Tuesday, November 15, 2011

Cameron: "What kind of Europe do we want?"

Angela Merkel: "The task of our generation is to complete economic and monetary union, and build political union in Europe, step by step. That does not mean less Europe, it means more Europe. If the euro fails, then Europe will fail.

David Cameron: "Change brings opportunities, an opportunity to begin to refashion the EU so it better serves this nation’s interests and the interests of its other 26 nations too. An opportunity, in Britain’s case, for powers to ebb back instead of flow away, and for the European Union to focus on what really matters. That is the kind of fundamental reform I yearn for, and I am determined to do everything possible to deliver it."

If these statements are not mutally exclusive, there is certainly a chasm between them of the order of that which separates heaven from hell. Chancellor Merkel helpfully confirms that the ECSC/EEC/EC/EU project was and is about political union; not mere matters of trade, as we were told in 1973. She also succinctly confirms the Monnet/Schuman doctrine of the incremental fusion of nation states. 'Fused’ is the word Monnet used in 1952, and is wholly consistent with the language of EU treaties. For this to be achieved without the peoples of Europe realising what was happening, the plan was to be accomplished in successive steps. Each was to be disguised as having an economic purpose, but all, taken together, would inevitably and irreversibly lead to federation.

After Europe’s coal and steel production were pooled, Europe’s atomic programmes were to be co-ordinated. Then would follow the Common Agricultural Policy and the Common Market. After this would come the single currency, and so on. The anti-EEC leaflet of the 1975 referendum plainly set out the dangers of such a federation, warning: ‘The fundamental question is whether or not we remain free to rule ourselves in our own way... the Common Market...sets out by stages to merge Britain with France, Germany, Italy and other countries into a single nation... our right, by our votes, to change policies and laws in Britain will steadily dwindle.’ Hugh Gaitskell uttered the same warning at the 1962 Labour Party Conference, when he spoke of ‘the end of Britain as an independent nation state... the end of a thousand years of history. You may say “let it end” but, my goodness, it is a decision that needs a little care and thought.’

It would be easy to confuse Gaitskell with today's 'xenophobic right-wing swivel-eyed loons'. But successive European treaties have shown that his fears were not without foundation. The question for Mr Cameron is what will he do if France and Germany proceed (as they will) with 'more Europe'? Eurosceptic-sounding speeches are all well and good, but there comes a point when the rhetoric is devoid of credibility. The Prime Minister is not stupid: he knows that 'for powers to ebb back instead of flow away' will require the unanimous consent of 26 other nations. That means a further amendment to the Treaty of Rome, and so a new EU treaty. And he is pledged to put any further treaty to a referendum of the people. Hmm...


Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

It's a start. I listened to the speach and he spoke of a 'network' of European states as opposed to a 'block'. This does, I think, represent the will of the British people. Should the 26 other European nations resist change and want to move more federalism then it will be crunch time.

Britain has always had an interest in Europe; in maintaining a 'balance of power' and preventing the nations of Germany and France dominating the continent. Let's see what unfolds in the wake of the current crisis. Merkel has laid her cards on the table. So too has Cameron.

Interesting times.

15 November 2011 at 08:52  
Blogger Manfarang said...

It "is about political union; not mere matters of trade, as we were told in 1973."
Told by whom?
The EEC sent out informatiom upon receiving a written request and a careful reading of it made it clear that a political union was intended.
In the preamble, the signatories of the Treaty(of Rome) declare that:

"- determined to lay the foundations of an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe"

15 November 2011 at 09:05  
Blogger God's Child said...

Its about World Government and it begins with Europe. Fascism, and oppression are on the way. Wake up!

15 November 2011 at 10:20  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace

Ernst is intrigued at the cleverness of the markets and the faceless bureau/technocrats of the EU.

They have cleverly arranged for the removal of PM's and governments, starting with Greece and Italy. Sarkozy will fall with a run on the teetering french economy and Merkel will be finished once the german public are faced with the enormity of saving the Euro.

Mr Cameron's time is short as this coalition will not last much longer, as Mcmillan said, 'Events, dear boy, Events'!

You cannot have strong nations with strong leaders whilst the ultimate strong man waits in the wings?

Like the conclusion of musical chairs, there will only be one seat left and it has been pre-reserved!

Dodo 'Interesting times." Indeed Dickie, Indeed!

