Friday, September 30, 2011

Tory Eurosceptic froth and bubble

It seems almost perfectly timed, on the eve of the Conservative Party Conference. The Spectator prominently carries the story, as does the Mail, along with the Telegraph.

It transpires that the UK has been requested by the EU Commission to pay welfare to all EU nationals, which could cost us up to £2.5bn. So much for the Coalition’s welfare reforms: as our elected government squeezes British nationals and forces the indolent into work, our unelected government obliges us to fork out for ‘benefit tourists’, who will readily find British benefits to be vastly more beneficial than those of Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Hungary...

Yes, if life is just a bit too hard on your Polish peasant farm, come to Britain and we’ll give you a house, pay your rent, pay your council tax, feed your kids, educate them, give you a GP, limitless healthcare, a dentist, pension credits and sundry loans, all before you’ve paid a penny in tax. We tried to stem the tide with the ‘right to reside test’, but that’s now been ruled ‘discriminatory’. In the EU, you see, all citizens are equal: we all have the right to reside wherever we please (except, of course, for citizens of those countries who joined in 2004 who may be subject to temporary restrictions in, say, France and Germany).

Essentially, Britain’s rules on welfare discriminate against foreigners. But in the EU, there are no foreigners: we are all Europeans. Ergo, the British Government may not impose any ‘right to reside’ test upon any EU citizen which it does not apply to its own citizenry.

And now we have two months to bring our rules into line with the EU norm, otherwise we’ll be dragged (again) to the European Court of Justice and humiliated (again).

So, lots of irritation from the Eurosceptic press; lots of indignation from Eurosceptic ministers. All just in time for the Prime Minister to spout about national sovereignty, British resistance to the encroaching superstate and our inviolable red lines.

If the European Court of Justice upholds the Commission’s request, economically inactive people will be able to move between EU member states just to claim benefits, without any intention of working or contributing to the member state’s system.

It’s ever closer union. As long as we remain an EU member, it’s as unavoidable as the rain.

So, before you get caught up in revived hopes of the rise of Conservative Euroscepticism, please remember that we’re in a coalition with the most rabidly Europhile party in Britain, and that it has to last until 2015. Please remember that last year, a European Court judgement forced David Cameron to agree to allow prisoners to vote. Please remember that there has been no promised examination of the Working Time Directive, despite its disruptive effects on the NHS. Please remember that despite promises to decimate (at least) red tape, EU regulations keep pouring in, strangling British businesses. Please remember that the Prime Minister agreed to a 2.9 per cent increase in our EU contributions, despite promising to Parliament and the Country that there would be none. Please remember that one of his first acts was to opt in to the ‘European Investigation Order’ which obliges British police forces to act on the orders of other EU police forces, with or without primary evidence, and even for actions which are not criminal act in the UK.

And please remember the Conservative Party conference of 1999, when John Maples proudly proclaimed the party’s intention to renegotiate the Treaty of Rome. To deafening cheers and rapturous applause, he declared:
One of our first acts in government will be to negotiate an amendment to the Treaty of Rome, to allow each country the freedom to decide for itself whether or not to apply new European legislation outside that core.

This will stop the slide to a superstate. No longer will Britain be bound by every anti-business, nanny state, interfering regulation dreamt up by the Commission.

...If the European Union develops into a Federal Superstate, then Britain will simply be a province of that superstate. The single currency could well lead to a single tax policy. The social chapter will lead to a single social policy. The common foreign and security policy will lead to a European Army.

That is where Mr Blair is leading us. If he wins the next election, he will do it. How will we explain that to our grandchildren? Are we just going to sit back and watch a thousand years of history signed away? Is that the way to honour generations who gave so much for our freedom and independence?


It is our duty and I believe our destiny to stop that ever happening. When our grandchildren ask “What did you do to preserve Britain’s independence?” let us make sure we can say, “We won the 2001 general election. We created an open, outward looking, free market Europe. We leave to you the same free and independent Britain that we inherited."
Pantomime. Playing to the gallery. Froth and bubble. Pure sophistry. You can expect a bit more of it over the coming week. By their fruits ye shall know them.


