Friday, March 09, 2012

Jack Straw attacks Muslims over gay marriage

The former Shadow Deputy Prime Minister Jack Straw has attacked the opposition to marriage equality by mosques and Muslims of Great Britain.

Mr Straw served as Home, Foreign and Justice Secretary under New Labour. He was Foreign Secretary when civil partnerships were introduced but was absent from the vote, as he was from most LGBT rights legislation.

In the Lancashire Telegraph he writes: “ A central principle common to all world religions is the idea that we should behave towards others in the way in which we would expect others to behave towards us. Mohammed devotes much of his teaching to this theme, declaring in his last sermon: "Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you."

"'Mankind are the family of God, and the most beloved of them to God are those who are the most excellent to His family', and 'Not one of you believes until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself' are two of his most powerful, and enduring, messages about how individuals, local communities, and whole societies, should live peacefully, and happily, with others.”

Mr Straw questions if the leaders of British Islam are practising these essential teachings of Mohammed.

He writes: “I happen to be, in the modern jargon, ‘straight’. It doesn’t make me a better person.

“I didn’t choose to be straight. It’s how I am. It would be no different if I were gay. I would neither be a better, nor a worse, person because of it. It would simply be how I was.

“Because I am straight, I have a right to marry a woman. But if I were a gay man, or a lesbian woman, in love with another gay man, or lesbian woman, I can get to a half-way house with a “civil partnership”, but the law currently says that I cannot marry.”

Muslims spread homophobia and oppose the civil liberties of homosexual people, and they do not welcome them into their mosques. Mr Straw berates Muslim leaders for believing on the basis of the Qur'an and Islamic tradition that marriage is between a man and a woman and will not accept that this needs to change.

Lord (Adam) Patel, President of the Masjid e Tauheedul Islam, the Central Mosque of Blackburn in Mr Sraw's constituency, compared 'haram' plans for gay marriage with eating a bacon sandwich: "Allah (peace be upon him) created female for male and people who are gays have been punished in the past," he said. Quoting the Qur'an, he explained: "And Lut! When he said unto his folk: Will you commit an obscenity that none has ever committed before you? You fulfil your lust on men instead of women? Indeed, you are a wanton nation."

According to Muslims, there can be no 'nikah' - the Islamic matrimonial contract - between gays and lesbians. Mr Straw admonishes them: “Some mosque leaders say the law should stay that way, on the spurious grounds that the sanctity and importance of heterosexual marriage will somehow be damaged. How, why?

“I know of no-one who is married who feels threatened by the idea that another couple, same sex, wishes to cement their love for each other by marrying.

“Why should this not be a matter of celebration, rather than of prohibition?”

He ends asking: “How on earth do these Mosque leaders square their present stand with those qur'anic injunctions about treating others as you would expect to be treated yourself?"

O, hang on. His Grace has got it ever so slightly wrong. Apologies.

150 Comments:

Blogger Sam Vega said...

Oh, come on, play fair! I'm sure Jack thinks these thoughts very loudly indeed.

9 March 2012 at 09:48  
Blogger jack said...

Islamic Marriage offers the better match for your life partner.

9 March 2012 at 10:00  
Blogger Nowhere man said...

Proof, if proof were needed, that our Jack is on his last lap as the MP for Blackburnistan.

9 March 2012 at 10:13  
Blogger Derek T Northcote said...

He's not wrong.

9 March 2012 at 10:38  
Blogger Jimbo said...

Why are the Muslims complaining? Once Cameron and parliament redefines marriage allowing same sex marriage. The Muslim community then have the right to force Mr Cameron to redefine marriage to allow four wives. And Mr Cameron will have no arguments against this. For polygamy has been recognised in more cultures over a longer period of time than same sex marriage.

9 March 2012 at 10:57  
Blogger Youthpasta said...

Your Grace,
Is it me or have some of your communicants failed to read the links which point out that you have been lampooning Mr Straw's comments against Christianity through suggesting that he should say them to Muslims by such a statement as you suggest?

THINK, people, THINK!

And, sadly, as usual we see a politician who does not realise that this "halfway house" of civil partnerships was not only promised to be nothing in the way of preparing the way for gay marriage (lying bunch of toe-rags the lot of them! I'd be willing to bet that His Bliarness will soon pass a positive comment on the idea of gay marriage, even though he is supposed to bend the knee to Rome) but also is not a halfway house at all but fully comparable, in a legal sense, with marriage and that his arguments do not hold water.

9 March 2012 at 11:05  
Blogger bluedog said...

Jack Straw is straight? Pull the other one, he couldn't lie straight in bed.

9 March 2012 at 11:05  
Blogger Nicodemus said...

Our politicians are blind, and if the blind follow the blind, they will all fall into a pit.

9 March 2012 at 11:12  
Blogger Arden Forester said...

So Jack Straw is an authority on Islam now? Maybe there are some muslims who speak unkindly about homosexuals and they should not, but Islam is an Abrahamic faith and it does not include same sex activity as part of its belief system. Simple.

This is the start of a crackdown on religious belief. I now think we will have to be careful, very careful, in case the law is used to beat us about the conscience. I can take my head being beaten!

I can see people like myself being arrested (on the basis of being an accomplice) for not recognising women bishops and refusing to officiate at gay weddings in church.

"Conscience go hang" is the new Coalition message. All very regrettable.

9 March 2012 at 11:23  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace;
I note from your Twitter log that Tim Montgomerie says Marriage is good but bad for Politics. It puts party on right side of history but...wrong side of target voters.
In the Independent Mr Montgomerie said: ’Conservatives should want as many people as possible to live in institutions and social norms that promote stability, faithfulness and compassion. Marriage is an institution at the centre of society. It is because I value it so much that I want it to be extended’.
So Mr Montgomerie, What is wrong with the Civil Ceremony arrangement. And does the Party know better than the voters that they are meant to represent.
Jack Straw thinks he understands the Qur'an better than the Mullers. Just as opponents of Christianity think they understand the principles of God. Yes, it is said, do unto others as you would have them do unto you, but that does not cut across Gods Greater Commandments for his people to obey. (I want to do whatever I want so you can do whatever you want).

9 March 2012 at 11:26  
Blogger john in cheshire said...

YG, as you imply, if Mr Straw were to voice these thoughts with specific reference to his muslim constituents, I suspect his life wouldn't be worth living. But it's OK, it's only Christians who need to be reviled by this lickspittle; they'll do him no harm. And in attacking the Christians he aids in the destruction of our Judeo-Christian civilisation so his marxist pals can reign supreme. Except he's too stupid to visualise what will happen to him and all the other Christian-hating atheists, when the muslims feel they have gained sufficient power in our nation.

9 March 2012 at 11:36  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

He writes: “I happen to be, in the modern jargon, ‘straight’. It doesn’t make me a better person.

Of course it does.

Psalm 125:5 says: ‘But those who turn to crooked ways the LORD will banish with the evildoers.’

It is clearly better to be straight than crooked.

“I didn’t choose to be straight. It’s how I am.” The suggestion is that that which is genetically determined should not be the subject of criticism – and rightly so.

But that argument, even if it were true, would cut both ways.

“Genetic and Environmental Influences on Individual Differences in Attitudes Toward Homosexuality: An Australian Twin Study” (2008) clearly suggests that anti-homosexual attitudes are genetically determined.

He then throws all reason out of the window: ‘Because I am straight, I have a right to marry a woman.’

It is well known that Sarkozy attempted to seduce one of his school teachers – would he then have had the right to marry her (if she were single)?

The Burden sisters (wishing to avoid Inheritance Tax) were denied a Civil Partnership – they are also denied the ‘right’ to marry. Why didn’t Jack Straw (or Cameron) take up their case?

Homosexuals already have the right to marry – so long as they meet the criteria.

So what is their real objective: full social acceptance for their practices.

When Cameron (supported by Labour) introduce homosexual ‘marriage’; the next success (under Human Rights legislation) will be to compel priests to ‘marry’ them; the churches will ban all marriages on their premises; and, the result will be that the Conservative Party will be blamed by thousands of couples who will be denied church weddings.

9 March 2012 at 11:40  
Blogger GGAANN said...

Humourless lot of commentators this morning -

Did they not sense one of His_Grace's preferred styles?

Did they not think a modern politician having a go at Moslem theology a statistical anomaly ?

Did they not sense their knees jerking ?

READ THE LINKS PEOPLE!