Ernst Blofeld

15 November 2011 at 10:23  
Blogger bluedog said...

Your Grace, your communicant proposes a speculative toast to Herr Frank Schaffler, on whom the safety of the Realm does principally depend.


Possibly, but Herr Schaffler is tough nut by all accounts and the referendum in Germany on 17th December is Schaffler's initiative, not Merkel's.

Schaffler is a German nationalist and his view on the EU is the antithesis of that outlined by his Kanzellerin in Your Grace's post. A backbench MP, Schaffler is a member of the Free Democrat Party which is a right-wing member of Merkel's coalition. Politically, Schaffler is a Hayekian libertarian and has consistently voted against any measures designed to save the Eurozone over the past two years.

Most importantly Schaffler discovered within the constitution of the FDP a clause, persuant to which a five per cent quorum of the membership can, if desired, call for a referendum of the entire party membership on a matter. The matter in question is now the European bail-out fund. After his Eureka moment, Schaffler got working on the social media and quickly had the necessary 3000 names, indeed FDP membership ballooned as outsiders objecting to an apparent blank cheque payable to the EU, scrambled to get aboard the Schaffler bandwagon. The party leadership has reluctantly called a referendum for 17th December to resolve its position.

It is important to stress that this referendum is only within the FDP. But if the groundswell building behind Schaffler results in a victory for this deadly earnest Eurosceptic, Merkel may find her coalition disintegrating just before Christmas. As a result, Germany could face a snap election at the precise moment that it needs political stability, from a Europhile perspective, at least.

Prost, und viel glock, Herr Schaffler

15 November 2011 at 10:52  
Blogger The Gray Monk said...

I was not in Europe or the UK when the 1973 referendum and campaign was held, but followed a lot of the debate from afar on foreign news sources. To me it was always clear that those behind it wanted some for of federated state, though not strictly on the US model. At the time it was also obvious to Britain's Commonwealth partners that the UK membership would affect trade with them - and it did.

Australia and NZ now have a great deal more trade with the Americas than with us. While we still do a great deal of trade with the US and Canada, I don't think the same applies (I confess I have not had access to the figures - which as they come from Whitehall would be suspect anyway) to most other Commonwealth countries. Having tied ourselves to Europe we sacrificed our former colonies and they have, understandably, found other trading partners with whom they are more assured of a better deal and a better relationship.

I am in agreement with the PM on the matter of the Bureaucrats and their disconnect with the people they supposedly serve, but this seems to be true of all politicians in all countries. When you throw in the rising distrust fostered by the UK Media for France and Germany in particular, one has to wonder how the UK expects to be able to stay in the EU, let alone influence it. It certainly does not go unnoticed that the UK media maintains a constant barrage of anti-German, anti-French, anti-EU coverage and it is not regarded as either helpful or likely to "win friends" in attempting to get things changed.

Mrs Merkel certainly does feel that tighter fiscal controls from the centre are needed, and surely the Greek profligacy, to mention just one of the €uro states in financial trouble (Interesting to note that all but Italy have "Socialist" governments) makes her point very clearly. A single currency can really only operate where all the member countries have a single regulatory system for the spending, wealth generation and borrowing. As long as any one of the members can "do its own thing" and indulge in a spending spree it is likely to threaten the economic security of everyone else. That is precisely what has happened here.

It is my personal view that the original concept behind the setting up of the €uro was flawed. That has been compounded by allowing the profligate states to join without reining in their spending. Some may recall the French, Belgian and Swiss attempt at monetary union. Again, the flaw was in allowing each state to do its own thing. The result was a French Franc, with a Belgian one worth a tenth of that and the Swiss doing very nicely thank you and worth more than the French equivalent.

My personal concern is that, unless financial stability can be achieved within the EU, it is likely, as several economists have stated, to cause a major collapse in the whole economic zone that is the west. Britain will also be affected, so will the US Dollar, already weakened by further problems in their banking and financial sector.

Sarkozy, Merkel, the Dutch and other €uro members are doing what they consider necessary to protect their national interests. Sadly, Mr Cameron, standing on the sidelines and representing a country that is convinced it is not a party to the problem and does not wish to be a member anyway, is likely to be given the same attention as a football fan chanting slogans at his teams opponents.

Especially when our chief gripe, EU "Regulations" seem to become burdens only in the UK as a result of our Civil Servants "Gold Plating" them supposedly to match our quaint and very creaky legals system ...

