Saturday, December 03, 2011

ECB celebrates 10 years of the euro



The ECB is the central bank for Europe's single currency, the euro. Its main task is to maintain the euro's purchasing power and thus price stability in the euro area.

Ten years ago, on 1 January 2002, euro banknotes and coins were introduced in 12 Member States of the EU. Five further states have since joined. In commemoration of this decade of prosperity and growth, the ECB have released this short film.

The euro, they say, 'builds bridges and inspires hope'. It 'enables its people to look to the future with confidence'. It is a 'symbol of integration and cooperation'. And it puts the French, Italians, Finns and Greeks on notice that their 10-year period for exchanging their old currencies is about to expire.

His Grace advises them to keep their francs, lira, markka and drachmas, for the symbol of integration and cooperation has become one of coercion, exploitation and oppression. The end is nigh.

75 Comments:

Blogger Dodo's Gay Way said...

Hardly "coercion, exploitation and oppression. Let's not be too dramatic. More like a botched attempt at creating a European Superstate via the Trojan Horse of finacial union.

Where they really went wrong was not insisting on Latin becoming the official language of the Europe again and not educating the masses in its usage!

3 December 2011 at 10:53  
Blogger bluedog said...

His Grace declares, somewhat cryptically, that the end is nigh.

End of what, exactly?

Now if His Grace means the end of the Eurozone, well either the markets are wrong to be rallying and His Grace is right, or the markets are right and His Grace is wrong.

Your communicant notes that the surge on Friday followed Dave's visit to the Dwarf of the Elysee, so what was so bullish? Britain and France once again find themselves in the unenviable position of being offered terms by an apparently all powerful Germany. Worse, the US Federal Reserve's action during the week suggests panic in the US about the drift of events. One reads that huge pressure is being put on Cameron by Washington to help save the euro (translation: save the US banks exposed to the Eurozone).

Will Dave crumble and follow Clegg's dream of taking Britain into the Eurozone, conditional on the ECB starting to behave like a real central bank and with agreement to waive the Tobin Tax?

Britain's current position in the EU can be described as financially 'Reverse West Lothian'. Meaning semi-detached from the real action in the Eurozone and thus politically ineffective, as the Dwarf has unkindly pointed out to Dave.

Now Dave is a political herd animal rather than a lone wolf and needs the acceptance of his peers. Splendid isolation does not seem to be part of his psychological make-up. One doubts that he could go without regular doses of charm and flattery from the Dwarf if things were to get nasty.

On more objective criteria, it may have occurred to Dave that the benefits of being outside the Eurozone may suddenly be eclipsed by the risks of exclusion from its redemption. Despite the unresolved crisis in the eurozone, the risk to Britain is that the Germans finally do something effective with US support and save the day.

In this event, your communicant cannot imagine Dave doing anything other than ending 1000 years of independence and surrendering Sterling.

He's that kinda guy.

Your communicant hopes that he is wrong.

3 December 2011 at 10:59  
Blogger graham wood said...

"ECB celebrates 10 years of the euro"

Perhaps "celebrates" is a liitle premature for the short lived duration of a currency that is not likely to last much more than a decade.

Perhaps better would be:

The European Commission mourns the passing of its failed currency,
a bastard child, weakly from birth, always prone to sickness and deep depression, and regret to announce its final demise, at the hands of its friends.
Mourners are asked to act with decorum and decency as arrangements for the deceased are put in place for this loveless child.
No flowers please

3 December 2011 at 11:28  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

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3 December 2011 at 12:06  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Your Grace

Take Germany and France out the the equation, and you have a fairly useless piece of paper. Tis amazing after all that’s happened, it’s holding its value. Maybe when Germany is stretched further, it will start to slip. The next step is when business at the higher end is conducted in US Dollars or maybe Sterling.

3 December 2011 at 12:47  
Blogger Nicodemus said...

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not the Euro, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not the Euro, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not the Euro, I gain nothing.
The Euro is patient and kind; the Euro does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. The Euro bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. The Euro never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known. So now faith, hope, and the Euro abide, these three; but the greatest of these is THE EURO!