9 March 2012 at 11:47  
Blogger Flossie said...

His Grace is such a rascal!

9 March 2012 at 11:49  
Blogger Corrigan1 said...

Ah, yes, the old "do unto others" ploy, if not the last refuge of the scoundrel, certainly that of the liberal. Analagous to the "forgive those who wrong you" stratagem, it takes no account of the prior requirement for repentence and is an absolute "must have" for the for today's trendy secularist. Right on, Jack, right on.

9 March 2012 at 11:50  
Blogger Phoebe said...

Gosh, nice try, but Jack Strawman didn't address the Muslim argument.
What an excellent move to tell Muslims they need to change their Q'ranic understanding of marriage and Islamic Tradition, because Jack knows best. How patronising.

And don't you just love the anecdotal 'evidence'.. " I know married couples"

Straw has missed the point. Gay people have equality and the right to get married, just not to each other.

If I want to join the cricket club. I have to play cricket.

9 March 2012 at 11:51  
Blogger Michael said...

There's more to Islam than the Koran. I think the part in Umdat-al-Salik, the shaafi manual of sharia endorsed by Al Azhar, about how gays should be thrown off cliff-tops, might have something to do with Muslims' objection to gays living, let alone marrying.

Moreover, in the verses he quotes, perhaps he does not realise that when the Koran says "brother" it means "fellow Muslim", not one's neighbour.

Mr Straw should research his Islam more thoroughly.

9 March 2012 at 11:54  
Blogger D. Singh said...

Your Grace

He writes: “I happen to be, in the modern jargon, ‘straight’. It doesn’t make me a better person.

Of course it does.

Psalm 125:5 says: ‘But those who turn to crooked ways the LORD will banish with the evildoers.’

It is clearly better to be straight than crooked.

“I didn’t choose to be straight. It’s how I am.” The suggestion is that that which is genetically determined should not be the subject of criticism – and rightly so.

But that argument, even if it were true, would cut both ways.

“Genetic and Environmental Influences on Individual Differences in Attitudes Toward Homosexuality: An Australian Twin Study” (2008) clearly suggests that anti-homosexual attitudes are genetically determined.

He then throws all reason out of the window: ‘Because I am straight, I have a right to marry a woman.’

It is well known that Sarkozy attempted to seduce one of his school teachers – would he then have had the right to marry her (if she were single)?

The Burden sisters (wishing to avoid Inheritance Tax) were denied a Civil Partnership – they are also denied the ‘right’ to marry. Why didn’t Jack Straw (or Cameron) take up their case?

Homosexuals already have the right to marry – so long as they meet the criteria.

So what is their real objective: full social acceptance for their practices.

When Cameron (supported by Labour) introduce homosexual ‘marriage’; the next success (under Human Rights legislation) will be to compel priests to ‘marry’ them; the churches will ban all marriages on their premises; and, the result will be that the Conservative Party will be blamed by thousands of couples who will be denied church weddings.

9 March 2012 at 11:58  
Blogger D. Singh said...

“Some… leaders say the law should stay that way, on the spurious grounds that the sanctity and importance of heterosexual marriage will somehow be damaged. How, why?”

As the American anthropologist Stanley Kurtz observes – it takes about 15 years for the damage to materialize:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/660zypwj.asp

‘British demographer Kathleen Kiernan, the acknowledged authority on the spread of cohabitation and out-of-wedlock births across Europe, divides the continent into three zones. The Nordic countries are the leaders in cohabitation and out-of-wedlock births. They are followed by a middle group that includes the Netherlands, Belgium, Great Britain, and Germany. Until recently, France was a member of this middle group, but France's rising out-of-wedlock birth-rate has moved it into the Nordic category. North American rates of cohabitation and out-of-wedlock birth put the United States and Canada into this middle group. Most resistant to cohabitation, family dissolution, and out-of-wedlock births are the southern European countries of Spain, Portugal, Italy, and Greece, and, until recently, Switzerland and Ireland. (Ireland's rising out-of-wedlock birth-rate has just pushed it into the middle group.)

‘These three groupings closely track the movement for gay marriage. In the early nineties, gay marriage came to the Nordic countries, where the out-of-wedlock birth-rate was already high. Ten years later, out-of-wedlock birth rates have risen significantly in the middle group of nations. Not coincidentally, nearly every country in that middle group has recently either legalized some form of gay marriage, or is seriously considering doing so. Only in the group with low out-of-wedlock birth-rates has the gay marriage movement achieved relatively little success.’

9 March 2012 at 12:15  
Blogger AnonymousInBelfast said...

Correlation is not necessarily causation.

Anecdotally, though, I have observed that those people I know who are most fervently against the mainstream teaching on homosexuality in Christianity are almost always against the Church's view of marriage anyway. More than once I've heard: "Marriage is meaningless/wrong/mysogynistic and I'm not going to have one" and "LGBT people should have full marriage rights".

I've since come to accept that because they genuinely see no value in marriage, and being of an essentially "progressive" mindset, they see no reason why groups would want to restrict its practice and consequently no reason why they should be allowed to do so. The idea that those restrictions are often the basis of its value to many people never seems to give them much pause.

Good old Jack Straw, though for so "fearlessly" picking the difficult target. (I am forced to wink wink nudge nudge by posts above).

9 March 2012 at 13:06  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

You see the thing is that some Christians actually do use Christ's words and St Paul's to condone sin and justify lifestyles and behaviours that contradict the Bible and God's manifest purposes for us.

Love is not staying silent in the face of wrong and harmful conduct. Let's remember that all action outside of God's purpose is harmful to the individual and ultimately to wider society. God's law is implanted on our hearts for a reason. Love is accepting the person, unconditionally, but rejecting sinful behaviour.

9 March 2012 at 13:17  
Blogger Terry Hudson said...

Thank you, your Grace.
Very entertaining, and a sad reflection on the cowardice of jackstraw and his like.
Criticise the church by all means, but never a word about Islam!
Well done, good point, well made!

9 March 2012 at 13:36  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Incidentally,

In the Lancashire Telegraph Straw writes: “ A central principle common to all world religions is the idea that we should behave towards others in the way in which we would expect others to behave towards us.

Presume that is the basis for bombing us which is in response to bombing them which is in response to bombing us? What the hell are we doing in these muslim countries, they despise us and our way of life and all this country is to them is a meal ticket and decent house with facilities!

He further says "
“I know of no-one who is married who feels threatened by the idea that another couple, same sex, wishes to cement their love for each other by marrying." Ernst presumes if Ernst and Mrs B and other elderly couples around us write to you that we DO 'feel threatened by the idea' this will change your mind?

There is a reason why this 'idea' (which is of such monumental proportions for this nation that it should be voted on) will not be put to the democratic manner...The people who are always most likely to vote are the elderly! Fait Accompli, what!

We may soon find that God says He will NOT be mocked and the consequences.

Ernst

9 March 2012 at 14:07  
Blogger D. Singh said...

My Blofeld you nearly brought me down in tears:

'We may soon find that God says He will NOT be mocked and the consequences.'

9 March 2012 at 14:15  
Blogger gresham58 said...

It is very easy, the Mullahs, Cardinals, Bishops Et Al need to tell their flocks to pray that their God move into David Cameron's and the rest of the cabinets' hearts that they change their minds about this. If we have a governmental U Turn mission accomplished, if not then perhaps a God who made the universe isn't really bothered about the semantics of homosexual relationships.

9 March 2012 at 14:28  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Bit harsh singling out Straw = he is one of very few politicians to have openly challenged some of the practices of Muslims directly.

'Jack Straw wrote in a newspaper that a veil was "a visible statement of separation and difference" and that he was more comfortable dealing with female visitors to his local political office with their faces uncovered.

But Muslim leaders in Straw's Blackburn constituency in northwest England said many Muslim women would find his comments "offensive and disturbing."


http://articles.cnn.com/2006-10-06/world/uk.straw_1_lancashire-telegraph-muslim-women-veil?_s=PM:WORLD

9 March 2012 at 14:30  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

When Sraw described himself as "straight" was this an offensive remark? It implies an opposite - "bent". Isn't something "bent" unfit for its intended purpose. A "bent" policeman vis a vis a "straight" policemen?

He needs more diversity training! I'm required to attend a 5 day course next week at great public expense. Oh, what fun I'm going to have!

9 March 2012 at 14:36  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Ernst, good to see righteously enraged about this undemocratic attack on the fundamental building block of our civilisation.

