Friday, March 02, 2012

Cameron claims to represent EU majority

Apparently the Prime Minister has been sidelined in Brussels: his 'growth plan' of 'clear targets (and) timetables setting out dates and accountability' has been comprehensively rebuffed by newly-electedappointed President Herman Van Rompuy, while proposals from France and Germany which stressed that 'fiscal consolidation is an essential condition of higher growth and employment' were incorporated 'almost word for word'.

And so the Prime Minister stood up to 'complain', asking 'why it was that the views of 12 countries, representing more than half the EU’s population, had not been reflected'.

Oh, Prime Minister.

Mr Cameron.


The EU was never designed to be democratic, and even less to reflect the will of 'more than half the EU’s population'. Did you not study this in PPE?

Elected politicians are nothing but an inconvenience to EU technocrats and the oligarchical ruling élite. The UK is peripheral geographically, spiritually, politically and constitutionally: France and Germany are the Empire; they wag the Brussels dog.

The European Project is not, has never been, and never will be democratic. Why on earth do our politicians not grasp this? Why, even, does The Sun laud Jack Straw as a 'Hero of Westminster' for demanding that the European Parliament be abolished because of a 'major democratic deficit'? Here he is, in opposition, calling for it to be 'replaced with a new assembly made up of people Westminster and Europe's other national parliaments'. But what did he ever do or say about this when he was Home Secretary or Attorney General? And yet The Sun hails him: "Well said Jack - let's hope they're listening in Brussels..."

But they're not; they never have and they never will. The Union is the creation of civil servants, to whom democracy is naught but an periodic inconvenience. Jean Monnet was never elected to public office, and it was he who laid the plans for what Merkel, Sarkozy and Van Rompuy are presently constructing: a United States of Europe. What else is it now but a single state with an unelected government which may determine how much each member may spend, tax and borrow? The nations state is abolished by the Treaty of Fiscal Union, as Monnet had always intended, and democracy has been incrementally euthanised by the ruling Commission, successive councils of ministers, a facade of a parliament, and a politicised court teleologically pre-ordained to 'ever closer union'.

So, as elected prime ministers are usurped one-by-one and replaced by compliant EU technocrats - as we have seen recently in Greece and Italy - do not be surprised. The EU has form in this matter, having manoeuvred its way into the Conservative Party and maliciously manipulated the downfall of Margaret Thatcher. Referendums of the people are routinely set aside when they yield the wrong answer, as Denmark, France and Ireland have discovered. Nothing will be permitted to derail the super-objective of 'ever closer union'. And certainly not a British Prime Minister bleating from the sidelines about such irrelevances as Anglo-Saxon free markets, accountability and democracy.


Blogger Corrigan1 said...

Cranmer, I agree with all you say about the EU, but full time, professional career politicians like Rumpers and the rest of the tecnocrats in Brussels are to the EU what Cameron and his fellow full time, professional career politicians at Westminster are to Britain. Rumpers et al certainly consider democracy a nuisance in the running of the EU in just the same way as Cameron (like Blair and Brown before him) considers it to be a nuisance in the running of Britain. What we have here is just a turf war between two equally undemocratic outfits. Cameron's commitment to democracy would be more impressive if 80% of the seats at Westminster were not in the gift of the local constituency party.

2 March 2012 at 11:58  
Blogger graham wood said...

Spot on as usual on the EU.
Cameron is astonishly naive if he thinks his voice "counts" with Rumpy, Barossso and the EU establishment.
How many more times do we have to remind this sucker that we never "had a voice in Europe", and that being "at the top table" and having "influence" is a complete illusion?
The man is a laughing stock.

2 March 2012 at 12:32  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
The only time when we had anything to say to the EEC and they listened was when Margaret Thatcher fought for us.

2 March 2012 at 13:02  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace

Spoken with clarity and truthfulness.

What always makes Ernst smile is that our Parliament merely reflects the bigger picture at the EU, as the EU intended.

A Secularist entity in control with elected rpresentatives who have neither the power nor will to change the status quo, on view to show a modicum of supposed democracy but only useful for deceptive purposes.

An unelected judiciary that can enforce and imprison it's own citizens if they do not comply with the declarations of Seculario,.

Have I not said 'ye are gods'. Who on earth ? said that..He who resides in Heaven and has it as his throne and this pathetic lump of molten larva with a covering crust for a footstool.

Cameron feigns indignation and outrage yet knows the reality that must be hidden from us.

Jack Straw/political scumbags in Parliament..will they not say anything for a vote?