3 December 2011 at 15:27  
Blogger len said...

The next move by those behind the European Union will be a demand for more power and control over individual Countries especially control of financial markets and legal systems. Centralisation as a means of moving forward will be promoted as the next move.
And so the cycle goes on ,more power more control,this monster which is the E U is being created that eventually will be virtually unstoppable.
This is the 'beast' Political economic/ system/which all political parties(well almost all) contribute to.
Now what is need is a false religious system(harlot) to join forces with the 'beast' and she is waiting in the wings, waiting patiently for her moment, she has waited for so long and her time is not far off.

3 December 2011 at 16:17  
Blogger Dodo's Gay Way said...

Inspector

Our dear weasle is off on one! He's 'prophesying' more financial and political centralisation in the Eurozone. .

Now, the interesting and rather unique insight is this system is a "beast". And he says a false religious system, a "harlot", will join this "beast". She is waiting patiently in the wings for her moment and has been for so long. He warns us that her time is not far off.

Scary shit Inspector!

3 December 2011 at 16:35  
Blogger non mouse said...

Oh Your Grace-and how much is their 'sellybration' costing us?

I have neither patience nor stomach for the vid. The initial imagery is too RC for me--but it justifies an addendum to your list of "coercion, exploitation and oppression": pride, covetousness, lust, anger, gluttony, envy, and sloth.

... to what end, indeed. Yes, Mr. Blofeld (12:06), I agree. Thanks to Bluedog for a stellar response. The potentials of the US and chubby chops are worrisome.

3 December 2011 at 16:38  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
Money makes the world go round, the world go round. So sings the caberet artist of the Berlin Nazi era. What's changed?

3 December 2011 at 16:57  
Blogger Hereward said...

The markets have been behaving rather strangely over the last few days. The surge of optimism cannot be explained away by the decision of Central Banks to reduce the cost of dollar borrowing since that only provides short term liquidity and does not address the structural indebtedness of the Eurozone. It is rumoured that Central Banks may have acted to prevent an imminent bank failure, which makes market buoyancy even harder to explain. Something is up. Big players in the market hear things that ordinary retail investors don't. Leaks and information that enables them to position themselves to financial advantage. Possibly something of substance or sounding sufficiently impressive to stave off the inevitable is in the wind and they sense that money can be made from stocks in the short run. Maybe a combination of tighter fiscal control and EU supervision coupled with a leveraged EFSF plus bilateral “money laundering” loans via the IMF to get round inconvenient legal/constitutional roadblocks, and further augmented by billions chipped in here and there by all and sundry outside the Eurozone because they fear consequential global economic collapse. Despite any such shenanigans, interbank lending remains fragile, the whole lot is under stress and the combined efforts of Merkosy, Uncle Sam, and Big Panda are a race against time. Any political tensions between key players, half-hearted responses to fiscal integration and suchlike will be sized upon negatively by the markets. One serious destabilising event such as a major bank failure anywhere in the Eurozone and its game over anyway.

His Grace is right. The end is nigh.

The only question is how nigh?

3 December 2011 at 17:03  
Blogger Dodo's Gay Way said...

non mouse said ...

"I have neither patience nor stomach for the vid. The initial imagery is too RC for me ..."

Just how is the initial imagery in the video too RC? A Christian bridge then a more modern bridge being constructed, with a reference to our common heritage?

Now that is a very strange perception. Would you have preferred a Mosque or Temple? Or how about the flag of the Crusades?

3 December 2011 at 17:05  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

If the eurozone splits up in a disordered fashion next Friday then we're in for a world of pain over here. If it doesn't split up in an ordered fashion then we're in for a world of pain over here. I'm really not seeing a lot of things to be cheerful about over this.

3 December 2011 at 17:11  
Blogger Papal Bill said...

Somebody in the ECB propaganda office (films dept) has a masterful sense of comic timing.

