Sunday, January 22, 2012

Abortion ads on TV – courtesy of the taxpayer

Abortion is not illegal in the UK, and neither is smoking or prostitution. But society makes moral decisions about what it seeks to propagate and promote, ever mindful of the common good. Thankfully, we are spared TV advertisements for ‘massage services’, even post-watershed, for Parliament and the independent Advertising Standards Authority deem them inappropriate; somehow beyond the bounds of acceptability or respectability. But after years of lobbying by the likes of BPAS and Marie Stopes, we are to be subjected to TV advertisements for ‘post-conception advisory services’, which appear to have become both acceptable and respectable.

It is curious that, at a time when all advertising for cigarettes and tobacco is banned from our TV screens in order to avoid promoting and propagating the habit, we should move towards permitting advertisements for abortion. Only a decade ago, HM Government (spurred on by EU directive) outlawed tobacco advertising in order to mitigate the detrimental effects on the nation’s health. Why is lung cancer of a higher political priority than mental health? Is the life of an emphysemic pensioner worth more than the child in the womb?

Ah, yes. Of course it is.

For Parliament has decreed it so.

But if there is deemed to be statistical correlation between advertising and an increase in the uptake of smoking, how can there not be a causal link between advertising and increased numbers seeking abortion? And surely there must be, for why else would ‘charities’ like BPAS and Marie Stopes wish to spend millions on such advertising? And His Grace refers to ‘charities’ because he was under the impression that such organisations act benevolently and often voluntarily, frequently dependent on public charitable giving. BPAS and Maries Stopes obtain much of their incomes (amounting to tens of millions of pounds) from their ‘partnership’ with the NHS. The NHS is financed by government: government is financed by the taxpayer: the taxpayer is you. Ergo, you are paying for BPAS and Marie Stopes to promote their ‘post-conception advisory services’.

Their primary mission is to ‘protect’ pregnant women from pregnancy advisory services which do not provide abortion: God forbid that they might lose ‘customers’ to pro-life agencies. Yet it is ironic that one of the few human pursuits which still may not be screened on British television is the termination of a baby. If abortion may not be screened, how can BPAS and Marie Stopes possibly be truthful and transparent, as all advertisements must be in order to conform to the requirements of the ASA? Surely, if advertisers omit key facts about the baby’s development, how the procedure is carried out, and the implications for the woman’s mental health, they will fall foul of advertising standards and find themselves in breach their duty of trust.

All tobacco advertising must carry a Government Health Warning, and there is a statutory obligation upon all providers of financial services to disclose a raft of tedious details. Will advertisements for abortion be forced to carry warnings about the high risks of guilt and depression? Will they offer accompanying psychiatric services? Will they be frank and open about the serious psychological, spiritual and physical impact of abortion?

Or will they ignore them? Will they suggest that the tortuous invasive process is, in fact, quite pleasant; a little like a walk in the park? Will they make abortion sound rather attractive in order to persuade women and girls of its benefits and to promote its merits above its demerits. Why otherwise would providers spend money promoting their services if they could not somehow recoup their investment?

How abhorrent, shameful and profoundly immoral it is to shroud the horrors of abortion in lightness and joy, to sell them as we do instant coffee and crisps, and to promote the ‘post-conception advisory services’ of the likes of BPAS and Marie Stopes as though they were no different from Specsavers.


Blogger john in cheshire said...

What sickening depths we are plunging to, when we both pay for people to work in fake charities whose sole purpose is to kill children and then we pay for them to advertise their services to the nation. Kill the charity not the child.

22 January 2012 at 11:31  
Blogger BJ said...

I can not understand, in a period where we are experiencing a demographic time bomb - that not enough women are having children - why is the government going to such lengths to encourage women to have abortions?

It should be the other way around surely.

22 January 2012 at 12:08  
Blogger Oswin said...

Although I am broadly 'pro-choice' I cannot but agree with Your Grace, on all counts.

22 January 2012 at 13:37  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

Abortion is the Guarantor of the Sexual Revolution. It is the final solution by which women may be freed from the "tyranny of biology." Contraception dramatically mitigates the risk for women, but contraception routinely fails. The burden of that failure falls heavy on women. So abortion is presented as its unfailing backstop. It guarantees the severance of sex from children, and so makes possible the central ideal of the revolution - that sex is principally about personal gratification.

Now if the Sexual Revolution is considered a moral good, then the Guarantor of the Sexual Revolution must also be considered a moral good. Otherwise, men would be tempted to idealize the pre-revolutionary days when sex and procreation were explicitly connected. Did they achieve the goals of the revolution to immediately condemn them? No, they remember the cause for which they overthrew the old order. If women could have an obligation of parenthood imposed upon them, then women would impose concomitant obligations on men regarding the permanence of relationship as a pre-condition for sex. Abortion assures that there can be no obligation of parenthood.

Yet abortion is not just the Guardian of the Revolution. There is a more insidious aspect to it - an aspect that explains why abortion has been elevated to the status of secular sacrament. It is the Teacher of the Revolution as well. It reorients a woman's attitude towards pregnancy and motherhood. One thing I realized long ago is that feminists do not consider the likes of me to be their most bitter enemy. It is rather my wife for whom they hold the most enmity. For my wife sacrificed career and status and position to go home and raise her children. She abandoned the field. That is an unforgivable sin.

Abortion puts maternity in its designated place - a place determined and reserved by the Revolution. It removes motherhood to the margins of a woman's life where it can be safely constrained. It teaches that motherhood is an option to be exercised (or not) after the achievement of the central goals in life - career and money and power. Abortion is the sacrament that kills the primacy of maternity. It is the offering of fire made to Molech, and for the very same reason. But then our culture worships Molech unawares, so why should it not declare the sacraments of Molech to be good?


22 January 2012 at 14:26  
Blogger Kilsally said...

Being pedantic here, but abortion is illegal in Northern Ireland (except where there mothers life is in danger) which is part of the UK....wonder how that will work out with the UK wide TV stations broadcasting these ads in a location where it us illegal?

22 January 2012 at 14:39  
Blogger Phil said...

Well done Carl

Totally persuasive, absolutely brilliant!

Just like reading C S Lewis if he were alive today

Thank you for writing so clearly and directly to the point.

I would add something but there is nothing to add!


22 January 2012 at 14:40  
Blogger Oswin said...

carl jacobs: very interesting!

However, I don't know of any 'feminists' who condemn women for looking after their children; and I've met a couple of Britain's most fervent exponents.