2 March 2012 at 13:03  
Blogger G. Tingey said...

Pot, meet Kettle

WHen were bishops ever democratically-elected representatives?

Tu quoque

2 March 2012 at 13:51  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

While Tingey is correct in his assessment, I should point out to him that when attempting to show one's superior intelligence by quoting latin, it's best not to invoke a logical fallacy.

2 March 2012 at 13:59  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

That Tingly chappie @2 March 2012 13:51

"Tu quoque" So Ernst is helping you get an education..

"WHen were bishops ever democratically-elected representatives?"

A bishop like a priest is not elected by his diocese, so why would it naturally follow?? (shhh, keep this to yourself but we are historically a constitutional monarchy and have a state Church enshrined in law...wink wink)

By the process of democratic nomination within our constitution fella, that the person/s specifically chosen by our, unfortunately sometimes, PM's and Government. THAT THERE WILL BE A SET NUMBER OF BISHOPS acting as a counter-balance to naughtiness by others.

It appears that two rights can make a wrong in Tingey's book.
*Humungous Guffaws*

We are getting there, Tingey..carry on that man.


2 March 2012 at 14:06  
Blogger Hereward said...

The hideous strength of the EUSSR is as perturbing as it is depressing. However, in their headlong rush to achieve ever closer union there is but a veneer of unity over the rotten core of hidden agendas and wheels within various wheels.

The Greek PSI debt swap it not a done deal and the Hellenic Republic may yet be sacrificed on the altar of default. Portugal's bond spreads are unhealthy to put it mildly. Spain cannot get its economy under control and lurking in the wings is a French Socialist President carrying a large spanner which might remove a wheel from the Franco-German axis.

Meanwhile the Titanic is being kept afloat by SuperMario Draghi's trillion Euro LTRO bet. A double or nothing throw of the dice which might just avoid disaster but guarantees one hell of a crash if it doesn't. This is underhanded QE using a stolen German credit card and risks igniting a fire on the wrong side of the firewall.

Therefore I do not lose heart.

2 March 2012 at 15:42  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Is there a suggestion of some sort of a conspiracy here, a back stage orchastration by some mysterious force?

If the "European Project is not, has never been, and never will be democratic", just who or what has "teleologically pre-ordained" this "ever closer union" and who or what is working to bring it into being?

If the European Union is the "creation of civil servants" inspired by Jean Monnet original vision of a United States of Europe, then who is organising them today?

Alternatively, is it just the unfolding internal logic of a thoroughly nonsensensical idea that is destined to fail?

Atlas - answers please!

2 March 2012 at 15:54  
Blogger Oswin said...

Cameron, naive or otherwise, has said the words that others need to hear. As you say, Your Grace, Brussels won't listen, but there are many more, more willing to listen, than ever before.

Germany and France may suppose an 'Anschluss Graeco-reich' together with an Italian puppet-state; but no 'Totenkoph Division' of German Tax Inspectors will hold for long. Well, let us hope not...

2 March 2012 at 15:56  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Compliant EU member countries are appointed a ‘Protector’. Non compliant EU states will get a Military Governor.

No. that’s not right, that was Europe under the NAZIs. Then again, on reflection, it IS right, or to be more precise, WILL be right...

2 March 2012 at 17:41  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Inspector; Trim your moustache to just above your top lip and you will be ready for the Chancelor's job.

2 March 2012 at 18:07  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Inspector, do that and you'll be mistaken for Lord Lucan!

2 March 2012 at 19:30  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Gentlemen, You may get out of ze trucks and stretch your legs in zat field, ya ?

2 March 2012 at 19:43  
Blogger Peter Melia said...

The Deputy Prime Minister has had an interesting career in the EU, this from Wiki.
In April 1994, he took up a post at the European Commission, working in the TACIS aid programme to the former Soviet Union.
For two years he was responsible for developing direct aid programmes in Central Asia and the Caucasus, worth €50 million.
He was involved in negotiations with Russia on airline overflight rights, and launched a conference in Tashkent in 1993 that founded TRACECA—an international transport programme for the development of a Transport Corridor for Europe, the Caucasus and Asia.
Vice President and Trade Commissioner Leon Brittan then offered Clegg a job in his private office, as a European Union policy adviser and speech writer.
As part of this role, Clegg was in charge of the EC negotiating team on Chinese and Russian accession talks to the World Trade Organisation.
He must be held in high regard the the EU, a safe pair of hands?

2 March 2012 at 20:51  
Blogger Berserker said...

Dodo... Perhaps the OIG is Lord Lucan!

2 March 2012 at 20:54  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

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2 March 2012 at 21:19  
Blogger Berserker said...