Now do have a quiet word in the 'shell like' of your fellow treveller. He's arguing on another thread its unloving to be critical of homosexuality - the act, that is, not the tendency. Us Catholics do draw a distinction as you know.

9 March 2012 at 14:42  
Blogger graham wood said...

Mr D Singh
I would be grateful if you would contact a brother in arms

grahamwood32@yahoo.co.uk

Thanks!

9 March 2012 at 14:47  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Mr Singh, interesting research.

You will note too the figures also track Orthodoxism and Catholicism. The high and middle ranked groups you reference being Protestant nations.

Prysbeterian and Congregational Churchs are liberally minded towards homosexuality, as is Anglicanism. Maybe the critical factor is the strength of orthodox faith in these nations and the discipline that comes from authoritative teaching through established churches.

On this basis, we can expect steady increases in Ireland, Portugal and Spain in tolerance towards homosexuality and children born outside of marriage and in cohabitation. Greece won't be too far behind either.

9 March 2012 at 15:00  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

The Churches and some the followers of this Blog, froth around the mouth in obsessing with peoples private bedroom lives yet are somehow stridently silent when the seeds of what their missionaries have sown go disasterously wrong.

So much bile and invective (however thinly veiled)towards atheists, secularists, and homosexuals is deemed more 'important' than resolving the consequences their own Churches shortcomings.

Joseph Kony ascended to power in the late 1980s when he exploited the tensions over a peace agreement brokered by two major Ugandan militias.
He founded the Lord's Resistance Army ostensibly to bring Uganda under the rule according to the Biblical Ten Commandments.
However, Kony stopped attending church when he was 15 and practices of kind of Christianity mixed with African spirituality, believing the sign of the cross will physically protect him and his soldiers from harm.
The bulk of Kony's Lord's Resistance Army is reportedly made up of child soldiers who were abducted from their villages and forced to fight for him.
His army has reportedly raided many villages over the years, killing the adults and abducting up to 66,000 children.
The boys are given weapons and conscripted into his militia. The girls are forced to become sex slaves.



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2112425/Joseph-Konys-child-soldiers-Invisible-Children-video-captures-hearts-millions.html#ixzz1odCkwLuY

Get involved and finish what you started.

9 March 2012 at 15:15  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Some who are NOT naturally attracted to be Religio-politico blog commenters here, suggest that we (religioso's) "..froth around the mouth in obsessing with peoples private bedroom lives yet are somehow stridently silent when the seeds of what their missionaries have sown go disasterously wrong."

Ernst has not commented on what anyone does in their bedromm but that to drag us all into this 'perversion and ram it 'gavage' down throats that prefer not to, very publicly is what concerns others or was Will Young last night on QT, not only expressing his own 'hate crime' towards others different to his quaint-queer views and own lifestyle choice.

"stridently silent when the seeds of what their missionaries have sown go disasterously wrong." You appear to be using the same analogy that numpty Will Self used last night regarding the institution of Marriage. That people abuse it as Heterosexuals does not invalidate marriage anymore than fraudulent claims on Car Insurance invalidates the policy holder who honours the terms of the contract.

They do wrong within the specified terms of the contract, could it be simpler?

Its called freewill lad, been a bit of a problem for many millenia, has it not! Not exactly a mystery is it?

Ernst.

9 March 2012 at 15:42  
Blogger Berserker said...

Contrast the Christian: '...do to others what you would have them do to you...'
with the Mohammed dictum: 'Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you'.

These commands are not really alike at all.

Whatever translation of Matthew is used the Christian version is full of empathy and the Moslem stricture is the path of pain and violence. 'Hurt' versus the somewhat wooly 'do'.

If I were a Moslem swordsman on horseback it would mean 'don't cut of that bugger's head because someone else might do the same to you!'

No trace of altruism here. It is just about pragmatic self preservation.

9 March 2012 at 16:01  
Blogger Oswin said...

With late afternoon sunlight playing across my screen I almost missed the blue of Your Grace's 'links'! :o)

9 March 2012 at 16:03  
Blogger Lakester91 said...

Berserker

A very good point. It is interesting when people say that the 'Golden Rule' has existed throughout history and before Christianity. The rule they mean is 'Don't give people an excuse to do the same back to you' which is a good rule for survival, but does not attend to motives, just stops people doing bad things like a sticking plaster. An extrapolation of this is 'Don't do anything you can't get away with'. Christ's teaching is very different. It says that your motives must be as pure as your actions. Even if no one will ever know, you choose good over evil.

9 March 2012 at 16:33  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Get over yourself Blofart - you are an empty drum in love with yourself and your own hollowness.

If this is all you have to offer on the role of your Church and the plight of 66,000 kids - its no wonder your pews are empty if you and the 'religiosos' you so modestly speak for, are anywhere near representative of the majority of Christians.

9 March 2012 at 17:01  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

If I want to join the cricket club. I have to play cricket.

9 March 2012 11:51

Not if Kents last few seasons are anything to go by you don't, although I take your point.

If The CofE is a private club it should be able to make up its own rules and regulations.

If it is not, then perhaps it is well past time it became one.

Our problem is that we have already allowed the principle of property rights to be eroded by the state, most especially over the last 15 years.

If the government can get away with banning an otherwise perfectly legal activity such as smoking, within privately owned premisses then we are already well and truly down a very slippery path indeed.

I am not a smoker, but I have hardly been in a pub for more then a swift pint since this ban was imposed. This because very few who I would wish to talk to, goes to the pub anymore. Those that still go to the pub, are either permanently outside in the cold, or keep disappearing every 20 mins or so.

Pubs are now fast disappearing from our culture, high streets, and country side; many churches will of course do the same when their customers realize that Holy scripture and their church who long since parted company, and have now signed the official divorce papers.

Of course the local church could start to offer a full dinning menu, child play facilities, pool tables, live heavy metal bands, and the occasional strip act, but the writing would be well and truly on the wall for the vast majority of them.

This was the main reason why we had inflicted upon us such a draconian smoking ban, as it was also the main reason why our owners have spent/invested so much of our money and their effort on the promotion of gay marriage wherever they could find a willing audience.

The people who run the show don't care for gay's anymore or any less then they do the rest, but they do most desperately want to close down any avenues for organized or otherwise protestation.

Protestantism is just yet another item on the establishments to go list and has been for a considerable amount of time.

All Christian denominations were infiltrated from the top many years ago.

Once protestantism has been sufficiently undermined and marginalized, the more tricky business of smashing all Christian, Judaic and Islamic fundamentalism will begin in earnest.

This is a far more difficult nut to crack, and will require much spilling of blood to say the very least, and ultimately the apparent coming of a new Christ figure to impress the masses, and so unify all of the worlds religion into one. This new religion to be administered from The Vatican, of course.

At this point....

Well lets put it this way, we all know where shepherds take every member of their flock in the end, when they have finished repeatedly fleecing them, don't we?

Exactly when this will happen I don't think even the proverbial THEY know for sure, but it will happen one day, sometime within the next 5-100 years IMO.

9 March 2012 at 17:16  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Dreadnaught

Kony is a fanatic. He joined the premillennialist group the 'Holy Spirit Movement' and claims to receive directions from a spirit.

His brand of religion is a mix of African witchcraft and a form of christian end-time theology believing Jesus is physically about to return for a 1000 year reign.

Please don't see him as a representative of Christ! The guy is in all probability insane.

9 March 2012 at 17:21  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

What a laugh Your Grace, you’re on a jolly again, and confusing your communicants, what ! The very idea of asking muslims to accept gay marriage !

Not even Stonewall would do that, as one fancies they would rather the contents of their offices were not blown out onto the street. No, No ,No. You won’t find one gay man with AIDs prepared to bet his diseased behind on that happening, that’s for sure…

9 March 2012 at 17:32  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Kony is most likely just a typical violent African. Extremely thick, immoral and probably lazy thrown in too. It’s called the African heritage, don’t you know...

9 March 2012 at 17:40  
Blogger non mouse said...

Brilliant, Your Grace. Thank you.

One assumes that Straw has refuted the Jewish part of his heritage, at this stage.

9 March 2012 at 17:49  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

...[he]claims to receive directions from a spirit...

Don't you all? - Saints and sinners alike seem to claim this at some time or other - I was lead to believe that this is what you see as the essence of your religion.

The point I'm making is that the Church would rather focus on the issue of legalising of SSM in the UK than engage with the consequences of their own failed work in Africa.