Blogger DanJ0 said...

I suppose the rationale behind the EU citizen thing is that labour needs to be able to migrate to follow the work and the capital. How do we actually get out of this situation? Practically, I mean.

30 September 2011 at 09:54  
Blogger Tom Paine said...

We apply a qualifying period as a taxpayer to all benefits - including those for native Britons. It's not discriminatory, so it's legal. It's also a jolly good idea. No-one could then go straight from school onto the dole or - via pregnancy - into a council house. A condition that you had to have five years National Insurance 'stamps' (remember those) before you drew your first benefit would clear the islands of both benefits cheats AND economic migrants. It would also transform the attitudes of certain parents toward their children's education.

30 September 2011 at 10:19  
Blogger peedeel said...

I don't believe Dangerous Dave will do anything to rock the EU boat, frankly.

Ultimately Cameron is as committed to the European experiment as is his mate, Nicky Clegg...and Cleggy, bless him, will be in line for a top EU job if he ceases to head the LibDems in the not to distant future.

It’s all smoke and mirrors.

Dangerous Dave and Cleggy have so much in common: the pair of them seem to lack any genuine attachment to a discernible idea with respect to developing the UK’s position in Europe, both are careerists whose privileged background has been a conveyor belt to the fact Cleggy flirted for awhile with the concept of conservatism while working with Leon Brittan in the EU Commission, but then backed away, only to effortlessly glide upwards; ascending like the cherubim from public school to the College of Europe, to the Commission, to MEP, then MP and leader of the LibDems. Sadly little Nicky has left no political footprint, because he’s totally lacking in ideas.

And Dangerous Dave is little more than an identity kit picture of Cleggy…the Independent reported on Wednesday 7th September 2011, ‘David Cameron today insisted Britain must make Europe "work for us" as he again ruled out holding an "in out" referendum.

‘During Prime Minister's questions he was urged to listen to the calls of Conservative eurosceptics who want a swift vote on the UK's relationship with the EU.

‘But Mr Cameron, who is meeting President of the European Council Herman Van Rompuy today, insisted there was "no case" for a vote.

‘Mr Cameron said: "I want us to be influential in Europe about the things that matter to our national interest - promoting the single market, pushing forward for growth, making sure we get lower energy prices.

‘ "Those are things we will be fighting for but I don't see the case for an in out referendum on Europe.

‘ "We are in Europe, we have got to make it work for us."

So today’s hymn is ‘Make it work for us’ and while the Parliamentary choir are busy singing their little hearts out, unelected officials, like van Rompuy, laugh themselves hoarse.

30 September 2011 at 10:25  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

How do we actually get out of this situation? Practically, I mean.

You don't let people in the Country who don't have a job to come to. No Job - no entry. Lose your job - get another one or go back.

30 September 2011 at 10:40  
Blogger peedeel said...

Tom Paine said: “ go straight from school onto the dole or…”

As far as I’m aware, young people aged 16 and 17 can only claim benefits in cases of exceptional hardship; they should normally receive support from their parents. Nor can a school leaver claim benefit during the gap between their formal education and further education...

30 September 2011 at 10:53  
Blogger Gnostic said...

Conservative Euroscepticism? Are you 'avin' a larf Yer Grace?


30 September 2011 at 11:01  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Peedeel 30 September 2011 10:25

Congratulation, sir, on a most incisive and excellent post and the reasons why old Ernst is apolitical.

So much for Iron Clad Dave, it seems like metal fatigue has set in! When he retorted that he was proud to say he was a 'child of Thatcher' rather than a 'son of Brown' he forgot to add his most precious accolade as that of 'true heir to Blair' and all that entails. Sheer theatrics and as damned good a Janus as Blair ever was!