Those brutes France and Germany were never punished for violating Miss Stability and Growth and monetary cane was never applied to Portugal and Greece, and yes, the latter both had previous. And that old bunch of duffers the Commissioners who are supposed to be nasty enforcers let the buggers get away with it. Again what is the point of a bicameral system? One doesn't work so why should two?

Growth - this is some myth. Mr and Mrs Consumer and their credit fuelled clothes are looking decidedly tatty and the worse for wear. 'Make do and Mend" If governments were really honest they would tell us that it might be twenty years before we are out of this recession. People can get used to the idea of not spending money and if the savings rates ever increase again that's where the money will go.

2 March 2012 at 21:45  
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2 March 2012 at 21:45  
Blogger bluedog said...

Excellent comment, Your Grace.

And so the EU marches towards its finale, irrespective of Dave's bleating.

The people of Europe are ignored by their elites in this post-democratic world of the EU, and inevitably, the people will ignore their elites. This mutual revulsion promises civil strife on a scale not seen since 1848. Which is precisely what the EU was established to avoid, a delicious irony.

Has the Sun taken leave of its senses in lauding the odious Jack Straw? He was the architect of uncontrolled immigration in the UK in a deliberate attempt to destroy the ethnicity of the British nation. If Andrew Neather were to give evidence under oath we may get a hint of this awful truth. Of course, there is an implied Attainder at Westminster which precludes investigation of these matters.

In any event comrades, come the revolution, Jack Straw will be an early candidate for summary execution. Straw has been tried in absentia (enjoy the Latin, Tingly) and found guilty.

2 March 2012 at 21:47  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Berserker. Them that makes the rules calls the shots. As Tony Hancock would say, “Isn’t it marvellous, we’re heading for poverty street so foreigners with a handful of goats can have the same standard of living we used to have”

2 March 2012 at 21:50  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Inspector @ 21.50, the goat is a much maligned and misunderstood animal. Indeed the goat is the world's largest source of red-meat protein, greatly enjoyed by potential migrants from the Balkans and east to beyond the Hindu Kush. This communicant has long held the view that until the Slough ummah invade the playing fields of Eton seeking better grazing for their goats, Dave will not really understand the future of Britain.

2 March 2012 at 22:26  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Don’t get the Inspector wrong, that blue dog, the goat is a noble animal, and superior in worth when compared to our EU traitor politicians. The point the Inspector was trying to make is that with the help of 51 million sterling leaving these shores daily, on top of various bailout funds we’ve provided, even a goat herder is quids in compared to John Bull. Meanwhile, our young kick tin cans around the street...

2 March 2012 at 22:34  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

Elected politicians are nothing but an inconvenience to EU technocrats and the oligarchical ruling élite.

Absolutely correct, and the civil and secret services work for our oligarchical ruling elites.

Only don't write this type of thing too often Your Grace otherwise people will simply write you off as some kind of mad conspiracy theorist, as they so often do myself.

Telling people the truth is never easy, but telling them huge elephant in the living room sized truisms which should be as plainly seen as the nose on their face, is all but an impossible hiding to nothing.

The public seem incapable of understanding that they are living within one great big lie.

This lie has many names, the two most notable are The Matrix, and The Great Conspiracy.

By the nature of such things, it is all but impossible to properly explain to people the true nature of that which all but completely surrounds them.

A bit like trying to explain to a fish what spending ones entire life swimming in water is like. The fish cannot conceive its existence, any other way, and therefore pays no heed to its wholly aquatic environment.

The fish has an excuse, for it is also an extremely stupid creature, bereft of a conscious mind, therefore incapable of any kind of divinely inspired thinking.

Human beings however should know better.

One way to explain the human condition is by reciting the story of the Emperors New Cloths.

It is not a perfect analogy but it helps the victim to get a grip on matters.

People are wonderful creations but they do have a tendency to sheep like, as well as tribal behavior.

These two facts alone make the common masses remarkable easy to manipulate given that the manipulator has control of many aspects of society. These currently being, ALL established religions, media, cultural, educational, scientific, political, financial, governmental, and military institutions.

Our oligarchical ruling elites have faithfully and assiduously invested many trillions, and over many generations amassing control over virtually everything that goes into, and therefore out of our minds; they are not about to give it all up because of the likes of you or me.

The best we can ask for is mercy for the people, and try to keep control of what little of our own minds will may still posses.

You never know with a lot of luck, and divine intervention the people may someday WAKE-UP, but somehow I very much doubt that they ever will, even with plenty of both.

