Tuesday, January 31, 2012

Diamond Jubilee Prayer

Next Monday 6th February Her Majesty the Queen will celebrate the 60th anniversary of her accession to the Throne. The Church of England has composed a prayer of thanksgiving for her remarkable reign. The Diamond Jubilee Prayer, written at the Queen's direction by the Chapter of St Paul's Cathedral, is commended for use by the Archbishops of Canterbury and York throughout all parishes:

61 Comments:

Blogger Dodo the "Poly-Nominal" Dude said...

Amen.

31 January 2012 at 22:24  
Blogger Oswin said...

Amen.

1 February 2012 at 00:58  
Blogger non mouse said...

Amen. Vivat.

1 February 2012 at 03:36  
Blogger ENGLISHMAN said...

The only problem is that this is a tissue of lies,having experienced this "devoted service to her lands and peoples"it seems completely at odds with her coronation oath,we should not be praising this parasite,but rather executing it to save us all the tedium of listening to more of its lies and the further destruction of the people of ENGLAND.

1 February 2012 at 08:12  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

Removing all references to Big Sky Fairy, I would otherwise agree with every word, as written by HG.

As for "englishman" - would you really prefer President Blair?

1 February 2012 at 08:22  
Blogger Thomas Keningley said...

I take issue with "who reigns as servant, not master". Jesus is frequently referred to as "rabbi", meaning teacher or master, for example see Matthew 23. So whilst he does reign as the servant king, he is also our master and our Lord to whom we are beholden. Otherwise an excellent prayer.

1 February 2012 at 09:04  
Blogger Albert said...

Thomas, you are quite right. It is a bit odd that part of the prayer considering Jesus himself says:

Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.

There's also the slight worry that any kind of gendered language for God is absent. That could just be as it was written, or it could reflect unscriptural dogma. I'm afraid that sometimes the poor old CofE gets ideas into its head that nothing can shift until the secular culture moves on to another fetish. Otherwise, it's a beautiful prayer.

1 February 2012 at 09:13  
Blogger bluedog said...

Amen indeed, Your Grace, and may this prayer be offered in all churches of all denominations throughout her Majesty's realms.

1 February 2012 at 09:18  
Blogger Preacher said...

Dr Cranmer.
I agree with Thomas & Albert on this. Unless we see Jesus as Lord, How can He be our Saviour?.
IMO the Lord is too often thought of as a celestial servant, or as Mr Bob Dylan put it "You think that God's an errand boy, to satisfy your wandering desires. When you gonna' wake up & strengthen the things that remain?".
I feel it's Ironic that when Her Majesty visits somewhere or even attends a civic function, signs saying 'toilet' are covered & there is general mayhem to ensure that she is treated with respect & honour, new paint is applied & the dignitaries dress in their best.
But reverence for the King & creator of the Cosmos is noticeably lacking, even in the Church it seems. Perhaps our Country would be more blessed if we adjusted the imbalance?.
When We Gonna Wake Up & Strengthen the Things That Remain?.

1 February 2012 at 10:30  
Blogger Berserker said...

Preacher-
You have opened my eyes! 'Toilette' covered up, indeed! Whatever next. And HM probably just says: 'lavatory'.

The lines:
And in devoted service to her lands and peoples,
And those of the Commonwealth...

Commonwealth sounds like an afterthought. Surely, 'her service to her lands and peoples' covers it all?

1 February 2012 at 11:09  
Blogger God and Politics in the UK said...

Jesus is both servant and master. This is an odd line to put in the prayer and very strange phrasing. I understand the point the writers are trying to make, but it's not entirely accurate.

1 February 2012 at 14:06  
Blogger Hereward said...

The theologically dodgy phrase "whose son reigns as servant not master" may have been adopted to reinforce the position that our Queen reigns as a constitutional monarch serving her subjects and not an absolute monarch. The wording does rather understate the office of King of kings and Lord of lords. The use of "son" instead of "Son" when referring to Jesus Christ is at best sloppy and at worst downright disrespectful.

1 February 2012 at 14:42  
Blogger Dodo the "Poly-Nominal" Dude said...

Whatever the precise wording, I'm sure God will understand!

1 February 2012 at 16:18  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

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1 February 2012 at 17:37  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Preacher: "I feel it's Ironic that when Her Majesty visits somewhere or even attends a civic function, signs saying 'toilet' are covered"

Is that true? :O

How mad. Even if it is "lavatory" or perhaps "loo" in very polite society, covering up the word "toilet" is plain daft.