They murder gays in Christian countries just the same as in Muslim ones but where is the roar of Christian outrage compared to that over ownership of a word.

9 March 2012 at 18:01  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Office of Inspector General said...Kony is most likely just a typical violent African. Extremely thick, immoral and probably lazy thrown in too. It’s called the African heritage, don’t you know..

Your racism and bigotry is a disgrace to anyone with a white skin you detestable MORON.

9 March 2012 at 18:05  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Dreadnaught: "Don't you all? - Saints and sinners alike seem to claim this at some time or other - I was lead to believe that this is what you see as the essence of your religion."

I was thinking exactly the same thing.

9 March 2012 at 18:10  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Get stuffed Dreadnaught. Well tired of the likes of you turning a blind eye to activities of violent blacks. Why don’t you leave your boat and go and live in Tottenham, but you won’t will you. You stay up in Lancaster, no problem with the gangstas there....

9 March 2012 at 18:13  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

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9 March 2012 at 18:35  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Keep diggin Dumkopf.

9 March 2012 at 18:42  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Dreadnaught and Trainee weasel DanJ0

I think you'll find it's more the 'born again' brigade who claim a direct line to the Holy Spirit.
Dangerous as it lets all sorts of odd beliefs gain ground. As I've repeatedly said on here, reliance on one's own judgement in matters of faith is potentially dangerous.

And I wouldn't disagree about worldwide injustice but that doesn't mean one should neglect what is going on at home under one's noses. Besides, the host of the blog determines the issues we discuss.

9 March 2012 at 18:59  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

I've had Christians from across the spectrum claim some sort of direct personal relationship with god. One seminary college Catholic from the Telegraph pages claimed that he talked with god and that it was as though god were in the room like another person.

9 March 2012 at 19:09  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

The Christians who don't experience that tend to get a bit antsy when others say that they have. I suppose they feel like second-class versions, or perhaps even question whether they're 'doing it right'.

9 March 2012 at 19:11  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Trainee weasel DanJ0

Christianity is, of course, a direct personal relationship with God. And praying is a two way conversation.

This is entirely different to the personal "revelation" claimed by Kony. Before commenting you really should try to find out a bit more about the subject. That way you might not appear quite so stupid.

9 March 2012 at 19:54  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Loving the Holy Spirit working through you over the last day or two, Dodo. You're like a City On A Hill for Christianity. :)

9 March 2012 at 20:06  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

it's more the 'born again' brigade who claim a direct line to the Holy Spirit

and Joan of Arc or Bernadette Soubirous Born-agains were they?

9 March 2012 at 20:13  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Dreadnaught

As I said, personal revelations which the Church leaves to individual discretion. The most the Church pronounces is that they are worthy of attention. Same with Fatima. These Saints carry no authority to interpret scripture according to their own insights.

9 March 2012 at 20:26  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Fearbowt blurted, inanely;

"you are an empty drum in love with yourself and your own hollowness."

Dear Cretin

Ernst views this blog like a great kitchen of renown.

His Grace - Chef de cuisine.

Ernst, a humble Sous-Chef de Cuisine

Fear-nowt assumes he is chef de plonge? Le garçon garbage! Yet it appears you create more garbage than you clear away. Your commenting shows the dire combination of, a lack of intellectual nutrition and a surplus of moronic vagueness. Deadly!

Sadly my boy, we must now let you go, it appears even this lowly task is beyond your meagre talents.

Apologies that it didn't work out for you but we are sure there is a shelf somewhere in a supermarket in a quiet village, awaiting a tin stacker/resident idiot on the cheap.

You appear to be the non religious equivalent of A Man For All Seasons, An Idiot for All Seasons!

Au Revoir, mon petit cretin et ne vous précipitez pas en arrière

Watch your 'derriere' on the way out, it has a habit of surprise-slapping unobservant imbeciles!

Allez, vite!

Ernst

Ps

*Boom Boom Boom Boom*.

9 March 2012 at 20:59  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Dodo @ 14.36, good luck with the diversity training.

This communicant recalls diversity training in an American corporation that included being asked to complete a questionnaire: 'An employee's father has undergone a sex change. Your employee asks your advice, give your answer a) b) c) d).' There was more, much more of the same, plumbing the depths of depravity.

Confronting stuff and highly improbable, apart from which it's really a private matter. Of course, the point of the question is to find out how obsequiously PC and morally relative you are. The powers that be are not interested on whether your advice would assist the unfortunate employee. It's an exercise in placing you on a morally bankrupt scattergraph.

Give them Hell.

9 March 2012 at 21:17  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

bluedog

Thank you for your kind wishes. I'm actually really looking forward to it. I am! Is that weird of me?

Imagine confronting some wet behind the ears, liberal-leftie who wants to spread the gospel of diversity. It'll be like meeting DanJ0, only enjoyable. Maybe I'll be expelled for disruptive behaviour. Wonder if we'll be set homework.

9 March 2012 at 22:09  
Blogger David Ould said...

Osama ben Laden was gay.

9 March 2012 at 22:37  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

Points for trying Mr DoDo.

9 March 2012 at 22:45  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

David: Osama ben Laden may have been homosexual but never gay. Did he ever smile or show joy?

9 March 2012 at 22:47  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Dreadnaught, one does one's best, one does one's best ;o)

9 March 2012 at 22:58  
Blogger Dreadnaught said...

You are an empty drum in love with yourself and your own hollowness:-

E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...
Fearbowt blurted, inanely;

"you are an empty drum in love with yourself and your own hollowness."

Dear Cretin

Ernst views this blog like a great kitchen of renown.

His Grace - Chef de cuisine.

Ernst, a humble Sous-Chef de Cuisine

Fear-nowt assumes he is chef de plonge? Le garçon garbage! Yet it appears you create more garbage than you clear away. Your commenting shows the dire combination of, a lack of intellectual nutrition and a surplus of moronic vagueness. Deadly!

Sadly my boy, we must now let you go, it appears even this lowly task is beyond your meagre talents.

Apologies that it didn't work out for you but we are sure there is a shelf somewhere in a supermarket in a quiet village, awaiting a tin stacker/resident idiot on the cheap.

You appear to be the non religious equivalent of A Man For All Seasons, An Idiot for All Seasons!

Au Revoir, mon petit cretin et ne vous précipitez pas en arrière

Watch your 'derriere' on the way out, it has a habit of surprise-slapping unobservant imbeciles!

Allez, vite!

Ernst

Ps

*Boom Boom Boom Boom*.


QED.

9 March 2012 at 22:59  
Blogger E.xtra S.ensory Blofeld + Tiddles said...

Your Grace

Just managed to get around to your tweet "I hold no brief for UKIP, but including them in this report is ludicrous. C4 should be ashamed. channel4.com/media/c4-news/…"

Not only was it ludicrous but a bloom'n well hacket job on the elderly.
Wonder why nobody dare ask muslims their opinions about what they perceive the non muslim British to really be like to them.

1. Cause a bleed'n riot.
2. Toxic to even contemplate a 'free press' would have the cojones to even consider it. 'The Daily Bigot, The Bigot on Sunday?
3. Statutory Racism, even to suggest such a thing be done!.

And they wonder why the elderly, who appear to comprise the majority of this group of 'dissidents', cannot see why all this diversity has contributed jack all to our nation and culture!

Ernst must be grateful for currys and curry houses (who, by the way, employ no non asians), 24/7 corner shops, Reggae & HipHop,etc but this historical culture is nothing better than the vile leftovers from a colonial past. Its like watching a parasite gradually eating through the host alive and numpties producing surveys suggesting it's actually Probiotic 'friendly' bacteria.

Loved HopenotHate's statement "We are not aligned to any political party and will work with everyone wherever possible." to discover daily mirror and trade union affiliation. Priceless.

They even state "We have brought the BNP to its knees. Please help us finish the job. Together, let’s wave Bye Bye to the BNP."

As their stupid labour government put us in this predicament Ernst will be delighted to try and do his bit to finish off Labour come 2015.

Together, let’s wave Bye Bye to the Labour and TU Cronyism!.

It appears nothing is a two way thing for the non muslim, non gay, non secularists of this nation, is it.

Ernst

9 March 2012 at 23:03  
Blogger Oswin said...

It's a waning gibbous folks, the full-moon was two days ago!

10 March 2012 at 00:20  
Blogger Nowhere man said...

It's just a Saga now!