No one else in the EU seems to have this problem, it really is just our way of being unable to find a balance in interpreting things and applying them.

15 November 2011 at 10:59  
Blogger Nibor said...

Your Grace,

Do you think that this post about the spiv Cameron`s spiel on the EU is linked to your earlier blogpost on UKIP versus the Tories ?

15 November 2011 at 11:46  
Blogger Di said...

Like most tory leaders from the time of Traitor Heath, Cameron is a quisling working for the EU.

His talk of renegotiation is designed to deceive. It cannot be done, and he knows it.

The only way is out. Let's start with a referendum to confirm that as the opinion of the democratic majority.

15 November 2011 at 12:20  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Excellent comment, Bluedog. Such sleuth work, uncovering what appear to be minor events but may in fact become critical fracture points, is becoming more and more important in these days, given that the mainstream media still bleats in unison as a herd. A correction, though: Prost, und viel glock, Herr Schaffler should read "Prosit und viel Glück [or Glueck]..." The latter implies that Mr Schaffler should have "much clock"...which may be what you meant, but would be somewhat unusual.

15 November 2011 at 12:27  
Blogger Manfarang said...

The referendum was in 1975.

15 November 2011 at 12:31  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

You’re Grace,
Your recent blogs have left me confused as to the true nature of your stance and beliefs. You seem to not want a force (UKIP) for the withdrawal from Europe yet you consistently criticise the ambitions of the Europhiles and Autocrats of Europe who want the 'Charlemagne' Empire rebuilt.
There is little of Christ in Europe and there is little of Christ in the Conservative Party.
You say however "Since the Conservative Party was born out of the church and its Burkean foundations were undeniably Christian" 'Total Politics 20 May 2010'.
Are the Conservatives not like the Catholic Church which Your Grace Hastened from Henry's England, only to recant against that move and then recant again just before the flames. But where is it now? Will your Grace have to re-recant when you find that that your party of choice wants’ nothing of you except your demise?
The Catholic Church was born out of the sure foundations of the Gospel of Jesus, just like you say the conservatives were, but how far are they both from their foundational truths.
Those of us who see how far this nation has gone from the traditional Judeo/Christian society must take up their cross and declare the truth regarding the situation we find ourselves in, even though there may be some ‘Martyrs’ on the way. Christian, Jewish and other politicians with integrity need to work with the moral majority and turn this country around.

15 November 2011 at 12:58  
Blogger Archbishop Cranmer said...

Mr Integrity,

You talk an awful lot of sense.

15 November 2011 at 13:39  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Ernsty, let's leave the overall path of history in God's capable hands and handle the situation that confronts us as best we can. Maybe the current mess is a chastisement or maybe it signals far greater events.

"A crisis is an opportunity riding the dangerous wind"

15 November 2011 at 13:42  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Mr Integrity
I agree with our host you do talk a lot of sense and have identified the need for us to search our souls in these difficult times.

You have suggested a way forward:

"Christian, Jewish and other politicians with integrity need to work with the moral majority and turn this country around."

Will a political and ecumenical approach bear fruit? Hasn't part of our problem in Europe been the fragmentation of unity amongst Christians with different branches offering conflicting moral codes and, indeed, very differant theologies? And how can the Christian Churches embrace faiths that have a different understanding of the God we worship?

These are just questions - not criticisms. I don't pretend to know the answers.

15 November 2011 at 13:56  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

You'r Grace,
Thank you for your kind words.
The Way of The Dodo;
Where there is a will, there is a way. It's just that to most of us on our own, it seems hopeless.
What I meant in your quote extract was; 'Politicians' who are Christian, Jews and men of Integrity'. Emphasis on 'Politicians'.
The last thing we need is a group 'Crazy Charismatic’s' trying to take over Parliament. Religion is a dirty word in politics at present and we need to be as cunning as a fox and as harmless as a dove.

15 November 2011 at 14:35  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Mr Integrity, then I whole heartedly agree.

At this time, as the lesser of two evils, people of goodwill should work together in common cause.

15 November 2011 at 15:11  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

Axtually Mr Integrity...
Religion is a dirty word.
End of.

As for Europe, Merkel, it must be remembered is on "Ossie" and thus she hates dictatorships, but she, too is being shafted by "Brussels".

Not good at all.

