicament, Israel, is that they try to go it alone without Him.

Shalom, old girl.

Ernsty

17 September 2011 at 11:50  
Blogger Ariadne said...

Ernst and Tiddles

I didn't know about that film but I suspect it might have gilded the lily. It was obviously striking.

The Yom Kippur War was awful for Israel and Golda and Dayan must have been just figureheads.

This 2004 article is very interesting in that it shows a young socialist becoming sensible and it shows some reality concerning Israel's plight that doesn't often get an airing.

17 September 2011 at 18:02  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Atlas

You're far too preoccupied with the supposed temporal power of the Vatican.

The quote you cite was prefaced with words:
"Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ!"

It was also a prayer:
"It is my fervent prayer.." for a "commitment to justice and a global culture of solidarity" not a bid for world domination or a new world order.

Ps
Maybe you father was hoping you'd listen and help with cutting the grass. Perhaps he didn't want to move or concrete the lawn over. Did you ever lend a hand?

17 September 2011 at 18:13  
Blogger len said...

Garth Hewitt has approached the 'Palestinian problem'as one who knows nothing of the plans and purposes of God .Garth Hewitt presumably knows nothing about the Covenants God made with the Jews regarding His Land Israel.
So as Mr Hewitt has approached the 'Palestinian problem'with a secular mindset his opinions must be placed with all those who are unaware of the real issues involved.

17 September 2011 at 23:07  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

"'Though religion can be a source of division...'THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT, YOU MUPPET." (English Viking) The Vikingr battle axe strikes true again! LOL!

"Israel is FORBIDDEN by God Almighty to give away land for ANY reason especially peace, for the reason that it is not their's but His, which the nations dispute over. Their predicament, Israel, is that they try to go it alone without Him." (Ernst) Pains me to admit this, Ernst, but very true.

"The day a Palestinian state is formed will be the day that a Palestinian civil war breaks out." (bluedog) Funny, how neither the geniuses in Brussels who came up with this unilateral statehood idea, nor the "smart power" president seem to have considered this unfortunate possibility.

And more good stuff here. You people rock. Just got back from an exhausting cross-continental trip with a few tons of produce strapped to my butt, sans laptop and with a ten buck watch, to avoid unnecessarily testing the integrity of the Mexico customs officers, and it warms the cockles of my heart to see that all that can be said about these events, and more, has been said here. Thanks, all, this means I can nap for a day or two.

19 September 2011 at 02:02  
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21 September 2011 at 17:52  

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