All political parties appear to be taking their lead from the Energy Industry, which is to be as bad as each other therefore thwarting any hope that one stands out as a choice, threby maintaining the status quo.
It ends up becoming a massive gamble of 'The devil you think you know rather than the devil you don't'! They hope we are gullable enough to swallow it as in 2011 but they have all shown their true colours since.

It is no use His Grace quoting certain Mp's such as Hague who, once the party says 'tow the line folks', they step quickly and neatly into position .

The government does indeed 'always get in' as the saying goes, irrespective of your vote and their cast iron promises.

Ernst has just about given up hope of getting this blasted EU Referendum unless he takes a step into the unknown with another party outside the 3 main party scammers.*GULP*

Insurgency any one?

"sanna fanna rassin cassin rassin dassan, Dave Dastardly"

E S Blofeld


Just in time for the Conservative Party, for one week only, panto season.

Eurosceptics are the ones with the twirly tash and can be distinguished by the cries from neo-conservatives/luvvies and Ken 'Buttons' Clarke that 'they're behind you' 'boo', 'hiss'.

30 September 2011 at 11:05  
Blogger C.Law said...

In the same vein, this article from the Telegraph: by Peter Oborne and Frances Weaver.

It really is time the europhiles were brought to account.

30 September 2011 at 11:06  
Blogger Phil Taylor said...

What I can't work out is what the politicians are so afraid of losing if we pull out of Europe. I mean, if the British public want out then that should be the end of it. Instead we have them all claiming they want to know our views in a vote and then don't do it.
So we'd no longer decide how Europe grows as an entity, so what! So we'd have to actually do some thinking for ourselves about our country's laws, so what! Pull your fingers out guys, suck it up and give the public what they clearly want, a chance to tell you that we want out of Europe!

30 September 2011 at 11:26  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

Phil Taylor said... "What I can't work out is what the politicians are so afraid of losing if we pull out of Europe"

Are you joking? Do you know how much a european commissioner gets paid? Do you know all the perks they have? Do you know how much power they have? Do you know how much accountability they are subjected to? Answer those questions and I think you'll find the answer to your own question quite easy to figure out.

And what's this Cranmer ... do I detect a distinct disenchantment with the tribe? About time.

30 September 2011 at 11:55  
Blogger Johnny Rottenborough said...

It must by now be clear to all but the chronically deranged that Britain’s European adventure has seen us impoverished (both financially and democratically), browbeaten and humiliated. That the Conservative Party refuses to consider withdrawal presumably means it is satisfied with that state of affairs, and intends to press on to the ever closer union envisaged by the Treaty of Rome.

The Conservatives will still be able to count on the chronically deranged vote but those who wish an end to Britain’s EU membership should stop voting Tory, and let the party know of their decision. The prospect of losing power concentrates the mind of even the dimmest politician.

30 September 2011 at 12:16  
Blogger Owl said...

"That the Conservative Party refuses to consider withdrawal"

You are refering of course to the Pink Conservatives. The real Conservative party is not in power and has nothing to say in the matter.

Dave the Knave is just taking his orders.

Some people tend to ridicule Atlas for his conspiracy theories, I assure you that they are not just theories.

We are watching the takeover by the elite with the superb assistance of the Fabians on a day by day basis.

On a brighter note, it's good to note that HG has seen the light.

30 September 2011 at 12:47  
Blogger graham wood said...

"And now we have two months to bring our rules into line with the EU norm, otherwise we’ll be dragged (again) to the European Court of Justice and humiliated (again)".

No doubt Tory conference speakers will regale us again with their hypocritical and artificial righteous indignation over this,
but I's sure that the British electorate is not fooled by such tricks.

If it is only a "request" to comply tnen of course, to use Cameron's overworked phrase, it would fall to him to "do the right thing". But he will not do so for he lacks backbone.

Incidentally, since when was the UK obligated to obey diktats emanating from the EU and mountainous "legal" impositions on our governance when the EU itself flagrantly ignores its own ordained legal sanctions prohibiting financial bail-outs for member states under Maastricht and subsequent treaties?