22 January 2012 at 14:41  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

One of your best Carl. The ‘sacrament’ of abortion. What hideous times we live in, the bankrupt vacuousness of our society....

22 January 2012 at 15:00  
Blogger non mouse said...

Yet again: well said, Your Grace.

Murder and its advertisement of course sit well with the exercise of the previous strand... obsession with the s** business and its potential for dominance.

Such focus on pleasure rather than its natural corollaries --pain, responsibility, more pain, and death-- leads me to wonder about the reason for the fleeting jouysaunce*. Why has the self-named homo sapiens evolved so as to value this mindless activity beyond most others?

Perhaps, after all, mankind needed encouragement to help obey the command: Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth...

But wait - Making us custodians of this Footstool of His Universe, He gave us the incentive: ...and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (Gen. 1:28).

Uh huh. So, having subsequently eaten of the "tree of the knowledge good and evil" to make ourselves "as gods"(2:17)--- Thence to rape of the planet, war, rape of fellow humans, and child sacrifice. Death, indeed.

My! We have come a long way in a long time!

And, I say, along with everything else, God gave us Irony for a reason.

*sv: "Chambers" credits Spenser.

22 January 2012 at 15:00  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


The truth of your statement is dependent upon what you mean by 'looking after.' If you mean "A professional woman who gave birth to her first and only child at 35, puts that child in daycare from 7:00am to 6:00pm each day and then pulls him out periodically to display like him an ornament on a Christmas tree" then OK. If you mean a woman who leaves a career as a military officer to become a stay-at-home Mom (that would be my wife's story) then you need to look harder.

Yes, I admit that might perhaps have been a moderately prejudiced comparison. The actual difference is found in the answer to this question: "What is your primary identity?" The feminist movement exists to make sure women don't answer that question "A Mom." Yes, the feminist movement will pay lip service to the idea that being a Mom is a legitimate choice. But that is all it is - lip service. The lip service comes laced with contempt and derision and poorly concealed accusations of "wasting your life."

You should listen to my daughter's stories from school.


22 January 2012 at 15:05  
Blogger non mouse said...

P.S Your Grace ... those little tin gods setting themselves up in euTopia ... they're also practicing genocide at 7th Age of Man. Elderly 'mewlers and pukers' get infections courtesy of the NHS: and the doctors decide when to withhold antibiotics.

They may have done away with war and revolution: but the lords of the earth have to cut down on plebs somehow.

22 January 2012 at 15:06  
Blogger non mouse said...

Sorry to post again ... but yes, Carl: we are on the same page.

I know some students who are reading an essay: "Disney's Dolls" by a woman called Kathi Maio. Her approach is exactly as you describe; and I say that her abuse of English sentence structure only enhances her de-construction of Western and Christian... well, constructs.

22 January 2012 at 15:12  
Blogger non mouse said...

PPS: sorry again... but to clarify hasty writing... The haven't, of course, eliminated war etc. But I think the claim of attempting that fuels their power-grab.

22 January 2012 at 15:16  
Blogger uk Fred said...

While reading the posting about Nadine Dorries Bill yesterday, I bnegan to think of the reasoning Aldous Huxley gave for encouraging promiscuity in 'Brave New World' and now this. On Yahoo, we have IDS castigating bishops for failing to consider the effects on the poor of his welfare reforms. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves that we have not yet lynched the politicians who have allowed this, and,if it is the result of a European directive, the Eurocrats who drafted it too. I find it sad that we consider no crime so heinous as to warrant ending the life of the criminal, but if a life has not yet lived outside the uterus, it is considered worthless, even though its crime is simply to have come into being. I would urge everyone to use this video as a countermeasure

It is not explicit, but it is moving.

22 January 2012 at 15:28  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Agreed uk Fred. we have not yet lynched the politicians who have allowed this,

We must rule NOTHING out to fight and overturn this evil...

22 January 2012 at 15:42  
Blogger IanCad said...

Very troubling post YG.
That Satan is the ruler of this world there is no doubt.
It is now the innocent. Soon it will be the inconvenient, the troublers, the disagreeable and the different.
What can be done? God Forbid! should sympathize with Eric Rudolph?
It is not often that we see such thoughtful unaminity on this forum.

22 January 2012 at 15:47  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace;
Drip, Drip, Drip is how it used to be, the attack on Christian principled legislation. Now it’s on and on and on since the tap has been opened to allow a full scale attack on Christian values. Even the few Christian MP’s that speak out are ridiculed with innuendos or disparaged by their colleagues or even Government Ministers.
When oh when can we see a concerted effort to stand up to this appalling destruction of traditional values. Government needs Integrity and all we have is a bunch of charlatans who claim to represent the people but only represent themselves.
This appalling miscarriage of justice against humanity typically represents the hypocrisy of a so called ‘Tory’ Government (The Libs and Labour would be worse). They go from support, to opposition of Nadine Dorries’ Bill on abortion counselling. The Premier is typical of those who fly by the seat of their pants and the prevailing wind of demanding lobbyists rather than having a consistent policy on morality. They are politicians; and without some form or basis upon which to base their policies, they drift in the wind of popularism and have no discerning values.
There is any number of Bloggers and organisations that criticise the current status quo or seek a new form of Government, but as our Patron has found out, It is harder than difficult to penetrate the closed ranks of the establishment. The few Christians that there are in Westminster are split among the three main parties with differing approaches to the same problem. Unity of purpose is what is needed to destabilise the current set up and convince the voters that there can be Integrity in politics and in the House.

22 January 2012 at 15:59  
Blogger Roy said...

In the previous article on "Nadine Dorries' quest for sexual abstinence" I mentioned the case of the banned party political broadcast by a "pro-life" group that had put up enough candidates at a general election several years ago to be allocated time for its own party political broadcast.

They planned to show a parts of a film of an abortion during their broadcast but the broadcasting authorities banned it because they thought it would be too upsetting. This is despite the fact that the television news often shows scenes of starving children or people who have lost limbs in wars.

Pro-abortion groups often claim that a foetus is just a collection of cells. In that case showing how such a collection of cells is disposed of should be far, far less upsetting than showing children who are dying of starvation.

The decision to allow abortion advertisements removes the last justification for not showing what happens to the unborn children. Therefore advertisements by anti-abortion groups will presumably also be allowed.