Well done anyway Her Maj for such long service.

1 February 2012 at 17:38  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Amen indeed. Vivat Regina Elizabetha! Vivat! Vivat! Vivat!.

Only wish she could remember, now and then when her eager ministers come to her regarding the betraying of the people of our Nation for the benefit of foreign powers, the full wording of her oath! *Sigh* HeyHo.

Ernst

1 February 2012 at 18:03  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

What’s all this guff about Jesus being a ‘servant’. Let’s get this straight. We KNEEL before our creator, and the worst of us PROSTRATES himself. That’s the beginning and end of it, and it applies to bearded lefty prelates as much as to anyone else…

1 February 2012 at 19:00  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

May her Majesty reign to be a hundred? (That way the Crown might go straight to William instead of the ‘Defender of all faiths’).
The prayer is ever curious, Jesus is Lord. John 13;13-15 You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14 Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. What kind of Christ do these people think we have?
They should have asked Cranmer to write the prayer. The prayers that he wrote in the Prayer Book and elsewhere are an amazing testimony to power and spirit that dwelt within him.

1 February 2012 at 19:43  
Blogger English Viking said...

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1 February 2012 at 21:16  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Have you been drinking Viking ?

1 February 2012 at 21:27  
Blogger Dodo the "Poly-Nominal" Dude said...

Inspector said ...

"What’s all this guff about Jesus being a ‘servant’."

Jesus was truly a Servant and a King? He came to serve. Jesus, the very agent of creation, the one who spoke and the worlds began; the author of the universe; the mind of the maker; He humbled Himself and walked amongst us.

He descended from heaven to become a servant; He returned there the King. But whilst here, His Ministry was one of service to others, epitomised in His washing of the feet of the Apostles.

He took off his crown and gave up His throne. He put aside his Godly nature and came to earth to become a servant. He spent his entire life in service to others. He healed the sick, He fed the hungry, He was a friend to those who had no friends. He had no money. The only crown he ever wore while he was on this earth was a crown of thorns.

1 February 2012 at 22:18  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo the Inspector is happier to be a God fearing man. Was not Jesus showing US how to be; he lowered himself for that purpose....

1 February 2012 at 22:43  
Blogger Dodo the "Poly-Nominal" Dude said...

Inspector

A God loving man, is how I prefer to approach it. He's our friend and companion, ever ready to forgive and assist us. Without Him by our side the Father would be awesome and unapproachable indeed!

1 February 2012 at 22:51  
Blogger English Viking said...

How sad that HG zapped me for expressing my opinion, when he himself claims to value free speech.

You know what HM can do, and HG with her.

1 February 2012 at 23:18  
Blogger Dodo the "Poly-Nominal" Dude said...

Viking

He probably thought you were being tedious!

This post wont kast long,so I hope you see it before ..............arrrggghhh

2 February 2012 at 00:00  
Blogger Tachybaptus said...

While full of gratitude for the great devotion of the Queen to her nation, I have to say that this prayer is obscure. Reading it cold, before seeing any of the comments, I thought that 'God of time and eternity' is a vague, puffy phrase and makes a pointless distinction. If God is the ruler of everything, time and eternity are just part of his realm. 'Whose son reigns as servant, not master' seems a silly bit of logic-chopping, and both its meaning and its intentions elude me. 'This nations, the realms and territories' is strangely imprecise: what is meant by 'realms', or by 'territories', and does the fact that only one of them has 'the' signify anything? Lastly, 'Through Jesus Christ our Lord' may be a standard formula for ending a prayer, but the way it is hung on the end of a sentence beginning in a direct request to God makes no syntactical sense at all. A sloppy job.

2 February 2012 at 01:08  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

True story - my grandpa worked for the British Museum at a number of their sites, and was thus privileged to be involved in the preparations for a royal visit.

Apparently, it was the standard to ensure that Her Majesty would always have access to a pristine, brand-new, entirely unused toilet. (I have no idea if this was on her own orders, or merely those of her attendants).

Of course, she never actually used the toilet, so the gesture was never, I suspect, fully appreciated. More evidence that the Queen is not a mere mortal like the rest of us perhaps.

But my grandpa never tires of telling how for the entire week in the run-up to the visit, the workmen who were paid to install said toilet, used it whenever they needed to go.

I've always thought this makes for one of the most accurate metaphors for British society.