Who will take the EU Commission to the ECJ and indict it before its own court?

30 September 2011 at 12:58  
Blogger Scribe said...

So basically, British democracy is an oxymoron? In the sense that we can vote and subsequently get a government that continues on a path of EU consolidation, regardless of what it claims to stand for.

Beyond voting for UKIP out of protest, what is the next logical step?

Within this generation, will we see terrorist acts commited in the name of British independence, or is it just the case that no-one really cares that much?

30 September 2011 at 14:02  
Blogger Phil Taylor said...

@rebelsaint - I should point out I was talking about UK politicians, specifically those in the Commons. Or are you suggesting that every single one of them (or at least a majority, particularly those in power) all want to get those lucrative jobs?

30 September 2011 at 14:21  
Blogger Oswin said...

I don't know how far it all goes before it bursts wide open; but rest assured, it surely will.

Unfortunately, it is almost inevitable that Britain will suffer a terrible mauling during the death throes of the EU. All our previous participations in European ventures have ended thus; but hopefully without the body-bags, this time around.

30 September 2011 at 14:46  
Blogger Rebel Saint said...

@Phil Taylor ... everyone at cabinet level must have an eye on a nice EU job. The average backbencher is just voting fodder, who have to do what the whips say if they want to keep their job.

30 September 2011 at 14:53  
Blogger IanCad said...

Time for mass disobedience.
Oops! the masses don't care.
Not time yet for a Cromwell. After a few more years, who knows?

30 September 2011 at 15:18  
Blogger tory boys never grow up said...

Not only Tory froth and bubble but the usual factual inaccuracies I'm afraid.

Details of the actual request from the EU Commission can be found here

As those who bother to read it will see it was occaisoned by the case of an Italian worker who came to work in the UK with his Italian parent company (and paid our taxes) and was then made redundant. I very much doubt that it is meant to apply to Cranmer's made up case of a Polish Peasant.

It is unlikely that we will end up being dragged before the EU Court of Justice - and the Comiision have not made any such decision at present. 95% of these notices don't end up going anywhere near the EU Court of Judgement and are usually resolved by a few tweaks to the local requirements and looking at how other countries do things. Given that the French and the Germans are supporting us on this - this is my guess as to what will happen.

Even if we did go to the EU Court of Justice - this is not the same court as where the prisoner's decision was made. That is the European Court of Human Rights - where we ended up because we signed the European Convention on Human Rights - just as every European Country has done apart from that Conservative Eurosceptic Beacon of Belarus.

As for the Government forcing the the "indolent into work" could I perhaps suggest that Cranmer pays a little more attention to the far greater numbers that it is actually forcing to be "indolent" - rather than engaging in the old right wing game of blaming others of which this "froth and bubble" is yet another classic example.

Cue more froth and bubble - or perhaps more accurately waht we call foaming at the mouth!

30 September 2011 at 15:59  
Blogger Albert said...

The Tories on Europe are risking looking like the US Republicans on abortion. There are lots of fine words but little action. They can expect the same loss of support as a result. Considering Cameron couldn't even beat Brown outright after years of unpopular Labour rule, a loss of support would be serious indeed.

Isn't it time that the Tories realised that what is needed is more conviction on Conservative matters, not less?

30 September 2011 at 16:42  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Your Grace

An excellent post indeed. It’s why the Inspector General frequents your virtual palace, much like a Roma gypsy violinist in an English high street, biding his time before he makes the real money after dark from metal theft.