22 January 2012 at 16:40  
Blogger Rodneybg said...

Kilsally says that abortion is illegal in NI. My understanding is that it is illegal throughout the UK save for 5 clauses. Over 90% of abortions carried out are done under the mental health clause (that the mother's mental health is more harmed by continuing with the pregancy). There is plenty of hard data around that says that the opposite is true and therefore most abortions are now illegal. Furthermore a recent statistical study by Patrick Carroll, Ireland's Gain, compared Ireland's low incidences of breast cancer, comparative good mental health, low rates of pre term birth and better population profile than Britain - see's-gain-england's-loss/ So, not only, is abortion immoral, murder one might say, it is illegal and we are paying for it in our taxes

22 January 2012 at 17:20  
Blogger len said...

Each abortion 'ad 'should carry images of dismembered aborted babies similar to the warnings on cigarette packets carrying images of diseased lungs etc.

22 January 2012 at 18:02  
Blogger Flossie said...

Russia is waking up to the fact that it is a dying nation. 80 million abortions have taken place over the last 20 years. It is estimated that women were having up to 7 abortions.

They are now offering a'baby bonus' to encourage people to have more children, as they face economic disaster.

Quite aside from the morality of ripping babies from their mothers' wombs, surely we should be able to learn something from this.

22 January 2012 at 18:04  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...

"When my bones were being formed, carefully put together in my mother's womb, when I was growing there in secret, you knew that I was there -you saw me before I was born. The days allotted to me had all been recorded in your book, before any of them ever began."
(Psalms 139:15-16)

"How can one morally accept laws that permit the killing of a human being not yet born, but already alive in the mother’s womb?"
(John Paul II, 1994).

"You shall not murder." (Exodus 20:13)

22 January 2012 at 18:08  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...

Letter From an Aborted Baby

Dear Mommy,

I want you to know how much I love you even though I’m not with you anymore. I was really scared the other day, but I’m ok now.

I woke up to your crying and all of a sudden I felt a force like no other. I gripped my tiny hands into your flesh, but I was no match. I felt like I was being sucked away. And then came the pain. Mommy . . . it really hurt. The doctor tore me from your womb and placed my body like garbage on the cold table. I hoped you would hear me, but my cries were not enough. I needed you Mommy. I know that all the pain I felt yesterday is nothing compared to the pain you must feel. I’m sorry you’re hurt too . . . I love you.

Mommy, what happened? Why have you pushed me away? I was robbed of a home and a family that I needed. Why didn’t you want me?

I pray for you everyday now. I pray that you’ll open your ears to something besides what the world tells you. I met the most wonderful person. After all the pain, I felt arms reach out to me and pull me close. I hoped it to be you, but it was a man. He spoke nothing but kind words and told me He was my Father and Savior. He held me close and told me everything was alright. The way He laughs and smiles and expresses His immense joy, makes me feel so loved.

He talks about you too, as if He’s known you all of your life. He whispers blessings over your soul and keeps placing people and things in your life that you need. He is sad though. He loves you and keeps chasing after you, but you keep pushing and hiding.

Mommy this man told me He forgives you, though I’m not sure what He means. He knows so much and His heart bleeds for your pain. He told me a story as I sat upon His lap about how He died. He told me that He loved the world so much that He died so that everyone can have life. He’s welcomed me into His home, and it’s beautiful. It’s everything we’ve ever wanted, needed, and imagined. There’s a place next to mine that’s empty, and He says He’s saving it for a special person.

I watch you everyday, and I hug you as you sleep. I kiss your cheeks as tears stream down them. This man told me His name today mommy. He said His name is Jesus. We heard you speaking to us today and it made both of us so happy. Oh, how I’ve missed your delicate voice. He told me that you have great things in your future as you walk to find Him. He also told me whom the special place next to me is for. I wanted to tell you that it’s for you some day! Have hope Mommy, you’ll be lonely no more.

Mommy everything is going to be better now. I’m happy here! There is so much peace in this place. Don’t ever forget that I love you.

Your Baby

22 January 2012 at 18:10  
Blogger len said...

Everyone grieves over the death of a child (which was wanted by its parents.)

But who grieves over the unwanted, destroyed in the womb before they ever drew breath?.

It seems totally hypocritical to grieve one and not the other.There is a' holocaust'going on to which most are turning a 'blind eye'.

22 January 2012 at 18:16  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. Procuring an abortion is a mortal sin. There will be no ‘happy ending’ for the cruel and heartless mother.

22 January 2012 at 18:28  
Blogger Owl said...

The collective has no conscience.

Only the individual has.

The "third way" was coined by Mussolini.

A totalitarian state is only interested in the collective which has to obey it's masters, in thought, word and deed.

The individual is expendable... and is the greatest threat to, and the bane of the totalitarian state.

22 January 2012 at 19:26  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...


Did you know there are now funeral services for aborted children?

Let's not heap all the blame on the mother, many of whom are not cruel or heartless. And do remember, God's mercy and forgiveness knows no bounds.

As carl so ably argued earlier we are dealing here with the crime of a society that is focused on self and "revolutionising" its views on the family, sexuality and the roles of men and women. The Church views with special compassion the mother after an abortion, often performed under pressure from family, society, poverty, etc. Such unfortunate women should not be beaten further, but compassionately supported and saved. There are some who are heartless and cruel and one can only pray they will one day understand that abortion is murder, a premeditated termination of the life, and repent.

The Catholic Church places great store on a properly formed conscience based on its teachings. I believe no other denomination or religion unconditionally forbids the grievious sin of abortion.

22 January 2012 at 19:34  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. The Inspector points out that it is more than likely women who have procured abortions will be reading this site. Their journey of salvation for them has probably yet to begin. Repentance, seeking forgiveness through a priest and atonement. It does them no service to suggest everything will turn out alright in the end as things stand. THEY signed the consent form, not the godless revolutionaries of our society.

22 January 2012 at 19:54  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Dodo & Inspector; Just finished watching a program on Pugin. He converted to Catholism at an early age. His architecture was a reflection of the pure Godly way. A troubled and sad life, dying at only forty. His work on Westminster and Big Ben went unrecognised for many years. His house in Ramsgate has been restored by the Landmark Trust so I suppose one can book to stay there. A most significant Catholic of the 19th Cent.

22 January 2012 at 20:22  
Blogger Shacklefree said...

What we are witnessing is the death of a civilization. We encourage kids to experiment with their bodies and castigate people who suggest that we should tell them to say no. We have been exposing the younger generation to institutional abuse for the last 50 years or more and label the concerned as uncaring bigots. We didn’t listen when people said we should ban all pornography particularly in newspapers and magazines easy to obtain. And then we complain about paedophiles. They are the result of our policies. We have stimulated their fantasies for generations and now we want to add to the misery and advertise it. Satan rules in the corridors of power. Morality has been turned upside down and it makes me think that the second coming of Our Lord cannot be far off. How long can he allow this holocaust to continue?