15 November 2011 at 15:27  
Blogger Michael Fowke said...

"Eurosceptic-sounding speeches are all well and good, but there comes a point when the rhetoric is devoid of credibility. The Prime Minister is not stupid."

Oh, he thinks we're stupid though, that's for sure.

15 November 2011 at 16:00  
Blogger Oswin said...

As a ''xenophobic right-wing swivel-eyed loon'' I reckon all bets are shortly to be off. I'd 'run to the hills' excepting I already live there, to await the maelstrom to come.

I'm not worried about the future, I'm terrified of it! I truly hope I'm wrong, but one way or another, the PIGS will be slaughtered (including Italy) upon the altar of a greater, 'lesser Europe' ... the only question being, will their throats be cut; or, their heads bashed-in?

Beyond the 'Silence of the PIGS' stands 'Austerity' Britain, deafened by the screaming, blood-bespattered by the slaughter, awaiting the rising of interest-rates; the falling of property values, and the probable collapse of the gilt market (no pigs intended)and, the fearsome depredation to come, of the FTSE(&Mouth)100, all amount to a vast toxic caudlron, bubbling forth chaos.

Pigs aside, who will then bring home the bacon?

Answers on a postcard please. Address: Somewhere in the Hills, UK.

15 November 2011 at 16:26  
Blogger Man With A Pen said...

What we are seeing in the EU, I believe, is what bombs bullets and terror in two major wars could not achieve; total domination of the peoples and their economy and freedoms by stealth and deciet. We are witnessing die langsame krieg and it is happening Europe-wide in the same way and with the same tactics as cultural marxism is happening in the UK: step by step in a slow and deliberate enforced revolution. Freedom is being eroded as a cliff is eroded, pebble by pebble, grain by grain under the relentless battering from a sea of neverending, socially destructive, but positive sounding, propaganda waves.

The devil came to Christ and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in an instant and said, 'all these things will I give you if you bow down and worship me.' He is doing the same today with those who have influence and power in their respective countries. One by one, weak, greedy, power hungry men and women with no principles or spiritual/moral compass are bought with illusuary gifts of power and cash, while the people they represent are betrayed and sold into political and social slavery.

You cannot eat at the table of God and the devil. A real leader with backbone, integrity, courage and faith would tell the EU the same as Christ told the devil: Get thee behind me Satan; for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and HIM ONLY SHALT THOU SERVE.

Unless and until that happens the EU will continue its relentless drive to imprison whole peoples in the same manner of cultural marxism in the UK and elsewhere does. Slowly and inexorably dominating every part of the lives of the people. How they work. How much they work. Where they work. How long they work. What they may earn. What they may own. How they must speak. What they must think. How they must live and who with. At the same time stripping from those people the very things that kept them free, including the right to worship their God in their own way as long as that did not bring harm of loss to another and their right to a genuine, God-blessed, family life.

The people were warned in the scriptures not to place their trust in princes (petty rulers) but to place their trust in God. They have refused and in doing so, they have sown the whirlwind. The time is fast coming when they and their princes must also reap that whirlwind.

15 November 2011 at 18:43  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Bloody good riddance to the Euro and the EU, can’t be long now, WHAT !

15 November 2011 at 18:48  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Avi @ 12.27, thank you for your correction. The intention was to write 'gluck' but an invisible hand caused the moving finger to write the more useful 'Glock'.

Mr English Viking would understand.

15 November 2011 at 19:34  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

At your service, bluedog; it's not often I get a chance to show off my disappearing German. Of all the German dialects, I think Yiddish and English are the prettiest.

15 November 2011 at 19:42  
Blogger bluedog said...

Yes Mr Oswin @ 16.26, when the benefits are slashed to the 2.5 million recipients in the UK there's going to be trouble.

This communicant saw an apparition in a dream the other night. The image keeps fading but I can just recall, so herewith.

Imagine a portly figure in a salwar kameez, appropriately scarfed-up. Shouting furiously in Urdu, this female figure is berating men in night-dresses who are grazing strange animals on a beautiful green sward in a park-like setting.

What does it mean? The figure is Sayeeda Warsi who has been sent by Dave to clear the Slough ummah from the playing fields of Eton which they have invaded in order to graze their goats.

Will England really end like this?

15 November 2011 at 20:05  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Bluedog. A few years of poverty for all might give our crop of fat benefit spongers something to worry about – don’t you think !