10 March 2012 at 06:25  
Blogger len said...

His Grace throws in a 'bone'and the dogs of war/religion/ jump on it snarling and drooling at the mouth(well that`s what it seem like to me at least!)

Unless we who profess to be 'Christians' have the heart of Jesus for the lost then perhaps silence would be a better option?.

Jesus never condoned sin but he never condemned it either the reason being Jesus knew that without a 'change of Heart' any lasting change was impossible.

Religion (which cannot change anyone, cannot breathe life into a dead spirit, is only able to 'change' a sinner into a hypocrite.

If we are One Spirit with Christ then we will have His Heart in us for the lost.Which is the reason Jesus told His disciples to do nothing until they received His Spirit at Pentecost.He did this because He didn`t want His disciples trying to preach the Gospel under their own strength....we see the disaster this is on this very blog!.

Of course Jesus was accused by the Pharisees of condoning sin and this accusation will be used against anyone who preaches the Gospel as Jesus (or Paul) did.

The Gospel(The Good News) can become the' bad news 'if it is misrepresented by those who do not understand it.

10 March 2012 at 08:19  
Blogger bluedog said...

Mr Dodo @ 22.09, you will no doubt enjoy yourself immensely.

The course presenter/lecturer/instructor is unlikely to be anything more than a salesman reading from a prepared script. Certainly this individual supervisor or supervising team will lack anything approaching your depth of knowledge.

There will no doubt be the usual 'breakouts' and 'workshops' where teams are formed in order to bond and work collaboratively to solve PC dilemmas. These group therapies always provide an opportunity for a counter-cultural revolution.

Oh, I do feel sorry for the supervisors! Do keep us in touch with their 'progress'.

10 March 2012 at 08:41  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

bluedog: if I'm not exhausted from laughting, a daily report on my reformation will follow.

Now can one still ask for black coffee, or is it coffee without milk?

'Dodo does Diversity'

10 March 2012 at 09:02  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len, have you read Jesus' statements about the eternal consequences of sin? Tell me, do you believe in everlasting Hell fire?

Maybe you should spend a little more time reading and reflecting on His Parables instead of trying to grasp the complexities of Paul's epistles. Are you familiar with the Sermon on the Mount? With the Judgement of the Nations?

Jesus presented a set of positive messages about how we should live - that's the way he taught. He was also was clear about the consequences of not following His Father's intentions for us.

Jesus was no left leaning, 'do as you please, it'll be alright on the night' liberal. He was the Son of God with all that that means.

And religion i.e His Church, that you constantly condemn, is no more and no less than than the preservation, comprehension and spreading of the messsage of Christ. Rememeber too the Holy Spirit works as He Wills, not as you determine with your own particular version of individualised 'religion'.

You sell the message in the media tht Jesus loves us all and He would not condemn homosexual marriage, because He loves all sinners. It's just that kind of 'preaching' that causes such moral confusion.

"God made me like this. He loves me. He wants me to be happy and fulfilled. He doesn't condemn me, why should any man? I'm at liberty to live my life according to my own conscience and understanding of scripture. No Church can tell me otherwise. Who has the right to say I'm a sinner?"

10 March 2012 at 09:34  
Blogger len said...

Dodo

I see you still 'don`t get it' the Gospel I mean.

10 March 2012 at 10:30  
Blogger len said...

Dodo,Jesus was called a 'friend of sinners', he was accused of being worldly, a drunkard,keeping company with prostitutes and tax collectors. Yet he was never influenced by the world, he always influenced others for God. Who gave Jesus the title 'Friend of Sinners’? Apparently, his enemies did, and Jesus repeated it, to indicate their view of him. (Matthew 11: 16-19.). The parable of the prodigal son (or more correctly the parable of the lost son) presents the loving father as a symbol of God himself. His unconditional and faithful love and mercy are manifested not only towards the repentant sinner (younger son) but also toward the uncomprehending older brother. The older brother's criticism and lack of understanding represent those who cannot comprehend the mercy of God, particularly the Scribes and Pharisees who often criticise the attitudes of Jesus towards sinners.

10 March 2012 at 11:03  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len

I think it's you. I'm not perfect, agreed. However, you fail to grasp the full meaning of the teachings of Jesus.

The Gospel of Matthew is (mis)used frequently, "Judge not, that you not be judged." A closer look at this Bible verse and other verses, uncovers a different understanding of Jesus’ teaching.

Judge not, that you be not judged.

Let's break Mathew 7:1-5 down and see just what Jesus was actually saying.

He was not telling his disciples that they could not ever judge the behavior of others. Rather, he was cautioning them to live righteous lives themselves so that their judgment of others’ behaviour would not be rash and their efforts would be effective in admonishing their neighbours.

"Judge not, that you be not judged." By itself, this statement could be construed to mean that one may escape even God’s judgment simply by not judging the behavior of others.

Everyone is judged by God, so this cannot be a proper understanding. Jesus goes on to reformulate his statement in a positive way:

"With the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get." Jesus indeed expects his disciples to judge but he warns that they, too, will be judged in a like manner. God will treat us as we treat others. This is an appeal to each of us to be as much as we can like God in the way that we treat others.

In the next two lines Jesus cautions against hypocrisy: "Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye?" Judging hypocritically is not effective. A petty thief admonished by a bank robber only scoffs at his admonisher.

Jesus then explains how to judge rightly: "First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."

There can be no doubt that those final words — "take the speck out of your brother’s eye" —are, indeed, permission to judge so long as it is done rightly.

Other Bible passages which indicate a condemnation of judging others’ behaviour may be treated similarly. The idea of rightly judging the behavior of others can be found throughout the New Testament.

Jesus told the Jews, "Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment" (John 7:24).

He instructed his disciples what to do if someone sins against them:
"Go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector." (Matt. 18:15-17)

It is not possible to follow Jesus’ instructions without being "judgmental" of another’s behavior.

10 March 2012 at 11:05  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Tell me, len, if your son was a homosexual how would you approach this?

I recall you saying you would still love him. Of course you would, you're his Dad. But how would you deal with his life style chioce? What does love mean?

If he wanted to spend the night in your house with his partner, would you permit them to share a bed together? If he invited you to his civil partnership ceremony, would you give this relationship your blessing and attend? If he wanted to adopt a child would you provide a supportive reference?

Just what does your Gospel demand of you in these real life situations?

10 March 2012 at 11:17  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. The Inspector extends his best wishes on your week of indoctrination. He himself has had a similar experience of a few hours with an on line training program. Hope you don’t end up in a gulag over it. Be patient with your ‘guards’, they are only doing what their PC gods demand...

10 March 2012 at 13:11  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Inspector, thank you.

This blog site has equipped me for my comning trial. What better preparation than weasel, his trainee and associated cronies?

I'm looking forward to exploring my prejudices and stereotypes. What fun awaits! Just hope the food is acceptable and that the austerity measures don't mean finger buffets.

10 March 2012 at 13:41  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Dodo, you could always take your many disguises with you from here and use a different one each day. At the end, you could reveal yourself to your colleagues and amaze them with your low cunning. Hope this helps.

10 March 2012 at 14:07  
Blogger len said...

Dodo what would I do ?(11:17)

Exactly what Jesus would do in the situation...I would hope.

Would Jesus condemn him?.
Here is a little parable(borrowed from the 'net'.

The Pit... A homosexual fell into a pit and couldn't get himself out. A pharasaic fundamentalist came along and said, "You deserve your pit." A psychologist came along and said, "Accept your pit. That way you'll be happy." An apostate liberal came along and said, "Your pit is God's beautiful gift to you." A gay activist came along and said, "Fight for your right to stay in your pit." A researcher came along and said, "Discrimination against pits is illegal." A charismatic came along and said, "Just confess that you're not in that pit." Respectable people came along and said, "We don't associate with pit-dwellers." His mother came along and said, "It's your father's fault you're in that pit." His father came along and said, "It's your mother's fault you're in that pit." His wife came along and said, "It's all my fault you're in that pit." But Jesus, seeing the man, loved him, and reaching into the pit, put his arms around the man and pulled him out.

10 March 2012 at 14:23  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

What a good idea, DanJ0, I might just do that.

10 March 2012 at 14:24  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len, I asked you what you would do; not your attitude towards him or whether you would condemn him!

Would you let him spend the night in your house in the same bed with his partner? Would you bless his relationship? Would you support him adopting a child?

Come on ...! Seeing your son in the pit, and loving him, what would you actually say and do?