22 January 2012 at 20:32  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...

Mr Integrity

Don't sound so surprised, dear fellow - Catholics can be talented!Pugin's manner of passing was regretable.

22 January 2012 at 20:34  
Blogger m davies said...

The Feminists are to blame for this evil, especially the Hitler-loving, Marie Stopes. Although she's dead, thank God, her evilness lives on.

Society for the Protection of Unborn Children -

'News, Advertising 'watchdog' acting as abortion industry's poodle, says leading pro-life group SPUC':

22 January 2012 at 20:36  
Blogger Preacher said...

I remember seeing a group of women in the booking hall of a London Station. They were asking people to sign a petition to legalise 'A womans right to choose'.
Ironically they had with them an empty pushchair. Whether the baby was just being held by one of the women, or whether it was just being used to transport the literature I don't know.
It had jolly bright coloured balloons tied to it & I felt it as if the devil himself was laughing at this callous joke.
I walked up to a smiling lady, who
held out the petition & asked me if I would sign it. I politely declined & gave her a tract - with graphic photographs of aborted babies & a black dustbin full of the murdered babies bodies. I calmly told her that before she collected even one more signature, she should see what she was advocating.
She looked at the tract & the shock on her face told its own story, her reaction brought the others around & their reaction was the same.
I left with all sorts of abuse ringing in my ears. But within ten minutes they, the pram & the petitions had gone!.
I don't know if I saved some poor babies lives by my action, but I felt that to stand & do nothing was not an option.
The god of sex & money that much of this world worships, feeds of the ignorance of the many, luring them to kill their own,in the pursuit of hedonistic pleasure, while the devil enjoys the joke.
Let me finish by saying that if every christian or pro life supporter purchased a few of these small but graphic tracts & handed them out as & when the opportunity arose, many innocent lives could be saved & our nation may avoid the judgement of an angry God for a little longer.

22 January 2012 at 21:50  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

"Don't sound so surprised, dear fellow - Catholics can be talented!" Indeed, my old Renatus (Mithraic meaning not the strict biblical, Non RC one, perhaps??) as you show, on a fairly regular basis.

It seems all wanted to be on display today and you kindly obliged. Bless You, especially as nowt was worth watching on the telly. (HeHeHe)

It appears there is an asylum missing a deranged inmate! The NHS really must get it's act together.

Lansley, make yourself useful lad.

Ernsty, old paint.

22 January 2012 at 22:51  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...

Pleased the nurses have allowed you to use the internet again. It must be annoying slipping in and out of awareness.

Do try and stay on topic, old bean. In case you've missed it, today we are discussing the advertising of abortion. Hugely more important than obscure and slightly strange slights against Catholicism and myself, wouldn't you agree?

Renatus, as a Christian name, has a spiritual meaning rather than a literal one - "to be born again (or from above) with baptism from water and the Holy Spirit". It was extensively adopted by early Christians in Ancient Rome due to the importance of baptism.

"Amen, amen dico tibi, nisi quis renatus fuerit denuo, non potest videre regnum Dei.

23 January 2012 at 00:06  
Blogger non mouse said...

Welcome back, Mr. B and Kitty- so nice to see you in these otherwise unpleasant times.

Wishing you both well.

23 January 2012 at 00:33  
Blogger Ivan said...

If anyone were to ask me the basis for my belief in the infallibility of the Pope in moral matters, I shall point to Humana Vitae. Against the advice of all the worthies of his era, against the temper of his times, against the advice of the materialistic scientists he held fast to the teaching that all human life is sacred from conception to natural death. In my youth I too laughed with the scoffers - if you don't play the game don't make the rules etc. But now when I contemplate the horrors that are inflicted as a matter of routine on defenseless beings as matter of course, I will not question God if He decides to put an end to all this.

23 January 2012 at 03:48  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

All the usual whining christian lies and rubbish
IF "Sex education" was done properly, we wouldn't HAVE an abortion "problem"
But sex education is not done properly, is it?

Try looking at how the Netherlands handles these problems.

23 January 2012 at 08:06  
Blogger Gary said...

This country is a cesspool. Our leaders are evil.

23 January 2012 at 08:34  
Blogger Roy said...

@ Tingey

IF "Sex education" was done properly, we wouldn't HAVE an abortion "problem"
But sex education is not done properly, is it?

The fact that you put the word "problem" in quotation marks tells us volumes about you.

On the subject of education perhaps you could tell us what subjects are done properly.

23 January 2012 at 09:36  
Blogger uk Fred said...

Interesting comment on Conservative Home by Andrew Lilico:

23 January 2012 at 10:49  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Dodoo of the multi psyche.

"It must be annoying slipping in and out of awareness." Annoying? it's blasted infuriating reading your guff lad!

"Renatus, as a Christian name, has a spiritual meaning rather than a literal one" Dear bird, Len will be pleased at this change of heart/repentence however Renato/Renata would be a christian name but 'Renatus' means Born again/Regenerated in Latin, old fruit and was particularly popular with Roman soldiers of the Mithraic pursuasion! History, old birdie, HISTORY.

"Amen, amen dico tibi, nisi quis renatus fuerit denuo, non potest videre regnum Dei." Thanks for making my point.


Non Mouse
Always a delight to see you still blogging here old girl.

23 January 2012 at 12:40  
Blogger Oswin said...

carl @ 15:05 :

I agree with much you say; but in my own experience, those mothers who stay at home to raise their children are more likely to be looked upon with envy, rather than belittled. 'Working mums' are more ofen an economic necessity, than a life-style choice.

23 January 2012 at 13:41  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

I have noticed, rightly or wrongly, that the most Conservative of societies tend to have the most 'liberal' of laws (America, Canada, Netherlands, Spain especially, the UK to a degree). It's almost like they are being targeted deliberately. The Netherlands does not have a low teen pregnancy rate because its education is liberal but because its population is conservative. Christianity is very much alive in the Netherlands. People aren't as promiscuous as in the UK and there is a general agreement that nearly all the drug taking and prostitute using is done by the tourists.

In addition to Carl's profound theory on the pro-abortion lobby, I'd like to add that there is nothing pro-female about the sexual revolution. There is much that is misogynist and so much that is misandrist.

The first big unjust lie they told was that motherhood was inferior to career and leadership. This is what paved the way for the sexual revolution. This is the first notion we need to reclaim.

From that notion we destroyed all notions of masculinity and femininity. They were so thoroughly obliterated by the sexual revolution that most have forgotten what they are.