15 November 2011 at 20:12  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Inspector @ 20.12, the only trouble is, slash their benefits and the beneficiaries may start slashing throats. And the Muzzies don't do suicide.

15 November 2011 at 20:20  
Blogger len said...

I think the possibility of 'turning this Country around' is somewhat of a folorn hope.
The forces impelling us towards a European Superstate are being given free rein and I believe God will let it happen.
God will let it happen because man is rejecting God and man(not all but some) can only learn when his plans end in total disaster.

As with Christ at Calvary the old creation was brought to an end, so the old System Political/Economic/Religious /system will be brought to an end.

God`s plan for mankind since the fall, is to bring everything under the Lordship of Christ and all things are working towards this purpose.

So as the Tower of Babel rises in Europe those who have studied History and the Word of God can only look on and wonder how long before Judgement falls, or is it happening already?.

15 November 2011 at 20:20  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Man with a pen;18:43
A good but depressing word. There is a hope however.

15 November 2011 at 20:25  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Bluedog. Nobody owes the Inspector a living, or you come to that. If these spongers start taking life, hang them. And watch the murders in this country shrink to 1964 levels...

15 November 2011 at 20:29  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

You're not a Liberation Theologian then? Don't be too harsh on claimants - they're not all fat and lazy.

Catholic canon law states:
"The Christian faithful are also obliged to promote social justice and, mindful of the precept of the Lord, to assist the poor."

Through one's words, prayers and deeds one must show solidarity with, and compassion for, the poor - show a "preferential option for the poor".

Based on the words of Christ, Pope Benedict XVI has taught that “love for widows and orphans, prisoners, and the sick and needy of every kind, is as essential as the ministry of the sacraments and preaching of the Gospel”. This includes all who are marginalized in society, including unborn children, persons with disabilities, the elderly and terminally ill, and victims of injustice and oppression.

15 November 2011 at 21:10  
Blogger Elby the Beserk said...

This apparatchik makes it quite clear what is on the way. Democracy, he notes, is to go. Indeed, it has to go.


15 November 2011 at 21:23  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. Watched a female benefit sponger on the ‘one’ show casually inform the audience that she’d split with her ‘pardner’ and with 3 children, would be claiming big time. Also to feed, one dog and one bird (...not a dodo...). Theses scroungers depress your Inspector...

We all have a Christian duty to take responsibility for ourselves , do we not ? The feckless can go and rot as far as your man is concerned...

15 November 2011 at 21:30  
Blogger Elby the Beserk said...


A friend of mine described what is happening as "watching a train crash from Carriage 15"

@Mr. Integrity

I am not Christian or Jewish but recognise absolutely the nature of our culture, and its values. I'm with you guys. Count me in.

15 November 2011 at 21:31  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Inspector, I'm not saying the State should replace personal responsibility. Far from it. All I'm saying is don't tar everyone with the same brush or scapegoat the genuinely poor and needy who have been taught to be dependent on 'entitlements' to 'benefits' as their 'rights' as 'citizens'.

"As far as the Church is concerned, the social message of the Gospel must not be considered a theory, but above all else a basis and a motivation for action. Inspired by this message, some of the first Christians distributed their goods to the poor, bearing witness to the fact that, despite different social origins, it was possible for people to live together in peace and harmony. Through the power of the Gospel, down the centuries monks tilled the land, men and women Religious founded hospitals and shelters for the poor, Confraternities as well as individual men and women of all states of life devoted themselves to the needy and to those on the margins of society, convinced as they were that Christ's words "as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me" (Mt 25:40) were not intended to remain a pious wish, but were meant to become a concrete life commitment."
(Centesimus annus - Para 57)

15 November 2011 at 21:52  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. The Inspector knows his Christian duty to the poor, but don’t go all holy on him. You are the scourge of homosexuals on this site. However, homosexuals per se don’t cost this man a penny. Women with children who decide the father is ‘no longer for her’ do.

If anyone wonders how much our benefit society costs then remember this, it’s as big as the PAYE take. So look at your wage slip for your own ‘generous contribution, thank you’. The country pays for its public services by VAT and other taxes. And don’t forget the 3p on a litre of fuel – that will help...

15 November 2011 at 22:03  
Blogger bluedog said...

Elby the Beserker @ 21.23, thank you, this communicant missed that article in Der Spiegel, which is an invaluable synthesis of German opinion.