10 March 2012 at 14:31  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Or is that you'd stand at the side of the pit 'hoping' your son is 'born again' and freed from sin? That's it, isn't it? You'd say and do nothing.

10 March 2012 at 14:36  
Blogger Nowhere man said...

Dodo.

Re: Your forthcoming week long indoctrination.

Go as a homosexual on sexuality day, a woman on sexism day, black up on race day, dress as a Muslim on religious hatred day (they may make you guest speaker) and a "Liberal" on Political Correctness day.

Titter ye not - It should be a breeze.

Don't, however go as a white, Christian, heterosexual, Conservative male on any day.

PS When they ask you to set out your dietary requirements tell them you do not eat vegetarian (you are on Atkins) or halal food (religious and animal welfare concerns).

That usually puts them in a spin

10 March 2012 at 15:17  
Blogger Nowhere man said...

PPS If they don't accede to your dietary requirements - I had that happen once - you are justified in going elsewhere for lunch. There is sure to a be a pub nearby that does a nice pork pie and a pint. If you are lucky and are near Shoreditch, they may even have a stripper on..

10 March 2012 at 15:20  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Nowhere Man. ‘Shoreditch’ !!

But Dodo didn’t mention he was going to London !

An answer, Sir, now if you please....

10 March 2012 at 15:44  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Nowhere man, I do hope I'm (we're) not talking to myself (ourselves) here.

Shoreditch! Now that takes me back. I was a student at Sussex University many moons ago - the year Brighton and Hove Albion were promoted to then First Division. Even then Brighton was a den of iniquity but strip clubs? One just had to go along to the nudist beech. Then again, this was filled with leecherous old men with an eye on young lithe, good looking male students such as me.

So far as my diversity training goes, I could of course claim to be a transsexual, (how could they tell?) having once been a women with seven children. A convert from Islam to Judaism and thence Christianity, who is now considering Hinduism or Budhism.

The dietary suggestion is a good one. Given my Jewish - Irish ancestry, boiled bacon and cabbage would do, provided the boiled bacon was held. The meat would most definitely have to Kosher; certainly not Halal.

The course will be covering:

Age Equality
Bullying and Harassment
Cultural Awareness
Disability Awareness
Equality and Diversity
Faith, Religion and Belief
Gender Equality
Mental Health Awareness
Racial Equality
Sexual Equality
The Equality Act

Indoctination methods include:

Input, guidance and facilitation by the trainer;
Group discussion and debate; and
Individual and group exercises.

Maximum participation and involvement of all parttoicipants is "encouraged".

The aim of the training is to leave people "feeling more aware and inspired" to make a real difference to our organisation.

I just know I'll come away a reformed, tolerant and more rounded person ready to meet the challenges of our diverse, multi-cultural society.

10 March 2012 at 15:51  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Oooops Shoreditch! I misread Shoreham!

No, I'll be staying in sunny Edinburgh for the week.

10 March 2012 at 15:54  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Inspector

"We can't go on together with suspicious minds"!

10 March 2012 at 15:55  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. The Inspector detects insidious goings on !! Your security may be compromised; after all, we know little about Nowhere Man.

For your safety, have telexed Scotland Yard and MI5. Have advised both to carry revolvers with them, national security at stake here, old bird.

It’s only a matter of time before he’s in the Tower, awaiting questioning...

10 March 2012 at 16:01  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

I say, Inspector, it's all getting a bit lively down below. Trainee weasel has got himself into a right corner and just cannot bring himself to acknowledge he's at fault.

Better than an episode of 'Dad's Army'.

10 March 2012 at 16:16  
Blogger DP111 said...

Mr Straw questions if the leaders of British Islam are practising these essential teachings of Mohammed.

Oh but they are. Jihad is mandated. Sowing confusion in the ranks of the enemy, disrupting the economic life of the Infidel country, bankrupting the treasury via Benefit dependency, all are mandated.

10 March 2012 at 17:06  
Blogger DanJ0 said...

Dodo: "No, I'll be staying in sunny Edinburgh for the week."

Lol. I'm staying there too, as far as I know. How spooky. Check out the actors in the role play, if they do one. One might be me.

10 March 2012 at 17:45  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

DP111 said...
Mr Straw questions if the leaders of British Islam are practising these essential teachings of Mohammed.

Oh but they are. Jihad is mandated. Sowing confusion in the ranks of the enemy, disrupting the economic life of the Infidel country, bankrupting the treasury via Benefit dependency, all are mandated.

10 March 2012 17:06

True, and since when did the likes of Jack Straw become an expert on Islamic theology?

However to my real point.

As you may or may not also know the above, and a whole lot worse, is also clearly mandated within the sworn in blood doctrines of The Society of Jesus, also known as The Military wing of The RCC, or The Jesuit Orders.

10 March 2012 at 18:06  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Atlas. As soon as you start to show that you’re a danger to yourself or other people, we are going to have you sectioned under the Mental Health Act. So do be aware...

10 March 2012 at 18:30  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Dodo;
Your exposition on Judgement was excellent. Bravo. So many evangelicals become softy wets by not challenging those who need to be challenged. If you don't, you do not love them, as you deny the person the chance to change.

I am so pleased to see that your course will include Bullying and Harassment. Maybe we will see a reformed bird!

10 March 2012 at 18:48  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Dodo wrote;
to make a real difference to our organisation.

Surely you must have meant Colony!
Or are you the sole surviving bird?

10 March 2012 at 18:54  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

DanJ0, Aaaaarrrggggg .....
You're a diversity trainer are you?

Mr Integrity, we've all got our weaknesses and I really doubt being subjected to 5 days of diversity indoctination will help my manners. Do you?

10 March 2012 at 19:03  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Atlas, you'll keep 'The Company' out of this - if you know what's good for you.

10 March 2012 at 19:07  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

Office of Inspector General said...
Atlas. As soon as you start to show that you’re a danger to yourself or other people, we are going to have you sectioned under the Mental Health Act. So do be aware...

10 March 2012 18:30

Therefore showing that some people cannot change their long standing MO, or handle the truth however WELL DOCUMENTED it may be.

Threaten me all you wish for it will not stop me telling the truth as I Know it to be.

You could of course try performing your own research into the profoundly nasty history, and teachings of TSofJ at your leisure, but I know in your case in particular, this is simply asking far too much.

Far more easy to resort to personal abuse and THREATS, but why should your lot change such a well established method at this late stage? Violence and the threat thereof has after all served The RCC well for almost 2 thousand years, and swelled its numbers by at least a few billion.

The Islamic world has learn well from its sibling organization, perhaps you should kiss and make up. For there is undoubtedly far more that unites, then divides you.

10 March 2012 at 19:08  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Sole survivor Integrity". That's why I have to have 'imaginary friends'.

10 March 2012 at 19:09  
Blogger Oswin said...

DanJo ~ 14:07: is he 'at it' again do you think? I'm rather slow on the uptake, so I will rely on you to keep me informed as to Dodo's many pseudonyms. Ta.

10 March 2012 at 19:09  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Atlas, now you're sounding like len. You're going way too far for your own good, old son!

10 March 2012 at 19:11  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

I can't keep up either Oswin and look to a reply to your query.

10 March 2012 at 19:17  
Blogger Oswin said...

Atlas Shrugged: rest easy, for when the time comes we can hurtle Dodo et al, over the besieged walls of some Godforsaken Islamic ghetto. Ah, don't you just love the smell of a mangonel in the morning! (for 'trebuchet' fans, it just didn't scan; nothing personal)

10 March 2012 at 19:21  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Atlas. None of your conspiracy theories are mainstream, that is, having been discussed on some forum or through some media. Are we supposed to take everything you post as gospel ? Agreed, the Society of Jesus attracts committed RCs to their ranks, but it’s hardly the RCC’s equivalent of the KGB or CIA. It’s a religious order, with it’s own prior general, and not part of the parochial church.

How about giving the Inspector just one lead to back up your accusations per topic. Until you do, he will consider you the equivalent of a man balancing on two legs of a chair, barely stable and well lost in his own thoughts...

10 March 2012 at 19:44  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Both overtaken by gunpowder Osin and some of us are versed in modern weaponry.

10 March 2012 at 20:05  
Blogger len said...

Dodo so...you were in Brighton.Small World .Although I live hundreds of miles from there now.

What identity will you be using on your course?. I wouldn`t advise going as the overstuffed bird!.Perhaps you could go wearing a cloak and hat and acting somewhat like Van Helsing?.
(guffaw)

10 March 2012 at 20:32  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len
I was rather hoping for an answer to my earlier questions about how a Christian should behave, with love, when faced with moral evil.