Even those who have grown up with a father figure now have no clue how to be a man. The result of the sexual revolution was the emasculation of men. Weak-willed men who pander more for common ground than the common good. Who tolerate and compromise with evil to avoid confrontation. Men whose appearance is more important than their actions.

Of course the counter-revolution was inevitable. Men were not going to stand by whilst they were written off as glorified sperm donors. Sadly they had no foundations on which to build a masculine identity. Violence, aggression (physical and sexual), strength, dominance, anti-intellectualism, promiscuity, drunkenness, sports fanaticism; all our basest and least civilised of traits were now seen as what being a man is.

I would like to speculate that the reason we have seen a falling away from the one true faith in recent times is because the Church has also forgotten what being a man is. Too often we hear Bishops pandering to the cause of niceness and 'charity' rather than the truth. When was the last time you heard the words 'Church Militant'. One would assume that's because for too long the Bishops have been in peace negotiations with Satan. Whilst the CofE have capitulated much ground to the Dark Prince, even within the Catholic Church we rarely hear the assertion of the truth of the sin of contraception, sex outside marriage, homosexual activity, idleness etc. The flag is there, but we've withdrawn the troops. The men at the pulpit are far too concerned with what the Government is doing with unemployment benefit or how we can be more tolerant of the debauchery of Western 'civilisation'. What man looks at the life of the faithful and sees the good fight; the fantastic awe-inspiring adventure that is Christ's Church?

Jesus Christ was the perfect man, and we should follow him. He left his mother at a young age for a life of learning. When he reached adulthood he followed a life of adventure, teaching, hardship and, most importantly, sacrifice. Once this was complete he returned as leader and protector. This is what a man must be. He must leave his mother for the life of learning, be it academia, engineering or trade. He must develop his skill, becoming an expert in his field whilst living a good and holy life. Then he must return to his family with the skills of hard work and sacrifice, becoming the protector and leader of his wife and children.

All stages are necessary. No man can lead and protect without undergoing hardship and sacrifice and developing his faith. No man can lead such a life without the training and education given to him in his youth.

23 January 2012 at 13:47  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

I will add a great warning. Our counter-attack on the sexual revolution is fraught with danger. We will be hated, ostracised; called all manner of spiteful names. We risk our jobs, our friends and even our livelihood for speaking the truth. This is good: no war is without casualties. The truce is over and they will throw everything they have against us. They have been building up arms in this period of calm. They have the media, the government and even the people all turned against us. We all know how it will end though. Just one man wearing the armour of God can bring down an empire.

23 January 2012 at 13:54  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...


Renatus most certainly is a Christian name and was extensively adopted by early Christians in Ancient Rome due to the importance of baptism. Have you not heard of Saint Renatus of Sorrento and Saint Renatus of Angers? Whether Roman soldiers of the Mithraic persuation adopted it too is really neither here nor there.

It's spiritual meaning "to be born again (from above)" is associated with baptism by water and the Holy Spirit. You know, the 2000 year practice of the sacraments of Baptism and Confiirmation, not the mid-20th century invention your so fond of.

23 January 2012 at 14:19  
Blogger CSPB said...

Preacher said...
"if every christian or pro life supporter purchased a few of these small but graphic tracts and handed them out as and when the opportunity arose, many innocent lives could be saved

You can purchase them at the Center for Bioethical Reform
Warning: Site contains graphic images.

23 January 2012 at 14:49  
Blogger Shacklefree said...

Absolutely right Lakester. Let's start throwing off these cliches about getting in touch with our feminine side as if compassion was something alien to men. It's a shame we have so many wimps for bishops. However, judging by the ferocious backlash we are receiving from the disciples of satan in places like Nigeria and Pakistan, satan is obviously panicking because the day of reckoning is coming close and wimpish bishops will have to answer.

23 January 2012 at 15:26  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...


Nice moniker and image - and sound advice too.

23 January 2012 at 17:45  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Every time Tingey posts, an angel cries…

23 January 2012 at 18:24  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

The English education system is broken

In answer to a question above ....

Actually abortion is a problem.
In an ideal world, abortions would only occur in cases of rape / incest &/or discovery of hitherto-unsuspeced nasty genetic disorders.
Every child a wanted child.
Every pregnacy planned for, and expected.
Which brings us back to sex education.

Note the complete lack of Big Sky Fairy in this argument

23 January 2012 at 18:31  
Blogger len said...

Dodo,(23 January 2012 14:19 ) I was baptised as an infant and later confirmed.
I can tell you quite categorically(in hindsight) I was definitely NOT born again by this process.

I was' born again' later on through repentance and prayer.The born again experience is a definite experience and one is left without doubt that one has been born again.It is impossible for infants to be born again as this would negate free will entirely!.

23 January 2012 at 19:08  
Blogger Preacher said...

Thank you!.

23 January 2012 at 19:13  
Blogger Preacher said...

Apologies, should read CSPB.

23 January 2012 at 19:27  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Tingey Ha ! Got you. You failed to mention the non existence of the ‘Big Sky Fairy’

23 January 2012 at 19:27  
Blogger len said...

The whole point of salvation( from God``s perspective) is that if man is to be redeemed then a total transformation of mankind is necessary, the remedy of man is to' clean the outside of the cup' but God`s remedy is far more radical He will destroy the old creation and rebuild a new from the remains of the old. Only a Creator God can do this work!. This is accomplished through the finished work of the Cross of Jesus Christ.

'I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.(Ezekiel 32:26)
That is God`s plan for the redemption of mankind, if that offends anyone then I suggest you take a long hard look at exactly what form of 'salvation'you have and what its origins are.

23 January 2012 at 19:32  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

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23 January 2012 at 19:41  
Blogger carl jacobs said...

G Tingey wrote:

Note the complete lack of Big Sky Fairy in this argument

Note also the lack of any authoritative standard in the argument, although it hardly rises to the level of an argument. It is rather a list of assertions. It becomes an argument only if it is presented as an argument from authority. And what is that authority? Your guess is as good as G Tingey's. He doesn't know either.

Every child a wanted child.

Such a lovely little mantra. So child friendly. Who could oppose it? Well, those of us who realize what it really means. "Every child a wanted child" is just as accurately rendered "No parent an obligated parent." At one time, children where considered an unchosen obligation. Now they are a considered a chosen obligation, and abortion is the means by which the obligation may be formally declined. "Every child a wanted child" baldly put means "No one is going to force me to be responsible for some snot-nosed kid. I have better things to spend my money on than children. Like me, for instance." It's not an altruistic phrase intended to protect the child, but a selfish self-centered phrase intended to protect the autonomy of the adult. Never forget that abortion terminates the responsibility of parenthood. It's not about ending the pregnancy. It's about pre-empting the responsibilities that attach after birth.