Scary stuff but part of a longstanding German ideal. Prince Albert the Prince Consort used to say much the same thing, that Europe needed highly trained princes (elites) to lead the people. This at a time when the UK was heading towards universal suffrage. Albert's own contribution to the national gene pool included Edward VII, or Tum-Tum as his many girlfriends called him.

Democracy somehow seems infinitely preferably.

15 November 2011 at 22:58  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Inspector, the scourge of homoexual behaviour, I hope, not homosexuals.

I have a real problem with the State benefit system as I alluded to earlier. It distorts Christian giving, turning it into an institutionalised duty and seperating it from charity which comes from the heart. Like you, I despair of those who rely on and take advantage of, 'benefit' to avoid taking personal responsibility. They are as impoverished as the materially poor. Isn't this a socio-moral problem having its roots in the disintegration of personal and neighbourly responsibility?

The welfare system has gone awry and needs reforming, agreed. But let's not forget the opposite end of the spectrum. Those who avoid and evade their taxes and those who make millions on the misery of others. Those who drive the machine that creates insatiable 'need'. And all those who earn a living from advising, assessing and delivering State support.

I'm no politician but I know it's not as simple as labelling those who have been encouraged into welfare dependance and permitted to expect it to support their lifestyles, as 'baddies' and the rest of us as 'goodies'.

Christian social justice is not the same thing thing as bunging the 'losers' a few quid every week!

15 November 2011 at 23:55  
Blogger OldSouth said...



While you still can.

Europe is broke, and will take the UK and the US down the tubes with them before admitting any possibility that the entire EU undertaking was a flawed idea.

16 November 2011 at 00:27  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Elby the Beserk,

This passing jongleur greets you. I appear to be the only Jew here, squatting as His Grace's hofjude and managing to duck the theological scraps so far, but you on the other hand, seem to be the first Dead Head I've come across on a conservative site, and that's a greater rarity. You listed transportation as your industry; not a trucker (lorryman?) by any chance? Now that would be crazy.

Your link, unfortunately, gave me the old SERVER-FEHLER 404: Dokument nicht gefunden.

16 November 2011 at 00:33  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

I trust you're not a'Spinner' or member of the 'Church of Unlimited Devotion'. Weird stuff.

There's appreciation of music and then there's psychodelia. I hope you remain a good Jewish lad. None of this hippy stuff.

16 November 2011 at 00:54  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Not to worry, Dodo passed through the hippie stuff, including the ashram stint almost two decades ago. As for being a good Jewish lad, let's just say, in my neighbourhood good Jewish lads don't drive 18-wheelers or hide out on Anglican sites.

16 November 2011 at 01:08  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

On behalf of the BBC, The Inspector General now wishes to send a message to our friends in German occupied Europe...

Message is The Euro is finished. He repeats The Euro is finished. Message ends.

16 November 2011 at 07:56  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. Inspector concurs with 15 November 2011 23:55 in toto !

16 November 2011 at 08:06  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Inspector, you're up and about early. Not coming over all queer are you?

It's a shame we agreed so soon, as I was hoping we could have had a public fall-out to reassure our fellow bloggers we are not a 'Catholic double-act'.

Just think, we could have been erudite and reasonable and then called one another all sorts of horrible names.

16 November 2011 at 12:03  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo: would that be 'Hinge and Bracket' (heaven forfend!) or 'Gert and Daisy'? ;o)

If the Inspector is not actually a Jesuit; then he'd best watch-out for sneaky 'string-pulling' - I urge him NEVER to sit upon your knee, sonny boy!

Apologies to the Inspector for the occasional 'over-spread' from the duck-shoot.

16 November 2011 at 13:17  
Blogger Oswin said...

Old South et al: yes, it's going to be ugly, and probably bloody too, before it all bottoms-out; but do not despair, we will win-through eventually. Have Faith (and a big, knobbly stick!)

16 November 2011 at 13:25  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Oswin, you appear to be a preoccupied with Jesuits. Why is that? Very strange.

16 November 2011 at 14:06  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

A Franciscan and Jesuit were debating which order was the greatest. So, they decided to ask for a sign from God.

This is what they received falling down from heaven:

My sons,

Please stop bickering about such trivial matters,

God, S.J.

16 November 2011 at 14:11  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

So much work remains to done and so little time left.