10 March 2012 at 20:42  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Just to help you out a bit len, the Catholic would jump in the pit, safe in the Hands of God, and attempt to help the person see his world as it really is and offer assistance to the person in climbing out.

That's what the early missionaries did and continue to do to this day. They have hope but turn this into action and words. Christians are the arms of Jesus. Salvation requires cooperation with the Holy Spirit and many people, especially those in the grip of vice, need to be prepared to receive and respond to Grace.

10 March 2012 at 20:59  
Blogger len said...

Dodo Is your way working?.

10 March 2012 at 21:03  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

What's your way len?

10 March 2012 at 21:08  
Blogger len said...

Dodo ,There is a vast difference between someone being convicted of their sin and need for a Saviour and condemning someone because they are a sinner.
To my knowledge, Jesus is never recorded in the Gospels as rebuking or condemning any sinner. He rebuked and found fault with the "Righteous" hypocrites, because they put themselves under judgement(Matthew 7:2)

It is the Holy Spirit working in ones life which convicts one of sin. Oswald Chambers: "Conviction of sin is one of the rarest things that ever strikes a man. It is the threshold of an understanding of God. Jesus Christ said that when the Holy Spirit came He would convict of sin, and when the Holy Spirit rouses the conscience and brings him into the presence of God, it is not his relationship with men that bothers him, but his relationship with God.

10 March 2012 at 21:26  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len

Who is talking about condeming or convicting?

So, from you're answer, can I take it you'll stand around doing nothing?

You'll agree with your son's lifestyle and permit him to sleep with his homosexual partner in your home, bless his union and support him adopting a child?

Go read my post @ 11.05 and consider what Jesus actually meant in Mathew 7:1-5.

He said to the Jews, "Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment"
(John 7:24).

He also instructed his disciples what to do if someone sins against them:
"Go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every word may be confirmed by the evidence of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector."
(Matt. 18:15-17)

But you? You will stand by and do nothing?

10 March 2012 at 21:41  
Blogger Atlas Shrugged said...

Agreed, the Society of Jesus attracts committed RCs to their ranks, but it’s hardly the RCC’s equivalent of the KGB or CIA.

Oh yes it is, indeed all of the heads of The CIA have been members of Jesuit Orders to my knowledge, most certainly the majority of them.

As for pointing people in the right direction to find evidence for my assertions, I believe I have done several times already, but feel uncomfortable doing so again.

As none are so blind as those who refuse to see, there is little point in doing so again.

The evidence is extremely easy to find, but one has to choose to look for it, all by ones little old self.

I was rather hoping that he would try to find evidence to prove me wrong, and by doing so would soon find that I am undoubtedly right.

Which is how enlightenment is best found.

Rather like finding your way home when lost, instead of using a sat/nav.

10 March 2012 at 22:21  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Atlas, best not leave your house unless unavoidable. You never know what’s out there...

Len. Your knowledge weak then. Jesus and the prostitute....

10 March 2012 at 22:29  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Atlas, your challenge accepted, although your lack of proof suggests the Inspector is on a fools errand. Will analyse anti Jesuit sentiment during next week. See if there is anything behind it other than bigotry...

10 March 2012 at 22:35  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Atlas

No one can prove a negative! The responsibility rests with you to offer proof.

10 March 2012 at 22:45  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Anyway, after all that, can we agree that Christian Churches should unite and resist this attempt by the government to redefine marriage?

Write to your MP and let him/her know your views. Aggitate in your parish and get your priest and fellow communicants to stand firm on the Gospel.

Did you hear the audience applaud Will Young on QT when he said the Catholic Church's letter to be read at Mass tomorrow was a "hate crime"? Makes you wonder what the nation has come to, doesn't it?

10 March 2012 at 22:53  
Blogger Mr Integrity said...

Your Grace,
Has anyone mentioned that they can sign the C4M 'Campaign for Marriage' petition. After only 2 weeks it has over 127,000 signatures. Visit
http://c4m.org.uk/

10 March 2012 at 23:04  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo, Will Young is a homosexual, and truth be known, a nobody of any consequence, but the damage he can do to society is indeed great....

10 March 2012 at 23:05  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Inspector
How come so many of our young people seemto be giving into homosexual tendencies?

I recall research suggesting that bi-sexuality is not uncommon early in sexual development and, depending cultural acceptabilty, people give into or resist homosexuality.

That's why we have to resist the normalisation of practices that harm the common good and lead others into perverse behaviour.

10 March 2012 at 23:28  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Dodo. The Inspector agrees that bi-sexuality can be a feature of adolescence. Let us not forget that brain development continues until the age of 20, and hormones are powerful triggers.

Lately, the Inspector has noticed that the young are now using the word ‘gay’ to mean stupid. God bless the young and their fresh approach to life. No doubt they’ve horrified the PC people with their belittling of that sacred word. Being young, they have no idea of the hurt and anguish they are causing the gay community, but hey that’s life, as DanJ0 might say....

10 March 2012 at 23:56  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo@ 20:05: having witnessed your military drill instructions on another topic, I wouldn't issue you with anything more advanced than a knicker-elastic catapult.

11 March 2012 at 00:21  
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11 March 2012 at 00:21  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Oswin

I'm happy to leave military strategy and tactics to the good Inspector. I claim no special expertise in this area.

11 March 2012 at 00:32  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Inspector
Let's be clear. DanJ0 is a homosexual male and should be addressed as such. Whether he's happy or stupid is neither here nor there. Do I have to resurrect the 'Gay Fish' once again?

I notice even our good host recently described a wish to be a "straight gay". I doubt he meant homosexual and he certainly wouldn't want to have the adjective stupid assigned to him.

11 March 2012 at 00:34  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

Dodo what is a straight gay? Bisexual? I think the term 'gay' used by the young does not mean stupid. It is is derogatory and discriminatory in its use. There is still a lot of dislike of gays in the wider community. It is not politically correct so most people do not express their opinions publically

I do not support discrimination and hatred against homosexuals.They are some of the most charitable talented and cerebrally stimulating people I know.

However, getting married, adopting children,playing at Mums and Dads is not going to succeesd in solving this problem, it will only exacerbate it.

None of the homosexuals I know would be slightly tempted to join in any of these very ordinary pursuits anyway. Obviously a new breed of homosexual has arisen wearing amorality and spite as its logo...
(boring too!)

11 March 2012 at 02:33  
Blogger Nowhere man said...

Ah, the mangonel. That takes me back Oswin.

http://bit.ly/y2RjME

Plus ca change on the Islamic front..But I prefer the A-10 Warthog nowadays.

Well done Inspector, and Dodo, my personal hero. Keep up the good work chaps.

And who is Atlas? - I thought Ian Paisley had retired to a rest home for deluded gentlefolk somewhere - is he getting Internet lessons?

Surely not..

11 March 2012 at 07:01  
Blogger len said...

Dodo, and your other 'friends'.

Do you know what the Gospel is?

Do you know what God`s ultimate purpose is?.

I suggest you do more harm to the Gospel than you can possibly realise in fact all you do(and your friends are doing) is alienating people against the Gospel and against Christians in general.

11 March 2012 at 08:10  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len

It was a simple series of questions.

If your son was homosexual what would you say and do? Accepting you love him as his father how would you respond should:

He want to spend the night with his partner in your home?

He wanted you to bless his homosexual relationship by attending a civil partnership ceremony?

He wanted you to act as a reference in support of his intention to adopt a child?

They are not trick questions. What does the Gospel demand in these situations and what do these words of Jesus mean: "Go now and leave your life of sin."

11 March 2012 at 10:42  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Cressida

Good morning. Hope you haven't been encouraging too many of your Catholic friends to seek annulments!

I'm a straight gay man! The word "gay" means simply having or showing a merry, lively mood, as in gay spirits or in gay music. We've covered this before, remember when I was a gay fish?

And neither do I support discrimination nor hatred against homosexuals or any other group. Like all of us they have their talents as people and some are good and some are not so good. We're all human doing the best we can.

The issue is whether a small and noisey minority in their midst should be able to significantly change the values of British society? Should a Conservative government, desperate to modernise its image, be allowed to jump on this band wagon and damage the institution of marriage?

And I fully agree with you when you say:

"Obviously a new breed of homosexual has arisen wearing amorality and spite as its logo...
(boring too!)"