I wonder what G Tingey would say about all those unwanted girls in Asia? 'Every child a wanted child' certainly justifies the massive wanton destruction of little girls in China, and India, and Korea. I suspect he would mumble something about 'false consciousness' or 'education' or something. But that brings us back to that problem of authority. The moral code that calls for the abortion of girls due to a desire for sons is just as valid as any moral code that G Tingey can fashion in his little grey cells. Will he now say "Every child a wanted child unless I don't think your reason for not wanting the child is valid." I suspect he will. But he will have no basis for making that assertion other than the fevered imaginations of his own mind. Besides, he has repeatedly told us 'religionsits' that we cannot make any such assertion. Where did he suddenly acquire an authority the existence of which he has heretofore denied?

In the end he would impose obligations as well. I suspect he would support legal prohibition of aborting girls just because they were girls, or infants just because they were diagnosed as possessing the (mythical) gay gene. But evidently not the disabled or the defective since he talked about aborting those with 'nasty genetic disorders.' I wonder what 'nasty' means? Does Downs Syndrome qualify? It must since Downs Syndrome is being aborted out of existence with nary a whimper. It's a confusing world inside Mr Tingey's moral code. Perhaps that is why it is just a list of unhinged assertions. Assertions intended to protect adults from having children inserted into their lives against their will. The overriding imperative of adult autonomy says any such children must die. Otherwise, adults would have to assume responsibility. Can't have that, can we?

23 January 2012 at 19:52  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...


That's your path - not everybody has to follow your lead.

Incidentally, that's your understanding of God's plan for salvation and its not entirely Biblical.

Pope Len I has ruled infallibly on God's plan of salvation. One must have a unique converstion experience that radically changes one's heart and guarentees a once and for all turning from sin and an assurance of salvation.

I have no problem at all accepting Christians need to be "born again/born from above". Indeed, its fundamental to Christianity.

It's the simplistic denial of religion, worship and the sacraments as part of a process of ongoing sanctification that I reject.

Jesus addressed His comment to Nicodemus who believed the promise of salvation was rooted in "the seed of Abraham", a physical lineage from Abraham. Jesus explained to Nicodemus that this doctrine was in error and that every person must have two births, the natural birth of the physical body, the other of the water and the spirit.

My Christianity sees being "born again" as spiritual regeneration via a personal faith that grows through the sacrament of baptism by the power of water and word. It is not a one-off event but a life long process.

To me your theology is simplistic and unhelpful especially when combined with hostility towards towards organised "religion" and any body of doctrine.

How do you know infant Baptism and Confirmation did not mark you as a Christian and that Christ drew you back yo Himself?

23 January 2012 at 20:22  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...


Wow! Powerfully stated.

23 January 2012 at 20:31  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Carl. You have excelled yourself, another commendation from the Inspector...

23 January 2012 at 20:53  
Blogger CSPB said...

Carl. Well said!

23 January 2012 at 21:17  
Blogger CSPB said...

Dodo said: Nice moniker and image.

The moniker is found on the Saint Benedict Medal. The letters V R S N S M V - S M Q L I V B are the initial letters, of a prayer of exorcism:
Vade retro Satana!
Nunquam suade mihi vana!
Sunt mala quae libas.
Ipse venena bibas!

(Begone Satan! Never tempt me with your vanities! What you offer me is evil. Drink the poison yourself!).

On the arms of the cross are the initial letters of the prayer:

Crux sacra sit mihi lux!
Nunquam draco sit mihi dux!

(May the holy cross be my light! May the dragon never be my guide!).


23 January 2012 at 21:36  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...


A fine medal indeed, promising Divine protection to those who have it on their person or in their household.

23 January 2012 at 21:54  
Blogger CSPB said...


23 January 2012 at 23:25  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...


Not a typing error, more an ommission. It is a complex medal, rich in meaning and prayer.

On the reverse, on the arms of the cross are the initial letters of a rhythmic Latin prayer:

Crux sacra sit mihi lux! Nunquam draco sit mihi dux!
May the holy cross be my light! May the dragon never be my guide!

In the angles of the cross, we find the letters C S P B which stand for:

Crux Sancti Patris Benedicti.
The cross of our holy father Benedict.

Above the cross is the word Pax.

Around the margin of the back of the medal, the letters V R S N S M V - S M Q L I V B are the initial letters of a Latin prayer of exorcism against Satan:
Vade retro Satana!
Nunquam suade mihi vana!
Sunt mala quae libas.
Ipse venena bibas!

Begone Satan!
Never tempt me with your vanities! What you offer me is evil.
Drink the poison yourself!

23 January 2012 at 23:44  
Blogger non mouse said...

CSPB: How nice to see you here again.

Pleasant relief indeed; for, as you will recognize, we presently labour under a replacement for that other 'educator,' G. D.

24 January 2012 at 14:13  
Blogger Albert said...

'Every child a wanted child'

In addition to Carl's excellent comments, it's worth adding that this slogan is actually tautological in the hands of the abortionists. For them, the unborn child is only a child if they say so (they wouldn't want to be caught supporting infanticide - though some have the honesty to do that). If the pregnancy is wanted by the mother, but it ends in miscarriage, people speak of the mother losing her baby. But "baby" of the same gestation, if unwanted, is only a foetus. Hence to be a child, it must be wanted.

If they were to use the language consistently, they would also be saying "Every unwanted child, a dead child."

Even if you are callous enough to support abortion, surely it's obvious that this kind of moral "reasoning", in which one person gets to determine the humanity of another, undermines us all.

24 January 2012 at 15:51  
Blogger Shacklefree said...

“No parent an obligated parent”
“I have better things to spend my money on than children. Like me, for instance”.

Your demolition of Tingey was masterful . You give the real context in practical reality based on common sense rather than his ‘unhinged assertions’ of a mythical utopia. He reminds me of Srizals the way he debates just firing off continuous repetitions about the ‘Big Sky Fairy’as if that was supposed to convince anyone. Tingey, accept your just chastisement from Carl. I sincerely hope you will recognize your errors. You only have a few years on this Earth before you will have to answer the ‘Big Sky Fairy’

24 January 2012 at 16:28  
Blogger len said...

Dodo,(20:22) I cannot help but notice that you are using the word 'Pope 'as a derogatory term.
Should you really be doing that?.
I don`t hold the Pope in very high opinion but I assumed that you Catholics did?.
However back to the point I have tried to make several times but seem to hit a brick wall consisting of religious dogmas and traditions stacked ever higher.I will persist in the hope that if you stretch up you might(if so inclined) be able to see over the top.