3 December 2011 at 17:17  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. Len would see it written in the bible if his motorcycle broke down....

3 December 2011 at 17:54  
Blogger len said...

I find it rather ironic that people fulfil Bible prophesy without even realising it.Especially those within religions which blind them to the Truth.

Christians who’ve studied eschatology should not be surprised at those who scoff at every prophetic scripture in God’s word. They hold to their own erroneous interpretation of God’s Word and defend their misguided ideas with all tenacity. Peter said it would be so. What surprises me is the fact that many of these scoffers, while claiming a relationship with Jesus Christ, criticize His Word. That fact is astounding.
In his first epistle the Apostle John tells us “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” 1 John 2:19. John doesn’t mince his words. They called themselves Christians, yet they were not.

Peter goes on to enlighten us with a much deeper look into their motives. “For this they willingly are ignorant…,” 2 Peter 3:5a. Willingly ignorant means deliberate. They deliberately refuse the truth, and they knowingly mouth opposition to the prophetic scriptures. The question is how can professing Christians deny God’s truth and say they love Jesus? Why profess to be a follower of Jesus Christ in one breath and call Him a liar with the next?

3 December 2011 at 18:32  
Blogger Albert said...

The film's got to be a spoof, surely?

Dan,

If the eurozone splits up in a disordered fashion next Friday then we're in for a world of pain over here. If it doesn't split up in an ordered fashion then we're in for a world of pain over here. I'm really not seeing a lot of things to be cheerful about over this.

Put the flags out - we're in full agreement.

3 December 2011 at 19:17  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Len. and they knowingly mouth opposition to the prophetic scriptures.. You’ll find they knowingly mouth opposition to YOUR interpretation of prophetic scriptures.

3 December 2011 at 19:32  
Blogger Dodo's Gay Way said...

cracked lens said ...

"I find it rather ironic that people fulfil Bible prophesy without even realising it."

Now that's a profound insight! I rather think its the point. As I've repeatedly warned you, the bible is not a horoscope.

"Christians should not be surprised at those who scoff at every prophetic scripture in God’s word."

Funnily enough its not scripture that's being scoffed at. It's the lunatic fringe who claim specialist insight and powers of prediction.

"They hold to their own erroneous interpretation of God’s Word and defend their misguided ideas with all tenacity."

Yes, I've noticed that many, many times on the wacky websites claiming to be Christian.

You len should heed the words of John rather than quote them as an accusation against others:

“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”

Now who left the the Church established by Christ under Apostolic leadership, that for 2000 years has withstood the gates of Hell?

3 December 2011 at 19:46  
Blogger len said...

Dodo, Jesus Christ?.

3 December 2011 at 20:07  
Blogger English Viking said...

At least LEN has an interpretation. He has read the scriptures, pondered, wondered, questioned.

Then he made a decision.

Not like the RC muppets. Spoon-fed shite from on high, with the threat of ex-com if they demur.

It is quite clear from scripture that Popiness is filth.

None so blind as will not see.

3 December 2011 at 20:08  
Blogger English Viking said...

Dodo,

BTW,

Totally OT but seeing as you are here, I thought I might speak to you.

I well recognise the inverse snobbery of which you speak, with regard to classical music, but cannot believe you are not moved by it, if you had ever listened.

Perhaps you haven't?

Try Rach 3, Beethoven's 5th.

Maybe Beethoven's 9'th. (written whilst stone deaf, really. Astonishing)

Mahler, Holst, Bach (you must try Bach, he rocks) and top of the pile, big daddy, A number 1 - Tchaicovsky. Try his piano concerto in d minor. Shit, what more could a man want?

Grieg (well I would say that, wouldn't I?), Elgar, Britten.

You are missing out on a world of - well, you decide.

PS Notice I didn't mention Mozart? The renaissance equivalent of the Spice Girls; churning out shite for money. No soul, not even a little bitø.

Really Dodo, expand your mind. My life is made only bareable by these men. How can one go through life without them?