3 March 2012 at 00:40  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

With a considerably more Eurosceptical record than any member of the present Cabinet other than Iain Duncan Smith, Jack Straw has called for the European Parliament to be abolished, replaced with a body of appointees of and from the Parliaments of the member-states.

But even that does not go far enough. If the Council of Ministers met in public and published an Official Report akin to Hansard, until which time British Ministers ought to adopt the show-stopping Empty Chair Policy, then there would be no need for a European Parliament or Assembly of any kind.

The sort of characters who turn up in the Council of Ministers would continue to make the most important point made by the European Parliament, namely that our participation in the EU subjects us to the legislative will of Stalinists and Trotskyists, neo-Fascists and neo-Nazis, members of Eastern Europe’s kleptomaniac nomenklatura, neoconservatives such as now run France and Germany, people who believe the Provisional Army Council to be the sovereign body throughout Ireland, Dutch ultra-Calvinists who will not have women candidates, and Daniel Cohn-Bendit of das da (have a Google). Soon to be joined by Turkey’s Islamists, secular ultranationalists, and violent Kurdish Marxist separatists.

We need legislation with five simple clauses. First, the restoration of the supremacy of British over EU law, and its use to repatriate agricultural policy and to restore our historic fishing rights in accordance with international law. Secondly, the requirement that, in order to have any effect in the United Kingdom, all EU law pass through both Houses of Parliament as if it had originated in one or other of them.

Thirdly, the requirement that British Ministers adopt the show-stopping Empty Chair Policy until such time as the Council of Ministers meets in public and publishes an Official Report akin to Hansard. Fourthly, the disapplication in the United Kingdom of any ruling of the European Court of Justice or of the European Court of Human Rights unless confirmed by a resolution of the House of Commons. And fifthly, the disapplication in the United Kingdom of anything passed by the European Parliament but not by the majority of those MEPs certified as politically acceptable by one or more seat-taking members of the House of Commons.

Jack Straw, and with him Ed Miliband, over to you.

3 March 2012 at 22:22  
Blogger David Lindsay said...

There could usefully be in the European Parliament one citizen of each member-state appointed by the Leader of each of the Groups (pretendy EU-wide parties) of elected MEPs, and the same by the representative of the non inscrits on the Conference of Presidents. Or even a whole Senate, a second chamber of such appointees, with each member-state having a number of Senators equal to its number of votes in the Council of Ministers when Qualified Majority Voting is employed.

Confrontation with the fact who among our compatriots were deemed appropriate legislators by several of those would certainly bring home to the British people, among others, the reality of those to whose legislative will we were subject both in the European Parliament and in the Council of Ministers. The Council of Ministers, in which we are now being legislated for by the totally unelected governments of Italy and Greece.

3 March 2012 at 22:47  
Blogger Richard Gadsden said...

The Eurosceptics are losing in the three-cornered struggle for the EU because so many of them don't even realise that it is three-cornered.

Why on Earth anyone thinks that the European Parliament - the least powerful and the most democratic of the EU's three institutions - is any sort of obstacle to democracy in the EU, I have no idea.

Far better to abolish the Commission, and replace it with a Cabinet that is directly responsible to the Parliament in the same way that HMG is responsible to the House of Commons.

Invert the relationship between Parliament and Commission so the Parliament is in control and not the Commission and you'll start closing that deficit.

Anyone who has accused the House of Commons of being too subservient to the executive should go and see the European Parliament - but that is the inevitable result of not giving the Parliament any power. Let them control the budget, let them sack Commissioners by simple no-confidence (without any requirement for proof of wrongdoing). Then you'll get back some democracy.

Certainly you can object that some decisions should not be taken at EU level, but, short of abolishing the EU (not one country leaving it, but all 27 jointly abolishing it), there will be an EU and there will be decisions taken by it. Britain's role in the EU should be to push more power to the Parliament and less to the Commission.

For those who note that MEPs are second-raters, well, they are, of course, correct. So what? Given that the only places with any real power are the Council of Ministers and the Commission, and you get to either only through the Commons (Cockfield and Ashton were Lords first, all other British Commissioners were MPs) why would a first-rater interested in Europe want to be an MEP and not an MP?

Let the Parliament choose the Commission, presumably in practice from amongst its own number, and politicians of the first rank will head there - look how first-rate Scots often choose to be MSPs rather than MPs, given the location of political power in Scotland.

5 March 2012 at 18:41  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Richard, I was going along with your argument until you spoiled it by the referrence to the Scottish Parliament. In the main, the only MSP's of any calibre are in the SNP and even there they're few in number!

5 March 2012 at 23:09  

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