The Inspector is a bit of a logistician. He’s proud to live in a country that provides the finest welfare benefits in the world. He’s extremely proud to live in England, whereby the scrounging immigrant doesn’t even have to unpack his suitcase before social security officials, falling over themselves, whisk him and his sizeable family to grand accommodation. But most of all, he’s especially proud to be part of the EU, which seems to be getting ever nearer the benevolent communism that was the wish of early armchair revolutionaries, before Uncle Joe and Chairman Mao put them up against a wall…

Now, here’s the problem... There’s so many visitors of a permanent nature of limited means in the country now, that we’re hard pressed to accommodate them all. Well, this will never do. He has an excellent suggestion (…as always). He’d like to call it, immodestly, the Inspector General’s Law.

This law would force all who owned homes worth at least £ 1 million, and importantly, EVERY politician who owns his or her home, to let out rooms at social housing rents to our ever streaming flood of guests from abroad. Failure to do so on demand will result in ownership of the home being transferred to the immigrant, who would then be asked to let back rooms to the former owners.

The Inspector General is quite convinced this will finish off England. But if you've got to go, as they say, go out in style, what !

30 September 2011 at 17:34  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

We should be like Norway and Switzerland
IN - Schengen
OUT - of the EU

Simple, isn't it?

30 September 2011 at 18:18  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

We shoud be like Norway & Switzerland ...
IN - Schengen
OUTY - of the EU


30 September 2011 at 18:19  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

You guys really don't get this, do you? A European superstate would be great because:
1] It would allow buisness people to buy their politicians at the one-stop cash-and-carry in Brussels, rather than having to go from parliament to parliament around Europe buying a chancellor here, a prime minister there, etc;
2] Once bought, the europols could then override any national legislation under the Treaty of Rome and its amending treaties;
3] Politicians at the European level ar pretty much immune to the wants of the herd, so our practically minded business leaders would not have to be bothered about public opinion when they want useful laws railroaded through.

Get with the programme, folks.

30 September 2011 at 19:57  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Corrigan 1

Excellent piss taking of the Euro dream. Do continue in that style, my good man...

30 September 2011 at 20:03  
Blogger len said...

The thing that amazes me is how on earth were Countries persuaded to come into the EU in the first place?.
I think it went something like this...........Then they said, "Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth."(Genesis 11:4)
The architects of the European Union recognize the parallel between the Tower of Babel and their efforts to "construct" a new Europe. The Council of Europe used a poster of the Tower of Babel to promote the construction of Europe.
The empire of Charlemagne, and the medieval "Holy Roman Empire" are also cited as models of continental unity. Yet these empires were not exactly models of peace, harmony or unity. The "Christianity" adopted by the Roman Empire was mixed with paganism, as doctrinal controversies divided both church and empire Charlemagne expanded his "Christian" empire through military conquests, and conversions often came at the point of a sword. Medieval "Christendom" saw bitter rivalries between popes and emperors who waged wars against each other in the heart of Europe. Napoleon also attempted to unify Europe under the crown of the "Holy Roman Emperor." His goal was to redraw the map of Europe, establish a common legal system and bring peace to a troubled continent, by the force of French arms. Less than a century later, Hitler set out on a similar path using German military force.
The' E U is the' dream come true'for those who wish to 'unite' Europe and bring about the same situation that Nimrod desired which was to set up a satanic 'religious/political system ' in opposition to God.
I think the EU has passed the point of 'no return' and there is no way back only for those who make their personal choice to have no part of her.

30 September 2011 at 20:56  
Blogger Span Ows said...

"Essentially, Britain’s rules on welfare discriminate against foreigners."

Ha! What an effing laugh: can anyone name any other country that provides multi language forms AND help to fill in?

30 September 2011 at 21:17  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

And who negotiated our entry into the "common market"knowing full well what it intended to become?none other than mr eussr himself ,Rothschild.

1 October 2011 at 08:31  
Blogger peedeel said...

Ultimately, it’ll come to nothing...the Judges of any court, European or otherwise, will look at article 7(1) of the Free Movement Directive, shake their heads and deeply sigh: article 7(1) explains CLEARLY the right of an EU citizen to reside wherever they want within the EU, PROVIDING they have “sufficient resources for themselves and their family members not to become a burden on the social assistance system of the host Member State”.