A few of them post on this blog!

11 March 2012 at 10:52  
Blogger Office of Inspector General said...

Nowhere Man. You ask who is Atlas. Best demonstrated by the following...

Atlas, dear chap, some startling news for you, so come close as the Inspector is only going to whisper it to you just once...

Have found out that ‘Global Warming’ is a papist plot, no less. Fully endorsed by the RCC, and from right at the top, don’t you know. Will come as no surprise to you that the Jesuits are ultimately to blame. Plan is to reduce European economic activity to below zero, then hand the entire continent to Islam. Keep it under your hat for now, but you will have to go public eventually, probably five minutes after reading this.

11 March 2012 at 12:21  
Blogger len said...

Dodo ,

I have answered your question on another thread.

Your condemnation of' your son' would probably lose him forever to you and to the Gospel.

Please answer my questions.(this will reveal the Heart of the Gospel)(08:10)

11 March 2012 at 13:43  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len
Do you actually know the difference between condemnation and collusion?

11 March 2012 at 14:13  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

You haven't answered my questions.

Let's try again:

If your son was homosexual what would you say and do? Accepting you love him as his father, how would you respond should:

He want to spend the night with his partner in your home?

He wanted you to bless his homosexual relationship by attending a civil partnership ceremony?

He wanted you to act as a reference in support of his intention to adopt a child?

Interestingly, you are implying one has to respond in the affirmative to the above so as not to risk losing him.

How will he ever "come to his senses" if you approve of his behaviour? If the Prodigal's Son father sent him more money would this have been helpful?

What your doing is affirming a lifestyle that contradicts the Gospel.

"You shall love the Lord your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind. This is the greatest and the first commandment."

How is your collusion and acceptance of sin, loving God?

"And the second is like to this: You shall love your neighbour as yourself."

It's not really loving your son either, is it?

11 March 2012 at 14:25  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

For an Extinct Bird

When I was reading Isbel Allende's memoir over the weekend a certain passage about Catholicism in Chile
provided an explanation of why some Catholics can function normally in a society.

"We have been fortunate in that Chile unlike other countries in Latin America, the Catholic Church has always been on the side of the poor, which has gained it enormous respect and sympathy.

Churches are filled on Sundays and the Pope is venerated, although no one pays any attention to his views on contraceptives because it's thought that there's no way an aged celibate who does not have to work for a living can be an expert on the subject."

I think this quote explains a lot. The Catholic Church is synonymous with having a social concience in helping the underdog. Catholics
however don't take a lot of the religion seriously (and who could blame them)and are probably ignorant of a lot of the rules, which is a good thing for them.

I'm not enlightening any Catholics friends about them either. Where ignorance is bliss,let sleeping dogs lie etc

I think you have a lot more information about your religion than most Catholics, Dodo.Chilean Catholicism seems more tolerable than your Northern Ireland Catholicism.I think it must vary from country to country. I can imagine French Catholicism being far more flexible as well.

11 March 2012 at 21:28  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Cressida

I would rely too heavily on Allende's analysis of Catholicism in Chile.

The Catholic Church has always had a focus on the poor and this has been particularly so in South America. Indeed 'Liberation Theology' started there and went too far.

There are, as in other faith groups, 'cultural' Catholics. However, to be in communion with the Church one would have to abide by the Church's teachings on such things as contraception, abortion and divorce.

And I'm not quite extinct yet!

11 March 2012 at 23:38  
Blogger Cressida de Nova said...

There is a subconscious psychological reason why you call yourself Dodo. It is either because you think of yourself as an extinct bird( suggesting pre historic thinking ,out of sync with reasonable modern thought) or a cute white plump goose:)
The former seems more appropriate.

Why doesn't it bother you that thousands of cultural church going Catholics are not really in communion with the Church.In poor countries,they need the Church for the material benefits and to be fair, the comfort it offers as well.. Can't you understand that normal human beings with little money and means cannot afford to feed children?Are you really so cruel? I think THIS is going too far.
Have you ever been to developing countries and seen emaciated starving children on the streets?

I do not blame Catholics for not accepting this..(they cant all be crazy)and I bet that any reasonable God will never punish them for it either

Now I have to go and look up ' Liberation Theology'

12 March 2012 at 01:02  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Cressida

Don't be cross with me, the Church or with God. As as you say, God's love and mercy is infinite.

Oh dear, I fear I've directed you to a socialist/revolutionary inclined theology with Marxist elements! Best avoided.

Pope Benedict XVI has said that “love for widows and orphans, prisoners, and the sick and needy of every kind, is as essential as the ministry of the sacraments and preaching of the Gospel”.
Known as the 'preferential option for the poor and vulnerable' it includes all who are marginalized in society, including unborn children, persons with disabilities, the elderly and terminally ill, and victims of injustice and oppression.

A far better theology and not based on social revolution. Pope John Paul II's encyclical Centesimus Annus (1991) elaborates on the principle and is agood read.

12 March 2012 at 01:19  
Blogger len said...

Dodo,
You accuse me of Collusion with sinners?.

Well Jesus was accused of exactly the same thing by the Pharisees. what does that tell you?.

12 March 2012 at 23:56  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

That you cannot discern right from wrong and, in your pride, think you are as good as Jesus!

13 March 2012 at 00:55  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len

What response would Jesus make in the following exchange?

Jesus declared: "Go now and leave your life of sin."

The prostitute replied: "Surely Lord, it is my body and I can use it how I choose?

13 March 2012 at 13:16  
Blogger len said...

Dodo how many more 'rhetorical attempts' are you going to make.........yawn.
I have answered your question now please answer one of mine.

How many Pharisees did Jesus convert?

15 March 2012 at 20:57  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

But you refuse to answer and continue to avoid commenting on the moral issues of our time.

And you'd know the answer to your question about the Pharisees, would you? What arrogance!

15 March 2012 at 23:22  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Len: out of interest, what do you actually know about the Pharisees? I mean really know? Did you know they were opposed to the priestly caste and believed in prophetic interpretations?

You really should educate yourself!

The Pharasees were not all hypocritical and arrogant, placing the letter of the law above its spirit. What do you think of Nicodemus and Joseph of Arimathea? Or of Gamaliel?

And you do know, don't you, that much of Jesus' teaching, for example the Sermon on the Mount, is consistent with that of the Pharisees?

Ignorance is bliss, eh len?

15 March 2012 at 23:38  
Blogger len said...

Dodo.

The Pharisees well knew the Prophesies regarding Christ and must have known who He was!.

But they hated Him because he undermined their teachings and their authority and the hold they had over the masses.

Ring any bells?

16 March 2012 at 19:01  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

len said ...
"The Pharisees well knew the Prophesies regarding Christ and must have known who He was!"

Don't be so riduculous man! The disciples and Apostles didn't recognise Him and had to have the truth revealed. Have you not read your Bible? You seriously think they deliberately and wilfully killed the promised Messiah?

Hiding away down here?

Now you really do not know too much about the Pharisees, be honest. See, to understand the Gospels you really do need a much better understanding of the times.

There were divisions amongst the Pharisees - do you know what about? Same with the Saducees too.

Judaism at the time was full of competing and opposing sects and schools all with their own Rabbis. Does that ring any bells?

And haven't you noticed those Pharisees and scribes in the Gospels who did respond positively to the teachings of Jesus and the Apostles?

17 March 2012 at 00:06  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo : 01:19 ''Don't be cross with me, the Church, or with God'' ???

What a preposterous trinity; what unwitting (?) arrogance!

'Going to hell in a hand-cart' more like; unless God has caught on to Formula One, or NASCAR.

It's barefoot to Mass with you my boy!

18 March 2012 at 00:14  
Blogger The Way of Dodo the Dude said...

Oswin
What do they call the fish that swim about on the bottom of ponds eating up all the waste?

You do so remind me of one. Lingering about at the bottom of threads waiting to make a 'clever' observation.

18 March 2012 at 18:35  
Blogger len said...

Dodo Its the Ducks that 'dump' all the waste in the first place ....................clean up your`e own mess!.

19 March 2012 at 07:52  
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19 March 2012 at 16:41  
Blogger Oswin said...

Dodo @ 18:35 : yes, it's probably a fault of mine, hoovering-up your vile waste; but I suppose someone has to do it. A 'clean pond being a healthy pond' as it were.

If I were you, I'd spare a moment or two for rubbing-up against the occasional tench.

19 March 2012 at 16:45  

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