2 February 2012 at 01:54  
Blogger Oswin said...

Annonymous in Belfast:

The museum gets a new lavatory; the Queen has peace of mind; the workmen are relieved. Everyone's a winner....nowt wrong with that; a convenience for all!

2 February 2012 at 16:43  
Blogger Oswin said...

DanJo @17:38 : point of order: in ''very polite society'' it is always 'lavatory' and NEVER 'toilet' or 'loo'! ;o)

2 February 2012 at 16:52  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

I think "loo" is fine for the upper middle classes even if it was originally "gardez l'eau" and therefore a bit too explicit. I suppose before Kate Moss and Pete Doherty, "going to powder one's nose" was also acceptable. Obviously not now though. :O

2 February 2012 at 17:54  
Blogger Oswin said...

DanJo: 'upper middle class' they ain't, if they use the word 'loo'. Mind you, standards are not as they once were. These days one cannot get a decent 'middle class' for love nor money.

2 February 2012 at 22:30  
Blogger Tachybaptus said...

DanJ0: it isn't 'loo' because it's short for gardez l'eau'. It's short for lieu à l'anglaise', 'English place', a name given to early flushing lavatories when they were installed in French royal palaces. It is a tribute to Sir John Harington, a courtier of Queen Elizabeth I, who invented the first practical flushing mechanism and described it in his book The Metamorphosis of Ajax (= 'a jakes', contemporary slang for a lavatory).

'Toilet' comes from toilette, a little cloth. By stages the meaning changed: a cloth to cover a dressing table to keep the wig powder off it; then 'Madame's at her toilette', meaning that she's putting on her face; then the meaning of the phrase changed to 'Madame's in the loo.' Euphemisms shift faster than any other part of language.

3 February 2012 at 00:09  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

I can probably guess what Phil the Greek calls it anyway and it won't be "lavatory", bless him. :)

3 February 2012 at 00:24  
Blogger Elwin Daniels said...

Long live our noble queen indeed.

the thought of her wretched son Charles ascending the throne and becoming leader of the Anglican church....I can only hope that a committee of true believers are meeting in secret to develop a stop-loss plan in this terrible eventuality.

May she live forever.

3 February 2012 at 11:09  
Blogger Hugh said...

Your Grace

Servant not master!

The mysteries of the Trinity, they appeal in so may ways.

3 February 2012 at 12:39  
Blogger Dodo the "Poly-Nominal" Dude said...

Hugh

You've got it in one!

3 February 2012 at 23:18  
Blogger srizals said...

Hugh, he is the servant of God, like the rest of us. That's no mystery.

3 February 2012 at 23:33  
Blogger Dodo the "Poly-Nominal" Dude said...

szrizals

He is both Servant and Master! A part of the Holy Trinity of God.

4 February 2012 at 12:35  
Blogger Oswin said...

Tachybaptus @ 00:09 : thank you for your scholarship Sir. The idiom was further, but inaccurately, strengthened by the clobbering of the Frogs, at Waterloo. An association, I've always suspected, appreciated by Wellington, when alloting the name of the battle.

DanJo @ 00:24 : indeed! I think I'm correct in saying that the Queen Mum, sometimes refered jocularly, to the 'Thunder Box'.

4 February 2012 at 14:55  
Blogger srizals said...

Dodo, I'm sorry but I have to ask, how did you come to that conclusion?

Did Jesus tell you about it?

4 February 2012 at 15:01  
Blogger Dodo the "Poly-Nominal" Dude said...

He sure did srizals. And if you open your heart and listen too, He'll tell you the exact same thing.

God Bless.

4 February 2012 at 15:04  
Blogger srizals said...

But I do open my heart and listen to him, and the message I've discovered is the same from all the lines of messengers that had reached mankind, from the first to the last,

Jesus said,

Matthew
5:17-19

“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

And that's what Muslims been doing for more than a thousand of years, they do not fight unless they were attacked.


"To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged – and verily Allah is Most Powerful for their aid. (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right – (for no cause) except that they say, “Our Lord is Allah.” Had Allah not check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure. Allah will certainly aid those who aid his cause, for truly Allah is full of Strength and Might.

[Sûrah al-Hajj 22:39-40]

What did Jesus tell you, Dodo?

4 February 2012 at 23:22  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

srizals

Reflect on the Words of the Christian Gospel.