1 October 2011 at 09:07  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Englishman @ 08.31, with respect you are behind the times. It's no longer Rothschild who rules the world but Goldman Sachs, according to the BBC. Which probably explains why GS is retrenching staff and reporting ever lower profits - a conspiracy to conceal their strength, no doubt.

Your Grace, the Euroelite (includes Dave and Clegg) are in denial. They believe that more Euro-integration will solve the problem that Euro-integration has caused. What seems significant is that some members of the British press (Oborne, Hastings, Speccie) have retained their critical faculties to the extent they can look through the Euro-ideology to the underlying truth; the EU simply does not work. If it did work, evety meeting of the EU would cease to be a crisis meeting, as they all are.

Because the EU leadership have yet to accept that the EU as currently constituted does not work, it requires a cataclysmic event to wake them up. This shock can only come from a PIIGS nation, who collectively have the power to bankrupt France and Germany. Importantly, the reverse is not true. There is nothing France and Germany, or the EU itself, can do to bankrupt say, Greece, because neither France, Germany or the EU is the occupying power of Greece. The Greek government remains the occupying power of Greece and that government will do nothing that risks destruction of Greek society. In short, your communicant suggests that the Greeks will continue to do what they have always done, take the money and ignore Brussels, Paris and Berlin.

So things are even worse that the EU elite believe. Certainly Dave shows absolutely no understanding of the underlying problem. Clegg is clearly smoking something truly exotic. He proudly declared at the Lib-Dem conference, 'We are going to take Britain into the Euro'.

Should one laugh or cry at such utter disconnect from reality?

Pantomime indeed.

1 October 2011 at 09:35  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

DanJo said

How do we actually get out of this situation? Practically, I mean.

In my view there is only one way, leave the EU. Every other measure mentioned, like no job no entry, 5 years stamp before benefits etc, would be over ruled by the bloody EU(Forth Reich)

1 October 2011 at 11:05  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Marurecheese: "In my view there is only one way, leave the EU."

That was actually what I meant. How do we get out of it in practical terms. Sure, we can revoke the treaties on which membership is founded but the work to set stuff back up again seems rather daunting to me. Shifting to (say) a secular State seems very more trivial in comparison yet that amound of work on its own seems to worry His Grace.

1 October 2011 at 11:12  
Blogger Maturecheese said...

Funny how we cannot discriminate when it comes to other EU nationals coming here for ' benefit tourism' but the Dutch on the other hand....

The European Court of Justice ruled last December that Dutch authorities could bar foreigners from cannabis-selling coffee shops because they were combating drug tourism.

1 October 2011 at 12:00  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

bluedog because neither France, Germany or the EU is the occupying power of Greece.

You have the Inspector speculating. It wouldn’t be the first time German ‘police’ units were sent to Greece to ‘restore order’. Fritz really can’t help himself when it comes to ‘influencing’ Europe. You’ve more hope of stopping city negroes smashing up their back yard at the drop of a hat (...or drop of a really gentle armed black drug dealer).

There will come a time when the latest EU directive, to be obeyed at all times states German to be the official language of the EU. When it happens, it will be too late. Resistance is useless. For you England, it is over....

1 October 2011 at 12:22  
Blogger bluedog said...

OIG, Sah!

Fritz has been thoroughly house-trained by the Allied Control Commission and is still following his programming - constitutional democracy, rule of law etc. The Germans really do seem exceptionally risk averse at present, look at their flabby performance in the Hindu-Kush, for example. One can hardly imagine the German Army attempting a victory lap of the Balkans. Unless of course the Italians go first, stuff up, and need to be bailed out.

But note in the press how the Greek civil service is denying internationally appointed inspectors general from access to government records. Not a big step from there to destruction of the records!

The Greeks have the EU over a barrel, but they seem to lack the confidence to play their hand as hard as they should. Or maybe we are not being told.