Nicodemus was a Pharisee, a prominent member of the Sanhedrin,performed all the religious function.Probably would be accepted as a 'good Catholic ' today.
Was he saved?.

I will answer for you in case you are unsure of the right answer.

Certainly not!.

24 January 2012 at 19:02  
Blogger len said...

Can you really' be born again' and not perceive that something has happened?.

Can life be flooded into a dead body and have no apparent affect?.
The life that is given in the spiritual re birth is the same Life that resurrected Christ from the grave.
'Religion' never resurrected anyone only the Holy Spirit can do that!.
Even God hates religion when it takes precedence over His Spirit. 'I have had enough of burnt offerings...Bring your worthless offerings no longer...I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts; they have become a burden to Me... So when you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you... I will not listen..." (Isaiah 1:10-15)'

Religion is inevitably the result of man taking that which is of God and forming it, formulating it, in such a way that men end up "playing God." Men can form idols out of wood or stone in an attempt to represent God, or they can formulate ideological idols (belief-systems, doctrinal definitions, theological theses). The men who thus form and formulate become the "chief priests" of the new religion because they are regarded as knowing the most about what God is like, and well they should for they formed "it".

24 January 2012 at 19:13  
Blogger Shacklefree said...

Len, You complain about men usurping their position and playing God and yet you tell us categorically that Nicodemus was definitely not saved. Where did you get that authority?

24 January 2012 at 19:36  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...

'Pope' Len I
I'm now astonished at your brazenness! Truely, that statement about Nichodemus has left me speechless, even coming from you.

Sure, Nicodemus was a Pharisee and a member of the Sanhedrin. He appears three times in John's Gospel: the first is when he visits Jesus one night to listen to his teachings (John 3:1–21); the second is when he states the law concerning the arrest of Jesus during the Feast of Tabernacles (John 7:45–51); and the last follows the Crucifixion, when he assists Joseph of Arimathea in preparing the corpse of Jesus for burial (John 19:39–42).

He appears in his meeting with Jesus (John 3:1–21) as a learned and intelligent believer, but not easily initiated into the mysteries of the new faith. He came to Jesus by night and called Him Master, acknowledging Jesus was, at the very least, a teacher from God. No doubt he struggled to come to terms with the radical teachings of Jesus about His Messiahship.

He next appears (John 7:50-51) offering a word in defence of the accused Galilean; and we might infer that he was open to the truth. He is mentioned finally in John 19:39, where he is shown co-operating with Joseph of Arimathea in the embalming and burial of Jesus.

And on the basis of this you claim he was not "born again" and therefore could not have been saved! Because he approached the teachings of Jesus with some caution and wanted to test them rationally against Judaic teachings? Because he followed a "religion"?

Thank God it is Christ and not you who determines entry to His Kingdom.

24 January 2012 at 20:20  
Blogger Albert said...


A generous reading of the Gospels, particularly John 19.39 would indicate that Nicodemus was a disciple of Jesus by the end.

Can you really' be born again' and not perceive that something has happened?

The question is not whether someone needs to be born again - we are all agreed that they do - the question is whether what Jesus means by "born again" equates exclusively to what you call "born again".

24 January 2012 at 20:52  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Len. What you lack is the SPIRIT of Christianity. Instead you cross ‘i’s and dot ‘t’s. Poor show that man...

24 January 2012 at 21:40  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...


I doubt len sees the irony in the statement he made as he condemning Nicodemus:

"Men ... can formulate ideological idols (belief-systems, doctrinal definitions, theological theses). The men who thus form and formulate become the "chief priests" of the new religion because they are regarded as knowing the most about what God is like, and well they should for they formed "it"."

You len and have formed your own theology and doctrine based on your personal understanding of scripture. You have constructed your own religion and made yourself a "chief priest".

24 January 2012 at 21:49  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...


Is it just Catholics who see the absolute disgrace in len's categorical passing of 'judgement' on Nicodemus?

Do speak up!

24 January 2012 at 21:55  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. Let’s burn him...

24 January 2012 at 21:59  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...

Now, now, you'll spoil our reputation on here as good, compassionate Christians.

What genuinely surprises me is that protestants stand idly by why he makes a mockery of their faith. I quess that's what comes from tolerating ill-discipline in doctrine - the 'via media' and all that.

Next he'll be infallibly claiming his cats are saved!

24 January 2012 at 22:10  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Aw, shucks...

24 January 2012 at 22:14  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...


If we did, would you be able to collect sufficient faggots together if I bring the torch?

24 January 2012 at 22:25  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. Wicked of you. Am still hoping the Holy Spirit will visit him one stormy night and scare him shitless...

24 January 2012 at 22:39  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...


Who knows what God has in store for any of us? I'm sure He has a plan.

I imagine if He did ever call personally on our dear friend He would receive plenty of instruction on what He should be doing to shape up! For a start, the date of the "rapture" would be set and the rules for Judgement Day firmly established according to his reading of scripture.

24 January 2012 at 22:52  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


I guess that's what comes from tolerating ill-discipline in doctrine.

Yes, I'm sure that's the reason. We Protestants are very tolerant and undisciplined. Why next thing you know, we will be claiming that Rome is part of the Universal Church. Not quite like the good old days when the Westminster Confession called Rome the 'whore of Babylon.' ;)

Next he'll be infallibly claiming his cats are saved!

There is no salvation for cats. They are by nature predatory murderous beasts. They were doomed from before the foundation of the world. They are the anti-Canine.


24 January 2012 at 23:58  
Blogger non mouse said...

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25 January 2012 at 00:41  
Blogger non mouse said...

Mr. Jacobs: There is no salvation for cats. They are by nature predatory murderous beasts. Why - how can you; you, who are usually so non-judgemental and reasonable!?! After all, to apply the criterion you cite:
Though Justice be thy plea, consider this,
That in the course of justice none of us
Should see salvation. We do pray for mercy,
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
The deeds of mercy. [...] (Portia, MVIV.i:198-201)

Nay, I say! Cats, dogs, horses; cows and sheep; birds, and even the chatty little squirrel I saw today ... Oh, they have so much to teach us: the stupidest, nastiest, and worst predators of all.