"In the beginning was the Word: and the Word was with God: and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. In him was life: and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in darkness: and the darkness did not comprehend it."
(John 1:1)

"He that loves not knows not God: for God is love."
(1 John 4:8)

"Put up again your sword into its place: for all that take the sword shall perish with the sword."
(Matthew 26:52)

"Greater love than this no man has, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
(John 15:13)

"Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this is the spirit of God known. Every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that dissolves Jesus is not of God."
(1 John 4:1)

And yes, I know Christians have not always lived by this message of love, tolerance and acceptance. However, that does not justify ongoing persecution of Christians in Muslim countries. The sad truth is that if I were to discuss these matters with you in your home country I would be committing a crime.

You accept Jesus as a great teacher. Listen to His words.

5 February 2012 at 00:29  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Ps
srizals

"The first commandment of all is, Hear, O Israel: the Lord your God is one God. And you shall love the Lord your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind and with your whole strength. This is the first commandment. And the second is like to it: You shall love your neighbour as yourself. There is no other commandment greater than these."
(Mark 12:30)

5 February 2012 at 00:38  
Blogger len said...

Dodo, It was the Catholic teaching of the Trinity that caused Mohammed to reject Christianity!.

In that way Catholics manufactured their enemy.

5 February 2012 at 11:34  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Chief Priest len

It was the holy, catholic and apostolic church (i.e. the worldwide Christian Church) who defined this in 325 and 381.

Who was Jesus?

Are you a Muslim now?

5 February 2012 at 12:49  
Blogger Oswin said...

Len @ 11:34 : Mohammed's scribe certainly had a few issues with Christians per se, but I think you go way too far with your bald assertion. Remember, the 'excuses' of a perpetrator, are not necessarily the motivations for/of the deed.

5 February 2012 at 16:49  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Oswin

If you've followed some of len's comments on other threads you'll have noted he is closer to Muslims than Chrristians on the nature of God. He is certainly not a Trinitarian, nor is he clear about the Incarnation.

5 February 2012 at 20:49  
Blogger len said...

Dodo, you presume too much!.
You know nothing of my beliefs....my denomination....or even my nationality...my race...
In fact you know nothing about me at all apart from my views of your 'chosen religion'.

I have sympathy for those who follow religions that are based on deception so my sympathy extends to even you.

6 February 2012 at 00:40  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len

You've actually revealed an awful lot about your beliefs in discussions on here.

Sadly, the deception is on your side and I'd encourage you to stop reading and listening to the odd balls you're so drawn to.

6 February 2012 at 15:10  
Blogger len said...

Dodo you are so easy to 'read 'that I shouldn`t really carry on , but you expose the worst facets of religion so perfectly that it seems a pity to waste the opportunity.

I am surprised that the Jesuits haven`t kidnapped you yet, or could you really be a Protestant 'plant', a mole in fact undermining Catholicism from within?.

7 February 2012 at 00:15  
Blogger Oswin said...

Len: what a singularly terrible thought! I know we Protestants have done some terrible things, but that's too fiendish by half! :o)

Nope, the safer bet is that the Jesuits will have him yet; and God help them if they do! One might even pity the poor souls...it would have to be a Wiki-free cell, in a very deep dungeon...preferably sound-proofed, for good measure.

7 February 2012 at 15:42  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Oswin

O,Swine - How unkind.

I'll have you know I'm on friendly terms with the Jesuits and the Dominicans for that matter.

7 February 2012 at 17:15  
Blogger srizals said...

Chill out guys. Watch this for a while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QrG8ooymBKA#!

7 February 2012 at 18:24  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo: There you go already! They're keeping a close watch on you: beware the fatal embrace, the 'kiss of peace'!

Hm, the Black Friars too eh; the 'Domini Canes' sniffing at your heels? Don't go hanging about near their bridge, is my advice!

8 February 2012 at 11:54  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Fighters and scholars to a man the SJ and OP.

8 February 2012 at 18:17  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo: true, but that's not quite my point old quackers. ;o)

8 February 2012 at 23:14  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Oswin, just don't believe everything you read in the press or on the internet. A fertile imagination isn't always a good thing.

9 February 2012 at 16:52  
Blogger Oswin said...

eh?

10 February 2012 at 00:51  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Oswin
eh?

10 February 2012 at 23:10  
Blogger srizals said...

How about this one, Dodo?

The layers of the earth,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=q2fCRlPj07E

How could anyone have such knowledge 1,400 years ago?

A fertile imagination?

10 February 2012 at 23:37  

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