3 December 2011 at 20:28  
Blogger Albert said...

Britten

Well, English Viking, you've just shot up in my estimation.

3 December 2011 at 20:58  
Blogger bluedog said...

Brilliant post, Mr EV @ 20.28

3 December 2011 at 21:01  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Viking. Chopin and a bit of Mendelsohn does it for the Inspector...

3 December 2011 at 21:26  
Blogger Dodo's Gay Way said...

Viking

Thank you. I'll forgo the Irish Malt this year and drop hints about the music youve recommended. Any particular bands - oops - orchastras you'd suggest?

Albert

Nearly had a heart attack as I thiught you were referring to the earlier post! Mightily relieved to learn you were not - at least I hope not.

3 December 2011 at 21:45  
Blogger Dodo's Gay Way said...

English Viking said...

"At least LEN has an interpretation. He has read the scriptures, pondered, wondered, questioned.
Then he made a decision."


I agree he has an interpretation and he has made his own decision. No quarantee he's right though,is it? Not quite the way God intends His Word to be passed on down the generations.

Scripture is not a book to be approached without humility.

3 December 2011 at 22:04  
Blogger bluedog said...

Herr Doktor Blofeld and non mouse, thank you for your kind remarks.

Let us pray that it is not time to re-write the words of an old folk song. Quiet there, you in the Catholic ranks, this is not a reference to 'The Sash'.

No, it's 'The Night they drove Old Blighty Down'. Where is Joan Baez when you need her?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnS9M03F-fA

3 December 2011 at 22:07  
Blogger Albert said...

Fear not Dodo, it was just EV's interest in Britten that I was applauding. Mind you, just reading his post more carefully, it's shocking what he says about Mozart. What a heretic.

3 December 2011 at 22:19  
Blogger English Viking said...

Albert,

Oooh, and we were almost friends.

Feck Mozart.

Total shite.

3 December 2011 at 23:20  
Blogger English Viking said...

Albert,

Try your namesake; Albinoni.


I know that most people think me uncultered.

Perhaps I am not such a tit?

3 December 2011 at 23:24  
Blogger English Viking said...

Bluedog,

That's nice of you. Really.

Haydn?

Some of his has power.

I feel like a tit to admit it, but I was once first trumpet in a military orchestra.

I was supposed to be just a musician, the fighting stuff was an afterthought.

Somebody noticed me.

Strange I still feel musical.

3 December 2011 at 23:48  
Blogger Dodo's Queer Gay Way said...

Albert

I'm an agnostic on matters musical. I'll leave you to sort this one.

Viking

I could say that's where you first dicovered how to blow your own trumpet. But I'll resist the temptation!

You've always struck me as well read, thoughtful, when the mood takes you, and insightful and to the point. As for the rest, we all have our weaknesses.

In fact, you're good material for Rome. Ever thought of converting? We could do with a straight, no nonsense, common sense approach. Would you like me to pull some strings to fast track you?

4 December 2011 at 00:24  
Blogger len said...

Beethoven IS the master,Vivaldi is quite good,Satie is quite interesting too,

Oh and Bibles I have got(at last count) seven different translations and read Greek and Hebrew interlinear translations online so as to get a balanced viewpoint.
Even got a Jerusalem Bible(but don`t hold that against me)

Agree with Viking about Mozart, too nice, too predictable,Beethoven has a lot more raw emotion, his music probably reflects his life.

4 December 2011 at 00:28  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Len. Have you fed those 7 cats....

4 December 2011 at 00:35  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Me, I'm a Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young fan.

Also into Barclay James Harvest. "Child of the Universe" does it every time.

Cat Stevens too.

len, have you named your cats after the seven Archangels of Heaven

4 December 2011 at 00:54  
Blogger Oswin said...

What is this, ''Desert Island Discs''??? Oh well, put me down for Couperin, Bach, Mahler, Elgar, the Rolling Stones; Faithfull, Birkin and Bush.