"What is similar about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders? "

"Well, they were both founded by Spaniards -- St. Dominic for the Dominicans, and St. Ignatius of Loyola for the Jesuits. They were both founded to combat heresy -- the Dominicans to fight the Albigensians, and the Jesuits to fight the Protestants."

"What is different about the Jesuit and Dominican Orders?"

"Met any Albigensians lately?"

16 November 2011 at 14:15  
Blogger Anglican said...

Concerning Christian-Jewish collaboration in fighting the imposition of secular values on our country, the Chief Rabbi, Jonathan Sacks, has for long been the most discerning commentator on our growing cultural/moral ills.

16 November 2011 at 15:16  
Blogger Oswin said...

Cheers Dodo, thanks for answering your own question, at least in part(@14:06) - I enjoyed the 'Albegensian' joke; although doubtless not much shared by any remaining, poor bloody Cathari :o(

One wonders if any of the sect exist still? Rumour has it that 'sympathisers' are still to be found within Pays Cathare.

We have your lot to thank for two Huguenot 'grandmothers', approx' a century apart, in my family line. Both proved to be excellent business women. Unfortunately, a third French 'grandmother' this time of the R.C persuasion, was a decided spendthrift, and damn near bankrupted the family, mon Dieu!

16 November 2011 at 15:21  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

"Your lot"? The situation in France was as much political as religious.

The 50,000 or so Calvanist Huguen's who arrived in Britain actually sided with Henry VIII and helped with the dissolution of the Catholic monastries - that's probably where your ancestors wealth came from.

So far as the Cathars go, who knows if there is a sect somewhere? I can asssure you the heresies of Gnosticism and Arianism are alive and well in the paganism of New(Old) Age worship.

16 November 2011 at 16:31  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Oswin. Apologies to the Inspector for the occasional 'over-spread' from the duck-shoot.

Not a problem old chap. Have a few virtual pellets of lead around the backside area, but can still scratch without wincing, you know…

16 November 2011 at 17:52  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector: "You [Dodo] are the scourge of homosexuals on this site."

Is this a leftover from those Miss Whiplash days he boasted about having in his youth at one point?

16 November 2011 at 18:03  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Ah, there you are DanJ0. What’s all this about ‘rimming’ ? When the Inspector looked up this interesting word, the blood drained from his face and his jaw dropped. Not even the beasts of the fields do that ! Good grief, you poor sod, you have his every sympathy for your homosexual condition....

16 November 2011 at 18:26  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Inspector, it's not something I would relish giving or receiving myself. Also, I believe it is not just limited to my lot either.

16 November 2011 at 19:22  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

DanJ0. Interesting. The Inspector intends to visit the old ladies at the tea rooms tomorrow. Will drop that word into the conversation and see what happens...

16 November 2011 at 19:30  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...

Before the expression was corrupted by the sexually deviant, it was common in Ireland and Scotland. It referred to a room or cupboard set aside for storing items or curiosities one didn't want to discard.

You old ladies may therefore be familiar with this understanding - or not!

16 November 2011 at 22:21  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. It wouldn’t be the first time he’s had his face slapped down there...

16 November 2011 at 22:31  
Blogger The Way of the Dodo said...


On the wrong thread.

I meant the word 'Glory Hole'! Don't go using the 'r' word in front of the old gals.

16 November 2011 at 23:54  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo: you appear to be spamming multiple threads with your ''Glory Hole'' - either take a cold shower, or else clean-out your damned cupboards!

On a prior note: we be but poor folk maister, we baint be stealing nowt from t'monastery (quick Cynthia, hide those candlesticks and that damned chalice!) ;o)

17 November 2011 at 00:42  
Blogger Avi Barzel said...

Anglican, regretfully, I wasn't in Toronto at the time, but a couple of weeks ago Chief Rabbi Sacks apparently gave an excellent talk at one of the larger Orthodox synagogues we go to occasionally just a few short blocks up the street from where we live. That same week he also spoke at our Alma Mater, the University of Toronto, on “The Future of Religion in the Secular Age” along with the philosopher Charles Taylor.

My wife and some her friends were able to attend the packed lecture at the synagogue. Knowing next to nothing about R'Sacks (I at least get his weekly emailed Sabbath sermons), she was surprised to see a contingent of obviously British Christian visitors there as well. Being a Brit by extraction, my wife also enjoyed hearing the melodious accents of home....from a rabbi, no less. These are curious times, I must say.

17 November 2011 at 01:43  

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