1 October 2011 at 12:50  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

Guys, do you mind if I ask a favour? Don't be too "John Bullish" about "Europeans". As it happens, I'm not British myself, but I share much of the disgust and atavistic hatred of the EU we see on this site, and for exactly the same reasons. What the EU is doing to Britain, it's doing to every other nation in Europe; it's not just a question of all the "Europeans" ganging up on poor old England. This is very much a caste thing, and the members of the ruling caste of Europe owe absolutely no allegiance to whatever state they may hail from, be it Britain, France, Germany or Lilliput. They are in it entirely and exclusively for their own personal benefit and for no other reason whatever. Try to remember that when you're raging about "the Europeans". You've got a lot of potential allies out here, did you but know it.

1 October 2011 at 13:28  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Stand easy bluedog

The Inspector notes that Germany is now free of all post WWII conditions and is, and has been for some considerable time, a free agent. True, it has not desired to ‘help out’ multinational military initiatives, but a cynic would suggest there has yet to be an intervention to which Germany holds or held any interest in the outcome.

The Inspector also suggests that from day one of membership of the EU, Greece viewed the organisation as a cash cow to enrich it’s own people. Government records will confirm this, and when found, no doubt cause a certain amount of infuriation amongst the saps who paid for it all. Step forward, the Germans.

Now, any danger of the EU dream breaking up, and Germany will be there, to support the beleaguered government of course, with ‘advisors’ first...

1 October 2011 at 13:28  
Blogger Owl said...


Well said.

Bilderbergers, Fabians, CFR, RIIA etc. are all supranational.

Our European monarchies are related and although Beatrix is openly leading, the rest are undoutably involved.

The average French or German has no more say in the matter than we do.

Good point.

1 October 2011 at 21:02  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Corrigan1, apologies for descent into parody.

You are of course correct and it is clear that the Euro-mass is being lead down a path to Hell by the Euro-elite. The people of France, the Netherlands and Ireland have had their democratic wishes ignored and corrupted. They should by now be very angry yet they remain supine. At some point new political parties and political leadership will emerge in Europe and every EU office will burn.

It seems the Germans are intent on being German, have no wish to be submerged in Europe, and are afraid of losing their hard won gains. The Germans show no current desire to dominate Europe, and the British politician Nicholas Ridley was wrong to claim that they did.

If there is anyone seeking to create a 1000 year Reich it is the EU leadership, all drawn from minor nations and not popularly elected. 1000 years on the gravy-train is a worthy goal for those non-entities.

For the British this is hard, but the most important thing at this stage in European history is to trust the good sense of the German people. The future peace and prosperity of Europe may depend on their collective wisdom and their decisions. The institutions of the German constitution will be critical in the decision making processes of the German people, and they are blessed with a very good constitution.

This communicant frequently urges that the 1978 Spanish constitution, a monarchic form of the German constitution, be adopted by the UK.

Just done it again!

1 October 2011 at 22:12  
Blogger C.Law said...


Regrettably, the German parliament did not make a stand this week on the question of the next bailout for Greece.

2 October 2011 at 03:09  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr C.Law @ 03.09, yes, but no.

The German lower house permitted a 440m Euro extension of the stability fund when 1.8 trillion was required to solve the Euro problem rather than feed its growth.

In the upper house, 'Marcel Huber, Bavaria’s Staatskanzleichef, gave an explicit warning that the Free State of Bavaria will not take one step further towards an EMU fiscal union or debt pool.

“A collectivisation of debts will under no circumstances be accepted. We oppose credit lines for the EFSF or leveraging through the ECB. Our message is simple and clear.”

Courtesy of Ambrose Evans-Pritchard of the Daily Telegraph.

Setting aside anything Angela Merkel may say, the Germans have had enough of the Euro, don't you think?

2 October 2011 at 08:16  
Blogger len said...

The Tory Conference will indeed be'froth and bubble' and quite possibly a few promises which will never come to fruition.
As many will say "What`s the point?.

2 October 2011 at 08:59  

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