4 December 2011 at 02:09  
Blogger Albert said...

Viking,

Oooh, and we were almost friends.

Feck Mozart.

Total shite.


That was a close shave, wasn't it?

I know that most people think me uncultered.

Perhaps it's something to do with the way in which you express yourself.

Agree with Viking about Mozart, too nice, too predictable

I take it you've never tried his dissonance quartet?

4 December 2011 at 10:11  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. Len's cats are named...

Beelzebub
Baal
Mammon
Babylon
Serpent
Prince of Flies (...shortened to ‘Prince’...) AND
Eric

4 December 2011 at 13:53  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Inspector

You sure there're not:

Lucifer,
Asmodeus,
Satan,
Beelzebub,
Leviathan,
Belphegor, and

Ernie?

Hopefully he's named them:

Gabriel,
Michael,
Raphael,
Uriel,
Chamuel,
Jophiel, and
Zadkiel.

4 December 2011 at 14:04  
Blogger len said...

I am guessing that the axe is just about ready to fall?

4 December 2011 at 14:19  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

ln

Is that a prophecy from the Book of Len the Seer, 7:7?

4 December 2011 at 14:52  
Blogger English Viking said...

Len,

Mine?

I'll stay my hand a while longer yet.

4 December 2011 at 16:04  
Blogger Oswin said...

Can we do our ideal, all time best, Test Elevens next?

4 December 2011 at 16:33  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Viking
Over the names of cats? Surely not!

Oswin
Any number - up to nine - multiplied by 11 is itself written out twice.

Eh?

4 December 2011 at 18:01  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. Oswin is on about cricket.

4 December 2011 at 18:29  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Inspector
Oh!

4 December 2011 at 18:55  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. Len’s cats were sent to him by his master Satan, to keep an eye on him, and to make sure he continues to deny the Christ to Christians. However, it is thought ‘Eric’ is on God’s side. An interesting situation...

4 December 2011 at 21:14  
Blogger non mouse said...

The Germans always gave themselves away over things like that, didn't they?



wv: poloin .... ? Up by Yamato?

4 December 2011 at 21:16  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Inspector
If that's the case, then poor Eric.

Cats are an interesting choice of house pet, especially having seven. Ever heard the expression "like trying to herd cats"?

Ideally suited to the rebellious and anarcial minded. We've always had cats, lovely creatures too, but never more than two.

4 December 2011 at 23:45  
Blogger len said...

Dodo you and the Inspector (and Albert now )are really low life scum.

You call yourselves Christians but every foul thing that comes out of your mouths deny that fact.

Keep it up you are exposing that absolute corruption of your religion for all to see, religion especially Catholicism cannot change anyone, you three are the living proof.

Bless you.

5 December 2011 at 00:03  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len

Expressing anger is good, especially for those of a passive aggressive disposition.

Well done for speaking your mind and expressing your feelings so openly. Feels better doesn't it? Getting all that pent up hostility out in the open is good.

However, to finish with a Blessing after calling us "low life scum", is suggestive of a ambivelence and conflict. As you get used to speaking openly this will settle. Remember, true self-assertion has no place for personal abuse.

Ps
Now, don't go kicking any of those cats!

5 December 2011 at 01:55  
Blogger non mouse said...

wv: bless

5 December 2011 at 07:42  
Blogger William said...

Come now chaps. Everybody knows that in Heaven the Angels play Mozart and Beethoven to each other, but to God they only play Bach!

5 December 2011 at 12:37  
Blogger Oswin said...

William: whilst God smokes a small
cigar, during those less sanguine moments...

5 December 2011 at 14:47  
Blogger William said...

Happiness

5 December 2011 at 15:28  
Blogger Oswin said...

Indeed.

5 December 2011 at 17:36  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

We’ve seen Len baring his teeth before. He cannot accept that he has to share Jesus with us organised church types. We are not worthy, when as he sees it, he and his internet born agains most evidently are. Len enjoys a higher love with the Lord, or so he thinks. Higher than us ‘low life scum’ at any rate.