Shakespeare, W. "The Merchant of Venice." The Riverside Chaucer. 2nd Ed. Boston: Houghton Mifflin, 1997. 284-31. Print.

wv: prothead Puhleez :)

25 January 2012 00:41

25 January 2012 at 09:17  
Blogger Albert said...

No Carl, the title "Whore" in the Bible more accurately equates to erastian types of religion.

25 January 2012 at 09:25  
Blogger IanCad said...


"There is no salvation for cats ...."

Isaiah 11:6
"The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them"

Isaiah 65:25
"The wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox, but dust will be the serpent's food. They will neither harm nor destroy on all my holy mountain," says the LORD."

Carl, You write so much good stuff. Thoughtful and precise. Well written and, generally, irrefutable.
Perhaps there is no salvation for cats. We do not know for sure. But, God created them and He does not act without a purpose.
1 Cor.2:9 "..Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God has prepared for them that love him."
It would be a small matter for God to reunite us with our beloved pets.
BTW. If you aspire for elective office I would suggest that you do not make your dislike of cats an issue. You would lose for sure.

25 January 2012 at 09:39  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


There is a cat in my house - breathing my air, and plotting my demise. It stares at me with cold pitiless eyes and wishes my doom. Unfortunately the cat has powerful allies who willfully blind themselves to feline reality; who tell me I am imagining things. Not so! I understand the cat with blinding clarity. She bides her time, and waits for her chance...


25 January 2012 at 12:51  
Blogger CSPB said...

Dodo said..."Not a typing error, more an ommission. It is a complex medal, rich in meaning and prayer. "

Thank you for filling in the missing details.

non mouse said...
"CSPB: How nice to see you here again".

Thank you. I do try to visit regularly but my life is very complicated at the moment and I cannot always find the time to comment as much as I would like.

25 January 2012 at 15:12  
Blogger IanCad said...


This is serious stuff. I can see it. You get up in the middle of the night. One of the cat's allies growls, "Don't turn on the light," and then it happens, most likely at the top of the stairs, that cat will trip you up, or, should I say, down?

25 January 2012 at 15:21  
Blogger Oswin said...

carl jacobs @ 12:51:

I don't wish to resurrect the slumbering English Viking, bringing down his wrath; but the only good cat, is a 'stuffed' cat! Preferably one set in a comedic pose, with a silly hat, or spectacles.

(apologies to non mouse et al!)

25 January 2012 at 15:34  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...

non mouse
I wonder will weasels gain salvation like other creatures?

carl et al
Interesting views on cats, who have a strange history with us as pets, but no comments on the fate of poor old Nicodemos, who according to len was not saved!

25 January 2012 at 15:56  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Breaking news…

US correspondent savaged over careless cat remark

Formerly respected Carl Jacobs has been humiliated after making derogatory comments about pussies. His ranking has slipped down to just above born again pain Len, who coincidentally owns seven of the blighters, but who still manages to remain the sites most unpopular contributor. It is feared that cat loathing Carl may never recover from his faux pas, and that nothing he posts will ever be taken seriously again!” heh heh

25 January 2012 at 16:59  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

"[Len] who coincidentally owns seven of the blighters, but who still manages to remain the sites most unpopular contributor."

From a poll of two left-footers, I suppose.

25 January 2012 at 17:08  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

...and Albert, and Corrigan. At least 4 then...

25 January 2012 at 17:19  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


but no comments on the fate of poor old Nicodemos

I don't feel the need to refute every comment with which I might have a disagreement. I let things stand all the time. I generally make posts for three reasons.

1. To make an important apologetic point that hasn't been made.

2. To force me to think through a subject so I can improve my answers.

3. To defend someone who has been slandered - because I have been on boards where I have been so attacked, and no one defended me.

Honestly, I don't pay much attention to your sparring with len. There was a point when it momentarily rose above the noise floor enough that I might have made a comment about it on this thread. But then Albert basically made my point, and so I turned the subject off again. Your contests with len are your matter. I don't see much reason to get involved.


25 January 2012 at 18:57  
Blogger Dodo the Renatus Dude said...


Fair enough and probably a wise posting strategy that you adopt.

It's just I notice various contributions from folk challenging Catholic orthodoxy and yet little is said when what I consider to be more 'off the wall' statements are made by others.

25 January 2012 at 20:29  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

There once were two cats of Kilkenny
Each thought there was one cat too many
So they fought and they fit
And they scratched and they bit
'Til (excepting their nails
And the tips of their tails)
Instead of two cats there weren't any!

25 January 2012 at 23:12  
Blogger carl jacobs said...


It's just I notice various contributions from folk challenging Catholic orthodoxy and yet little is said when what I consider to be more 'off the wall' statements are made by others.

Think of it as a compliment. RCism is a substantial position that deserves a serious apologetic response. It's not a one-off.


25 January 2012 at 23:58  
Blogger IanCad said...

"There once were two cats of Kilkenny..."

Thanks Inspector for a good chuckle before going to work.

26 January 2012 at 07:59  
Blogger Oswin said...

Inspector : 16:59

A stuffed cat being a 'faux puss' even?

26 January 2012 at 12:20  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Oswin. You wit ! You made the Inspector smile, and we can’t have that in these harsh economic times, now can we…

26 January 2012 at 18:44  
Blogger len said...


28 January 2012 at 08:42  
Blogger Dodo the "Poly-Nominal" Dude said...

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28 January 2012 at 12:34  
Blogger Dodo the "Poly-Nominal" Dude said...

(Meow ...)

And Nicodemos len?

28 January 2012 at 12:37  
Blogger len said...

Nicodemus would have made a 'good Cat holic'?.

28 January 2012 at 17:14  
Blogger Dodo the "Poly-Nominal" Dude said...


Actually, from scripture, one suspects he probably became a good Christian which, by definition, made him a member of the universal Church.

There are no 'good' and 'bad' Catholics. As members of Christ's body, you accept Him, pick up your cross daily, and walk with Him. Surely you know this?

You accuse me of not reading scripture and yet your reading of John in relation to this man is, at best, narrow and, at worst, mean spirited.

28 January 2012 at 22:38  
Blogger len said...

Dodo, What is a 'good Christian'?

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.(Mark 10:18)

29 January 2012 at 12:58  
Blogger Dodo the "Poly-Nominal" Dude said...


You are behaving like a Pharisee! I actually drew no distinction between 'good' and 'bad' at all. What I said was:

"There are no 'good' and 'bad' Catholics. As members of Christ's body, you accept Him, pick up your cross daily, and walk with Him."

Do you read scripture in the same way? If so, even the Holy Spirit would struggle to help you comprehend its meaning!

29 January 2012 at 23:46  

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