Dodo, Albert, we must pray together in spirit so that one day, our man overcomes his learning difficulties, and becomes our brother in Christ.

5 December 2011 at 18:24  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Inspector
To be fair, len is trying to save us from what he sees as a satanic cult.

How he allowed himself to get dragged into this evil mindset is beyond me. His persistence in holding onto delusion is a lesson to us all that the Bible should be approached with humility and reverence.

His situation also demonstrates the danger of using the internet to understand the deep and unfathomable mysteries of God, as opposed to listening to more reputable and reliable teachers.

St Jude as an intercessor springs to mind.

5 December 2011 at 19:50  
Blogger len said...

Dodo, I have posted this on another thread but I think this also answers your accusation; 'I think(know) that Catholic' theology' has caused endless problems in Christianity,if the Catholic church had stuck with the original Gospel without corrupting it then there would have been no problem(and no Protestants and no divisions)so Catholic error has spawned all these problems.
Just a short illustration;Muslims believe(because of Catholic theology) that ALL Christians worship a 'Trinity'composed of Father son and Mary(Mother of God)'

So all the confusion is laid directly at the door of the Catholic Church the fact that people have to seek truth OUTSIDE the Catholic Church is because the Catholic Church has corrupted it self and twisted scripture so discerning people can no longer believe it!
To mock people who seek Biblical Truth because they cannot find it in your Church is absolutely appalling!.

7 December 2011 at 07:58  
Blogger len said...

As I have stated Catholicism and its corrupted Christianity is ONE of the reasons Islam exists. I think it absolutely incredible that the likes of Dodo and co sit there sniggering at those who seek Truth whist they are responsible directly and indirectly for the problem.

7 December 2011 at 08:06  
Blogger Oswin said...

Len: exactement!

However, I sometimes think that 'truth' is a bit like 'happiness' - yes, one has to put oneself in the way of receiving it, but it's invariably a by-product of something else entirely. I suppose, trust in the Lord; do your best, and don't buy a pig in a poke, is as good a way as any. ;o)

7 December 2011 at 17:08  
Blogger len said...

Oswin, Truth has a price , it involves getting rid of a few sacred(religious) cows and many value their 'cows' too much to part with them.
Truth is the Pearl of great Value and we must give all we have to purchase it!.

I am not saying I have all truth BUT I am doing my best to find it! :)

7 December 2011 at 18:30  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len, er, there was no Catholic Church when Islam started you complete numpty!

Inspector, he's a lost cause. Even St Jude can't help him.

7 December 2011 at 20:18  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

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7 December 2011 at 20:48  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len said ...

"I am not saying I have all truth BUT I am doing my best to find it!"

You most certainly have not and it's a very big BUT!

A good start would be to acknowledge that Jesus of Nazereth, born of Mary, was both fully man and fully God, being the Second Person of the Trinity.

The next step is accepting that Jesus the Christ, fully God and fully man, died for you.

Instead, you think these are Catholic corruptions of the Gospel.

7 December 2011 at 20:51  
Blogger len said...

Dodo,

You certainly are a card!.

What is a Christian?.

Give you three guesses

9 December 2011 at 19:34  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len

Answer the questions.

Surely, having been 'born again' you know! Or doesn't the Jesus you follow matter?

9 December 2011 at 22:09  
Blogger len said...

Still got three Dodo.

Go on have a go,

Tell you what I will let you ask Albert as you obviously need help here.

On second thoughts Albert will give me endless Catholic dogmas and traditions using long words that no one really understands but pretend that they do, some of the realllllly long words Albert likes to use sound more like the transmission unit of a car than anything 'religious'.

Second thoughts don`t bother Albert.

10 December 2011 at 20:45  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len

You are a bore! I'll tell you what, once I answer you tell me who you believe Jesus of Nazereth to be.

In simple words just for you - a Christian is a 'child of God', who is 'in Christ', joined to Him, and has a personal relationship with Him.

So now YOU answer my questions. Who is Jesus Christ? Who is GOD? It's okay if you don't can't. You don't need to. Just be honest and say so.

10 December 2011 at 21:32  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Doddy, with his ducktorate in religious nonsense, foolishly prononouced;

"len, er, there was no Catholic Church when Islam started you complete numpty!"

Err, then who are these chappies you lot venerate and even bestow sainthood upon?

St. Peter (32-67)
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)

through to

Paul VI (1963-78)
John Paul I (1978)
John Paul II (1978-2005)
Benedict XVI (2005—)

You really are a numpty of the highest order and ever sooo deceitful too. Wisdom would make someone who talks givbberish remain silent but then you are a self confessed ignoramus. *chuckles* What on earth would Ignatius make of you?
Probably chief inquisitor!

"According to the traditional Islamic view, the Qur'an (Koran) began with revelations to Muhammad Koranic revelations in 610. " He He He.

University of Mcdonalds... 'La la la la la' i'm lovin' it!

Ernst

Doddy...WV 'puryou' Priceless!

10 December 2011 at 23:06  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Ernsty

As you know we were referring to Roman Catholicism or perhaps you're just being obtuse behind your manic chuckling.

The Roman or Latin Catholic Church was not divided from the wider Christian Church until the 11th century. Until then there was one Universal Christian Church.

So your lists of Popes really is irrelevant and Islam arrived a good few centuries earlier. Unless you are attacking all the Universal teachings from the 33 AD. Are you?

You see there was no division as the early Catholic Church was Universal in belief and practice whilst organised under patriarchs in Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Constantinople and Jerusalem. The Bishop of Rome was recognized as first among them.

So len's claim that Catholicism (meaning the Roman variety) produced Islam is patently ridiculous. As I said, Islam is a bastardised version of Judaism and Christianity and has nothing to do with Roman Catholic doctrines on Our Blessed Lady which were formulated dogmatically stated centuries later.

11 December 2011 at 00:52  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"Unless you are attacking all the Universal teachings (what sort of gibberish is this?) from the 33 AD. Are you?" Universal teachings..What RC's believe obviously with the benefit of hindsight.

The Early church nknew NOTHING regarding popes or even who RC's were..Paul even wrote a epistle to them but strangely no mention in address of/to his beloved brother in christ, Peter (the 1st..pope?)!

"You see there was no division as the early Catholic Church was Universal in belief and practice whilst organised under patriarchs in Rome, Alexandria, Antioch, Constantinople and Jerusalem. The Bishop of Rome was recognized as first among them." Sheer fantasy. What were all the asssertions of heretic and heretic thrown backwards and forwards by 'your' catholic church.

"The Bishop of Rome was recognized as first among them." There were bishops everywhere but your meaning is ever so deceitful is it not?

"So len's claim that Catholicism (meaning the Roman variety) produced Islam is patently ridiculous. " Well the monk was NOT a born again evangelical, thats for certain!

What an outrageous chancer you are lad.

Ernst.

11 December 2011 at 13:01  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

Ernsty

Do go back and read upon the history of the Chuch! It's patently clear the Bishop Rome was the accepted leader of the Universal Christian Church.

Mohammed was not a "born again" evangelist, for sure. Knowing the meaning you place on this term, neither were any of the early Church Fathers. Indeed, the peculiarities of these unbiblical(absence) doctrines only took root in the 1970's.

11 December 2011 at 14:07  
Blogger Dodo the Dude said...

len

Idid answer - but that manic milkman Ernie interupted.

Here is my reply:

You are a bore! I'll tell you what, once I answer you tell me who you believe Jesus of Nazereth to be.

In simple words just for you - a Christian is a 'child of God', who is 'in Christ', joined to Him, and has a personal relationship with Him.

So now YOU answer my questions. Who is Jesus Christ? Who is GOD? It's okay if you don't/can't answer. You don't need to. Just be honest and say so.

11 December 2011 at 22:09  

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